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Hi friends, it's Tammy. In

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honor of this being the week of Earth

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I wish we collectively honored the Earth

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every day and every

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95 years old, in conversation

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Just around here we are

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The Great Turning is a

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the spiritual roots of the

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climate crisis and how to

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2:15

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Again, that's we are the great.

2:47

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2:50

are. The Great Turning. That's

2:52

the choice we have the

2:54

opportunity to make. Take

2:56

a listen. I'll

3:03

write I'm recorders are on the first time

3:05

with. Footwork

3:08

com to. Do right now. I guess

3:10

it's. Just

3:12

a bad situation is. Of

3:15

extreme alarm and

3:17

ignorance. When

3:20

a situation that you many

3:22

never been done before, you

3:25

know the viewers. For

3:27

a. Huge

3:29

migrations, Moses

3:32

concerns as we

3:35

find answers. And

3:38

this is not something we

3:40

know How it even began

3:43

to say about. You're

3:47

listening to We are the Great

3:50

Turning This. Podcast as a series

3:52

of conversations. Between mean just

3:54

around tastes. And my ninety

3:56

five year old friend Joanna me

3:58

see about this. The moment in

4:01

history reliving thrill or as Joanna

4:03

sets. Standing. A

4:05

fresh. This. What's

4:08

it like to live on earth

4:10

at this moment? And.

4:12

I want to be upfront about

4:15

something. This podcast is about loving

4:17

a world engulfed in crisis and

4:19

separation is about reclaiming a sense

4:22

of possibility and are interconnection with

4:24

one another and the earth. But

4:26

this is not a podcast about

4:28

hope. Not exactly.

4:32

And these episodes I want to

4:34

invite you into a deep sense

4:36

of your belonging and love for

4:38

our world, into connection with the

4:40

great possibilities that still exist for

4:42

us even in these precarious times,

4:44

and into action. This is what

4:47

Joanna has done for. Me: As

4:50

you listen to the series, I hope

4:52

that you'll slow down and imagine yourself

4:54

sitting at Joanne as dining room table

4:56

with us drinking tea and talking. Because

5:00

as we have these conversations, we were

5:02

imagining you there with his. Does.

5:04

Your ear to ear facing just

5:07

swap where a sin. So.

5:09

Even though I can't. See his face, And.

5:13

Say moved to think of how

5:15

much we am and common am

5:17

in never. Carrier name. I

5:21

see essays. And she

5:23

sent me some wheelbase cm the planet What

5:25

is meant. As. This time.

5:29

So. I'm glad you're here and

5:31

I hope you'll stick around. In this

5:34

series will be talking about many of

5:36

the hardest feelings that emerged for us

5:38

as we look into the sea of

5:40

the climate crisis. will also be sharing

5:42

ideas and practices that can help make

5:44

these times more bearable. It's

5:47

important to note, though, that there are

5:49

times when seeking professional help as essential,

5:51

even life saving. Souls.

5:53

You're dealing with emotional pain That's

5:56

too much, whether it's solely climate

5:58

related or not. I hope your

6:00

pick: Mental health Support. You.

6:02

Can go to our shows website we

6:04

are the great turning.com for some resources

6:06

that may help. In.

6:10

The first episode. Love. And

6:13

loss and what someone living in the

6:15

last chapter of their life can teach

6:17

us about facing the climate crisis. I

6:21

want a breach. Take all

6:23

of that live wire of

6:25

reality. It's a lot of be

6:27

here I want to be if I

6:30

I can avoid. Climate Change and

6:32

I want a beer with

6:34

all my and ten cents.

6:37

With all my trust

6:40

in life. That

6:42

Juliana. She's a

6:44

scholar of Buddhism and systems thinking, and

6:46

she's known around the world as a

6:48

beloved voice in peace, justice, and ecology

6:50

movements. The Dalai Lama is a big

6:53

fan of hers, and so was Tic,

6:55

Nasa, and. Her. Ideas

6:57

and teachings have been adopted by

6:59

scholars and organizers and movements around

7:01

the world from The Global Climate

7:03

Movement. To the use, the resistance

7:05

and my and Mar to the Iranian Women's

7:08

movement. Anywhere that people

7:10

are seeking a kind of spiritual strength

7:12

as they struggle together for justice, it's

7:14

possible that you'll find. Johannes work.

7:18

And me. I'm just. Back

7:21

in the spring of Twenty Four Keen I

7:23

was twenty five years old and having a

7:25

kind of existential crisis. At. That

7:27

point I'd been all in as a climate

7:29

and environmental. Organizer for seven

7:31

years. I was heartbroken.

7:34

And how bad the state of the

7:36

climate crisis had grown and frustrated a

7:38

helped little difference my action seem to

7:40

meet. At. The time I

7:42

was working on a campaign targeting snack

7:44

food companies about the palm oil in

7:46

their supply chains and I remember saying

7:48

to a friend at a bar one

7:50

night, can my life really be about

7:52

a better Pepsi Co. So.

7:55

I took a leave of absence from my

7:57

organizing job and around that time I met

7:59

Julian. And my life.

8:01

Changed forever. We

8:05

met when a taste her down in a hallway at

8:07

a conference in Berkeley. That

8:09

summer season lead to me attending or treat that

8:11

she was leading that. Somewhere in the Redwoods

8:14

in Northern California. And

8:16

that retreat. Was a deep dive into a practice

8:18

that to lana is the. Root Teacher

8:20

the originator of is called

8:22

the work that reconnect. To.

8:28

Win A now lives in Berkeley

8:31

California and she's lived of really

8:33

extraordinary life. She. Grew up

8:35

in New York City in. The. thirties. Began.

8:37

Studying to button Buddhism while living in

8:39

India in the sixties with her husband

8:41

Fran who worked for the Peace Corps

8:43

and in the seventies. She became

8:45

an anti nuclear activist. When

8:48

she was married mom of three in her early. fifties.

8:51

She went back to school to get a phd

8:53

is that in Buddhism and Systems theory? Was

8:55

then the she faced an existential crisis

8:57

kind of like mind. Almost

9:00

fifty years ago, a moment

9:02

that was from a almost

9:05

can access like a career

9:07

as a day long symposium

9:09

of see. Cousteau

9:11

Society that Zoc

9:14

Castello course. The

9:16

scientist and adventurer best known. For

9:18

exploring and protecting the oceans. It

9:21

up the held a full

9:23

day on three floors of

9:25

her great Silas see him

9:27

in Boston on the environmental

9:29

problems as say last not

9:32

to see oceans. as

9:34

Cousteau's connected with by that

9:37

was the oil spills, lead

9:39

acid rain, the boys same

9:41

the lakes that was factory

9:44

farming know it was just

9:46

a whole. Chambre

9:49

we have all these

9:51

issues. Ah, this seems

9:53

to be growing as

9:55

that side of sauce

9:57

on. The human body. I

10:00

have another species to. Santa.

10:07

Ana two years ago. So.

10:16

Nineteen Seventy Seven was eleven years

10:18

before the Un would officially acknowledge

10:20

the existence of anthropogenic climate change,

10:23

and fifteen years before the first

10:25

Un Climate Conference in Rio. But

10:27

to Lana suddenly and clearly understood

10:29

that something was a very wrong

10:32

and humanities really Since. Have to Earth.

10:34

There. Was no aspects of

10:37

the natural. World that

10:39

seemed ah free of say

10:41

under cars. And.

10:44

And losing his capacity

10:46

even for vitality. We

10:48

were destroying our world.

10:50

We are destroying our

10:52

world with every aspect

10:54

of the powers that

10:56

we've had cruz and

10:58

corporate capital and they

11:00

brought a tremendous. Internal

11:03

avalanche of Greece to is

11:05

so. A rest

11:07

day. To me it it was self

11:09

sushi realization that I couldn't speak. At

11:13

first she bottled up these feelings and

11:15

kept them to herself. And

11:17

his silence to me. Said.

11:21

Silas Me for fifteen

11:23

months. I couldn't

11:26

speak to this to my

11:28

friends, my family. I am

11:30

his men. Cielo

11:35

academics in the As

11:37

department. I couldn't

11:39

bear been shared up beats as

11:41

it was as the assault on

11:43

my psyche. Was. That.

11:47

We were destroying our worth.

11:50

I ask Juliana why being teared up with

11:52

so. Unbearable to her. Essay:

11:55

Understood mates even a tiny bit.

11:57

They know this. This was that

11:59

share. The problem. Is

12:02

sort of like telling him is somebody

12:04

whose father will face the firing line

12:07

the next morning. And

12:10

new say? Well you know gotta

12:12

look on the bright side. Quests

12:16

The bright side. Is

12:18

he try to cheer me up? That means you

12:20

didn't get it. As

12:22

only makes it worse. As

12:24

only makes you feel more isolated.

12:29

This was a big deal for me to hear her

12:31

say this. Over my

12:33

years of climate activism I have

12:36

at times salt. Desperate.

12:38

To be cheered up. I've. Also

12:40

tried to pull my loved ones out of

12:42

their pain. From time to time. But.

12:45

When coming, understand now is that

12:48

tearing each other up is just

12:50

another way of feeding. Denial And

12:52

denial only makes. Our circumstances worse.

12:55

Because. You know that

12:58

if you really sense was

13:00

happening and you can't hear

13:02

it some anybody else. Except

13:05

yourself and makes you crazy.

13:09

And there's. No.

13:12

Loneliness Us the. Unheard

13:16

witness. As

13:19

was falling are plasma. He

13:23

isn't holding it back. Because

13:25

you don't want others to

13:27

know how bad is is.

13:30

He's. A want others to know how. Grazes

13:34

the crease. I.

13:38

Did my family don't know how

13:40

much pain I was sent? I

13:43

didn't want them to roll my own suffering.

13:48

Because it was enough to drive

13:50

you mad to think since we

13:52

were heading. Of

13:54

his brain teasers species. To

13:59

bring this. Sense of

14:01

anguish and isolation to

14:03

my beloved. It. But.

14:08

Underneath to in a new that hiding her pain

14:10

away did her no good. She

14:13

knew that she and other people who

14:15

are feeling the same way needed a

14:17

way to be with the full truth

14:20

of what's happening to the planet together

14:22

so that we could be listen to

14:24

and understood as opposed to carrying it

14:26

silently and alone. Has

14:29

made people understand it

14:31

was suppressed greatest. Joy

14:34

and the World. That

14:36

means Cent and Brains.

14:38

A mutual. Gratitude

14:41

and respect. To.

14:44

Signed up on my side you

14:47

been. Homeless for years nurse

14:49

and suddenly you find. A

14:52

home. And will fall for your as.

14:55

She. Drew under study of Buddhism and

14:57

began offering Rising and Group Workshop that

15:00

allowed her and her participants to say

15:02

or how they were feeling. And.

15:04

It snowballed from their. From.

15:06

The Cold War to the Chernobyl

15:09

Disaster to the emerging climate crisis

15:11

that Urgency of the World intersected

15:13

with To Win as person to

15:16

her academic work, global activism and

15:18

collaboration with her friends and husband

15:20

Sand. And. The results. Despair

15:23

and Empowerment Work or what is

15:25

now known as The Work. That

15:28

reconnect. The. Work

15:30

that Reconnects is one of the

15:32

most powerful practices that I know,

15:34

as it's also incredibly hard to

15:37

describe, partly because it's so experience

15:39

or. Will. Get into all of

15:41

this more in future episodes. And. You

15:43

can practice the work that reconnect yourself

15:45

by listening with friends and checking out.

15:47

Our online tool kit or tell you more

15:49

about these resources at the end of the

15:51

episode. For

15:57

me when I first experienced this. Get

16:00

that retreat and twenty

16:02

four keen eye team

16:04

allies like. Dorothy and Eyes

16:07

It All went from black and

16:09

white to Technicolor. It's

16:11

all there now. Greece and

16:14

fear, yes, but also

16:16

beauty And ah, And

16:19

purpose. When

16:22

do? When I first started talking

16:24

about that, that wasn't much of

16:26

a public climate conversation. that now

16:28

almost a half a century later,

16:31

climate disasters are regular front page

16:33

news and climate anxiety is an

16:35

epidemic. My.

16:39

Relationship with Joanna has given me

16:41

an understanding of how to go

16:43

on even a mid teens and

16:45

loss. And. This is what I

16:47

hope these conversations will give to you. You

16:51

think you'll combat as a crow? I'd love

16:53

to. I would lay offs S S

16:56

S and ah this is some one

16:58

of the last conversation that we had

17:00

in the series and it's pretty emotional

17:02

because to enter and I are confronting

17:05

the fact that we don't know how

17:07

much time we have left to spend

17:09

together. I like

17:11

thinking with you and I know that it's not

17:13

over, but it's like. In order for us to

17:15

move the project towards completion, I have to

17:18

go do some thinking on my own and

17:20

go through the material. And

17:22

then come back because

17:24

you are creating material

17:26

that well be. A

17:29

lot of people to home of. As.

17:31

Introduce, I'll be gone.

17:39

In there are no it's. Totally

17:41

honest like was as hi

17:44

I'm just. Sent

17:46

sent an oil. I saw

17:48

it and they are looking

17:50

at this. I am facing

17:52

mind columnists to com. I'm

18:00

used to being me I

18:02

know I like being me

18:05

and that paying me was

18:07

his his disappear under my

18:09

see in i was this

18:11

year. And

18:17

a lot of the last. What

18:20

the words! I. Don't want to say them

18:23

that I get what would be last is my

18:25

last. My

18:29

last a O L C L five and

18:31

something that I have two. Years.

18:36

That how can that be given as

18:38

I'm not. Here. Well.

18:43

I will be here is what were Macys.

18:50

And. What area? You

18:54

have with incredible courage. Stepped

18:58

in to say i I have

19:00

this to be there. When you

19:02

find. This

19:11

thing for thing it is, I didn't have

19:13

the guts as a citizen. Yeah.

19:19

This and worth of incredible airing.

19:23

I love, I just saw

19:25

love the Earth spots here

19:28

in two years trying. To

19:31

look right into. My

19:35

mortality, our martell and eight and

19:37

mortality up This comment. And

19:41

say. The.

19:51

Work here. The next phase is

19:53

that in some ways it feels

19:55

like. Moving.

20:03

And a weird way it feels like

20:05

moving closer to losing you. Yes, As

20:08

well I was just spend say that

20:10

you have. To and

20:13

have the nerve. And

20:15

thus devotion to realize

20:18

Sam and Do are

20:20

worth to. Prepare.

20:22

This is like that

20:25

parents. My shroud. He

20:27

are preparing for something.

20:29

That will be my guest

20:31

when I'm find. And

20:33

your chest. But

20:38

you know, less aware enough.

20:41

ah, emptiness times and he

20:43

will look to play. Sit

20:45

on the couch and I'm.

20:48

Not here. Ill know he.

20:51

Is. Then noise made law

20:53

and already. Even

20:56

with main with me gone. Assess

21:01

Assess. Yeah and so

21:03

it's and asked us loss. For

21:08

me. And

21:11

for ah, Those

21:14

whom I've laughed and a love me. He.

21:17

Had doing that. And

21:20

if you didn't try. It

21:23

wouldn't be worth. It

21:25

it. Wouldn't be any good for doing this. Job.

21:34

As Joanna talked about what it means for

21:37

us to be making this podcast in the

21:39

sleep state of her life, it reminded me

21:41

of what she's been teaching me for years

21:43

about the daunting task of addressing the climate

21:45

crisis. And so

21:48

at some access laws and as

21:50

he didn't try it wouldn't be

21:52

worth it. It wouldn't be any

21:54

good for doing this job. To

21:59

Love. The world. Well, in this time

22:02

of great need, we need our

22:04

pain. To enter

22:06

often says that love and pain. Or two

22:08

sides of the same coin we can't

22:10

have. One without the other. We.

22:13

Feel so much pain as is. Look

22:15

at what's happening to our world because

22:18

of how much we love it so

22:20

on we allow our hearts to break.

22:23

Them we allow ourselves to. Release feel

22:25

our outrage Fear Greece when

22:27

as in rushing to be

22:29

cheered up or distracted with

22:31

him love our world with

22:33

more generosity because putting our

22:35

heartbreak and hatching I love

22:37

or the same. Says

22:41

this conversation is surrounded

22:43

by loss. Loss

22:46

of our. Of

22:48

each other. And

22:52

loss off. The

22:55

way leave list on this planet. And

23:02

is some websites again after days of

23:04

i won't. I

23:06

suppose. Yeah, and I feel old.

23:11

Only joy at you avoiding

23:13

any. I

23:18

come across as years to come.

23:20

For now I see now I do feel

23:23

sadder. Disagree, sir

23:25

me. Was. That.

23:31

I will be there with. Now

23:34

when this really

23:36

awful. I

23:39

breeze know sigh of relief to I'll be

23:41

glad. When

23:44

comes up from a so. Strong now

23:46

as show. where is it

23:49

was so for me insists.

23:53

Heart breaking open with

23:55

lasts for. What

23:58

we're doing. And

24:01

many others who are

24:03

preparing themselves. And the rest of us.

24:07

To carry forward as showman

24:09

some this planet when it

24:11

becomes so I'm friendly to

24:13

our life forms to our

24:16

facility. The

24:18

be colder winters and either

24:20

summers stance this kind of

24:22

body. I

24:25

can handle oil. And.

24:30

Know I just occurs to me that

24:33

we are feeling so guilty. Towards the

24:35

future ones. Ah,

24:39

We must also realize.

24:42

That what we're doing at so

24:44

much that were doing and sell

24:46

their sense that we are putting

24:48

ourselves in the heart, minds and

24:50

bodies of those who are living.

24:52

Ah towards the end of this

24:55

very sensory. What things will

24:57

be right near. A

24:59

years so now I'm. Blessings.

25:02

Of a life and eight years.

25:08

In. Are hyper individualists Society It

25:10

can be easy. To experience,

25:12

I've heard Joanna referred

25:14

to as a cultural

25:16

amnesia. We forget how

25:18

incredibly interconnected we are

25:20

with. Each other with our planet,

25:23

with the long line of ancestors

25:25

who we come from and with

25:27

the future ones. And

25:29

that's why Joanna calls for

25:31

compassion. Cheese is the Sanskrit

25:33

word karuna. Let's

25:36

here is for far: Tyrone

25:38

us. As

25:40

here at said the amount moral

25:43

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