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Hello, welcome back to the show.

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My name is Matt, my name is Nola. They

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call me Bed. We're joined as always with

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our super producer Paul, Mission controlled

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decand folks. Serious warning,

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serious disclaimer. Tonight's episode

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may not be for all lizard people. Have

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you ever felt like there was some secret group

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running the world. I think most of us have at

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some point, right.

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Yeah, it's got many names, right, the

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Illuminati, perhaps.

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They they they live

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them you know, yes, I

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haven't seen they live. I'm so familiar

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with the it all with.

1:01

That's sort of almost a lizard people kind of vibe,

1:03

right, like the yeah.

1:05

Yeah and this h and also

1:08

Matt, I appreciate the shout out to they the

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stars of the show. The stuff they don't want you

1:12

to know. In tonight's episode,

1:15

we're exploring one of the most long running

1:17

genres of conspiracy on the planet,

1:19

the idea that some shadowy cabal

1:22

really does run the world, A

1:24

cabal that may not be entirely

1:26

human. Only rowdy rowdy piper

1:28

can save us. Here

1:37

are the facts I mean, of course,

1:39

right, if you're if you're an intelligent

1:41

person, you look around. Most people

1:43

are intelligent. You look around, and at

1:45

one point or another in your life you

1:48

think somebody might

1:50

really be running the show, you know what

1:52

I mean, something like how

1:54

much of a democracy is given insert

1:56

giving country here? How much power to

1:58

the people actually have? And the

2:01

stuff we have to get out of the way immediately is

2:04

there's a grain of truth to this

2:07

genre of belief and accusation. It's

2:09

just the specifics where things get

2:11

sticky. Does that sound fair? Yeah?

2:13

We look around and we see the society,

2:16

no matter where you live, is built around

2:19

the people that control things. And

2:21

then you realize, oh wait, a lot

2:24

of the people who are really important have

2:26

these like social clubs that they hang out

2:28

at. Oh wait, a lot of these really important

2:30

people go to these fancy

2:32

restaurants that I and my family

2:34

can't get into. You just start to

2:36

see it and you start to feel, wow, there really

2:38

is maybe there is something bigger to

2:41

this.

2:41

Well you guys doo, I mean, you know, talking about the little

2:43

secret kind of societies and social clubs

2:46

and all.

2:46

That, But what about colleges.

2:49

Think about that.

2:50

That's one of the biggest social clubs of all

2:52

that are very exclusive and hard to get into

2:54

and have kind of legacy histories

2:57

of acceptance.

2:58

Right, and dynasties within

3:00

families. That's because of those colleges, because

3:02

all those social positionings.

3:05

Yeah, the simple sociological

3:07

answer would be that people, despite

3:10

what people say, they

3:12

like to hang out with other people like them.

3:15

You hang out with people that you share things

3:17

in common with, or that you believe you

3:19

will share things in common with. However,

3:22

that answer is kind of boring

3:24

to a lot of other folks, so they want more

3:27

to the story. This is where we hear people

3:29

accusing, you know, wealthy dynasties

3:32

like the House of Saud or the Rockefellers

3:34

of being a true global power behind

3:37

the throne, and the argument good.

3:39

The argument is almost ancient aliens

3:42

in its prejudice, because it's like this

3:45

particular group of families couldn't

3:48

have been successful on their own. They

3:50

have to have some sort of diabolical secret.

3:53

They worship infertile powers,

3:55

or they are aliens or time travelers,

3:58

or all the racist stuff I thought earlier was

4:00

right.

4:03

Yeah, but when in reality, I

4:05

guess it's just the resources that members

4:08

of their family extracted a long time ago

4:10

and then built.

4:11

Well phone m Yeah

4:13

name. You know. It's possible

4:15

to name one self made billionaire,

4:19

but name six.

4:22

I'm hard pressed for one. I'm sure you have one

4:25

in mind. I've just I'm

4:27

making room for the four billionaires

4:29

who listen.

4:30

To our show. Ye.

4:31

Yes, can we borrow some money?

4:34

Yes, have your footman in your valet

4:36

call it, or better yet, write us an

4:38

emails so we can get it on record.

4:40

It is still weird, though, because power behind

4:42

the throne is kind of a thing. When you think about

4:44

campaign finance donations, and that's.

4:46

What I'm saying, there is a grain of truth.

4:48

There are secret king makers and campaign

4:51

finance donations. You know, saw the

4:53

news about that right very recently.

4:56

A very small group of billionaires recently

4:58

donated some six million dollars

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to the current campaign cycle.

5:03

And that's all thanks to Citizens United, which

5:05

totally wrecked the campaign finance

5:07

system for all intents and purposes. It's

5:09

like just just mangled it beyond recognition

5:12

and saving.

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Yeah, and international non

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governmental institutions, the builder

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Burgers, the CFR, insert

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your favorite corporate conspiracy

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here.

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Whenever you hear builder Burger, Am I the only

5:26

one who pictures a bar where you can make

5:28

your own hamburger, you know, and put pipicpic

5:30

whatever you know toppings. You want a

5:33

Builder Burger, it's like a builder the builder

5:35

Bergs.

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Right, it's a little different.

5:39

People are saying, you know, this Council on

5:41

Foreign Relations the Builder Burgers Trilateral

5:43

Commission. That's another deep cut.

5:46

The question then, is why do all these

5:48

powerful people really get together.

5:50

What do they actually talk about in their

5:53

meetings? Do they build fast food?

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Do they do they say

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more than what they publish in their

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pr statements? For we the lowly peasants,

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how's their golf swing?

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Yeah? What do they really get into a Davos?

6:07

And you know, over the years, guys, we've seen

6:09

versions of this. I seem

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to recall a time when I

6:14

want to say it was Hillary Clinton when she was

6:16

on the campaign trail in oh

6:19

gosh, years and years ago, where

6:22

she gave a public speech, a more

6:25

public speech that was filmed,

6:27

and then there was like footage

6:29

from another meeting from

6:31

that same day with the higher

6:34

ups in the campaign world, and

6:36

she said a completely different story

6:39

and it was like allegedly leaked footage.

6:41

But that's the kind of thing that perhaps

6:43

we imagine happens all the time, and perhaps

6:46

it does, but we often don't have proof

6:48

that it's happening.

6:49

But you love to see it. That's the ubami,

6:52

you know, Like, I mean, it's true.

6:54

I love your bringing up d Davos because

6:56

security at Davos is super tight and

6:58

super weird because global VIPs

7:01

are there Behemian Grove kind

7:03

of tough to get into, and they're up to

7:05

some strange, strange stuff. So

7:07

it's natural to ask these questions. We see.

7:10

Powerful religious organizations got

7:12

the same accusations. Back in the day, there was

7:14

an anti Papist party here

7:16

in the United States. Their political

7:19

platform was just this one thing

7:21

they didn't like Catholics or the Pope,

7:24

and they ran for office on that and someone would

7:26

be like, well you think about taxes and they would be like,

7:29

I don't know, man, some screw with the pope though, and

7:31

they're like, all right, I'll vote for you.

7:33

Yeah. Well, there's the Anti Mason's Party

7:35

that was huge, and they're just there.

7:38

The whole platform was let's not have members

7:40

of this secret society be in government.

7:42

Positions.

7:43

Yeah, let's try a new flavor

7:45

this season. Go on exactly

7:48

the rest of us a.

7:48

Chance and the more modern

7:52

conspiratorial cabal theories.

7:54

There are investment firms, right,

7:56

consulting firms. I think there's some sand

7:59

to those. The defense industry. There's

8:01

also some sad to those, because in those cases

8:03

you can follow the money. But it's also even

8:06

like institutions

8:09

that are open about what they're supposed to

8:11

do, or that seem to be doing

8:13

good things, like the United Nations

8:16

or the Red Cross or the Red Crescent, they

8:18

get accused of being shadowy cabals.

8:21

I mean, and yes, the Red Cross is very oriented

8:23

toward the extraction

8:25

and distribution of blood, like I get it.

8:27

Oh and sometimes water,

8:30

sometimes people need water. They hook people up.

8:33

It's not just the Red Cross.

8:35

It's not just blood.

8:37

There you go perfect, Oh my god, guys,

8:39

I just quickly in this thread here, we

8:42

got a message from Rob,

8:45

who is somebody who's written into us a couple of times, met

8:47

we've mentioned on listener mail, telling

8:49

us a story about an organization his mother was

8:52

a part of that I'd never heard of before.

8:54

And I think we need to do a whole episode on it because it kind

8:56

of matches in with all this stuff we're talking about. It's

8:59

called Joe Daughters

9:01

j ob apostrophe s

9:03

Daughters, not spelled like you know, gobu,

9:06

but it is. It's an offshoot

9:09

of Freemasonry, and it is fascinating

9:11

and huge and powerful

9:13

and again, on the surface seems like

9:15

a great thing. But they've

9:18

got like a Supreme Guardian Council

9:20

and all kinds of the Umami

9:22

you're talking about. Man, all the things that are just like,

9:24

ooh, this is an exciting secret society.

9:27

We should cover it at some point.

9:28

Yeah, Rob, right, it's an email, love to learn

9:30

more. I got Yes, that

9:33

is new to me, but I like

9:35

the vibe. Is it like a Gilead type

9:37

thing?

9:38

Uh No, it's it's it's about

9:41

placing the

9:44

women who are it's girls who join almost

9:47

like a girl Scouts kind of thing, but

9:49

within the Freemasonry kind of.

9:51

Okay world or Eastern Star kind

9:53

of.

9:54

Yeah, but it is and it seems really

9:56

good on the surface, but man, it's deep.

9:58

Oh man, all right, I love it

10:01

and we're on it another. Of course,

10:03

this all fun this cabal,

10:05

conspiracy, cabal, it all fund funnels

10:08

into one general milieu, which

10:10

is that rich and powerful

10:13

people overall are up to something

10:15

heinous and the

10:17

vast majority of people are affected by

10:19

it with no control over what it means. And each

10:22

of these ideas, these sub genres,

10:24

they come from their own set of perspectives

10:26

and prejudice and concern I mean, yeah,

10:29

the Rockefeller banking dynasty came,

10:31

and call it banking dynasty anymore.

10:33

They're very well off, they

10:35

have global concerns. But a lot

10:37

of times when people are talking trash about the Rockefellers,

10:40

they ultimately are dog whistling some

10:42

pretty racist stuff, you know what I mean, And

10:44

like paragraph four because they don't think people

10:46

read past the headline.

10:48

Yahney don't well, and it's you

10:50

know, I was

10:52

gonna say, it's really unfortunate that even

10:55

thinking about this stuff, at

10:57

least for me, I don't know about you guys, makes

10:59

me feel like I'm having like I'm

11:02

verging into that territory right towards

11:04

the racism and grouping of people, even

11:07

though it's really just a theoretical imagining

11:10

I guess, of what the potential motivations

11:14

are behind actual

11:16

powerful people.

11:17

So it's exception of the Welsh.

11:20

But yeah, I'm going to talk about that they

11:22

know what they did.

11:23

I guess what I mean is, it's just it stinks that

11:25

that's the thing that it that gets

11:28

talked about and thought about when you're

11:30

just even even contemplating

11:33

motivations of just

11:35

wealthy human beings.

11:36

Because it's an absence of transparency, right,

11:38

so the speculation thrives. I mean. And also,

11:41

yes, the defense industry is

11:43

crooked, it's as crooked as a cursive letter

11:45

zu. But war profiteers

11:48

from the ancient times to now

11:51

have always been pretty upfront about their primary

11:53

motivation. I just want to make money, just

11:56

some money. And you know, explosions

11:59

are cool, Explosions

12:01

are technically objectively pretty cool.

12:03

Yeah, we had the immense

12:05

privilege of befriending the

12:07

world's number one expert on underwater

12:10

explosions, such a specific field.

12:13

I love it in a different show, and

12:16

that is a thing that's amazing. But

12:19

to date, nobody has been able to conclusively

12:22

prove one of their

12:24

their pet conspiratorial cabal actually

12:27

runs the world. Truth is unfortunately

12:29

a little more complicated we talked

12:31

about in the past. There does not seem

12:33

to be a single group of powerful

12:35

people successfully running the

12:38

entire world. There are multiple groups

12:40

of powerful people who kind

12:42

of run parts of the world, and

12:45

every single one of these groups is

12:47

also pretty sure the world

12:50

would be better if they were the only

12:52

people in charge of the entire thing. These

12:54

folks don't always get along. They kind

12:56

of hate each other.

12:58

Yeah, you guys been following this with like the tariffs

13:01

on Chinese imports they were imposing.

13:03

Like that's interesting.

13:05

Because like we're so behold into China,

13:07

but we also low key hate them and

13:09

resent them. And you know, Biden

13:11

talking about like, well, Americans can do

13:13

any job that the Chinese can if the playing.

13:16

Field is level.

13:17

All of those low key, little snipy

13:20

negotiations are kind of what

13:22

keep things from getting

13:25

into a hot war situation.

13:27

Right, But we're always just a couple of clicks away from

13:29

that if you think about it. Yeah,

13:31

and it's no coincidence that

13:33

those kind of what we'll call bellocost

13:36

signals occur at the same time Uncle

13:38

G and our buddy Vlad just had

13:40

some public pinky squares R. You know what I

13:42

mean. So it's

13:45

so easy. I love your pointing that out. It's so easy

13:47

to make our Charlie Day conspiracy

13:50

board because real things are happening.

13:52

But I guess we're always trying to

13:54

answer that question. Why do some people

13:57

always seem to have more while

14:00

others have less? Why do

14:02

some groups seem to profit no

14:05

matter who wins the given war? You

14:07

know what I mean?

14:08

Why?

14:09

Why?

14:10

Because of the petro dollar? Obviously tight?

14:13

Is that a point?

14:15

Is that?

14:15

Is that crypto? It's kind

14:17

of like the original crypto? Joking?

14:21

But you're absolutely right, then you can

14:23

only trade in my currency

14:26

the Nixon huge

14:29

Wait a second, wait, who could we be thinking about

14:31

here?

14:31

Bro? You're so navel right now, That's

14:34

that's what they said. But yeah,

14:37

this is a question tonight, folks. If there's really

14:39

some secret cabal pulling the strings,

14:41

why does civilization still

14:43

kind of stink? Do that job,

14:46

aren't they? Yeah, Like, if you're in

14:48

charge, do better? Why

14:50

is human civilization riddled

14:52

with instability, destruction?

14:54

Evil?

14:54

What sort of group would allow these things

14:56

to occur? If this group exists, is

14:59

it even human? That's the root

15:01

of an episode that has taken us way

15:03

too long to get to. I think we'll have fun with

15:05

this one. The Reptilian conspiracy.

15:14

Here's where it gets crazy.

15:17

All right, let's just freestyle on

15:19

this one. Guys. Okay, what is the reptilian

15:22

conspiracy.

15:23

It's the conspiracy that it

15:25

makes all of the terrible stuff that's

15:27

happening makes sense. Guys, what

15:30

if the motivation for the groups that

15:32

do control the world are

15:35

about dividing everybody and

15:37

making us all fight and destroying everything

15:40

and even destroying the climate and the planet

15:43

because they want to take over.

15:46

Just like Cheryl Crow said,

15:50

think about it. Read the lyrics.

15:52

But what comes

15:54

up over Santa Monica Boulevard. Yeah,

15:59

the sun never comes back up over Santa

16:01

Monica Boulevard because the reptilions.

16:03

But I made serious though this the

16:05

Reptilian conspiracy, at least

16:08

two from my perspective,

16:10

is a proposed answer

16:13

to why everything seems so messed

16:15

up and why there's such a division

16:18

in the world and has.

16:19

Been because the forces ruling

16:21

the world are fundamentally different.

16:23

The forces ruling the world are indeed

16:26

inhuman. That's yeah, that's

16:28

I think that's at the heart of this. If

16:30

you look at the headlight of it, the idea

16:33

is they're going to hit you with a couple of base

16:35

assumptions. We just have to go with those assumptions

16:38

to understand the argument. One,

16:41

extra terrestrials exist and they

16:43

have been in contact with Earth for a

16:45

long long time. Two they

16:47

are reptilian. There are other kinds

16:49

of aliens in this theory,

16:52

but the ones you have to watch out for are

16:54

the reptilians. Three it's

16:56

tough to watch out for them because they have innerbred

16:59

with human beings, and they can shape

17:01

shift, and they possibly have a

17:03

bunch of other supernatural abilities, including

17:06

telepathy. But the world still

17:08

sucks.

17:08

I don't know, man, given all of those abilities,

17:11

and they're you know, in their supposed infiltration,

17:14

you know, are they just playing

17:16

the long game to mess with us like a cat

17:18

and mouse kind of situation? If they really wanted

17:20

to wipe us out, couldn't they have just nuked

17:23

us out of existence?

17:24

Like?

17:24

Why take so long and be

17:26

so protracted and then

17:29

cause so much long term suffering

17:31

instead of just getting it overweight? Doesn't seem very efficient,

17:33

is what I'm getting.

17:34

At it does. It does seem

17:37

to beggar explanation, right, because

17:40

the idea that is that they are super

17:42

into. Although they have this immense power,

17:45

they're still super into secrecy. They

17:47

have not publicly stated, Hey,

17:49

aliens are real we're part alien.

17:51

We control the world. We've got a big,

17:53

weird plan.

17:55

It's like that scene in The Witches by Roald

17:57

Dahl where behind the closed doors that's

17:59

when they take off if they're human masks, and

18:01

only then can they let their you know.

18:04

Their lizard faces breathe a little

18:06

bit.

18:06

I just I think that's such a trope that you see

18:08

all the time, this idea of like, you know, impostors

18:12

that go behind, you know, in some sort of secret

18:14

meeting and then reveal their true identity only

18:16

to each other. But of course there's an interloper,

18:19

and that's the inciting action for the story.

18:21

Role Doll amazing author. The Witch's

18:24

adaptation was really good too, very good,

18:26

very very scary, dark guy. Everybody

18:29

check out George's marvelous Medicine. By the

18:31

way, Rolldall's best conspiracy book.

18:33

I think, and don't bother with The Witch's

18:36

remake, the original nineties

18:38

Witches is where it's at.

18:40

I did. I didn't know there was a rebake.

18:42

It was a straight to HBO Max thing.

18:44

It was not good.

18:45

It was directed by somebody of note, actually,

18:47

but it was very very bad.

18:50

Anne Hathaway plays the Grand High Witch, You

18:53

can't fill fricking Angelica

18:55

Houston square toed shoes.

18:57

You just can't do it.

18:58

There, You go, well

19:01

unless you're a shape shifter, right, and

19:03

then you you probably could fill her shoes

19:05

as well as her face and arms.

19:09

Sorry dude, keeping

19:13

but they're just one. I

19:16

think we're gonna get into it, but one caveat there.

19:18

Just when we're talking about the extraterrestrial

19:21

version of this theory,

19:23

there are older and

19:26

different theories where they're

19:28

not necessarily some extraterrestrial

19:31

race that traveled to Earth. Sometimes

19:34

they're a race. Yeah,

19:36

there's a race that either goes back to

19:38

Atlantis or Lemuria that

19:41

is like older, like ancient, ancient, ancient

19:44

version of the thing that

19:46

humans became, right that

19:48

that still control things and

19:51

they've been around for so long. Well, we'll get into

19:53

that. But just like these reptilians

19:56

are other, that's the whole I think that's

19:58

the whole point. Right, they're not human, right,

20:01

and they could also be extra dimensional.

20:03

Yeah, they could be ancient gods

20:06

or the remnants thereof Right, it's

20:08

kind of again like any good conspiratorial

20:11

folklore. It's sort of the Chipotle

20:13

line. You can add the avocado.

20:15

If you want.

20:16

Oh, man, it just occurred to me that the Neil

20:18

Gaiman book American Gods has

20:20

something in common.

20:21

With some of these thoughts.

20:22

Because the gods are on Earth affecting

20:25

the outcome of civilization quietly

20:28

and secretly, and then their factions even

20:30

within that, or they're fighting against one

20:32

another, you know, because some people are more in supportive

20:35

humanity than some people are totally against

20:37

humanity. There's this push and pull which

20:39

could answer the question of is there an opposition

20:42

force to the reptilians? Are

20:44

there contingents within that

20:46

are fighting against the evil aims

20:48

of the overlords of

20:51

this species?

20:52

Like in the mini series documentary v.

20:54

V is so good, the old one holds

20:57

up. Man, there's a remake again, but the old

20:59

one is good.

21:00

It's good.

21:01

Well, it would stand to reason if they're not hive

21:03

mind, right, Uh, then there

21:05

are probably factions within within.

21:07

The different

21:12

kinds of snakes too. So in the adaptation,

21:14

you know, we'll make some of them look like

21:16

king cobras. You know, you

21:19

have like a wise monitor lizard

21:21

who's got some sort of hot takes on economics

21:24

or something.

21:26

The beard and dragon that just sort of sits there ponderously.

21:30

I don't know which kind of reptile is our?

21:32

Is our like comic relief, But folks,

21:34

please find us the funniest reptile and.

21:36

Charge our bikes. I

21:40

was gonna say, it's a small puppy.

21:41

It's at That's

21:44

what it looks like when it sees that you have a

21:46

camera on it. Right, So this

21:49

the idea to uh, to go back

21:51

know you were you were mentioning this concept of this

21:53

grand design. That's the thing they're

21:56

saying. Every This argument says that every

21:59

catastrophe, thick event, every

22:01

great disaster, every technological

22:04

breakthrough, all the positive stuff too, can

22:06

be traced back to the secret group of

22:09

lizardfolk. And we don't

22:11

know why they're doing it. Their grand

22:13

design seems pretty

22:15

mysterious, but if you know what

22:17

to look for, you can see they're hidden

22:19

hand in world events. It's

22:22

an ancient conspiracy. There's

22:25

also this concept that

22:27

they were dropping hints the whole time.

22:29

The truth was right under your nose, and

22:31

reptiles don't understand it because they have a

22:33

different kind of nose or whatever. But

22:35

like the name of the star system they originate

22:37

from, per david Ike is Alpha draconis

22:41

so they told us and we just ignored

22:43

it. It just it goes on and on. I mean,

22:45

it's so great for fiction X files.

22:47

We named V They Live.

22:49

I can't believe you haven't seen They Live. I'm

22:52

very familiar with that.

22:53

I've seen clips. I'm a huge John Carpenter fan.

22:56

It was actually playing at my favorite little

22:59

kind of indie theater in New York when I was there

23:01

a few months ago. I didn't make it, but I'm

23:03

plan on it. I also another

23:06

lizardish kind of cult

23:08

movie that Rowdy Roddy Piper is also

23:10

in, Hell Comes to frog Town.

23:14

Oh snap, sorry,

23:18

I see you.

23:19

Have you guys heard of Hell Comes to frog Town? No?

23:21

I have, but I haven't seen it.

23:23

Ye.

23:23

Roddy Piper plays a dude named something like

23:26

Stephen Hell and he fights

23:28

against these frog people that have kind

23:30

of kidnapped some I believe,

23:33

vestal virgins who are the only chance

23:35

for repopulating humanity.

23:37

Wow, does he chew bubblegum

23:40

and kick butt and he's out of bubble gum?

23:42

I think that's right. Yeah, that sounds

23:44

like something that Rowdy Roddy would do.

23:47

That literally is something that he would do.

23:50

Also, while we're on the fiction note,

23:52

we have to say this informs

23:55

or is occurring in step with

23:57

a lot of cosmic horror fiction

24:00

like HP Lovecraft, the hell

24:02

Boy comics and BPRD

24:04

as well. Get really into the idea

24:07

of an elder race, right,

24:09

an ancient civilization and this this

24:12

ends from theosophy this

24:14

you know what, that's the fifth element too.

24:16

Yeah, but big time guys, the

24:18

Mass Effect series, but it's

24:20

a little different. Yeah, we

24:23

still see.

24:24

We can see these threads,

24:26

you know what I mean, Like the monsters and they live are

24:28

not necessarily reptilian, but everything else

24:30

about it just checks the boxes of this

24:33

theory. It becomes very

24:36

big in the public sphere in recent

24:38

decades. A guy who gets a lot of credit

24:40

for this is a guy we interviewed back in

24:42

the day named David Ike in nineteen,

24:45

i want to say, nineteen ninety eight. He wrote a book called

24:47

The Biggest Secret, and he

24:50

laid out you know, like Moses coming

24:52

down with some weird paperback tablets.

24:55

He laid out the rules of the modern

24:58

lizard people conspiracy. He says

25:01

everything we said before, and then he also

25:03

says, as a matter of fact,

25:05

many of the great historical and modern leaders.

25:07

Your favorite ones are half

25:10

reptile and half human. Yeah,

25:12

let's just.

25:13

Say that he is what do you say, Ben ten

25:15

toes down on this stuff? But

25:17

he fully but this is this

25:19

is very real to David.

25:21

I don't know.

25:22

Didn't we we talked to him, hadn't he sort of

25:25

softened on some of this a little bit? Or

25:27

was he still all in I kind of can't remember.

25:30

Well, uh yeah,

25:32

some problematic issues too, as ad he

25:35

did.

25:35

He's such a complicated person in my

25:38

mind because to him, at

25:40

least in my estimation, I don't know about you guys,

25:42

but he seems to truly and fully

25:44

believe that he experienced something out

25:47

in the desert that he felt

25:49

was real. There was a message about

25:51

this very stuff about apocalypse, about

25:54

what's coming and why he.

25:55

Genuinely Yeah, in my estimation from

26:00

like, yes, problematic to

26:02

a great degree, but in speaking

26:05

with him and then reading his books,

26:09

I think he genuinely believes it. Like I

26:12

don't think he sees himself as trying to

26:14

call people.

26:15

That's at least where I

26:17

where my mind goes when I think about the way

26:21

he's spoke and what he spoke about and

26:23

then since nineteen ninety

26:26

eight. His career is about,

26:28

you know, selling books now and writing

26:31

a ton of more things, and

26:34

each one of those has to expand a little

26:36

bit right on all the things before. Just

26:38

if you think about it from a business perspective,

26:40

right, you can't just write the same

26:42

thing over and over and over again in like eighteen

26:45

different books. So it's

26:47

he's almost I'm

26:50

just trying to see the human part of it, right,

26:52

He's kind of forced to expand

26:55

on all that stuff. And then a lot of the theories

26:57

and the ideas that are in his books

27:00

seem to be traced back to super

27:02

problematic things, even though what he's saying

27:04

in his books actually aren't

27:07

that problematic on the surface until

27:09

you realize maybe the

27:11

originating place.

27:12

Of them which kind of stuff,

27:15

right, Yeah, which he may not be aware of. He

27:17

also he also told

27:19

us that his views had

27:22

been mischaracterized, and I think

27:24

in that conversation read

27:27

back some of his own quotes to him,

27:29

yeah, that he wrote, so

27:32

so this is this is a whole other bag of badgers.

27:35

It's funny because to that point about expansion,

27:37

the list of people who are lizard people

27:40

does continue to grow.

27:42

The British Royal family. Of course they had

27:44

to be in there, right business tycoons,

27:47

your favorite modern presidents. George

27:50

Washington, George Washington, friend

27:53

of the show. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:56

I have a quick question, guys. If this is

27:58

the case, and if history has been

28:00

populated with all of these influential

28:04

figures, who are in fact lizard people?

28:06

We talked about the idea of interbreeding

28:09

over a long enough timeline, wouldn't

28:11

there be more lizard people than actual

28:13

people? Given the prominence and

28:16

power of some of these high ranking individuals.

28:18

It's a recessive trait, just like controlling

28:20

dragons in some so fire, got

28:23

it. That's why.

28:25

That's why all the ancient Egyptians

28:28

and old European dynasties were banging

28:31

each other. That's why the cousins were. I think

28:33

they were just important. This wasn't anything else

28:35

to do. Well, when it goes wrong, you get

28:37

a habsburg. When it goes right, you get like

28:39

a lizard person.

28:40

What is really interesting, how obsessed

28:44

royal families, just over

28:46

the span of human civilization, of

28:49

the way they've been obsessed with bloodlines?

28:50

Right? Yeah, and how else would you rationalize

28:53

such an absurd government

28:56

system? Yeah, you're

28:59

inherently better than the people that

29:01

you're taking advantage of.

29:02

You have to be touched by God or you

29:04

know, in this case, by you know, the

29:07

whatever what do we call the line of reptilian

29:10

DNA. Yeah, don't

29:13

I don't know, guys, But this is a good

29:15

point though. We've talked about this a lot, where

29:17

when a conspiracy becomes popular

29:20

enough and it becomes this morphing

29:24

thing because everybody now has input,

29:27

right and can like add to the

29:29

thing.

29:30

Just what we're talking we're talking about corpse.

29:32

Well, yeah, when we're talking about the list and how it's

29:34

grown because kind of everybody gets

29:36

to add people in there, and then it could just

29:39

expand and expand and expand.

29:41

Then why aren't there more Welsh people on

29:43

the list? See, I'm bringing this back. I'm just

29:45

gonna see how far we can go with fake

29:48

prejudice. Safe space. It's

29:51

a safe space to tell the truth about the

29:53

Welsh. Well, you know, get too many fs, You

29:56

have too many fs.

29:57

We do have a lot of as those words are unpronounced,

29:59

not unpronounceable. I

30:02

do wonder though, if you guys thought

30:04

about the idea of connecting this theory

30:06

to a recent episode we did, and you could

30:08

sub in lizard person for antichrist

30:11

Oka in some senses very much.

30:13

So, yes, yeah, and that's an astute

30:15

observation. And you know, one

30:18

of my favorite examples of

30:20

the list of lizard people is Bob

30:23

Hope. No, not Bob Hope.

30:25

I have an auto I

30:27

have an autograph picture from

30:29

Bob Hope, So I may have evidence of a

30:32

lizard person I want to see. It's

30:34

one of those things that comes with a letter that

30:36

says dictated but not read. Oh

30:38

no, he signed it. That's

30:40

so old school. It's like what they would do with fan mail,

30:43

right, yeah, yeah,

30:45

it very much was a story for another day.

30:48

But maybe we do have proof of lizard

30:50

people, per Ike. We might, but that

30:52

you know, for some of us who are just getting

30:54

read onto this theory, it can be kind

30:56

of disappointing. You might say, hey, what gives

30:59

what about all those old old school shadowy

31:01

cabals that used to believe in What about

31:03

the Illuminati? We mentioned that at the top, what

31:05

about the Freemasons? David Ike shakes

31:08

his head and says, these are all basically

31:10

conspiracy middle management. They

31:13

were each organization was created

31:15

and deployed by the lizard people. Yet

31:18

another series of steps in their unknowable

31:20

grand design. There is

31:22

no spoon.

31:24

Yeah, think about organizations like Freemasons,

31:26

and a lot of these clubs go

31:29

back to the Bavarian Illuminati. It's an

31:31

invite only it really didn't

31:33

have anything to do with your blood

31:35

at all. Though if your grandfather

31:37

was a Freemason, that's a big plus if

31:39

you're trying to get into that organization.

31:41

Everybody loves a legacy higher.

31:43

That's true, but you don't have But you got

31:45

bit, but you don't have to have that connection

31:47

to join that group. You could just be interested

31:49

in join. So like this concept

31:52

within the theory that it's middle management,

31:54

right, it's almost like humans serving

31:57

this other group.

31:58

Yes, yeah, sort of the overseer

32:01

class. Right. But this also before

32:04

we lose this point with like you could

32:06

argue that what he's doing more skeptical

32:08

people would argue that he's kind of soloing

32:11

folklore at this point. You

32:13

know, he's kind of adding his own,

32:16

uh, and other people are taking it and running

32:18

with it as well, the same way that the Cuthulhu

32:21

mythos started with HP Lovecraft

32:23

and expanded to other authors.

32:25

Well, and inevitably, when you look at something

32:27

like that and someone who like Ike, who's motivated

32:30

by publishing dollars and continuing

32:32

to have that output, You're probably gonna

32:34

see some inconsistencies as

32:37

he started building and sort of talking

32:39

till he gets an idea, you know what I mean, talking

32:42

till he gets an idea.

32:43

But when you but when you I

32:46

guess if you buy in to the

32:48

theory right early on. Let's say, let's say

32:51

you read The Biggest Secret, right,

32:53

and you buy into this concept and you keep

32:55

going down that rabbit hole. Uh, you

32:57

buy into the idea that he was given

32:59

or di some message. Right,

33:02

It's not for your perspective

33:04

if you're in it. You're not seeing

33:07

the pulling in of all the different theories

33:09

and all the different ideas that then shape the

33:12

big theory. You're just you

33:14

imagine that's the message that was

33:16

received. Right, So all of this is in some way

33:18

some divinely inspired, let's

33:20

say.

33:21

Right. So in that case, the person

33:23

through whom you learn these things is

33:25

not themselves the author exact

33:28

profit. They are a platform, they are a medium.

33:30

And this is also a

33:33

clever way to get out of trouble. If

33:35

you say the wrong thing, and.

33:37

We're gonna see it repeated as we as

33:39

we follow the trail back in time.

33:41

Yeah, multiple times. He has

33:44

given lectures to over six thousand people

33:46

that a go that's better than live

33:48

shows that we have done so far. But there's

33:50

always more to the story. And before we make

33:52

conclusions about this theory, before we throw

33:54

it all out with the reptilian bathwater,

33:57

we do have to think of it as folklore. And when

33:59

we think of it as folklore, will find

34:02

that just like the Nazi fantasies

34:05

about secret vrill energy

34:07

and hyperborea, which also shows up

34:09

in help Boy, we'll find that this

34:11

could be a case of fiction gone wrong,

34:13

because the idea of lizard people

34:16

dates way back before David

34:18

Iike's book, like Conan

34:21

and the Barbarian as lizard

34:24

people and rips that off from the

34:26

Theosophist the spiritualist movement. But

34:29

the author of Conin did say it was fiction,

34:32

so kudos dam Well.

34:34

I mean, you know, guys, I like a lot of folklore.

34:36

I feel like this whole framework

34:39

is best served as kind of a very interesting

34:42

metaphor for the way power

34:45

is corrupting and the way power

34:47

is spread and manipulated from

34:49

the shadows and the idea of there

34:52

being this boogeyman, you know, I

34:54

think is only you can read it almost more as like a

34:57

parable than it is an actual

34:59

facts thing that's going on.

35:01

Yeah, yeah, can

35:04

we stick on on Conan just a bit?

35:06

I believe I always want to stick on Conan.

35:08

He is a smoke show.

35:10

Well, you know, I just didn't

35:12

expect that guy

35:14

to become such a popular late night talk

35:16

show host. You know, like a.

35:20

Probably you

35:22

will take the quiz at the end, you've got a surprise

35:25

for us. But yeah, how can you explain his

35:27

success? Surely he couldn't just

35:29

be hard working and good at his.

35:31

Job, I know, and just hilarious

35:33

and creative whatever.

35:35

But man, and we're talking about two

35:37

different Conan's here.

35:39

No, they're both barbarians, make the mistake,

35:41

both Mega ripped.

35:43

Have you have you seen his travel show? He has

35:45

a new travel shows, Delights.

35:47

It's fabulous, secretly Mega

35:49

Ripped, absolutely top.

35:51

Not because I'm picturing now in Arnold Schwarzenegger

35:54

as Conan the Barbarian in a YouTube

35:56

travel show. You know what?

35:58

That be wonderful? Yeah, Conan.

36:02

This would have been early days, like Golden Age

36:04

comics.

36:05

In nineteen twenties, so the author

36:09

Robert E. Howard, who originates

36:11

Conan and the Barbarian as a short

36:13

story called The Shadowed Kingdom. And

36:15

by the way, all of the graphic novel

36:17

or comic book adaptations of Conan and the

36:19

Barbaria are pretty great reads if

36:21

you're into this stuff. So he

36:25

he goes back, most likely to

36:30

another controversial figure, sort

36:32

of a David Ike of her day, called Helena

36:34

Blavatsky, and in eighteen

36:36

eighty eight or so, she writes

36:38

a book called Or. She collects

36:41

some lectures and things she had said previously

36:45

about the idea something you referred

36:47

to earlier, Matt, the idea that there are lizard people

36:50

who are part of an ancient civilization

36:52

that was once more advanced than humanity,

36:55

but met with great

36:58

peril and disaster at Land or Lemuria

37:00

sinks. Howard has

37:03

this story in The Shadow

37:05

Kingdom, whereing Conum the Barbarian runs

37:07

into the serpent Men, which

37:09

are pretty much beat for beat the Dragon

37:12

Men from the Secret Doctrine and

37:14

the other stories that Levatsky

37:16

took from and surprise

37:19

Conan. The serpent

37:21

people are bad, they're pills.

37:24

Well, but it really

37:26

does influence the way reptilians

37:29

are spoken about the powers that they allegedly

37:31

have and the other parts of the theory their

37:34

motivations. Even so,

37:37

within Howard's story, you

37:39

meet this guy named Cole k U l

37:42

L who's like a barbarian who.

37:44

Takes the confused with krawl. No,

37:46

no, no, isn't that krawl also kind

37:48

of a thing though, wasn't it?

37:49

Yes, it's a sci fi think and that's awesome

37:52

that some of the some of my weirdest

37:55

childhood memories come from watching that show.

37:57

And then he got mixed up in my head in weird way as

37:59

it's a movie.

38:01

It was such an interesting film. Is this

38:03

the one where they have the huge throwing star?

38:05

Yeah? Yeah, yeah, it looks like.

38:07

A weird seeing em and or rather

38:10

like a what do you call it, you know, like a like

38:12

a starfish.

38:13

Kind yes, yeah, and yeah

38:16

Kroll also probably calls back

38:18

to this stuff, Matt, where

38:21

you're going here makes sense to be

38:23

right. Cole the barbarian so got

38:26

so Coden meets a colleague would

38:28

be the children's story.

38:30

Kind yeah, I kinda. And but Cole,

38:33

he's this dude from Atlanta or he what no,

38:35

he he's from Atlantis. He's a barbarian,

38:38

and he conquers this other place. Right once

38:41

he goes in, he conquers this place, takes over.

38:43

I'm krig now and he's going

38:45

to bed in the palace and he gets

38:47

contacted by this other this other group

38:49

of people, and basically

38:51

he finds out are

38:54

He's shown by another one of the characters in

38:56

the story that all of the guards

38:58

in this palace are still everybody

39:00

looks like they're still on guard, but he's shown that

39:02

the actual guards have been knocked out and

39:05

their bodies are like in other

39:07

rooms, and he's like, what the hell is going on? And

39:10

he is told that these this group

39:12

of people, these serpent men, have shape

39:15

shifted to look like all the guards and are

39:17

all in place. And then a counselor

39:20

comes in who is also a shape shifting reptilian

39:22

creature attempts to assassinate him.

39:25

And it's really interesting because

39:27

it's it goes back to operating

39:31

in secret, right, conspiratorially

39:35

replacing people to

39:38

look as though it's someone you would trust. All

39:41

of these concepts of what a serpent

39:44

man is as described by Howard

39:46

in this story. It follows you

39:48

can follow that trail, and when you

39:50

take it back to Blovatsky, it's

39:53

really dude, it gets it gets

39:55

super in the weeds. I don't mean to get in the weeds.

39:57

Here, but the Great Dragon

39:59

the that's where we are, dude.

40:01

She describes the Great Dragon and

40:04

the Serpents of Wisdom, which

40:07

it goes back to the way she describes

40:09

I think it's five races of

40:12

like humanoids that have existed

40:14

throughout.

40:15

Time, and she's ripping off a

40:18

lot of ancient myths from the Indian subcontinent.

40:21

This we do have to

40:24

get in front of some emails. Please

40:26

still email us again. Pictures are

40:28

the funniest reptile. We need the comic relief

40:30

for this film. But we do have to say important

40:33

point here. Just to be clear. Cole

40:36

is sort of Conan's colleague, but Cole

40:39

is like the duplo to the

40:41

lego that is Conan the Barbarian.

40:44

So Cole is an earlier thing

40:46

that is basically Conan

40:48

the Barbarian, arguably a bit smarter,

40:51

written by the same author, and then later

40:53

he goes to Conan, and then Conan

40:55

has pretty much the same thing.

40:57

So it's not a superman. Captain Marvel

40:59

kind of like rivalry thing. This is actually

41:01

the same individual that's created both of these characters.

41:04

Yeah, and just kept creating

41:06

the same character, kind of like when

41:09

a director just has the one French

41:11

I guess.

41:12

Yeah, like like Transformers

41:14

or whatever. Oh, by the way, funniest the lizard

41:17

or reptile. I would argue the geka, Oh

41:20

wow, geko would be great comic

41:22

relief, just saying.

41:23

Oh, oh, one last thing, shape shifting.

41:26

Yeah, one last thing, not just shape shifting,

41:29

but magic, like ancient

41:31

technological magic like that.

41:33

Cause of that thing where it's between magic

41:36

and technology. They

41:38

are able to do things like make

41:40

you believe you're walking into one area

41:43

or one room when you're actually somewhere else.

41:45

Almost like.

41:47

What is that?

41:48

It's like the Jedi mind trick kind of thing. Yeah,

41:50

causing an illusion in your own mind.

41:52

Illusionists. They also

41:54

are seen as these gatekeepers

41:57

of wisdom, and again this is ancient

41:59

folklore goes back to the first

42:01

time people started peopling and someone got

42:03

bit by a snake and said, I

42:06

learned something snake bad. Oh

42:08

there we go. What's up with all of

42:10

this anti reptile rhetoric? Yet

42:13

yes, so some of

42:15

us, for.

42:15

Good reason but there are other creatures what bite.

42:18

We also we also see another commonality.

42:21

The modern lizard folk are

42:23

thought to be the

42:25

ones that you see that look human are

42:28

sort of the ones that have stronger human

42:30

genes or better at shape shifting. And

42:33

the rest of the lizard people live underground

42:35

in secret bases and you can't tell anybody,

42:38

and they're still pissed at humans for some reason.

42:41

And they will rise, right,

42:44

they will rise. They will rise when it's warm

42:46

enough outside, maybe in the afternoon.

42:49

Yeah, you got to heat the planet up, bro.

42:52

That's it. That's fo he is

42:54

about two spoilers. We also have

42:56

to thank political science professor Michael

42:58

Barkun who who has

43:00

a good look at Ike's theories and traces

43:03

back this Blovatsky

43:07

e Howard origin. And

43:10

we could stop there, right, we could say, okay,

43:12

this is provably pulp fiction. It's real

43:15

gone wrong. Right, that's another comparison.

43:17

But we can't be satisfied with originating

43:20

that theory just in the eighteen

43:22

eighties, because Noel, you hit on something

43:25

that I think gets us even deeper into the story.

43:27

So what say we take a break

43:30

for a word from our slithering sponsors

43:33

and then see if we can come back to solve

43:35

the mystery. Oh,

43:43

peek behind the curtain. Sometimes when

43:45

we're recording, we'll give

43:47

a message to future Paul, or we'll

43:50

say, hey, future Paul, check this thing out. So

43:52

future Paul, if you're listening, I'm

43:55

sorry we haven't mentioned Opus Day yet

43:58

because they also get lumped in with

44:00

lizard people, so respect to that shadowy

44:02

capal. Yeah.

44:04

Man again goes back to the Catholic Church

44:06

feelings that people have.

44:08

Oh, there's supposed to be as we record today,

44:11

there is supposed to be a press

44:14

conference by the actual

44:17

Pope, by the actual facts Pope on UFOs

44:19

and supernatural No way, Yes,

44:22

wait.

44:22

I heard, I heard through

44:24

the grapevine, guys that we are being prepared

44:28

not only by the US government since

44:31

twenty seventeen, but also by great

44:33

religious leaders such as il

44:35

Popo, that we are that

44:39

we are going to we are being prepared

44:42

for full disclosure. Finally, after

44:45

gosh, how many how many times have we talked

44:47

about disclosure?

44:48

At this point, it's going to be anti climactic.

44:51

I feel like civilization has

44:53

can I say this on air? I feel like civilization has

44:55

been edging on disclosure for so long, caare

44:58

we say, what are we.

44:59

Going to do if the Pope discloses

45:01

Reptilians the day we're recording

45:04

our episode on Reptilians, We're.

45:06

Gonna have to ask We're gonna

45:08

have to fuss with our schedule and get this published

45:10

as soon as today. Yeah,

45:13

we'll just have to ride the wave on that one.

45:15

I just want to see the Pope, you know, come out on

45:17

his little patio or whatever to

45:19

address the people and just pull.

45:21

That human mask right off.

45:24

Wouldn't that be sick? What if? What

45:27

if he comes out? He says? Reptilians

45:30

are real? I am the actual only

45:32

member of the clergy who is still human.

45:36

And the take off

45:38

their masks and they've got spears.

45:41

Through the glaves. Yeah, where's the

45:44

Swiss Guard? This goes all the way to

45:46

the top of the peaks of Switzerland.

45:49

All right. But if they have like laser guns?

45:50

Yeah, okay, all right, I love it.

45:53

What kind of smoke do they burn when they make that announcement?

45:55

I do love the smoke signal thing, you know, when

45:57

they love there we go. So

46:00

why did this idea? There's so many shadowy,

46:03

secret cabal things. Why did this idea

46:05

in particular, get so much attention, gain

46:07

so much steam. Yeah, there's human prejudice,

46:10

but that applies to every single other

46:12

secret group, conspiracy we've talked

46:14

about. No, you hit on something that

46:17

I think resonates with all of us,

46:19

which is we can't just explain it with human

46:22

prejudice. We have to think about animal

46:24

prejudice too. People hate and fear

46:26

reptiles on a primal level.

46:29

Right, you see birds, well,

46:32

depending on where you live, you see birds pretty often.

46:34

Right, you'll run away from them. But if you're

46:36

walking by and you see a snake. There was that time

46:39

I ran away from the chicken because it was chasing.

46:42

I've been in some situations with birds,

46:44

I get it, but you know geese

46:46

or jerks, right, But generally,

46:49

I would argue most people have

46:51

a hardwired

46:56

awareness and caution around reptiles

46:59

like little lizz I think get a pass

47:01

for most people, but after a certain size,

47:03

even the most harmless lizard is

47:05

gonna give.

47:07

You, right.

47:08

I mean, it's certainly one of the more prevalent

47:11

phobias. My mother was deafly

47:13

afraid of snakes. You couldn't show her a rubber

47:16

snake, You couldn't show her a like

47:19

beaded tapestry

47:21

depicting a snake like seriously,

47:23

it would it would freak her out.

47:25

To no end.

47:25

And it's this primal fear that

47:28

I think, you know comes from a legacy of

47:31

you know, humans wanting to like survive evolution.

47:34

Yeah, you bit me. I learned something so

47:37

that reptiles are higher refence.

47:39

I just want to put this outther guy. So, I was a known

47:41

and feared lizard hunter in parts

47:43

of Clearwater, Florida when I was a

47:45

child. I had surprise me and I meant

47:48

business.

47:48

Let the lizards call you cole

47:53

shop the market.

47:57

No, but I would never kill him. They were just so awesome. I

47:59

would hang out them because they were amazing.

48:02

I had some I had

48:05

some lizard situations too, man. I

48:07

think snakes are always fascinating because

48:09

they're one of the animals that if you just see

48:11

it in the wild, because so

48:13

many other successful animals have

48:16

limbs and tarsals and meta tarsals

48:18

and flangies and all that and thumbs, shout

48:20

out the thumbs. When you see a snake that has

48:22

none of those, you're just like, look at

48:24

you, buddy, how'd you get

48:26

here? What did you do today? What's the rest of

48:29

your weekend?

48:29

Like how are you a thing? How are

48:31

you a thing?

48:32

Like what it's like see to giraffe, It's

48:35

like, I understand you're alive. I expect your

48:37

right to exist, but also why and

48:40

how this? I think?

48:43

Right? You know, fear of lizards in particular

48:45

is her petiophobia

48:48

her petiophobia, and I

48:50

do it does seem to be a programmed

48:53

thing, because if we go back pre Blevatski

48:56

Plevatski and pre the Secret Doctrine,

48:58

we see, you know, snakes

49:01

showing up as a reptile, showing

49:03

up as givers of wisdom, givers

49:06

of infernal danger and great decisions,

49:09

deceivers, deceivers right

49:11

right, illusionists in so many different

49:14

things. There's a great book with

49:17

a really long name from Eye of Newt

49:19

and Toe of frog, adders, Fork and Lizard's

49:21

Leg The Lore and Mythology of Amphibians

49:24

and Reptiles. It's a very

49:26

specific book, uh.

49:28

Of frogs and

49:31

lizard's leg.

49:33

Yes, yeah, it's got the cadence

49:35

and this author, Marty Crump, also

49:38

talks about the

49:40

reptilian conspiracy of today being

49:43

related to the mythology

49:45

of the Naga from India. Half

49:48

cobra half human creatures. They

49:51

were thought to be the originator

49:53

of earthquakes and eruptions. They

49:55

were great powers of the earth, which

49:58

meant, you know, now fast forward a

50:00

little bit, play telephone play folklore, we've

50:02

got other reptilians who still control

50:05

Earth. So it's an interesting

50:07

evolution of a myth if nothing else.

50:09

Yeah, it is.

50:10

But we've talked about it before,

50:12

guys. But if there was a

50:15

time is long right long?

50:17

Or it's been around for a long time.

50:20

There have been many iterations of creatures

50:22

that have existed and then been wiped from the face

50:25

of the Earth. Over and over and over. It has

50:27

happened. Is it any wonder

50:29

that we have these

50:32

myths about this kind of thing?

50:34

I don't know it.

50:36

It does make me wonder. I'm constantly

50:38

wondering if there was some form of intelligent

50:42

not maybe not too technological

50:44

advancement stages or things like that, but

50:46

a highly intelligent reptile

50:49

of some sort that existed in an era way

50:51

before hours, that left something

50:54

behind that was found a long time ago,

50:56

and it just created some kind of I

50:59

don't spark of another.

51:00

Even yeah, even early

51:03

human or hominid encounters

51:05

with reptiles that are a little

51:08

bit too smart. Yeah right, clever girl,

51:10

They say, yeah, millions

51:12

of Muldoon. Wasn't

51:15

that his name?

51:16

I don't know, I just really I'm every time

51:18

we're thinking about this, my brain goes to places

51:20

they're just like, man, there's gotta be something.

51:23

What was that conversation? Oh everyone,

51:25

fellow conspiracy realists. If you haven't listened

51:27

yet, check out our episode

51:30

on probably the best

51:32

ancient civilization hypothesis,

51:34

the Silurian hypothesis, right,

51:37

which is neck and neck with this or

51:40

not.

51:40

It's not a competition, not neck gek and ghek.

51:42

So yeah, there we go. It's a gek and ghek. I'm

51:45

still learning English. I apologize. But there's

51:47

also there is no proven case

51:49

of a human reptile hybrid now,

51:52

not one in all of history,

51:54

unless it's a big cover up. There are things

51:56

you could say are kind

51:59

of like hybrid, Like we know reptiles existed

52:01

that had some mammalian traits or

52:03

seemed to be something that was kind

52:05

of like a reptile was kind of like a mammal. But

52:09

those are basically extinct or they're

52:11

as wacky as the platypus, which just looks

52:13

like such a scamp, you know what I mean, what's

52:15

the platypus up to? What kind of phineas

52:20

and ferb there is? But

52:23

none of those things look humanoid.

52:26

That's that's the issue.

52:28

Isn't that interesting too? That like what

52:31

an antithesis to humanity?

52:33

The reptile is right

52:36

in terms of blood works different,

52:38

you know, it needs different

52:41

environments. You know, it has this like scaly

52:44

skin. Sometimes they have venom,

52:47

they can regrow their own tails. There's

52:49

just something uncanny and inhuman

52:52

like to the extreme about reptiles.

52:55

I think they're super cool.

52:57

To be honest, there are there are also a

53:00

potentially formidable opponent

53:02

right to advancement of

53:05

humans, right or a real

53:07

threat.

53:08

The ideeah the idea being

53:10

that if the dice had rolled

53:13

a little bit differently than the

53:15

role of the dominant role of apex

53:18

predator a Homo sapien would have been

53:20

played by something possibly reptilian,

53:23

which you know, they're the progenitors of

53:25

the avians. They've been around for quite

53:27

a long time and science still

53:30

has a lot to learn about reptiles. Really fascinating

53:32

stuff. You know, reptiles

53:35

do have emotions. It was a common stereotype

53:37

that they did not. The ongoing debate

53:40

is the depth to which they process those

53:42

emotions, because they are, to that

53:44

earlier point, so very different

53:47

from mammal emotions. But you

53:50

I'm going to tell im, Goanna say don't do this, don't

53:53

do it at home. But it is proven that

53:55

people can befriend like alligators,

53:58

crocodiles, they're puppies. They're

54:00

ancient swamp puppies. They're ancient creatures.

54:03

They reached what they needed for evolution and

54:05

they just been coasting on it. You know, humans

54:07

are the new kids in the game very much

54:10

so. So okay,

54:13

you might be saying, we've definitely said

54:15

it. You might have said this is neat folklore, right,

54:17

But why does this

54:20

matter today? Is it just because you

54:22

guys are going to have fun talking about it? A

54:24

yes? But does it

54:26

teach us something? Yes? That

54:29

is it also teaches something because

54:32

in recent years

54:34

here in the United States, when

54:37

propagandists were weaponizing

54:39

any kind of ideological gait

54:42

they could find to get people to move

54:44

the way these propagandists wished, they

54:47

didn't spare the reptilian conspiracy.

54:50

They got it onto the polls and parts

54:52

of the United states, like I'm voting

54:55

for this person because they're against

54:57

lizard people. They get it. We

54:59

find we have an honest comptroller in

55:01

Southwestern District of Minnesota that

55:04

is a made up example. All

55:07

due respect to the great comptrollers

55:10

of Southwestern Minnesota. Yeah, very

55:13

powerful cabal in their own right. But

55:15

this, I mean, do you guys

55:18

remember hearing about this like people

55:21

were it was like the early

55:23

twenty teens.

55:25

I do not remember hearing about this. I remember

55:28

yesterday when I was on Instagram

55:31

and there were people making reels about

55:33

reptilians and capturing capturing

55:37

something on camera at the met gala

55:39

or something where somebody's eyes didn't

55:41

look right and it's definitely a

55:43

confirmed reptile. And it had hundreds

55:46

of thousands of plays and thousands

55:49

of shares and comments and it's

55:52

now, it's like right now, But

55:54

back then, what was going on?

55:56

Oh back there's a great Vox article

55:58

by a journalist alex

56:01

Abad Santos in twenty

56:03

fifteen. This writer

56:06

noted there could be real world consequences

56:09

when we confuse good stories

56:11

with facts, and especially

56:13

when it gets weaponized. Right by the

56:16

students of Bernese, I should

56:18

say the disciples thereof, and there's

56:21

the article is a must read. It's really

56:23

good. It's from twenty fifteen, but it holds up

56:25

today, and pointed out some polling

56:28

that I had no idea existed.

56:29

Oh this is fascinating. Yeah, I really

56:32

did blow my mind as well.

56:33

To quote.

56:34

Back in April of twenty thirteen, Public Policy

56:36

Polling conducted a poll about conspiracy

56:38

theories like aliens and imposter Paul McCartney

56:41

and of course lizard people, and the

56:43

polling organization found that four percent of Americans

56:46

believe in lizard people, while

56:48

another seven percent were

56:50

unsure. Asimulatter taken

56:53

to its absurd extreme, that would imply around

56:56

twelve million Americans.

56:59

Heard the phrase lizard people and said, yeah,

57:03

sounds about right. Yeah, someone's asking

57:05

the real questions.

57:06

I'm going back to movies from twenty

57:08

thirteen, guys, just to like see what's in

57:11

the popular mind.

57:13

Yeah, the box office.

57:16

Well, I mean there's interesting stuff when you look

57:18

at some of the science fiction. That

57:21

movie Dark Skies came out that didn't get

57:23

a ton of you know show.

57:25

I guess there was a movie about one

57:27

of Jupiter's moons called the Europa Report.

57:30

That's when after Earth came out, Remember

57:32

that one with when Will Smith?

57:35

Oh no, Will Smith?

57:36

Yeah, yeah, okay Will

57:38

Smith's kid yeah, oh yes. And isn't

57:41

Will Smith in it too? Maybe not? Maybe so I

57:43

can't remember, but like.

57:44

Just s of There's Game came that

57:47

year.

57:48

Yep, oh my god, you guys.

57:50

This is a deep cut and I hope you guys have seen this.

57:52

It's a Villa Neov film called

57:55

Enemy, starring Jake Gillenhall.

57:57

That movie is entirely about.

58:00

Like it's not it's not reptiles, it's more

58:02

Iraq knet, but it's definitely there's

58:04

something going on with humanity that this one

58:07

guy is trying to get to the bottom of. It's a very

58:09

Lynchian art film, but absolutely

58:12

doppelganger Freaky City.

58:14

I highly recommend Enemy.

58:17

That's also your snow Piercer was was

58:19

like remade in an American version.

58:21

There's the Pacific Rim came out

58:23

that year. Just this, there's a lot

58:26

of thought going into maybe

58:29

conspiratorial things up some some

58:32

group above the.

58:33

Boss University, conspiratorial

58:36

cosmic corp or sci fi.

58:37

World war Z, somebody had plans

58:40

or whatever to take over.

58:42

Yeah, and we we see that

58:44

this is in the zeikeis twelve million

58:46

Americans is a lot of people.

58:49

Yeah, not the biggest demographic

58:51

in all of the pie slices

58:54

of the United States, but it's

58:56

huge. And you can easily

58:59

find that David

59:01

Ike's work in particular as ardent

59:04

proponents, not satirical proponents,

59:07

but ardent believers in well

59:10

over forty five countries. Right.

59:12

Something about this idea seems

59:14

to resonate with people. And

59:17

this is the same reason

59:20

that works like the Secret

59:22

Doctrine and the myths that got

59:24

kind of plagiarized to make that book. This is the

59:26

reason they were all so popular in

59:29

their day.

59:30

Oh yeah, quickly, guys,

59:32

some of the myths that are a part

59:35

of the Secret Doctrine, specifically the second

59:37

book in that series. Because she

59:39

only wrote two. There's a third one that's written by somebody

59:42

else, and then a fourth one that's like a compendium

59:44

of all of them.

59:45

It becomes kind of like Lovecrafty

59:47

and mythos again when the authors pass around

59:49

the story and add their own

59:51

avocado to the thing.

59:53

Oh yeah, and like you said, it goes back to other

59:55

myths, right. But then Blovatski's

59:58

another person who said she read

1:00:00

this one book and she was doing meditations,

1:00:02

and she was again almost a

1:00:05

message was being channeled through her. That

1:00:07

becomes what is known as the Secret Doctrine.

1:00:10

But in that there is this concept

1:00:12

that these serpents of wisdom,

1:00:15

these great dragons, whatever all this

1:00:17

stuff is, they they

1:00:19

are a group of some

1:00:22

form of creature that uses

1:00:24

serpents to describe them, right, that

1:00:26

live underground. They live in subterranean

1:00:29

areas, at least according

1:00:31

to Bolovatski and whatever she you know, whatever

1:00:34

information she's going on, they live underneath

1:00:37

some type of pyramidal structures.

1:00:40

So if we blow this out and imagine this thing,

1:00:43

this concept, right, think about

1:00:45

the ancient pyramids that exist across the planet,

1:00:48

Like literally in every continent there are pyramidal

1:00:50

structures.

1:00:51

Or just mountains that look

1:00:53

like pyramids.

1:00:55

Well yeah, but in many cases they are they

1:00:57

are man

1:00:59

made rtures. This

1:01:01

concept that this is where

1:01:03

I was taking it, guys, this concept that there

1:01:06

was some ancient humanoid

1:01:09

creatures that were very smart and intelligent

1:01:11

that survived whatever apocalypse

1:01:13

occurred by going underground. And

1:01:16

the humans either created these pyramid

1:01:18

structures to you know, keep

1:01:21

them down there or to you

1:01:24

know, whatever it is, to

1:01:26

protect themselves from these creatures. Right

1:01:29

then, then I imagined all of the

1:01:33

ultra wealthy people that exist now that

1:01:35

will survive whatever apocalypse comes

1:01:38

that we're going to experience at some point in

1:01:40

the next several thousand years, because you

1:01:43

know, it's time again for another one of those they

1:01:46

will They may be the only humanoids

1:01:49

quote unquote that survive because

1:01:52

they go underground again.

1:01:55

Uh.

1:01:55

And it just made me think about, well, if there was

1:01:57

some type of intelligent reptilian

1:01:59

thing that survived the last great

1:02:01

destruction, that would probably

1:02:04

be how they would do.

1:02:05

It, and probably be a maritime

1:02:07

There's a great book, oh

1:02:09

gosh, what's his name, Neil Stevenson. It's called Seven

1:02:12

Eves. It's never

1:02:14

going to be adapted, but it absolutely should.

1:02:16

It struggles with that same question, like who

1:02:19

survives in a world ending event?

1:02:21

This is not even this is just how weirdly high

1:02:23

stakes the book is. The first sentence is

1:02:25

something like, all at once,

1:02:28

for no reason, the moon blew apart, and

1:02:31

then it talks about how fragments of the moon fall

1:02:33

down to Earth and people, enormously

1:02:35

wealthy people, governments, religious

1:02:38

leaders all try to survive and figure

1:02:40

out where they would go. So I think this

1:02:42

is Oh gosh, I've derailed

1:02:45

us. This is just an excuse for me to talk about how

1:02:47

I love that freaking book.

1:02:49

Well, it's just a thought experiment, right, I guess, is what

1:02:51

I'm saying. Like, all of that stuff, even that's included

1:02:53

in the Secret Doctrine, to me, sounds like a

1:02:55

thought experiment that is interesting to apply

1:02:58

to the future rather than and even

1:03:00

back then.

1:03:01

Because this is another thing. I'm glad you're

1:03:03

bringing that up. We have to be careful

1:03:05

when we're saying there

1:03:07

is no objective proof about something, because

1:03:10

if we are interrogating

1:03:12

this in the realm of folklore, then we have

1:03:14

to realize the important thing is it's

1:03:17

meant to teach us a lesson, something

1:03:19

to take with us when situations

1:03:22

like this occur. Right, the specific

1:03:25

characteristics of a boogeyman in

1:03:27

the woods might not be real, but

1:03:29

it does teach you the woods are dangerous, you

1:03:32

know what I mean. So it's not necessarily

1:03:34

malevolent or drifting. I mean, it also

1:03:36

shows us these ideas do not have to

1:03:39

be true to have real world effects.

1:03:41

And a lot of times, especially when this was kind

1:03:44

of weaponized in US elections,

1:03:47

the people who are weaponizing these stories

1:03:49

and trying to get you to do stuff. They

1:03:51

don't care whether or not the story

1:03:53

is true. It's just an ideological

1:03:56

door to get you to move

1:03:58

in footstep with what they actually

1:04:01

want, whatever that real conspiracy

1:04:03

may be. That's the thing we have

1:04:06

to pay attention to, not what the right hand

1:04:08

is waving, but what the left hand is holding

1:04:10

behind its back. I'm getting too weird with

1:04:13

the similes analogies. I don't

1:04:15

know. Maybe I'm becoming a lizard person.

1:04:17

Do you guys ever wonder if you're definitely

1:04:20

become strange that it becomes strang?

1:04:22

Yes, I should have just texted

1:04:24

you that instead of saying I couldn't make it to

1:04:27

hang out you. Oh,

1:04:29

you're right, We've got to bring that back. No, I don't know.

1:04:31

I really appreciate you

1:04:34

you consistently referring to this as folkloric.

1:04:36

You know, in nature, we feel

1:04:39

that way in terms of a lot of these kinds

1:04:41

of stories. You know, whether there's a grain of truth

1:04:43

to them or not, the life that they take

1:04:45

on beyond whatever that grain is ends up

1:04:47

becoming the thing that captures people's imaginations.

1:04:50

But I really like the idea of this as

1:04:52

kind of a parable for how power

1:04:55

is kind of manifested, you know, and

1:04:57

passed on and just this knee

1:05:00

to believe there's some nefarious force

1:05:02

other than just the nefarious

1:05:05

force is inherent and being a human

1:05:07

that are causing the bad things to happen to

1:05:10

us in the world. I think it's natural

1:05:12

to want to, you know, blame something on that that

1:05:15

is outside of ourselves. But at the end of the day,

1:05:17

I think people are just as capable of

1:05:20

evil stuff as weird alien

1:05:22

reptiles.

1:05:23

Well, it almost speaks to the desire of power

1:05:26

as being some infectious

1:05:29

thing that's handed down that isn't actually exactly

1:05:31

a part of what we are or could

1:05:34

be or should be, right, just that

1:05:37

the desire to seize power and then

1:05:39

hold it is outside

1:05:42

of us.

1:05:44

Yeah, and there's this

1:05:47

there's one thing we have to end on, like before

1:05:50

we get to it, the penultimate thing you're wondering,

1:05:52

am I a lizard person? With? Thanks

1:05:55

to the journalist Philip Bump, there

1:05:58

is a that example of a quick

1:06:01

quiz you can give yourself and

1:06:03

Matt Noll, who we're playing

1:06:06

with this a little bit off air, would

1:06:08

you be comfortable giving your answers to this

1:06:10

brief quiz. Absolutely

1:06:13

all right, Here is a list

1:06:15

of clues that you or someone

1:06:17

you know, maybe a lizard person.

1:06:20

Do they or you have? Number

1:06:22

one green eyes? I

1:06:25

do not.

1:06:26

Does hazel count is

1:06:29

I'm gonna.

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Put it as a point five? Okay, al

1:06:33

you I'm

1:06:35

the wrong person to ask. Unfortunately,

1:06:39

no other green or okay, check

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green eyes? All right, h I'll

1:06:45

have to put in the file. I didn't know. Number

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two. Do you have good eyesight

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or hearing? Excellent eyesights

1:06:53

and hearing.

1:06:54

A terrible eyesight, good

1:06:57

hearing?

1:06:58

All right, Well, I'm putting you both as a yes

1:07:00

for that one. Three red hair? God

1:07:03

crap. You know what's funny?

1:07:05

You know I did used to have some red in

1:07:07

my beard, which is sinsterned

1:07:09

white. But for a time I had

1:07:11

a little red streak in my beard. Can I get

1:07:13

a point five on that one?

1:07:15

Yes? Yes, you've got a point five.

1:07:16

I'll take a one point five.

1:07:18

Yes, this is my

1:07:20

favorite one. By the way. The next one

1:07:22

is so it's so pointed. Do

1:07:25

you have a sense of not belonging to the

1:07:27

human race? Absolutely? Damn

1:07:30

it. I mean Zoom would

1:07:32

want to be in that club, you know what I mean? I

1:07:34

don't blame you. Uh, okay,

1:07:36

five unexplained scars on

1:07:38

the body or are you just not

1:07:41

cool? I got a couple of weird

1:07:43

ones. I feel like it's

1:07:45

normal to have unexplained scars. Do

1:07:47

we remember every time we got a booboo

1:07:50

when we were a little kid?

1:07:51

Is that like regenerated limbs and stuff?

1:07:53

Is that we're talking about?

1:07:54

I cut you know. I was trying to find I

1:07:57

was going through Mysteries of the Unknown,

1:07:59

fantastic series available

1:08:02

on eBay, I guess, and I was trying

1:08:04

to find a longer quiz that had questions

1:08:06

like do you find yourself fascinated

1:08:09

by thunderstorms? Who is not

1:08:11

fascinated by thunderstorms? I mean your

1:08:14

own eyeball?

1:08:15

Do you prefer the taste of small

1:08:17

rodents?

1:08:18

Do you have extra vertebrate? Was one

1:08:20

of the things, and just a couple, just

1:08:23

just a couple, that's

1:08:25

one of the things. Yeah, oh check, okay,

1:08:28

okay, uh, it

1:08:31

is common to have extra vertebrate? Yeah,

1:08:34

do you have? Some of these are such bs?

1:08:36

Do you have a love of space? I

1:08:40

know, I know a couple people who actually

1:08:42

hate space, and I think that's such an interesting

1:08:45

perspective really, I mean, it's terrifying,

1:08:48

but it's awesome.

1:08:49

You know.

1:08:50

Well they're rightly saying, maybe we should fix

1:08:52

Earth. You know what I mean we have Yeah,

1:08:57

well they're like, we have problems at home. Why

1:08:59

are we trying to make problems in orbit?

1:09:01

You know, technically space holds our planet

1:09:04

up. Yeah, in some way

1:09:06

shape or form seven. Do you have low

1:09:08

blood pressure?

1:09:10

And yeah, I think so. Sometimes

1:09:13

pressure is normal. Pull

1:09:16

my charts. That's

1:09:18

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1:09:25

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1:09:34

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1:09:51

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