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Welcome to

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Spirit's Podcast.

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A boozy dive into mythology, legends, and folklore. Every

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week we pour a drink and learn about a

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new story from around the world. I'm Amanda. And

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I'm Julia. And hey, it's another

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Urban Legends episode. What up, my

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people, my spooky, spooky people. Featuring

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not only our senior audio editrix here

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at Multitude that is their official job

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title. It's senior audio editor, but you know,

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you can make it fancy when you want to. But

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also the creator of a new podcast you should know

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about is Vicha Stanton. Hi everybody.

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Thanks so much for having me. And so,

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I'm so psyched to be back. Amazing.

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Vicha, what are you going to be working on? Thank you so much. And

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I'm so glad you asked. And thank you for asking. I've

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been working really hard on a new actual play podcast that

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combines like a lot of the stuff I

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really admire about things I really like and

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things I've learned making podcasts for a bunch

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of years and tries to combine them into

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something really fun with my friends and a

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really cool improvised story. It's called The Wandering

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Path. And it's coming this month, next month.

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Something like that. Yeah, something like that.

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I'm very excited. I got a sneak

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peek to listen to it. It's delightful.

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I love it. I love all the

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energy. I love the characters. I love

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the storytelling. I love the stuff that's

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very clearly inspired by Kingdom Hearts. Like

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it's so Kingdom Hearts. Like

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it's a little bit weirdly Kingdom Hearts. Hey,

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listen, we don't pick our inspirations.

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They pick us. We're just out here

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living in our world. They do pick us.

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And Vicha, every time you're on the show,

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I try to curate the stories

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for you as best I can. So.

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I, you know, I do. Is there an urban legend

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about King of Hearts? There isn't, but I'm trying really hard

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to come up with a way that I could sort

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of like put in a reference. So

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I'll see how I go. Okay. Let's

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do it. Let's do it. Well, the first

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one, the first story I have to share

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today comes from Violet Sheher. And

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the subject of this email is

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Dream Lake Creatures pronoun Fairy

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Tail. Okay. Okay. I'm

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into it. I'm into it.

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Violet writes, Hi spirits, friends and family members.

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My name is Violet and I'm writing in

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to tell you about the dream I had

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last night. Now this came hot and fresh

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folks at the kitchen from August of last

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year. So it's a real like end of

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summer, big, you know, dreamy, like sticky summer

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night dream, which to me always has the

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quality being a little bit closer to the

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dreamscape than other times of year. Can

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you tell Amanda is a Shakespeare person?

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Oh yeah. There's

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something about the air more closely matching

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your body temperature that really bleeds the

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light, the barriers. Thank you,

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Misha. Is that why at the end of a

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long recording session in a sound isolated room, I

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feel a little bit dead. Yeah. Cool,

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cool, cool. So Violet writes, thank

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you so much for everything you're doing. First of all,

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I vibe with the show on an atomic level as

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a nerdy little high school by everything

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from the creepy cool cryptids and myths to

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the speech and debate references. Shout out, Lincoln

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Douglas have made me feel so excited and

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welcomed by the content you create. So

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thank you. You got to talk about

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debate team more. I think we got to

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get those debate team kids in. You know, most

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of my time in debate was spent being the

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only girl, which I have to admit I really

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enjoyed as a problematic team girl and

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also quoting Locke and Hobbs without really

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understanding why. And why did no one

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let me quote Marx? Why was

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my why was my like 28 year old

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high school English teacher not giving me the

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communist manifesto and saying here you should have

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this? You know why? Because

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perhaps you were doing debate club in America.

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Yeah, no, you're right. You do not like

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a cold work here. No, we don't. So,

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on to the story. Normally I don't listen

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to spirits while going to sleep. Your myths can

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sometimes be too creepy for my paranoid brain. So

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it was something new when I put on your

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latest episode about the tempest to fall asleep to.

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He picked up on the vibes, Delia. I

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knew, I knew the Shakespeare

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kiddos would love it. I just knew it.

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That's why I wanted to do that series

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so badly. Last night, some time between drifting

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off and being woken by my cat half

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an hour before my early alarm, I

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dreamt I was in a forest. It

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was heavily wooded with furs and oaks,

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thick layers of moss and ferns on

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the ground and bordered by a lake.

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The plot of this dream was unclear

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when I woke up, but I think

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it followed a fairy tale structure where

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I went about a few tasks and

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then asked an innocuous question to something

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in the lake. No question is

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ever innocuous in a fairy tale. That's the

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problem. That's kind of

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fairy tale logic, isn't it? That nothing

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is innocuous. Everything has meaning, everything has

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purpose. Yeah, well that's just economy of

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words, you know what I mean? Like that's just

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storytelling. That's true. Yeah, yeah. The thing

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in the lake was humanoid, but pale and gaunt

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with pure black eyes and

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a distinctly inhuman mouth

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draped in seaweed. It

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was almost kelpy like, but despite its

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horrifying appearance, its presence felt very comforting

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and familiar. And whatever it was

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belonged in the lake and I could

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just tell it was a source of wisdom. So the question

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I asked was something similar to, what are your

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pronouns? Which we

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love, a pronoun conscious, you

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know, narrator. Folks, what

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do we think of this? Would you ever in

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a million years in a fairy tale or a

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dream stop to ask or is this great? Is

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this what we should be doing? I think it

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really falls under the category of like, Misha

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is my DM in my

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home campaign of Dungeons and

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Dragons. Going six years strong.

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Six years strong, baby. But

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I think that asking a

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villain either their pronouns or their name in

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the middle of combat is a very fun

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thing to do to throw your DM off

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guard. Julia loves to do this. I'm in

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the middle of my villain monologue and she's

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just like, oh, and by the way, sorry,

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what are your pronouns? And I cut off

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me. What's your name? Cut me off at

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the legs. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. So

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I think that we should be asking

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more mysterious creatures, both their names and pronouns, and

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fairytale experiences. That's my hot take. OK. Misha, as the recipient

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of such questions, what do you think? Yeah.

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So what I think is that

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most people should just default to your

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eminence. Yeah, that's true. This

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is good. And then wait for their

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foot attendants and servants to offer their pronouns

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and then pick up on them. Mm-hmm. That's

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very good. And I mean, you can't go wrong by

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addressing a being by their name, right?

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Like, you know, you just... Yeah. You're

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eternal glory. You're, you know, just like

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some really deep title of deference. You

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know what I mean? Just like... You're

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magnificence. I love it. You're radiance. I'm going

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to go on. Your radiance

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is a really good one, especially for holy spirits.

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Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So I asked, what are your

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pronouns? It replied with something

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vague but fitting that I can't quite seem

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to recall. Now, Violet. Violet,

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what's the point? Is it your

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eminence? Is it your radiance? Is

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it your seaweed-iest? What is it?

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It honestly sounds like the being

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responded in pronouns no mortal

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tongue can speak. Yes. Violet unlocked new pronouns

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and we just don't know or rediscovered, you

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know, ancient pronouns. We like it. One or

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the other. I wish we could have them.

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I would like those pronouns. How do I

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do that? I get it.

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Very night-well coded to be like,

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my pronouns are a indecipherable, kasulian

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moth. Yeah. My

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pronouns are, and then Bren insert like

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a unholy noise here for about three

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seconds. Just Bren just right now. Thank you. And

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those are my pronouns. Oh, okay. That's a mood.

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That's my gender. That's my gender. I love

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it. So, in the dream, I walked

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through the woods for a while longer before returning

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to the lakeside and posing the same question with

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the same reply. I had conversations with

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my friends who were nearby in the dream and

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then returned for the third and final time to

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ask my question. This time

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when I said, what are your pronouns? The

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being responded, what do you think, my dear?

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Well, they did tell you twice at this

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point. It's a little rude you've forgotten, you

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know? I can't fault the

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being. Both its reply and its

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deviation from our established back and forth surprised

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me. But at that point in the dream,

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it ended and I never

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gave it an answer. The question wasn't just

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about what I thought of it, but what

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I thought of myself. I

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shared that throughout our three-fold conversations, it never once

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moved its mouth to speak. Pretty

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cool. Spooky. Very Princess Mononoke

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spirit. Now

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maybe the dream is a result of

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back to school stress and too much

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Shakespeare, or maybe I miss something important

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in the dream world. But either way,

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that is my creepy coolest story so

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far, excluding the auspicious lightbulb flickering door

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slamming spooky creeks that probably just come

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with living in an old house. Probably.

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I find it often in my dreams,

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no matter what the aesthetic or the

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paints that my mind paints a portrait

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with, if you will, that

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it's always about me trying to

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do something and never really achieving

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it. It's always like, I

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gotta do this thing and it's the process of trying

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to do it and you never get there and then

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you wake up. That seems like a conversation to have

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with your therapist, bud. I'd say that right

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now off the top of my head. Fair,

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but also I guess what our

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podcast for. Yeah, that's fair. And

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I think there is a real dream logic to that, where

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like you wake up before you die or go off

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a cliff or reach something really important and you're

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about to open the door and your mind wakes you

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up. That strikes me as very

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normative of dreams. Mine are always just

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very... mundane stress dreams about like doing something I

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need to do tomorrow and I'm worried about a lot

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of mine tend to be about trying

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to find someone at a very infinitely

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large party tell them something and I

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can't quite find them or what room

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they're in. That's stressful. Oh, Misha, that's,

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that's, that's anxiety producing. I don't like

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that. Well, that's dreams sometimes. That

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be dreams sometimes for sure. Amanda,

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it's funny that you were like, hey, what I'm

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gonna do is I'm gonna specifically pick ones that

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are very Misha coded. Yeah, cuz I did the

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same thing without asking you. Hooray!

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It's a Misha party. Let's go. It is a

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Misha party. Mine is titled the

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fae borrowed my flower crown at a

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larp. Well, Yes, nothing more Misha

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than that. What immediately right away?

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What a good place for a

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fairy to blend in entirely. Continue.

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Yeah, facts. So this

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is from Cobweb, she they and they

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write hello spooky people I've been listening

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to you guys for years from my

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first adult job to grad school and

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now a slightly better paying adult job.

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Hey, I've written in before but this

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is my first urban legend. So does

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it even count? Yes. You asked

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for more urban legends. So you're getting

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mine. This happened a couple of years

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ago while I was an NPC for

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a large blockbuster larp. I'll do my

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best to remember the details. Awesome.

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Now this larp was based on

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a wizard college and had easily

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a couple hundred people participating. A

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historic think colonial times University was

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rented to use as the setting

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and we all stayed in dorms

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on the campus. Okay, can I ask

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some clarifying questions here? Great. So I've not

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done a lot of like Renfaire larp experiences.

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So the person writing in was like a

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background actor for lack of a better phrase

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like that's what they mean by NBC. Yeah.

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So when they they're talking about NPC, they're

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talking about like someone who is associated with

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the larp in like a

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like acting capacity rather than

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being one of the participants, I think. Got

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it. Kind of like the equivalent of like

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a con volunteer. Oh, sure. Except

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in character all the time.

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Yeah, except like you're sort of given

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like a short little bit of

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narrative and like what purpose you

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serve to people who are playing the game. Yes.

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Cool. And it's sort of immersive. And like when you're

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on the clock, you're like around, or like on your

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post or whatever, and then the guests are sort of

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like walking around type thing. Yeah. OK. Kind

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of like immersive theater where you have the actors and the

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rest of you are just like, and tell

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me how your father died. And the person's like,

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well, let me tell you.

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So she continues, everyone participating did

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their best to keep everything as

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quote unquote made up as possible.

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So no actual rituals or spells

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or appropriation. Great. This is very

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important, especially since we were using such an

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old setting that had a lot of history

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to it and was deaf haunted AF. I

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helped a lot with the costuming. And since I

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lived in town, I brought bins and bins of

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my own stuff to use. I've

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always been interested in the fae and folklore

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and often had fae based characters when I

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larped, which led to a lot of different

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costume pieces. There was a plot

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line involving one of the student players

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summoning the wild god of the forest.

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I think that's what it was, but

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I wasn't part of that plot. So my recollection

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is a little vague on that. Everything

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was, again, completely made up. No

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actual rituals were done. But it

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did happen at midnight and fairly

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deep in the woods on the campus. Actually,

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it sounds like what you've done is made a ritual.

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It sounds like you've gathered lots of people

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excited to use their imaginations into sort of

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like a vibey place at a certain time

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on the clock. And that sounds like a ritual. It

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sounds like you gathered hundreds of people to

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manifest one thing and then didn't think magic

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was going to happen. And you were like,

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well, as long as we're not using

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real rituals, a ritual is just what you believe in

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and what you make of it, dude. Hoo

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boy. OK. So they

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continue. I lent some costume pieces

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to some other NPCs so that

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they could play the wild god

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and various followers. I heard that

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it was really cool and it went well.

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A mist rolled in, they had colorful lighting.

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It had been a hit and the pictures

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were cool as hell. A mist

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rolled in. Ah,

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fog and magic. Okay, was it

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fog machines or? So they

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specify like, oh, they had colorful lighting. I

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think if it had been a fog machine,

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they would have been like, yeah, you know,

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they created some fog. No, a fucking mist

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rolled in. Yeah. It

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sounds like the wild god really got

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you guys to do it a favor. It's what

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it sounds like. It sounds like. So

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cut to the final day of the larp,

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we're gathering everything and cleaning up. And one

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of the other NPCs brings the flower crown

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that I had lent to the person playing

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the wild god and tells me that she's

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going to go and cleanse all the places

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we used and leave an offering in the

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woods. Yeah. This person knows what's

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up. This person understands. That's just safe. That's just

14:53

smart. That's just practice. Apparently,

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this flower crown had disappeared the

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night of the scene and no one had

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been able to find it. They'd gone back

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the next morning when it was laid out

15:04

to clean up what had been left over

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and it wasn't there. And no one had

15:08

seen it for several other times the clearing

15:10

was used for other scenes. When

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they went back on this last day

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to double check that everything had been

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gathered and no trash was left behind,

15:19

they found the flower crown sitting on

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a tree stump in the middle of

15:24

a clearing. Very deliberately placed. It wasn't

15:26

a lightweight Renfair flower crown. It was

15:29

a dense crown of fake flowers and

15:31

leaves made to wear at a combat-based

15:33

larp. And you could definitely

15:36

feel when you wore it and it wouldn't have

15:38

just been blown away in the wind. And

15:40

it sounds like too heavy for a bird to be like, is this real?

15:42

Pick it up, put it back down. No, and then

15:45

fly away. Yes, correct, correct. And it

15:47

wouldn't have just fallen off and someone was like, oh,

15:49

I lost the crown. You would have felt it fall off. There

15:52

were a few other weird things that

15:55

happened at that university. Things going missing

15:57

and turning up in impossible places. Lights

15:59

on. in rooms and buildings that should

16:01

have been empty, extra people showing up

16:04

and vanishing, things like that. Extra people

16:06

showing up and vanishing is not...that's

16:08

not good event planning, I'm gonna say.

16:11

A lot of these things are like, okay, maybe people

16:13

dropped some stuff and like, staff found it and tried

16:15

to put it somewhere where it was visible. Or you

16:17

did the wild god a pretty good saver. They

16:20

continue, we were in an old place

16:22

with a lot of history and a

16:24

lot of energy and the forest around

16:26

the university was overgrown and untouched. Something

16:28

was interested in what we were doing

16:30

and kindly returned to my flower crown.

16:33

I did put the flower crown on my head once

16:35

I got it back, then immediately took it off because

16:37

it had been in the woods for a

16:40

couple days and also spiders. The

16:42

spiders are part of the magic.

16:45

Yeah, the spiders...listen, the wild god has

16:47

patrons and they are spiders. The wild

16:50

god gave you those spiders. Don't

16:52

throw it away to guess. So I made sure

16:55

to leave an offering in the woods as well

16:57

and I thanked whatever was around for letting us

16:59

use this beautiful location. I'm not very

17:02

sensitive to supernatural things or spirits or

17:04

energy, so this is the most interesting

17:06

personal story that I have, but I'm

17:09

always careful to respect the old and

17:11

wild places. If you're ever

17:13

near the mountains of Virginia and want to

17:15

visit the Blackfriars Playhouse, let me know. Being

17:17

a professional adult peter kid has its perks.

17:20

Stay creepy and cool, cobwebs.

17:23

Incredible. So much fun. Okay,

17:25

what does this magic item do, this

17:28

flower crown? Well now it's summoned spiders.

17:31

Yeah, I mean it's summoned spiders. I also think

17:33

that there's like it can clear bad weather. Ooh,

17:37

it's really good. Or summon fog. Yeah,

17:40

maybe it does, maybe you can do like a

17:42

fog cloud with it or like a light gusts

17:44

or there's probably some good like weather spell

17:47

charges you can throw on a magic crown. Oh

17:50

yeah, yeah, naturally, naturally. I love the

17:52

thought that you can like displace precipitation

17:54

from one place to another. So maybe like

17:56

you really need some clear weather, you know,

17:58

in one zone of the camp. but you

18:00

have to sort of like it's the equivalent of like a junk

18:02

drawer in a kitchen you have to like shove all the precipitation

18:04

somewhere else and so perhaps Oh, this does

18:07

roll in honey. Where'd you put the rain? Is it in

18:09

with the batteries? It is

18:11

it is it's right next to the pliers Well

18:14

speaking of Household implements

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I have another Misha themed urban

18:18

legend, but first folks. Let's take

18:20

a quick refill. Shall we let's

18:23

go. Let's do it Hey,

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24:21

are back in Misha. Hey, what

24:23

have you been enjoying lately? Cocktail,

24:26

mocktail, drink wise. Anything fun and

24:28

exciting over there? Yes, I've been

24:30

going out for Taco Tuesdays weekly

24:32

with my friend Sam. And the

24:34

place we go is over in

24:37

Studio City, California. It's

24:39

called Grey's Tavern and they make a thing

24:41

called an emotionally unavailable. Which

24:44

is like, it's like

24:46

tequila, pineapple, lime, agave

24:48

and muddled jalapenos. And

24:51

you know, I love a spicy pepper cocktail.

24:53

I know you do. I do as well. I always

24:55

appreciate when you send me like, look at the spicy

24:58

drink on a menu and I'm like,

25:01

yeah, that's good shit. Every time. Every

25:03

time. I love it. That

25:05

with Mezcal would probably be dope. Good thing.

25:07

Probably. I don't know. They have

25:09

pretty good tequila there. They make like a whole night of Taco Tuesdays,

25:11

even though it's a very chill bar and not a lot

25:13

of people show up. So it's usually just me and my

25:16

partner and my friend. And you just

25:18

kind of hang out

25:20

and bullshit

25:22

around. I love it. Do they know

25:24

you guys yet? Do they know everyone's like name

25:26

and order and that your regulars. It's

25:28

my friend's local bar. So they know.

25:31

Yeah. They know them. And then

25:33

like we've shown up a couple of times. So there's a

25:35

good rapport there. Good. Good. That's

25:38

what you want. You know, people like always, I'm always thrown

25:40

off by people who are like, oh, well, I have to

25:43

stop going to this bar because now the bartender knows my

25:45

name. I'm like, no, that's a good thing. That's

25:47

a good thing. The whole point. You

25:49

want that. Because then like that one time I went

25:51

out with you, Julia, you can just go in to the

25:54

bartender who knows your name and they'll just be like, what's

25:56

the vibe? And they'll make you a drink based on vibes.

25:58

Yes, that is the best kind of. experience being like, what

26:00

are you feeling today? I'm like, you

26:03

know, like, gin based and floral. They're like, I got

26:05

you. And then they make totally something off

26:07

menu. It's great. Yeah, the

26:09

Rolling Bones pregame. My most recent notable

26:11

drink was at the Misha's house where I

26:13

was lucky enough to visit them a couple

26:15

of months ago at this point here. Sounds about

26:17

right. Mm hmm.

26:20

Exactly. Where we just partner Aaron

26:22

came home after picking up,

26:24

I think, some lumber from a guy

26:26

on Facebook Marketplace and was like, oh,

26:29

and also and then holds up I

26:31

think it was like in in her

26:33

skirt or apron, just

26:35

a bunch of like, kind

26:37

of grapefruit sized lemons. And

26:39

so it was Eric's idea to do

26:42

Miller Highlife, which we are now boycotting

26:44

on account of its union busting. Okay,

26:46

they're all right. Solidary, more important

26:48

than Miller Highlife. I know, got to support

26:50

the Teamsters. But at that time, Miller Highlife

26:52

with incredibly fresh lemon juice over

26:55

ice and it was so refreshing. It was

26:57

the best. The lemons were enormous.

27:00

I like so big.

27:02

Yeah, it must be nice to live in a place where

27:04

people can just grow citrus fruit. Yeah,

27:06

it's remarkable. How about

27:08

you, Julia? I had a

27:11

absolutely wonderful cocktail this

27:13

past Sunday, where I went to

27:15

a kind of like, speak

27:18

easy, but not really speak easy

27:20

bar that's called speak medium. We

27:22

know it

27:24

was called Bricks and Rye. And it

27:27

was in like the basement of this

27:29

place in this like kind of currently

27:31

sleepy like tourist town out on the

27:33

North Fork of Long Island. I had

27:35

a cocktail there that was called the

27:38

Philonious Monk, which I ordered

27:40

pretty much solely because if you

27:42

know me, if there's a green

27:44

chartreuse cocktail on the menu, I

27:46

will get it. And it was

27:48

like a green chartreuse martini esque

27:50

cocktail. Like it was very spirit forward.

27:52

It was a stirred drink. It was served

27:54

in like a very intricate like coupe glass. It

27:56

was great. It was honestly really good. That

27:58

sounds so good. Now, Amanda, I

28:01

have an email here. This

28:03

is from Blaine and Blaine

28:06

had written in a while

28:08

back about some summer camp

28:10

nighttime noises, as you might recall.

28:13

Oh, but Blaine has sent a follow-up

28:15

email that he has titled thing that

28:17

went bump in the night. Yes, please.

28:20

Hi, spirits team. I was so excited

28:22

when you read my last submission, summer

28:24

camp nighttime noises. It really made my

28:26

day. Here is the possible follow-up story

28:28

that I alluded to in that. For

28:30

starters, I need to give an alias

28:32

to my friend, the main character of

28:35

the story. So I'll choose the name

28:37

Alex. I knew Alex through

28:39

yet another summer camp. This one was

28:41

a science camp though, which made

28:43

most conversations especially nerdy. Now,

28:46

Amanda, you went to summer camp, correct?

28:48

Famously, I did go to summer camp. Yes. You

28:50

were a theater summer camp

28:53

though, correct? It was a

28:55

very, very, Montessori arts training

28:57

camp. Hell yeah. So

28:59

kind of the opposite of a science

29:02

summer camp. Yeah, except that I did

29:04

end up doing a lot of like

29:06

engineering, which is how I got into

29:09

sound and tech theater and the

29:11

thing I do now. So incredible. Yeah, that

29:13

is fair. That's fair. It was definitely

29:16

being a nerd among like artists.

29:19

Like my best friend was a ceramicist.

29:21

A big feature of it was the

29:23

glass blowing shop. Kids were glass blowing.

29:25

It was pretty cool. That's amazing. You

29:28

know what a great skill to teach children

29:30

is how to handle hot glass. Yeah. So

29:35

Blaine continues, one evening we

29:37

were telling tales of creepy things that had

29:40

happened to us. I think I

29:42

told one about walking into a ton

29:44

of spider webs in my basement, which though

29:46

unpleasant and kind of gross to think about

29:49

is actually kind of tame considering those

29:51

spiders were just minding their business and generally

29:53

no threat to me. They were just chillin.

29:56

Yeah, they pay rent in other ways. For cobwebs.

29:58

Catching flies, for example. Exactly. My stylist

30:00

blew my mind to the other day where

30:02

she's like, you know how like, you know,

30:04

if you find a spider in your house,

30:06

you take it outside and like, you know,

30:09

set it free out there. I was like, yeah, she's like, most

30:11

of the spiders were born indoors and they

30:13

won't be able to survive out there. I

30:15

don't believe that. I don't believe that.

30:18

That sounds like a thing someone read on Facebook.

30:20

I don't know. I don't know,

30:22

probably. She had big on TikTok. There was

30:24

probably just a video she came across, but

30:26

I was like, why would she say that

30:28

to me? That's so sad. I

30:30

just don't want them living in the house with

30:33

me. Is that OK? They have instincts. They're fine.

30:35

I respect them. And if they were born in the

30:37

walls, then they can live there. It's when they come

30:39

out of the walls that I have the problem. Outside

30:41

the walls is the part I pay rent on. Unless

30:44

those spiders want to pay me spider dollars

30:46

for my rent. So

30:50

Blaine continues, other people had stories

30:52

that I really remember very well.

30:54

But then Alex dropped this bomb

30:56

on us. Alex starts explaining

30:58

that they were visiting family and had

31:00

to stay at a cousin's house. This

31:03

wasn't really a problem. They liked their cousin

31:05

well enough. But they were given a room

31:07

to stay in that was down the hall

31:09

from the bathroom. The best place,

31:11

I think, in my opinion. I want to be close enough

31:13

to the bathroom where I'm not disturbing other people

31:15

by going to the bathroom, but

31:18

also not directly next

31:20

to the bathroom so that people's flushing doesn't wake me

31:22

up. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes.

31:25

I had to think about it, but yes. Cool. Yeah,

31:27

I'm trying to recall my past

31:29

living scenarios to corroborate. But I

31:31

think you're right. One thing I know about me, I'm going

31:33

to pee in the middle of the night. So

31:35

I'm going to need to be as close to the

31:38

bathroom as possible or on the side of the bed

31:40

nearest the bathroom. Fair enough. That's why the en suite

31:42

bathroom is so nice, like in a house in general

31:44

or in a hotel room or what have you. Having

31:47

to leave my bedroom to go to a

31:49

bathroom is the one thing I don't like about my house. If

31:52

I have to put on shoes to go

31:54

pee, it's going to be tough for Amanda. It's

31:57

over for you. All right, so the

31:59

visit went. Well, during the day.

32:02

But that night, after everyone had

32:04

fallen asleep, they awoke. Pushing

32:06

aside the mental cobwebs of waking up in

32:09

a strange room and realizing that they didn't

32:11

leave any kind of nightlight on, Alex realized

32:13

that they needed to use the restroom and

32:15

sat up. As soon as they did, they

32:17

saw some movement somewhere off to their right,

32:20

but they just shook it off as being

32:22

in a different space. They

32:24

then sent for the door. As

32:27

they reached the door, just before their hand

32:29

would have grabbed the knob, they heard a

32:31

loud thump. The thump

32:33

sounded like it came from the other side

32:35

of the door. It

32:37

made Alex jump back a bit. It

32:40

startled. Now, Alex decided their mind

32:42

was playing tricks on them, and so they

32:44

tried again. Only this time,

32:46

they did not jump back. This

32:48

time, be it a murderer

32:50

or more likely a prankster cousin, they

32:52

were determined to face it down. Bold.

32:55

Brave. So yeah, good

32:57

luck. Only the

33:00

doorknob didn't seem to be there at all.

33:02

What? Nowhere to go. Now,

33:05

fairly freaked out, Alex turned to

33:07

jump back into bed. In

33:10

doing so, they saw for sure

33:12

something move to their right, but

33:14

they couldn't figure out. Giant

33:16

doorknob, giant doorknob, giant doorknob.

33:19

Oh no. Oh no. Yeah,

33:22

Amanda, that's it. Giant doorknob. You got it.

33:25

You spoiled the story. I'm just going to

33:27

stop here now. No, I'm kidding. Ugh.

33:31

I'm so stressed. I don't know why you're laughing. It's

33:33

very logical. Exactly right. I'm so sorry.

33:36

I'm not making fun of you. Amanda,

33:42

I'm laughing at the absurdity because I can't get

33:44

to the mental place where that's the obvious answer,

33:46

but that's my problem, not yours. Listen, you're so

33:48

right, and I just need to get on the

33:51

level. Misha, my thing is I'm just

33:53

like I am thinking four steps ahead of

33:56

everything, and so that's where I'm coming from. Absolutely,

33:58

and that's why you'll be the most prepared for sure. Thank

34:01

you. Something moved to their right,

34:03

they couldn't figure out what it was. Reaching

34:05

the bed, they rolled across it with

34:07

the intention of grabbing all of the

34:09

blankets and hiding. As

34:12

they did that, a loud bang erupted

34:14

from the wall near them. At that,

34:16

Alex said that they almost lost any

34:18

need to use the bathroom, but fortunately

34:21

for them, they held on as the

34:23

cause of their terror was about to

34:26

make itself known. Giant doorknob.

34:28

I do not. Just saying. As

34:31

their terror was nearly overwhelming them, their

34:33

right arm began to feel some of

34:35

the worst pins and needles they had

34:38

ever felt. They had apparently slept on

34:40

top of their arm in such a

34:42

way that they not only lost all

34:44

feeling, but also any sense as to

34:46

where it was regarding the rest of

34:48

their body. It

34:50

had only been their arms swinging

34:52

wildly but without sensation that had

34:54

caused them all of this trouble. Oh

34:58

my gosh. Ghost arm.

35:00

That's scary. You know what? Like yeah,

35:02

ghost arm first off, the fact that they couldn't

35:04

even feel the doorknob because they couldn't

35:06

like really like feel anything with

35:08

their hands. Yeah. It's swinging

35:10

around wildly as they like go

35:12

through the room. That's fascinating. I love it.

35:15

Man, I like ghost doorknob better. I'll be

35:17

honest with you. Thank you. I'll

35:19

accept ghost arm. That sounds like a buddy comedy we can

35:21

all get behind. I think one of them

35:23

is like a private investigator and the other one

35:25

sells houses. And at

35:28

home they're raising their half-armed

35:30

half-doorknob son. Yes, of course,

35:32

naturally. Blaine continues, I hope

35:34

I was able to tell the story. Justice,

35:36

thanks again Spirit's team for being awesome. Now

35:39

I don't have any more stories to tease,

35:41

but I do have this. Have any more listeners

35:43

out there had a man with

35:46

a hat and a dog dream? I didn't

35:48

think I had much for that one until

35:50

I realized that I once had a recurring

35:52

dream that I was a man with a

35:55

hat and a dog. Oh, you

35:57

were the man with the hat and the dog. The

35:59

dream The game itself isn't that notable.

36:02

I would just find myself standing

36:04

places waiting for something important that

36:06

was supposed to happen but never

36:08

did. The only other thing of

36:10

note was that at the time I was only

36:12

a boy who didn't usually wear a hat and

36:14

didn't own a dog yet. So

36:16

I'm curious to see if anyone's

36:18

description of where they encountered the

36:21

man lines up with dreams that

36:23

I dreamt about. Anyway,

36:25

that's probably it for now until something

36:27

really creepy happens to me. Stay creepy,

36:29

stay cool, Blaine. I love

36:32

the idea of having

36:35

a dream where you are inhabiting

36:37

a dream archetype in other people's

36:39

dreams. That's great. Yeah.

36:42

Blaine is building out the lore. The lore! We haven't talked

36:44

about the man with the hat and the dog in a

36:46

while now. So if

36:48

anyone has had a recent experience, let

36:50

us know. Maybe we... I

36:52

feel like I'm doing matchmaking but it's for horrifying dreams.

36:54

That's very cool. Is that good? Disconnection.

36:58

Yeah. It's a misconnection

37:00

but it's like you, a scary

37:02

man with a hat and a dog standing

37:04

in the corner of my dream, me,

37:06

someone who is dreaming about a weird

37:09

house one time. But listen,

37:12

then it's not sinister because the thing about it,

37:14

the man with the hat and the dog wasn't

37:16

doing anything sinister. He was just sinisterly appearing

37:18

in many places. And so maybe

37:21

the common thread is that we're all conspirators and

37:24

then that's fine. I did just realize

37:26

that I'm pretty sure this is the plot of the

37:28

new Nicolas Cage movie dream scenario. No,

37:30

don't tell me that. No,

37:33

I'm not saying the listener out there ate

37:35

that. I'm saying we ate that. Here, you

37:37

us. Here. This email came

37:39

in a while ago, back in

37:42

November. So hopefully that wasn't the

37:44

case. Julia, if you

37:46

were predestining Nick Cage's

37:48

Hollywood career, I think there

37:50

is zero chance you can monetize it but I'm 100% here for

37:52

it. Like, what

37:54

if I can start writing Nick Cage movies

37:56

before they come out? Julia, I gotta

37:59

say before Nick Cage... cage picks them out, no

38:01

one's gonna want them. That's

38:03

true. If you have the supernatural

38:05

power to write that kind of movie before

38:07

it happens, no one's gonna

38:09

get it because it only makes sense

38:11

when he's there. That's true. Now,

38:14

Amisha, before the refill, I teased

38:16

a junk drawer household, you know,

38:18

implement craft related urban legend. And

38:20

this came to mind for me

38:23

when thinking about your episode because

38:25

you have a very crafted and

38:27

wonderful and lived in and customized

38:29

home. And you're a very crafty

38:31

household, yeah? Oh, I

38:33

thank you. Yeah, well, I would

38:35

say that's mostly due to my partner,

38:38

Erin, who is perhaps the craftiest

38:40

person I've ever known. Very much

38:43

so. You two are crafty and I also

38:46

know that you appreciate like a perfectly

38:49

tailored, a perfectly done for you, like

38:51

a garment or bag where you're like,

38:53

oh, that's exactly what I need. And

38:56

presto, it's exactly the size and shape I need. Oh,

38:59

that's so true. And so generous, Amanda, to

39:01

like, what a kind way to talk about

39:03

the day where we hung out where I

39:05

dragged you around for the entire day to

39:07

several places to find a backpack I would

39:09

enjoy and didn't find one. And then we

39:11

went home and nothing happened. It

39:14

was still a lot of fun. Good. I'm so glad you

39:16

had a good time. Sometimes it's the journey

39:18

and not the destination, you know? Epilogue,

39:20

I later found the backpack. Yay. Great. I

39:23

love it. All is well. And

39:25

this is also some follow up

39:27

from Kyle titled, Your Haunted Sewing

39:29

Machine Theories Confirmed. Oh,

39:32

yes. So Kyle Heehan writes, Hello,

39:34

conspirators. About a year and a half ago, I

39:36

wrote in about the haunted house I grew up

39:39

in as a kid. At the

39:41

end of that email, I mentioned there was a

39:43

haunted sewing machine in my family and that sparked

39:45

some debate on the show. Now,

39:48

did the ghosts in the sewing machine know the ghosts

39:50

in the rest of the house? Were they hanging out?

39:52

Was there a CBS sitcom? It's an excellent question, Misha.

39:54

We're getting into it here. So I thought

39:57

it was about time to tell you exactly what

39:59

happened with that sewing machine. and yes, we still

40:01

have it. Good, good, good, good, good,

40:03

good. You're not going to give away

40:05

the haunted sewing machine. We're not going to give the haunting

40:07

to somebody else. That's rude. Guess what garage

40:09

sales are for. Rude. Rude.

40:11

Well, that's capitalism. We're all

40:14

being haunted by capitalism. Yeah,

40:17

that's like, it hardly bears, you know, mentioning.

40:19

It's almost like a fish swimming in water,

40:21

like, you know, how does a fish describe it, you know?

40:23

You don't give away the ghost. You have to sell the

40:25

ghost. That's how it goes. We all have

40:27

to make rent. We get it. So when

40:29

I was 10, we moved out of the haunted

40:31

house and onto a beautiful farm with my stepdad,

40:33

Todd. Cool. I thought Todd is

40:35

such a wholesome stepdad name. Chad Todd. Chad

40:38

to stepdad's. Better, good. Yeah. Well,

40:40

he lived in a small house on his parents'

40:42

property, so I also got to live next to

40:44

his parents, who quickly became a very special pair

40:47

of grandparents to me. It

40:49

was a tough mood for other reasons, but one that worked out

40:51

for the best. And it seemed

40:53

that Todd's house wasn't much less haunted than

40:55

our old one. Mm-mm. No good. We

40:58

heard footsteps around corners that nobody was behind,

41:01

felt eyes watching us in the

41:03

horrible basement. Again, with those backless

41:05

stairs, what is happening? Why? Oh,

41:08

man, I'm so sorry to trigger you in that

41:10

way. Dude. Misha,

41:12

do you have any experience with backless stairs in the

41:14

basement? Yeah, because I had cousins who

41:16

like to bully me. So, of course, they really

41:18

tried to grab me as I was going downstairs.

41:21

Me, a fragile person with a tissue disorder that

41:23

probably should not be messed with on any sort

41:26

of climbing mechanic. Yeah. Yeah. Bummer.

41:29

Those stairs should be illegal. Great. Yeah.

41:32

You know, that's what I always say. And a

41:34

general sense of uneasiness in the laundry room,

41:37

where it turns out Todd's ankle died three

41:40

years before Todd took over the house. Doing

41:42

the laundry? Oh, sad. Hate

41:46

when an uneasy feeling has roots in

41:48

historical events. Yeah. It's always

41:50

like, damn it. But there was

41:52

never a sighting or anything as serious as the old

41:54

house we had left behind. But this

41:56

story, though, is about the sewing machine. To

41:58

set the scene, you'll need to know my mom... was very close

42:00

to her grandmother, Evelyn, who had died a few

42:02

years before I was born. I

42:05

always felt a very special connection to Evelyn,

42:07

who was a dressmaker, and I always designed

42:09

dresses as a kid. I even designed

42:11

my mom's wedding dress when she married Todd

42:13

later that year. Kyle, that's so cute. Oh

42:15

my god. Kyle, that's so cute. Kyle, that's

42:17

so sweet. Kyle, I could cry right now.

42:19

I know. Kyle, mom, Todd, Evelyn. And

42:23

so I always felt a very special connection to

42:25

my great grandmother, Evelyn, like she was my guardian

42:27

angel or something like that. So

42:29

my mom used the sewing machine that

42:32

belonged to Evelyn all the time, and

42:34

sometimes used it to make me Halloween

42:36

costumes or costumes for the place that I was in. I'm

42:38

sure Evelyn loved that. Right? How

42:40

sweet. Yeah. One particular day, my

42:43

mom had left a costume in the machine

42:45

to continue sewing after dinner. As

42:47

she and Todd sat and ate

42:49

their dinner, the sewing machine started

42:51

sewing on its own.

42:53

Okay, so hold on. Let's assume

42:56

Kyle around the same age as us.

42:58

This is the great grandmother sewing machine.

43:01

Yes. That means it was

43:03

probably like a, instead

43:05

of being like an electric sewing machine, one of

43:07

those pedal ones that requires you to pedal it

43:09

in order to move the needle. Yeah, one that's

43:11

like built into a desk or something. I don't

43:13

want to know but you, Julia, but the

43:15

great Evelyn could have been like variant

43:18

sewing machine technology and have like upgraded

43:20

it in, you know, the early 90s.

43:22

And you heard there's a brand new

43:24

thing. It's called an electric sewing machine.

43:26

Right? Assuming though,

43:29

that it might have been one of those

43:31

older ones wouldn't just go on its own.

43:33

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

43:35

I don't want to date Evelyn, but no,

43:37

I actually think that makes it more

43:40

likely to go on its own because if it's got a pedal

43:42

that a cat can sit on or a pet, that's

43:45

true, then it could go off in the

43:47

night because my cats have been known to sit on anything

43:49

they please. That's very true. And I mean, I

43:52

would say that yeah, the lack of a

43:54

like physical thing that you can see moving

43:56

would freak me out more to see the

43:58

electric sewing machine going. And also,

44:00

if it is old-fashioned of all

44:02

any kind, like big ups to

44:05

Kyle's mom for sewing in modern

44:07

fabric with the manual sewing machine. But

44:10

in any case, the sewing machine made

44:12

a perfect stitch down the seam to

44:14

add to my beautiful costume. I

44:17

always guessed that it was Evelyn saying hello and

44:19

strengthening a connection that I felt since the day

44:21

I was born. I still have that costume, by

44:23

the way, and no stitches have ever come loose

44:26

even 20 years after it was made. So

44:29

to me, a sweet reminder that those you

44:31

love are never really gone. They live on

44:33

through those who come after, and maybe, just

44:35

maybe, they let you know that they're still

44:37

right there beside you. Stay creepy and cool,

44:39

Kyle. Oh, through a now-blessed costume and a

44:41

haunted sewing machine. That makes sense, that

44:43

checks out. And a great reminder that

44:45

hauntings don't always have to be bad. No, hauntings

44:48

can be nice. Sometimes, it's

44:50

just like memories can either be bad or pleasant.

44:53

Hauntings can be bad or pleasant. What

44:56

are ghosts if not just memories? I mean

44:58

this in the most unironic way. So true,

45:01

Bestie. So I wanted to leave us

45:03

off on that sweet note. Misha, thank you

45:05

so much again for joining us on this

45:07

Hometown Urban Legends episode. Can you remind folks

45:09

where they can find you and

45:11

your brand new podcast, The Wandering Path, online? Oh my

45:13

gosh, thank you so much, yeah. Thank you for having me.

45:15

It's always a blast coming on. Thank you so much, guys.

45:18

It's always a pleasure. You can find me and my

45:21

goings on whatever social

45:23

media I happen to be on, which is

45:25

very few these days, but wherever I am,

45:27

you can find me at Misha, et cetera,

45:29

M-I-S-C-H-A-E-T-C. You can find me at

45:32

my website, mishastanton.com, and

45:34

look out for The Wandering Path, coming

45:37

very soon, wanderingpathpod.com, or wherever

45:40

you get your podcasts. Ooh,

45:43

you can find a link to that

45:45

in the show notes as always, and

45:47

I'm sure that hopefully this

45:49

episode is out by the time that you guys premiere,

45:52

and I'm so excited for everyone to hear it.

45:54

It's gonna be amazing. I, you

45:56

know, it's something really special.

45:59

I'm really excited about it. it. Yeah. We're

46:01

so proud of you and so

46:03

happy you're here and folks next

46:05

time that you look over during

46:07

dinner and see your dearly departed

46:09

great-grandmother finishing your chores remember stay

46:11

creepy. Stay cool. you