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Hello! Friends Greg cocoa here and we

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have an unusual circumstance on steer

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the reason that we have a

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color we carried over so I'm

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from the last. Our knowledge is

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five minutes ago for me, but

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for you, it's probably two or

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three days If you're listening to

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these podcast right when they come

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in our butter or it's a

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discussion about term cessation isn't. To.

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Here for God and that

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is whether the supernatural gifts.

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That are listed N

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Se. Prescriptions, Twelve

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or enrollments Twelve if these

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so called sign gifts like

1:06

miracles and tongs and prophecy,

1:08

nord knowledge, etc It Whether

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these are still appropriate in

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at an appropriate for today,

1:15

whether the gifts are are

1:17

still in operation to the

1:19

and by the way when.

1:22

A. Church has characterized. Or.

1:24

They characterized himself as a

1:26

full gospel church. On.

1:29

Or. A spirit filled church A

1:31

lots of times what they're referring

1:34

to is that they're the church

1:36

that affirms the fall. Exercise

1:38

of the gifts in their church and

1:40

and and therefore this is a evidence

1:42

in their mind of being spirit filled.

1:44

I think you can be a cessation

1:46

ist and be spirit filled. Okay I

1:49

think that's wrong application of the terminology

1:51

but that's that's a lot of times

1:53

what they are signaling and of Justin

1:55

here and own to be have I

1:57

have you bring just and back on

1:59

here to. I'm or for

2:01

me. Yeah okay the a year

2:03

still there just in. Thank you

2:05

for your patience the under both

2:07

you yes what I said last

2:09

hour is in last show was

2:11

just to make the point that

2:13

I am not a secessionist. Those

2:15

particular arguments I have not found.

2:18

Persuasive. As arguments

2:20

for Secessionism. Now that doesn't mean

2:22

that I think that there's a

2:24

lot of. Proper.

2:27

Exercise of of of prophetic gifts or

2:29

tongue give saw as as a communication

2:32

to the body of Christ with the

2:34

edification of the body of Christ or

2:36

things like out I I I don't

2:39

know I'm just sand as the i

2:41

am not canceling allowed I take them

2:43

on an individual basis. okay and are

2:46

in. I'm not going to get into

2:48

wow his tongue supposed to use or

2:50

whatever prophetic word or dakota get, I'm

2:53

just simply saying the concerns that I'm

2:55

about to raise about. See the

2:57

these kinds of statements that

3:00

Evangelicals make. About.

3:02

God speaking to and everything

3:04

are not concerns based on.

3:07

A. Commitment to Secessionism To see you

3:10

know. And. Everybody else Okay okay

3:12

now people have been listening for a

3:14

long time know that this is an

3:16

area of concern to me and I

3:19

mentioned ah, i'm going to be writing

3:21

on it are probably my next book.

3:24

Probably my last book was see

3:26

but ah, I've actually been teaching

3:29

on this issue since the first

3:31

some I taught and it was

3:33

Nineteen Eighty Two. Eighty.

3:35

To Ninety Two, Two thousand to Two

3:37

Thousand and Twelve Two Thousand Twenty Two

3:39

Over Forty years. I've

3:42

been teaching on this because I'm

3:44

concerned about the way Christians by

3:46

and large have approach this issue,

3:49

and as it turns out I'm

3:51

I was greatly influenced by some

3:53

teaching John Macarthur gave many years

3:55

ago on finding the will of

3:58

God. Or. right? That

4:00

he and I'm. In

4:02

I agree with John Macarthur, but

4:04

if he was making a biblical

4:07

case regarding the issue of God's

4:09

will and he wasn't making any

4:11

reference to secessionism, And

4:14

I think he's right as biblical case

4:16

to let me just give you my

4:18

quick little summary. hear about my view

4:21

and if you ask me some questions

4:23

I could oh oh oh respond more.

4:25

But I have a lot to say

4:27

and get. But generally speaking the the

4:30

way crist christians today believe. That

4:33

they have. I'm. The

4:36

right way to put it. On.

4:40

That that part of the package?

4:43

To. Being a christian is to be

4:45

able to have a direct. Rebel

4:48

A Tory relationship with

4:50

God. I. Can write it

4:52

down: A direct rebel, A tory.

4:56

A Tory. Relationship.

5:00

With. God. Okay, And

5:02

some to take this as

5:04

being it's axiomatic. Of.

5:07

Course. Of course God talks

5:09

to us. Why would you think that God

5:11

wouldn't talk to as a mean people would

5:13

make the statement what is a relationship if

5:15

we don't talk to each other. You.

5:18

Know and I have a very

5:20

good friends. There is of

5:22

that that I'm not going to get into Dames everything,

5:24

but there's a lot of other people who disagree with

5:26

me on what I'm about to tell you. But

5:30

the direct rebel. a toy relationship with

5:32

God as expressed in different ways one

5:34

is and decision making. And

5:36

the idea is well I I want know

5:38

God's will for my life. Okay,

5:41

So what what do you mean by that

5:43

while you know who should I marry or

5:45

what school should I go to watch out,

5:47

should I take or what calling and why

5:49

should I pursue and I wanna know what

5:51

God wants me. Now. Personalize it

5:53

now. Greg Coal Call. To. Do

5:56

in this circumstance. Where.

5:58

Does he want me to? do now? That

6:00

is presumed that God has already.

6:03

In a certain sense made a decision

6:05

for me about that that I

6:07

need to figure out. I.

6:10

Need to find out. I should say. In.

6:12

Order for me to do what he wants me

6:14

to do, which we call God's Will. With.

6:17

Me So far okay the a very

6:19

normal. Okay, And arm

6:21

and so what we do as we pray

6:23

for God to show was his will and

6:26

then our view As and I'm I mean

6:28

to put this. When. I say

6:30

it like this is gonna sound you make it a sound

6:32

silly but I think it is silly. Item.

6:34

In this is exactly the way. This.

6:37

Plays itself out. God dropped

6:39

hints, God. Dropped

6:42

hints, little nudges, little little and we

6:44

call him leading as we feel lead

6:46

and then we have a piece about

6:48

it. And then we have our circumstances

6:51

as fit as the Or, a door

6:53

opens up or a door closes or

6:55

are you know, confirmation And so what

6:57

we're doing is cobbling together the hints

7:00

to try to get. The.

7:02

Message clear in our head. Okay

7:05

you're taking live feather that the flying

7:07

with yeah yeah well that's a problem

7:09

is there's not a petite a single

7:11

item in that methodology that isn't it

7:13

is is supported script shirley and all

7:15

the Vs I won't go into detail

7:18

knock as you get a lot of

7:20

other colors but all the Vs that

7:22

are used to support like led by

7:24

the spirit. In in that

7:26

Romans Eight and Gleason's five or open

7:28

doors enclosed or sets of the in

7:30

the first, grunting as began, second prettiest

7:32

or having a piece of piece about

7:35

a colossus shifter three, etc etc etc.

7:37

When. You go back to these passages. It turns

7:39

out that. These. Things don't have

7:41

anything to do. With. The

7:43

way people are using them. For. This

7:45

guidance for decision making. Okay,

7:48

and the point is. Simply.

7:50

Put and I I don't have time to

7:52

defended been just giving you my point of

7:54

you know the Bible does not teach The

7:56

Goddess made all those decisions for us. The.

7:59

Bible T. That's how to make those

8:01

decisions for ourselves. And

8:04

that's what the for into the phrase will of

8:06

God does he would apply to any of that. Biblically.

8:09

It means something different biblically in this is

8:12

what John Mccarthy are taught on so many

8:14

years ago that I greatly benefited from. Okay,

8:17

But there's another know if there's a note.

8:19

so did his decision making. The will of

8:21

God is one way that God is kind

8:24

of whispering to was another way is up

8:26

through the scriptures and how we're reading vs

8:28

and there were in a god is making

8:30

a verse jump out to us where we

8:33

think there's a verse jumps out to us

8:35

and then we apply it. As

8:37

a promise from God to us or to others

8:39

God gave me this for for you. In.

8:42

A way that has nothing to do with the meaning in

8:44

this context. But. We in isolating it thinks

8:46

it has to do with us. Okay,

8:49

And so rare that centers another way.

8:51

God speaking to us to diverse, giving us

8:53

guides and direction. Oh. He wants

8:55

me to do this because I've read this

8:58

verse about such and so and it's jumped

9:00

out at me. So I'm applying it to

9:02

this circumstance a my life which has no

9:04

bearing on the contextual application of the verse.

9:07

And loses his an abuse of God's word. And

9:10

then the third way is just simply

9:12

hearing the voice of God or some

9:14

will say the still small voice of

9:16

God from for schools nineteen and door

9:18

and this is how you to learn

9:20

to hear the voice of God Arm

9:22

and I use that You can take

9:24

classes and how learned and it's like

9:26

little Samuel who didn't low know how

9:28

to recognize the voice of God and

9:30

Eli the priests there. And for Samuel

9:32

one two and three he he taught

9:35

Samuel how to recognize the voice of

9:37

God will that's not in that text

9:39

anywhere. Those. Three chapters has nothing to do

9:41

You read the whole thing. None of that is

9:43

in their of the way people. they characterize it.

9:45

You. Know and so. My

9:48

point is this whole system.

9:52

I'm on the me back up

9:54

and put it in the negative.

9:56

Nothing in this whole system. Those

9:58

three different areas of getting direct

10:00

the regulatory revelation as part of

10:02

your relationship that none of that

10:05

is biblical. None. Of

10:07

it, my sheep hear my voice. John

10:09

Ten has nothing to do with hearing

10:11

voices. Nothing. When

10:13

you read the context in you follow the

10:16

motif of hearing from John chapter five all

10:18

the way to ten you see the something

10:20

else entirely different is going on. Being led

10:22

by the spirit has nothing to do with

10:24

being nudge nudge nudge since certain directions that

10:26

is not the way Paul uses the terminology

10:28

and Romans eight. And. Uncle since five

10:31

in those cases, being led by the spirit

10:33

is to use the Romans eight language, putting

10:35

to death the deeds of the famous. Or.

10:38

You're walking in the spirits led by the

10:40

spirit. You are not for You are not

10:42

fulfilling the desires of the flesh as the

10:45

Calais since five passage. So these are all

10:47

paths. I don't know where this is a

10:49

this is a at a a doctor and

10:51

a discipline whatever that is searching for a

10:53

proof text and people of all the sexes

10:56

seem to fit this model. but when you

10:58

go back to the tax the none of

11:00

them apply. And once

11:02

you take all the proof text

11:05

away this whole system disappears. So

11:07

am I do not believe an

11:09

unrelated to see the says cessation

11:11

as discussion. I do not believe

11:14

that that these. Ah, That

11:16

this whole enterprise that people are

11:18

practicing hearing from God nudge nudge

11:20

hint hint. Being led by the

11:22

spirit all the way they talk

11:24

about it. This. Is not

11:26

biblical. Now I wanna a

11:29

pen to the out and this is

11:31

very important. God can do anything he

11:33

wants. He wants to talk to somebody.

11:35

He could do that. He wants a

11:37

nudge somebody. He could do that. He

11:39

wants to close the door open door.

11:41

He can do that. He can do

11:43

whatever he wants, but we can't teach

11:45

whatever we want and we can't We

11:47

can't offer as a biblical discipline. Something

11:50

that the Bible doesn't offer as a

11:52

biblical discipline and we can't justify it

11:54

by tax that don't teach or justify

11:57

the thing we're talking about. So.

12:00

I have a little book with as booklet we have it

12:02

stand to reason. And are

12:04

it's called of the Ambassadors Guide to

12:07

the Voice of God Okay, the Ambassadors

12:09

out of the Voice of God in

12:11

get that it str.org in the bookstore

12:14

or rights And here's all I do.

12:17

I just go through every single one

12:19

of these passages that people have pressed

12:21

into service for this idea of every

12:23

Christian getting a revelation and I show

12:26

you, I shall the reader. This doesn't

12:28

teach that. And you

12:30

know what? There's. Hardly any

12:32

instance that I exit Jade

12:35

that it is not absolutely

12:37

crystal clear. This. Isn't

12:39

a long shot? M C part when

12:41

I show these people these days is

12:43

a oh no dove. But

12:46

it's it's it's it's taken on a life of it's

12:48

own on the body of Christ. And I'll just tell

12:50

you this. Justin. If you

12:52

take exception with people on this particular point, they're going

12:54

to get really bugged. Did you. Have.

12:57

Had a forty years of experience of it.

12:59

Okay, but I encourage you to get that

13:01

little booklet and then just read these passages.

13:03

From what I have to say I talk

13:06

about for Samuel I talk about John Town

13:08

I am. I see by my voice they

13:10

talk about being led by the spirit and

13:12

all that stuff and it just turns out

13:15

are having a piece about it. Just turns

13:17

out that the people who are they did

13:19

their socialized to believe this. It is not

13:21

taught in the Bible. Okay,

13:23

okay, if God wants to the there's not

13:26

an instance in the Bible were God spoke

13:28

to somebody and that person didn't hear him.

13:31

Or even on regenerate Apostle

13:34

Paul who was killing Chris

13:36

murdering Christians. Got.

13:38

Had no trouble getting through so I'm

13:40

I'm going to leave it at that

13:42

for now just because I wanna get

13:44

to some of other colors. Have been

13:46

waiting for while but at least Battle

13:48

of wet your whistle little bit Justin

13:50

and there's there's more are or what

13:52

your curiosity I guess is what I

13:54

mean. There's more, our website and the

13:56

arms and make the the subtitle or

13:58

I should say the word. Working title

14:00

of the book that I'm I'm I'm

14:02

going to be putting together later this

14:04

year is does God whisper and the

14:07

simple answer is no or. Something

14:10

just so did he says it loudly

14:12

and he says it clearly pulses in

14:14

First Grade the As Fourteen regarding tongues

14:16

without an interpreter. He said unless you

14:18

speak with the voice with the with

14:20

with that with the mouth words that

14:22

are clear. How is any get a

14:24

bit. I was a and good or know what you're saying. And.

14:27

Of their principal, Paul advances their why

14:29

would God break that same principle by

14:31

by mumbling and you know and dropping

14:33

little hints that are easily easy to confuse.

14:35

So I'm little the other thera of

14:37

that's all right with you, Justin, and

14:39

move on to some other callers Butter

14:41

hope that helps Our okay, Appreciate

14:43

that idea. So good talk idea. Thanks

14:45

so much. All.

14:48

right? Let's so odd and so many of

14:50

you know the drill here when I was

14:52

just talking with Justin about for those of

14:54

you don't get that little booklet, net will

14:56

be a primmer. You can also go to

14:59

our website and we have a talk. Odds

15:01

are decision making, the will of God or

15:03

that's one talk and know we have another

15:05

one on the hearing the Voice of God

15:07

or something like that. I gave a series

15:10

of lectures on this, but I'll be coming

15:12

up with more as time goes on. But

15:14

I think this is actually a real problem

15:16

in the body of Christ. We going

15:18

to Arthur? an Hour in India? when you

15:20

pop or Arthur on there for me Arthur

15:22

welcome to the show! Oh

15:25

thank you for completing What? com? Um

15:27

yeah thanks my since arthur. Oh

15:29

my pleasure! As as briefly I have a

15:31

little bit of a young. Connection

15:33

To You. I was adopted when I see

15:35

them, so. So. I'm adopted again.

15:37

That part again. Oh what a fan of

15:40

and okay, Then my

15:42

birth mother after me see married.

15:46

But. Uncle's brother's saw it. Oh

15:48

no kidding. yeah I will. little

15:50

to mix it with you. Wow.

15:52

Wow. Okay Mcgrew. anyway just fun thing

15:54

as a good so my. Piano.

15:57

Might or might question. I

16:01

am very much an army. Was

16:03

what you decide about skirts against.

16:05

Okay, I had them. Don't have

16:07

the gift of prophecy and interpret

16:10

them for hims. Ah, I

16:14

see. At this

16:16

time for this gift. In

16:18

the first year that I would say Brisman

16:20

casters going through Romans. And

16:22

down. Again, so

16:24

you picture to watch, pray for because. of

16:27

you prefer to get is not the

16:29

easiest gift to go there. ah cause

16:31

i was just think of the jeremiah

16:34

was the weeping profit so a go

16:36

down so. I

16:38

would have won a call a third

16:40

wave. On this issue,

16:42

a column I am not

16:45

strictly a com. A

16:48

charismatic by any means. I.

16:50

See a lot of

16:52

exuberance. Have. A lot of

16:54

misuse of the understanding of what a gym and

16:56

at a gift is. For.

16:59

Me, it is. Something

17:02

to God does. It's not something I conjure

17:04

up. I. Can't just. Come

17:06

to a conversational june. Have you

17:08

ask me, can provide good for me?

17:11

Generally. That's like an animal or com.

17:14

Out. But. To

17:16

trick question here Mckay on.

17:20

My personal faster. As.

17:24

Sitting in a farms that they to

17:26

that he sees me as genuine. Some.

17:29

Or he has a weight. Say that. Again, I

17:31

didn't quite get that. My personal pastor, what did

17:33

you say has. As City and

17:35

affirmed that just acting and okay

17:37

I gotcha. Thank you. I'm.

17:41

And. I. Had

17:44

a train. Three.

17:46

Warnings and allow This is frequently

17:48

how. I'm still the

17:50

word. Mix. Very clear that

17:53

it's a a dream. not just a

17:55

personal trainer, but it's a dream vision

17:57

for some prophetic train answered Yes. Rebels,

18:00

Tory dream. Okay, got it. Yes.

18:03

And so be sorted.

18:05

Money. It was just

18:07

indelibly crystal clear image the my mind that

18:09

I did not even begin to get fuzzy.

18:12

I'm very crystal clear when we have a.

18:15

Choice. Sort by a

18:17

later spoke to the. Another

18:20

bastard. That. The.

18:22

Image was regarding. And.

18:26

He does a pastor who would affirm

18:29

this position that your life we want

18:31

us. On. That

18:33

gives a much. Seduced. But

18:36

he. Said. Our

18:38

president. And.

18:42

The. Next time I spoke to on. Those.

18:44

Pretty clear. That. And.

18:47

He. Was giving

18:49

me what I call the past

18:51

or brush off grid is because

18:53

because you offered this this vision

18:55

or dream ah that was prophetic

18:57

to him that a related to

18:59

him and then even though he

19:01

believes in those things in general

19:03

and even in your gift he

19:05

did not take what you shared

19:07

with him seriously. And my goodness

19:09

right. Correct. So

19:13

and you want to know now what? So.

19:17

I'm. Do.

19:19

You have any suggestions? About

19:22

out to. Soften

19:26

that. Are this. Know

19:28

it seems to me that he has. Built

19:31

into play some man made. Not

19:34

some scripts. Open Man made. Of.

19:37

Walls of and tests off out

19:39

so called just of the spirit

19:42

of the profit. On.

19:45

It was his. Job. He suggested

19:47

supposed to. well I yeah I have

19:49

some thoughts about he has his his

19:51

as a variety of thoughts. Okay so

19:54

let me to start with just taking

19:56

your. Assessment of

19:58

your own gift of. Just

20:00

stipulating the soundness of it for the

20:02

sake of discussion. Okay put and I'll

20:04

have some say about that in a

20:07

moment. But let's just say the A

20:09

You have the gift and you have

20:11

come to him with a prophetic word

20:13

for this of for this pastor who

20:16

acknowledges your role, your prophetic role, In.

20:19

The Christian Local Christian Community. So

20:21

what do you do? If

20:23

a person doesn't listen and the

20:25

answer isn't I'm just going based

20:27

on the example oh of of

20:29

Profits of Old and J I

20:31

mentioned Jeremiah would be a good

20:33

example. There's not much you can

20:36

do about it. Because

20:38

he prophesied to a to Israel

20:40

or to the southern Judah to

20:42

the Southern Kingdom and they didn't

20:44

listen, they just decided to do

20:46

their own thing and they acknowledge

20:48

that he was a profit. But

20:50

they didn't like what he had

20:52

to say. And so they

20:54

just ignored it. And then they gathered

20:56

around them. Profits according to their own.

21:00

Ideas and point of you? Are

21:02

you okay? Yeah, I'm fine.

21:04

Okay, you don't have enough like out of body

21:06

experience or something there. No I

21:08

just dealing with cancer. Oh I'm

21:11

sorry but I'm just joking around.

21:13

Then you say that are feeling

21:15

until Lille Now I apologize for

21:18

that. Okay so arms so if

21:20

if it gets when a profit

21:22

speaks accurately. To someone.

21:25

That is to receive the prophecy that person

21:28

doesn't receive. It's There's not much you can

21:30

do. And this was to a

21:32

profits of old V to today have any

21:34

genuine profits. Okay, And

21:36

I'm in. And this is A to

21:38

me it's significant in this circumstance said

21:41

he actually believes in your prophetic gif.

21:43

No, I'm not convinced of them, but

21:45

I'm not the person receiving the. Prophetic.

21:48

Word from you. If. You

21:50

were. Offering. Me: the prophetic

21:52

word. I'd. Wanna know?

21:55

Is. It have you been confirmed

21:57

in your prophetic gift. And

22:00

Er Vi and you mentioned third wave

22:02

it's this is a I'm kind of

22:04

of. Element within a

22:06

movement within the Christian Church has been

22:09

around for a while now, but I

22:11

i i have been suspicious about aspects

22:13

of the so called Third Wave arm

22:15

and the legitimacy as some of those

22:18

kinds of thing. so I'm I'm not.

22:20

You. Know, I'm automatically sympathetic to

22:22

that, but I'm not against as

22:25

I mentioned to those to the

22:27

prior color Just and I think

22:29

I'm certainly not against. The

22:32

idea that God could speak prophetic. This

22:34

you someone? I'm not a cessation a

22:36

spot. I also have a very strong

22:39

conviction that the prophet has to be

22:41

tested. The prophecy has to be tested

22:43

and white. Why would anyone believe. From.

22:46

Any person who makes a prophetic

22:48

claim that they are prophetic claim

22:50

as legitimate profit The Old Testament?

22:52

How to do some verification? You.

22:54

Know the they gave prophecies that

22:57

would come true in the short

22:59

term to show that the wrong

23:01

term things were available and that

23:03

was the confirmation of the gift.

23:05

And I don't know that. That.

23:07

That's. Ah, I'm just telling

23:09

me, Well, I don't think of this

23:11

and. God. Didn't I mean

23:13

I can't just turn it on whenever

23:16

I want. God's gonna do it or

23:18

came to be crystal clear, have none

23:20

of those things are examples of the

23:22

verification of the gift. So I'm going

23:24

to tend to be skeptical of those

23:26

kinds of claims that you didn't He

23:28

didn't ask me about that, You ask

23:30

me about what, what it, what I

23:32

do when. The. Pastor or the person

23:34

who have given the the Prasad clue as

23:37

to now that they're two different. That first

23:39

point was yeah you can respond briefly but

23:41

it cause I don't want to make this

23:43

the whole point of the call because had.

23:46

Suffered. From the com because I

23:48

think this is really the crux of

23:51

the issue. I think that they all

23:53

had their of. It's interesting

23:55

that the particular dream I had. Was.

23:58

Framed in a picture. There are big

24:00

box location. A and. On.

24:04

That. Was three weeks prior to actually speaking

24:06

to the ban for her and the

24:08

day that I spoke to the man.

24:11

He has just been in that. Big.

24:13

Box store with other elements in that

24:15

this and that dream. That

24:18

also. I

24:20

get beyond only one way the

24:22

know and others that was God's telling

24:25

me a dream to there was actually

24:27

verification. Like. Than a narrow within

24:29

the dream. and in the story of

24:31

it, it's oh okay. Well, you'd you.

24:34

I'm on since. I don't

24:36

have to affirm word, deny your

24:38

gift. Understand these. These are the

24:40

questions that I would ask. And

24:43

he's the wanted. The. Scuse me.

24:45

He's the one that's his face with

24:47

that issue since the prophecy that you

24:50

have offered his for him and so

24:52

you know if it's legitimate prophecy and

24:54

he doesn't follow through on it's and

24:57

then that's on him. I don't know

24:59

if you part of the prophecy is.

25:01

Here's something faster to look out in

25:03

the near future to watch for to

25:06

demonstrate that the word I'm giving you

25:08

his actually from God, butter on it.

25:10

if you've given a genuine prophetic, worried

25:13

that the person doesn't. Listen to

25:15

well as that second with responses Lights

25:17

join the club of the profits in

25:19

history seats because that's what happened to

25:21

them as well. As

25:24

get okay Arthur I think I gotta move on.

25:26

I got a bunch more callers and board but

25:28

I'm a hope that when I offered was helpful

25:30

to you. Think. She's okay buddy

25:32

think take care. Ah,

25:35

Let's see who's next Azerbaijan in Central

25:37

L. Okay, will take John. John.

25:39

Welcome to the Show. I got an

25:41

Iraqi I sure can thank you Want

25:43

are boy the last couple causes all

25:46

been on decision making I had that

25:48

force in your debt is course where

25:50

the two most part of course as

25:52

I ever to and wow that's very

25:54

flattering. think you appreciate them yeah I

25:57

have taught those and tough decision making

25:59

and making. The orginal think about families.

26:01

We have to another issue. I call

26:03

myself. Kind. Of a political

26:06

missionary right fit And I say

26:08

that is because. As a

26:10

christian I am very involved in

26:12

a lot of local political issues,

26:14

going to school board meetings, You

26:17

know, and getting trying to get

26:19

good can that's true and so forth

26:22

cause the issue that i i was

26:24

helping and it was kind of suggestion.

26:26

I. Was hoping that maybe you would have

26:28

something on Christian nationalism because as for

26:31

George's as being thrown around today for

26:33

any Christian that's involved I know bang

26:35

to get in a good laws passed

26:37

and so forth will the key Here

26:39

is a i'm jump into it just

26:41

jumping into the fray here. A little

26:44

bit. the key here. This is. The

26:47

key here is what a person means. By.

26:50

The phrase Christian Nationalist All

26:52

right. What I have seen

26:54

so far. Is the

26:57

pejorative use of this term to

26:59

silence people as a scare tactic?

27:01

Because somebody who's a Christian who's

27:03

involved in government if we call

27:05

them a Christian Nationalist, we can

27:07

make them look like an extremist,

27:09

and then we don't have to

27:11

take them seriously. And there wasn't.

27:13

There is a sensitive. This is

27:15

similar to the word fundamentalist, which

27:17

was a term in the early

27:20

twentieth century that I'd just one

27:22

hundred years ago from. Right now,

27:24

that's Scopes. Trial was Ninety Nine.

27:26

Years ago. Okay, And that

27:28

term was used to describe those

27:30

people who are defending the fundamentals

27:32

know I would be a fundamentalist

27:35

in that sense, defending the fundamentals

27:37

of the faith, yet at the

27:39

same time. this was a term

27:41

that was used to disparage christians

27:43

and make them look stodgy and

27:46

narrow and and just unpleasant. Final,

27:48

I understand that, and I think

27:50

the same thing is happening with

27:52

Christian nationalism. Know I? I don't

27:54

know exactly what I'm and I

27:56

have. More work to do in

27:59

this way. What? Christian Nash those

28:01

and is except one characterization. I

28:03

just heard. Was. It Yesterday

28:05

I was watching a video clip

28:07

of a woman sounding the alarm

28:09

to the public about these christians,

28:11

these christian nationalists and she said

28:13

there's lots of christians like this,

28:15

but one thing that they all

28:18

have in common. Okay here it

28:20

is. They. Think.

28:22

That. Our rights com of from

28:25

God and I'm not from the

28:27

government. Perish! The thought?

28:29

you know. oh are we in big

28:31

trouble when they sneak our rights com

28:33

for them? God will. That's what it

28:35

says in the constant. another constitution but

28:37

the declaration sick hold these truths to

28:39

be self evident that all men are

28:41

created equal in each, are endowed by

28:43

their creator with certain any sort of

28:45

be a christian national sit least foundation

28:47

Li right at the core is to

28:49

believe what the founder said in the

28:51

declaration right? Why is that controversial by

28:53

denied? So yeah I'd and cause I

28:55

don't say anything about subtler nationalism. And.

28:58

They think that's that's got all the answers

29:00

and so is it. It's by far the

29:02

things are still people as lucky. If you

29:04

follow Biblical principles, whether it be on taxes,

29:06

will it be on, Live for the Be

29:08

on marriage, Will it be on money Or

29:10

the Dion Sanders issue blah blah. You

29:12

always come out with a good

29:15

result or the best possible result

29:17

rat versus a pragmatic whereas. A

29:19

secular approach to where you end up

29:21

with disastrous results. But I know what

29:24

I was hoping and I don't know.

29:26

Or. Because you know you go of the

29:28

internet is up as most of his is

29:30

negative and and knew I was wondering if

29:33

there's any good resources. Or. Has actually

29:35

looking for a powerpoint or some be now

29:37

for to do a sermon on as yeah

29:39

I cannot help you with Chris nationalism I

29:41

just I just this is very that I

29:43

haven't pursued very much but I do want

29:45

to make a point about the you might

29:48

be of limply and you're teaching that I

29:50

think is transferable and useful and kind of

29:52

commonsensical if our rights don't come for his

29:54

part. Part of the definition of Christian nationalism

29:56

is to believe that our rights come from

29:58

God. Okay, well I'd have

30:00

to say if that really as part of the

30:02

definition I've got to agree without. I don't know

30:04

if I. Said the

30:07

rest of the whatever people think chris

30:09

nationalism and tales but it seems to

30:11

me this has just been over tor

30:13

full device. but if and I'm is

30:15

interesting you to figures. Chat.

30:17

Gp tyranny. So things in you ask

30:19

what is Christian nationalism? Most of what

30:22

is described as is. Solid.

30:24

Christianity and not get out. It's

30:26

like, no, I'm not. I'm not

30:28

into a theocracy and in a

30:30

right right? Well, that's not what.

30:33

What? What the Christian Worldview has

30:35

done to this. That is the

30:37

way the Christian Worldview has informed

30:39

us. The American Experiment from the

30:41

beginning. You know and we've

30:43

had great results from it. But okay.

30:46

But here's the move. Here's the maneuver.

30:48

Okay so a Christian A so in

30:50

in a conversation with somebody who's characterizing

30:52

this like the woman that I saw

30:55

on the news show I'm I was

30:57

have to think that's a mistake of

30:59

courses right? com from government. Okay,

31:01

Great. Okay, think

31:04

understand. You know the government just

31:06

took away the right to abortion.

31:09

So. You're fine without. I.

31:13

Guarantee A she's furious. To

31:16

wait a minute. But rights come

31:18

from government, or whatever rights can

31:20

be given by governments tend to

31:22

be removed by government. So what

31:24

is your basis for complaint? Now

31:26

you could say I don't like

31:28

that. Okay, fine, but that's not

31:30

a principled argument to reverse the

31:32

decision. For a

31:34

for a long time on

31:37

the of Lgbt types. Got.

31:40

The kind of a a rough

31:42

go of it and now the

31:44

laws have been changed to help

31:46

that. Okay, what if if the

31:48

laws said that same sex couples

31:50

cannot be married? What is the

31:52

basis of your argument in order

31:54

to change the law? You can't

31:56

say because they ought to do

31:58

it, because now you're. The arguing

32:00

that the right is there even

32:03

though the government isn't giving it.

32:06

Will. The where did that right come from? It

32:08

didn't come from the government to the hadn't given that

32:11

right. You see the point

32:13

I want. This is called taking the roof

32:15

off. You know I want them to see

32:17

if they get their way. Here's what happens.

32:19

I. Okay, We we

32:21

under. it's only with transgender rights that

32:23

we have any protection whatsoever if you

32:25

get rid of friends and rights were

32:28

all in trouble. Okay,

32:30

Even her. Even right now

32:32

with abortion. Scotus

32:35

took the right away. Now what? What's

32:37

your complaint? They're the

32:39

ones who get to decide. This is

32:41

a type of relativism by the way,

32:43

That the relativism is is a culturally

32:46

based relativism that whatever the culture says

32:48

is right is right. Okay

32:50

well then if if you are going

32:52

to oppose the government on this particular

32:55

point than your immoral by definition of

32:57

and I have a button grazers Truth

32:59

is the new A Speech. To.

33:02

Truth is what fruit is the

33:04

new hate speech. oh see how

33:06

he said that are? So anyway

33:08

that I again I can't go

33:11

into Christian nationalism procedures. I need

33:13

to do some where we could

33:15

understand how this has been characterized.

33:17

But if somebody is gonna post

33:19

the notion that rights come only

33:22

from government, then there is no

33:24

basis for disagreement or complaint. Alyssa

33:26

Just personal. I don't like South,

33:28

but there's no. there's no basis

33:31

for armed. Of for for of.

33:34

Know as the word. I'm trying to figure

33:36

the right way to put this is no

33:38

appropriate basis for objection. And

33:41

to change it. If the

33:43

government says no. Because. The government

33:45

is the last appeal. Whatever.

33:47

The government says it's right. They give you

33:49

the rights. They take it away if they

33:51

give a right. To. Armed

33:54

persecute blacks, Well.

33:56

Who's. Okay, that's the way that works

33:58

if there's a when given the right. If. They

34:00

take away the rights that blacks

34:02

are. They reinstitute Jim Crow or

34:05

something like that. What's.

34:07

The basis of complaint What is the

34:09

basis of of of moral objection and

34:11

of for the route? The reason that

34:13

way we've changed this in the passes

34:15

because we said this isn't right. It's.

34:19

It's the way everybody wants is what

34:21

the government says but the government is

34:23

wrong. Part of the Christians during the

34:25

abolitionist movement they were the ones that

34:27

led the the fighting against slavery or

34:29

christians lead the against the Gladiator games.

34:32

Well. As a lot of on and

34:34

on yeah a hospital so for now

34:36

still yeah I was just opened or

34:38

of maybe it's something you could consider

34:41

in the future of as up another.

34:43

Program. I yell, let me think about

34:46

it But that's the best thing to do

34:48

right now. Learn something to work with When

34:50

people say rights don't come from God to

34:52

come from the government or in fact our

34:55

I'd appreciate your help I hours of I

34:57

know. Ah, Let's see

34:59

where we go next. As go

35:01

to kill heroin right and Saskatchewan.

35:03

Thank you Kyle The Bearded This.

35:06

Is helping our Carolyn How Young board. Year

35:09

Yes, welcome to the show, Carolyn! Ah,

35:11

thanks for taking my called. Great. Welcome.

35:15

Barely stand here for three or four. Years.

35:18

Too apologetic. Ah, ok for

35:20

your guidance. Of putting stores

35:23

in my pocket rapid.

35:25

Okay, okay okay. So I'm

35:27

a mouse up as an

35:29

excuse lion one of don't

35:31

show. Or. Their shit starting

35:33

out there, but it's happening. On.

35:36

This man has numerous

35:38

degree is university lecturer

35:40

in mathematics the physical

35:42

Chemistry. Published over thirty scientific

35:44

papers and was it won't be

35:46

doing. A paper clip

35:49

I I've. Never seen

35:51

analyst or so I can laugh

35:53

at the university and is now

35:55

on a member of the senate

35:57

or provincial university. Twelve years. It

36:00

also may minister for the United Church

36:02

in Canada and preaches at our church.

36:06

So. I asked him a

36:08

few questions or via email about

36:10

why season. Was not

36:12

mentioned in the United Church. And.

36:15

They got a few with five, and

36:17

I don't know how to respond apologetically.

36:20

For like to read a couple emails they

36:22

sent. To the chance

36:24

could you to summarize what they say? Reading Reading

36:27

them to give me a sense of is Jessica

36:29

time to get the couple were people and board.

36:31

I want to get to. Yeah. Okay

36:34

so my question to him was.

36:36

And. Why? Is that figure that the

36:39

mentioned in the United Church has? It's

36:41

like he doesn't exist and bad things

36:43

happen to people by chance. Yet.

36:45

Jesus was clearly tempted by him in the

36:47

wilderness and he doesn't. Doesn't

36:50

he also a camp camp to a her

36:52

and and revelations speak to him? Wouldn't it

36:54

be better for people to know if we

36:56

have an adversary and a. Parent

36:59

as the only real protection is

37:02

for Jesus and he he replied

37:04

and his arms pieces. Of.

37:09

The. Juppe the church of Focused.

37:12

On he said. Jesus. That

37:14

get behind me Satan. And

37:16

that Carolyn was the incarnate voice of

37:18

God. Iran are vanishing state. Of forever

37:21

nothing can was found. Such

37:23

a man he's gone him

37:25

over forever. Yes, I would.

37:27

Just how did he respond? Or

37:29

this is his response. Said.

37:32

That since response that nothing can withstand

37:34

the. Com. As he has

37:36

gone. It's also oh I see

37:39

okay, misunderstood that when Jesus said

37:41

get behind me Satan that was

37:43

the end of the devil. Yeah.

37:47

Oh, that's interesting. I'm a little

37:49

surprises this response I don't think

37:51

is right that I'm surprised that

37:54

the response because he is quoting

37:56

scripture as authoritative he's interpreting it

37:59

wrong. The is quoting

38:01

scripture. In. An authoritative sense.

38:03

Here's what scripture says: Jesus

38:05

said this is the way

38:07

understand what he meant And

38:09

so therefore, Satan has gone

38:11

is not a factor anymore.

38:13

So that the good sign

38:15

is that he is showing

38:17

respect. For. The Word of God

38:19

as a source of information. For.

38:22

His theology so makes sense. Yeah.

38:24

Ok, here's the difficulty.

38:26

The difficulty. Years after

38:29

Jesus said this. Peter.

38:32

Rights in First Peter chapter

38:34

five and that this is

38:36

not a contested book. Okay,

38:39

The early church all understood this to be.

38:41

A of a Petri

38:43

authorship. Peter authored it.

38:46

All right, Peter says

38:48

armed. Be. Of

38:50

sober mind be on the

38:52

alert for your adversary. The

38:55

devil prowls or about like

38:57

a roaring lion seeking some

38:59

one to devour but resist

39:02

him from in your face.

39:04

Now if see the good

39:07

Professor teaching at the United

39:09

Church of Canada is correct

39:11

in Jesus in in a

39:14

assuming that Jesus comment there

39:16

about get behind me Satan.

39:19

Is. Putting.

39:22

Satan. Ah, I'm

39:24

out of play completely. then.

39:26

Why is Peter telling us

39:28

to beware of the devil

39:31

who Rome's about seeking to

39:33

devour us? The.

39:35

Either it's a very different

39:38

hundred can understand why. He

39:41

hasn't. Always

39:43

so I'm of. I asked

39:45

a few more questions. And

39:50

I were talking about clear as day

39:52

whether whether it's better Peter possessed by

39:54

faith. Will now that but that's another

39:56

issue a d is he acted eating

39:59

properly. Anna. Even without taking

40:01

on that exit. Jesus. If.

40:04

The conclusion that he comes

40:06

to contradicts. Peter.

40:08

Statement later. In. His

40:10

letter at first Peter, then he.

40:13

Then it's clear that Peter is

40:15

acknowledging the active role of Satan

40:17

in the world, and therefore just

40:20

on that basis his understanding of

40:22

what Jesus was talking about, Their

40:24

arm in what Matthew eighteen or

40:26

wherever that is on his mistake

40:29

him. And yet of the

40:31

obviously a better. Understanding

40:33

as him speaking to the

40:36

devil at that moment remember

40:38

the devil also tempted him

40:40

early on. The. Temptation

40:42

there and in. look for wherever you

40:45

know Matthew For so we have we

40:47

have Jesus been tempted and then the

40:49

Devil fleeing. And. Are

40:51

now. he comes back again. So obviously

40:54

he's roaming around doing the stuff just

40:56

because Jesus as get behind me doesn't

40:58

put him out of play forever. In.

41:02

Fact: The book Revelation as you pointed

41:04

out, talks about a To So I

41:06

don't know what I would say to

41:09

this pastor. I would ask a question

41:11

if the Devil is no longer active

41:13

because what is a sad, widest Peter?

41:15

And first Peter. Writing. After

41:18

this whole thing, years later,

41:20

Tell. Us that the devil still on the loose.

41:23

Prowling. About trying to devour us.

41:25

See what he says? Well.

41:28

August when you the last little

41:30

park benefit the mean it is.

41:32

This is her response. This passage

41:34

scripture is a very now that.

41:38

Jesus. Did not want anyone or

41:40

anything else. About one of

41:42

the most fundamental issues regarding

41:44

personal responsibility. We. Are responsible

41:47

for good or bad right around

41:49

or there's no other outside to

41:51

see either of the devil or

41:54

of God and is responsible. Distributed

41:57

the depth of heart forever. Symbolic.

41:59

Right. The new rituals. And founder

42:01

of the Church Here On Earth. That.

42:03

Gone. Forever. What Left

42:06

just what it said before. Now Carolyn,

42:08

that issue As close as far as

42:10

I'm concerned, I didn't know what to

42:12

do. Well yeah, it

42:14

sounds like he's pretty said in

42:16

his views. I don't disagree with

42:19

him. That. We're responsible for our

42:21

actions. He and his their that we

42:23

can see will the devil made me

42:25

do it. But that doesn't mean the

42:27

devil is not an influence to look

42:29

at. a feast. And six. Or.

42:31

Ban was not against flesh and blood,

42:34

but against powers in principalities of it's

42:36

evil forces, wickedness, and heavenly places. I

42:38

mean that, that, and that's pretty straightforward,

42:40

and that's where we're supposed to put

42:42

on the full armor. God or I

42:44

don't. To me, for this man to

42:46

see this, he's got to. He.

42:49

Have blinders on because there's so much

42:51

of scripture. the whole world lies in

42:53

the power of the evil. One First,

42:55

John Five. They are held captive by

42:57

him to do his well. Second Timothy

42:59

Chapter Three: That's I mean. that was

43:01

the last thing Paul wrote before he

43:03

left. So. How could

43:05

anybody say that? In

43:08

light of Jesus com and there and Matthew. That

43:11

the devil is not. A.

43:14

Factor. In. Human Affairs

43:16

Armless. I gotta run. Okay, I'm

43:18

Carolyn. Hope this was helpful. Who

43:20

do you think? Game. What

43:22

was that for that? Peter Adverse. You're

43:25

talking about the pursuing immense for. First Peter

43:27

Chapter five, Thank you And then you

43:29

have First John. Five. This is the

43:31

whole world lies in the car. The

43:33

evil when is right at the end

43:35

of First John. And then you also

43:38

have that he has blinded the eyes

43:40

of the unbelievers. This isn't a second

43:42

Timothy Chapter Three: The last couple vs

43:44

of that chapter. So those are all

43:46

affirming the. The

43:48

impact of the Devil in the World today.

43:51

So. I don't know how we can say

43:53

otherwise. Hey, thank you for your call, let

43:56

some, let's take a look at what's next

43:58

year. Com. The

44:00

Nobody. Okay Tom for Roland through I'm here

44:02

Tom Welcome to the show. A

44:04

great good fact be. Nice.

44:07

To talk to you to. A. Thanks for

44:09

take my call but I I have to bit

44:11

of a little disappointed he took my god why

44:13

it is because it's been a great show tonight.

44:16

I wanted to keep listening America put up

44:18

with the want to get push on hold office

44:20

as a sweet thing to say while I

44:22

got fifteen minutes or want to get to the

44:24

last three dollars you're one of them so well

44:26

what can I help you with of it

44:28

it's is real quick. Before I get my question

44:31

I just wanted to tell you I was

44:33

surprised and delighted to find out. That.

44:35

Guess T on this is still on

44:37

a terrestrial radio station up here where

44:39

I live. It's that Victory one or

44:41

two in Cherry Valley. Oh his

44:43

I had. who is on did you say? It

44:45

str Oh yeah okay well it must

44:48

be the American Family Radio Network. I

44:51

know they're not only bird family network,

44:53

well, not every. I'm glad I'm glad

44:55

to hear that too, so that's great.

44:57

But anyway, anyways, So

44:59

here's my question. I was I was sitting in

45:01

that in the driveway tonight cleaning my car

45:03

and with racism the news on the radio. And.i

45:06

was out a little bit troubled

45:09

by some of the news reports

45:11

been hearing about mob the the

45:13

discussions shall we say? And

45:15

the demonstrations that are taking place

45:17

on college campuses, right? And

45:19

it was funny. As as I'm thinking that and

45:22

formulating this question in my mind I was thinking.

45:24

Gosh, You've gotta have great about this and. White

45:27

that moment didn't have a push notification

45:29

pop up on my phone. A great

45:31

taking called. Lived in. I. Just.

45:34

Love figured I'd give you a call

45:36

about ah and my question it is

45:39

quite a Buddhist greg out how are

45:41

we living. In. A time

45:43

and place where. Where. We

45:46

have to start using a more

45:48

polemical approach in our in our

45:50

apologetics. Just in order to be heard

45:52

in to have a voice. On

45:55

your eyes. I've been in Str have been over for

45:57

a long time. You know it. Attractive.

46:00

Later. I get it. but. It.

46:03

Seems as though that the voice of Christianity

46:05

is being marginalized to the point of. Being.

46:08

Completely. Ignored

46:11

and sizes down right. He ties, ya

46:13

know, their eyes the right yeah. So

46:15

I'll hit. Where do we go with

46:17

the yeah? I'm. I. Seeing

46:19

a lot depends on. On the

46:21

position a person house and lived

46:24

in is very easy and I

46:26

understand completely this the to look

46:28

at all the powers that be

46:30

and the bully pulpit that they

46:32

have. To feel like

46:34

we're being overrun in overwhelm the

46:37

the barbarians around the gate kind

46:39

of thing. Yet it's the same

46:42

time. There are all kinds of

46:44

things that are happening arm awning,

46:46

and a grassroots level that the

46:49

Holy Spirit is doing. To.

46:51

Make a difference. And most of the things

46:53

we don't have public visibility of because of

46:56

grassroots. they're not big giant things. There are

46:58

a couple of people with, you know, with

47:00

a bully pulpit on our side so to

47:03

speak and that's that's good semi like Dennis

47:05

Prager for example, nice on a Christian, but

47:07

he still could me as his can contending

47:09

for our view broadly in terms of liberty

47:12

and speech and stuff like that and freedom

47:14

in our country and or it. And he

47:16

says he thinks Christians are the most persecuted

47:19

people in the country and I think is

47:21

right. Arm Not all this

47:23

social justice stuff. So I'm so

47:25

there. We have people on our

47:27

side, they're speaking, but I think

47:29

that it's easy to be overwhelmed

47:31

by what we see on the

47:34

other side and not realize that

47:36

the rank and file American is

47:38

not like the angry leftist that's

47:40

a small percentage, the rank and

47:42

file, or ordinary folk that. Those.

47:45

Are the people that we have? Exposure to

47:47

and that we the rank and file

47:49

christian should keep do penetrating the culture

47:51

or that the with the people that

47:54

they know communicate in the truth to

47:56

them in trying to have an impact

47:58

for the lord or. There

48:01

are others though that are in

48:03

the fast lane. They have visibility

48:05

the and arm and mean that's

48:07

kind of in a. In

48:09

a more modest wait where we're at,

48:11

we're at a stand. A Reason. We

48:13

have our bully pulpit, but others have

48:15

bigger ones, you know. And so people

48:17

who are in that lane who are

48:20

Christians need to address those issues a

48:22

little bit more aggressively. And sometimes that

48:24

means getting an interfaith dialogue or having

48:26

debates or whatever. And this is something

48:28

we've done since the inception of Stand

48:30

To Reason. so it's a lot to

48:32

answer your question. A lot depends on

48:34

where. An. Individual is

48:36

standing in his ability to make

48:38

a difference in the world arm.

48:40

I think that people and more

48:43

of a public role they have

48:45

to fight harder. And

48:47

they've gotta be aggressive. Doesn't mean they gotta

48:49

be nasty and mean, but they've got to

48:51

be aggressive. And think this is word Dennis

48:53

Prager as as an example. this always coming

48:56

up a new ways to push back of

48:58

the contrary. Very creative and were very well

49:00

funded and I'm I'm all for what he's

49:02

doing in our culture and they were. There

49:04

are Christians that are funding him to do

49:07

some of that because he's got the big

49:09

bully pulpit that move the needle. But the

49:11

end of the rank and file of people

49:13

associated with stand to reason. I call them

49:15

the third column and I'm actually. Reviving

49:17

a solid ground that will be

49:20

coming out in June. Data who

49:22

were is a June or July

49:24

baby A what will be that

49:26

that his own a where I

49:28

revisit this idea or that the

49:30

where the changes being made his

49:33

of boots on the ground in

49:35

the local communities that kind of

49:37

things you're doing in local community

49:39

politics and also with lot of

49:41

people just face to face head

49:44

to head our conversation a conversation

49:46

with neighbors. And people the coworkers

49:48

who would ever about spiritual things

49:50

and there's a lot of progress

49:52

being made in those areas, even

49:54

though. There's. A lot of

49:56

loud people that are getting

49:58

the headlines. The they are

50:01

dominating the news cycle so I

50:03

would say just be encouraged and

50:05

I don't know if you if

50:07

you're If you have your your

50:09

lane so to speak. just be

50:11

be appropriately aggressive in your lane.

50:13

Make a difference. Where. Goddess place

50:15

you and I think generally speaking that

50:17

means for the people there are they

50:19

going to up the ante a little

50:21

bit because the there's more intensity now

50:23

pushing back and so we've got to

50:25

hold our ground and we've got to

50:27

make demands and sometimes we have to

50:29

litigate to get our rights and that's

50:32

just the way things are right now.

50:34

but er I mean after run know

50:36

okay our town think a great great

50:38

advice. Okay thanks so much for the

50:40

call. Let's go to Ah Jacob next

50:42

in winter Spring Florida. Hey Jacob,

50:44

welcome to the show! A great

50:46

day for Take my gosh, you're sorry. Get the short

50:48

shrift here, boot. We'll see what we can do in

50:50

the time we have left. Bell.

50:52

Good Eight The Know I wanted to get

50:54

your thoughts on. Ray

50:56

Comfort style of Angel and ah.

51:00

Really? When I got saved

51:02

I would getting recommend Loaded Video. That

51:04

shirt I got familiar with that of

51:07

Angels and Styles. Go Now! I'm

51:09

after becoming more familiar with the

51:11

tactical approach and things like that.

51:13

I'd I guess sometimes I think.

51:16

okay. To. I asked a person in

51:18

front of me. On what what

51:20

they think happens after we die. They

51:22

can do the Ten Commandments or Dwight

51:24

A good blower with the question approach.

51:26

though I just want to get your

51:29

thoughts on maybe Ray Comfort dow this?

51:31

your yeah, that's a fair question. I've

51:33

actually known Re for a long time.

51:35

I really like realize ah, he would

51:37

does what he does. Very, very well

51:39

versed people. Few people can do street

51:41

evangelism with the effectiveness said. He has

51:44

a street preaching. It's not for everybody

51:46

has an archaic kind of form of

51:48

communication, but he does. It really

51:50

well so armed and I've actually

51:52

filmed over their studios. I've trained

51:55

summers are you know, done training

51:57

videos for them on tactics or.

52:00

Cameron who works a lot with the with

52:02

the Ray is he slips on the road

52:04

for me so we get together and occasion

52:06

and and or were all cheering each other

52:08

on even though we have different styles know

52:10

Ray is more aggressive he's gonna be you

52:13

know every tax. Hey last time was f

52:15

their studios he was down the street at

52:17

his home he or that I come in

52:19

for filming and he came in and the

52:21

first thing it is Hammy attract. What?

52:25

I mean that's Ray Immediately this new

52:27

track we got you know arm and

52:29

gave me a big hug. How to

52:31

say so it's it's that's his style

52:33

and some people find that the things

52:35

the way he trains is is really

52:38

helpful for them. They can get in

52:40

that style as well. They sit there

52:42

are not. everybody's comfortable there. I'm not,

52:44

That's not the way I go about

52:46

things okay, but in each case you

52:48

can use the question asking approach. To.

52:51

Our to engage with people and his

52:53

you know the ten commandments. he is

52:55

a certain way of doing now but

52:57

that is just his way of communicating

52:59

the bad news before he gets to

53:01

the good news and I'm all in

53:04

favor of that. He caught, he causes

53:06

Hills best kept secrets and in fact

53:08

for many years at stand To when

53:10

people would buy a product we would

53:12

throw in a cassette tape in with

53:14

the box of product. From. Ray

53:16

Comfort on Hills best kept secret.

53:18

Okay because this was the that.

53:20

This was something we wanted people

53:22

to here and we and and

53:24

know a very strong ethic about

53:26

the good news is not good

53:28

news without the bad news. and

53:30

if you're always laden with the

53:32

good news and people don't realize

53:34

why they need the good news.

53:37

Is not even good to them because

53:39

they don't realize with the bad news

53:41

is and so on. I think so

53:43

much of what he teaches can be

53:46

used in different ways and way that.

53:48

That is consistent with a

53:51

person's own style of engagement,

53:53

own sale of conversation. Okay,

53:55

I'm so I don't see

53:57

it as neither or. I

54:00

think this can be combined in different ways

54:02

because his lot of ground in the middle.

54:06

Ray. Has his style and he's really

54:08

good at it and he's helped so

54:10

many people to arm and sit at

54:12

to to have a method of engagement

54:14

or are utter. Have you noticed so

54:16

you've seen as films and stuff right

54:19

is on the street stuff. Yeah.

54:22

I I I have. Okay,

54:24

So what's the standard style on

54:26

the street? When. He's

54:28

got a microphone with other people. The.

54:31

Ip. I think aggressive is a good way

54:33

to put it but I ottawa day like.

54:36

He that the i guess that's why I

54:38

struggle with is trying to understand what that

54:40

kind of style is. Okay well with him

54:42

and when I was gonna say as his

54:44

standard style is to ask questions. Was.

54:47

Not street speech, street preaching and he's

54:49

talking to people. He asks a lot

54:52

of questions. This is what we do

54:54

here. This what we teach. And

54:57

they've incorporated. Allow that stuff you

54:59

know, with who is into I'm

55:01

into their style. You know? I'm

55:04

not saying that. You. Know

55:06

it with this is all stand resist of

55:08

it kind of common sense, but we had

55:10

an influence on on their organization. that's why

55:13

they've had me out and are and the

55:15

his. He's constantly asking questions and it's a

55:17

street smarts approach. Have you seen the book

55:20

that have done just recently came out six

55:22

months ago streets March where he's using questions

55:24

to make a point. He's asking commonsense questions

55:26

and it moves the person down the line.

55:29

and all of sudden they they find themselves

55:31

having led themselves by responding to the questions

55:33

into a spot where they've gotta agree with

55:35

Re. Which. Is brilliant.

55:38

It's. Fabulous, but his style is

55:40

more pointed, more aggressive. Very funny.

55:43

I want to save more in

55:45

your face, more art, but it's

55:47

not hot harsh. Because. He

55:49

said joker, you know and he's working

55:51

with people and the helping them to

55:54

understand. Ah, you know him as disarming

55:56

them with the question. So I'm all

55:58

for what he's doing. I'm

56:00

I'm It's just. Been. Among

56:02

my approach is a little different. That's all I could

56:05

say. He's

56:07

I do a lot of the same things but it's just

56:09

the the posture and he's more aggressive than I am. He's.

56:11

Going to witness to everybody he says

56:14

is all the time. that's not me

56:16

and that's not everybody else. But some

56:18

people benefit more from raise approach, some

56:21

from my approach and some you know

56:23

as a mixture and between. But.

56:27

I like are a lot. Okay, that makes sense.

56:30

Yes, It does alright Alright Jacob thank

56:32

you for your call we got. We

56:34

got through to yeah took a while

56:36

but we did it and the ah

56:38

Yazid Look at their different styles and

56:40

you can learn for lots of different

56:42

people and are I love Would. Rate

56:45

home for does he ended. Boy has

56:47

God use him amazingly over the years

56:49

and now in the theses written a

56:51

video said he's done and the people

56:54

that he's trained to go out and

56:56

be bold for the cause of Christ

56:58

and on and so I'm thankful for

57:00

him and I'm glad that of got

57:03

a chance to to know him and.

57:06

And encourage him as he is a

57:08

curse or a friend. Has our great

57:10

Coakley risk and a reason given heaven

57:13

of it.