0:01

Talk is Jericho,

0:04

baby. Talk is

0:06

Jericho. Talk

0:09

is Jericho, mama. Talk

0:12

is me. All right. So

0:14

Kyle Canane is here and brand

0:17

new comedy special, Dirt Nap. But you have a different

0:19

look now. When you were

0:21

starting your comedy special, you had a bunch of

0:24

different looks that you said you had. One that

0:26

I was thinking was a skinny other guy from

0:28

Tenacious D. Yeah. I get the Kyle gas. People

0:31

take the Kyle and then they take the giant gray

0:33

beard and run with it. I'm like, all right. Well,

0:36

you can't stop the internet from saying what the internet's

0:38

going to say. But that's kind

0:40

of the theme of your,

0:43

I guess, brand of comedy is a little bit

0:45

of self-deprecating humor, which is always the best way

0:47

to approach comedy for sure.

0:49

Yeah. I mean, the only thing I'm an

0:51

expert on in this world is me. So that's

0:54

the only thing I feel qualified on talking

0:56

about. I've been studying Kyle Canane

0:58

for 47 years. I think I

1:00

got him figured out. You're the world's top

1:02

expert on Kyle Canane. Yeah. Nobody's coming. Nobody's

1:04

coming close. Let's talk about Dirt

1:07

Nap. It's interesting to me because it's

1:09

your comedy special and one thing that

1:11

stood out besides

1:13

the clarity is the directed

1:17

by Bobcat Gulfweight. Oh, yeah.

1:19

First off, how did you get Bobcat

1:22

involved and how does one direct a

1:24

comedy special? Bobcat. I

1:27

met him. He was doing stand up. I was

1:29

living in LA and he was there doing stand

1:31

up and directing. He's directed a lot of real

1:34

great films, you know, World's Greatest Dad and

1:36

Shakes the Clown. Like he's secretly

1:38

been putting out very subversive movies

1:42

this whole time and he directed

1:45

a few episodes that I was on a show called

1:47

Those Who Can't with my pals from Denver called The

1:49

Grollex. That's their group and he directed those episodes and

1:51

he was just, he's

1:53

just like this real like sweet,

1:55

benevolent presence when you're making a

1:58

thing like, you know, you get directors like, We're

2:00

losing light. We got to hurry." And he's

2:02

just silly and wants everybody there to be

2:04

like, hey, can you believe we're making a TV

2:06

show? Isn't this crazy? I'm like reminding people that

2:08

we're doing a silly thing and we're very lucky

2:10

to be doing it. And

2:12

so that's like, that's really important to have that kind of

2:15

energy for somebody

2:17

who's in charge. You

2:19

know, I'd say like, you look to the leader

2:21

to dictate how your energy is going to be

2:23

for the day. And when he's like, yeah,

2:25

let's have fun. That's a funny joke. What have you said?

2:28

Having a good attitude, that was really important. And

2:30

then him being a great standup,

2:32

he still tours and does standup. If

2:35

you have a standup, direct a standup. I mean, obviously

2:37

it's like, yeah, put the cameras here, point them towards

2:39

the stage, and then you say your stuff. But

2:42

it's the smaller stuff of like him

2:45

saying, oh, if we shoot it from the side here,

2:47

there's that light in the background and it makes the

2:49

room look a little bit bigger and little

2:52

details of... And also watching the comedy.

2:55

When somebody's a standup going, hey, if you move

2:57

this bit over to here, it

3:00

might make a little more sense. Like it would link in

3:02

later here. I'm like, oh, I'm so up my

3:05

own ass right now about all this. I'm not seeing

3:07

the bigger picture. And so to have a standup know

3:09

how to talk to you. So that's why it worked

3:11

out. And he's just a, he's

3:13

a real rad dude, if I say so

3:15

myself. So it's essentially kind of like, like

3:18

producing a record or helping,

3:20

like if you're producing a record, you're helping

3:22

the bands basically structure the songs and that

3:25

sort of thing. So is he traveling with

3:27

you and watching your, your act for a

3:29

few shows to understand where to place some

3:31

of these things and help you with that?

3:33

Yeah, he came out. I did a weekend

3:35

at Cleveland and a club called Hilarities in Cleveland.

3:37

It's a great club. But he came out for

3:39

the weekend and watched me do like three

3:42

or four shows to be like, okay, this is what you're

3:44

going to record in a couple months. I

3:47

can take notes on this and go, hey, I think this

3:49

would look better here. Hey, when you do this act

3:51

out, it would be great if we had a camera

3:53

over here because you turn around and we don't see your

3:55

face. So yeah, it's,

3:57

it's paying attention to that stuff. be

4:00

like again like a music

4:03

producer knows how to turn the recording you

4:05

know knows how to turn the tape on

4:07

and all that but they also need to know how to

4:09

like work with the band and the personality of the band and

4:11

how to get that stuff out of

4:13

them like oh should I be aggressive with this

4:15

person or should I be laid back with this

4:17

person so understanding personalities That's interesting because like I

4:19

said I've never really thought about you know directing

4:22

a comedy special because you know if you're directing

4:24

a TV show you got this take you have

4:26

that take you do it again you do it

4:28

here when you're doing your special it's one take

4:30

it's all from beginning to end and

4:32

it's up to your director to help you structure that and

4:34

get the best out of it from a look standpoint and

4:36

from a creative standpoint as well

4:39

Well I don't want to ruin the magic of it Chris. They'll

4:44

tape two shows and you get to wear the same

4:46

shirt both times so by the end of the set

4:48

you're pretty smelly but they got something to edit in

4:50

there. Is it all new stuff? I know

4:52

at the beginning of the set you're

4:54

like don't get too carried away you haven't

4:56

heard the new material but is it all

4:58

new material? Oh yeah it's always ever forward

5:00

man. I get bored repeating myself

5:02

you know I think that's

5:05

I remember talking to a Broadway actor one time

5:07

like how do you do that? How

5:10

do you go up? Those people are out doing the same

5:12

show for months at a time and

5:14

they got to say the lines the way they're written. Sure.

5:17

And I was like I don't know how that sounds

5:19

like lunacy. That's

5:21

how I mean the people that do it are

5:23

really good but like how do you say the

5:26

same stuff every single night sometimes two or three

5:28

times a night for months? They're

5:30

touring it and everything like that.

5:34

That's crazy to me. Do you

5:36

ever do like I know like probably

5:38

not because a lot of comics that I know don't do

5:40

this but like fluffy for a while would bring back the

5:43

martine bit or something like that. Is

5:45

there a greatest hit that you would bring back every

5:47

once in a while? No I gotta keep

5:49

going. I feel like you

5:52

start doing that and that's not to slight anybody that

5:54

does it but you start doing that and that's when

5:56

you start kind of like I

5:58

don't know I just it's gotta be. It's gotta be

6:01

perpetual motion. It's gotta be

6:03

moving forward, you know? It's got

6:05

its I have to have like inertia and

6:07

it's also. I. Still really like

6:09

trying to figure out. What's.

6:11

Funny is not. I still a bomb. A lot.

6:14

I still bomb. I was. I tried to bomb

6:16

at shows that people pay for the success that

6:18

that. But by the cats, we were doing a

6:20

local thing in Portland, Or in L A. I.

6:23

Was real good chance of a eat it. But.

6:25

That's I mean, You.

6:27

Know you that you gotta try the news, the hippie

6:30

scared to like I'd I'd feel like like you said,

6:32

don't the old stuff with the oh. People.

6:35

Don't wanna bet they they want the comfort thing and

6:37

I don't wanna get known for that. I'd rather like.

6:40

Keep. My mid mid level popularity. But

6:42

know that. Inside my own

6:44

had to. Curiosity is still going vs

6:46

I gotta give. These people were too

6:48

scared to divert from what people expect

6:50

for me and that that I don't

6:52

want to get to that point. Gas

6:54

Good. God forbid. That's. An issue

6:57

I have god forbid a stadium of people

6:59

expects me to do a sampler. sucks but

7:01

I appreciate your Santa biggest as you are

7:03

to Streets of Not Just you know, falling

7:06

back on on your laurels and and

7:08

trying new stuff for see mentioned when you

7:10

go just h I'm going to like Yards

7:12

open. My curse of these are you

7:14

try a new new material l been magazine

7:17

on by Mana showcase like do and

7:19

ten or twelve minutes and or I'd this

7:21

is. It. Still scares me.

7:23

which rules like I love it. I

7:25

love that I'd like the i don't

7:27

know this. Tonight. I

7:29

might go to bed of real disappointed in

7:32

myself. At. The next night after go

7:34

find another show to wash out the disappointment.

7:36

Second, yes it's I get sick of smelly

7:38

coat you gotta wear for a while if

7:40

you bomb you just like you know you

7:42

bombed until you go on stage and don't

7:45

bomb you just walk around known Alaska you

7:47

did You bomb that you feeling pieces and

7:49

it's ice us. I love that I still

7:51

feel that way. I. Love that I

7:53

still get disappointed if is isn't going wealth

7:55

cause to me I mean they still care

7:57

about you know what I would say that

7:59

iam. The most true professionals feel that way.

8:01

You're only as good as your last show, especially

8:03

when you're trying new things like I I I

8:06

have. All people know exactly what you're talking about.

8:08

Sometimes it is a little scary, but if not,

8:10

then where were you forcing yourself to be a

8:12

guide? You get to the next level, right? Yeah,

8:14

he got. do you gonna do bad enemy of

8:17

that? The internet's gonna tell you that you did

8:19

bad and I go. Thanks strangers, Thank you. Yeah,

8:21

thanks for letting me know any to grow

8:24

my beard back. That's what I mean. That's

8:26

why I love the Wake up with Strangers

8:28

time and S F are you mentioned

8:30

earlier? I'm I know that you recorded as

8:33

this the special was a nap So the

8:35

Acme Comedy Club you mentioned polarities I love

8:37

names. Of. Comedy clubs tell me

8:39

some your favorite if. You

8:42

have somebody else likes him. Stiffest

8:44

of the gods funny bones, side splitters

8:47

fi a plan that one the

8:49

you know what it went from. it

8:51

went from those been. Silly.

8:54

And like like a job. Now now

8:56

it's come back around but. Yeah.

8:59

It's just I know I'm a comedian, but

9:01

as everything has to be wacky around, it

9:04

does everything have to be branded as. Like

9:07

that in own was silly Goose is ethical

9:09

they know whether at they know that came

9:11

with a comedy club they need like the.

9:14

The. Like the ding dong martini or whatever.

9:16

Like they're going to make a mortar that

9:18

by name. like this one where adults gallons

9:21

of a few the go to a techie

9:23

cheese and running silly. But I know it's

9:25

a comedy club, but we're here. We're all

9:27

grown adults who. Saw.

9:30

Such a morbid. but the special some great stuff

9:32

on there are loves, the kind of the racing

9:34

on the sauce, the serious movies. I feel the

9:37

same way. did it simply of your thoughts about

9:39

what you talked to more than those movies I

9:41

love of man. That. I I

9:43

know. My. Expectations are so

9:45

low for those like I don't. I.

9:48

Never like attach myself to me movie franchises

9:50

or know if you have any real like

9:53

i gotta see Star Wars or I gotta

9:55

be like. and i feel

9:57

like you get to level of fandom where you're setting

9:59

things up so high you're only going to be

10:01

disappointed. I don't

10:03

do that for anything. So if anything

10:05

I pick something that's already pretty silly and

10:09

all it has to do is deliver on that. All

10:11

it has to do is be more ridiculous than the

10:13

last one and I will say that The

10:15

Fast and Furious has exceeded my

10:17

expectations every single time.

10:20

They know you want some crazy

10:22

shit and that's awesome and

10:24

they give it to me every time and

10:26

it's all they want out of those movies.

10:28

But it's a great bit too because it's

10:31

one of those things like you're right and

10:33

it is really funny when you find the

10:35

comedic side of it. Who's not smiling through

10:37

those movies? Who's watching those movies? Like who's

10:39

not laughing their ass off watching

10:42

Ludacris take a Fiero to

10:44

space? Sorry, spoiler, sorry. If

10:48

anything I just made you want to watch it more.

10:50

Yeah. You either saw it or I don't think anybody's

10:52

like on the fence like one day I'm going to

10:54

like lock in and watch

10:57

these. I tried to do it. Are you like a

11:02

Marvel movie guy? You know what? I'm really not and probably

11:04

for the reason that you're going to say but tell me

11:06

what you think. I just didn't like I

11:08

don't think I think they take themselves

11:10

seriously. Yeah. And that like

11:12

I don't and also I don't know I didn't grow

11:15

up with like comic books or anything. So I don't

11:17

know who does. I remember watching The Avengers and being

11:19

like well I don't know who any of these people

11:21

are. You

11:23

know it's like watching a super it's like the

11:25

traveling Wilburys. I'm like well why are these guys

11:27

who are these guys are all from different bands?

11:30

All right well I got to learn these other bands. So then

11:32

I tried to watch the Marvel

11:34

movies. I remember

11:36

I remember I was like I'm going to

11:39

try and watch them all like in chronological

11:41

order not when they came out but when

11:43

the characters appear. Oh wow. In the world.

11:45

That was going to be my pandemic exercise.

11:47

Right. And like the very

11:50

first one like the earliest appearance I think

11:52

was I don't know his Captain America. Somebody's

11:54

going to get pissed at me about this.

11:57

But so I'm like well just.

12:00

a family-friendly show, Chris? It

12:02

is whatever we want it to be. Okay, well I

12:04

don't know. Like I said, I'll just

12:06

get like Bong, Rip & Stone and

12:08

I'll watch these. I'll watch these. Like that's what you're

12:10

supposed to do. And I was enjoying

12:12

Captain America to a point and

12:15

I was going to try and tell my girlfriend, like

12:17

actually you might like this. There's some pretty decent storylines

12:19

to it. But then the bad guy is like a

12:21

big red, he's got like a red skull. Did you

12:23

see this one? See the guy? He's got like a big-

12:26

I know you're talking with the red skull guy, yeah. Like

12:28

a shiny red like gummy bear

12:30

head or something. Yeah. And

12:32

I'm like trying to like you know what I'm

12:34

going to picture on this and she comes in

12:36

the room right when the giant red silly skull,

12:38

she's like what the fuck is this? And I'm

12:41

like I can't, I can't tell you anything about

12:43

why this is good right now. Because I was

12:45

losing my mind because I'm like yeah this is

12:47

ridiculous. And I think I fell

12:49

out after that. They were just so mad like oh they

12:51

kept adding more as I'm watching them. I'm like I can't,

12:53

I'm never going to keep up with this workload right now

12:56

if I'm trying to watch all these. Well the

12:58

thing that bothers me about them is I tried as well

13:00

because I was a comic kid you

13:02

know when I was growing up. But

13:04

it started falling into this trap

13:06

of two tails. One is

13:08

every one there's some kind of an invasion.

13:11

They're getting invaded by aliens, time

13:13

travelers, giant bugs, whatever it may

13:16

be. And

13:18

then they always you know thwart the

13:20

invasion at the end. And

13:22

then you watch the credits and they're eating you know late

13:25

night at a diner. And that's

13:27

what happens in every one. Like I've seen

13:30

this already every time. Pitch

13:32

them on yours. Which superhero are you going to

13:34

be? Pitch them on yours. No invasion. You're

13:36

the invaders. When they started getting

13:39

into Ant-Man and like Wasp

13:41

Woman and Blue Beetle like those are

13:43

low level, you know those are opening

13:45

comedians that's side splitters that come on

13:47

before you know three people before you

13:49

do. You know we're getting really low here.

13:51

I was there was so much going

13:53

on like I couldn't tell like at

13:56

this point I'm like is Godzilla an

13:59

Avenger? know. Are

14:01

the Transformers going

14:04

to fight Batman? I don't know.

14:06

They may as well. If you want to

14:08

get me on board, start

14:11

folding in the Fast and the Furious. Start

14:13

folding the Transformers in with Fast and the

14:15

Furious. It's pretty much made for each other.

14:18

Fast and the Furious has already gotten ridiculous

14:20

and the Transformers are robots that are also

14:22

cars. Just make the movie, Hollywood. Give us

14:25

what we want. Yeah, and then

14:27

throw in Jason Voorhees. He's been in

14:29

space, so throw him in there. Buddy,

14:31

are we not writing the best movie

14:34

that anybody would possibly want to see

14:36

right now? I mean, you want to

14:38

talk multiverse? We'll give you multiverse, man.

14:41

We got it. I want

14:43

a gumbo. I want a gumbo

14:45

of everybody I've seen on screen.

14:47

You've done Freddy versus Jason. You've

14:49

done Alien versus Predator. Just let

14:51

me have it. Let's just cut the podcast out.

14:53

We'll write this. We'll bang it out by the

14:55

end of the day. It can't be that hard

14:57

of a script. It could be our new podcast.

15:00

Writing the perfect script with Kyle and Chris. Just

15:03

dreaming up scenarios in which

15:06

the scream mask guy has to fight us.

15:09

I don't know. Pick one of the other ones. I

15:12

also love how you mentioned Luda and how

15:14

he really is not understanding that he's

15:17

really in a movie.

15:19

I've always loved that about that character. It's

15:21

him. That's the guy. Yeah, I think you

15:23

hire Chris Bridges. I believe

15:25

this is proper now. Oh, nice. I think

15:27

that's probably what's on the checks he gets

15:29

from the movie studios. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:31

I think you know what you're getting when

15:33

you hire a ludicrous. Like,

15:35

no, don't act. Just be ludicrous. We

15:38

want ludicrous. Right. We

15:41

hired ludicrous to be ludicrous. We didn't hire ludicrous

15:43

to be somebody else. I always liked that too.

15:45

Like, in sitcoms in the 80s, when it would

15:47

be like, you know, I don't know, Theo

15:50

would be getting yelled at on the Cosby Show

15:52

and then there'd be a knock at the door

15:54

and it's like, oh my goodness, it's Olympic gold

15:56

medalist, Carl Lewis. Carl

16:00

Lewis drop is nice. Why

16:03

is he in the neighborhood? I

16:05

was just jogging by. Yeah. Yeah. I heard

16:07

a couple of tell you guys stay off,

16:09

stay off drugs or whatever the heck you

16:11

would say and just pop in and

16:13

then pop out again. Yeah. Oh, Brad Pitt's

16:15

on friends. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

16:18

So you really talk to Kyle about

16:21

how, you know, you

16:23

don't really tour as a comedian. This is what

16:25

your job is. And you are just doing this

16:27

job all across the country. It's kind of a

16:29

cool way of looking at things. Yeah. I, some

16:31

people, I didn't realize if it came off a

16:33

little bit, I didn't mean

16:35

it to be pretentious. I just meant that it's not like

16:38

everybody tries to brand. I think it's just a branding

16:40

thing to call something a tour. It's like, well, if

16:42

you're a standup, you just go do

16:45

standup. You didn't like, it's not

16:47

like some people are

16:49

celebrities and

16:51

then they'll do a standup tour

16:53

because they want to make, I think, uh,

16:57

uh, who's the guy from Joe McHale? I think his

16:59

tour was called thanks for the pool. Like,

17:01

I think he was very obvious about like, yeah, this, this

17:03

tour that I'm doing is going to pay for a pool

17:06

that comes in. That's just, that's a humor. You're

17:08

just a standup. That's just, that's

17:10

just what you're doing. You know, this is, I'm

17:12

going to do this in perpetuity until I get

17:14

sick of it or, I don't

17:17

know, they, they unearthed something about me. Don't

17:19

we all have unearthables out there? You

17:23

know, until they find out that I was, you know,

17:25

the head of communist Russia from 1988 to 1996. And

17:29

when that comes out, I'm probably doomed. But other

17:31

than that, uh, no, I just, I just, this

17:34

is what I want to do. So

17:36

to call it a tour just means the next, next

17:38

year it's a tour and the year after that tour

17:40

is like, no, here's just, here's my year of work.

17:42

And then next year I will be doing this again.

17:45

It's like calling your commute a tour. You're

17:49

going to work. But that is true. Like

17:51

you said, it's not like you're doing it like a tour.

17:54

Like if you're in a band would be, you go out for three months

17:56

and then you got, you know, three months off or six months off. What's

17:59

your cost of being working? Right? Well bands tour.

18:01

Bands have to... bands... that's the

18:03

irony of... not the irony is the wrong word,

18:05

but a band will sit there and write new

18:07

material and then perform

18:09

it. And people are hoping to

18:11

hear the old stuff when they go out as

18:14

a comedian. You only create it live. You can't

18:16

create it in a vacuum. You can't create it...

18:19

You know, you write the idea down, but you find

18:21

out if it's funny because strangers laugh at it.

18:23

So you have to perfect it in front of

18:25

an audience. And then

18:27

that's the tour. Is you perfecting

18:30

this stuff? And then it gets recorded and then

18:32

it goes away forever. That's the opposite of music

18:34

is you record something and then you hope those

18:36

become hits. Mm-hmm. No,

18:38

you heard all this already. You heard all this? Now

18:41

I'll record it for people that haven't seen me live

18:43

and I'll go out there. But

18:46

I wanted to flip it on you, Chris.

18:48

I wanted to talk about music for a

18:50

second. Sure. You were playing music for a

18:52

while. Still do, yeah. Is

18:55

Fuzzy still going? Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

18:57

I had good friends with

18:59

Dave Stone who was your previous tour manager

19:02

way back when. Do you remember Dave at

19:04

all? It's a long time ago, man, but

19:06

I do. Yeah, for sure. He said he

19:08

wore the pig mask for you guys. That's

19:11

probably 20 years ago. Yeah,

19:13

I don't know how long ago it was.

19:15

He's a comic I did a podcast with

19:17

for many years and he's like, yeah, a

19:20

lot of jobs. He did a lot of

19:22

stuff. He's like a chef. He's like a

19:24

tour manager for Chris Jericho's band. They would

19:26

make me wear the pig mask on stage

19:28

with the chainsaw or something. That sounds

19:30

pretty cool. Yeah, that's a

19:32

long time ago, man. That's a good turnout for

19:34

sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I wanted to throw

19:37

that one in there. Where

19:39

are you from? I am from Chicago

19:42

suburbs, baby. That's right.

19:44

I had to get these hats made because everybody's

19:47

like, what part of Chicago are you from? I'm

19:49

like, I don't know, where the tornadoes start. That

19:51

was the best way I could describe it. Like

19:55

you said, I'm from the suburbs. What part of the suburbs?

19:57

They're all the same. All of them are the same. Same

20:00

one through and through. Just

20:02

the outskirts of a major city. Big box

20:05

stores, boredom, smoking

20:08

pot behind old K-marts. You

20:11

know the routine. You had a great line

20:14

about how there's always like

20:16

I don't know, I'm paraphrasing your own joke you know

20:18

it better than I do, but there's an Applebee's and

20:20

there's a frickin' Best Buy and there's always the confused

20:22

family in the middle. I've been there. I've

20:25

seen it. Yeah. Yeah. And

20:28

I've seen the Cloverleaf dining options. You

20:31

know which chain restaurants glom

20:33

on to highway exchanges. That's right. And

20:36

I'm not trying to act better than

20:38

them. I mean I have my preferences.

20:42

Applebee's pretty low on the list. I'm

20:45

not going to argue with you about a red lobster though. I'll

20:49

go throw down at Shrimp Fest. I'll

20:51

get a little wild at Shrimp Fest. Not

20:54

mad at a sizzler. That's quality. Sizzler's

20:56

got a good off. And it's the thing too.

20:58

Like when you're on the road all the time

21:01

you see the places that you know and that

21:04

you, like you said, a sizzler always trumps Waffle

21:07

House. Cracker Barrel trumps the sizzler in my

21:09

opinion. I, you know what, and this is

21:11

my friend Dave, got me back on the

21:13

Waffle House thing. I had a very bad

21:16

experience with a Waffle House. Real

21:19

gross. And then I was

21:21

not viewing Waffle House correctly. Waffle

21:23

House, it's the fast and the furious of

21:26

restaurants. Wow. Explain. You

21:28

know what you're going to get. You know exactly what you're going to get. I

21:32

got a little extra when the guy rang

21:34

out the dish rag behind the counter, but

21:36

it somehow squirted on the counter on everybody's

21:38

food. And everybody sitting there

21:40

just looked at each other like, we're still going to

21:43

eat it, right? Yeah, I guess. And we just all

21:45

ate our food. We just all ate our food. Just

21:47

quietly like, yeah, we sat at the counter. We knew

21:49

the risks. Yeah, I

21:52

just, I like the Waffle House. I like the simplicity

21:54

of it, and I like that for what you're getting

21:56

and what you're paying its quality. I also like that

21:58

they have... that FEMA uses

22:01

them as whether

22:03

or not like to grade if

22:05

they should shut down because of weather. It's

22:07

the Waffle House Index. If Waffle House shuts

22:09

down, then FEMA is like, all right, we'll

22:12

issue the alert. They should just shut down

22:14

businesses because Waffle House is the last one

22:16

that stays open. And I

22:18

did research on it. They're

22:21

like, they do so much. Waffle House

22:23

rules. Secretly, you don't realize it. They're not

22:25

putting it. They're not wearing it. But

22:28

Waffle House secretly does a lot for the community,

22:30

does a lot for its employees, and

22:32

it's a solid food item. Right. I

22:35

praise Waffle House. Also,

22:38

being on the road, I want

22:41

to support mom and pop places, but

22:43

then you don't know what you're getting. And sometimes you're

22:46

just like, I'm starving, and I

22:48

need to know the thing I'm going to get is

22:50

the thing I want. And sadly, you do,

22:52

will gravitate towards a chain because like, oh,

22:54

they've been taught to make this the same

22:56

way each time where it's

22:59

like, oh, I'm going to go to grandma's family dining because

23:01

I want to try this down

23:03

home spot in West Virginia. And I got

23:05

like a

23:07

grilled cheese with two different types of bread and

23:09

like, oh, this is- Drama was

23:12

nowhere to be seen. No, there is no. I think

23:14

you're upset that we came in here. You're

23:17

upset that we ruined your front to

23:19

sell pills, and now you have

23:22

to actually make us a meal to prove to

23:24

the cops that you're a legitimate business. So

23:28

when you're touring, it's

23:30

probably different now than maybe it was always this way.

23:33

It seems like you go out, most communities will go

23:35

out for a weekend in one city

23:37

or whatever, but is there times where you have to

23:39

get in a car and drive from city to city

23:41

still? I used to do it like that. I used

23:44

to, I don't know if the

23:46

leaner days are wrestling if you're kind

23:49

of working like circuits

23:51

where it's like, all right, there's

23:53

going to be five gigs

23:55

this week in a region and

23:58

they're going to be lower level, but that's- I

24:00

always I learned everything from going to see

24:02

bands and like the 90s going to all

24:05

ages shows and going like oh these guys

24:08

Are gonna get in a van and go out for

24:10

two weeks and play wherever they can play and it

24:12

might be a Tuesday night With eight people, but they're

24:14

gonna They're gonna go

24:16

for it They're gonna put my best show for those eight

24:19

people because they know that those eight people will tell their

24:21

friends and next time I play through maybe it'll be 30

24:24

people or word will get

24:26

around and so that's how I started Mm-hmm

24:28

cuz I couldn't a comedy club. They're

24:31

gonna book you for at least five shows So

24:34

whoever wanted to see you now you can now they're

24:36

gonna spread that crowd out over five shows So if

24:38

I was gonna sell a hundred tickets, it's maybe 20

24:40

people in each show And

24:43

I'm like, ah, this is gonna ruin my love for

24:45

comedy. I'd rather just Play the

24:47

one show on Tuesday and drive to the next

24:49

city and drive to the next city until I

24:51

can sell tickets So

24:54

that's how I did it for a long time was do

24:56

it like touring like a band and be like, yeah Okay,

24:58

it's a Wednesday night. Hope you can make it out to

25:01

this Weird venue in a

25:03

weird part of town Yeah,

25:05

now now I can sell my own tickets So

25:07

now I'll go out for the weekend and do

25:09

the comedy club and come home because it's you

25:11

know, I've been at it for 20

25:14

some years. I'm a bit of a homebody now

25:16

I like that part of it when I when

25:18

you're younger and you don't have anything and you

25:20

don't have a Relationship be like yeah, just put

25:22

me out there. What's your what I

25:24

got What am I gonna do sit around my roommates?

25:26

Well, yeah, put me in the road. Let's go Yeah,

25:28

now you work you work hard and you like you

25:30

like being at home and having your stuff and that's

25:33

so Now I go out

25:35

on the weekends, but I still got almost every weekend

25:37

still busting my ass So I mean you probably don't

25:39

have a lot of this now because like you said

25:41

you've been doing it for over 20 years But when

25:44

you were when you're starting out as a comedian, obviously

25:46

if you mentioned bombing But what

25:48

if you're not bombing but the crowd just

25:50

isn't responding? What what do you

25:52

do to try and open it up? I mean, do

25:54

you try something different? Do you go into improv you

25:56

just stick with your act sometimes? I mean I read

26:00

mankind's book and he was talking about

26:02

it like it really resonated the parallels

26:04

between wrestling and comedy are so Just

26:08

so close to one another he's talking about like yeah

26:10

if the audience wasn't enjoying it Him

26:13

and whoever he was matched up with they would

26:15

just start being ridiculous to entertain each other. Oh,

26:17

yeah. Yeah like to try and make Like

26:20

to try and hit somebody from so far away to

26:22

make it look so ridiculous to like you got it

26:24

Like just have fun like and I like

26:26

that's where you get with comedy. We're like, all

26:29

right Well, here's the here's the bits that nobody

26:31

likes anyway that I think are so silly

26:33

and I'm just gonna go for it or

26:35

I'll go You know,

26:37

I think that I honestly think that fast and

26:39

furious tangent Probably started because people weren't into it

26:41

and you're like you're wondering how long I could

26:44

talk about the fast and the furious I'm

26:47

gonna punish you with how long I could talk about

26:49

the fast I Mean

26:52

you never want to blame the audience for any of it,

26:54

you know, I still think 95%

26:58

of the time the blame does fall on the performer

27:02

You know There's always like oh, they're

27:04

a little rowdier this is that but it's like if you've been doing

27:06

it for long enough You should know

27:08

like oh, here's the bits to get them on board. Here's

27:10

right, right And if I

27:12

fail at doing those things I feel I've like that's

27:14

on me. I usually I'll blame myself Mm-hmm

27:17

for I mean if you watch this special,

27:19

you know, I blame myself for most everything

27:21

So that's but that's that's it. You

27:23

just like Cuz if you see

27:25

like if you see a comedian that's not having fun on

27:27

stage Like yeah,

27:29

what what the trans what chance is

27:31

the audience? Yeah, if the guy's Job

27:34

to bring joy isn't enjoying it But

27:37

that's that's the secret to live performing

27:39

though is connecting with the crowd and

27:41

if you can connect with the crowd though They'll

27:44

always be happy to come see you and you

27:46

know buy tickets to see you and that's stand-up

27:48

comedy that's wrestling That's music. That's you know, you

27:51

mentioned if you're doing Broadway Whatever

27:53

it may be you have to have some sort of a connection

27:55

with you with your audience Yeah, I mean have you ever seen

27:57

a band that you're sug's and they were just boring Yeah,

28:00

that's like wow You

28:02

guys Right is my friend sean jordan

28:04

every time i'm like, oh, I gotta go do this show

28:06

this weekend He's like you get to go do a show

28:08

this weekend. Right? He's really good

28:10

about like reminding Like remember

28:12

like you see a band you pay all this money You're

28:14

waiting like months to see this band and then they just

28:16

like so bored to be there It's like I

28:19

could have just stayed home and listened to the record. It would have been

28:21

so much cheaper Like how are

28:23

you guys not? I'm, not

28:25

asking you to do cartwheels or flip

28:27

the guitar around the back style Like

28:30

this. I like to know that you guys enjoy

28:32

making music still and weren't just here to take

28:34

my money At least give me the illusion,

28:36

you know What's like the

28:38

worst heckler you've ever had to deal with? You

28:41

still have to deal with those sometimes if someone

28:43

gets a little drunk or something I think words

28:45

out that you'll get booted. I mean now there's

28:47

like this Ah, gotcha onslaught

28:49

of crowd work Videos

28:52

that you know, it's easy because You

28:55

don't burn your own material because you're just talking to

28:57

the audience and They're providing

29:00

it and that's not really

29:02

my style. I've seen it done well but

29:05

I also think a lot of people are doing it and I

29:07

think it's kind of flooding the internet with Half-assed

29:09

crowd work because there's a chance to keep your name

29:11

out there without ruining material And

29:14

I think that kind of can create this Atmosphere

29:17

where the audience it gives some people in

29:19

the audience like oh people want to

29:21

make a crowd work video I'll interact with them. It's like

29:23

I don't want that at all That's

29:25

a case by case basis I

29:28

was opening for mark maron at the purple

29:31

onion in san francisco. It's like legendary

29:33

kind of spoken word Comedy

29:35

jazz club in san francisco. This

29:38

is probably you know 15 years

29:40

ago or something And

29:42

uh, there's this legendary chinese spot called

29:44

house and king across the street and

29:46

I ate so much chinese food Like

29:49

it what it's like, you know, like when you just

29:51

eat something like you find something that just tastes so

29:53

good You're like, I just won't stop. I'm just not

29:55

gonna stop eating Yeah, like just complete

29:58

disregard for having to perform this I

30:01

ate so much I could barely move and then I had

30:03

to go across the street and do this show and Admittedly,

30:05

I was doing terrible. I was so

30:08

full of like lemon pepper chicken like

30:11

Just all I wanted was like barf and fall asleep

30:13

That's all I wanted to do and that you could

30:15

see it up my face I'm like leaning on a

30:17

stool and this guy He

30:20

heckled he but the heckles were

30:22

real specific. He's like You

30:25

bore me bring on Marin like this

30:27

kind of regal like you you bore

30:29

me like wow, that's a Like

30:32

you suck is one thing. I know that but

30:34

you bore me is like, oh like the King

30:36

right spoken I'm

30:38

gonna be fed to the lions like weird

30:41

heckle and then I Got

30:44

and I deserved eyes. That's a terrible

30:46

But then I got off stage and then Marin was

30:49

on stage and then this guy again. He say

30:51

he started to chime up in

30:53

the back and Somebody

30:56

came over to tell him to keep it down and

30:58

the guy ran It was a basement club and he

31:00

ran up the stairs to like run away from security

31:02

But it wasn't the stairs to leave it was the stairs

31:05

that go to the kitchen to the restaurant upstairs But as

31:07

he's on the stairs, he goes I

31:09

love you mark Marin. Fuck you mark Marin And

31:13

it was the weird like okay, this guy's not

31:16

well, yeah Like if I

31:18

pull her heckler, yeah Yeah, it was like I

31:20

was like a like a Tourette's or something because

31:22

like the things he was saying were like Colorful

31:26

but not necessarily just a heckle

31:28

like very like flower flowery language

31:31

Right and you saw these two this like older man

31:33

and woman kind of get up After

31:35

they chased him off and slowly go and grab

31:37

this guy's jacket off a chair and like oh

31:40

I think they were like his parents and

31:42

they take him to Come

31:45

like oh this guy's like affected by

31:47

something but he loves comedy and this

31:49

is there that mark marin was kind of like You

31:52

know comedy, you know It's like it like

31:54

it can speak to some people or like,

31:56

you know, like the para social relationship that

31:59

people form hearing somebody talk

32:01

about their feelings in an entertaining way, like, will

32:03

they think like I think? Mm-hmm.

32:05

And so these marginalized individuals, like this guy, I

32:07

think the parents were like, all right, here we

32:09

go. We're going to take him to a comedy

32:11

show again. And they kind of like knowingly like,

32:14

all right, let's go pluck our

32:16

son from the security since this

32:18

is how these events end. And

32:21

that was the weirdest one. But it also made

32:23

me realize that sometimes when people are yelling out,

32:25

they're not just being drunk dicks. A lot of

32:28

times they are. But I had a

32:30

woman at a show, I thought there's a bird in the showroom,

32:32

like, it was like a whistling, is that a bird? And

32:35

she goes, yep, I

32:37

have Tourette's. And like, all

32:39

right, hey, you know what, I'm not going to take

32:41

that. It's like, it's such low

32:43

hanging fruit to make fun of. And

32:45

like, you know, drummed

32:48

up enough courage to come to a show knowing

32:50

that somebody's going to say something. Go

32:52

have at it. And it's what, you know, you're not

32:54

telling my, telling me I hope my

32:57

mother dies. You're just making bird noises, like, all

32:59

right, that's fine. Yeah, part of

33:01

the fun of being alive to entertain.

33:03

All right, it's an atmosphere. Sure, why

33:05

not? I don't know. No problem with

33:07

you. You mentioned opening for Maron. Who else did you open

33:09

with when you were a younger comedian that you learned from?

33:12

Oh, man, Patton Oswalt was great. He

33:15

was just, you know, as far as guys that

33:17

just love stand up so much. And obviously his

33:19

career is going on to, you

33:21

know, he's making movies and writing books and everything,

33:24

but he still loves stand up. Daniel Tosh taught

33:26

me a lot about the business. He

33:28

was a real like, tell

33:31

me how show business is pretty much like,

33:33

it's all made up. Like everything's made up. The movies are

33:35

made up, but also the business is made up. Like this

33:38

guy is going to take 15%. Why? Who

33:40

says? It's not a law. Yeah.

33:43

Tell him you can take this much. Like all these

33:45

numbers are just created. It's not

33:48

a law. These are fictional numbers and

33:50

fictional jobs that people have made up for themselves. Like, Oh,

33:52

well I can get you this job, but he's going to

33:54

get you that job and kind

33:56

of was like, if you're determined

33:59

enough, you can. You know, it's

34:02

all malleable in a way so that he

34:04

was valuable that way. Hmm But

34:06

I honestly Marin gave me a piece of advice when

34:08

he was big and he was like I thought he's

34:10

like should be playing Theaters and stuff and he's still

34:12

playing comedy clubs That's still buddies.

34:15

I'm like, why are you still playing comedy clubs? Like I need

34:17

new people to know who I am and

34:19

that changed my attitude on comedy clubs He

34:22

was like, oh, yeah, cuz you're now I

34:24

was like, no, I'm here on a Tuesday You

34:27

know Charlotte, so if you can't make it Tuesday,

34:29

you might never see me for three years Whereas

34:32

like well now if you play a comedy

34:34

club you give people five chances to see

34:36

you Hmm because they got to get

34:38

babysitters and they got to do this and they got if they want

34:40

to take a chance on seeing A comic they don't want to go

34:43

and to the weird punk venue on the

34:45

outskirts of town that they might have to stand for

34:47

Two hours like they want to sit and they want

34:49

to give like and it kind of

34:52

Open my eyes and change my perspective on that

34:54

so no that is a good point I learned

34:56

that a long time ago is people don't want

34:58

to go to Dumpy venues

35:00

to see you know comedians

35:02

bands, whatever they want to go to a nicer

35:04

place They really do if you play those places,

35:06

you'll draw better crowds Yeah, I mean just cuz

35:09

I liked it when I was 17. Yeah, I

35:11

mean that that's what the masses like I loved

35:13

scummy spot I still love a good scummy spot

35:16

I never trust a bar that looks real clean, you

35:18

know What a filthy

35:20

place. I want my glass sticking to the

35:22

bar. That's what I want What inspired you

35:24

to start getting into comedy in the first

35:27

place? I mean, that's obviously a big it's

35:29

a big step to go on stage and

35:31

tell jokes. What what inspires any of us?

35:35

Because I don't know I think I saw

35:37

I Saw the

35:39

all the alternate the alternate of like. Oh,

35:41

well you just get a job I didn't

35:44

have I don't know Did you have like did you

35:46

have something that you wanted to be when you were

35:48

younger that was like closer to like a real? Career

35:50

path. I don't think so. I always wanted to

35:53

be a wrestler and a musician That's kind of

35:55

you know, obviously I wanted to be a Secret

35:57

Service agent When Ronald Reagan.

36:00

You know attempted assassination but your ten years

36:02

old at the time he just looked at

36:04

a cool in on a mean but are

36:06

you were never guys out there now play

36:08

music and I have something in common with

36:10

his potential was sm can see out his

36:13

as books index what on that if he's

36:15

outside of played music and if I have

36:17

a camp for cancer gum of gigs keep

36:19

getting trampled on like I it's Id he

36:21

tried to kill the president's i three other

36:23

that that that's acceptable adjustable offense. Yeah I

36:25

don't really believe in the care for cancer

36:28

but the guy that was it as acid.

36:30

At one point that it would be a

36:32

sad can see why. Gigs I like we

36:34

might wanna John Hinckley Jr degree as a

36:36

musician Al yeah yeah he's out his out

36:38

try to book gigs will were put an

36:40

image you are multi verse or movies or

36:42

sir who that's a good call on this.

36:44

I mean they were touch now and they're

36:46

like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer something I think

36:48

those a nudge in the right direction. They

36:51

worked yeah like it worked. yeah I like.

36:53

I like this fantasy draft of just who

36:55

Should Be in this movie. But.

36:57

I yeah I just I never had a thing as a kid.

36:59

were like. Oh you know

37:01

what I'm going to be as an engineer?

37:03

Some with no I didn't have that, it

37:06

was just either. The. Wild

37:08

Ideas. You. Know like

37:10

yours like wrestler, a musician, or. I.

37:13

Guess I'd. Stay.

37:15

In this town and get whatever degree

37:17

that you get to go. would be

37:19

of manager some was a braille writer.

37:22

I gotta i gotta swing. I miss

37:24

a gotta swing on this idea. And

37:27

most people they they stop swinging. They.

37:30

Start swing and they get to high school

37:32

or something in that you let people tell

37:34

you like he gonna get the grades for

37:36

this and you gotta get you know you

37:38

go start worrying. I don't agree with that

37:40

system of like. You're. Eighteen go

37:43

to college right away. Cause.

37:45

Last year you in high school and your

37:47

been an absolute dip shit but now. You're.

37:49

Gonna go. Into at least

37:52

five figures, if not six figures. A

37:54

debt. Immediately as an eighteen

37:56

year old, right? and you're

37:58

going to change your major of utah I mean these

38:00

people I go to college in four years. What are

38:02

you doing? Take take your time Then

38:04

to look at like oh, and then I'm just gonna be in debt

38:07

in my early 20s For

38:09

an idea that I was told I needed to

38:11

commit to when I was 18. Mm-hmm. I

38:14

really liked You know the way

38:17

people else were like oh you're finished with primary school or what

38:19

they would call high school Go travel

38:21

for a year go

38:23

take a fraction of what you would spend

38:26

on college and Travel the

38:28

world and yeah, you're gonna party and you're gonna

38:30

do all that stuff but you might meet a

38:32

lot of people from different walks of life and

38:35

People that have different ideas of how the world

38:37

might work or how they fit in it whether

38:40

it be a career or something a passion

38:42

you might learn you have because For

38:45

most people up until you're 18. You're probably

38:47

really in the same town You know right

38:50

and you're around you're around the same group

38:52

of people from at least that's how

38:54

it was for me I never moved from childhood

38:56

to high school you're

38:58

around the same sphere of influence Mm-hmm,

39:01

and so you're never getting a you know, or maybe

39:03

it's your parents or something saying well You're gonna be

39:05

this you're gonna be this you like this you should

39:07

be this and you're never

39:09

getting exposed Granted this

39:11

is old man Kyle talking. I didn't have the internet

39:13

when I was in high school maybe now there is

39:15

an a easier way to sit there and just Mess

39:18

around on Instagram and see somebody that's got a job that you

39:21

never thought you could have But

39:23

seeing it in the real world and going and traveling

39:26

That I thought that was and that's so that's

39:28

why like so to bring it to the comedy thing

39:30

I started I always liked watching comedy. I had no

39:32

idea where you start comedy, right? I didn't know about

39:35

comedy clubs. I didn't know

39:38

Any of that stuff? So it was

39:40

that I read something I was working at a gas station

39:42

I read in the newspaper about an open mic and I

39:44

went and did the open mic and then I was like,

39:46

all right Well, I tried that thing and

39:49

then I was in I was in a college class

39:51

where I saw a guy from the open mic I'm like, so where

39:53

else do you do this? He's like, oh, there's shows all over you

39:55

do that. And so He

39:57

pointed me to the right direction where there was open. Once

39:59

I started doing that, I'm like, well, I'm going to

40:01

have to do this forever, whether I'm good at it

40:03

or not. It's like the people

40:06

you see that are at karaoke, they just love singing,

40:08

you know, Thursday nights, they still have their job

40:10

and everything, but Thursday nights, they got to do that thing.

40:13

That's what comedy was going to be for me. What

40:15

do you think, you know, as we start to

40:18

wind out here, you got a lot of great

40:20

stuff on your special. I love the idea of

40:22

like, you know, the presidents from the last eight

40:24

years have really cut down on the, you know,

40:26

try to kidnap the president movies. You

40:29

do some political humor. What

40:31

do you think about comedy now in 2024? Is

40:34

there more rules than there should be? It seems like

40:36

people get offended so much easier. Are we getting through

40:38

that? What's kind of the

40:40

path that you're thinking? I think the idea

40:42

of a heel has escalated. I

40:46

think you have some people that I

40:48

don't think there should be a part in politics

40:50

where it's like, yeah, I'm glad people hate me.

40:52

Like I don't, I think you should, you

40:55

know, try to appeal to people, but I don't think

40:57

you should revel in the fact

40:59

that you're despised by somebody else. I don't

41:01

think that's a

41:04

healthy approach to governance.

41:08

It's like, look, I'm angering the

41:10

people that are against me. Like, and

41:13

that, that applies to both sides. I

41:16

don't think anything's cancelable. I don't think, I think you

41:18

could say what you want, but you are

41:21

still subject to consequences. The government's not

41:23

telling you, you can't say something. This

41:25

is your beautiful free market. This is

41:27

your free market that

41:29

the free market dictates what it

41:32

wants to raise up and

41:34

put down. And

41:36

if you say something that more people want to put

41:39

down than raise up, then that's the

41:41

free market at work. So

41:43

I don't think there's rules. I

41:46

think that for, I think in

41:49

some instances, the best thing that could happen

41:51

is you can get canceled unjustly by either

41:53

side because that's just going to make you

41:55

more popular to the other side. Unfortunately, again,

41:58

you're playing, you're playing to sides. instead

42:00

of going, I would like, what

42:02

about comedy that makes fun of it all,

42:04

which is such lame and centrist, but I

42:07

know where I agree. Chad Daniels is a

42:09

comic that I think does this the best, but I

42:13

know the ideals and what I believe

42:15

in in this world and

42:17

how people should be treated. And

42:20

I can make jokes about that. I try not to

42:22

put down the other side too much. The first joke

42:24

in a special is putting down people

42:26

like, people don't tread on me

42:29

hats at Yellowstone National Park, but if you

42:31

listen to the whole joke, the whole thing

42:33

comes around and they're like, wait a minute,

42:36

I'm judging people without knowing

42:38

them, but I'm also being hypocritical.

42:40

So the whole joke ends with me going,

42:42

oh, I should probably lighten up. I'm

42:45

thinking, I know what people's deals are just because of

42:47

a hat that they wore because

42:49

of one overhead sentence because

42:52

I'm so easily judgeable by the things that I'm

42:55

presenting and if somebody walked by and just got

42:57

a snapshot of me and thought they had me

42:59

figured out, I'd be pretty upset about that. So

43:01

why am I doing that to other people? And

43:05

I think it's more that, I think

43:07

everything's so reactionary online and we just

43:09

read clickbait and headlines or watch a

43:11

three second clip of a video and

43:13

decide that we know the whole story

43:16

when nobody really searches for context

43:18

anymore. Like somebody

43:21

could take this podcast we're doing and clip out

43:23

three things and make us look however we wanna

43:25

look. And when they, oh,

43:27

you know, oh, Chris Jericho, Kyle Knane, Kyle

43:30

claims he was the leader of Russia for

43:32

eight years and then that'll go on Reddit

43:35

and nobody will watch the whole clip but

43:37

then the comments will be researched. Yeah, they'll

43:39

just go nuts in there and it's like,

43:41

yeah, nobody'll do that. So I

43:44

don't wanna fall victim of that. Like I still,

43:46

like this is, I'll say things that are funny.

43:48

I'll say things that I think hopefully

43:51

lift people up but not put other people down.

43:53

I don't believe in punching down. I

43:55

take swings but for every swing that I take,

43:57

I try to take one at myself. I'm

44:00

trying to keep the score even. So

44:02

that's kind of how I dictate it. I try

44:04

to keep the score even between whoever I'm making

44:06

a target to take

44:09

a shot at myself in the same moment.

44:11

So last few things you mentioned Daniel Tosh

44:13

and you know a couple of the

44:16

comedians that you respect. You know I'm

44:18

thinking of a guy even like Brad Williams like

44:20

in the last two or three years has just

44:22

exploded to getting to the next level. I mean

44:24

you're playing, I live in Tampa and you're going

44:26

to be in side splitters in a few weeks.

44:29

I used to go see Sebastian Maniscalco there ten

44:31

years ago and now he's headlining Madison Square

44:34

Garden on multiple nights. What

44:36

is it about a comic that gets them to the

44:38

next level, the next step and

44:40

do you want to go to that next

44:42

level and continue to grow to get to

44:44

that arena level? If

44:46

I knew what the next thing was, you'd think I'd

44:49

be sitting here in my dirty basement or

44:51

anything. I'd be out of my veranda having

44:53

this. Veranda. I

44:56

got you know you got to drop the five dollar words in there once

44:58

in a while. You know

45:00

what's funny about Sebastian is the first time

45:02

I say he's from like two towns over

45:04

from where I grew up. Oh wow okay.

45:06

And so I know exactly that I grew

45:08

up with every type of Sebastian there was

45:10

like so when he's doing

45:12

all this stuff I'm like oh I know that guy.

45:15

I went to high school with 30 of that guy

45:18

and so I always love seeing him because I

45:20

know he's doing this character but I'm also like

45:23

oh yeah if I met you at a banquet hall if I

45:25

was at a wedding at a banquet hall in Arlington Heights I

45:27

know that I'm like yeah I know you I know who you

45:30

are. That's why it

45:32

rules to see him blow up that way. I

45:35

don't know what makes

45:37

it. I think I think

45:39

Sebastian is very like okay just how I

45:41

know who that guy is I think everybody

45:44

knows a version of that guy. I like

45:46

that yeah. And so that's why it's so

45:48

relatable like oh that's like so

45:50

and so's cousin or this and that

45:52

is this incredulous Italian

45:54

guy can you believe the things

45:56

you know. And

45:59

everybody knows that guy. they're seeing the

46:01

version of that guy. I

46:03

think I have too many opinions that I

46:06

think I keep everybody at arm's length. I'm going

46:08

to say something that somebody's going to be like,

46:10

yeah, right. I don't need to talk to anybody.

46:14

For those guys, I'm actually, it's funny enough,

46:16

I'm going to go see Tom Segura at

46:18

the Moda Center where the Trailblazers play Sunday.

46:21

My buddy Jeff Tate's open forum. I'm

46:23

like, I want to see, I've never been to

46:26

a comedy show in a venue. I

46:29

take that back. I opened for the impractical

46:31

jokers at the same

46:33

place I saw Lollapalooza in

46:35

1994. And

46:37

I bombed, 12,000 people. I bombed

46:39

in front of 12,000 people. Wow. What

46:43

a feeling. You

46:45

wear that dirty jacket for a while. That

46:49

takes a few showers to wash off. Yeah,

46:53

I don't know. I'm curious to see how

46:55

it goes. I do think there's an

46:58

intimacy to comedy. Everybody

47:02

marks David Tell as that guy should be

47:04

in theaters. David Tell should be huge. Every

47:08

comedian is going to tell you that that's

47:10

the best comic working, without a doubt, is

47:12

David Tell. But there's

47:14

also, it's

47:17

such a better show to watch him in a

47:19

club. And that's where he's comfortable, so that's where

47:21

he's performing the best. And

47:23

it's just, I don't know.

47:26

I think comedy translates better in smaller venues.

47:28

Granted, that's from a guy who's not getting

47:30

offered bigger venues. So that's why I can

47:32

say that. Yeah, and it's funny you mentioned

47:34

your buddy Jeff Tate is open. I'm like,

47:36

Jeff Tate? And I look at his Jeff

47:38

Tate belt. Yeah, not the guy

47:40

from Queens, right? Yeah, he's not going

47:43

to belt out Jet City Woman when he's up

47:45

there. Last

47:47

question for you, Kyle. What's

47:50

your favorite bit from Dirt Nap? And we've discussed

47:52

quite a few things. Is there one

47:54

of the parts in there that you

47:56

like the best? Well, I mean, that whole special was

47:58

initially going to be... just me talking

48:00

about the suburbs and getting the cat.

48:02

Like that whole, the

48:05

last 45 minutes of the special is

48:07

pretty much one story with a lot

48:09

of tangents. And

48:11

that's how I'm kind of gravitating

48:13

towards it. That's like more fun for me

48:15

to do is like build this whole world

48:17

and keep coming back to the main storyline

48:19

of it. And like, I'll

48:21

go on tangents, but remember, we're still talking about this.

48:24

And so honestly, that was just going to be that. I

48:26

just threw the other stuff on because I'm like, oh, I

48:28

can make a 45 minute special, or

48:31

I can just I got these other jokes. So the beginning, the first,

48:34

the Fast and the Furious is one bit. And the

48:36

first five minutes is a different

48:38

bit. And then the rest of that special is

48:40

one story with a lot of

48:42

jokes in it. But it's

48:45

that's a whole show, in my opinion. And

48:47

I like I like that. I like bringing

48:49

things together in a larger scope, like, like,

48:51

okay, here, sit down. You're gonna laugh. But

48:53

keep in mind, I'm gonna be talking about

48:56

one story. One thing, well,

48:58

a lot of offshoots. The one main road with a

49:00

lot of cul-de-sacs coming off of it. But

49:04

that I was really proud of

49:06

the way that whole thing came together and followed

49:09

a narrative. So, and hopefully,

49:11

I like the jokes about my parents. Hopefully they're

49:13

not too pissed that up. It

49:15

was your mom called words from friends or

49:17

words from friends. I

49:19

don't want to ruin

49:21

the joke, but Dev

49:24

is something special. Dude, it's great talking

49:26

to you, man. And congratulations on Dirt

49:28

Nap. And let's get

49:30

together and put together our

49:32

ultimate multi-universe picture. Multiverse picture.

49:34

I love it, man. Let's get some legal pads out

49:36

on the beach in Tampa and just knock this thing

49:38

out in afternoon. I appreciate it, man. If I'm in

49:40

town, I'll buzz you. I'll come and see it. Sidesploiters,

49:42

we go there all the time. Brian's a good guy.

49:44

It runs the place. I've heard nothing but good things

49:46

about that spot. So sounds good. Yeah, you'll like it,

49:49

man. It's fun. All right, man. Congratulations.

49:52

Thanks, dude.