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making a little rice. Oh are

2:16

we making rice? Yeah we're having a rice

2:18

while we're making silken out. Rice, curry chicken.

2:21

Randall's making a beetroot

2:23

choccer which is like a kind of spice

2:26

beetroot kind of curry situation.

2:28

So if we're getting deli rice

2:30

then it must be somebody special. Who's

2:33

filming today? I don't

2:35

know. Me and you. Me and you.

2:38

Me and you here in fact. Because

2:40

Ted gets his David. Mom and

2:42

Logan. David! Oh no. I

2:54

think David Cameron was probably one of

2:56

the first footballers I really remember hearing his

2:58

name because he had such

3:00

a an image as well you know he

3:02

had a ponytail he was a brilliant he

3:05

was brilliant at what he did he was

3:07

this amazing hero of a goalkeeper so he

3:09

really represents like when I first started noticing

3:12

football as a child and when I started

3:14

really loving football. So I'm very excited. My

3:16

dad Garfield is a QPR fan. David of

3:18

course played the QPR as well and Garfield

3:21

is devastated that he's not here but my

3:23

mum's gonna have to love David Teamans for

3:25

Garfield as well. Sure sure. Well for

3:27

someone who says that they don't know anything about football

3:29

she's coming in Arsenal colours today can you? I didn't

3:32

know that they were Arsenal colours

3:34

it's just my nice like fly

3:36

look. Yeah. Who's

3:39

David Teaman bringing today as well?

3:42

His wife Frankie. It's a lovely love

3:44

story they met on Dancing on Ice

3:46

and I just think they

3:48

really found the soul mates in

3:50

their lives when they found each other in

3:52

there it feels like they've got a really

3:54

beautiful bond and union he seems like a

3:56

really lovely husband. She said he's a total

3:58

rock a great supporter of everything she

4:00

does only just go to her house. I don't know

4:02

about him. Welcome,

4:14

welcome, welcome. Welcome to our home David and Frankie.

4:16

Thank you so much for coming all the way,

4:18

we really, really appreciate it. No, thank you for

4:20

having us, it's such a beautiful space and smells

4:22

coming from this kitchen are just driving me

4:25

wild. Just driving me, I love that we're

4:27

driving Frankie crazy guys. She's only been here

4:29

like 15 minutes. And actually, Makita, I have

4:31

to compliment you on your, is it chai,

4:33

spice chai? Cardamom, green and black, cinnamon, honey,

4:35

ginger and then a milk as well to

4:37

kind of cream it out. It's just the

4:39

most comforting thing. I could just sit and

4:41

smell it all day, I've actually like a

4:43

candle made of this, it smells amazing. Yeah,

4:45

it's amazing. So shall I tell you what

4:47

we've got to eat? Oh yes, please.

4:50

We've got some denny rice, this is rantellum,

4:52

this is specifically called denny rice because it's got

4:54

tons of butter and thyme in it, it's really

4:56

fluffy. Wow. And we've got some

4:58

pickled, chilli pickled shallots, then we've got

5:00

a chicken curry, like proper

5:02

curry chicken, old school Caribbean style. And

5:05

then these are dukuna, which

5:07

are dukuna. That sounds northern. Oh,

5:09

you're telling me, that's just funny.

5:12

Dukuna. I

5:14

never thought about the chilis. That

5:16

sounds like something you say, Jim, aren't they?

5:18

Dukuna. Dukuna. Because it's an old

5:21

heritage where antigens, steamed,

5:23

fresh coconut, sweet potato

5:25

dumpling. Oh, there you go. That

5:28

doesn't sound like it. Yeah, that doesn't sound like it.

5:30

And usually we've left the norm. Oh,

5:33

and then we've got a beetroot chocca, which is like a

5:35

kind of pickled, spiced beetroot that me

5:37

and Randall have been arguing over because I want

5:40

to say so far, he wouldn't let me. But

5:42

it's really delicious and he's put a little taco

5:44

on the top, which is like a little fried

5:46

spice, sauteed the spices just to bring

5:48

the flavours right up. David, some rice.

5:50

Go on then. Thank you.

5:53

Are you responsible for all the butter in this one? I

5:57

might leave David and marry you.

5:59

I thought he'd literally make me sick.

6:15

Why would you marry a good woman, David? Oh yes.

6:18

Well done. Congratulations on the excellent wife.

6:20

I remind him of that every day.

6:24

But it must have been an extraordinary experience

6:26

because I love the idea of taking on

6:28

a new unexpected challenge, i.e. learning to bloody

6:31

skate on ice. And then

6:33

something beautiful, extra coming from that

6:35

bravery and that courage. No, it

6:37

was, you know. So that's how you met...

6:40

So we met through Dancing on Ice. That

6:42

was the first time we met. Frankie was

6:44

actually dancing or skating with Lee Sharp. Oh,

6:46

you weren't partnered. No, we weren't partnered. Oh

6:48

no, we weren't even in the same series.

6:50

No, I did the very first series of

6:52

Dancing on Ice. Oh my God. Quite expert.

6:56

Actually, Frankie was thinking of the line. Extra-brain.

6:59

But no celebrity had done this before, so you weren't the first

7:01

one. No, so we were... Frankie

7:05

then, the next year, was weren't you? Yeah, I

7:07

did series two. You did it and then you did a series

7:09

with Lee Sharp. So I went on a VT and I said

7:12

hello and everything and that and then left that. Then

7:14

went on tour and Frankie was on

7:16

the tour with Chris Fountain. So we said hello

7:18

then and then... But it was another year later.

7:20

And then another year down the line. And then

7:22

we were all on tour doing it. Yeah, well

7:24

the second tour, because I was a guest judge

7:26

on one of the shows at Wembley. And

7:29

then, you know, I met Frankie

7:31

again. Right, you crossed the ice. I know, I

7:33

did. So like, first time lucky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

7:36

Did you know you liked her, straight away? I

7:39

mean, I looked good in the skating. I was going to say. I

7:41

checked the car when he came in, so it all

7:44

happened again. Frankie's too. Yeah, no,

7:46

it was... So are you... Because I

7:48

was thinking, after being, you

7:50

know, the top of your sport, you know, absolutely

7:53

at the very, very top of what you do,

7:55

to then go and do something that you're not

7:57

the best at. No, and I tell you

7:59

what, it was... is the most nervous I have ever

8:01

felt in my life. Waiting in

8:03

the tunnel of dancing on ice, waiting to

8:05

go out. The first week, so the first show

8:07

wasn't too bad, because it was the first series,

8:10

we didn't know how many people were gonna

8:12

watch it. After the first week,

8:14

we found out it peaked at 14.3 million. Oh

8:17

my God. Oh shoot. That's a lot of people.

8:19

But I didn't know the amount of people watching

8:21

a football game. Yeah, I know, that's my football,

8:23

I do that every day. The

8:25

ice skating, I know that I can fall over at

8:27

any time. And it was that bad, you know, you

8:30

go out and your mouth's so

8:32

dry, you start shaking. And

8:34

the first thing you gotta do is present and you

8:36

smile and your top lip stays up there. Because

8:39

your mouth is that dry. You're

8:41

like, oh. You're like, good job.

8:44

What's present, is that when you saw the swelling? You think

8:46

a little bit, and then you're like, yeah, but like, if

8:49

you watch the show, when

8:51

the celebs come out, they come out the tunnel

8:53

and they're like so happy to get out. But

8:55

then you have to stop in the middle. You

8:57

are still in the celebs trying to stop me.

9:00

I actually, you tuned you, because

9:04

I thought, I wonder what you thought. You look quite

9:06

slick. I don't think you look brilliant. I look like

9:08

he's actually quite good. But I could skate, I could

9:11

skate before I did the show. So I did, I

9:13

used to skate actually, which is weird, at the same

9:15

place where Frankie learnt to skate in Sheffield. Oh,

9:18

but there's nine years between us, so. When

9:21

he finished skating, she would have been 16. I

9:23

hadn't even started at that point. I'm so much

9:26

younger. I

9:28

was never taught, I just did it

9:30

on school lessons. Sometimes we'd go there. Was it

9:32

like hockey or just skating? Mainly hockey skates. Got

9:34

it right. And then I signed for Leeds as

9:37

a 16 year old. Gold keeper, never skated for

9:39

22 years. Right, right,

9:41

kind of you diverted the football, basically. Then got

9:43

back into it. So you've been skating forever, Frankie, since

9:45

you were 10. 10, 10.

9:48

And what was it about skating that you loved? I hated it. Nothing

9:51

about skating I loved. I

9:53

started skating with school. They

9:55

had a Wednesday afternoon just for the oldest

9:58

people in primary school, so they're like. the

10:00

last year as you get to do art or swimming

10:02

or skating. I mean I'm terrible at art. David taught

10:04

me to swim when I was 35 so I was

10:06

no good at swimming. Right. But I was awful and

10:09

all these little kids were like whizzing round and they

10:11

were really good and I was terrible and I was

10:13

clinging onto the side. Terrible as most people are when

10:15

they start skating. I'm a bit scared of the idea.

10:17

Yeah. Well I don't like ice coldy

10:20

things. Yeah. And to say... Well

10:22

I'm just like it looks cold and I don't like it. I

10:24

hear you. And then secondly the blades

10:27

freak me out. I feel like if I fell which

10:29

I would. But you're a chef so you deal with blades

10:31

all the time. Yeah but they're in my hands

10:33

and I'm controlling them. Yeah. They don't want somebody

10:35

else's feet come flying by. It's like a

10:37

sort of... It's not necessarily not a dream. Everybody's

10:39

scared of their fingers. Are they? That ain't

10:41

the main injury. It's wrists and then back

10:43

of their edges isn't it? Right of course. We

10:46

went literally... We went two weeks ago and

10:48

I actually fell over the first time for a

10:50

long time. I feel like a goalkeeper though.

10:53

What is that? It's bad. Me goes down... Elbow

10:56

goes down to protect. And that's the worst thing and

10:58

it went boing and I'm like ahh. And then it

11:00

mapped my head because I got that slit whiplash

11:02

in my neck and ahh. Oh

11:04

my God. It's skating. Sorry it happens to...

11:07

He is a bit of a drama queen. Wasn't there a start?

11:09

There is that. Yeah. It's

11:11

a long way down. You give me state. You're just

11:13

really tall. I know. I get

11:15

it. How tall are you? I'm six four. Well

11:18

I was. I'm on the way down. You're

11:20

me too. That's right. It's really alarming isn't

11:22

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11:25

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Really easy. Will kind of You

12:33

use your body and you you know you were

12:35

connected to the way your body. what's your me

12:37

must have been very athletic. What? What was the

12:39

first expenses that will see if. He's

12:41

good at everything by them. Around nine or not

12:43

I was in auto been set up the

12:45

headedly or anything, but I looked sports. P.

12:48

Was my favorite lesson school. even to the

12:51

extreme weather it works for a wasn't very

12:53

good are academically right? so are you. Take

12:55

a while for me to do my homework

12:57

and still zone the teachers problem to this

12:59

and acorn on for them on which I'm

13:02

not be So they made me do my

13:04

homework in the be lessons as a lesson

13:06

to make sure that I did it. I

13:08

mean I'm I would allow for us as

13:11

or. Still, Always

13:13

entertaining than a slight because I think

13:15

sometimes you have physical genius. A lot

13:17

of he'll content with a physical. Genius

13:20

is nothing sometimes authentic, Say his. Talents

13:23

are can be put to one side

13:25

or the site has been. you know

13:27

good at math, oh good at English

13:30

and not are your hobbies. Everything is

13:32

not the case, not useless as to

13:34

without an hour the same faith in

13:36

our educational I didn't have time to

13:39

send each individual top and develop that

13:41

has but one know I think he's

13:43

isn't simply able to develop their family

13:45

and in think this the I see

13:47

is it been having physical an excellent

13:50

com seconds to having as academic exit.

13:52

That's not fair. because literally putting the onus

13:54

on half the amount and citizen what about the

13:56

i'm not one size fits all enemy neither do

13:58

i look at you as a chef. And

14:01

I actually think that it's not just exercise

14:03

but sport is so important for our minds.

14:05

Today even now I play a lot of

14:07

tennis and that for me is like cathartic

14:09

and therapeutic and I also just have so

14:11

much fun with it. But when I was

14:13

a kid I was mixed race we didn't

14:15

have any money so I wasn't shown that

14:17

tennis or any racket sports could be for

14:20

me. With my peers we get given

14:22

a football but very rarely get given

14:24

a racket. I mean how many black male or

14:26

female, well more female but there's no black male

14:28

tennis player. It's not really about reps it's

14:30

about class. No class, absolutely about class. We're

14:32

not like we've got any money. Yeah accessibility.

14:35

Every sport is healing,

14:37

absolutely healing as something to

14:39

do for yourself. But also I love

14:41

football because I think it is the

14:43

most uniting, joyous, celebratory. I wish I

14:45

could write TV as exciting as

14:48

a football game. You cannot write

14:50

that fucking narrative and that drama.

14:52

It's too good. What was it

14:55

like to be in the middle

14:57

of that kind of heady time

14:59

of beautiful arsenal glory? It was

15:02

brilliant. I've got like so many memories to

15:04

look back on. I've got nine winners medals

15:07

and I've got a few runners ups as well so

15:09

we were like really on it. And

15:11

to be part of it with the other great players as

15:13

well, everybody knows you know like

15:15

birth count and honoree and righty. You

15:18

know just like really special players. I even have

15:20

heard of him. I know that he said how

15:22

well they were doing. High praise indeed. I was

15:25

not going

15:27

on about the defensive unit and all that sort

15:30

of stuff. I'll do that with you later

15:33

and I'll have fun. I totally will. To be

15:35

there and to be part of it. You are

15:37

one of those great players. Do you know what's

15:40

weird though about it is that to me it

15:42

just happened you know because it's

15:44

what we did. We got on with it

15:46

and it wasn't like one game was so

15:48

much more special than the other. But they

15:50

were continuous. You know and first

15:52

every time new season, first game you look for when we

15:54

got Man United they were our rivals at the top. Of

15:57

course. Yeah so that was that and then when we got

15:59

to the top. taught them so they were

16:01

two games that you look for but we

16:03

knew we had a special special

16:05

team and then Arson came in like

16:07

halfway through my career really Arson

16:10

by Limon I know that and

16:12

he brought in he changed everything he changed

16:14

the way that we were playing the way

16:17

we were training the way we were looking

16:19

after ourselves what did he do? and then

16:21

nutritionally he changed everything you

16:23

know like pre-match meal for me normally would have

16:25

been a salmon cheese and with beans it

16:28

was quite a few other players really Ian right?

16:30

his was a fillet steak with a fried egg

16:32

on top whoa he was a big

16:34

that chef at the table yeah but

16:36

a steak takes a long time to digest yeah

16:38

you know so that was the wrong thing but

16:40

it was a thing that made him feel good

16:43

right but then Arson came in and changed it

16:45

and it was like boiled fish boiled chiseled parsnip

16:48

boiled veg he was making so many

16:50

round yeah he was making warriors

16:52

loads of it as well so he brought in

16:54

like a few French players with him and

16:56

they were already on the diet and they were

16:59

eating mound platefuls of food and we were like

17:01

they're never going to be able to run around for

17:04

night I mean it's on that and of course they

17:06

never stopped like fuel yeah like it was like actually

17:08

something to do with it was the right stuff and

17:10

it was at least three hours before the game right

17:12

so then your body was digesting in the right place

17:14

yeah very clever very it

17:16

was at the time probably quite groundbreaking

17:18

it was massively groundbreaking yeah you know

17:20

and he was he was ahead of

17:22

everybody then people started copying their

17:25

owners to like what are they doing you know like

17:27

on England you would be having our food and like

17:29

people like Gary Neville would be like God what are

17:31

they eating? Oh it's a

17:33

team sport we should be on the stage and

17:37

then he took it back to Man United and

17:39

told them and they Bartlett! Oh no he's Bartlett!

17:42

because that's so interesting that one person can

17:44

have that kind of impact across a whole

17:46

sport yeah and especially in the Premier League

17:48

he did you know later on in his

17:50

career you know people caught him up you

17:52

know and did the same thing and then

17:54

took it a little bit further yeah and Frankie at this time

17:56

he said you said that you're nine years younger than David at

17:58

this time I mean we'll know I knew who David Seymour

18:00

was, I definitely did, did you? Well,

18:03

it's difficult because I left England, I left the UK

18:05

when I was 18, and

18:07

that's where my professional career started. So David would have

18:09

been 27 at that time. So

18:12

I guess he would have been becoming famous, but I've

18:14

never been a huge football fan. I support Sheffield United,

18:17

so that probably explains a lot about that. We'll

18:20

leave that there. Um, so,

18:22

um, I did grow up, you know, watching football. I'm

18:24

not laughing too much, because I know I get into

18:26

trouble. Of course not. Keep it here, David. Keep

18:29

it here. The face, big volume. However,

18:34

so I did grow up watching, my

18:37

friend lived across the street from the ground, so we would sneak

18:39

out of her sort of a stick window, and we could see

18:41

a little bit of the game. So I had watched Sheffield United

18:43

growing up. Yeah, it was great. Again, we

18:45

didn't have any money either, so we couldn't afford tickets, but

18:47

we could afford to sit atop this terrace house and see

18:49

what was going on. Never saw you play as far as

18:51

I know. I feel like you couldn't miss Seaman, because you

18:53

had a ponytail for one. Exactly, had a touch. I

18:56

was bored with a touch. It

18:59

was such a look, David. Did you know that

19:01

you were kind of giving yourself a look, or did

19:03

you think about image? No. So my dad

19:05

had long hair. Yeah, you got good at it. My dad

19:07

had long hair and a beard in it and a touch,

19:10

and it was a bit of a rocker. It was a steelworker.

19:13

My mum was a barmaid. Yeah, and she owned her own

19:15

shop. And then, yeah, so like, until we were 14, we

19:19

lived in a terrace house with like no bathroom. We

19:21

didn't have any, you know, our bath was a tin

19:23

bath and all that sort of stuff. Yes. We did

19:25

have a lot of money, and then at 14, my

19:28

mum and dad bought a grocery shop that

19:30

sold like fresh sandwiches and sweets. Me and

19:32

my brother thought we'd gone to Disneyland. They

19:34

were like, we were like, really, we're going

19:36

to the really wanted shop. We're fighting, the

19:38

sweets were there, and we were like, what?

19:40

And it's our parents' shop. These

19:42

are ours. Got it. Got it.

19:44

Proper sweets shop with the sweets

19:46

in the jars and stuff. Everything,

19:48

but like maybe... Cream cakes. Cream

19:50

cakes. Cream cake. Oh, yeah, cream.

19:53

On school, like proper, to grow

19:55

some. And bacon sandwiches. Oh, vanilla

19:57

slices. It

20:00

was like that when I was 14 as well. It

20:02

was a great day of our life. But

20:05

you must have had like some

20:07

kind of real focus with the football because

20:09

you don't forget where you got to, you

20:12

must have had a real... Well, what happened

20:14

was... Absorption. So I've

20:16

always been a Leeds United fan. Right. And

20:18

I went to Leeds as a 16-year-old. Right.

20:21

Goalkeeper. I had a choice of going to Yorkshire

20:23

Cricket or Leeds Football Club because I was a

20:26

fast bowler as well. So I went to Leeds

20:28

as a 16-year-old, two-year apprenticeship. Signed

20:30

the two-year pro deal. And then after

20:32

one year as a pro, the Leeds turned around and told

20:34

me I wasn't good enough. Oh my God. I

20:37

was released and I was devastated. You must have

20:39

been a heartbreaker. You know, not just the fact

20:41

that, you know, we spoke about earlier and I

20:43

wasn't very good at stools. So I

20:45

had nothing. Right. And like for two weeks, I

20:47

didn't know what I was going to do. But

20:49

then I got a call from Peterborough, fourth division,

20:51

like bottom division. But I went... I didn't even

20:53

know where Peterborough was. Which would be like second

20:56

division now. Right. Yeah. You know, and I went

20:58

down there. But I went straight into the first

21:00

team. And ever since that day, I was a

21:02

number one all the way through my career. Yeah,

21:04

just up from that moment. But what I wanted

21:06

to say is the motivation of proving people wrong.

21:09

Yeah. The massive motivation. Oh, it's a big driver,

21:11

isn't it? Yeah. And I coach it off one

21:13

now, you know, going once a week and I get to

21:15

speak to some of the lads that aren't going to get off of

21:17

the contract. And I say to them,

21:19

like, look at my story. Yeah. You know, I

21:21

know you feel it's over now. Right. But it

21:23

ain't. Mm. Because you just never know what's around

21:25

the corner, do you? You know. So you just

21:28

got to keep putting one foot in front of the

21:30

other. And sometimes it's necessities now, Andy. Like, you know,

21:32

you've had those moments when you've been low or dark

21:35

or you think, well, this is it. It's over. What am I

21:37

going to do now? But actually, you don't

21:39

really sometimes have time to think about that. You

21:41

just have to keep moving forward. You

21:43

have no choice. What was the thing about having her really

21:45

young? Because I was there. Was I had a

21:47

baby to feed. I didn't. I didn't have time.

21:49

I didn't have time to, I mean, you know,

21:51

I would feel low, go through whatever I was going

21:54

through and then go right. Well, yeah. OK,

21:56

so that was nice. Where's the next paycheck

21:59

coming from? and get a mix of

22:01

money because you need to feed the baby. And

22:03

that was the thing that kept me moving

22:05

forward, I think, you know, having a baby, really

22:07

young people sort of kind of go,

22:09

oh, you know, terrible decision. But actually,

22:11

I think it kept me alive and

22:13

kept me helping myself together. It gave you a focus as

22:16

well. Yes, because I had to. It's like, if I wasn't

22:18

there for her, who was gonna be there? Do

22:20

you know what I mean? And also, I think there's times

22:22

when you realise that nobody's there for you. Yeah.

22:25

You know, you have to accept that sometimes. I know a lot of people talk about,

22:27

well, you know, I need help and

22:29

I need a support system. Not everybody has that. Not

22:32

everybody has a support system. Not everybody has help that

22:34

they can lean on. And great if you do, but

22:36

even still, if you're by yourself, that is another

22:39

motivator to keep you moving forward. It's like, there's nobody

22:41

else that's gonna help me here. I gotta help myself.

22:43

That's why you might be so important, you know,

22:45

outside of, you know, what's inside the four walls

22:47

of your house. Talk to us a bit about

22:49

the charity that you're working with. Hats on for

22:51

me. Hats on for mine. Hats on for mine.

22:54

So you found like you're making connections

22:56

and creating those kinds of units. Together

22:59

we'd go outdoors. And I'm involved

23:01

in that through fishing Republic, for

23:03

my love of fishing. And we've done this campaign and it's

23:05

the second year now. And the first year did really, really

23:07

well. You know, we raised a lot of money. I think

23:10

it was over 200 and something

23:12

thousand. Fantastic. Yeah. And

23:14

so this year we've decided to do a

23:17

hat. I designed my hat for

23:19

a fisherman. Basically

23:21

they said to David, no. No, I

23:23

designed a hat for a fisherman. Yes,

23:27

I do. Yes, I can. So basically presented

23:29

him with his dream job. Could you please

23:31

design some fishing equipment? Yeah. That

23:33

was last year. This year they came back and said,

23:36

we'd like you to design a different hat. So you get to go

23:38

at it again and a fluff. If

23:40

you know something that kind of brings

23:42

you peace and you know what it

23:44

can do for your life. Cause

23:47

I feel the same about skipping. And I

23:49

have a business that I'm building called

23:51

Ropes, which is just really encouraging

23:54

everyone to skip, to jump up and

23:56

down. Because even if you don't have any money or if

23:58

you don't think you're very sporty, skipped

24:00

in their life. You don't need space either, you

24:02

can just literally have it. Yeah, I

24:04

do a lot of skipping in my early

24:07

years as a goalkeeper. No way! Because it

24:09

builds your calves up, doesn't it? Really well,

24:11

you know, and that's for the jumping, the

24:13

little little feet movements. Yeah, I'm really happy you

24:15

said that because we've got cheesecipping ropes and we're gonna have a little

24:17

skipping rope. We're gonna have a skipper. We're

24:20

gonna have a little skipper. A

24:23

little bit of a compressive. But I

24:25

really love the way that you are using

24:27

something that you know did beautiful things for

24:30

you and just sharing that with people. Because

24:32

it's like, I need to tell you what

24:34

this could do for you. What does fishing do

24:36

for you? And that's the same with the campaign

24:38

that we're doing. It's about getting yourself outdoors. When

24:41

I go fishing, it's like an extra layer on

24:43

top. I always take my binoculars because

24:45

I love bird watching. Me too. And

24:48

not to get away from everything but

24:50

just to make myself feel a

24:52

little bit better as well. There's like a

24:54

quietness around that. I was reading about your

24:56

love for fishing and I was thinking, I

24:58

really like it. It's a real soulful, passionate

25:01

connection that you have to this

25:03

activity. Do you

25:05

fish with him Frankie? No. Don't

25:08

you just hear what he said about being quiet and

25:11

then you see me. Come on

25:13

now ladies. No. Are

25:16

you crazy? I know you do trades. You go

25:18

on your own. Yeah, I go on my own.

25:20

I go overnight. I camp out. I'm actually, so

25:22

it was my 60th in

25:24

September. So Frankie actually bought me

25:26

a van and it's a fishing van.

25:30

Oh, that's so good. It was

25:32

so good. Yeah.

25:34

And now I've got my bed chair in there.

25:37

So I sleep in the van. I've got my

25:39

fishing gear. There's not all the lakes you can

25:41

go to that you can do this but there's

25:43

one that's really local to us where I can

25:45

just pull up, drive onto the lake, drive round

25:47

it, pick my swim. There I go. And

25:50

the body's absolutely perfect. And how long it is for?

25:52

One night? I would do a week if I had

25:54

time. Honestly. Do you know how I'm not into camping

25:56

my mum is? So she's like, so what are we

25:59

talking about? When's that happening?

26:02

I will do, you know, I'm hoping

26:04

to get out next week because I

26:06

keep telling people I've done it right January, they're like

26:09

what really? I would, yeah I haven't been fishing yet.

26:13

I've been drinking loads of wine but I haven't been.

26:22

So you guys train together don't you? You

26:24

like exercise together? Couples that

26:26

skate together, stay together. I bet they do, I

26:28

think it's a beautiful thing to be able to do

26:30

something like that with your partner. It's an interesting

26:32

dynamic though because obviously I'm the expert on the rink

26:34

and so obviously, and I'm quite a forceful person

26:36

in my life, you probably like this. No, you don't

26:39

say. Fiercely forceful nature, I know. You hold it

26:41

down really well. Pumbly.

26:43

That's what I love about it, when we go

26:45

everywhere, we go to all these different dinners and

26:48

charity deals and everything and people like are talking

26:50

to me and then... Everybody

26:52

assumes because I'm a wagon and I'm a skater then probably a

26:54

bit of a drinking pile or maybe not got much to offer,

26:56

I don't know. You know how women always get

26:58

underestimated. And then she's like, oh

27:00

yeah. And he's like, wow. So

27:05

you work together when you were in the

27:07

heady days of Arsenal, well you were at

27:09

Arsenal for 13 years. You need to be

27:11

tired already by the time I met him. Right, and you retired

27:13

at 40? Yeah. And I read

27:15

that you were ready, you said, 20 years ago. The

27:17

thing about a goalie I think is that there

27:19

is such an opportunity to be villainized because there's

27:21

kind of an opportunity to let something in or

27:24

make a mistake in a way that maybe if

27:26

you're on the pitch it's not quite so obvious.

27:28

You know, I've watched the Beckon documentary recently, I'm

27:30

sure we all have, and just seeing what David

27:32

went through for those years it was and the

27:34

fact that we were all not participating but we

27:36

were all there, I remember him doing this. Yeah, we

27:38

were all laughing at it. You didn't know what he was

27:40

going through. So for the moment when you've been

27:43

villainized, the press have attacked you, the country's

27:45

attacked you, how did you deal with

27:47

that stuff? He went fishing.

27:49

Yeah, okay. You stay out of the way, you've

27:51

got to use your head a bit, even because,

27:54

and especially being a goalkeeper, you know that a

27:56

mistake can happen at any time. You know, the

27:58

Brazilian game for instance. even the nine

28:00

one, you know, that was the last minute

28:02

of extra team to then go to penalties.

28:05

In the semi-final before that, I saved three

28:07

penalties in the penalty shootout to

28:09

get us to that final. But nobody remembered

28:11

that. Then that's just forgotten. You made one mistake and

28:13

that's the only one. And then in the final, I

28:15

had a great game, I made lots of saves, but

28:17

everybody remembers the mistake, you know, and

28:20

it's the same thing with, even with England, when

28:22

we played Brazil with Ronaldinho, you know, and going

28:24

back to how we were talking about David Beckham,

28:26

I was on the pitch after I'd

28:28

let that goal in, we'd still got half an hour of

28:30

the game to go and I'm thinking, wow, come

28:32

on, let's get me out of this, because if it stays at 2-1,

28:34

am I going to get treated the same

28:36

way that Bex did for letting this

28:38

goal in? You know, these sorts of thoughts are going to be

28:40

ahead. You're real good at it. Yeah,

28:42

you know, but as a goalkeeper, I always say to

28:45

people that you've got to be mentally so strong. Yeah.

28:47

You know that you're going to make a mistake and then it's how you

28:50

deal with that mistake. Yeah. You know, can

28:52

you make a mistake in the first five minutes and then carry

28:54

on with your normal game for the rest of the game? Because

28:56

you have to then make a mistake. You've got

28:58

to, yeah. Because if you don't, you might make

29:01

another mistake and then another and another. You kind

29:03

of have to then dig deeper in a way,

29:05

don't you? You have to go right and you've

29:07

got to put all of this together. Exactly, but

29:09

then you're aware of doing that. Yeah. When I

29:11

speak to young goalkeepers and I say to them,

29:13

like, you've got to make mistakes, it's what you

29:15

do next that matters. And I say to

29:17

them, even if the ball just comes to you and you've got a throw,

29:20

purposely mean to do it and then build

29:22

slowly on it. Right. And

29:24

then you have sports because they just so mirror

29:26

life. It's like metaphor for life. It's like

29:28

an amazing metaphor for life. Exactly that. Yeah.

29:32

Exactly that. Because obviously we had that awful

29:35

experience with, well, I mean, it was a beautiful game

29:37

and everything was going beautifully. And then we go to

29:39

penalties and, sorry, we're talking about Marcus

29:41

Rashford, Saka, et cetera. That

29:43

was just absolutely abused. Yeah.

29:46

To a level where you have to remember that we're

29:48

talking about kids. They're like young boys

29:50

that are doing their best. I almost think it's-

29:52

They play a big part in it. Yeah, they do.

29:55

And it always gives them an excuse to have a go

29:57

at the players. Yeah. Because there's a lot

29:59

of envy towards football players. Yes, of course.

30:01

They don't see us training on Christmas Day

30:03

exactly getting ready for Boxing Day But

30:05

I also think it's a

30:07

British mental health thing as well I do

30:10

think that people like to villainize their heroes They

30:12

like to drag them down to as low as

30:14

they can go and then build them back up

30:16

again and then drag them down again It's that

30:18

kind of pantomime sort of story But

30:20

without realizing that there's real people involved with real feelings

30:22

and I don't care if you make a billion pounds

30:25

A minute you still have feelings and you

30:27

still you can be vulnerable to that. So,

30:29

you know money cannot Insulate you

30:32

from from vilification. So I think I

30:34

think it the press don't really help and

30:36

I don't think That you know

30:38

kids watching football and will have watched that the instant

30:40

you talk about with Rashford and the guys I

30:42

don't think the kids would have felt that Animosity

30:45

towards them. I think they would have just been very upset

30:47

and very sad as we all were Yeah, they didn't work

30:49

out the way we wanted but it's the adult world that

30:51

kind of can change that I

30:53

even I and life I say I don't watch

30:55

football. I'm not really aware of it Most of you pretended

30:58

to like football when she was trying to

31:00

ensnare my stepfather. Yes So she was threatening

31:02

to take me to court for you I

31:26

Think David's celebrity status is the least attractive thing about him And

31:37

I say that from a place where I

31:39

love everything about my husband. He's such a

31:41

powerfully happy person and I'm I'm

31:45

a steamroller Literally, I need a brick wall to

31:47

stop me sometimes because I'm go go go

31:49

I can do a million things at once I

31:51

can be a pretty glumpy with that. I

31:53

mean, I know obviously I'm menopausal so that kicks

31:55

in as well I'm

32:00

trying to say it's a great, poor move. It's

32:02

a great big party, isn't it? Well,

32:05

sometimes I just need David to kind of stop me

32:07

in my tracks. And he does, because he's such a

32:09

powerful human being. I think you find what

32:11

you need. So I definitely needed that.

32:13

But I always say, as much as I love him,

32:15

his celebrity state, he's probably the least attractive thing. And

32:18

it's something, you know, it's been 15 years now, and

32:20

it's something I've kind of become

32:22

more used to. But I've never really been comfortable.

32:24

Although I'm an ice skater, I'm an entertainer, I've

32:26

been in live TV, I've performed all over the

32:28

world. But there's a different level, because

32:30

when you're an ice skater in a live show

32:33

on an ice rink or in a theatre, there's

32:35

no accessibility to you. You know, at the

32:37

end of the day, you do your job,

32:39

you go home and you celebrate with your

32:42

friends. But with David, it's constant accessibility. And

32:44

everybody that meets him thinks they own him.

32:46

Or they own something. Because

32:48

with somebody like you, who's like

32:50

a proper centralised, even iconic

32:52

figure within what you've done,

32:55

people do feel a certain amount of ownership. And

32:57

they do feel like you have a responsibility to

33:00

connect and engage with them. I guess that's

33:02

what the feeling's about. Yeah, I know. I

33:05

go on my own and I see you. Even

33:07

when I go out on my bike, I always

33:09

go on my own. So do you find it

33:11

strange that you're famous? You have to manage it

33:13

and you have to work it, because when you

33:15

get to the levels that I got to, you

33:18

know, with Arsenal, that's going to bring fame.

33:20

You know, but when you're a kid, I

33:22

remember being an apprentice at Leeds, we spoke

33:24

about earlier, practicing my autograph. When

33:27

I was on the phone, that's my mum and dad

33:29

and that. And I would do hundreds of them, just practicing

33:31

it. And like, thinking, oh my God, I can't wait

33:33

for someone to ask me for my autograph. And

33:35

I'm like, oh, go on. Oh, my God. Yeah,

33:38

well, you put it through David, you're powerful.

33:40

But now it's a little bit better, because

33:42

it's nearly always selfies. Selfies are easier.

33:44

So it's like, yeah, it just means you have to look

33:47

pretty decent all the time. You can't go out looking like

33:49

a right struck, can you? Yeah,

33:51

but actually, people having that kind of

33:53

access to you all the time were

33:55

feeling that emotionally connected you all

33:58

the time. Do you feel like a... responsibility

34:00

that a little bit but

34:02

it's it's a pleasurable one isn't it you know and

34:04

if people are coming up to you and they're smiley

34:07

and happy then it's great I remember as a 11

34:09

year old at school and we won

34:11

a five side competition and we had two players

34:13

from Northern United come up into our playground

34:15

and presenters with our little medals I

34:18

never forgot that that time and now I

34:20

whenever I you know if I'm out and

34:22

somebody asked me I will always do it

34:25

because you never know that they might

34:27

have all my pictures on their wall yeah and then you

34:29

turn around say no and that

34:31

just destroys you know you've got to remember that 11

34:33

year old that you were like wow yeah and also

34:35

I think that it's quite important in

34:37

terms of like young people humanizing

34:40

their heroes you know to

34:42

realize that that's an actual person because you know before

34:44

you meet somebody that's famous that you kind

34:46

of worship or you really look up to they

34:49

seem otherworldly don't they and then the first time

34:51

you meet somebody yeah you've got masses of

34:53

admiration for and they're really human you kind

34:55

of understand that you can do amazing things

34:57

too because you see another human I think

35:00

you've hit the nail on the head there

35:02

and because I do think that once somebody

35:05

becomes a human being to you instead of just

35:07

an icon or an idol or a poster on

35:09

your wall then everything else becomes

35:11

or seems to become achievable I could

35:14

be like that person too. What if it takes

35:16

to be an excellent

35:18

incredibly successful footballer I mean

35:20

a goalkeeper specifically actually what

35:23

are the things a lot of dedication yeah a

35:25

lot of sacrifice you know especially as a youngster

35:29

because nowadays the guys are getting taken at the

35:31

ages of 10 even 9 and

35:34

10 year old and then they're coached

35:36

all the way through but then they

35:39

have to like give up a lot of their

35:41

like private life the hours of training that people

35:43

don't see. I think it's really important for people

35:45

to understand that I mean I think if you're

35:47

a massive football fan you know but it really

35:49

is hard fucking work like it's a dedication

35:51

of life. Dedication of like say of life

35:54

because the amount of time that you're away

35:56

from your from your family you're stuck in

35:58

a hotel preparing for them. games you know

36:00

you go to all these different countries and you

36:02

never see them all you see is an airplane

36:04

a hotel a stadium and then back on the

36:06

airplane so how close were you with your teammates

36:09

I mean were they were you all

36:11

friends no your

36:13

teammates and then you have a few

36:15

friends within you know like real friends within the group

36:18

you know like my best friend is Lee Dixon everybody

36:20

thinks that you all go out together and

36:23

everything you don't question you're with each other

36:25

all the time yeah what's it like for

36:27

you Frankie with ice skating do you how

36:29

many people are you traveling with and what does

36:31

that look like? so I would sign up more

36:33

typically for like a two, four, six month contract

36:35

a year contract right and you stay with that

36:38

team for the entire time but then you'd move

36:40

on to a different show they would move on we

36:42

were together more and we were together more intensive

36:44

because we'd be in a foreign country and we'd

36:46

be living together whereas David would kind of dip

36:49

in and out of his living situation he'd be

36:51

at home on then he'd be with his teammates

36:53

I would be with my teammates all the time

36:55

but equally as you know I think it's

36:57

Australia that will offer you a degree

37:00

or a PhD based on how well you do

37:02

in your given sport was I

37:05

think in the UK we don't recognize that

37:07

so you know I would consider that my

37:09

knowledge of ice skating would be PhD level

37:12

comparative to somebody else that has a

37:14

knowledge in I don't know astrophysics or

37:16

whatever obviously yeah

37:20

it's basically exactly the same

37:22

thing but what I mean

37:25

is that the breadth of knowledge that I would have

37:27

in a sport the breadth of knowledge that David has

37:29

in his sport yeah if it was recognized I guess

37:31

as a certificate people would legitimize it more I suppose

37:33

whereas now it's just like oh you just a football

37:35

or you just an ice skater and you forget that

37:37

these kids have been training since they were 10 years

37:39

old like I literally started work at 10 yeah so

37:41

of course I was doing education alongside that but I

37:43

started my career at 10 years old you started your

37:45

career when you were whatever 8 or whatever the first

37:47

time you kicked a ball was the start of your

37:49

training so it's not like we kind of went through

37:51

the traditional educational route and at 18 we went to

37:53

uni and then we got a degree in of course

37:55

we start training much younger but of course then we

37:57

retire much younger and we retired for a long time

38:00

you were ready to retire when you were working? I was 40

38:02

and... Lockered!

38:04

Apparently I was well past it but at 39

38:06

I made a great saviour and chef United. Oh!

38:12

Through the heart! David!

38:15

We were chatting about it really

38:17

early. Oh we'll be chatting about it when we

38:19

get home. Sorry

38:22

about that. This is for the car. But

38:25

David I was thinking 40 is that

38:27

quite old to stay in the game? Yeah!

38:29

And especially staying at the top, I was playing

38:31

from Man City at the time. I'd left after

38:33

13 years and 13 fantastic years. And

38:37

we were playing away at Wolves and the ball was down the other end

38:39

and I got my arms behind my back as I used to and I

38:42

was like what am I doing here? And

38:44

that's the only time I'd ever had a feeling like that

38:46

at all. Wow! And

38:48

I knew people have said before that there'll

38:51

be a sign. Something will happen

38:53

to you and you'll realise that it's time to call it a

38:55

day. Do you think it's because of the team that you

38:57

were... Were you just not journeying with Man City or just...

38:59

No I just... You were just... I had

39:01

enough. Yeah. Being away

39:03

from home as well up in Manchester and all that sort of stuff.

39:06

And then I decided... So the next day I went

39:08

in and saw Kim Keegan I said look... Oh no

39:11

you didn't! Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

39:13

And I said... He was

39:15

my manager and I said look just to let you know I'm going

39:18

to retire in the summer. But then 10 days

39:20

later I got a hit on my shoulder with a knee and

39:23

the x-ray showed that I got a lot wear

39:25

and tear and if I carried on there was a

39:27

chance of it starting to dislocate and I was like...

39:29

I'll put enough. I'm ready. I

39:31

can't wait for retirement. This man actually loves retirement. I

39:33

have to say. I bet. He

39:35

retired 20 years. But retirement is just like

39:37

marriage, the frat, he's fishing, cooking... Yeah. Beautiful.

39:41

People they'd be arguing me football and I go no!

39:45

You played really hard, really long at the

39:47

very top. Yeah. You experienced

39:49

it in the most brilliant way you could possibly handle those

39:51

highs and lows. I went through all of it. I had

39:54

a lot of it and you know came out of it

39:57

as a very happy guy. Well

39:59

I've been so... I do just want to ask

40:01

one more question. How did you ask Frankie

40:03

out? Wow. You always ask

40:05

if you like, she has so many things. That's

40:07

amazing. Or did Frankie ask

40:09

you out? No, it was on the, when I

40:12

was the guest judge, weren't it? You know, I

40:14

was like, do you fancy swapping numbers? Aww.

40:18

That's poetry. That's poetry.

40:21

That's poetry in Yorkshire. That's

40:23

poetry in Yorkshire. That's your

40:25

lovely love language. It's

40:27

a bit more romantic than get your

40:30

coat, but your poem is basically junkie.

40:34

I did propose to her in a very nice way,

40:36

didn't I? You did. So it's very vicious. And

40:39

then propose to her as well. Oh, I mean, that'll

40:41

do it. On the beach.

40:43

I'm the best. I've been, yes, for

40:45

pretty good. Not even

40:47

a breath. Yeah, no pause. Well,

40:51

thank you so much. But can I just

40:53

say, the food. Oh yeah, by the way,

40:55

I've had seconds. I have food. We're

40:58

going to give you some to take home. Everything was so good.

41:00

This was? That's the, those are

41:02

pickle shallots, chilli pickle shallots. Yeah,

41:04

that's easy. We have a little shallot joke,

41:07

don't we? Yeah. That's a lot. That's

41:09

a lot. That's what you should be able to show

41:11

with. Anyway, you two, that's your lot. I

41:14

love that. I've never had that. There's

41:17

your outro. No,

41:20

my outro has to be David, Stephen's honesty. Thank

41:22

you for being such a hero and being so

41:24

excellent in all the work you've ever done and

41:26

bringing such glory to our country and just

41:28

doing the most spectacular job in football.

41:30

I really am a huge fan of

41:32

yours. And Frankie, thank you for being

41:34

such a fantastic human being. I'm so

41:37

happy to have met you. Really very edger

41:39

than you. An excellent human. Do

41:42

you want to just tell our listeners something

41:44

about Hats on for Mind, how they can

41:46

find out about the work? Yeah, just go

41:48

on to the Hats on for Mind campaign

41:50

website and all the details will be there.

41:52

It's a fantastic campaign. And when you meet

41:55

these people that I've got mental health problems

41:57

and you speak to them and then they... get

42:00

involved with it and then they tell

42:02

you the stories of when the other starts to go

42:04

up and that they have a lot of things. It

42:06

makes it all worthwhile. And some float is

42:09

not going to make them have. Mum.

42:23

Yeah, safe hands. Safe hands. No one

42:25

who you talk to about. Safe hands.

42:27

What a brilliant pair of human beings.

42:29

Well they both really found a beautiful

42:31

thing when they found each other. She's

42:33

got this beautiful energy but she really understands

42:35

the man she married. She's got

42:38

a really tender hearted individual. Do you know what

42:40

I mean? I'm so pleased that you've met a

42:42

footballer that you just love. Who would have thought

42:44

it? And then it's

42:46

interesting to think about not just

42:48

about him being a famous, iconic,

42:50

per-cultural figure but just such an

42:52

excellent sportsman. Safe hands. Safe hands.

42:56

When I say that now I need you to

42:58

know that I'm talking about kindness and love and

43:00

David Timon. Whenever I mention safe hands

43:02

I mean let's show kindness. Safe hands Mum.

43:05

But you know what was interesting as well actually when

43:07

he was talking about, when he

43:09

was describing what you do when you've made

43:11

a mistake and the way that

43:14

that was analogous to life in general. That

43:18

you don't necessarily then have to take terrible

43:20

chances so that you're going to actually make

43:23

another mistake. And the other thing to do

43:25

is sit back for a minute and go

43:27

back to your training. Go back to training

43:29

and then build yourself back up and have

43:31

a life lesson from David Timon. Thank you

43:34

so much. It was a beautiful energy to

43:36

have through our doors and at our table.

43:38

This is why this podcast is so

43:40

special to us because I don't think we'd

43:43

ever would have met David Timon or sat

43:45

down with David Timon and his beautiful

43:47

wife Frankie. And I just felt

43:49

very like, look at him. He

43:54

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