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Welcome to another Muskie Gear Monday on the Team Rhino Outdoors Muskie Fishing Podcast.

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This week I'm going to talk to Steve Herbeck. Many of you know him as Herbie.

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We'll call him a legend in muskie fishing because I feel that's exactly what he is.

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His wealth of knowledge has no problems taking a topic and just running with it.

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And this week the topic would be some of the new baits that Herbie's been working on.

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He's been working on the Kraken from Livingston Lures and also the Big Mac,

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which is a new topwater bait from Livingston as well.

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And so we're going to kind of profile that but then you

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know herbie talks about you know some tips on how to work you

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know tube baits because he he does a lot with red october tubes

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as well i mean he's just because he's going to use a crack and

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doesn't mean red october is out the window there's still a time and a place

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for all these different baits and he's also got some unique approaches to fishing

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topwaters and stuff that not many people think about doing so you know check

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With that being said, we're going to jump into the conversation I had this week with Steve Herbeck.

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All right, my guest this week is Herbie, Steve Herbeck. And Herbie,

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you know, I appreciate you taking time to talk to me on this podcast.

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We've had you on the Backlash podcast, I don't even know how many times.

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You're probably one of the more frequent guests that we've had. And we very much thank you for your contributions there, as well as coming out to see us at shows.

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Shows we've been you know we have you at most of the shows this year and it

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was always great to have you around so very much appreciate that but herbie

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let's break the ice a little bit we're talking musky gear on this podcast do

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you remember back to your very first musky that you caught.

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Like yesterday yeah it was me i was up with my old man did my dad big dan and

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a couple of his buddies uh. We always took some musky chips in the fall. I think I was only about 12 at that time.

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We were at Squirrel Lake, you know, had an old 5500 Red Garcia,

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a bull cue rod, and clipped on a black suick and never took it off the whole weekend.

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And all of a sudden, a 44-incher smoked that sucker, came flying out of the water.

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It was the only musky quad of the group. And it was just a comedy back in those days, you know, a lot.

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It wasn't, you know, stress so much, catch and release.

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We're talking, you know, we're talking over 50 years ago now, you know what I mean?

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I don't want to lead on just a whole lot of them, but my dad had one. My dad was a character.

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He had one of these spring-loaded kind of gaffs that you opened up and you stabbed

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the fish and it clapped shut in their gills. And he was stabbing at this fish,

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and the thing wouldn't work.

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And, you know, finally we gilled it, got it in the boat without getting hooked and everything.

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But it was quite the deal. I will never, ever forget it.

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And I still, when things are tough, I still clamp out, you know,

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clip on a 12-inch black wooden suik and go to town with it.

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Because it has saved the day for me, even to this day 50 years ago.

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So then let me ask you, when you caught that first muskie, did you ever think

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that it would lead you to where you are today? No, no. I mean, it lit a fire, you know, it did for sure.

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Once I actually got to working age, I was always trying to get out of work to go fishing.

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I knew I had to do something or I'd be broke. So that's pretty much what kind of made that happen.

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But from that moment on, I love to fish everything.

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But muskies make me shake. One of the few fish that make me shake a big jarpon jump and tarpon you know

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30 feet off the end of the rod it'll do that to me too but and everything's

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fun to catch but muskies really make me shake and that first fish was what indoctrinated

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me into that feeling and i knew who was screwed.

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That's it's kind of that way with a lot of us though i mean you

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know i have people that ask ask me the same thing they're

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like why do you fish for muskies and i'm like because i i never made a

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i never met a bass or caught a bass that made me

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you know that made that did anything to my heart rate you know i've

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never done yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all

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right herbie we're talking gear and you're involved that you

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know with a ton of musky companies i mean a lot of these baits that

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come out you have your hand in them or have played with them

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before they even hit the market but two of

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them that are coming out or that you know one of them's out now it's the

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uh kraken for livingston lures and they also have a

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new top water bait out we're going to talk about that as well and we

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might go down the road of the flipper too because that's you know those

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those three baits are you know newer to to the livingston lineup but let's talk

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a little bit about the crack and i know you had your hand in playing around

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with this i had a chance to touch it last year you know what makes this one

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new and different well you know in the last everybody thinks tubes are really new but But, you know,

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we've been using red October tubes and water wolf tubes for 12, 15 years.

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You know, it's just they've really hit mainstream in the last three or four with a lot of navelers.

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And they catch fish. But, you know, one of the things is that,

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you know, they're not real durable. And so, you know, we came up with a hard-headed tube.

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The most important thing that people, I don't think people realize,

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what makes a bait that looks so phallic, like a tube, so effective,

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is that it's not just its action.

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There's something about the tube being hollow.

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That can't be duplicated very easily with a hard-headed bait because the tube

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being hollow and very flexible, the water flows in and out of it as you're working the bait,

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and it makes really weird vibrations and sounds.

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Swooshing, sucking, different vibrations as the sides of that bait collapse

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and kind of push the water back out through the tentacles, is almost like a

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squid kind of propulsion type of thing,

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as you will, only we're making the propulsion.

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So it's very hard to duplicate that in a hard-headed bait.

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Now, what we did to try and get that same type of deal with the Kraken is that

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it is hollow, and it's able to take in water and expel water as you're working it.

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It doesn't have quite the flex as the tube, but that

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you know it doesn't have near the flexitude because it's hard

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but it does the water does move in and out

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of it another really neat advantage

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of the kraken besides that

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is obviously it has even though it's hollow the ebs chamber the electronic baitfish

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chamber is sealed so that the water in going in and out of the head doesn't

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you know affect the electronics of that that particular piece of machinery inside the bait.

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The hard-headed factor makes it a very good hooker, makes it very durable,

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and the fact that it has screw-in weights

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make it very easy to change

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the buoyancy or how the

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bait actually works from a near type of a vertical type or horizontal type of

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hanging type of presentation to a fast dropping nose first type of presentation or several in between,

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depending upon how heavy a weight or not that you are using in the bait.

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So it gives it some versatility. also the

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weight is a little finer back than most

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of your tubes are weighted most of your tubes are weighted you know there's

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the shallow rigging which spreads out over you know half of the body that gives

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a more of a horizontal and slowly sinking type of action but most of your heads

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are are between shallow, medium, and heavy, deep,

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are way up near the nose, right at the tip of the nose.

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And the drop is what makes the fish bite and why so many fish are caught real deep.

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Because as the fish bait is dropping...

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The fish intercept it head first, and that's why you get a lot of – if you're

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working a bait really fast, like a jerk bait, and it's going more hard than I'm jerking,

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you'll get the slashing strikes and you'll hook them in the corner of the mouth

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or the side of the gill plate, stuff like that. But if you're working a tube pretty much what is the most effective way,

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it's the drop that catches fish. Now, and being a nose first, it drops nose first. Now, on the Kraken,

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the weight is a little bit farther back, right behind the front hook.

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So the drop is a little different. It's more of a gliding drop.

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And I find that very, very effective, not only just working at,

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you know, pretty much how we work tubes or in that fashion,

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but then yet it has a little bit different type of a gliding type of a fall

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rather than a plummeting fall, is that it makes it, for some reason,

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a very deadly throwback bait.

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A lot of the fish that I didn't get it until the end of August.

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The first week I had a 53.5, a 53, and a 52 in the bone on it,

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and we were only throwing one, and two of those three came fourth bait through.

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So that told me that there was something to the bait, right?

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So it's durability is a factor its

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ability to change skirts colors is is a nice factor while using the same head

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and if it doesn't get tore up you're just replacing a skirt not a whole bait

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you know what i'm saying another thing is that coming up with that kraken shortly shortly,

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is going to make it a very, very versatile bait in your box.

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Because besides the skirt tails that are available that come as the Kraken,

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there's going to be a paddle tail and there's going to be a big squirrely tail

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that will just change on the back of that Kraken head.

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So you essentially can have

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either three baits set up differently or according

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to what intel or your bite is the

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fish are showing you you can make changes through the

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course of the day or your trip to what bait the fish

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seem to be preferring and and let's face it when it comes to rubber you know

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that's pretty much most of it is the squirrely tail the paddle tail and the

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tube so So you have the possibilities and availability of any and all.

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So watch for those opportunities.

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Adaptations to be available very soon not

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very long at all you know before fishing season so

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that makes a very very versatile bait and

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the fact that since it's a hard head and you know jeff boggs is making some

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really neat paint jobs you know for for mark with with you know with the with

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the red october twos i think mark is even putting in a paint shop himself because

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there's such a demand for the painted baits.

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Although, really, when it comes to tubes, I use white, black, and brown.

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I got all the painted ones, and I catch just as many fish on the other ones.

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But they are cool to have. And in your mind, you think that it is going to make a difference,

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and that may make your fish better. There may be times, you know, that it does make a difference,

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but I haven't seen it too much. But anyway, that factor of having a pretty bait

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and different colors for different water varieties and depths and stuff and

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times of the season and forage preferences on different lakes is very easily

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attained with that hard head and paint jobs just like all your other harder

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baits that are on the market now.

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There's a lot of pluses to that Kraken.

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It's also a very good hooker because it's got two hooks that are in the

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Well, it's actually got three if you count the one at the back of the skirt

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that you can either leave clean depending upon how you want the bait to glide

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or pop it around with your rod tip at different angles sideways and stuff like that.

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Or you can use it with different blades just like... Actually,

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the blade, the full gunner deal that all baits nowadays...

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Or a lot of baits are adapting and adapting onto the back of their baits.

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And as one of the real, you know, mainstay presentations of tubes actually started

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at my alma mater, Andy Myers Lodge,

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about, it's probably 18, 15, 18 years ago now.

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Now, one of my top guides at that time, Mikey Grant, was going to go over to

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Lakewoods and fish the prestigious Nestor Cup tournament, one of the first or

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second years that it was.

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And he stuck that blade on the back of a tube and won the tournament with it.

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And us at, you know, Andy Myers on Eagle, obviously all jumped right on it right away.

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Way and it kind of kind of kept it to us for a

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few years a little people fishing with us it got around and

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the actual very first tail gunner

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was a spinner with

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a little tiny hook that jack clifton and i did back in 88 on north twin lake

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on the back of our suckers and that was the start of what is now called the

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tail gunner so there's a lot of history there with that tail gunner Then we

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started using it in between the tails of the big joe.

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Then we started using it off the back of bulldogs.

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And then it's just gone on to tubes and other baits. So the tail gunner goes

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quite a ways back, back to the late 80s.

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But going back to that, I ramble. You know me, Jeff.

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But on the Kraken,

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I seem to prefer like a number five willow when I put a spinner on it,

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because it really fits in with the kind of that gliding type of a drop that it has.

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I i've had real good luck with that number five willow on the back of the kraken

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whereas on the tubes i use the willow too but it seemed to do better most of

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the time with a colorado on the back of a tube but i use them all i use them

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all but on the kraken i definitely like the way, it sounds like a really cool versatile bait i got to play around with

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a little bit last fall i shot some underwater video of it and hopefully like

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i said by the time you hear this podcast you can can come to team rhino outdoors.com and

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you can order them from us and then i'll also have that video out

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of the underwater action of it i got some video of it on the drop and things

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like that it's just another versatile tool like you said herbie

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to add to your tackle box i mean it's a long line of versatile tools

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and you know each one has a time and place i'm sure that just

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because you're using a crack and you won't stop using a red october tube i'd

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imagine as well absolutely not absolutely not mark's taking good care of me

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over the years i've caught a lot of big fish and and introduced a lot of big

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fish to people and people to the tube.

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Yeah, there's something about a tube that when the fishing's tough.

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Particularly, that particular, whatever makes that tube do what it does with

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that being soft-sided and the water going in and out, that you just simply, you know,

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can't 100% duplicate with a hard-headed or solid rubber-headed bait. You know what I mean?

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So, no, I will always have red October tubes in my arsenal for sure.

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Definitely. Well, let's move on. You know, we kind of covered that one.

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That one's, I mean, obviously a cool new tool. Let's talk about the Big Mac. This one many people probably haven't heard about yet.

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And Herbie, in fact, I didn't even know much about it until recently,

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and you showed me some pictures of it. and it's a you know it's a tail rotating

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top water bait but it definitely has some unique features why don't you talk

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a little bit about that yeah it's uh.

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It's got that bigger headed profile that has been popular in the last recent years.

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Again, it is a plastic bait that holds its paint unlike a lot of your other

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topwaters that people have a lot of trouble with.

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The paint really stays on really good.

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So that's a plus factor. or the paint that Livingston job that they're using

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really stays intact very, very well.

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It's got a mouth to it. I wanted to call it Big Mouth, but for some reason they called it Big Mac.

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But it's got a mouth to it, and the mouth happens to serve several different purposes.

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Number one, we found with that horizontal mouth going across the nose,

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that you could not make that bait turnover.

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No matter with an 8-to-1 reel as fast as you can reel it or trolling it behind a planter board.

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Not that most times do you work topwaters that fast.

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I actually work topwaters very slow because I find that I don't get fish blowing up behind them.

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But there's times when I have caught fish trolling them or weed flats.

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Sometimes people, whether they know it or not, are reeling the bait faster than I like to.

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And I see baits turning over a lot. Anytime you've got a tail bait and you see

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it rolling on you at all, you're definitely working that bait too fast.

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This can't happen regardless of how fast you do start to work it.

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It stabilizes the head. The water going into that slit of the mouth stabilizes it.

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It also pushes the bottom lip of it down just a little bit.

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So you get a little film of water that comes over the top of the bait,

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which kind of has a hydrodynamic kind of look to it as it's going through the

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water, which is always made in the past.

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Some tailed topwaters that have more weight in their nose that have that property, very effective.

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So that does that. It also helps the tail catch water better,

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and between the hydrodynamic flow over the top and the flow catching the tail better,

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you really get a real good consistent pop right from the first drop.

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Quarter inch, the bait starts moving. So also that water going into that horizontal mouth and then being pushed out

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the sides of the edge of the mouth also produces some other different,

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you know, I don't know what you call them,

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sounds, vibrations, water flow that kind of just starts adding to anything and

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anything that's swimming through the water.

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You know, there's feet flapping, there's, you know, wings flapping,

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there's paddling going on,

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there's tails wiggling, there's all kinds of different things going on in natural

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life, and this kind of just all adds to that.

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The tail itself is not the big flat tail that is so common and on several different

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types of baits that are available out there.

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Now, they have been very successful, don't get me wrong, but they don't have

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a lot of versatility, that flat tail, in adjustment.

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It's either in tune or it's not, is what I found, with the flatter type of tails.

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This has a tail that's like the old tallywhacker style of tail,

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although per size per size of this bait,

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comparably speaking in its size and the tail size versus if it was a smaller

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bait it is between 15 and 20 percent taller.

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So it has it has a very good deep and resonating type of sound to it the bait also has,

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a built-in clicker that is a special stainless metal that we played with with

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the type of metal of the tail to produce just the right kind of sound,

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not overpowering bang, bang, bang, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick.

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It's a subtle type of a tick that goes along with the popping of the tail that

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makes it really an effective combo besides,

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you know, the other water flowish properties, and everything else.

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And then, all things aside, it's also got EBS in it, electronic bait fish sound,

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which there's a lot going on. I'm not so sure how much that sound the fish will actually pick up.

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But there's a lot of different retrieves that I think people don't use when

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it comes to topwaters, particularly side-to-side baits and tail baits.

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And that is dead sticking a bait when you have a fish following it and it's

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almost all the way to the boat, but yet it won't take the bait.

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I've found stopping the bait and just letting it sit has caught me some tremendous

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fish that I wanted to move it, I wanted to jerk it, I wanted to get the tail,

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and I held on and held on, and then all of a sudden it's like a chicken nip

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and they go and they and they grab it so it's

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something that can be tried it doesn't

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work all the time but it's not nothing works all

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the time right so but it's another presentation that works but also what a lot

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of people don't what a lot of people do and it works obviously is your steady

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plopping retrieve with a tail bait depending upon how fast you're moving it

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and the steady any type of retrieve,

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but, you know, the old pause, pull, kind of snap, jerking,

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creating, you know, a different type of action, pausing it and kind of jerking

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it and pausing it, jerking it, and can be very effective at times.

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Hardly anybody ever does that with a tail bait.

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So there's a lot of different things that you can do with tail baits besides

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just throwing them out and reeling them in. Particularly when you got a fish following and it's humps

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up right away and it's following them all the way to the boat now

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you're 12 feet away you know i catch some fish on turns and figure eights and

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taking the bait under in my opinion at the boat when you bring a tail bait in

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if you haven't tried the the dead stick the pause pull type of triggering to

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it and by the way that pause pull.

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When I'm fishing structure up on shore, like trees and stuff like that,

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heavy cover up on real heavy weeds up closer to shore and stuff,

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a lot of times I'll throw a tail bait out there, and particularly in darker water.

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And rather than just start the reel, I'll give it three, four pretty loud,

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hard rips, and then go into the slow, steady, then he boop, boop,

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boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, boop, and then maybe after 10 feet,

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give it a boop, boop, boop, boop.

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But that two or three hard rips to start, there can be fish 10, 15, 20, 30 feet away.

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Then it catches their attention, and I've seen wakes come right to the bait doing that.

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So there's a lot of different things that you can do with tail baits to make

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them more effective than just throwing them out and reeling them in.

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There's another addition that I don't know if it'll make it in time to the initial

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run of the bait but we got a double paddle tail type of addition,

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to the rear of the of the

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Big Mac that really looks a lot like

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little duck's feet paddling behind the bait that I'm

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hoping we can either get as an addition

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that can be purchased to add

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to the the bait or possibly if it's

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done in time to be included in the package with the bait

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but all in all i'm pretty excited about the

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bait it's a very durable bait like i said it holds its paint very well it's

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got a lot of things going for it a lot of different things going you know between

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sounds and and water movement and and things like that i think it's going to

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be a real winner and i think,

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When it gets there, there's only going to be so many.

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If your customers really want to get in on it, Jeff, I think they should be

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calling you and getting on a list because the next batch that comes in is probably

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going to be a month or two behind it. Once they're gone, they're gone.

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I would highly suggest to people if they want to get in on this bait to give

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you a call and get on a list.

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Then once they hit your dock, you're ready to ship them out.

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And i and we should have them in time you know

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for the top water season this year i'm looking

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for big things for it yeah it sounds like a you know late may june 1st is the

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deadline i've kind of heard and if you're hearing this podcast right now you

29:30

can just go right on our website we have the big mac product built you can there's

29:35

an email us one available tab on there click that tab you can,

29:39

pull the drop down. If you want to select a certain color, I usually recommend

29:43

people select more than just one color, just in case, you know,

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like, you know, maybe something's missing from an early shipment and we only

29:50

get five of six colors or whatever. That way you definitely get in on there and you just enter in your email address

29:56

and away you go, you're, you're signed up.

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And then, you know, just make sure that we're added, you know,

30:00

I think it's team rhino outdoors at hotmail.com is your safe sender.

30:04

I believe there's a note on there. So just so it doesn't end up in your spam folder.

30:07

Most of the time it doesn't, but occasionally spam filters will kick that out.

30:11

But anyways, just go on there and sign up. And you know, when a big Mac comes

30:14

in, you can get an email notification. Of course you can pay attention to our social media. You can pay attention to our backlash podcast.

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And then I'm assuming on this one here, I'll even mention that we have them

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in stock when they're actually in stock. Definitely a lot of cool new baits that are coming out, Herbie.

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You know, it's, it's fun to, you know, I've even, I don't know if I've even

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told you, but we have a, something new working on with the, one of the major

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manufacturers and And I'll divulge details when we're off the air,

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but we got something new that's working. It's not, I wouldn't say groundbreaking, but definitely something that anglers

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have been looking for for a while. So we were talking about Donna Chicago.

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Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. And we actually got to play with it.

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Yep. I'm looking forward to having a couple of them in my hands,

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especially fishing for big fish early in the season when normally we're using,

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you know, either bigger baits than that or smaller baits than that.

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And I think that's going to, that's going to be a big fish option when they

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still like smaller baits, but yet it's got, you know, the bigger size to it.

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That's about all I'm going to say. Yeah. Well, Herbie, I'm pretty far ahead on this podcast, so you won't hear

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this podcast until closer to the end of March.

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I've been working ahead, you know, with, with the show season to try to get

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this taken care of earlier, but you know, it's.

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By the time you hear this podcast, the details are going to start to emerge

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more on this bait that I've, I've teased a few times.

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And just like I said, just pay attention to our social medias.

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We'll be doing some podcasting on it. We'll be doing some talking on it.

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And Herbie, I know you're, you're on my short list of guys.

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You're going to definitely get some in your hands as soon as we can get them

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to you. I know about the time you hear this podcast, we should have molds in hand, actually. Super.

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Well, you know, Herbie, since I'm trying to keep these podcasts to about a half

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an hour, of course, like you always do.

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You fill the gaps perfect i have a whole list of bullet points i want to talk

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about with both of those two baits top water tips you hit them all perfectly

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amazing as usual you know for,

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bullet points we miss we can do more of these right yeah and so you know like

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i think i at some point we'll talk about the flipper but for the purpose of

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this podcast we're about at the time limit i'd like to be at for people that

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want to get in touch with you this year do you still You still have openings for trips?

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Yeah, you know, actually, I got a few openings left in May for southern Wisconsin.

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Not a lot, but I think four, three or four dates.

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One of them, I think, is even on a weekend.

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For some reason, I have that second or third, I don't have my calendar right in front of me.

32:42

I believe it's the third week in June. I got four days available for up in Vilas

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County yet, and I can't believe it.

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It's usually my first week full, and it comes off the full moon,

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and it's just a – I think with this early type of spring that we're – apparently

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it seems like we're going to have, and I just think that June is going to be a dynamite month up north this year.

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So that would be something to look at. I think I got one or two days left in November.

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I got some two or three days going into the second week of December, central Wisconsin.

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So I got a few days left that people that want to get in the boat and have a

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good day and have some fun and share it with me.

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If they get a hold of me, we should be able to get together.

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Yeah, definitely. If people want to get in touch with you, what's the best way to do that?

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Well, my phone number is 608-515-3416. No time's a bad time.

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Like I always say, if you just want to talk fishing, don't be afraid to give

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me a call. You got some questions. I've had quite a few people actually taking advantage of that offer.

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And I really feel good about it because they get back to me with a lot of appreciation.

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And at this stage of the game in my life, it really is fulfilling.

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Filling so don't be afraid if you got some things you want to talk about

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you can go message me off of facebook steve

34:18

herbeck you can go to steve herbeck fishing

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my website has got all my contacts on there i'm easy to find yeah and obviously

34:27

you don't have any problems talking muskies that's that's very clear every time

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we get you on the podcast i don't ever have to worry about how long this is

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going to go i usually have to worry about only like trying to limit the amount

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of of the the time that it goes. So always a great, always a great time, Steve.

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I really appreciate your time. I want to thank all the listeners again for coming

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out and listening to another episode. I know we're, you know, just we're fresh off refiring this podcast again.

34:52

Hopefully by the time you hear this, we'll have some momentum going.

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And if you're looking for, you know, either of these two new options from Livingston

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Lures, go check out teamrhinooutdoors.com and I'll work my hardest to make sure

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that we have another episode for you again next week, Monday.