This week on System Update, Glenn Greenwald talks to Shant Mesrobian, formerly with the Obama 2008 campaign and current co-host of ‘The Backchannel’, about the disdain establishment liberals and mainstream journalists express for Joe Rogan, and how his platform has been growing in importance despite this.

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Chapters:00:00:00 Intro Sequence 00:00:10 Glenn's Monologue00:12:30 Conversation with Shant Mesrobian01:09:28 End Credits