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I'm Tracy B. Wilson. We

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talked about the Bradley Martin fall this week. I

2:03

have mixed feelings about it. Yeah?

2:06

Yeah, I mean there's part of me that would love to

2:08

go to an event like this. It sounds amazing. And

2:11

I also recognize that it sounds wasteful as

2:14

hell. And like, yeah, and the

2:16

whole idea of like, uh,

2:19

no, no, this is benevolent. It's

2:21

good for people. It's such a mixed

2:23

bag and kind of short sighted. Last

2:27

summer, I was

2:29

invited to an event that was

2:31

like a garden tour in

2:33

Boston that I didn't

2:36

realize until I was there

2:39

was an event for donors,

2:44

which I am one of. But

2:48

I very quickly realized, uh,

2:50

not of the same caliber as

2:52

some of the other people there. Right.

2:55

And so I was like, oh, I'm not going to be

2:57

able to go to a concert and have a concert with

3:03

people whose names are on the buildings. Yeah. And

3:06

like, everyone was nice. Nobody seems

3:09

awful in a like really overt way, but like I did

3:11

kind of, um, overhear this

3:15

conversation about like, whether Doha is the best airport

3:18

to fly through as though it

3:23

was a great experience. And I was just like,

3:25

I, so this, this

3:28

level of opulence, I feel like would

3:30

be 10 jillion times more opulent

3:32

than the garden tour for donors.

3:34

I went on. Uh,

3:38

and I think I would mostly feel very

3:40

uncomfortable. Well that's why you would not be part of

3:42

the 400. Yeah. Because

3:44

that was kind of part of

3:46

the criteria, right? Was that according

3:48

to Ward McAllister, if you seemed like you would

3:51

be uncomfortable at an event, you would not make

3:53

the list. If you seemed like you

3:55

would be comfortable at the event, but you might make

3:57

other people uncomfortable at the event, you would not make

3:59

the list. Like you had to be

4:01

wealthy and chill in those

4:03

circumstances to be part

4:06

of the magic list. That

4:10

list, the 400 is based on his theory

4:12

that there were about 400 people

4:14

give or take in New York that

4:16

were really like the right people. That's

4:19

come up, yeah. I don't remember where, but like-

4:21

Yeah, it's popped up on the show before. It's

4:23

popped up on the show before and when I

4:25

first heard it I was like, are you serious

4:27

this was a real thing? Yes, it was a

4:29

real thing. I mean this is

4:31

part of why I would like to talk about Ward

4:33

McAllister because he is a weird

4:36

case of a human who just decided

4:38

they were the boss of that. Like

4:41

I am the boss of who is and who

4:44

isn't in New York. Yeah, I'm the boss of

4:46

what society is. Right. Like

4:49

the high society. And like people were like,

4:51

all right, I guess you are. I mean

4:53

he like aligned himself with Mrs. Astor and

4:55

they were BFFs for a while. They had

4:57

a big falling out towards the end of

5:00

his life. And

5:02

he had died two years I think before this

5:04

ball happened. So he was out of the picture

5:06

to give his opinion on it.

5:09

But like just that whole concept of

5:11

like, I have only done

5:13

a little bit of research into his life, but it

5:15

seems like he only did like two years of actual

5:17

work where he was like a lawyer for a couple years and

5:19

then was like, I'm just going

5:21

to boss people around about whether or not they're cool. And

5:24

I'm like, you're like a professional mean girl. How

5:27

do you make that your job description?

5:30

I don't understand. You made a formal

5:32

mean girl hierarchy for New York. Yeah,

5:34

essentially like New York was his slam

5:36

book. I'm so

5:38

fascinated by that whole thing. As

5:40

much as like, I will say, right, I

5:42

am loving the Gilded Age. Like I said,

5:45

I blazed through the whole thing. But

5:49

it's also one of those things where I'm like, I

5:51

hate all these people. I hate the hierarchy. Like

5:55

even the good ones are like.

5:57

Yeah. Yeah. like

6:00

the idea of clinging to these

6:02

weird ideas of who is and

6:04

isn't important, based on whether or not

6:06

someone else is willing to go to

6:08

their house. I'm like, this is nonsense.

6:11

I would be a nightmare in that

6:13

kingdom. I would be, yeah.

6:16

I also just felt like the whole argument

6:18

of like, we're going to have a gigantic

6:20

party to give work to the people that

6:22

work in these industries. It was like a

6:25

very trickle down economic justification for having this

6:27

party. Yes, 100%. And

6:30

I was like, yeah, I was annoyed by

6:32

the concept from the beginning. Of course. So

6:36

here's an odd thing that makes research

6:39

not difficult, but it becomes

6:41

a head scratcher. Sometimes

6:45

you see Bradley Martin, which his

6:48

name was Bradley Martin, but

6:50

you will see the names

6:52

Bradley Martin with a hyphen between them. Yeah,

6:54

I thought hyphenated a lot. And

6:57

I don't know what that is.

6:59

I saw one book that said

7:01

that Cornelia hyphenated her last

7:04

name as Bradley Martin, but I didn't see anything to

7:06

back that up. So I'm not sure

7:08

if that was like an offhanded quip by

7:10

the author or if she actually did. Some

7:13

papers had it with the hyphen, some did

7:15

not. It leads you to the false thought

7:17

that there are two people named Mr. Bradley

7:19

and Mr. Martin who are paying for this

7:21

whole thing. That's what I thought. That's what I

7:24

thought when I first encountered this years ago. And

7:26

then I was like, wait, it's just a guy

7:28

named Bradley Martin. Okay. Even when

7:30

I started reading your outline, I somehow like

7:32

just glazed past the fact that his first

7:34

name was Bradley. And so we were

7:36

three or four paragraphs in and I was like, wait,

7:38

we've been talking about Martin. Who's Bradley though? It's the

7:40

same guy. It's the

7:42

color coming from inside the

7:45

house. I'm like, were you

7:47

just confused about like the

7:49

sort of AP style-esque rule

7:51

about how compound modifiers coming

7:53

before get hyphenated because we

7:55

don't do that with people's proper names.

7:58

No. And I'm not sure what

8:00

the scoop is there to be honest. I

8:03

also thought I almost put it in

8:05

the thing but I didn't really ever

8:07

find anything definitive. This

8:10

idea of like these all-night parties that

8:12

were very popular. Yeah. My

8:14

understanding and again I read

8:17

this somewhere online and I'm not sure

8:20

where and I didn't

8:22

ever find like a true historical reason.

8:25

Uh-huh. It was just to

8:27

basically go like we don't have to get

8:29

up and go to work. We can party

8:31

until 6 a.m. and then go home and

8:33

sleep. I haven't looked into this

8:35

at all but I

8:37

do know that like all the

8:39

balls that happen in Jane Austen

8:42

novels uh-huh

8:44

often started very late

8:46

at night and would really dance through

8:48

the night and I

8:50

don't think I had really thought about like a

8:53

why that worked that way but I kind of

8:55

wonder if the timing of this ball was a

8:57

pattern patterned after

8:59

the way that it worked in. Well

9:02

this was not an outlier in New York at the

9:04

time. That's what I'm saying like like that I didn't

9:07

express it very well but what I was trying to

9:09

say is like these kinds of events if

9:11

they were just basically following what was established

9:13

as the pattern in in like

9:16

Britain in terms

9:18

of how society functions operated and when they

9:20

started and when they ended. Right

9:23

but why did those do that? That's what I'm

9:25

saying like going all the way back. Yeah. Because

9:27

people did not have to get up and go

9:29

to a nine-to-fiver. Yeah.

9:32

I love that idea it's kind of my personal

9:34

hours if I'm left to my own devices and

9:36

don't have to function in society so I'm I'm

9:38

down with this plan. Not me. The idea of

9:40

like a 1230 to 5 a.m. breakfast service sounds

9:44

amazing or supper service. Yeah

9:47

those two we mentioned the two different line items

9:49

for supper and buffet supper

9:51

and one with the cheaper

9:54

of the two which was I think the buffet

9:56

supper was like lighter fare it was like light

9:59

light sandwiches you could kind of grab and

10:01

go versus sitting at one of

10:03

the actual tables and having people wait on

10:05

you. Sure. All of this sounds amazing. I'm

10:07

in for it. I'm

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12:29

the papers were covering everything and the weeks leading

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up to it. Okay, and there

12:34

was one rumor that started and the florists of

12:36

the city were like, shut up you guys you

12:38

don't know what you're talking about this isn't real

12:40

this is not really a problem. Which is that

12:42

the rumor had started that

12:45

someone or someones going to the

12:47

ball had read about Tulip Mania

12:49

and were like, we need all of the

12:52

tulips. I

12:54

do love this detail. It is

12:56

fun because they're like France love tulips. We

12:58

love that we need all the tulips and

13:00

one of the florists going that's not really

13:02

a problem. We're fine. Mm-hmm. Like there's

13:04

a whole rose problem going on

13:06

but tulips are not an issue and

13:08

also France wasn't really in on that whole

13:11

thing the way like Germany and all.

13:14

So like I don't know where you're getting your

13:16

information but it's it's not legit and I just

13:19

sort of loved this idea of this poor beleaguered

13:21

florist who was like, I'm not

13:23

taking any more orders and you don't know what

13:25

you're talking about. Can you stop asking me questions

13:27

so I can finish my work and

13:29

maybe chuckle a little bit. Yeah, we

13:32

already talked about how on the nose. I thought all

13:34

of the re-infinite

13:36

costumes were and you had already put that

13:38

in the outline, which I knew but I

13:40

wanted to say it anyway because I just

13:43

was like, yes, yes, everyone

13:45

dressed like Marie Antoinette. Of course they did.

13:47

Listen, I get it. Who

13:50

doesn't love those outfits? I love them. In

13:52

terms of like the the

13:55

expected hubbub and potential riot,

13:57

there were a lot of people who were like, I

14:00

read in one account, but it was so sort

14:02

of flimsy and not substantiated that there was one

14:05

person arrested outside who

14:07

was a black man who is allegedly named

14:09

George Walker who just sounded like he was like,

14:12

get out of my way. Like this,

14:14

you're blocking the street. And that he

14:16

shoved somebody, but like there's nothing, even

14:19

the way the paper reported it is like,

14:21

we heard that this happened, but there was

14:23

no, like they didn't have anyone from the

14:25

police to corroborate that. They didn't have anything

14:27

other than a guy

14:30

said. So

14:32

I don't know if anything like that happened at

14:34

all. I'm sure if anything did,

14:38

nobody wanted it to be known. There

14:42

are pictures and the photographs

14:45

are cool, except some of them are like, yikes,

14:48

appropriation, yikes. So

14:51

if you go looking for pictures from this ball, just

14:53

be ready. Some of these costumes

14:55

look incredible, but they

14:57

are people doing things like play

14:59

acting Native Americans and like, again,

15:02

in gorgeous costumes that probably

15:06

don't know anything about that culture and are just

15:08

like, there was like a dude, a banker

15:10

who dressed as a Native American and shaved

15:12

his head and looks incredible

15:15

in the picture, I will say. And

15:17

it's also just a gorgeous photograph in terms

15:19

of like artistic composition, but like

15:22

it's a yikes. It's a yikes on bikes. There's

15:29

so there was so much money in that room. It's

15:32

wild to me. Me too. It's wild. You

15:36

know, there's rich and then there's like redonkadoodle

15:39

rich. This

15:42

drove right up to

15:44

the line of good taste and then

15:46

it popped a wheelie and went over

15:48

it. It just like went went beyond,

15:51

beyond, beyond. Right. Which

15:53

again, there's part of me that's like, OK,

15:56

get in the time machine because I just want to be there

15:58

and see it. Yeah. because I do

16:00

love a party and I do love beautiful clothes. I

16:04

just don't want to be part of the

16:06

whole justification that like, no we're helping people

16:08

by having this, having so much

16:10

fun. Yikes, you can't

16:12

see me kind of wincing but... Yeah,

16:20

I really really like that rabbi's take of

16:22

like, I get it, I understand

16:24

it, but like you could do better stuff with your

16:26

money that would actually help people. We

16:29

also didn't mention it, right, this was after like

16:32

a stock market crash that happened in

16:34

what, like 1893? And like

16:37

New York just had not recovered financially, which

16:39

is why so many people were really struggling.

16:43

But again, you can't, that

16:46

one night is not going to fix stuff. It's like

16:48

great for a couple weeks and

16:50

then all those people will go back to struggling because

16:52

they probably use that money to get caught up on

16:54

all the stuff they were behind on. Yeah. That's

16:58

not how it works. Yeah.

17:01

I do sort of crack up at the fact that after

17:04

this the Bradley Martins were like, everyone's

17:07

mean to us now, we're out! We're

17:10

gonna go away! Take

17:12

our money somewhere else. And

17:14

they did. A live, presumably

17:17

a great and fun life

17:19

in London. Yeah. Sounds

17:22

amazing. Must be nice, I guess.

17:24

Yeah. Anyway. I'm

17:29

tickled by the whole weirdness of it. It's just

17:31

so goofy. And we'll

17:33

see what happens on the Gilded Age. Maybe they'll get right up

17:35

to that. That'll be the finale of the whole series.

17:37

I don't know. I know we

17:39

have a season three coming, but I don't

17:42

know where that's going. Right. It's so good

17:44

though. Oh, it's really good. That

17:47

show is satisfying in a way that I

17:49

think you would enjoy. Yeah. I think I've

17:52

had intentions to watch it and there's just

17:54

like a finite amount of time to

17:58

do things in. Yeah. There

18:01

are certainly sad things that happen on it,

18:04

but overall, things

18:07

tend to end in upbeat places. Okay.

18:10

In a way that's not too fairy-tale-y, although

18:12

there's a thing that happens at the end

18:14

of Season 2 where I'm like, that is convenient, and

18:16

it is, but you're kind of happy about it. Alright.

18:21

Anyway, this is

18:23

yet another show that I picked up on a flight

18:26

and then came home and became obsessed with. I

18:28

was just thinking I'm supposed to have a flight

18:30

soon and maybe I will preload some of that

18:33

on my iPad. Well, if you're flying Delta, it's

18:35

in your Inflight. I am not because it's not

18:37

an option. Oh, foosball.

18:40

Well, I

18:42

don't know about other airlines. If

18:44

you live in Atlanta, you're kind of Delta Airbus. That's

18:46

not true, but tell me it is. Yeah,

18:48

I had one option, and

18:51

it was a Delta. No. I'm

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I got to talk to Rachel Lambs this week.

21:12

Yeah, you did. I like her heaps.

21:15

I do too. So that made for a

21:17

very fun time for me. I do too. This

21:19

book is... Some

21:22

of it's real hard to read. Yeah. I

21:24

mean, it's amazing. Like,

21:26

some of the stuff those people went through is...

21:29

I said it during the interview. It's harrowing. But

21:32

it's like that stuff that makes my entire body kind of

21:34

stiff and nervous. Right.

21:36

Because I enjoy comfort. I

21:40

have not read this book. I did

21:42

read her other book, obviously, before doing

21:44

the other interview with her about it. I

21:47

just... I didn't think I

21:49

had the wherewithal to read the book

21:51

at this time. That

21:54

was also going to be out of the office for a little bit. So

21:57

Holly took the lead on this one. Yeah,

22:00

it actually worked out great because you were going to

22:02

be gone during a week that worked best for the

22:04

record on her end. And

22:07

I was like, okay, we'll just do it. It all

22:09

aligns. It all worked out just fine. So

22:13

I have listened to the interview though, uh,

22:17

as a little behind the scenes of behind the scenes.

22:19

Normally when we record the behind the scenes part

22:21

of our episode, like we record the

22:24

episode and immediately after Holly

22:26

and I record the behind the scenes.

22:28

Tracy, you're ruining the illusion that we

22:31

meet on Friday and discuss the week.

22:33

Have a separate time. Yeah, it

22:35

just doesn't work. There's too much other stuff. No, uh,

22:38

that's also why a lot of times if a,

22:40

if an episode comes out and

22:42

we make a mistake in it, there's

22:44

not going to be acknowledgement of that

22:47

mistake on Friday because we don't know

22:49

it happened yet. Right. Um,

22:52

so we'll, we'll get corrections sometimes where people

22:54

will say you could, you can say this on

22:56

your Friday episode. It's like the Friday episode is

22:59

our, it's already done. Uh, but in

23:01

this case though, I had not read the book or

23:03

heard the interview and it was like, what are we

23:05

going to talk about? So we delayed this discussion.

23:09

Yeah. This one is actually later in the game.

23:11

Yeah. Uh, as I was

23:13

listening, something that

23:15

I misunderstood, there's a conversation

23:17

about how, uh, during

23:20

the blitz, there were people

23:22

who sort of, uh, in,

23:25

in England, who sort of approached the

23:27

blitz. The way some folks approached the,

23:30

uh, you know, the early COVID-19 pandemic

23:32

when everything was shut down and,

23:34

and people were like, there were people

23:36

who were like, this, it seemed, everything seems

23:38

fine and didn't really, weren't

23:41

living in the same world of a pandemic that

23:43

some of the others of us were living in. And

23:46

I had interpreted that as being

23:49

significant numbers of people in London

23:51

who were

23:53

somehow unaware of the blitz happening.

23:56

And it's possible. Not

23:59

what she was saying at all. first of all,

24:01

to be clear. And it is certainly possible that

24:03

there were folks in London who were, you know,

24:05

somehow so wrapped up in their own stuff going

24:07

on that they were not fully cognizant of everything

24:10

that was happening. But no, she

24:12

was talking about, you

24:14

know, when people were evacuating out to the

24:16

country, folks in the country being like, but

24:18

it seems fine here, like, yeah,

24:21

yeah, everything's okay. I mean, the

24:23

war won't come to us. And it's like, it

24:25

is, it is at us. Yeah, I

24:28

was really I was sort of imagining

24:30

somebody standing in London next to a

24:32

smoldering crater being like, I don't know

24:34

what you're talking about a blitz thing.

24:36

I mean, listen, trauma denial is real.

24:38

That is true. But I

24:40

don't think large numbers of people in London

24:43

were doing that. No, no, she Yeah, she

24:45

was was discussing how

24:47

jolting that was for people when they

24:49

moved out of the city. Yeah. And

24:51

in particular, this team had moved their

24:53

lab outside of the city. Yeah. As

24:55

things were getting worse and worse. And

24:58

they were just like, strangers

25:01

in a strange land where nobody was

25:03

really at the

25:05

level of anxiety and

25:07

stress that everyone in London was

25:09

living at. And it was like,

25:11

people were just having life. You're

25:13

all very relaxed out here. What is

25:16

this? But really serious stuff is going

25:18

on. Yeah. Yeah. Of

25:21

all the stories of scientists

25:24

that Rachel shared with you in this interview,

25:26

I was most delighted by

25:28

the one who would just go up to

25:30

people's houses and ask to look for salamanders.

25:32

Yeah, I was 100% on board with this.

25:36

I am friends with people who I am certain would

25:38

do this. And

25:40

like when we were in Texas to try

25:42

to see the eclipse, which didn't fully go

25:44

as planned. We went

25:46

out every night looking for scorpions with a

25:49

black light. So I was very much here

25:51

for the salamander exploring. Maybe not

25:53

so much for announcing that she was

25:55

going to marry the professor, but very

25:59

excited about that. salamander excitement.

26:02

Yeah, all of the people, I mentioned it to

26:04

Rachel, but all of the people in this book

26:06

that were on this team were just almost

26:09

criminally interesting. Yeah. I am

26:11

fascinated by them and you see

26:14

why it becomes clear that

26:17

they all were

26:20

the perfect assortment of folks to

26:22

be working together because they were

26:24

all a little bit oddball varying

26:27

degrees, which I say would love.

26:29

That's not a disparaging or

26:31

pejorative term at all, but

26:34

like I think they just had an

26:36

innate understanding of the otherism

26:38

that all of them were living in. So

26:40

nobody felt like they were being judged by

26:42

their peers in that group, which is pretty

26:44

great. Yeah. And probably why they were all

26:47

so good at just taking

26:49

leaps of faith together. Right. Some

26:51

of which were horrifying. It

26:59

is so fascinating to me though. I really,

27:02

I mentioned it and I love Rachel's writing

27:04

so much because one of the things that

27:06

she does in her narrative style, and I

27:09

didn't read all of In the Waves her previous book,

27:11

so tell me if this was the case there. For

27:14

kind of, we had like the opposite scenario. Right, we did.

27:17

This time, till last time. Because last time I was

27:19

like, I can't read a book right now. Like

27:21

I have too many things going on. But

27:24

she'll set things up where

27:27

you're like, wait, did I just read that? And then

27:29

she will explain it, which is kind of a great

27:31

way to hook you. Like

27:33

the story she talked about with the lit

27:35

cigarette. Yeah. She just,

27:38

she doesn't explain why he does it

27:40

initially. She's like, so of course his

27:42

doctor handed him a lit cigarette. And

27:44

I was like, whoa! Like I made

27:46

a total scooby-doo noise while I was

27:48

reading the book. And then she then

27:50

goes on to explain why she did

27:53

on the show. And I was like, oh,

27:55

this is a smart way to structure these

27:57

discussions because Yeah, it does make your

27:59

brain go. Ah What!

28:01

An. Idea. For make a Scooby

28:03

Doo noise. True. Less.

28:06

Am I. Am

28:09

also. My. Biggest fear

28:11

in the lake. What is the worst

28:13

way to die Universe A Her. Drowning.

28:17

Okay, And so all

28:19

of this is easy. It's all.

28:21

Of these stories were very. White luckily

28:23

for me. Ah yes. You

28:26

know the stories of like. The

28:28

horrible things that it happened to

28:30

precipitate the formation of this group.

28:33

Francis's Love. That it's a a a

28:35

group of to nemesis the end up

28:37

doing this work. Yeah when they

28:39

the minute I don't I don't

28:41

remember which specific. Thing. I

28:43

why I read. I

28:46

hadn't realized that it was specifically

28:48

geneticists. And I had that moment

28:50

where I was like, wow. How did

28:52

the geneticists get on this? Because.

28:55

That seems like. A different

28:58

field semi like. It

29:00

is. Yeah, there's a really great quote and

29:02

I was gonna ask great deal about it

29:04

but we were running long and so I

29:06

didn't because it really didn't add that led

29:08

to the conversation. But there is a great

29:10

quote in the book from one of the

29:13

scientists. Were he. Saying like.

29:16

Look. At war, it doesn't really matter

29:18

what your specialty is, What matters is

29:20

can you apply the scientific method to

29:22

solving problems right? And it's like, oh,

29:24

that. Does make a lot of sense. Like these are

29:26

all people that are used to figuring. Stuff out. So

29:28

even though this may not be in their.

29:31

Specificity Wheelhouse Some they they

29:34

do have a fundamental grasp.

29:36

Of sought abroad science right? They understand

29:38

how like things like air and water

29:40

pressure were him and all of that

29:42

even if it's not with they have

29:45

been focusing on in their. Careers and

29:47

them for them to just pivot. From.

29:50

All. Of their biological specimens to then going.

29:52

Okay, so we have a water problem right

29:54

going on here. How can we fix this?

29:57

And illegal of course. It probably was kind

29:59

of like. I mean, for me,

30:01

and we've talked about the way I work on this

30:03

show before and how it seems a little bit disjointed

30:06

to some people. For

30:08

me, this honestly is like, oh, I bet this

30:10

made them better at both jobs. Yeah. Because

30:13

I need to switch gears pretty frequently or

30:15

I get, I just sputter out. I

30:18

don't think that's necessarily any of

30:20

their personality or work style types,

30:22

but I do think

30:26

this gets into the discussion of

30:28

multitasking, which is fraught.

30:30

Right. Right. Right.

30:34

I'm still talking about briefly if

30:36

we want to, but I do think

30:38

when you leave a thing that you've

30:40

been puzzling over, focus on something completely

30:42

different and then come back, often a new

30:45

perspective is revealed to you that often can get

30:47

you over that hump that you may have been

30:49

at in terms of a roadblock.

30:52

By the way, multitasking is, if

30:54

you want to start an argument, tell

30:57

people you multitask. Because the thing

30:59

is, there are studies that are

31:01

like, no, if you're actually multitasking, you're

31:03

doing not

31:05

as good a job at everything, kind of. But

31:09

to me, it's

31:12

not so much I'm doing multiple things at once,

31:14

it's that I'm changing constantly. It's

31:16

not like I'm trying to write

31:19

and read a book while I am also

31:21

sewing. There are two different things that I

31:23

alternate. Because

31:26

different parts of my brain get fired and then I

31:28

can solve problems

31:31

better. I also, obviously I cannot

31:33

speak knowledgeably on the entire field

31:35

of neurology and

31:38

all of that. What?

31:41

You didn't get a quick degree while you were out. I

31:43

went and got a PhD while I was on vacation. No,

31:45

I'm kidding. Don't yell

31:47

at me if you actually got a PhD. I

31:49

know how much work that is. I

31:53

feel like a lot of the studies that

31:56

are on those type of things, so many

31:58

of them happen on college campuses. and

32:00

a lot of the people being studied are

32:02

like undergraduates getting extra credit and

32:05

if you have a cohort for your study

32:07

which is like a bunch of people with

32:09

ADHD you're probably going to have very different

32:11

results in terms of what works for people.

32:14

Yeah. Yeah.

32:17

This has come up on the show before completely

32:20

unrelated to science but just where we've talked about

32:22

recognizing like people

32:24

that ended up achieving big things late

32:26

in their life people didn't realize when

32:28

they were young that like the standard

32:31

method of education at the time was

32:33

not gonna work for them. Right. Because we

32:36

hadn't really gotten into the

32:38

level of educational research and study

32:40

and how how the brain

32:42

functions at that point so and I

32:44

would say there's still a ton that

32:47

we really don't know about how people

32:49

learn. For sure. Yeah. For sure. And

32:52

I think that's it's so

32:55

individual from person to person.

32:57

What works for you will

32:59

not work for your you

33:01

know closest friend will not work

33:03

for their sibling will not work

33:05

like yeah it's I

33:08

I appreciate that there is a level

33:10

of challenge at

33:12

this point in any caring

33:15

education system to try to address

33:17

all of the disparate kind

33:20

of optimal scenarios that would really

33:22

really help all of the people

33:24

in their classes function at their

33:26

best. Right. That's

33:28

hard. Yeah. Yeah.

33:31

We love you. I'm sorry your job is

33:33

so hard and not appreciated or paid enough

33:35

for what you do. I

33:42

will say if you are looking for

33:44

a fun read. It's a

33:47

good one. Yeah. It's doing very very well.

33:49

It's selling very well. It's on lots of

33:52

lists. So I'm pleased and I'm not surprised

33:54

because it is quite compelling. Yeah. I really

33:56

enjoyed the

33:58

name of the other one. in the way of Japanese debates.

34:01

In the way. In the way.

34:03

I'm going to have multiple incorrect prepositions at the beginning

34:05

of it. I didn't like

34:07

reading that book quite a lot. Well,

34:12

if you're looking for something to read and

34:14

you're okay with hearing about people breaking

34:17

their bones and other

34:20

things while they pursue

34:22

advancements in science, it's a great one. Yeah.

34:25

Yeah. It's worth it alone for

34:28

all the quotes from those scientists because they are a

34:30

pithy, interesting group. So

34:32

highly recommend. If you have

34:34

time off this weekend, it's a great time to

34:36

read a book. If you are into reading books,

34:38

if you don't have time off, maybe sneak a

34:40

couple pages in again. If you're into reading books,

34:42

you're not into reading books or you don't have

34:44

time off. Do whatever is going to optimize that

34:46

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34:49

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