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All right. Coming up on today's show. This

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came to me over the weekend with

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the school year winding down across

0:55

America and we are

0:57

seeing more and more states adopt

0:59

school choice. And

1:02

I've always been of the mindset.

1:04

I'm a massive advocate for homeschooling.

1:07

We homeschooled our two daughters all the way

1:09

through. We homeschooled our son

1:11

through the sixth grade and

1:13

then he's been at Des Moines Christian ever

1:15

since because of his interest in some

1:18

other activities, football and some other things.

1:20

We just had a hard time here

1:22

locally satisfying those things

1:26

with the homeschool environment here. But our

1:28

kids have never once except to

1:30

go to like a ballet recital

1:32

or a friend's event have never set foot

1:34

in a government school. But,

1:39

you know, given the realities

1:41

of the costs, I mean, the

1:43

first few years of Des Moines Christian, we

1:46

were still living paycheck to paycheck, man. I

1:49

mean, the show had not taken off yet. We had not

1:51

written any best selling books yet. I

1:53

mean, scrouching together that extra $1,200 a

1:55

month for that for

1:58

that tuition was not an easy task. It's

2:00

just we thought Noah was worth it. So we found

2:02

somehow the Lord helped us make it work But

2:06

but now we're in a situation that this

2:08

is becoming much more affordable for example in the

2:10

state of Iowa Starting next year if

2:13

you make less than I think it's a hundred and

2:15

twenty five thousand dollars in your household the

2:17

7800 of the 12,000 that the state

2:20

takes for educating your kid goes

2:22

back to you and you take it we did

2:24

any building you want Alright

2:26

well so now the the what a twelve thousand

2:28

dollar a year cost to go to Des Moines

2:30

Christian for like a high school student now You're

2:33

taking sick. That's a 60% off there abouts you're taking

2:35

off of that in the year after that There's no

2:37

means test at all correct. There's no means test at

2:40

all of course that hits the year after my son

2:42

graduates from high school That's

2:45

okay trust me I feel you though it is

2:47

what it is you'll be able to still take

2:50

advantage of it, okay, so Do

2:52

we now Since

2:55

this is more of an opportunity than

2:57

it was previously have always been of

3:00

the mind I understand it's expensive different

3:02

families do different things homeschooling is not

3:04

easy, okay? it

3:09

It has it has tremendous benefits, and we've seen that

3:12

in our in our kids for sure But

3:15

it is not it's not easy to

3:17

do and I can see Why

3:20

some families like I just don't think that's gonna work

3:22

for us I get that Even

3:24

though I think it is the ideal, but you can't always hit

3:26

the ideal East of Eden So you know

3:28

we've always taken the position on this show that we?

3:32

At least I have since my name's on it Taking

3:34

the position that I have things that I

3:36

think are the ideal if they can be

3:38

achieved But you know given the

3:40

difficulties of this era economically the amount

3:42

of two parent Incomes required and the

3:45

divorce culture and everything else we have

3:47

the amount of single moms right now

3:49

That's it's just not a feasible thing

3:51

for everybody But

3:55

but now we're in an environment where

3:57

they're gonna make it very feasible

4:00

to exempt your kid from

4:02

government schools in many states across the

4:04

country. So with that being

4:06

said, does the church then have a role

4:09

and maybe even should

4:12

actively encourage, like preach on

4:14

this actively, like it

4:16

would any other issue of moral consequence?

4:18

Well, like it used

4:20

to. On every other issue of moral consequence, it doesn't

4:22

do things like that anymore. But the

4:24

ones that still do, is

4:27

it time now to advocate, hey, it's

4:29

time for the exodus, time to get out. What

4:33

would that look like? What are

4:35

some things that Christian schools, because this works

4:37

both ways, the dual relationship, right? So

4:39

are Christian schools, are

4:42

they even prepared across

4:44

the country for a mass influx of new students

4:46

and what would that look like? We're

4:48

going to discuss that a good deal of time on

4:50

the show today. At the bottom of the hour, we're

4:52

going to discuss it with our good buddy Bob Vander

4:54

Plaats, because he's uniquely qualified to talk about this because

4:56

he's a former, before he got into politics, he was

4:58

a high school administrator, he was a high school principal.

5:02

Not to mention, he also had his son

5:04

Lucas passed away a few years ago, but

5:06

his oldest son, him and Harla's oldest son, was

5:09

a special needs child. They've

5:11

seen every angle of this. And

5:14

then we're going to discuss this amongst ourselves coming

5:16

up in the second hour of

5:18

the show. And if the

5:21

moment now is that, yeah, we've got to

5:23

raise the bar morally now. That

5:26

the time and the excuse for, let me

5:28

just drop my kids off at the government

5:30

daycare to get indoctrinated, and any day now,

5:34

as Todd likes to say, that's the red bandana scene, and Dear

5:36

Hunter, every day you drop your kid off at one of these

5:38

government schools, just increasing the odds. Today

5:40

is the day they come home and tell you, call me

5:42

Shirley. Call me Shirley. That's actually my name now. Call

5:44

me Shirley, right? That's basically where

5:47

we're at. So we're going

5:49

to spend a good deal of time talking

5:51

about this because it's only something the entire

5:53

next generation may hinge upon, should we be

5:55

fortunate in this country to even have a

5:57

next generation. So we're going to get into this. More

6:00

as the show moves on. But before we

6:02

get to all of that, let us first

6:04

discuss what has been percolating within the mind

6:06

of One Air and Mcintyre with his run

6:08

down of what happened while we were away.

6:10

What happened while we were away brought to

6:12

you by Congress will save us. Are

6:17

so you don't. Let

6:21

it calms down on now because.

6:27

You're not recognizing the slaughter. You with

6:29

your yeah I. Saw

6:36

as a bonus. I

6:39

am interested or her attire younger.

6:41

order to now recognizes Not here.

6:44

Screen for for four minutes and

6:46

twenty one Thirty four minutes. It's

6:48

let miscarried top and then you

6:51

all can already. But. I. Am

6:53

I right? Her words per second time

6:55

based on her second set of personal

6:57

remarks attacking another member. Chairman

7:01

Com have you all cannot imagine a

7:03

slide as I knew that the committee

7:05

not we have to do this every

7:08

time I'm recognized American Airlines. I'm going

7:10

to go ahead. Okello. Those are

7:12

the voices of Congress men and women.

7:14

Jasmine Crockett, Marjorie Taylor Green, Alexandria, Ocasio

7:16

Cortez and James Coburn late last week.

7:19

Not worry though. Years Congresswoman Nancy Ms.

7:21

meeting with House Speaker Mike Johnson informers

7:23

office thing on it's quotes. Thank you

7:25

Speaker Johnson, he got more integrity didn't

7:28

any speaker in recent history. the Dc

7:30

swamp could use more of it's sticky

7:32

and on the occupant of the White

7:34

House. hey what's your name? Are you

7:36

Black Morning Joe Biden. And

7:40

I'm a lifetime member the Naacp. Okay, go

7:42

to New. Tell us more about when you

7:45

are vice president. and while I was vice

7:47

president. got a bad

7:49

or and pandemic in other news texas gov

7:51

greg abbott has pardoned a former us army

7:53

sergeant named daniel perry after jury found him

7:56

guilty of murder last year period was driving

7:58

a truck through a crowd mostly peaceful protesters

8:00

during George Floyd's Summer of Love back in

8:02

2020, when another man

8:04

allegedly pointed a firearm at him. Perry then

8:06

shot and killed the man. Perry

8:09

is now free. And now

8:11

the Pope. Pope Francis had a lengthy interview

8:13

on CBS News' 60 Minutes Over the Weekend

8:15

in which she talked about those dastardly conservative

8:17

bishops. There are conservative

8:19

bishops in the United States

8:22

that oppose your new efforts

8:24

to revisit teachings and traditions.

8:27

How do you address their criticism? You

8:32

used an adjective,

8:34

conservative. That is, conservative

8:36

is one who cleans to something

8:40

and does not want to see beyond that. It

8:43

is a suicidal attitude because

8:46

one thing is to take tradition

8:48

into account, to consider situations from

8:50

the past, but quite another is

8:53

to be closed up inside a

8:55

dogmatic box. Francis also

8:57

talked about human nature. What gives you

8:59

hope? Everything.

9:04

You see tragedies,

9:07

but you also see so many beautiful

9:09

things. You

9:13

see heroic mothers, heroic

9:15

men, men who have

9:17

hopes and dreams, women who

9:19

look to the future. That

9:22

gives me a lot of hope. People

9:26

want to live, people forge ahead,

9:29

and people are fundamentally good.

9:35

We are all fundamentally good. Yes,

9:38

there are some rogues and sinners,

9:40

but the heart itself is good.

9:42

Learning Chinese today, today's phrase is,

9:45

Jesus wept. Former

9:47

CDC director Robert Redfield says out of

9:49

nowhere, we now need to be honest

9:51

about the COVID jabs. As you know,

9:53

those of us that tried to suggest

9:56

there may be significant side effects

9:58

from vaccines, we Kind of like

10:00

with the rest of your show the had early on. We

10:02

kind of got cancelled. Because. No

10:05

one wanted to talk about the potential that

10:07

there was a problem from the vaccines because

10:09

they were afraid that would cause people not

10:11

to want to get vaccinated. The reality is

10:13

I was part of were see these are

10:16

important vaccines. We say the lotta lives are

10:18

important for the most vulnerable people those over

10:20

sixty five, sixty sixty five years of age,

10:22

where they really aren't that critical for those

10:24

that are under fifty or younger and but

10:27

those I seen saves a lot of lives.

10:29

but they are also. We have to be

10:31

honest are some people. Ah, Got

10:33

significant side effects from the vaccine. I am

10:35

a number of people that are quite ill.

10:38

Ah, and they never had covered for

10:40

they are ill from the vaccine and

10:42

we just have two thousand. And finally

10:44

an oldie. But a goodie. When the

10:46

Pbs program named Signing Your Roots revealed

10:48

to a marxist academics and Angela Davis

10:50

who her ancestors actually works, Davis of

10:53

course subscribes to the notion that the

10:55

U S was founded by colonizers and

10:57

white supremacists. Any idea what you're looking

10:59

at, That is a

11:01

list of passengers on the Mayflower. Know

11:04

Kimberly's is that system Up Up Up

11:06

Up Up. Says

11:08

that not Go fear of I'm

11:10

a plan on Your ancestors on

11:12

the May wanna know are descending

11:15

phone number One of the one

11:17

hundred and one people who sailed

11:19

on the Mayflower. Who's.

11:24

That's a little too much since he

11:26

sent her to deal with the right

11:28

now you ever in your wildest dreams.

11:31

Think. That you may have descended from

11:33

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11:35

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11:37

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right let's get to what's within

13:21

Aaron's montage and

13:28

I'll just say this quickly. Anybody

13:32

here remember Robert Redfield coming

13:35

forth with any warning signs on the vaccines? Anybody

13:39

remember this? No. Anybody remember? What

13:41

do you mean we lone ranger?

13:45

Anybody? I mean those

13:47

early days we

13:50

knew the thin list of allies did we not, Aragorn? And

13:55

anytime we could find any form

13:58

of a mainstream quote-unquote expert We

14:01

made sure to cite them and elevate them every single

14:03

time all the way through this entire thing. I

14:06

mean, we had an entire chapter in Fauci

14:08

and Bargain titled Trust the Experts, but which

14:10

ones in which we pitted these experts from

14:12

mainstream sources and entities and institutions against one

14:14

another, right? Gave them all a microphone when

14:17

we could, yeah. Anybody

14:19

remember Robert Redfield being among those dissidents? Let

14:22

me think. Peter McCullough, Harvey

14:24

Risch, Robert Redfield. I mean, that trio, we discuss them a

14:26

lot, right? Yes. No,

14:29

he didn't. Not one time. And

14:32

dude is now making it look like he sold Sneetson. Get

14:35

the bleep out of here, you. Get

14:37

the bleep out. Hell

14:39

no. Nope. Nope. Acting

14:42

like you're a victim, bro. You were the

14:44

head of the CDC. This is what pisses

14:47

me off so much about this guy. Almost

14:49

as much as Fauci. You know, you

14:51

remember when he held up the mask in front of

14:54

Congress and... Yeah. He said it would work better than

14:56

the vaccine. Better than the vaccine. Yes. You knew that

14:58

he knew, and he knew that we knew that he

15:00

was not being truthful. He

15:04

didn't really actually think that, but

15:07

he was just playing the game. He was

15:09

just doing his job, and now all of

15:11

a sudden, four years later, we have regrets

15:13

suddenly. Oh, get... The

15:17

dude is just a joke. Just a

15:19

total rudderless eunuch. Oh, you

15:21

want to be really mad? Sure. Do

15:24

Americans agree with him? Yep. Fog

15:26

of war, mistakes are made, let's all move

15:28

on. Oh, that's very clear. And

15:31

that's why people like Redfield... There's a

15:33

group of these people, and Redfield would

15:35

be in the quietest kept category. And

15:38

then there were people who were accomplices.

15:40

That's most of your politicians, and

15:43

almost all of your media with very

15:45

limited exception. And

15:47

then there were the actual offenders, the

15:50

Burks, the Fauci's. Whose

15:52

hands are on the weapon, whose fingerprints are on the weapon.

15:56

What's happening in Fauci has been one

15:58

holdout here. Credit.

16:01

He. May be the only one actually still

16:03

maintaining his own integrity of with at

16:05

least of in terms of a consistency

16:07

here but what you're seeing as these

16:09

entity these people know. That.

16:12

The West has completely lost it's grip on right

16:14

and wrong. If and and

16:16

any form of of retribution righteous

16:19

indignation is not forthcoming, they know

16:21

this. And

16:23

so what they're gonna do now is

16:25

gaslight. You buy expunging. It's whatever is

16:28

left of their conscience at your expense.

16:31

And to the level that they want. like he still maintaining

16:33

we saved a bunch of people know you didn't. Know

16:36

you did. You

16:39

like three hundred percent more? likely. To

16:43

be be require medical attention for

16:45

the jabbed and be hospitalized for

16:47

cove it you are like sixteen

16:50

hundred percent more likely. To

16:52

be hot, to to to suffer an adverse event

16:54

from the jab and die from Colbert know you

16:57

didn't. That

16:59

bit the actual epidemiological.

17:02

Curve here is way in the red.

17:04

It's it's It's not even close. It's

17:06

a net negative. It's it's us eyes

17:08

deficits of negative efficacy of that. But.

17:12

Begins But what can happen is that they can. They

17:14

can seep out just enough you know the guy tells

17:16

ya or stop doing it but doesn't really mean it

17:18

is a sorry I caught. And.

17:25

They're just doing this for themselves. They're

17:27

a law unto themselves. Because

17:30

they know there's. No.

17:34

Justice the side of. The. side

17:37

of of heaven is coming. Thankfully

17:39

though, There

17:42

is justice. On the other side of

17:44

Eternity. And it is. Moments

17:46

like this: Don't. Ask why a

17:48

loving God permits a hell? Instead

17:51

rejoice. That

17:53

as desolate. An awful

17:55

as that places. it does symbolize the

17:58

God's justice. gets the fine. word.

18:05

Just for a few scoundrels though Steve, just a few.

18:08

Yeah, Osama bin Laden, Hitler and

18:10

child molesters, exactly. I

18:13

mentioned a few minutes ago the West

18:16

has lost its grip on

18:18

right and wrong. And

18:22

the ability to understand

18:25

retribution, restitution

18:27

of justice, righteous

18:31

indignation. Let's

18:33

talk about how this happened and

18:36

why. Because

18:40

that's an Aaron's montage as well. What

18:46

you see in that clip from Pope Pelagius,

18:48

I'm sorry, what's

18:51

his name? Francis. Yeah,

18:53

I got it confused. What

18:55

you see in that clip there from Pope Pelagius

18:59

is exactly what happened to the West. Now

19:02

we mentioned this last week, set aside the guy

19:07

is overseeing a church that

19:09

for going on a second millennia has attempted to

19:11

make the case that tradition

19:13

is as authoritative as scripture and

19:16

he's insulting conservatives. Folks,

19:20

do you know what a literal synonym for

19:22

tradition is? Conservative.

19:27

What's a literal synonym

19:30

for conservative, traditional? These

19:32

words are synonyms. They

19:36

basically mean the exact same thing. So

19:43

set aside what that means

19:45

that you're running a church that

19:48

for going on a second millennia has tried to make

19:50

the argument that what

19:52

we have gleaned is good, true and

19:55

beautiful throughout history is as

19:57

authoritative as revelation from God Almighty.

20:00

But, and yet you're insulting those

20:02

who agree with your own doctrine.

20:04

But just for a second, I

20:07

agree with everything, but revelation from God Almighty we

20:09

believe doesn't just come in printed form. That's

20:13

important. I don't think you were trying to,

20:16

Mr. Rick, but... No, it's a distinction with

20:18

a difference. So I appreciate that. So

20:21

let's just set that aside. That's

20:23

insane. Yes. Okay.

20:26

But, I mean, we had a clip last week of

20:28

Joel Osteen saying, I am redeeming... No, I'm redeemed. Well,

20:30

never at... You don't have to do that today. Don't.

20:33

No. Don't. Okay. Don't.

20:38

All right. Don't. Then

20:40

we'll stay on this tactic. We'll stay on this

20:42

road then. I mentioned the name, Pelagius. We've

20:45

done this show years ago. May

20:47

need to do it again. Maybe right around

20:49

the time we get to like Romans 9 and Romans 10. So

20:52

20, 29, 20, 30 when we eventually get there. All

20:57

right. There are three views of human

20:59

nature that are symbolized in different individuals in

21:01

the church and other individuals have held these various

21:03

views, but these three views are

21:06

the dominant ones about human nature. I'm really glad you're

21:09

going to do this because it'll be really easy in

21:11

this modern world to just get locked into the moment.

21:13

Steve is about to give you, there's nothing new

21:16

under the sun. Correct. With the Pope is

21:18

saying these arguments have all been had before. Okay.

21:22

So Pelagius was a heretic in the church

21:27

and what Pelagius taught is

21:29

that human nature on its own

21:32

is basically good. Now

21:36

why is that a heresy? Think for years when you guys

21:38

have sent me emails and stuff and asked me if I

21:40

could ask one question at a presidential debate, what would it

21:42

be? What would have, what have I always said the question

21:44

I would ask is? This

21:47

question. Specifically or a variation. Yes. Human

21:50

nature basically good. Why?

21:53

Because This is

21:56

the mustard seed of every left wing

21:58

spirit of the age. Aggressive

22:00

sought in our era. The.

22:03

Entire mustard see.

22:06

The mouth of the rear of of

22:08

the demonic river that the entire spear

22:11

to the age manifested in our age

22:13

germinate from. Emanates

22:16

from. Is that

22:18

human nature is basically good. For

22:20

of human nature is basically good. It means

22:22

we either a don't need a savior or.

22:28

It. Is not by grace that we are say we

22:30

can earn our way. We.

22:32

Do enough good deeds. We.

22:34

Make the we create enough of a utopia.

22:38

We've. Generated enough diversity, equity

22:40

and inclusion. And

22:43

she's a says to those people Lord we did this in

22:45

your name and we did this your name depart for me

22:47

I don't know You get out. Into the

22:49

den of iniquity with your. That's.

22:51

A nice way of saying enjoy Hell, that's what

22:53

that means that would his dinner, but it could

22:55

still enjoy. hell. That's what makes literally

22:57

swimming and joy hell. Now

23:02

what is fascinating to me about this. Is

23:05

Not just. Poeple:

23:07

Agius speaking open

23:09

heresy. On sixty

23:12

minutes but but doing so

23:14

in the same interview. Where

23:16

he refuses to a for homosexuality

23:19

or. Why?

23:25

Because. He has literally taken. It's

23:29

beyond heretical. It's

23:31

it's. the dumbest. Most

23:33

moronic. Possible. Theological

23:36

position any human being could take on

23:38

anything. On one

23:40

any a saying. You are

23:42

basically good. And I mean we

23:44

can wind up. The scriptures even said you have

23:47

a good heart to heart is wicked a deceitful

23:49

above all things that are them out speaks no

23:51

one is good but God Why do you call

23:53

me good No one is good but God None

23:55

would choose him. Okay I'm A I'm a Me

23:57

Bliss the of it's the amount of bible verses

23:59

that we it would look like Thomas Jefferson's bible

24:01

when he could. the earth, the miracles. that's what

24:03

it would look like into that. That's the amount

24:05

of vs we'd have to remove from the scriptures

24:07

in order. To avoid contradicting

24:09

with pope or wages as a

24:11

necklace. And.

24:14

This is this is the most important thing that

24:16

will be discussed and debated in the culture today

24:18

at this clip. Said just will

24:20

be rarely discussed and debated in the culture

24:22

today because many people on the right also

24:24

agree with this. Populism.

24:28

Also says human nature's basically good

24:30

set of a different class of

24:32

people who work harder. Than

24:34

arts as out of touch. If

24:37

they get control things would be better.

24:39

They try this in a place called

24:41

Stress right? And what happened right after

24:43

that right after that bowl populi. The

24:45

next thing was what gentleman might after

24:47

that. The. Reign of. Terror.

24:50

Have. Robust.

24:52

Mere put just as many people

24:54

in prison as the aristocracy did.

24:56

Just a different group of people.

25:00

To different people. It.

25:03

Was literally animal farm it look for me and

25:06

a pretty good pizza man about sophisticated. I couldn't

25:08

tell which was which. Because.

25:10

All have sinned and bolland sort of. The glory

25:12

of God is safe. Only rich elite from the

25:14

World Economic Forum in sin and volunteer to go.

25:16

Orgasm of Bible says. As

25:19

they only poor people who are white trash and low

25:22

class and get all have seen that bolland sort of.

25:24

The glory of God is that with us. Know

25:26

what is it? Off. And

25:29

require a gentleman for all is what all all

25:31

and says this is actually also straight out of

25:33

the old testament speak Hebrew word for all is

25:35

what do they would you to get us us

25:38

all It's also well. Regardless,

25:40

Of race, creed, color, social standing,

25:42

social status, prosperity level or lack

25:44

thereof. Now.

25:47

It's harder for the rich man to get into

25:49

the kingdom of heaven than the poor one because

25:51

of the reliance on his own strength and striving

25:53

and accomplishments. But.

25:56

There's plenty of poor people riding in hell

25:58

as we spent. And

26:02

at the same time he rejects

26:04

this. He

26:07

that wants to say though. Where.

26:09

Homosexuality is bad and goes against the laws

26:11

of the church and nature. Seems.

26:16

Like a box Seems like a

26:18

dogmatic box to have more. Basically

26:20

good. Why? A By what standard

26:22

his homosexuality wrong? I mean if

26:24

provided especially if it is a

26:26

consensual relationship with people are mature

26:28

who have committed no other with

26:30

with crimes that we know I

26:32

did not done anything wrong or

26:34

otherwise contributing members of society on

26:36

every other level they just happen

26:39

want to sodomized one another. Why

26:41

would we possibly say noted as

26:43

if human nature is basically good.

26:46

This. Is the most impossible decision

26:48

to defend. So

26:51

we're going to maintain the churches moral

26:53

teaching while the banning it's entire theological

26:56

premise. Make. It

26:58

make sense. It

27:02

makes no sense actually. It. Makes

27:04

absolutely no correct. And

27:08

so you're left with a few

27:10

operate a few possibilities. He's

27:12

just reflective of the in the region

27:14

of the world. He comes from arm

27:17

and is just a collection of those

27:19

instincts. As we mentioned the other last

27:21

week when talking about immigration, he's worked

27:23

over on one and by in the

27:25

Liberation Theology really isn't a student of

27:27

orthodoxy and is just because you know

27:29

a goulash. She's a camaro. like the

27:32

Pulpit vaccine okay and the Cobra virus,

27:34

he just a collection of of control.

27:36

He's a concoction of things. Or

27:38

he's a steppingstone that the enemy put their

27:40

the basically they will come back to the

27:43

that to the that it was the enemies

27:45

like will come back to the outcome of

27:47

believing this later because if we roll it

27:49

all out like that babylon be video from

27:51

over the weekend were saying the selling the

27:53

democrats the tone it down to guys was

27:55

a specific at the at the pope comes

27:57

out and says in the same interview odd

27:59

literally and. That your penis and a

28:01

orifice you want and human nature is

28:03

basically good. Now there's going to be

28:06

a revolt, right? Whatever is left of

28:08

Orthodoxy, The Church if you put both

28:10

those things together. instantaneous blowback, right? But

28:12

if I take one of them away

28:15

and maintain one well, Does he mean

28:17

that? It's The confusion stays and remains.

28:21

But. It's one of the to I could even

28:23

be both. He could be an unwitting. Messenger.

28:27

Harbinger is a better term. Maybe in this case.

28:32

But. Essentially what the Pope did in that interview.

28:36

Is remove any reason that the Catholic Church

28:38

should exist. Tradition is suicidal

28:40

and human nature is basically good than

28:42

would we even doing here with what's

28:44

the point of your existence. It

28:47

does. There's no point to your sub, your officers collecting

28:49

money. To owning

28:51

property. Not doing it. We

28:59

have thirty seconds or todd your

29:01

thoughts was all totally fair. As

29:05

much as he all you have to do is having

29:08

this is the Joe Biden Papacy. There's

29:11

so many similarities there. And your best

29:13

argument against. Catholic

29:15

Church. somebody now walking this mortal coil is to

29:17

pointed his point of that two guys and say

29:19

what the hell is the point. My

29:23

when I even pushback. Will

29:26

come back body and apostles. When is your next? bachelor

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that I owe 20 bucks to the

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31:08

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31:10

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know a lot of people look at you funny nowadays

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you walk around that many ones so I just thought

31:35

better clarify that okay. No

31:38

what I'm saying? We'll just leave it there.

31:40

What a lead in. Indeed Bob Vander Plaats

31:42

how are you brother? I'm blessed but do tell

31:44

me what the money I mean since I'm

31:46

always all about the money I looked at

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that right away and thought what's he doing all

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that cash sitting here? We established

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this at the beginning of the year just

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not to Treat

31:57

this election with any form of logic or reason.

32:00

Then in and do any deep dives.

32:02

I knit, polling or anything of that

32:04

nature and just waste everybody. So as

32:06

you mention of whole you have to

32:08

like a swear jar I opposed are

32:10

oh my goodness yet so hundred agree.

32:12

Be careful Korea is ten bucks any

32:14

time outside you can mention like if

32:16

there's like a primary you're breaking down

32:18

the actual results. It's okay how I

32:20

could then that's a game or right

32:22

now so so box scores are ok

32:24

er nok us but but doing any

32:27

form of forward. And

32:29

I mean analysis, Yes, rejection

32:31

might. Might. Let me and and

32:33

you know what you're seeing. by the way,

32:35

in the current polling with advocates of this

32:37

approach we're taking, I mean, the last two

32:39

weeks we're being told Republicans are going to

32:41

win at they're going to lose every single

32:43

meaningful senate race and Donald Trump is going

32:45

to wind about a by thirteen points. You

32:47

and I both know those things are both

32:49

not going to happen at the Center site

32:51

when may happen. Neither may happen. but they're

32:53

both not going to happen. Donald Trump is

32:55

not going to win Arizona by five in

32:57

Hillary Clinton and Hillary Clinton fit for forty

32:59

and slips. Terry Lake is not going to

33:01

lose my fourteen. Points: You and I both

33:04

know that's not going to happen if you're

33:06

the Timberwolves in the Denver Nuggets. You say?

33:08

look at the box Scores: we won and

33:10

seven correct. So. Far at

33:12

it. Every time I read the dog returned

33:14

to it's own vomit and on the dog.

33:16

In this case or it's I. I paid

33:18

the stupid tax for taking this thing seriously

33:20

anymore. Fairness fair enough aren't so we're going

33:22

spend a good deal of time I saw

33:24

on the rest of the show talking about

33:27

something I thought about over the weekend. And.

33:31

I think nothing less than maybe

33:33

the next generation of the country.

33:35

Might. Be at stake with this conversation

33:37

if we are fortunate enough to get

33:39

to a next generation in the country.

33:41

And and that is. What

33:43

To. do? In. States

33:46

where now. School. Choice has

33:48

made Getting your kids out

33:50

of these government indoctrination centers.

33:53

Easier. Than it ever has been before. And

33:56

and hours being one of them. and

33:59

i must You know our family

34:01

situation because you and I have been good friends for

34:03

a long time. We homeschooled our

34:05

two oldest kids all the way through. Don't

34:08

regret that whatsoever. We homeschooled

34:10

Noah through the sixth grade and then because of

34:12

his interest in extracurricular activities he's been a Des

34:14

Moines Christian ever since. The

34:16

first few years he was there, Amy and I are

34:18

still living paycheck to paycheck and coming

34:21

up with that extra $1,200 a month

34:24

to send him there 10 months out of the year. We

34:27

were almost down to taking bottles and cans back

34:29

some months. You better want it pretty bad. That's

34:32

why as much as I'm a staunch

34:34

advocate of homeschooling, I understand financially it's

34:36

not easy. Getting your kids out

34:38

of government schools is not easy. Maybe you have a special

34:40

needs kid and a private school cannot

34:42

meet those needs. I understand that

34:45

it's not for everybody but now I'm beginning

34:47

to rethink my position at least on some

34:49

level. If we

34:51

are making it easier than ever before then why in

34:53

the world is your kids still there? Here

34:56

in Iowa, if you make less than $125,000 a

34:58

year next year, you'll get back about $7,800 of

35:04

the 12 grand a month that

35:06

the local school districts in Iowa collect from

35:09

the ... $12,000 a year. Yes.

35:12

Yeah. They would normally get for your

35:14

kid being in a government school $7,800 of that goes back

35:18

to you. Now

35:20

we're talking about what's that of because that's about

35:22

still what a tuition at Des Moines Christian costs.

35:25

That's about a what, 60, 65% discount. That's

35:29

making it a lot more affordable. And then the following

35:31

year then there are

35:33

no income limits on

35:36

taking advantage of

35:38

this program where you take your funding

35:40

whatever building you want to go to.

35:43

So with that being said, is

35:46

it time now for the church to openly say

35:48

call for the Exodus and say get out given

35:51

what's going on there? Well, I think

35:53

if you're living out your Deuteronomy 6 calling of you're

35:55

responsible to teach your kid when they wake up in

35:57

the morning, when they're away during the day, and when

35:59

you put them to bed at night. I

36:01

think you have to have that conversation. I think you're

36:04

exactly right. From the pulpit is a good place to

36:06

have the conversation about who

36:08

is teaching your children. What are they

36:10

teaching your children? Steve, go

36:12

back to the economics of it. Those not just $7800 and say

36:14

that Des Moines Christian cost

36:17

$12,000 to go to. These

36:19

Christian schools also have scholarship opportunities because

36:22

of donors. And because

36:24

of the $7800 following each and every kid

36:26

that now goes into these Christian schools, I

36:29

tell people all the time, the family leaders, one of the

36:31

biggest donors out there to

36:33

Christian schools today because of

36:35

our advocacy and our leadership and

36:37

partnership with Kim Rose in advancing

36:40

the ESAs in the state of Iowa.

36:43

But I think one is you have to vote with

36:45

your feet. These are your kids. Don't leave

36:47

them in these. And I was a public school teacher, Steve.

36:49

Yeah, we're going to get to that in a second. But

36:52

I'm saying if you have

36:54

the opportunity now to get yourself into Christian

36:56

education where it is girded in

36:58

a biblical worldview and biblical teaching where Jesus

37:00

is the way and not a way and

37:02

how that impacts every part of their life,

37:04

that's got to be a real decision for

37:07

you as a parent today. I still advocate

37:09

you're the parent. You're the one who's got

37:11

to be in charge and be responsible for

37:13

it. But if it was my kid today,

37:15

but of course I already sent my kid to Des Moines

37:17

Christian before we had ESAs. So

37:21

I told the audience earlier, I had forgotten

37:24

you also taught. I knew, I

37:26

remembered you were an administrator. You were a high school

37:28

principal. You taught, you coached. So

37:30

you've been in the government school system. How

37:32

long ago was that? So I

37:34

became a teacher in 1985 and

37:38

I was a teacher and a basketball

37:40

coach for seven years through 1992. And

37:42

that was a high school principal for three, four

37:44

years after that. So 11 years in public education.

37:47

But let me give you the difference here, Steve.

37:50

In public schools at that time, we are

37:52

big issue then for people like us,

37:54

people of faith was the human growth

37:56

and development agenda. Okay. And it was

37:59

being pushed out. from the State Board

38:01

of Education. Now I remember

38:03

being in front of our school board and I said

38:05

to our school board is It's what the SEC said

38:07

basically? Yeah, it's basically about safe sex at that time.

38:10

I said to our school board. And much of that curriculum

38:12

across the country is written like by Planned Parenthood if I

38:14

recall, right? Without questions. And so I said to our school

38:16

board at the school board meeting I said, listen, do you

38:18

want, when we teach math, do

38:20

you want us to teach the best math or the second

38:22

best math? We teach. Or teach on math.

38:24

Yeah, or teach science or whatever it is. You know, do you

38:26

want us to teach, and they always said, do you want us

38:28

to, we wanted to teach the best. I

38:31

said, when it comes to sex education, do you

38:33

want us to teach the best or the

38:35

second or third best type approach to sex education?

38:38

You know what I mean? and well,

38:40

that's abstinence based. So then

38:42

our school board at that time in the early 90s,

38:45

it would be like 1993, Sheldon

38:47

High School, as they're from 93 to 96, they

38:51

embraced abstinence based education as a

38:53

public school at that time. Today

38:55

they don't have that option anymore. And

38:58

so that's why I'm saying that the public

39:00

schools have changed dramatically. That's what

39:02

I wanted to discuss is, it's

39:05

not just the availability of options outside

39:08

of the government schools. Cause I don't

39:10

even use the term public schools anymore.

39:12

These are government schools. They

39:14

are using, the same thing that

39:16

we've seen take place with healthcare,

39:18

post Obamacare, where you're not

39:20

a patient anymore, you're an individual

39:23

that's matched up with a set

39:25

of guidelines from government health agencies

39:29

and your doctor now most of the time just

39:31

looks at the guidelines and says, well, it says

39:33

you're 59 and you need a, I mean, that's

39:36

all you are now. Okay, you're

39:38

a process. And that's the same thing,

39:41

true. And the public school

39:43

ideal, these are our schools, they belong to

39:45

the community, they reflect our values. No,

39:47

no, no, these are government schools and

39:50

the curriculum they're doing is from

39:52

on high, it's centralized in many

39:54

cases. And I

39:57

think it's, so it's not just the availability of

39:59

the alternative, but what has become of the

40:01

norm, right? So we're basically, so you taught

40:03

a little less, you left a little less

40:05

than a generation ago, 30 years ago, all

40:07

right? It's hard to believe, but

40:09

yes. And for people that don't know, when

40:12

you talk about Sheldon, Iowa, that's

40:14

the community that I went and spoke at a week

40:16

and a half ago for

40:19

a state legislator who isn't sure,

40:22

frankly, you're pro-life enough sometimes. I mean,

40:25

that's the community. It's a very conservative

40:27

community. Yeah, this is Sheldon, Iowa, another

40:30

place where it's like, how many babies can we

40:32

kill and still win? In Sheldon, Iowa, it's like, how

40:34

many of these abortionists can we lock up and get

40:36

away with it? So a completely different place, right?

40:39

And so if you see these

40:41

places, if you're seeing these changes

40:43

in Sheldon, Iowa, that's like rural

40:45

Alabama, rural Mississippi, right?

40:47

Yeah, it is, without question. That's

40:50

kind of the demographic we're talking about here. So

40:52

finish your point, go ahead. Well, there's a lot

40:54

of people in public schools, especially rural public schools,

40:56

who get caught up into the Friday night lights

40:58

and my high school basketball team and my wife

41:00

works in the kitchen or my

41:02

husband drives bus for the school. There's a lot of

41:05

people that the government school employs.

41:08

But the thing is, is that for the

41:10

public schools to get better and to remove

41:12

all this garbage that had been inundated on

41:14

them, you need competition. Remember,

41:16

when we passed school choice in Iowa, I

41:19

had a public school board member in a

41:21

very small school district up in Northwest Iowa,

41:23

much smaller than Sheldon and more conservative than

41:25

Sheldon, said, I'm glad you did

41:27

that, but now can you free this

41:30

public school up from all this erroneous stuff that

41:32

they're making us teach in our school? And we

41:34

can tell our public or our community

41:36

that we don't do that here. And

41:39

so I've talked to Kim Reynolds, I

41:41

was raised in the Christian school system, K

41:44

through college, all Christian school, then I served in the

41:46

public school system as a teacher, coach and high school

41:49

principal. But I told Kim

41:51

Reynolds, you need to revamp how

41:53

the state board of education is appointed

41:55

because right now it's all the teacher's

41:58

union appointed and all that garbage. coming

42:00

down is from that State Board of Education.

42:02

You need to revamp that State Board of

42:04

Education as well because the one thing as

42:07

parents I'd say exercise you're right

42:09

get your kids out of those public schools

42:11

give them into good Christian solid teaching schools

42:14

but on the other hand you take a look at

42:16

all those kids still going into these public school system.

42:19

You know you cannot let that up you have

42:21

to reform that system as well get them back

42:23

to teaching and learning and get them out of

42:26

the business trying to raise our children. Let's

42:29

look at this now then the other way. In

42:33

your opinion do you think

42:35

Christian schools are prepared for

42:38

this kind of an influx of

42:40

students? Well absolutely we take a look at

42:42

the State of Iowa right now I just said I was in

42:45

Kansas they're looking at school choice he said what did it do

42:47

in the state of Iowa. I said

42:49

right now there's waiting lists whether it's Grandview

42:51

Christian, Des Moines Christian, Ankeny Christian,

42:53

there's waiting lists they don't have the infrastructure

42:55

right now so they're not for

42:58

this onslaught of people that want to take advantage

43:00

of the Christian school system they're not prepared. That

43:03

said you have an inner city school like

43:05

Joshua Christian Academy that's very prepared

43:07

to take on the different kids

43:09

I think even up in Northwest Iowa because that

43:12

option has been around for quite some time

43:14

like Western Christian stuff they're

43:16

prepared to take on these new

43:18

kids but right now parents

43:20

you have options I think

43:23

we're trying to tell you we have given

43:25

you options exercise those options according

43:28

to Scripture and the best of your parental

43:30

abilities. What about when it comes to like

43:32

special ed when you know

43:34

what this is like you had a son who

43:36

was disabled Lucas who passed away a few years

43:38

ago what what if you've

43:40

got it are from

43:43

your experience are Christian schools prepared to

43:45

take on that responsibility? There's no doubt

43:47

they have to ramp up that game

43:49

they're not there yet. That

43:51

said the public

43:53

school system was heavily indoctrinated say with

43:55

the area education agencies that we had

43:57

right here in the state of Iowa.

44:00

Kim Rose is trying to bust that up,

44:02

meaning there are options say for a child

44:05

like Lucas to have community

44:07

supports like through a child serve or

44:09

other places that serve people with disabilities

44:11

while you still educate the child in

44:13

a Christian school environment. So

44:15

there are opportunities and there's creative ways to

44:17

make that happen. But right

44:19

now we're so used to a systemized

44:21

system that you have to break that up

44:24

and you need to get your sea legs but I think that's

44:26

going to occur as well. So

44:28

that if there is a pastor listening to this

44:30

show right now, we've got about a minute and

44:32

a half, if there was a pastor listening to

44:34

the show right now and he's like, should

44:37

I make this a central call to action

44:39

within my church if we have school choice

44:41

available in my state? Oh, without

44:43

question. You would say what? Without question. You need to

44:45

make this a central call to action. You

44:48

need to say this is a huge responsibility.

44:50

I mean your best evangelism is to those

44:53

children that you're bringing up that are given

44:55

to you as a parent. And

44:57

if now the state is giving

44:59

you an opportunity to say you

45:02

can access Christian education, you can

45:04

access biblical worldview teaching and

45:06

you have the funds now to actually make

45:09

that happen, of course you'd want

45:11

to do that. I mean that's an opportunity for

45:13

you to make that happen. I think what happens

45:15

to places like us at the family leader, not

45:18

only do you ensure you have school choice for

45:20

those parents but how do you reform the public

45:23

school system as well? You can't just

45:25

say we got school choice, let the public

45:27

schools rot like crazy. Now let's

45:29

get back to the public education system and get

45:31

rid of all this garbage and get them back

45:33

to teaching and learning. What

45:37

if your dad is Aaron McIntyre and

45:39

he is already certified with 100% biblical

45:41

worldview? If that

45:43

is the case, do you even require any

45:46

schooling? I mean just by carrying his DNA,

45:48

doesn't this just be an osmosis? Is

45:51

it not immediately imputed to you? Well not everybody

45:53

is blessed to be like that of Aaron

45:55

McIntyre. What I always said to you is that

45:58

I was educated in the Christian school system. I

46:00

served in the public school system. My best

46:03

lessons came from my home school my mom

46:05

and dad. Mm-hmm but

46:07

in all seriousness, I mean

46:10

we've gone from In

46:13

the last two generations the

46:15

schools were complimentary of your values

46:18

to Neutral on them

46:21

to now hostile to them. Yeah, not it's just a huge

46:23

threat to them right now Yeah, and so

46:25

I think there's some creative ways for

46:27

even To

46:29

use ESA Dollars to meet

46:32

your child's needs but still infusing a

46:34

biblical world view It's a great opportunity

46:36

and that's why you're seeing school choice

46:38

such a hot topic across the country

46:40

They want to make it happen Texas

46:42

of all places just adopted school choice.

46:44

The parents are requiring that they have

46:47

this option You know

46:49

the other and we're out of time here, but something else

46:51

to consider too. I Mean

46:53

you guys are churches building all these buildings all over

46:55

the country. What are they doing on? On

46:58

Tuesday afternoon at 1 30. What's going on our

47:00

peer in Ohio Chris of the Center for Christian

47:03

virtue Yeah, they are using the infrastructure of the

47:05

church to basically say I could just have a

47:07

home school co-op just sitting there in every One

47:09

of these churches without question again. What's going on

47:11

on Wednesday at 11 in the morning? What's going

47:14

on there? Yeah, 50,000 square feet. What's

47:16

48,000 square feet of it being used for? What are

47:18

you doing with it? If you have seven eight hundred

47:20

dollars a kid you take you do the math times

47:22

20 kids 160 grand Parents

47:25

you can be creative and utilize the infrastructure that I

47:27

read this in your community and make sure your kids

47:29

get the best education Possible great stuff brother. Thank you.

47:31

All right. Thank you. All right, we're gonna come back

47:33

go more in-depth on this amongst ourselves I Were

47:50

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47:52

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48:34

Well, you know, there's a big debate

48:36

happening right now. Maybe

48:40

you don't see it if you're not on Twitter. But

48:43

in Twitter, Christian circles,

48:45

there is a huge debate happening

48:47

right now over Israel. And

48:51

whether we have an

48:53

undying duty no matter what to

48:56

stand with Israel unconditionally, as

48:59

God says to Abraham in the

49:02

Bible, you know, I will

49:04

bless those who bless you, curse those who curse you.

49:07

There's another viewpoint of Christianity throughout the

49:09

century that says that that covenant was

49:12

fulfilled and we

49:14

are now in the church age and we don't

49:16

have that kind of an obligation. That's

49:19

the reality regardless of which of

49:21

those camps you fall down into. Israel

49:25

needs the gospel badly. We

49:29

saw during COVID, Benjamin

49:32

Netanyahu imposed maybe the worst lockdown of any

49:34

free country in the world on the people

49:36

of Israel. And

49:39

then we saw the first religiously observant

49:41

Jew prime minister in Israeli history and

49:43

modern Israeli history. Naftali Bennett

49:45

basically turned the nation over into

49:48

a lab experiment for

49:50

Pfizer. Before

49:54

that, Israel was steep

49:57

in secularism, even more

49:59

pro rainbow, Ji hao. than us, even more

50:01

pro-abortion than us, Israel

50:03

desperately needs the gospel, period.

50:07

And there's an organization that

50:09

we partner with here on the show that

50:12

agrees. It's called Voice of Judah.

50:15

They aim to inspire evangelism and

50:17

discipleship and church planting in

50:19

the land of Israel. They use humanitarian

50:22

outreach to support Israelis, all

50:25

Israelis, and to build

50:27

those relationships to serve

50:29

those people. And

50:32

the fields are ripe for harvest. Talked

50:34

to a member of this organization a few weeks ago,

50:38

and they were telling me how they're now getting more.

50:41

Israel has one of the youngest median ages

50:44

populations of any of the democratic,

50:47

small-day countries in the world. And

50:50

he was telling me, we're getting more

50:52

theological questions now than we ever

50:54

have before. So

50:57

the fields are ripe there, but

50:59

the workers are few. One of those workers

51:01

that has been sent out into those fields is

51:04

Voices of Judah. If you want to rise up and

51:06

support them at this critical

51:08

moment in the history of the nation

51:11

of Israel, and also on

51:13

behalf of the gospel, you can

51:15

visit their website, vojisrael.org for

51:18

Voice of Judah. So J as

51:20

in Judah. V is in

51:22

victory. vojisrael.org/Steve.

51:24

To learn more about their inspiring

51:27

work, vojisrael.org/Steve.

51:29

Again, that's

51:31

vojisrael.org slash

51:34

Steve. So they do

51:36

both the humanitarian work, but also

51:39

they are spreading the gospel message there as well. We

51:46

are spreading a different gospel message here, and

51:49

have been in our schools for the last generation. I

51:54

think if you were Gen Xers, Todd,

51:57

that would be you and I, we

51:59

were probably the last generation of

52:01

Americans who their kids

52:03

had Easter break, Christmas

52:06

break, yeah, Good Friday was a

52:08

school holiday, your kids

52:10

sang Silent Night and

52:13

Little Drummer Boy at

52:15

the Christmas at the school Christmas program, right?

52:17

Yeah, okay. I mean that

52:19

stuff was all going on as I was

52:21

going through Wyoming and Grand

52:24

Rapids Public Schools, the latter part of my

52:26

public education years in the late 80s

52:29

early 90s. And

52:32

then what happened is shortly after that they took

52:34

all that stuff out. It became winter break, spring

52:39

break, harvest

52:43

festivals and winter concerts.

52:48

And we were sold that, well this needs to

52:50

be a neutral place. Diversity

52:53

is our strength. Yes, as if there

52:55

is any neutral space. There's

52:57

not. Never forget

52:59

every government and when I say every government man I'm

53:02

talking especially your local school board.

53:04

I'm not just talking like the big federal

53:07

monstrosities throughout human history. Every

53:09

form of government, every

53:13

government ever in the history of humanity

53:15

has been a theocracy. We

53:18

are only debating who or

53:20

what is the Theo and

53:22

what they, she, it expect out

53:24

of us. Modern day

53:27

small-town school boards are some of

53:29

the most religiously fascistic entities

53:31

in all of mankind. It

53:33

is impossible to create something

53:35

where you're just going

53:38

to take young schools full of mush as Rush used

53:40

to say and teach

53:42

them a technical trade. No,

53:46

not happening. This is what Luther was concerned

53:49

about at the advent of public schooling in

53:51

Germany. That these things would usher children to

53:53

the very gates of hell if they

53:57

even attempted to form a neutral space because

53:59

why? It's what Jesus

54:01

says when you cast a demon out and

54:03

you don't... something righteous in its place, seven

54:06

more just like it will rise up to

54:08

fill its spot. Someone's

54:11

Theo is getting worshiped here. It's

54:13

just a matter of who that is. And

54:17

so this... it was always just a

54:19

temporary staging area to

54:21

get our worldview out. They're going

54:23

to be neutral places. Okay?

54:28

So that once we were out, the

54:30

new worldview, the new speak, the

54:33

new religion would now come in and

54:35

that's where we are now. And

54:39

I don't care where you are, I don't. Even

54:45

if you have... you

54:47

are... even if you are... you've

54:50

got six Shannon Joys on your school

54:52

board. If anything, if

54:55

that's... and God bless you if you do, tell me where that

54:57

is. Okay? So you want to...

54:59

we want to celebrate you. I'm in the

55:01

car now. Yes, but understand even if you

55:03

do that, if

55:05

anything the odds will go higher, the enemy

55:07

will send it... will find the

55:10

one blue haired multi... the technicolored haired

55:12

teacher. Oh yeah.

55:14

Cat lady and she'll

55:16

be even more belligerent about convincing

55:18

your kids that they need

55:20

to be called Shirley. Your sons need to be

55:23

named... your sons will now say, do call me

55:25

Shirley. There's nowhere

55:27

to run, nowhere to hide. It's

55:29

open warfare upon you now, whether

55:31

you desire it or not. That's

55:34

where we are. This is one of the main reasons and

55:36

you know this well, you had a front seat, but this

55:38

is one of the main reasons Varnum versus Bream happened in

55:40

Iowa. Iowa writ

55:42

large estate, they've purposely

55:45

picked it because it wasn't California.

55:47

Correct. They judge shop,

55:50

you'll remember the name, they purposely plan to

55:52

do it right here to make it seem

55:54

like this is the tide that's coming us

55:56

all no matter where we are. They wanted

55:58

a place that had a non-residency. requirement you

56:00

know because Iowa is an agricultural state a

56:02

lot of kids grow up on agricultural areas

56:05

and move away want to come home and

56:07

get married on mom and dad's farm or

56:09

grandpa and grandma's farm so we don't have

56:11

a residency requirement for marriage so they were

56:13

looking for that and then a place that

56:15

would kind of as you just said symbolize

56:18

that hey if it can be if Iowa

56:20

can go rainbow jihad then the whole country

56:22

has right that's again the

56:24

enemy was looking to defecate on the

56:26

American Gothic painting he was looking for

56:28

it he was looking to stay

56:30

to smash your stained glass windows he's

56:33

looking to do this okay he is

56:35

looking to desecrate that's

56:38

what he's looking to do so

56:41

there is nowhere at least if you've got six

56:43

Shannon Joyce on your school board you're ready for

56:45

the fight okay but understand you're that you're not

56:47

going to be exempted from it because you have

56:49

six Shannon Joyce on your school board you're just

56:52

ready for the fight and they'll bring it to

56:54

you just to let's see how ready you really

56:56

are wrote

56:58

a column earlier this year

57:00

about no middle of

57:03

nowhere Illinois middle of

57:05

nowhere Illinois it's

57:08

on the order of Kentucky yeah and now yes

57:10

I mean it's basically a red state and

57:13

the local librarian is in a civil war

57:17

because they sent a bunch of people in from

57:19

California to make them put gay porn in the

57:22

in the in the reading section for the kids and she's like I'm

57:24

not going to do that no

57:27

this is it's open warfare no

57:30

I don't care what government school system you're in I don't

57:32

care what government school your kid is in every

57:36

day is Russian roulette this

57:39

might be the day they come home and say I've

57:41

got that new pronouns just drop I've

57:44

got a few questions about some things nevertheless

57:52

private schooling in this country it has

57:54

not been accessible for many people for

57:59

many years And

58:02

it's only getting more expensive like everything else. Homeschooling

58:06

I adore it, I love it, I'm a huge advocate of

58:08

it. But I'm not

58:10

going to lie to you and sit here and say, our kids,

58:12

our three kids got along great every single day. And

58:16

I mean, and mom thought it was just, it was, she was

58:18

living a little house on the prairie, Amy thought it was a

58:20

little house on the prairie every day. I'm not going to lie

58:22

to you and say that. There

58:26

were definitely days I got home, do

58:29

something. I can't do this anymore. It's not

58:31

easy. Now,

58:36

with school choice, we have made it easier than it ever

58:39

used to be right now. And

58:43

so I think given the stakes, you

58:46

know, throughout the course of my career, I've

58:48

reevaluated my positions on things. I

58:50

used to be a hardcore Reagan era

58:53

interventionist on foreign policy. After

58:55

what I witnessed in Iraq, I reevaluated that. There's

58:57

a couple of arguments my libertarian friends have won

59:00

me over on. That's

59:02

one of them. And

59:05

then there's other arguments that they haven't won me over

59:07

on and I'm still vehemently in disagreement with them. But

59:11

I like, I'll check myself. I

59:14

don't think I'm the Oracle at Delphi here. So

59:18

over the weekend I got to thinking. And

59:21

you know, it really inspired it with another spate

59:23

of Libs of TikTok videos. And

59:25

I'm looking at the calendar, I'm like, you know, the school year

59:27

is coming to an end. And

59:33

we're seeing an increasing amount of states now adopt

59:36

school choice and those numbers are going to continue

59:38

to grow, especially in red states. Maybe

59:42

it's time for me to reevaluate my position on

59:44

this. I

59:47

have erred on the side of conscience and

59:51

maximum grace where this is concerned. difficulties

1:00:00

of accessing the alternatives. But

1:00:04

if we're going to not make them as difficult as they

1:00:06

used to be, maybe we need the demand, the

1:00:08

standard needs to go up here of what we ask,

1:00:10

what we're now asking of our fellow countrymen here. Where?

1:00:14

Oh, more than fair. So even if that's not the case, I think

1:00:17

we should at least examine it. As

1:00:19

I emailed you directly when you said we're

1:00:21

doing this, I am very excited about this

1:00:23

because this has

1:00:26

a lot to do with the

1:00:28

Harrison-Butker conversation in my estimation and

1:00:31

transforming much more than education. This

1:00:33

is probably, if you want to

1:00:35

transform as much of the culture

1:00:38

with one frontier, and I use

1:00:40

that word purposely because right now

1:00:43

we talk, modern man, modern Christian

1:00:46

man desperately needs a frontier, something to

1:00:48

conquer. You want to terraform? I

1:00:50

love this. This culture, as

1:00:52

much as possible, Steve has hit on

1:00:55

the one thing that is most likely to

1:00:57

do it if we're serious about it. So

1:01:01

the rest of this hour I want us to wrestle

1:01:03

with three questions. Okay, let's, here's

1:01:05

the first one. Should

1:01:09

churches and states that now have school choice

1:01:11

be actively urging their members who qualify to

1:01:14

now get their kids out of government schools

1:01:16

for the coming school year? Just

1:01:20

as we would expect a church to

1:01:22

advocate, hey, don't take your kids to drag queen

1:01:24

story time hour. Hey, don't kill

1:01:26

your kids. Hey, don't abandon

1:01:29

your kids. Right? We would, we would now

1:01:32

understand that's not a basic, that's not a

1:01:34

baseline expectation. A lot of churches are meeting

1:01:36

today, but I don't know how many of

1:01:38

those churches are tuned into this show any

1:01:40

in the first place. Fair? Okay. So no

1:01:43

one, no one on the right would

1:01:47

blush or I can't

1:01:49

even over, over churches from

1:01:51

the pulpit addressing any of the things I just

1:01:54

said, right? No one would. Right? On

1:01:56

the right anyway. Okay. On our

1:01:59

side. Don't kill your kids. kids don't take

1:02:01

them there okay okay so

1:02:04

then why not don't forsake

1:02:06

your kids you have

1:02:08

an option is

1:02:13

this something that now needs to be addressed

1:02:17

pulpit level in our churches gentlemen your

1:02:19

thoughts oh I absolutely think

1:02:21

so it's it is that it is

1:02:24

spiritual malfeasance from

1:02:27

anybody who claims to be a decent shepherd

1:02:29

to do so now you asked a double-headed

1:02:31

question the both this

1:02:33

church and the state the

1:02:36

state I would say no I think the

1:02:39

state no mean churches instincts okay

1:02:41

yeah yeah should church we're not in we're

1:02:43

not doing hypotheticals here we're talking about what's

1:02:45

actually did I read that incorrectly yes yeah

1:02:47

I've true if so let's put

1:02:50

the question up there again just me should churches

1:02:52

in states that now have school choice so it's

1:02:54

not a hypothetical okay should should

1:02:56

should churches in those states where school

1:02:58

choice exists our own for example okay

1:03:00

be actively urging their members who qualify

1:03:02

to now get their kids

1:03:04

out of the government schools for the

1:03:07

coming school year so it's not a

1:03:09

theoretical as Aaron pointed out it's not

1:03:11

a hypothetical this is an off-ramp now

1:03:13

Petra is available now we're talking Montana

1:03:15

Arizona Utah Oklahoma Iowa Arkansas Indiana Ohio

1:03:17

West Virginia Alabama North Carolina and Florida

1:03:19

and the and these are all not

1:03:22

coincidentally states that have very higher

1:03:24

than the average in many of those

1:03:26

cases would be higher than average church

1:03:29

attendance as well okay so it should

1:03:31

this be a cause celeb within the

1:03:33

churches of these states and fundamentally we

1:03:35

need to have it because this will

1:03:37

instantly importantly preach

1:03:40

the gospel beyond the issue of education

1:03:42

because right away you're gonna

1:03:44

run into sacred cows about

1:03:47

the reasons the initial reasons

1:03:49

why not and there's

1:03:52

gonna be a lot of them there's gonna be that you know small-town

1:03:55

go team there's there's going to

1:03:57

be various comforts factors,

1:04:02

I just think you start, the

1:04:04

Harrison-Butaker issue. To

1:04:07

do this right, to do it honestly because there's a

1:04:09

reason Christian schools

1:04:11

have become default elite

1:04:14

prep schools. By the way, let's mention too, we're

1:04:16

going to tackle three questions and one of them

1:04:19

is going to be looking at the responsibility of

1:04:21

Christian schools to be ready for what we're even

1:04:23

talking about. So we are going to get to

1:04:25

that. We understand this is not a one-sided conversation.

1:04:28

So let me address that up front. Go ahead Todd.

1:04:30

Well, it's going to have a, it's

1:04:34

not more of

1:04:36

what already exists in

1:04:38

terms of what you think of as a

1:04:40

private school. This whole thing, if done right,

1:04:42

is going to look entirely different. Especially

1:04:45

at the elementary metal and perhaps into the

1:04:48

middle school level, it's going to look like

1:04:50

a hybrid of what you'd think of

1:04:52

as Christian school as homeschooling. I

1:04:54

mean, so many of our paradigms

1:04:56

would be exploded by

1:04:58

this. This is why I love. No one will

1:05:00

be allowed to be comfortable in

1:05:03

this conversation. The

1:05:05

gospel, which you can't

1:05:07

keep the line in its cage if you really plan on

1:05:09

having this conversation. That's why I love it so much. So

1:05:12

the answer is yes, but that's not

1:05:14

the totality of the answer. I think

1:05:16

what needs to be preached in tandem

1:05:18

from the pulpit, from church

1:05:20

leaders in these types of states is

1:05:23

you need to be just as involved

1:05:27

with whatever you can be, whatever leverage

1:05:29

you have with these Christian schools. If

1:05:32

you choose to send your kids to

1:05:34

private schools or Christian schools, you need to

1:05:36

be just as involved as you already should

1:05:39

be with your public

1:05:41

schools. And if you're not, that's a problem.

1:05:43

I think both needs to need to be

1:05:45

emphasized with the

1:05:47

same amount of intensity. Maybe even the latter

1:05:50

part with even more intensity than where you

1:05:52

send your kids to school. Because the reason

1:05:54

why this is so tantalizing to just face

1:05:56

it, a lot of parents who are just

1:06:00

made with their public schools is because too

1:06:02

many parents like that are not already as

1:06:04

involved as they should be. You

1:06:06

get it Aaron. So you're going to be uncomfortable one

1:06:08

way or another along the lines of what Todd was

1:06:10

saying. If you take control,

1:06:12

true control, dominion if you will, of your

1:06:15

children's education who is teaching them what they're

1:06:17

being taught, where they're being taught, if you're

1:06:19

going to be as involved in taking dominion

1:06:21

over that, what you do have the right

1:06:24

to do as, I

1:06:26

believe God's authority has given to you as a

1:06:29

parent, you're going to be made uncomfortable whether that's

1:06:31

keeping the kids cooped up in the house for

1:06:33

three, four hours a day, teaching

1:06:35

them at home or making sure you're dogging respectfully

1:06:38

as you should be sometimes maybe

1:06:41

with a little bit more degree of confrontational

1:06:44

nature as you should be with your public

1:06:46

schools or private schools. You're going to be

1:06:48

uncomfortable one way or another. Just

1:06:50

that needs to be preached. We

1:06:53

put this question to our Twitter following over the

1:06:55

weekend and here are

1:06:57

the results of that. 94%

1:06:59

said yes. Churches

1:07:03

and states that now have school choice should

1:07:05

be actively urging their members who qualify to

1:07:08

now get their kids out of government schools for the coming

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school year. 6% said no. Now

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heard this before, I remember I heard

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this from someone years ago

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too. My

1:08:48

kids are there to be missionaries. I

1:08:54

heard this from someone at a church once and

1:08:56

I found out years later when this

1:08:59

kid was

1:09:01

in the fourth, fifth and sixth grade, he talked a lot about

1:09:03

Jesus but the parents left

1:09:06

him there the entire time. He ended up being

1:09:08

a dropout, getting a girl pregnant out of high school. The

1:09:13

proverb is fulfilled once again that bad company

1:09:15

corrupts good character. Your

1:09:18

children are to be protected. They're not pawns.

1:09:24

A lot of what's been said to you about the Crusades

1:09:27

is not correct. The

1:09:30

Crusades did not begin with a bunch of Christians

1:09:32

getting together and saying, hey, let's

1:09:34

go conquer people. No, what happened is the

1:09:36

Muslims literally got five minutes from

1:09:38

downtown Paris before the

1:09:40

church finally said we should stop them from conquering

1:09:42

us and then realized

1:09:45

before they got to Paris, they've already

1:09:47

taken Jerusalem, the Holy Land. We

1:09:50

need to take that back. It was

1:09:52

in response to Islamic conquest.

1:09:54

Okay? Now,

1:09:57

that doesn't mean though that this is like a high school.

1:10:00

It might chapter for the church. Okay,

1:10:02

I'm not saying that either. To say the

1:10:04

truth is not usually is simple as everybody

1:10:06

wants to articulate and one of the saddest

1:10:09

moments of the era of the Crusades as

1:10:11

they did something called the Children's Crusade. That.

1:10:14

Ended poorly. Kids

1:10:17

are to be protected, nurtured. Your.

1:10:24

Your five year old isn't upon isn't a

1:10:26

missionary. Your nine year old isn't a

1:10:28

pawn in a culture where I just wholeheartedly reject

1:10:30

that. And

1:10:33

you're saying this is the most i am

1:10:35

an object is what is it out it's

1:10:37

not have had in one of the most

1:10:39

common ones for sure. Now I am guessing

1:10:41

you probably don't hear this a lot and

1:10:43

Catholic circles but we are called evangelicals after

1:10:46

all. Okay said. So the idea that my

1:10:48

kid is there evangelize her. For

1:10:52

every six year old Billie Sunday.

1:10:56

There's. A ninety nine percent odds that

1:10:58

instead what is happening is you're to

1:11:01

your increasing the odds that your kids

1:11:03

go to fulfill bad company corrupts good

1:11:05

character yet again. Norma.

1:11:08

This is a frequent argument, actually a

1:11:11

narrative. you heard this before. Area that

1:11:13

you understand over the years but it's

1:11:15

not like it's is kid. next see

1:11:17

you as just handing your pamphlets, year

1:11:19

teachers trying to trans you Correct a

1:11:21

what are we talking about current. I

1:11:25

mean I I, but that's just the most passive

1:11:27

thing ever. I've never been to a school board

1:11:29

meeting. I've never been

1:11:31

involved in what my kid dies, but

1:11:33

my kids, my kid. I send my

1:11:35

kid to the Lion's Den to evangelize

1:11:37

the Babylonians. I a that is just

1:11:39

about as beta as it gets, but

1:11:42

I've heard this many, many times. Know.

1:11:48

Protect the innocence we need. To protect the innocence of

1:11:50

our children for as long as we possibly can. the

1:11:55

first thing the enemy wants to rob from our

1:11:57

children is their innocence All

1:12:01

your six-year-old, your six-year-old that doesn't, is

1:12:05

there some kids that may have a specific anointing that

1:12:07

shows early? Sure. But

1:12:09

notice we love to argue these exceptions. I

1:12:12

was like, once you ask a couple weeks ago, you

1:12:14

know who loves arguing exceptions and not the rule? The

1:12:17

enemy does that. That's what the enemy does. Can

1:12:21

we move back to the inspiring parts about this conversation? Because

1:12:23

I didn't see this one come in and say that. No,

1:12:25

it's a thing. It is absolutely a

1:12:27

thing, okay? You

1:12:29

know what? At six, all your kid needs to know

1:12:32

is Jesus loves me and mom and dad love each other and are going

1:12:34

to try to stay together forever. And they don't need to know any more

1:12:36

than that. The

1:12:43

other kids there are not your responsibility. Your kid

1:12:45

is. That

1:12:49

is your responsibility. And

1:12:52

I just wholeheartedly reject the idea that your

1:12:54

children are pawns in a culture war. No,

1:12:57

they're not. And they're not missionaries. No,

1:12:59

they're not. They're kids. And

1:13:01

they need to be protected. And

1:13:04

they need a period of time to have an actual

1:13:06

innocence. They have the rest of their

1:13:08

adult lives to find out what the world is really

1:13:10

like. They don't need to know at seven what sodomy

1:13:12

is. They don't need

1:13:14

to know at six what chest binding is. They

1:13:17

don't. So

1:13:21

I wanted to deal with that up front. Anybody else want to comment on

1:13:23

that? No.

1:13:25

Did you? You

1:13:27

know what? Let's go there. Really

1:13:29

drive this point home. Did

1:13:32

you all see the story last week? It

1:13:34

kept showing out. I confess

1:13:36

there are some moments that just break me.

1:13:39

I want things to go away. The

1:13:41

story kept popping up in my newsfeed last week.

1:13:45

An adorable 10 year

1:13:47

old boy in Indiana committed

1:13:50

suicide. Yeah, because

1:13:52

of the frequent and constant bullying that

1:13:55

he was receiving at school. It's

1:13:59

just hap- Here's

1:14:02

the thing though, his parents called

1:14:05

the school not once, not twice, not three times,

1:14:09

not ten times, not fifteen times, I

1:14:11

think they said twenty times, twenty

1:14:14

times to

1:14:16

address the bullying. Now

1:14:18

it's a heinous, heinous

1:14:20

tragedy, heinous that he was subjected

1:14:24

to that bullying but at some point maybe after

1:14:26

the third, fourth, fifth time you say

1:14:28

no I'm taking dominion over this obviously

1:14:30

we're not evenly yoked with the school. I'm

1:14:34

sorry but that's the same sentiment that

1:14:36

you just articulated Steve. We're

1:14:38

somehow evenly yoked with the school, with

1:14:41

the teachers that are trying to trans

1:14:43

your six year old? No, dispense with

1:14:45

that, take dominion. The

1:14:50

column you wrote about Steve from the

1:14:54

district that I rescued my kids from, she

1:14:58

she's being, she just, every day

1:15:00

I'm just harassed and the people harassing me are

1:15:03

from the kids within the Gay

1:15:05

Straight Alliance and they're untouchable so this is

1:15:07

my life. Well

1:15:11

why don't you just keep your elementary school

1:15:13

children and junior high children in there to

1:15:15

get pestered bully because I mean they're doing

1:15:17

missionary work Tom. That's what

1:15:20

they're doing there, they're missionaries. They're

1:15:23

eleven but they're missionaries

1:15:25

at eleven. I have big things from your

1:15:27

kids. I did from mine and

1:15:29

they were missionaries to the extent that they could with it

1:15:31

but once it was time to protect them, get

1:15:35

out. That's

1:15:38

the trigger right there. Once

1:15:41

it was time to protect them. Now there's a

1:15:43

different time to protect them

1:15:45

at fifteen. Exactly. Okay. And for one

1:15:47

kid versus another different kid. One of your kid

1:15:49

may have a, may be different at fifteen and

1:15:52

the other kid may be at fifteen. There's,

1:15:56

there's, it's always the time

1:15:58

to protect them at six. It's always

1:16:00

the time to protect them at seven. It's always the

1:16:02

time to protect them at ten. Always.

1:16:05

Always. Always. Always. Always. Always.

1:16:08

Always the time. I

1:16:13

mean, it

1:16:15

was years until the kids truly understood what

1:16:18

dad did for a living. Dignui

1:16:20

did a show. Talked

1:16:23

about stuff. They

1:16:25

didn't know. Didn't let them listen. You

1:16:28

know why? They were kids.

1:16:30

Yeah. And they didn't, they didn't, they

1:16:33

didn't need to know what dad was involved in right now.

1:16:35

They, they, they were, there was going to be plenty of

1:16:38

time for them to find out what dad was talking about.

1:16:40

Instead, what they needed to know at seven, eight, and

1:16:42

nine, and ten, and eleven, is

1:16:45

Jesus loves you, and mom and dad love you, and

1:16:47

mom and dad love each other. And they

1:16:50

didn't need to know any much more than that. That's

1:16:53

all they needed to know. And

1:16:57

I, I, I, I'm deeply opposed

1:16:59

to the idea of

1:17:01

robbing our children of their innocence when

1:17:04

that is exactly what the enemy is trying to do to our

1:17:06

children as well. I

1:17:10

wanted to address that because I, that's a frequent

1:17:12

pushback that I get. All

1:17:15

right, two more questions here to discuss on this topic. We'll

1:17:17

do that next. We

1:17:30

were talking at the top of the show about Robert

1:17:33

Redfield acting like

1:17:35

he's Robert

1:17:39

Malone, Peter McCullough

1:17:41

guys who, guys just

1:17:43

got completely disbarred from

1:17:46

the high-level professional sectors, you

1:17:49

know, circles they used to run in prior to

1:17:51

COVID. I mean, Peter McCullough went from

1:17:53

a Guy who established not one,

1:17:55

not two, but three different medical journals, founded

1:17:57

three of them. The

1:18:00

basically you know his name might as

1:18:02

well be totters and anti vax or.

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Okay, And now

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here's Robert Redfield. Like well while we were all of

1:18:09

us that tried to speak out about this were shut

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down. Kit

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the conversation we're having about whether

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it's time to lean more in to, shall

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we say, encouraging parents to get their kids

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out of government schools in the states that

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offer the simpler route to alternatives than we

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had before. Alright,

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question two, if Paul were alive today

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and we asked him this question, how

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do you think St. Paul would answer? Aaron,

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this time I'll start with you. How would he answer the question,

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Apostle Paul? Should churches

1:20:26

and states that now have school choice be actively

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urging their members who qualified and now get their

1:20:30

kids out of the government schools for the coming

1:20:32

school year? Why did I pick him, by the

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way? As I've said many times, when we get

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to these cultural questions, particularly living in a republic

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form of government, he's

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uniquely qualified, not

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just as the Apostle who wrote most of the New Testament,

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but he also was a Roman citizen living

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in a proto version of a republic at

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the time. So he had certain access

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to, you know, certain forms of civil rights.

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So he's uniquely qualified, I think, of

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all the New Testament figures other than

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Christ himself, obviously. He is uniquely

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qualified to discuss the navigations

1:21:06

of what it means

1:21:08

to be a citizen of, you know, have some

1:21:10

form of freedom, but then also be in bondage

1:21:12

to Christ at the same time. So Aaron, go

1:21:14

ahead. Well, I dropped this in

1:21:17

passing in the last segment, but

1:21:19

I think it would be 2

1:21:21

Corinthians don't be unequally yoked with

1:21:23

unbelievers. What partnership, what fellowship do

1:21:25

believers have or do the righteous

1:21:28

have with workers of iniquity or

1:21:30

with the lawless? And

1:21:32

when it comes time when you

1:21:34

realize that I am

1:21:36

not equally yoked here to

1:21:38

my school board, I've done all I possibly

1:21:40

can. Maybe I've run for school board. I've showed

1:21:43

up to every school board election. That's the vast

1:21:45

minority of people that we're talking about here, but

1:21:49

if you're in a place where you're like the

1:21:51

district that I'm in, you

1:21:54

know what, maybe I'll keep pestering them. Maybe I'll keep

1:21:56

going at it, but right now this

1:21:58

is a time for tactical retreat. I cannot

1:22:00

be unevenly or unequally yoked

1:22:02

with these people. I

1:22:04

think that's some of what or some of how he

1:22:06

would answer. At least I think that principle would be

1:22:09

in place is probably what I should say. I

1:22:11

think that's how he would answer. Now there

1:22:14

are places, you know, this

1:22:16

is a conversation for most of

1:22:18

us living in

1:22:20

cities where there actually are options.

1:22:23

Where I grew up in the Mona,

1:22:26

Iowa, Decatur County. That's

1:22:28

the poorest county in Iowa still is. There

1:22:31

are no private schools there. There

1:22:33

aren't. There just aren't. So that may not

1:22:35

be an option. Now

1:22:37

you could get creative. This would take, again, a

1:22:39

lot of effort, a lot

1:22:41

of time, a lot of diligence. Maybe

1:22:44

you could start your own co-op, your

1:22:46

own miniature private school with a number

1:22:49

of like-minded parents. But you have to do the math then.

1:22:52

What's going to be more beneficial? What's going to

1:22:54

be the best return on investment starting

1:22:57

up something completely independent of

1:22:59

the school district, the public school district

1:23:01

or banding together with those like-minded parents

1:23:03

and demanding and forcing change? I

1:23:07

think that's another part of this conversation too. And that gets

1:23:09

back to what we talked about at the end of the

1:23:11

last hour which is what is

1:23:14

your church building doing at 2 o'clock on a Tuesday,

1:23:17

right? What's it doing at 9

1:23:19

a.m. on Thursday? What's it doing?

1:23:22

You're sitting there, even if it's a

1:23:24

small country church in the Mona, Iowa,

1:23:26

that's at least probably what? 3,000

1:23:29

square feet, right? Okay. Or it's

1:23:31

one of these, you know, megalopolis' we're building in

1:23:34

the suburbs, 50 to 100,000 square

1:23:36

feet. Okay. What's

1:23:38

all that space being used for at

1:23:41

11 a.m. on Tuesday afternoon in January? What's

1:23:43

it being used for? Let's

1:23:45

do something with that, right? Yes. To

1:23:48

answer, or to add on to

1:23:51

what Erin's talking about too, I

1:23:53

have, now that my daughters are all,

1:23:57

I mean, three of them are 16 Or

1:23:59

over. You can see where their

1:24:01

interests are far femininity, family units

1:24:04

interests that they have in a

1:24:06

possible criminal itself. I don't. Have

1:24:08

a one of i'm right now is

1:24:11

particularly the two oldest one's or I

1:24:13

college that have any interest in becoming

1:24:15

see teacher in a sense we think

1:24:17

about it. But I'm

1:24:19

certain. Both of us

1:24:21

would be interested in a.

1:24:24

Hybrid. A

1:24:26

home school last teaching hybrid

1:24:29

and ah, and that would

1:24:31

absolutely be necessary. In

1:24:33

rural areas. But also I think to get

1:24:35

this thing off the ground and running up

1:24:37

sooner rather than later, we've gotta stop thinking

1:24:39

about that. This is a brick and mortar.

1:24:42

Certain number of kids. Is.

1:24:45

Certainly at the elementary school level. For

1:24:47

a day that goes from seven thirty

1:24:49

in the morning to three thirty in

1:24:51

the afternoon, I know I'd be like.

1:24:55

You understand is Steve. Better.

1:24:57

Than anybody because your family lived it. but

1:24:59

I know of many other home school of

1:25:02

families. a Sundays it's another. We'll come off

1:25:04

the kids but. In terms of efficiencies,

1:25:06

your kid does not learn when needs.

1:25:08

To be learned, it doesn't take eight hours

1:25:10

every day since as you are appointed, That's

1:25:12

one of the difficulties actually still providing all

1:25:14

the structure of the rest of a Des

1:25:16

Moines x a few hours a day we

1:25:19

can do this is the elementary school level

1:25:21

with a bunch of moms who don't have

1:25:23

to go and get their teachers licenses which

1:25:25

by the way then all of us and

1:25:27

the costs just plummets. You don't have to

1:25:29

have the brick and mortar because you already

1:25:31

have the churches, we just. Aren't

1:25:33

This is why are. Paradigms.

1:25:37

Just need to be exploded on multiple

1:25:39

levels. So work because were the first.

1:25:42

Culture. Ever founded. With.

1:25:45

in and inspired by the christian faith

1:25:47

and were so coasting off the field

1:25:49

those the the the exhaust of those

1:25:51

fumes and and it's hard to to

1:25:53

still look at all of the buildings

1:25:55

that still bear the markings of this

1:25:57

and see yourself as a dissident you

1:25:59

know I'm saying? For sure. I mean, but

1:26:01

it is going to require that kind of paradigm

1:26:03

shift. Yes. Per St. Paul, though, what he would

1:26:06

say, he writes situationally. I

1:26:08

mean, there's a reason why if you're

1:26:10

reading Galatians or Romans or Colossians, it's

1:26:12

not just the exact same book. It's

1:26:15

applying to... So what's happening in

1:26:17

that culture, for example, at that time? So what

1:26:19

he might say about this, he

1:26:21

might have a very broad, generic answer

1:26:23

in this question. I believe

1:26:25

his answer would be what I'm

1:26:28

certain we will probably get to on

1:26:30

this next theology Thursday after we wrap

1:26:33

up whatever bows from our

1:26:35

past conversation. But I believe in this moment

1:26:37

right now, he would go directly to Romans

1:26:39

1. You don't need

1:26:42

to make some broad ethereal... We're

1:26:45

worshiping trees right now, guys. Get them the hell out

1:26:47

of there. I think that's what he would say right

1:26:49

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All right,

1:27:54

the third and final question here, because this

1:27:56

isn't just a one-sided arrangement. Okay?

1:28:00

There's another aspect of this, and Aaron even touched on it

1:28:02

a minute ago, coming from a community that even had one

1:28:04

of these schools, because if you're in a poor county, the

1:28:06

idea that you're going to be able to attract the kind

1:28:08

of people that could afford to do this just isn't there,

1:28:11

right? Okay? Now,

1:28:13

with it being as inexpensive as it has been before,

1:28:15

maybe you do build one of these schools in Limon,

1:28:17

Iowa, and places like that. What

1:28:20

improvements do Christian schools in these school

1:28:22

choice states now need to make to

1:28:25

be worthy slash capable to

1:28:28

receive such a large influx of new students?

1:28:31

Is it worldview? Is it special ed? Because I've heard

1:28:33

from a lot of you that are like, man, I

1:28:36

want to get my kid out of here, but they're special

1:28:38

needs, and the Christian school

1:28:40

doesn't offer that. Okay? Is

1:28:42

it the quality of the teachers and quality of coaches?

1:28:44

That does matter. You've got a

1:28:46

kid who's a great athlete like a tatters, and

1:28:49

for example, that does matter. Okay? So

1:28:51

is it bussing? Because

1:28:54

now on top of you guys are already working,

1:28:56

I've got to make an extra trip now to

1:28:58

take the kid over across town, okay? Because

1:29:04

we obviously want to eliminate objections here, right?

1:29:07

And we're running out. So many Americans feel like

1:29:10

they're getting run ragged as it is already. Now

1:29:12

I've got to drive 20 miles across both ways

1:29:14

to work and everything. What

1:29:16

is it that you think, and maybe it's a

1:29:18

combination of all of those things, but what's

1:29:22

the current readiness rate, do

1:29:24

you guys think, for Christian schools in a

1:29:26

lot of these places? So the churches

1:29:28

are like, hey, get out, leave

1:29:30

the exodus, all right? The exodus has been

1:29:33

led, okay? But you know, is

1:29:35

that community of ships, you know, sitting out there on

1:29:37

the English channel outside of Dunkirk ready to pick up

1:29:39

the people? I'm saving back

1:29:41

home, you know what I'm saying? Is the infrastructure

1:29:43

there? Thoughts? Well,

1:29:47

I already said you just have to do a

1:29:49

cost analysis and a radical one. I think I

1:29:51

already addressed that with like elementary school. It doesn't

1:29:53

mean I think current elementary

1:29:56

school teachers don't do a fantastic job,

1:29:58

but the number one... cost in

1:30:00

educating kids is who the people you're

1:30:02

paying. You might have some team leaders,

1:30:05

but I think there's tons

1:30:07

of efficiencies there. But then

1:30:09

also, like there's a model within this for the

1:30:11

Catholic church. And the various

1:30:14

parishes already, no

1:30:17

matter who you are, part of that tithing, goes

1:30:20

to the school. But I heard many Catholic

1:30:24

elderly men, I've already paid

1:30:27

for my kids to go through kind of thing.

1:30:29

That happens within a model that exists within a

1:30:31

Catholic church and they're already giving. You guys would

1:30:33

have to educate me. Like here,

1:30:35

there's now only one Des Moines

1:30:38

Christian High School, a Christian high school that

1:30:40

feeds the greater Des Moines area, which is, it's

1:30:42

not enough. So you have Grandview Park Baptist, it's

1:30:44

on the whole other side of town. Oh, that's

1:30:47

right, on the other side, yes. Yeah, it's on

1:30:49

the other side of town. But who,

1:30:52

what do all churches,

1:30:56

the churches that feed into it informally

1:30:59

feed into that, unlike the Catholic church. So

1:31:01

begs the question, like, how do you get all

1:31:04

of them on the same page about educating

1:31:06

children who aren't theirs and the degree

1:31:08

to which that this is? Now, if

1:31:10

you want to talk about mission fields,

1:31:12

that's way more of a mission field

1:31:15

than telling your five-year-old to go do

1:31:17

whatever to the Blue-Haired teacher. So you

1:31:19

guys would have to tell me like what, how

1:31:22

big of an uphill fight that is to more

1:31:24

formalize it amongst multiple denominations. I don't know the

1:31:26

answer to that. See, I think that this is

1:31:28

something that we're not, what you just brought up

1:31:30

is something we're not discussing enough, which is why

1:31:33

I wanted to ask this question, Aaron. Because

1:31:35

Todd, you and I's kids go to the same school,

1:31:39

and it's one of the most impressive campuses

1:31:41

that any K through 12 school

1:31:43

in the state of Iowa has. Okay, and

1:31:46

they're expanding, they just got a huge land

1:31:48

gift. We heard about this a month ago.

1:31:50

They're gonna try to build more because the

1:31:52

waiting list, and Bob mentioned this last hour,

1:31:54

the waiting list for these schools in our

1:31:56

community is already long, okay? And...

1:32:00

I am not entirely sure that

1:32:03

even our best Christian schools, Aaron,

1:32:06

are prepared to take this math

1:32:08

influx of exodus of

1:32:10

Christian children that are going to leave the government schools

1:32:12

over this. They're not. I

1:32:15

don't think so. I mean, there's a

1:32:17

gal in our small group

1:32:19

who teaches at one of

1:32:22

the Christian schools here. And the

1:32:26

tendency, and I think

1:32:29

this is maybe true across all generations, but as

1:32:31

you grow and grow and grow, the tendency

1:32:33

is to water, water, water down, water down,

1:32:36

water down. That's just, I think, inescapable. It's

1:32:38

just, that's another problem. It's another problem. We've

1:32:40

got a problem student over here. Christian

1:32:43

private schools already had this problem to

1:32:45

begin with, which is a lot

1:32:47

of wealthy parents with problematic kids that

1:32:49

weren't parented well by those wealthy parents

1:32:51

because sometimes they're wealthy

1:32:53

and that's the problem and they're spoiled.

1:32:56

They're sent out of this public schools to the private

1:32:58

schools. Now fix them. Fix them. I'm

1:33:01

paying you this money to fix them. That's a problem, except

1:33:03

the wealthy parents, they donate a lot to

1:33:05

the schools too. And so if

1:33:08

you hold those students accountable any

1:33:10

given way, that's

1:33:12

a problem to those parents. So

1:33:14

that's already a dynamic that's existed

1:33:16

long before school choice. I

1:33:19

think what needs to be, again,

1:33:23

this is a two way street here. Parents

1:33:25

need to hold private schools accountable and

1:33:28

private schools need to make sure that

1:33:30

they are holding themselves accountable as well.

1:33:33

Uphold standards, things of that nature. So

1:33:35

I'm talking about in populous

1:33:38

areas. That's already a problem.

1:33:41

So standards, standards, standards, discipline,

1:33:43

and accountability. That's a big

1:33:45

problem in Aspen and a

1:33:47

predated school choice. In terms

1:33:49

of rural areas where there's

1:33:51

not already a lot of options, attracting

1:33:53

teachers is going to be probably the

1:33:55

big obstacle or at least one of

1:33:58

the first big obstacles. But,

1:34:00

and teachers you want to teach your kids. Teachers you want

1:34:02

to teach your kids. Not the kids versus your government school

1:34:04

with Bible verses. Correct. Yes.

1:34:07

But on the flip side, I'm not sure how it is in

1:34:09

Iowa. Is it, does the per

1:34:11

pupil spending, is that the

1:34:13

same in, you know, a

1:34:16

middle of nowhere as it is in Urbandale?

1:34:19

If that's true, you know

1:34:21

what, you can live for a lot cheaper

1:34:23

in a rural area where property taxes and

1:34:25

property values aren't as high. So that's, you

1:34:27

know, that's kind of a double edged sword

1:34:29

there, but that's, that's a big thing. This

1:34:31

is where the butaker thing comes in. There's a

1:34:33

name for the people who would be great at

1:34:36

K through five education. They're called moms. Yeah. See,

1:34:38

I think are we, this is why I wanted to just make this

1:34:41

an open ended and see what happens. As we

1:34:43

come to the end of this, are we coming to the conclusion

1:34:45

that the, maybe the best option here

1:34:48

is that our churches that have, that

1:34:50

just need to radically embrace

1:34:52

being co-ops of some kind.

1:34:55

Yeah. Yeah. A

1:34:57

school, homeschool hybrid, which I think co-op is

1:34:59

as good a piece of language as I

1:35:02

can find to flesh that out. Yeah. We'll

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