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Music.

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Welcome to another episode of Muskie Talk Monday on the Team Rhino Outdoors

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Muskie Fishing Podcast. This week I'm going to talk to Jeff Hansen, Madison Muskie Guide Service,

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and we're going to give a little bit of update on what to expect for Southern Wisconsin opener.

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We're just two weeks away, I believe, by the time you hear this podcast,

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from when that's going to be rolling in Southern Wisconsin.

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So we'll go over a little update on that, kind of water temperature thing,

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and maybe what to expect on that.

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That and then we're going to talk wood versus plastic whether it

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be crankbaits jerkbaits or top water baits kind

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of the you know the differences between both when

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you use one versus the other what some have to

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offer versus what others don't have to offer so we kind of

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go down that road a little bit too just to we're just talking gear

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and so that's part of the gear nothing you know super groundbreaking

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we're not talking about the newest and latest baits but

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definitely you know stuff to help you potentially put

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another fish in the net this year and if you're you

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know speaking of the latest and greatest in gear if you're looking

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the coming weeks we're going to talk a little bit about a new bait

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manufacturer so stay tuned that's coming

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soon and there might be a few listeners if you're

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in the muskie academy that's a online

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group with with jeff van remortal from

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wd or wdh guide service

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yeah he's up there in northern wisconsin he's

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got his muskie academy group he's kind of spread the word a little

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bit in that group but outside of that it's still a.

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Little bit hush hush we're still working out a few things on it

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but coming very soon or at least the

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details are coming soon and hopefully about the

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time that everybody's looking for this type of bait they should have

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it in their head be able to get it here at teamrideoutdoors.com but

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i rambled for three minutes time to go dial up my conversation i

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have with jeff hansen my guest

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this week on the podcast is going to be jeff hansen and

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we're going to talk a little bit about kind of what we'd expect for

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spring opener in the southern

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wisconsin zone but we want to talk wood versus

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plastic particularly when it comes to crankbaits and

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jerk baits jeff how are things going today thank you

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for your time oh good good just uh float

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a little windy today but uh yeah nice nice day

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today absolutely and so let's talk

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about this season a little bit you're gonna be running around in a

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new boat huh you're gonna have new recon is that right yeah yeah i got around

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2085 a 20 foot six tiller that's 97 inches wide it's a hell of a tiller in my

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opinion about the best musky tiller that's out right now for sure We're pretty

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excited to get that, supposed to get that on Monday.

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Can't wait to put some up. Yeah, fingers crossed that that works out.

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I mean, I know with all the craziness since, you know, COVID started,

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it seems like nobody's delivering boats on time these days.

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But I hope that everything works out for you. But, you know,

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I'm also hoping that I get a chance to come down. And I know that my buddy Steve

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Jensen, he's up there fishing at Recon. And I mean, they're great boats from everything I can tell.

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They're, you know, they're made here in Wisconsin and they're pretty sweet rides.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very super nice people.

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And been great to work with are you actually going to

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put locators on this boat because it seems like you're one of those guys that's still

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you're not worried about the latest and greatest forward-facing sonar

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type stuff you're pretty much just maybe halfway using side imaging but for

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the most part you just do it by feel it seems like yeah i got one helix 12 in

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the back of the boat and that's all i need i don't have any of the side scan

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or any of that stuff for me i got Yeah, I got side imaging,

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but the only time I really use it is if I'm open water trolling or casting,

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because otherwise there's so many weeds here in Madison, that's all you can see.

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So there's not much use for me using it casting, except for if I'm fishing way open water.

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So you mean to tell me you can catch muskies without $40,000 in electronics in your boat?

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Yeah, that's for sure. I mean, I've been fishing these lakes since I was a kid.

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I mean, if I was going to be fishing new waters, I would maybe think about investing

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it. But I mean, I know these lakes like back of my hand, so there's no sense

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in me dropping the money and stuff like that for me.

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Let's talk a little bit about what we think is going to go on for opener.

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Well, since we're talking lakes and fishing, let's talk about that.

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Yeah, the season, we had such a warm winter, which I hate.

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We had such bad weeds last year and such shallow water.

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When we don't have thick ice, especially with thick ice with lots of snow on

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it, that totally blocks off any sunlight.

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And when we have years with the heavy ice and a lot of snow,

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it kills off all the weeds. They don't get any sunlight during the wintertime and they're gone.

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We start with a clean bottom at the end of the year, but that didn't happen this year.

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There's still weeds from last year and I

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talked to a couple guys today that had been out and said

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that there's good weeds already which is way too early

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for that so there's going to be good weeds for

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opener which normally there's not here we've got

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way above normal temps so the fish have been a little bit further

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along in the spawn than what they did so should be

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a lot more post-spawn muskies than there have been the

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last couple years the last couple years fish are still spawning here and

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opener year and that should not be the case this

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year with how warm water's been but we

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had a lot of low water too we had a couple inches of rain

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the last few days so that should help but the masts and lakes are

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still really really low and you know

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you said you've been fishing these since you were a kid have you seen

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anything like this before and if you if you

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have how do you think it's going to play out yeah i've

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seen years like this in the past typically it's

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there's there's good fishing right off the bat especially the start getting

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some bigger females earlier last year they didn't

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start going good until like the third fourth week in may

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because they hadn't recouped from spawn yet this year they should

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so should be getting some bigger fish earlier than in may than what what we

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normally do but hopefully we just don't get a lot of weather in may and early

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in june because that would suck if we end up with 80 degree water temps and

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in june so So hopefully we get some cool weather ahead and they're at least.

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Yeah. All right. So kind of gives you a preview. Expect, you know,

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lots of weed growth and things to be fairly ahead for the southern opener here in Madison.

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But Jeff, the reason we want to talk was, you know, you've wanted to talk about

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it for a while is wood, wood baits versus plastic baits.

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You know, let's, uh, let's, first off, let's start off with Suex because that's

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one we can compare the two baits right there. Wood, wood versus plastic.

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What do you, I know you, I know you like it. both I particularly prefer the

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weighted wood ones 10 inch in particular you know if you if you could only pick

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one which one are you gonna pick and you know let's maybe talk about why,

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It depends on the time of year, too. You know, early in the spring,

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I really like the weighted sevens. Those put a lot of fish in the boat for me.

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Then pretty much after May, I put hang those up in the garage,

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and I don't use them the rest of the year. June, I'm throwing weighted nines, and then a lot of the nine-inch plastic high-impact.

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Years ago, when Steve Seward first told me, he's like, yeah,

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we're going to start making plastic suics. I'm like, oh, no, why would you do that?

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But one thing with the high-impacts is they are consistent.

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I mean, you buy one, and then you get another one later on. It's going to work the same way.

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Versus wood, you're never going to have that because of the grain in the wood.

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The weight of the wood is all different.

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There's more inconsistencies with the plastic. So you get baits that do the

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same thing when you're buying plastic ones, wood ones. Each one does something different.

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All in all, I probably caught more on wood. And some of my biggest fish have

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been on wood, particularly 10-inch weighted wood suics. I mean,

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I just, that's a standby for me.

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I mean, I've caught so many big fish, untenant weighted suex,

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wood ones since I was a kid. But the plastic ones are good too.

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And if you, you can actually tune some of the plastic ones to do some more erratic

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stuff than you can the wood ones. But I like both.

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I'm in a place for both of them. Well, you said, you talked about the inconsistencies of wood.

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That can also be, that's a negative and a positive, in my opinion.

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And the inconsistency sometimes is like you get that wood bait and this is not

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only with, you know, jerk baits, but crank baits as well.

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And sometimes that wood bait literally just has like what we'll call it, right?

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I mean, it wobbles different, it hangs different, potentially depending upon,

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you know, how many, how often you've used it. Sometimes they suck up some water and, you know, add some extra weight to it.

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Like those are all things that can definitely be a positive to wood baits as well.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've got some 10-inch wood Suics that have the magic.

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I mean, they're just erratic as hell. I mean, I like my Suics not only to have a nice hop to them,

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but be able to kick out side to side, and those are the ones that seem to get the most hits.

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I know you and I have done a couple of Suic videos. You can see how I tune my

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Suic and some of those YouTubes and how I bend them.

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But if I can get them kicking out side to side, I, they definitely outperform

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the ones that are just doing a straight hop.

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And some of the wood ones, you can just get a hop on them. They don't want to

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kick out to the side. Just depends on the graining of the wood, the weight of the wood.

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They're just all, all different. I mean, they're, they're all good,

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but some of them, like you said, are, are it. They have the, they have the magic.

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Then on the converse side, sometimes with the wood though, you also have the one that is not it.

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That is very difficult to tune. Usually I can get, I'm pretty good at suics,

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right? I can get them to tune in, but there are sometimes occasionally with

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those wood ones where you can't quite get it to do exactly what you want it to do.

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That would be the only downside, I would say, to a wood suick.

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Yeah, and that's actually, customers always ask me if they could bring baits

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for me to tune, both crankbaits and suics, and I probably have more people bring

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suics than any other bait combined. It's because people try and over-tune them.

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Some of the bends on some of the tails, some people do it with pliers,

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and it's just absolutely crazy. Some of the suics that I've had people bring,

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I had a guy last year bring 10 of them for me. I just laughed when he opened the box at how he had them, had them bent.

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People just overthink it and just bend them way too much. You don't need to

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do that flight modification with all those suics, get them doing.

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Yeah, for me, I, I just make a, a really slight bend down on the back of the tail.

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And I, I don't bend like side to side at all on the tail.

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You don't do any side to side bending, do you? Like as far as like the little bits on the fins?

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Yeah, I mean, I put my thumb in the center of it and cup it around my thumb

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and then just a slight bend down and you can see that video that we did.

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I guess that's the best way to explain it if you want to see it.

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Yeah, you might have to go back a little ways on, well, I think I have it on

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the page on, you know, I think it's, you know, saved onto the SUIC page.

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But otherwise, if you go to our YouTube channel, you can find it there.

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And the thing about it, though, is it's, you might have to go find it a little

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ways because, Jeff, it's been quite a while since we've done any filming together.

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Hopefully that changes this year. Yeah, the Suic one, believe it or not. That was in 2018.

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Wow. I can't believe it's been that long. Holy cow.

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Well, then, so how long has it been since we had, what was it,

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10 fish that we had that day? Yeah, that was 2018 or 2019. Okay. Man, we're getting old fast.

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Yeah. Yeah, you and I never fished last year. I don't think we've ever fished

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in the last couple of years. Yeah, the year before you came down in October, you got four trolling with me that day,

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but they're smaller than the fall okay oh yeah

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that's right i do remember that yep all right well let's

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let's talk a little bit about crankbaits because you know

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there's obviously differences there too you know

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first off wood crankbaits are getting harder and harder to find you you know

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you're talking like loks and musky trains and boss sheds and supernaturals bn

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customs i'm sure i'm missing somebody and they're going to yell at me but those

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are the ones i can think of you know oh yeah yep Yep. The Leo lures too.

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Yep. See, I knew there was going to be somebody that was going to yell at me for leaving them out.

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It wasn't by design, but you know, what, what is it that you like about,

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you know, wood versus crank or wood versus plastic when it comes to cranks?

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The wood, to me, you can tune them easier.

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You can get them to do more crazy stuff. A lot of the plastic stuff,

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especially if the screw eye is molded into the bait, if you tweak on it too

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much, you'll actually crack the plastic. Like Jake's and Grandma's and some of that, if you really tweak on that screw

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eye, you'll crack them, and then they leak and sink.

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Versus the wood baits, you can really tweak them and get them to do a lot of

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different things. I mean, everybody that knows me know I run a ton of muskie

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trains that are made from cedar. I've got a lot of really big fish on them, and I can get them to do a lot of crazy things too long.

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I mean, some of them I'll tweak so that even on turns, sometimes it'll blow out of the water.

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If I'm turning, sure, if they get going fast because they're so erratic, but that's what I want.

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If they're doing crazy stuff, then the fish are more likely to hit them.

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But I can definitely seem to get more big fish, wood crankbaits than I do on plastic for me.

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You know, I've trolled depth readers in my life probably more than everything else combined.

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I've only ever got 150 on a depth reader in my life. Some people will probably

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disagree with that. They've got a lot of 50s on them, but I just haven't.

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And I haven't been running musky trains as long as I've been running depth readers,

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and I got way, way more 50s on those.

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And it's just i don't know

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they're more natural to the wood baits

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don't really have rattles in them so it might be more natural to

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the fish too to me but i've definitely outproduced

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plastic crankbaits trolling with wood by far i mean like most of the charter

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captains on lake st claire they're all running wood baits you know they're running

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ziggies musky trains blokies leos stuff like that but not running a lot of plastic

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baits and i've spent a lot of time trolling there but But to me,

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the biggest thing is just being able to tune them,

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getting them to walk erratically and do what you want.

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I guess that's, that's the biggest thing for me. I was going to ask you,

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you know, about, about the rattles.

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You said they are, you know, that the plastic, obviously many of them are offered

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rattles and how wood isn't. I was going to ask you, you know, if that, if you thought that had,

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that had a potential impact on the abilities to catch large fish,

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you know, if you're seeing more fish catching, you know, big fish on wood,

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if it was the, the rattles that would do it.

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Yeah to me stuff with rattles

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in it i seem to catch smaller fish on

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it than really really big fish and again i've

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caught way more fish in the 52 to 54 inch range of wood cranks by far than anything

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with with plastic i don't know why i know a lot of guys caught big fish on plastics

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too but just not in my experience and rattles seem to be small smaller fish

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for me definitely I mean, the plastics that I troll have, that they have rattles in them,

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you know, or depth raiders, tough shads, we'll have copfish up to 48 on, on tough shads,

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but they catch bigger fish on the wood cranks, you know, like diesels and MX-6s, 7s,

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9s, particularly in the 9s, got, I mean, 51, 52 inch fish on them.

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I don't know, I just, I'm a huge, huge fan of the wood, wood crank bait.

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Would you say that to your average angler, they would have to tune a wood bait

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more than they would a plastic one? Do you think one runs more true than the other one or not necessarily?

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No, not necessarily. I mean, you run into the plastic crankbaits that need tuning also.

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I mean, the last couple depth readers I got for you, I really had to tune those.

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Same with the musky train stuff. Some of them run great right out of the package.

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Some of them a few of them a

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year off of tune but that's that's fine with me i mean

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a lot of them i actually like i was saying i like almost knocking

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a hair out of tune so they're running good at four

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miles an hour and you want to every single bait you stick in the water when

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you're trolling you set it next to the boat and make sure it's running true

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before you ever stick it out so that way that alone needs line tangles that's

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that's a really really important thing every time that i set one out i check

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it i mean especially after you've caught a fish on one it They could have got

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banged against the side of the boat, but always be checking them.

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But I like the wood ones because, like I said, I knock them out of tune a little

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bit, and they'll run perfectly straight at four miles an hour.

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But once you kick it up to four, two, four, four, or when you're on a turn,

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your outside planer board or your outside rods are going to be going a lot faster,

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and sometimes they'll even have the crankbaits out of tune, so they're blowing

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out of the water. But when you straighten back out, they straighten again.

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So there's fish behind them. When they do that crazy stuff, a lot of times they

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get smoked. I really found that out on Lake St. Clair.

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My buddy that I was working with was like, hey, your baits are blowing out of

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the water. I'm like, no, they're fine. So as you get back again and line again, a fish smokes them.

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So I don't mind if some of them are blowing out of the water when they're going faster on turns.

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That just means that they're doing more erratic stuff.

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Yeah, that's interesting. You know, Jeff, I don't know if you can explain this

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over a podcast, but can you kind of talk about how you tune baits?

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Because I will say, I think in my lifetime, I had like maybe one bait that I

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couldn't get to tune in and maybe, maybe it's a couple more than that,

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but I can think of one that I couldn't get to tune and we played with it and played with it.

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And even Tony Spicker, I had him in the boat from, used to be the owner of Big

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Game Tackle and I had him in the boat and he played with it and we still couldn't

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get it dialed in exactly perfectly, you know, and I think a lot of anglers just, they put their crankbait out there

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and they set it and they expect it to run perfectly every time.

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Are you able to kind of talk a little bit about tuning a crankbait?

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Yeah, the easiest tool to tune with by far is definitely alignment pliers.

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You can really get a hold of the screw right in the front or the wire that's coming out.

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And just the first thing to do is either if it's going to the right,

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bend it to the left. If it's going to the left, bend it to the right.

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And sometimes if that doesn't work, you can take the lines of pliers and just

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twist it either clockwise or counterclockwise, depending what the bait's doing.

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But that's how you get them tuned. If it's going one way, then twist it back the other way.

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But I guess yeah kind of hard to explain over

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a podcast like when I'm guiding people I'm able to explain to

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them visually a lot easier how

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to do it but yeah a lengthened flyer is

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definitely the easiest way to because it gets a hold of the

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whole eye and and really gets it

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versus trying to use like a needle nose

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or splitting pliers or anything like that you just get a

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hold of a lot better with the lengthened pliers and one

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thing I'll add to that Jeff is much like you were talking about when you

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tune the suic tail there's definitely a little

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can go a long ways right so don't you don't

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over crank these things yeah just lucia

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i guess that's a good point the suic tail same with the

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crankbait things people people show

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up for trolling guy trips are like i can't get this to

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work and they got the screw right completely bent over

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that's that's way way too too much just a slight

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slight little bend does a lot especially in the crankbait that you're trolling

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at four four and a half mile an hour just a little little twist or tweak does

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does a lot on it so jeff you talked about having you know people in your boat

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if people are looking to get in touch with you this year to get out and fish

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with you or is that something that you have availability.

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Yeah i got one day left in may two or three left in june a couple in july that fall is pretty wide

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open yet i'm usually booked about two months in advance i'm

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booked solid so i got some stuff left for

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this year yet excellent and what's the

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phone number they got a website what how do you want to go about that it is

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madison musky guide.com that has my email and my phone number on there and then

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it has any question you could possibly ask is is on there and then you can go

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in there and see a lot of the big fish that my customers have caught too i got

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quite a few fish pictures on there what i really want to know is do you have availability for next tuesday to panfish,

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nope i don't i don't do any of that, all right jeff so before we get you out of here we kind of talked about you

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know crank baits we talked about jerk baits but one thing people

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don't always think about would be top water baits

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and i'm talking i mean there's a few maybe

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tail rotating top waters out there these days but less and less i would say

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it's more in that creeper range you know do you find much of a difference between

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you know wood versus plastic when it comes to top water baits yeah definitely

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one of my favorites from years ago was always the hyphen hog buster and those were always made.

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From wood for a lot of years and also hyphen switched them

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over to plastic and i i noticed

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that they didn't have a similar sound and

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the big fish i was catching on them definitely went down and then

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since chuck took over or got the

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hyphen creepers from hyphen he changed

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it back to wood and they are back to

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the way they used to be my daughter caught her biggest muskie of her life

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this year on one that the dog busters are

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on like they used two years ago the sound is just

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totally different with them and just seem to get more

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hits on same with the like walk the dog.

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Style top waters like the one-eyed willy that's

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made from maple is a really really good one

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like versus like a dock made out of plastic i've

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got way way more big fish on one-eyed willies they just

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seem to make a different noise in

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the water i don't know what's more natural to the fish but definitely

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make a lot a lot better noise so if i can get a

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wood top water i would prefer it i mean

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nowadays pop style ones i don't even really know

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of any wood ones of that prop

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style that are even made anymore do you not that i

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can think of i mean you know the more popular ones are

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you know like a lake x fat bastard that's definitely plastic even

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like senate tackle pacemakers those are all plastic you can

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i think maybe get a couple in wood yet but i'm not positive

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so i i don't know many of them and it's

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funny you bring up the you know like the walk the dog style because like

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back when i first started musky fishing like the

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weagle was all the rage and now it's you don't

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even hardly hear about walk the dog top water baits anymore i'm assuming you

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must do really well with them every year right yeah absolutely the the one-eyed

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willie juniors i throw a lot of that's a producer for me but yeah you're right

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i mean i very rarely see guys the water using in them anymore,

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which I don't understand why, but yeah, same thing with the Weagles.

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I mean, that's a good bait too, but I very rarely see guys throwing them.

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The big thing nowadays is pop styles and then flattails.

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I mean, I see a million guys throwing flattails now, whereas you never used to see that here.

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No, definitely. I would say, like you said, the Flaptail has exploded,

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I'd say, especially, I mean, it's got a lot of big fish notoriety.

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That MK65 and the C4 from Bomb Squad, those are probably two of the most popular

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ones out there. So definitely exploding. But like I said, I mean, I remember like just the, the Weagle hysteria and how

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guys were just like, almost like fighting over to try to get a Weagle.

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And now you barely even hear about them and it's crazy. And I always think sometimes

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it's like what's old is new so i feel like the you know those muskies are still

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going to bite that bait and it's just underutilized tool right right yeah i know i talked to.

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Jeff that makes the bomb squad stuff he's was going to be making a smaller tomahawk

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prop which the the big one that's just i mean i don't use a lot of those giant

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giant top waters here i haven't done as well on them and he had told me this

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winter that he'd be making a smaller one and And that'll be wood.

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So I'm pretty, pretty excited for, for that bait. So hopefully that comes out sometime soon.

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Yeah, hopefully. I know he's a busy guy too. He just bought musky bumper.

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So he's still working his way through that too. But yeah, I agree.

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You know, Jeff, I just want to thank you for taking time out of your schedule.

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I, I hope that, you know, people listen and they like the information they got today.

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I also hope they, if they're in a market to come down to the Madison area,

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they give you a call because I mean, I can't vote for you enough.

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We've had some you know we've had some tough days because it

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is muskie fishing but i don't know that we've ever had a day where

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we haven't at least had an opportunity to put the fish in the

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net but we've also had some opportunities to put many many fish in the net and

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i would say more often than not we're putting multiples versus just you know

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just having a little bit of action so it's been i can't vouch for you enough

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jeff i and i thank for you thank you for your time yeah yeah no problem man

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thanks for thanks for having me i want to thank all of our listeners again for

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tuning in for another episode and I will have another episode of the Team Rhino

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Outdoors Muskie Fishing Podcast out again next week Monday so thanks again.

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Music.