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Wow. So this week's classic

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episode we recorded

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it shortly after

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the ascendancy of Pope Francis

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H, Pope of the Catholic Church. Uh.

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And you're like, how we specified

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that one? Uh? When

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the current Pope attained

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this position or was elevated to this seat.

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There was a proliferation of

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a certain genre of conspiracy

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theory concerning an organization,

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a group known as the Jesuits.

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That's correct, right after Ratzinger,

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right, and the

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stuff is just flying all around about

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who are who are the Jesuits? And in this episode

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we asked that question. They're the ones

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that did all the sweeping, right, m

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hmm, they swept steps.

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It was a thing we'll find out well.

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In this episode we are going to explore

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this group and find out more from

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they don't want you to now. Hello,

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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and

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I'm Ben, and this is the stuff

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here is to yeah,

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I have Matt do it? Is that cool? Yeah?

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That's totally fine. That's that's also one

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of your one of your favorite phrases

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to hear as an editor, right,

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or as we call them predators here, It's one

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of your favorite things to hear when someone says, oh,

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well we'll fix it, you know, post

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in post. Yeah, that's that's

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a great tactic, A good way to

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save money. Just kick the

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can a little further further

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down the road. But if we

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are talking about money, then

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this makes me h. This makes me think

2:10

of an interesting point that we didn't really touch

2:13

on in our videos this

2:15

week. Uh, the Jesuits

2:17

are doing pretty well financially well,

2:19

yeah, Ben, what what's the best

2:21

way to acquire wealth?

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The the most efficient way

2:28

to acquire wealth as

2:30

a group or a person? Oh

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well, to be a nonprofit or

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a religious organization, something exempt

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from taxation in some countries. That's really

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good. You know. Another way, what's that? Um

2:43

too? Have

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wealth given to you

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or passed down to you from

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generation upon generation upon

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generation upon generation, and

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uh, the group we're talking about today has been

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around for a while. Yeah.

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Today, ladies and gentlemen, we

3:03

are talking about the Society

3:05

of Jesus, otherwise known as

3:08

uh the Jesuits. One

3:10

thing that we found very interesting,

3:13

both Matt and I, was that

3:15

as soon as the current Pope,

3:18

as we record this, uh, became

3:20

the actual pope, Uh, there

3:22

was this huge resurgence of

3:25

rumors and conspiracy theories about

3:27

the Society of Jesus. And I don't know about

3:29

you, man, but I had no idea

3:32

that this was a long running

3:36

concept, you know. Um,

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So, so what do we know about the Jesuits.

3:40

Let's start with the history. So to start

3:42

with the Jesuits, let's let's look at the founder,

3:44

Ignacious of Loyola. Now,

3:47

this guy was a soldier in

3:49

the fifteen hundreds and

3:52

he was wounded by

3:54

a cannonball that broke one of his legs pretty

3:56

horribly, and um,

3:59

well it kind of led to the

4:02

founding because of his spiritual uh

4:05

findings once when he was injured.

4:07

And we'll talk about that a little later. But

4:09

Ignatius himself was born October fourteen

4:13

ninety three. His name at that

4:15

time was Inigo Lopez de

4:17

Lawyer. Ah. Yeah,

4:19

and uh, he was

4:22

not always the

4:24

most godly man, right. Uh,

4:27

he was a warrior man. Right. It's a very

4:29

different cast in that system. Now,

4:31

the battle we mentioned in the videos

4:33

where he was wounded was the Battle

4:36

of Pabolona, which occurred

4:38

in fifteen one. Now, during this

4:40

process, he was very close

4:42

to death. Yeah, it was. It was pretty grim.

4:44

If you get injured in your legs, especially by a

4:47

cannonball back in the day, there's not much that

4:49

can be done for you. Yeah, and this is

4:51

before the advent of modern

4:53

medicine, what we would call modern medicine. Um.

4:56

So he survived, but

4:58

he always would have a limp despite

5:00

several surgeries. And when

5:03

they did surgeries back

5:05

in year old fifteen twenties,

5:08

Uh, there was an anesthetic. I mean there

5:10

was booze. Yeah, bite this leather, Bite

5:13

this leather. Yeah.

5:15

He read a book while he was recovering.

5:17

It took a very long time, and it was a book called

5:19

De Vita Christy, a commentary

5:22

on the life of Jesus Christ and on

5:24

the Gospels. When we're looking at this, it's

5:26

weird is that it's like this

5:28

mixtape of sixty

5:30

different other Christian

5:32

writer's opinions about

5:35

the Gospels. Yeah, and this this

5:37

book really triggered his conversion,

5:40

his religious conversion, and

5:42

he was he says that he had visions

5:45

during this time that were,

5:47

you know, leading him in this direction.

5:49

And in fifty three he made a pilgrimage

5:52

to the Holy Land um, but he wasn't

5:54

allowed to stay for more than a few days, and

5:56

they kind of shipped him back off to Europe. Right.

5:59

Yeah, the situation, Shan's pretty unsafe.

6:01

You know, he's limping like a

6:04

madman. Uh in the situation.

6:06

By the way, we have the benefit of retrospect,

6:09

the situation was unsafe for everyone

6:11

there. It wasn't just uh,

6:14

you know, some some group of totally

6:16

innocent Europeans sitting around

6:19

the Middle East. There were some there

6:21

were some hard cases on both sides, and

6:23

they thought he should not

6:26

be there. He studied at several

6:28

universities for the next

6:30

eleven years, Barcelona, uh

6:33

Acala, Salamanca, Paris,

6:35

and in fifteen thirty four gets

6:39

his crew together. I don't think they

6:41

call him cruise back. Then he gets a group of friends

6:43

and some followers and they take

6:46

two vows. They vow to commit

6:48

themselves to poverty and chastity.

6:51

Now those are two very important reoccurring

6:53

themes that we'll see in in the vowels

6:56

and the the things that are held

6:58

sacred within the Society of

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Jesus. Now at this point they

7:02

did something interesting

7:04

to me, at least, they went

7:07

to Rome and went directly to the Pope,

7:10

to Pope Paul the third, and

7:13

they offered their services

7:15

to him. I imagine that being

7:17

a pope. And then this group of guys walk up. We're

7:19

like, hello, Pope, um,

7:22

we we just want to do everything

7:24

for you, anything you need. And

7:27

they seem to have this interesting slant

7:29

on security. Yeah. Their

7:31

their idea is that they

7:34

will be directly answerable

7:37

only to the Pope and only

7:39

to the head of their order,

7:42

the who they called the Superior General

7:44

or whom they called the Superior General. So

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in fifteen Pope Paul three, by

7:49

the way, is down for this. In fifteen

7:51

forty, Ignacious of Loyola officially

7:54

founds the Society of Jesus UH

7:56

and he's got the Pope co signing him. So

7:58

he writes simple rule for his order UH.

8:01

No specific form of dress, which

8:03

was a little bit controversial at the time, no

8:05

regular commitment to attend particular

8:08

services. You know, some other orders

8:10

have a fairly specific uh

8:13

schedule for lack of a better word, and

8:16

Jesuits, as they came to be called,

8:18

are free to move fast wherever

8:21

they're needed. And that means

8:23

that if if today

8:25

Pope Francis contacts

8:28

the Jesuit Order and says I need

8:30

people to do X, Y or Z, then

8:32

they want to have people ready to go

8:35

mobile and active at all

8:37

times. Yeah, and this goes back to now

8:39

you'll recall there's some very important events

8:41

in Christian history during this time. Uh,

8:44

the Jesuits were already

8:47

at the pope side, is like his cabinet and

8:49

council way back during the Council

8:51

of Trent. Now here's the

8:53

crazy thing. By by the end of Loyola's

8:56

life around fifty

8:59

six, this group has grown from

9:01

just a small group of friends that went to talk to the

9:03

Pope to over a thousand members.

9:06

And that's some pretty huge growth,

9:08

especially for the time. Right,

9:10

they are mainly at this point in Europe where the task

9:12

of the order is teaching and arguing

9:15

against the Protestant cause.

9:18

But but they're also

9:20

going outside of the West. My friend to Latin

9:22

America to India, the ideas

9:25

that they will aggressively, assertively proselytize

9:28

to the great unwashed. Yeah, and they're they're

9:30

putting up churches in these places and

9:33

I mean some some really interesting

9:35

exploration that they're doing right.

9:38

And they they have a

9:40

debatable, at times controversial

9:43

involvement. Of course, students

9:45

of history will recall that the

9:48

Catholic churches involvement for good

9:50

and for ill in areas

9:53

across the world during the European

9:55

expansion. But Matt, something

9:57

that is interesting to me that you earlier mentioned

10:00

is that you said this was sort of a

10:02

military order. Well, yeah, they're focused

10:04

on security, so they kind of come to

10:06

be known as this military

10:09

let's say arm, or like the right

10:11

the right arm of the Catholic

10:13

Church. And they

10:15

they use their power and

10:18

influence in that way.

10:20

And you may even hear these guys of

10:22

the Jesuits called God's Soldiers, which

10:24

is pretty interesting, or even God's Marines.

10:28

And officially this is because

10:30

Ignacious. You know, he was a soldier, that's his

10:32

background, that's what he was good at. Um

10:35

it kind of gave him, let's

10:37

say, this organizational ability

10:40

and experience that you that you

10:42

wouldn't usually find in someone at this level

10:44

or doing this kind of work. And

10:48

then then the order starts to just expand

10:51

across the planet. They're going to Brazil,

10:53

Japan, all over the place that

10:56

it is. And okay,

10:59

so this this

11:01

loyalty that they have deep rooted

11:03

loyalty to the papacy,

11:06

it's kind of problematic for other groups,

11:08

and the Jesuits are seen as dangerous

11:11

by a lot of other people right inside

11:13

and outside the church. And let's spend some time

11:15

here, because if you think about it,

11:17

it does make sense. Imagine

11:20

you live in Japan

11:23

and you all of a sudden, have

11:25

these Europeans never

11:28

seen a European before? What the heck

11:30

is going on there? They come in

11:32

and they say, you know, this is our

11:34

religion. We're here to teach

11:36

you to read like civilized

11:39

people. And of course, you, being Japanese, say

11:42

you guys should learn to read like civilized people

11:44

and speak Japanese. But it's

11:47

strange because their allegiance

11:50

is to another European that

11:52

you, as a Japanese person, never ever met

11:54

and probably won't. And they

11:56

are answerable only to this

11:59

guy, to you, not to your authorities,

12:01

not to anybody else you the head of a religious

12:04

order, right, and for

12:08

people within the church and other orders,

12:10

this is even stranger because

12:12

you know how you've seen cop movies

12:15

or TV like procedural

12:18

crime shows right where there's

12:21

always this scene when the local sheriff

12:24

is mad that the federal

12:26

agent is coming in and busting his balls

12:29

jurisdiction. Now, no, this is NBI

12:32

case. This is a CDC in

12:34

here, a t F here. Just

12:36

want to check if there's any tobacco as

12:38

a tobacco related crime or alcohol

12:41

maybe have to intercede us. Yeah, don't

12:43

tell anyone. We're not supposed to function inside the US,

12:45

but we're taking over. Yeah,

12:48

exactly. So this kind of game, and

12:51

this is similar to what happens

12:54

when a Jesuit order

12:57

Jesuit representatives on on some sort

12:59

of mission interact with local,

13:02

uh, local Catholic authorities. There

13:04

can be this this weird thing where you say,

13:06

well, I am the priest of

13:08

this church, this this

13:11

community, and it's my job to

13:13

do X. And the Jesuits come in and say,

13:16

actually, big guy, we're

13:19

talking to Paul. We just call him Paul uh,

13:21

and we're gonna we're

13:23

gonna take it from here. Well, and they had this extra

13:25

emphasis on mission work and

13:28

education work, which kind of put them at

13:30

the fringes of I don't know

13:32

what you would call it, but where Catholicism

13:35

really was holding sway. So they

13:37

were kind of this weird front lines strong

13:41

arm power. But at the same time, we're hey,

13:43

we're focusing on an education and we're

13:45

just doing mission work here. It's cool, guys,

13:47

right, They weren't raising villages

13:50

to the ground. They were they were much

13:52

more likely to assimilate

13:55

if they could and work

13:57

with the existing power structure

14:00

of a place, which later became a problem. But

14:02

anyway, for all of these reasons,

14:04

and these are reasons, they were often

14:06

the victims of rumors, speculation,

14:10

accusations. Notice I didn't say wild

14:12

accusations. I just said accusation.

14:15

Yeah, and it's kind of their

14:17

fault. What what do you mean, Well,

14:20

they invented the system called causestry.

14:24

It offered loopholes for all

14:26

sorts of really not good things.

14:29

Okay, so it's all right to lie

14:31

if it's for the good of the church. It's really

14:34

helping to spread the truth of

14:36

the Gospel. Therefore, it's

14:39

a lie in service of the truth. Therefore,

14:41

I'm not really in trouble stuff like that. Yeah,

14:44

yeah, good things like that. Uh

14:46

right. And for an example of

14:49

the rumors that they would have, a guy

14:51

in France named Blaze Pascal wrote a

14:53

book called or a piece called

14:56

Provincial Letters exposing what

14:58

he said were abu uses

15:00

by the Jesuits and then other

15:03

places all pretty much all in Europe.

15:05

There were controversies over Jesuit rights,

15:07

theological disputes, and they're close

15:10

adherence to Rome, you

15:12

know. And okay, so let's

15:14

just go back to about how these guys

15:16

are out on the fringes. So a lot of people

15:19

didn't see them in

15:21

the way that maybe they would have liked to be perceived,

15:24

because they're not working with any local groups,

15:27

right at least from a top

15:29

down perspective, from where they get their orders.

15:31

They get their orders from way over

15:33

there in Rome, just the Pope

15:36

and then their own general. They also

15:38

worked with suppressed Catholic communities

15:41

that were under at that time Protestant rule.

15:44

Yeah that's a real conspiracy too. Yeah.

15:47

Yeah, if you're if you're living

15:49

in a uh let's say, an area

15:51

where there is Protestant rule, and then you're

15:53

this tiny little Catholic community that's

15:55

existing in there. The Jesuits have your back, man,

15:58

I mean, and that's a cool thing to know, I

16:00

guess at the time, Yeah, you meet, they

16:02

had people meeting in secret to conduct

16:04

services, and uh, there was

16:06

a pretty good YouTube summation

16:09

I saw on this. Um oh,

16:11

I wish I could remember the guy's names. But

16:13

there is a Jesuit YouTube channel

16:16

where they have where they have members

16:18

of the Order answering questions,

16:21

explaining things, and they have a great video

16:23

about the idea of Jesuit conspiracy

16:26

theories where they talk about

16:28

how there would be these little closets

16:31

or secret hideaways for priests

16:33

and so uh, this, they

16:36

argue, gave rise to many of

16:38

the later theories about the you

16:41

know, Jesuit World Order or something, because

16:43

people would look at these houses and say,

16:46

oh, what, what's up with that little

16:48

hidden closet space and they would say,

16:50

oh, that's where we, you know, put the Jesuit

16:53

priest. And that's a weird thing to say

16:55

to people, because we had to take communion and

16:57

we didn't have anybody and you know, those proudest

16:59

then, so always barging in, barging

17:02

in looking for communion opportunities

17:04

anyway, So the Jesuits

17:06

gained a lot of influence. And this

17:08

is as you said, because

17:11

they are educators and

17:13

they are establishing schools

17:15

that at a time when there's not,

17:18

you know, a really feasible public

17:20

school system. So they're getting

17:22

the kids of the of the wealthy,

17:24

the kids of the influential, and they're

17:27

molding young minds. They're winning

17:29

hearts and minds. It's quite brilliant. We

17:33

should start school. So church

17:35

officials become increasingly concerned

17:37

about the power of the society

17:39

of Jesus. They are in the high

17:41

circles the courts. You know, people

17:44

have what they would call like

17:46

their court jesuit and stuff. Um,

17:48

well, yeah, I

17:51

don't know, but you see what I'm saying. I see

17:53

exactly what you're saying. So all of these

17:55

fears and rumors kind of culminated.

17:58

On July seven, teen

18:00

seventy three, one Pope Clement dissolved

18:04

the order. Oh man,

18:06

that's tough. Well yeah, it's

18:08

pretty crazy. But by that point it's already been

18:10

officially abolished in a couple other places

18:13

France, Spain. Um, I

18:15

think there might have been a couple more. But

18:18

Clement claimed that he was doing this

18:20

only as a move to make peace within

18:22

the church because there was a lot

18:24

of tension, I see. So he said,

18:27

nothing personal for the good of the family.

18:29

We're just gonna comment down for a little bit. You

18:31

guys aren't officially the Jesuits anymore.

18:33

But that didn't that didn't last for long.

18:36

Right in eighteen fourteen, the society

18:38

was restored, and everybody remember the name

18:40

Clement fourteenth because we're gonna come back

18:42

to him. But that's you

18:44

know, these are some of the controversies. Is some of the

18:47

history of Jesuits. What's going on with

18:49

him today? Well, you they

18:51

have a website. That's a that's another

18:53

good thing, a good start. From

18:55

their official website. This is a quote.

18:58

With close to seventeen thousand and plus

19:00

priests and brothers worldwide, we are the

19:02

largest male religious order in the Catholic

19:05

Church. We are pastors, teachers,

19:07

and chaplains. We are also

19:09

doctors, lawyers, astronomers,

19:12

among many other roles in church and society.

19:14

In our varied ministries, we care for the whole

19:17

person, body, mind and soul,

19:19

and especially in our education ministries,

19:22

we seek to nurture men and women

19:24

for others. Now as

19:27

members of a religious order.

19:29

The Jesuits take three vows.

19:31

None of them are the fake

19:34

vow that is all over the internet.

19:37

As far as we know, there three vows or

19:39

poverty, chastity, and

19:41

obedience, And

19:43

when you were fully initiated into the order,

19:45

there's a fourth vow of obedience, specifically

19:48

in regard to the worldwide mission

19:51

of bringing the

19:53

world closer to Christ. And

19:55

that last one is just that

19:58

kind of vow. It's very serious

20:01

in this context. But every

20:03

every religion has that same

20:05

goal. I would argue, well, yeah, most

20:08

most religions in some way,

20:10

uh, proselytize, but

20:13

not I mean not all most

20:15

religious I think either proselytize or

20:18

attempt to maintain in an

20:20

insular coherence. Although that

20:23

that's a little bit overwritten for me to say

20:25

it that way. You know, it's weird. Is right,

20:27

as I was reading that, my energy is going up and I felt

20:29

like an advertisement on a radio

20:32

station you know where they're they're

20:34

like the first ever Jesuit Pope,

20:37

Pope Francis. Sorry,

20:41

guys, those are advertisements we hear all the time

20:44

for clubs in Atlanta. God and

20:46

I heard one coming in. But yeah, but it

20:48

is. It is a huge, unprecedented

20:51

event, and it's one of the reasons

20:54

that so many people have been coming out

20:56

of the would work saying, you know the

20:58

thing about the jessual once it was wooa

21:02

Which leads us to Matt my favorite

21:05

part of this show. Let's talk about

21:08

some of these theories.

21:11

Here's where it gets crazy. Yes,

21:13

Matt, here's where it gets crazy.

21:16

But first we have something

21:19

that I need to ask you about. Oh

21:22

all right, all right, man, I'm gonna level with

21:24

you. So you're more savvy than

21:26

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21:29

and podcast and all the other things

21:32

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21:39

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21:41

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21:46

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21:48

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could go to I don't know where you want to go to

22:11

Las Vegas? Well yeah, usually well,

22:13

heck man, you could listen to like at

22:16

least two full audio books, like so,

22:19

I've got a question audio book and

22:21

when is this kind of book for people's ears?

22:23

That's exactly what it is. All right. Well, I'm back

22:26

up to speed, and it's a good thing because I

22:28

have a lot of stuff to check out here. You

22:31

guys know, if you are longtime listeners

22:33

to this show that Matt and I have always

22:35

enjoyed recommending books. And

22:38

as we're looking through Audible today, we're

22:40

trying to find some recommendations

22:42

for stuff you could get, because since there

22:44

are over a hundred thousand choices,

22:47

you've got a lot to wade through. And we found

22:49

something that we think you will enjoy

22:51

if you enjoy history, a

22:54

little bit of skull duggery, a little

22:56

bit of conspiratorial stuff.

22:58

Um, it's called the Jesuit

23:01

and the skull evolution

23:05

and the search of peaking Man. Yes,

23:07

so this goes back to December nine

23:10

in a cave near Pee King, a group of anthropologists

23:13

and archaeologists, including a young

23:15

French Jesuit priest named Pierre Dan.

23:18

How did day chardin I can't

23:20

do it as well as Matt can. Anyway, they

23:22

uncover a pre human skull. It

23:24

quickly becomes known around the world is the Peaking

23:26

Man, and it was acclaimed as the missing link

23:28

between erect hunting apes and chrome

23:31

magnets. It also became a provocative

23:33

piece of evidence and the royaling debate

23:36

over creationism versus

23:38

evolution. So, guys, if you

23:41

want this, or if you're interested in any of this, go

23:43

to audible podcast dot com slash

23:45

stuff. They don't want you to know. Yeah, that's

23:47

our huge show name right there at the

23:49

end. Uh, And you can get your free

23:51

audible download. You can get a free one of these. You

23:53

can download the Jesuit in the Skull right

23:56

now if you want to. It doesn't have to be

23:58

the Jesuit in the Skull. You can get any one

24:00

of these books. Uh. This is just one

24:02

that we thought was interesting and that

24:05

we are probably going to download. And

24:07

you know, man, if you have to type out

24:09

that whole web address audible

24:11

podcast, dot com forward slash stuff, they

24:13

don't want you to know, I feel like you

24:16

are owed a book for that's right, that

24:18

is right. We appreciate it and I'm sure

24:20

Audible appreciates it. Well, just let us

24:23

know if you guys have a book

24:25

that you would like us to recommend to

24:27

the rest of the listening audience

24:29

out here. And now the

24:32

moment that at least I've

24:34

been waiting for. I don't know if we all have. Yeah,

24:37

yeah, okay, good, let's get weird with

24:39

it. Let's talk about some of this crazy

24:42

stuff we're alluding to. Jesuits

24:44

Matt have been accused of being assassins,

24:47

of killing everybody from distant

24:49

priests to actual popes and

24:51

even US presidents. What

24:54

yeah, what indeed? Okay, so let's

24:56

talk about a couple of these. Ben let's go back

24:58

to Pope Clement the fourteen who spoke

25:01

about earlier. Oh yeah, yeah, Well remember

25:03

he signed those documents and the Jesuits were

25:05

dissolved officially seventeen seventy

25:07

three or something. Well, you know, just

25:10

I mean, I guess it happens. He fell ill,

25:13

just got a little sick, and he died, and

25:15

according to a lot of legends, his last

25:18

words were, quote, I

25:20

am dying. It is a very dangerous

25:23

thing to attack the Jesuits. Ah

25:26

yeah, it's According to solving the Mystery

25:28

of Babylon the Great by a guy named Edward

25:30

Hendry. And what's strange about

25:32

this is the timing because the

25:35

Pope, Pope Clement passed

25:38

away in September of that year and

25:40

it was during the summer of that year that he

25:43

dissolved the order. And you'll

25:46

see various bits

25:48

of evidence are alleged

25:50

evidence about this. But but it's interesting.

25:53

One that's a little further out there too is Abraham

25:55

Lincoln. Yeah, this idea

25:58

dates as far back as eighteen eighty

26:00

six, when a guy named Charles Chiniquy

26:02

wrote fifty years in the Church of Rome alleging

26:05

that the Catholic Church killed Abraham

26:08

Lincoln. Wow.

26:10

Why though, Uh, people

26:13

dismiss the claim today, at least

26:15

for Lincoln, but not so much for Clement. The

26:18

Clement claim do, especially because

26:20

of the timeline, like you just said, Uh,

26:22

seems to be a little more interesting to people

26:25

and maybe have a little more weight. It should also

26:27

be noted that John Wilkes

26:30

Booth was not

26:32

a Catholic. Okay, John

26:34

was Booth, the assassin of Abraham

26:37

Lincoln. So that's

26:39

that's interesting, the assassination stuff.

26:41

And I'm hoping that I can get some

26:43

more primary sources to

26:46

figure out what the

26:48

story is with Clement fourteen.

26:50

I mean, make no mistake, the idea that uh,

26:54

the Jesuits would ever assassinate

26:56

a pope is seems very

26:58

strange and against their harder and exactly

27:01

opposite, right, Yeah, it's literally the opposite.

27:03

So this is dismissed um

27:05

in in the mainstream. Categorically

27:07

there aren't There are not you know, historians

27:11

or professors who say, oh,

27:13

yeah, they killed him, Buddha, don't tell anybody,

27:15

all right, But I would say, you

27:17

know, if you just got dissolved and you

27:20

want to still be the Jesuits, if

27:22

you take one pope out, guess what happens

27:25

another pope comes in. Yeah,

27:28

I don't you know. I'm still again

27:30

looking into this, but we'd like to hear what you

27:32

think, readers, and why. Uh. And

27:35

that's just one conspiracy theory

27:37

about Jesuits. There's the other one that

27:39

they actively work to subvert world

27:42

governments to Catholicism.

27:44

Yeah. Well, here's the thing, ben

27:47

It kind of already happened in South America

27:49

at least a yes, when the Europeans

27:51

began colonizing and

27:54

in some cases terrorizing

27:57

native people of South America

27:59

specifically. Uh, well, Jesuits

28:01

did actively work to win

28:03

people over to Catholicism.

28:06

But again, a lot of these claims

28:08

rise up when there's a lot of anti Jesuit

28:11

sentiment at the time. Oh yeah, anti

28:13

Catholic sentiment. You know. It's funny.

28:15

I was talking to uh, some friends

28:18

of ours that are a little bit older, and they

28:20

were telling me about the big controversy

28:23

when JFK was

28:25

elected president, especially in Boston,

28:27

you know, him being Catholic. A

28:29

lot of this stuff came up, you know, and they would

28:32

say, oh, well, now the United States

28:34

just works for the pope because

28:36

the president is Catholic. Oh

28:38

man, well, okay, So here's the Here

28:41

is one of the most important ones for me. This

28:44

right here stems from the

28:46

alleged oath, the secret oath

28:48

that has been around the internet that we talked about, that

28:52

the Jesuits can and will

28:54

commit any number of sins and or

28:57

crimes according to their secret

28:59

oaths, including actively

29:01

lying about this right here. Ah.

29:04

So the oath is literally stuff they don't

29:06

want you to know. It's okay to lie about

29:08

the oath where you say it's okay to lie. Yeah,

29:10

a little bit that goes

29:13

that goes to that secret oath that

29:15

we discussed. Oh yeah, this comes

29:17

from a work called the Monita

29:19

Strata, which I am probably

29:21

mispronouncing, and we found

29:24

we found some people who made

29:26

a fairly good case that this was a forgery.

29:29

But uh, it's

29:31

a forgery that almost reads like

29:33

satire. It's that far out there.

29:35

And you can find out more

29:37

about that in our video

29:40

on in both of our videos actually that

29:42

came out this week about the Jesuits. And

29:44

then there's the idea that, of course, if the Pope

29:47

tells them to do something, they

29:49

do it and it does not matter what it is.

29:51

So the Pope could say, hey, kill that

29:53

guy and they would say cool,

29:56

you know they really

29:59

all right, that's the idea,

30:01

right, um. And then we

30:04

should differentiate which popes

30:06

we're talking about, right, because there's

30:08

a there's another one, right. Well, you

30:11

got the Pope and the real Pope,

30:13

the Pope, the one that exists, uh,

30:15

and then you got the Black Pope, which

30:18

is a nickname given to the Superior

30:21

General, the leader of the Jesuit Order.

30:23

In a earlier video, Matt,

30:25

you and I talked about Pope John

30:28

Paul the first, right, I'm

30:31

sorry, man, I just have these images of

30:33

that new show on Adult Swim, Black Jesus

30:36

but with Black Pope, and I

30:38

just think that that would be funny and Adult

30:40

Swim you should make a sequel. Now

30:43

that the name black Pope in

30:45

this case is uh not a

30:47

name that the Catholic Church necessarily

30:50

condones. It's a bit of a pejorative and

30:53

it's not exactly compliment um.

30:55

It started out as a nickname that came

30:57

from the plain black robes that

31:01

the Jesuit Order would wear. But

31:04

it also came and I

31:06

think it stems mainly from Protestants

31:09

in the sixteenth century saying

31:11

that this guy, the Superior General the Jesuits

31:14

was a shadow Pope, which I think sounds

31:16

even cooler than black Pope, who

31:19

may wield too much influence on

31:21

the working of the Vatican and the

31:24

working of local governments.

31:26

In our Pope John Paul the first video,

31:29

we talked about the conspiracy

31:31

theory that John Paul

31:34

the First was assassinated at

31:36

the order of the Black Pope

31:39

because he was cleaning

31:41

up the financial dealings

31:43

of the Church, which for decades,

31:46

if not centuries, have been notoriously

31:49

I'm not gonna say corrupt, but

31:52

I will say, um,

31:54

obscure, obscured,

31:57

Okay, I'll go with that, like hidden

32:00

the fans where it would be a cult, uh,

32:03

because occult just means a hidden thing, right.

32:06

So these uh, these finances

32:08

notoriously inscrutable and

32:11

the guy who is delving into them

32:13

to clean him up and he dies. You've

32:16

got to check out the video if you haven't yet. It's a

32:18

it's a very interesting story.

32:21

I agreed. So let's look at

32:23

behind the scenes with some of these

32:25

theories that are out there. This, here's

32:27

where it's this, here's where

32:29

it gets crazy stuff. Well it's

32:32

uh, it's kind of sad bend. But a lot of

32:35

this stuff it seems at least

32:37

to be religious discrimination.

32:40

I see, yeah, just because

32:43

it's a group that is

32:45

easy to uh

32:47

so mistrust about. And

32:50

it makes sense. They're really powerful at the

32:52

time, too super powerful

32:54

group, and you know, I think

32:56

there's a lot of fear when there's power involved.

32:59

Oh yeah, definitely. I mean I can't

33:01

even handle being the first car

33:03

in line at a traffic stops.

33:05

You know, I'm a megalomaniac at that point,

33:08

are you kidding? I'm Kanye West of

33:10

the boulevard meets the avenue. When Van

33:12

hits that front line, I'm like, I'm gonna

33:15

go slow and you're gonna like the music.

33:17

I'm playing really lovely with the music down. Is

33:19

that true? Um?

33:22

That was you man. So

33:24

we know that there are examples of this. To what we're seeing

33:26

is that these kind of accusations have gone

33:28

from pretty much

33:31

the late fifteen hundreds uh,

33:33

all the way from World War two UH

33:36

to UH where for example,

33:38

Nazis also used anti Jesuit

33:40

propaganda to try to discredit the Catholic

33:43

Church in Germany. UH.

33:45

And you know, honestly,

33:48

if we're being completely honest, Matt, it

33:51

is true from everything we found that the Society

33:53

of Jesus has at different times certainly

33:55

been hungry for power and

33:57

garnered political influence. Yeah.

34:00

And you know, they had

34:02

this emphasis on education, so it was

34:04

probably viewed that, you

34:06

know, they're trying to just completely convert

34:09

massive suaves of whatever country

34:12

you're in. I mean, I can see how

34:14

that would be a little scary. Well, there was an

34:16

interesting there was an interesting

34:19

Um, I guess at the time it

34:21

was a debacle in China

34:24

when the Society of Jesus was

34:26

doing mission work there because they assimilated

34:28

so well into the local culture

34:30

and the circles of power that the controversial

34:34

choice they made, which the Pope did not care for,

34:37

was that they said, okay, well, if you were Christian

34:39

and you still want to participate

34:41

in traditional Confucian rights, that's

34:44

fine with us, because it's a cultural thing. We

34:46

think it's cultural. We don't think it's religious.

34:48

Uh. You know, our guys can participate in

34:51

it too, and they got in quite

34:53

a bit of trouble for that. Uh.

34:55

And also you know, it shows

34:57

dissension in the ranks. But with all this

35:00

that I don't know about you, this

35:02

is one of my favorite parts of the show,

35:04

right up there with the let's talk about the crazy stuff.

35:07

That's where I get to ask you what you

35:09

think about this? This whole thing? Man? You

35:11

love it, don't you love making me sit here

35:13

and think really hard, not just

35:15

asking yeah,

35:19

well, man, I I don't know. This is a tough

35:21

one for me because you know, anytime

35:23

you bring religion in UM

35:26

and I'm not trying to be disrespectful to

35:28

anyone, but I think about power, and

35:31

I think about UM a lot of

35:33

times. Great amounts of wealth and

35:36

then when you add this group that

35:39

in my eyes at this point doesn't

35:42

seem to be as evil as a

35:44

lot of the rumors and conspiracy theories would

35:46

say, and not even close to that. I would

35:48

say that they probably do

35:50

have a lot of power still even

35:52

now. Yeah, it's the largest male

35:55

order of the Catholic Church. Still right. And

35:57

you know, as far as

36:00

vow goes, you

36:02

got me on that one. I couldn't tell you

36:04

one way or the other. But everything that we found

36:06

seems to point to it being a forgery. Yeah,

36:09

we I know that we ruffled some

36:12

feathers a little bit when we said this

36:14

thing is a forgery. But if we find something

36:17

and we have compelling

36:20

evidence that it is true or not true,

36:23

then it is sort of our job. We

36:25

we can't and by sort of I mean definitely actually

36:28

our job. We can't pretend

36:30

that we don't know that kind of thing. I'm

36:33

interested in this too. This was really a sticky

36:35

subject for us because, as you said, we

36:38

typically avoid religion. Now.

36:40

I know that there are listeners out there saying, wait,

36:42

you guys have done a number of videos on different

36:45

things about the Catholic Church, but typically

36:47

what we're covering when we do. That would

36:49

be something like a political activity, an

36:52

event us and yeah, an assassination

36:55

or an explanation about you know, the Vatican

36:57

secret archives, which are a real thing

36:59

but don't exactly mean what you think they mean. Yes,

37:02

you you kind of gave an overview, but you gotta

37:05

tell me what you think. I

37:07

am certain that over

37:10

the history of this organization there

37:12

have been various laws broken.

37:15

And uh, when I say this organization, I

37:18

mean specifically the Society

37:20

of Jesus at times, because

37:23

you know, it's been around for so long and there

37:25

have been so many people, and uh,

37:27

they have successfully paved the

37:29

way for a lot of things, especially education.

37:32

I mean, Jesuit schools are still amazing today,

37:34

right. Uh. But clearly

37:36

you can't have an organization of that size,

37:38

of that power for that long without

37:41

somebody doing something

37:43

wrong. It's just the nature of human beings.

37:45

Now. As for whether, uh, the

37:48

Society of Jesus is out

37:50

to embark upon a

37:52

global crusade to

37:56

take over the world and make every single person

37:58

Catholic, I think fit that's

38:02

a little bit. I don't

38:04

know. That's like it just doesn't make

38:06

sense to me because if

38:09

that were the case, then

38:11

given that they've been around for so long, we

38:14

would have seen more of that. What

38:16

we're seeing now are overall

38:19

quite a few people dedicating

38:21

their lives to traveling to some pretty

38:24

rough places in the world and

38:26

trying to educate people and raise

38:29

money to meet survival needs.

38:31

And these guys, you know, when they when

38:33

they join, they take the vow

38:35

of poverty and chastity,

38:38

um, both of which I

38:41

would personally have a hard time subscribing to.

38:43

So I respect people, you know, I

38:46

respect people when they have a code

38:48

of ethics. But I still

38:50

we walked away from this video series and I

38:53

just want to know more. So I've ordered a couple

38:55

more books actually about the Jesuits,

38:57

and I'm gonna be extensively real

39:00

in them because I

39:02

just want to know it's there's some there.

39:04

There's so many stories. And

39:06

we found a few that were true, right

39:09

uh, And we found a few that we think

39:11

are likely false. But

39:14

we're barely scratching the surface. He

39:16

had not even close, not even to

39:18

made a dent to my friend buddy, It's okay,

39:22

we will, we may, we may come back.

39:24

Let's do a little more research. What do you say?

39:26

All right, I'm on board if you are my friends.

39:29

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39:31

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39:33

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