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what kind of level called the says

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what do you think

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the cold feet or kids fall didn't you i mean isa

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what do you think out of the three called categories

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watch your back or

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get fuck out

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the called a jared let out the vote with

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essential oil the cold occur privately

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there we go are at

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let's see the and thanks for listening leave after

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the new cult next week but in the meantime

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say culti not to go

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sounds like a cult osho about the

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modern-day course, we all follow, i'm

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isa medina and i'm a comedian around

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the montel author of the book coltish the language

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of fanaticism every week here

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on our show we discuss a different group or

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guru that puts the cult in culture from

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disney adults to elon musk to and

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answer the big question this,

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this sounds like a cult but

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really the joint are called

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this episode is our

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very first installment of cold

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girls summer these are

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by weeks of bonus episodes

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were were staring off the cuff caught converse

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to in a is footage from the cutting room floor

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at much requested part to and

2:35

more okay so the title of

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this episode is admittedly

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a little bitty to do slaty click

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bait ah amanda's

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, of a queen

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is a green eyes the right where the internet's

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you can't begrudge me it was like come

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after i know that really like

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we wanted to do this photo episode for

2:57

our most zealous causes

2:59

for our loyalists listeners it's really

3:01

more of a behind the scenes behind the

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colts bonus episode in the middle

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of this midseason break we just realized

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that our listeners who have assembled

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a bit of a cult of their own as

3:12

passionate podcast listeners and the of the

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don't really know much about us as humans

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or how the show came together yes the we ask

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our most loyal listeners are

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most loyal cookies on patriarch

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an instagram to hit us with some

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questions and we compiled a list of the most

3:27

frequently asked one to give you a little

3:30

peek behind our culti curtain

3:32

and who we even are

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victor , yeah mine

3:38

i thought i was really funny when you told me that one of the

3:40

most ask questions with how do you guys even

3:42

know each other other did you meet

3:44

with your relationship outside of being cohosts

3:47

aren't because it's actually really funny story famously

3:49

famous among our friends among

3:51

not iowa yeah i'm just like of course everyone

3:54

listening notice how we

3:57

met through a mutual friend who through met

4:00

volunteering at a crisis line for

4:02

queer use yeah i went to college

4:04

with the guy who volunteered for she didn't

4:06

want the and i do other diverse

4:09

, have a good person i

4:11

met amanda at like at pregame the

4:14

first time we met say with the freedom for you

4:16

but i ended up saying at that party really laden

4:19

the way things slip up a specific the

4:21

right i was there to pregame

4:24

i don't think i ended up ultimately going out

4:27

but glass of but we stayed

4:29

a while and like we chatted and like we

4:31

via we vibes like we really did

4:33

vibe and i remember texting tom

4:35

our mutual friend later and being like

4:38

who with acrylic she was so cool like

4:40

her in her boyfriend gave off really chill vibe and

4:42

he was like oh it's like amanda and casey deadline

4:44

on like all i want to be their friend i know

4:47

i know we said the same thing were like that

4:49

, yeah just

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um yes my boyfriend that we have

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mentioned by the way is way composer

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of our theme music yeah

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you wanna they had hoover listeners hi

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this , really good composer otherwise

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for like tv and film yes talented

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composer if you're you're

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, ah

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but yet we met at that pregame and then i think

5:17

our actual like hard bonding moment was

5:20

when we were at the

5:22

birthday party we're as we're went to tamper

5:24

birthday party had like had fancy dinner at his

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house floor at his artists

5:28

last we me and contact with

5:30

he's a sculptor yeah you lived

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in this it it warehouse

5:35

very bohemian very eclectic he

5:37

said of what with very much a mid

5:39

some are ask feast

5:42

the i would like the longest dinner table

5:44

i've ever seen aims and it's

5:46

like a testament to harm

5:49

how like he planned ahead of time and he went

5:51

grocery shopping his whenever i try to get

5:53

like a last minute dinner party together i

5:55

text like five or six you don't like

5:58

hey like i'm gonna cook for people and people

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i find a way that

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, why you are an eon s p

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and not any enough jamie out like mean oh

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my god called of myers briggs c

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n briggs c why we make a go

6:12

it came from

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in cook them over to

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say the same thing which

6:19

about a week barbecue

6:21

, other day okay unfortunately we do

6:23

keep conversing in regular pedestrian

6:26

life as if are recording an episode of

6:28

the the

6:30

or poker other view of the i

6:33

haven't won yet we do and the first time

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that happened was when we were at that dinner party

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and we made up of song is

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it was called in the bathroom yeah based

6:42

off bathroom yeah amanda bynes would

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you know the girls' room from

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from leaving undersell yeah was it all that the

6:51

amanda shop okay

6:57

i'm horrified at the end of the dinner table with

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next to nobody else but it's ya there and

7:01

so we were like were going to going to the bathroom

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and start our own co yeah

7:06

but this was long before yeah they

7:08

are hard cause when i believe they were just starting

7:11

to research for your buck guy or relationship

7:13

outside of the and co host is literally just

7:15

like we're friends who

7:17

are both really talkative yeah

7:19

i'm like bids were performer

7:22

types yeah i mean ever done

7:24

stand up so obviously so obviously i was a performer types

7:26

but i the only going until i moved

7:28

to l a that i realize i like vibe really

7:31

well with beer kids what ,

7:34

covering theater gas and it's fun when you

7:36

like meet other people like that because it's for

7:38

lack of lack letter word we just

7:40

like a vibe and five and five do feel

7:43

funny because we have like really

7:45

opposite like lox and

7:48

i mean do we yeah no we don't

7:50

like out i don't know like i think we are

7:52

very different in some ways but we're

7:54

also very similar to that are wary of

7:56

i think we're both extroverted were both create

7:59

a we both have big dreams

8:01

by i think i'm a little nerdy here and

8:03

here a little joke year and

8:05

this might sound i don't know med

8:08

or naval daisy but i think i

8:10

, that dynamic two tablets to make for podcast

8:13

and i'm just so grateful that we

8:15

were both willing to take a shot on this and that

8:17

is working out so far it

8:19

kind of complement each other like i mentioned

8:21

before like we do edit the podcast you

8:24

know because like there's so much to talk about

8:26

we want to make sure that we like keep it snack

8:28

couple that was like our whole ammo and focus

8:31

and focused and so like i think we

8:33

do a really good job of holding each other accountable

8:35

for i think so too because i can get really

8:37

in the weeds especially if i'm talking about

8:40

something every search that links and then i

8:42

can start talking about random things that i've visited

8:44

five us yeah i guess that long

8:46

in the sort of it is like we're friends and we really

8:48

do help me ah yes

8:51

and now we live in same neighborhood blow that pervy

8:53

really that into the next question how

8:55

did we come up with the idea for the podcast

8:57

yeah i think this one's simple if

9:00

you want to take it away sure i mean i

9:03

wrote this book called cultish the language

9:05

that is is the house yeah you have you heard

9:07

of it of it some

9:10

the

9:11

i never heard of that book why

9:14

don't have three copies just didn't know

9:16

a too hard club me the word know digital

9:19

i have been fascinated

9:21

with cold for a long time in part

9:23

because my father grew up in a notorious

9:25

cult constant and on i've mentioned is on the podcast

9:27

a few times and i grew up on his stories and

9:30

so i got this idea to write

9:33

a book about the language of colts

9:35

from scientology to full cycle my background

9:37

is in linguistics i'd published my first

9:39

book and twenty nineteen that when was called word slut

9:42

and it's about language and gender

9:44

a cultish is my second child

9:47

i started writing it and twenty nineteen

9:49

i finished writing it in very very early

9:51

twenty twenty one the most of it was

9:53

written during the pandemic and i

9:55

was just sort of brainstorming ways i

9:57

could continue talking about this

9:59

com dept of the cultists spectrum

10:02

you know not just groups like the manson than the moon

10:04

he is but the cold lake brands

10:06

and communities and figure is that are only becoming

10:08

more prevalent in our society and people

10:11

had always ask me i think this cousin

10:13

probably comes up a lot with people in

10:15

l a who are chatty it's like have you ever

10:17

thought of starting a podcast yeah i

10:19

answer with always lead know the world

10:21

doesn't need enough to her for ah i

10:24

know and i i've set i said this before

10:26

another episode but now i'm like people are

10:28

like oh you're a podcast or and like that most embarrassing

10:31

they got me is that you stand up comedy

10:33

are you kidding me for set so embarrassing

10:36

yeah by as you really during

10:39

, pandemic we started a hang out more could i

10:41

tend to dislike joined a a

10:44

life yeah you did we parted

10:46

yeah we parted in the pan ie

10:48

and with we were hanging

10:51

out hanging law at her apartment and she

10:53

was like we like have this idea for like a

10:55

podcast like wanna do more like the

10:58

subject that i able to cover in my book and

11:00

make it also she was like what you want to do this

11:02

with me and i was like fuck yeah yeah it

11:05

really started out as like a creative exercise

11:07

and an opportunity to collaborate because

11:10

writing is so solitary

11:12

yeah and it feels really serious

11:14

and it feels really cerebral a lot

11:17

of the time i i think think like book

11:19

comes across as lighthearted as well

11:21

it is a work of journalism though i just to

11:23

be able to work with

11:25

someone else who yeah something else to the

11:27

table like you bring this

11:29

like hilarious best he energy

11:32

and i think i bring the like nerdy energy

11:34

to the table the yeah i wanted to be able to talk

11:36

about the group that had wound up on the cutting room floor

11:38

of the book because there are so many colds and i wasn't

11:40

able to cover the i wanted to talk about them

11:43

in a context that wouldn't just language specific

11:45

i wanted to talk about them and more of a pop cultural

11:48

contexts and i just love how

11:50

shows like my favorite murder have really exploded

11:53

and captured people's attention and there's is really

11:55

something to talking about dark

11:57

subjects in your

12:01

tone that yeah as knew it i

12:03

love to bring cheeky and also for me

12:05

it was like what to me and ask me if i wanted to do this i

12:07

was at a place where i felt like it's really

12:09

hard to like start a project and

12:11

finish it especially with like comedy

12:13

it's like this ever growing set

12:16

with your always just adding to your said unless

12:18

you get a special you're not like done with that

12:20

material or linked no such thing as a finished

12:22

product yeah and with a podcast

12:24

it started off as if we were like okay we're gonna do

12:26

ten episode yeah and it's just gonna be

12:28

one season and if people listen to a great

12:30

if people don't listen to it we have

12:33

a proof of concept and for me as like a

12:35

documentary filmmaker and expedient i was like

12:37

okay i know how to at it i know how to like do all this

12:40

stuff so it's like like make like

12:42

a bad ass proof of concept if it doesn't

12:44

blow up at least i can like to use it to apply

12:46

for a job it literally did never

12:48

even occurred to me that it would have

12:50

find a listenership ever i was just

12:52

like this will be fun this

12:55

will be a another like multimedia

12:58

skill that i could maybe cloud

13:00

alert because i didn't go to school for podcasting

13:02

i would go for writing and on goose egg

13:04

i do want to give a shoutout though to this one podcast

13:07

that i listen to which i had forgotten but

13:09

i'm there's his podcast called millennial

13:11

and it's like a one season podcast in it's about

13:13

a millennium woman who wants to get into podcasting

13:16

and ten metre yeah and

13:19

every episode is about her making a podcast

13:21

and how to make a podcast and i don't

13:23

know the other day someone asked me how did we

13:26

know how to make a mike eisner like i don't know but then

13:28

he really didn't versus yet we didn't but i

13:30

remembered i like listen to this podcast during

13:32

an internship one summer

13:35

and , i think i like subconsciously learned

13:37

a bunch from that podcast

13:39

i didn't actually know this yes i

13:42

didn't know anything about how to make

13:44

a podcast but i've listened devoted

13:46

lead to a number of podcast

13:48

over the years with funny though is that

13:51

i've never listened to a podcast like this

13:53

one i listen to the investigative

13:55

style podcast science

13:57

pod catholic radio lab or science vs

14:00

or i'll listen to really elaborately

14:03

produce podcast like as town

14:05

for the gateway which is that

14:07

podcast about peel swan made by

14:10

a towel named getting round but isn't

14:12

it always the case that you never make the thing

14:14

that you also consume i do love

14:16

that not , be like me

14:19

me me but i do love that we like

14:21

ultimately are women women

14:24

in because in do get insecure

14:26

sometimes die podcast

14:30

a cross between journalism and

14:33

also our opinions yeah so

14:35

i get insecure that people are going to be like who

14:37

cares about their opinion but then

14:39

i go on social media and i see

14:42

an endless pit of them

14:44

men via spewing

14:46

they're dumb little opinions and which

14:50

is pure a little opinions on average the

14:52

internet or informed opinions and i guess

14:54

that leads us into another question

14:56

what is the episode research process

14:58

live news so for some of our

15:01

episodes i thought well

15:03

equipped to be able to talk about them

15:05

because i had researched them at length

15:07

interviewed multiple sources read a

15:10

wide variety of source material for the book

15:12

episode like will cycle crossfit

15:15

celebrity mega churches will mega churches that

15:18

was that's an example of one that ended up on the cutting

15:20

room floor for the book and i was just like chomping

15:22

at the bit to be able to talk about it i'm yeah past i

15:24

think when we did our first ten episodes

15:26

like the research was already pretty much done

15:29

yeah and the limbs i had already

15:31

looked in at laying there was like

15:33

already an outline and that's the thing is like that's

15:35

when we were like had so much more time

15:37

we weren't weekly like we prerecorded

15:39

everything yeah and so we would meticulously

15:42

it everything in it was like perfect

15:45

any would almost script it yeah

15:47

but now like we are weekly and we

15:49

still do a lot of research for each

15:52

episode but we don't really have like

15:54

a team i mean aside from aaron

15:56

are at out fishing in studio

15:59

audio senior producer and then or

16:01

editor k anderson who is like we

16:04

might do they divert our guess we could

16:06

not do this weekly thing without

16:08

kate she so goods yeah our

16:10

listeners lovers you like our target demo

16:13

and , we have our intern who

16:16

he hired on a freelance he says after the

16:18

internship with over and we did pay her stipend

16:20

and we now pay her hourly and now there

16:22

are on know emmy griffin

16:25

on some slick giving it

16:28

a liquid an artist thinks they're ban has

16:30

not like yeah pretty much that's our team is like us

16:32

know and me kate air and kate air

16:34

emmy everyone else pretty much else flick production

16:37

in post production but like know i mean is

16:39

the only additional help that we have for her

16:41

content yeah and it's really

16:43

scrappy like there are a lot of podcast

16:46

in our category

16:48

who have like a team of writers and

16:50

researchers a script episodes

16:52

over the course of multiple months even

16:54

if it doesn't sound like the episodes are scripted

16:56

they are not this one baby is

16:59

is just us every week and

17:01

that's where we always mention that it's edited because will

17:03

record for a really long time to make sure

17:05

that we cover everything and then later will at it it

17:07

down with the key points always knowing

17:09

that like we're doing our best under their

17:11

constraints and that's also how

17:13

could we forget like the most

17:16

important member of our team is our listeners who engage

17:18

with us because that's why we do the listener

17:20

collins because even though we don't include all

17:22

the listener colin sometimes we hear about

17:24

points or things that we should have

17:27

that we can like a look into further exactly

17:29

yeah this is truly like a crowdsourced

17:32

so so like in terms of basic

17:34

research we start with an outline of you know

17:36

we always want to make sure like like i always think

17:38

of my mom who's obviously listens to

17:40

his podcasts and sometimes she just doesn't

17:42

know my dad listens to us

17:44

and some has she just doesn't know what the topic is

17:47

rachel i'm like we start off with like defining

17:49

the topic and like where it started where it came from

17:51

background and then we kind of like

17:53

the diving into pulte aspects and

17:56

then from there like we might have a guest

17:58

the way that we decide how oh

18:00

look into it it's like through the language

18:02

of amanda bullock

18:04

and like the categories yet because the

18:06

word colts is so subjective

18:08

and up to interpretation and my

18:10

book investigates the history of the word

18:12

cold and this so kind of picks up where the book

18:14

left off with the understanding that cockiness

18:17

conserve in all kinds of places

18:19

it's just a matter of analyzing specifically

18:22

how dangerous that holding his his

18:24

then we find primary

18:27

and secondary resources online

18:29

and it's one of those things where the research starts with

18:31

one article and then another article as linked in

18:33

that article in then you kind of follow

18:35

this like a rabbit hole and and all the sudden you

18:37

have a large rob

18:39

of resources and we make sure we poll

18:42

from all different kinds of sources

18:44

including reddit forums like we want

18:46

to hear white the population has

18:48

to say like we always talk about if we

18:50

just like follow our algorithm like it

18:52

would just be like a biased take and

18:55

invariably are takes

18:57

are still going to be biased no matter

18:59

how many the us as we look

19:01

at even proper like research is biased

19:03

like hell even live in sciences bias

19:06

yeah the next question is how do we pick

19:08

the time

19:08

that for each episode

19:11

what are littler tele yeah it's

19:13

partially when our listeners hello again some of

19:15

them are just topics that i've been itching

19:18

to cover we also like created before

19:20

we even started season two before we decided

19:22

okay like let's do this thing go weekly

19:25

we had in excel sheet of topics

19:27

like over sixty topics

19:29

oh now we have hundred oh now we have hundred

19:32

but before when league i would

19:34

go out or people would talk about like a story

19:36

or something out just put it in my notes folder and

19:38

then add it later to like the excel sheet

19:40

select we started season two with like already

19:43

like fifty to a hundred topic

19:45

or sometimes something would trend on social

19:47

media on tic toc which i'm not on

19:50

so i have an ice and it has

19:52

it's really it's really of topics

19:54

that we know are going to be

19:56

of interest no matter when we applaud them

19:59

like mln yeah i'm with topic

20:01

that come up in the news like when you are on i

20:03

spot twitter we were like oh we got a sly that

20:05

enroll click or preview for a future

20:07

episode which we want to do like a lot

20:09

of research for which is why we haven't done it yet but

20:11

we want to do like an episode on the cult of like

20:14

the supreme court and because of

20:16

the most recent new and

20:19

for those more like serious episodes we take

20:21

a little bit longer bk i wanna like do them

20:23

justice we have not yet no pun intended ah

20:26

the but speaking of the seriousness

20:28

vs light heartedness there are certain topics

20:30

that are just like not a fit for the shell because

20:32

the at home and that yeah right slick if

20:34

it is so obviously is get

20:36

the fuck out level cold we're not gonna

20:38

wanna cover it because first of all that's the type

20:41

of group that another show would

20:43

cover and they are we really traffic in these

20:45

sort of gray areas of like is

20:47

this a cold this this not out mean

20:49

only run out of topics will do that but we

20:51

actually will never mattered never topics

20:54

the list grows exponentially everyday and

20:56

listeners are always always the ending

20:58

us and com our topic that

21:00

we would have never even thought of but then it'll

21:02

sparked something or like that is fascinating

21:05

people keep requesting the cult of marching band

21:07

people keep requesting the cult of

21:09

or hop

21:11

for a dime that live last love brand

21:14

it yeah never ending you've been

21:16

in like the cold space for way longer than i have so you're probably

21:18

used to these be split sometimes i'll get

21:20

like a young athletes hey i need your help

21:23

yeah i just escaped or colts and i'm like oh

21:25

my god i am not a trained professional re

21:28

re it's what i have time i like are

21:30

all of these to like our excel sheet so

21:32

that when we're planning for future episodes and like oh

21:34

someone mentioned this those cm really

21:37

just speak to the fact that there

21:39

are not very many resources for people

21:41

who have experienced cult like abuse especially

21:44

when that a big hole abuse shows

21:46

up in a place you might not think of as a cold

21:48

layout start up yeah like

21:51

a self help seminar to your point

21:53

that like there aren't that many resources for people

21:55

who survived cause like i feel like there's so many resources

21:57

for not so many stasis

21:59

the america

22:00

like resources but there's resources

22:03

for people who are addicted to things

22:05

and twelve step program for survivors of like

22:07

domestic of youth there's like structure

22:09

to that kind of stuff but i feel

22:11

like keeping a cold

22:13

or gaping like a community that has taken

22:15

advantage of you there's not really like any

22:18

place that people go to for that i know

22:20

i know just a not fighting and joining

22:22

other cool it's it's really so

22:24

true and that i mean there's so many reasons for

22:26

that first of all like we are

22:28

are founded on religious freedom

22:31

and we do have our

22:33

free will here and i mean we talk

22:35

about this and are episode on the cult of seven

22:37

am films but what

22:39

is the difference between doing something voluntarily

22:42

and doing something under coworkers

22:44

and like these are such heady intangible

22:47

yeah effects but you're right

22:50

i mean at the end of the day goes back to the fact

22:52

that it is so hard to define what a cold

22:54

even is yeah and what even make the

22:56

cold dangerous man that's what that

22:58

twelve step programs have thought was actually

23:01

really kind of divisive in one will need

23:03

to do a parts you on because we

23:05

really really do pay attention to

23:08

our listeners feedback especially

23:10

when it is phrased respectfully we

23:13

are truly doing our very best

23:15

with this podcast what having no training

23:17

and hi and hi we want to keep it entertaining

23:20

right so like some episodes are more conversational

23:22

and others and so when we do lean

23:25

into like the conversational aspect will have forgotten

23:27

to cover certain things and then we

23:29

can do apart to because we

23:31

plan on sticking around exactly

23:33

and you know that that will save her him episode

23:35

was one where we had meticulously

23:38

outlined you know a lot of criticisms

23:41

of twelve step program and then we got into the

23:43

conversation with our guess who just like how to personal

23:45

experience and we had it kind of just run with

23:47

it because that was the conversation at hand there

23:49

is always room for the

23:51

conversations continue and there's always room

23:54

for a part to yeah exactly unlike and

23:56

and so if you have a comment on like an episode

23:58

literally with hum the go earlier com

24:01

and on are insecure and next question

24:04

how do you pick the guests for each episode

24:07

no good question

24:09

them times will know someone personally

24:11

who are like oh they can definitely speak on s whether

24:13

it's a journalist or someone who

24:15

is more or less in that

24:17

told ya other times we kind of work

24:20

backwards like we want to

24:22

work with a friend or someone

24:24

and so will ask them is there a topic that

24:26

like you think you know really well

24:28

that we can talk about the earth sometimes

24:30

we'll have like a dream gas to

24:32

like leah thomas the intersection will environmentalists

24:35

for a cult of fast fashion episode was like the

24:37

only person i wanted for that episode our

24:39

just like cold slid into her the ams

24:41

and she was kind enough to respond but sometimes

24:43

we just really really need a gas and we

24:46

don't directly know anyone who can speak to that topic

24:48

the we just blacked out cold the ends and

24:50

seen reform and first smith yeah and

24:52

spoiler for a future episode can i did your comment

24:54

about it we did record an episode

24:56

of the cold of david o rec a while back

24:59

but we are trying to get his friend

25:01

on as he asked which yeah we haven't released

25:03

it the guy who was like hit in the

25:05

face with like a crane and

25:07

like that out oriol yeah and so

25:10

like we are sometimes we like

25:12

record an episode and were waiting for like the right guest

25:14

before we like really set yeah that's true too

25:16

and we try to keep a mix of like people

25:18

who are really really critical of the cult at hands

25:21

like are essential oils guest or

25:23

are fast fashion guess sometimes

25:25

will interview someone who's like kind of in

25:27

the cold but still criticizing it's

25:29

like are true crime guess yeah and

25:31

then sometimes we interview people who are like full blown

25:34

in it like are does he have to hope for the

25:36

as and as fun as well as we we him yeah

25:39

next question what recommendations you have

25:41

for books other podcasts movies and tv

25:43

shows about colds or cult like

25:46

oh

25:47

we are fascinated i'm a spot

25:49

us i play list of

25:51

sounds like a cold approved yeah

25:54

we did that we can share on our instagram

25:57

so this isn't technically a colt topic

25:59

but feel like it's a similar vibe there's

26:02

this podcast called celebrity memoir book club

26:04

by clear and ashley and every

26:07

week this is insane the they read

26:09

a different celebrity memoir

26:11

book and , it's kind of culti

26:13

because it covers that celebrity for the

26:15

week and then they talk about

26:17

the memoir and their life and they kind of assess

26:20

the the book club go

26:22

yeah to comedian

26:24

i've worn my little hard yeah i met

26:27

one of the comedians on a show in new york that

26:29

we were both on and she

26:31

told me about it and i was like wait you read

26:33

a book a week i was so afraid of oh

26:36

well their celebrity memoirs yeah that's true

26:38

there are quicker you can read it like one setting yeah but

26:40

it's a really fun parker that's cool yeah

26:43

i'm some other podcasts recommendations you're

26:45

looking for something more investigative the drop

26:47

out that the then i was podcast the gateway

26:49

that i mention that the teal swan podcast

26:51

a scam flew in thirds is a great newer

26:54

podcast violating community guidelines

26:56

is another route podcast those two are

26:58

slightly more similar to this show i mean if you

27:00

haven't already watched the documentary

27:02

on that workspace what's it called

27:05

we were we were the we were documentary

27:07

it's so cool to the podcast a little bit culti

27:09

hosted by my friends sarah edmunds

27:12

in and her husband nippy

27:14

anthony nippy aims their nexium

27:16

survivors and they do i'm a slightly

27:18

more serious formal interview show

27:20

with cult survivors and experts i was on an

27:22

episode talking about to colts language

27:25

i'm that's a great one to next

27:27

question what's your favorite

27:29

episode of the podcast or your favorite

27:31

cold that you've covered i'm pretty proud of the

27:33

instagram therapy episode because

27:35

that was also based on many many months of reporting

27:38

that i had done yeah i'm really proud

27:40

of our trader joe's episode it was our first

27:43

episode this season

27:45

and i feel like we did a really good job like collecting

27:48

listener collins and analyzing all of

27:50

the different groups in

27:52

the cold itself and like not just the people

27:54

who go to trader joe's but also the people

27:56

who work at trader joe's

27:59

i also just think it's the great episode because we

28:01

really nailed down the format and the

28:03

structure of the show i think it says

28:05

a lot that when i talk to fans

28:07

of the show they say that that was

28:10

one of their favorite episodes and i love

28:12

that because it's such a simple topic but

28:14

we'd go then when we created an entire

28:17

episode around it that episode really represents

28:19

the so yeah okay next lesson

28:21

if you are in a cold which one would you be most likely

28:24

the joint

28:25

interview i can i join it like a different called every

28:27

week ah

28:30

this is like a little bleak

28:32

by it only decided to do are toxic

28:35

relationships episode because that was the most humbling

28:37

things i discovered while writing my book that the dynamic

28:39

in an abusive relationship is

28:42

really similar to a cult dynamics and

28:44

while i don't tend to gravitate toward group

28:46

i do tend to sort of individual

28:49

ads on t really charismatic individuals

28:51

whether it's a friend or a lover

28:54

and my boyfriend now by the way or composer

28:56

an angel me out a our

28:58

daily kind boy

28:59

by i love lake

29:02

a charismatic best you know

29:04

now i like er da michael it's not

29:06

as yeah i would love to be some only

29:08

good so on but no i think for me

29:11

probably like the cult of social media

29:13

honestly oh wait think that's

29:15

the one that i've they'd

29:17

with no longer me feel i'm completely

29:20

in the cult of instagram it has captured

29:22

my brain chemistry yeah

29:24

and take talk to him like i want

29:26

to post war on tic toc and be less

29:29

on tic thompson but i'm like addicted

29:31

to it and like sometimes the internet it's just

29:33

so funny like i

29:35

, a warmth

29:38

around me when i go on and i see content

29:40

that i relate to and i'm like like

29:42

is so funny and i still dm you the content

29:44

even though she'll eat it take to the

29:46

reason you feel a warm feeling is because there is literally

29:49

a gosh of happiness chemical it's

29:51

like happiness drug it's is a drug and it is

29:53

designed to be and it to and in the cult of instagram

29:56

but if i could start if cold this is not

29:58

the question it would be a

29:59

anyhow compound in the was where everyone with were

30:02

puffy sleeves and turtlenecks letters and we

30:04

were just right and yeah

30:05

amanda is actively working on making

30:07

that have i'm working on the

30:10

next person i like this one what is your favorite

30:12

and least favorite part about doing the so my

30:16

favorite part about doing the show is

30:18

that this is gonna be sappy but we

30:20

can i got to start like a small business with

30:23

a friend ah like a

30:25

just like work with each other and like

30:28

i think it's really insane that people

30:30

like wanna hear what we have to say yeah

30:32

the fact that it has developed into

30:34

this weekly thing is is

30:37

that a delightful surprise i yeah early

30:39

so soft yeah yeah

30:41

i , my least favorite part of the show

30:44

is that we started to incorporate

30:46

a video aspect but i

30:48

know because like know because it's important for

30:51

the content and whatever but now we have to

30:53

like wear makeup and like shorter than i

30:55

am like i loved when we would just

30:57

record with no video i so agree

31:00

my favorite part about the so this is also going to be sappy

31:02

in it's gonna sound like i'm sucking up but truly

31:04

it's a listening to the listener

31:06

collins area so fun

31:09

to hear people engage our listeners are so

31:11

funny i love when they pick up

31:13

and use our language like when they call

31:15

themselves called use when they yeah

31:18

your life watch your back at the fuck out or for

31:20

a while some people were like responding to

31:22

my instagram story like to gg x

31:24

the girls like any and it's oh i've done

31:26

some in person book events now where

31:28

listeners have sewed up thank you very much

31:31

and have asked me to write stay cold you but not

31:33

too cold the in their books that is

31:35

so fun i also have loved getting

31:38

sent me some people i really admire

31:41

because they've been guess on are so like oh yeah

31:43

when we were guess on like george lopez his podcast

31:45

yeah like the first speed the

31:48

name that we've got to talk to and out that was

31:50

so cool that was really cool and

31:52

then he asked me to like open for him at the

31:54

last factory which would like insane

31:56

and like honestly like life changing

31:58

for me for me yeah

32:00

but then also like the guests that we've had on the show

32:03

yeah like i was a long

32:05

time subscriber and fan of lauren toyota

32:08

are veganism guest i

32:10

really admire leah thomas

32:12

of the b a nurse actual environmentalists was

32:14

such a huge platform and he was really nice of her to be on the show

32:17

so many journalists that i admire have been on

32:19

like sarah wine men and definitely mcneil

32:22

and then of course our stand up guests may

32:24

martin times like such a finjan

32:26

yeah yeah same are there any

32:28

colts that were too afraid too cover because

32:30

of the followers i mean i think immediately

32:33

like that the so that comes to mind is the instagram therapies

32:36

the law we yeah we were

32:38

afraid of her followers who we didn't name her yeah

32:41

that ended up being really interesting because sour

32:43

dough people were clamoring to get through it

32:45

was yeah and it's actually if you join our peach

32:48

on a included a i'm an interesting

32:50

clue just for the pastry on patrons

32:52

about who was yeah that the

32:54

author you can literally disco on the post on instagram

32:57

that people were like commenting on and like people

32:59

were asking each other like they were like

33:01

oh you know what is like dm me that was

33:03

really fun to see people engaging

33:05

that way i'm like we're not going to say it but

33:07

if you figured it out and we're not gonna say because

33:10

literally this woman is so

33:12

litigious and so

33:14

known for harassment speaking of

33:17

litigious what oh kim

33:19

kardashians now kardashians lawyer about do

33:21

we wanna cover the cold has cold has

33:23

of are we gonna come after us i think we're small

33:25

potatoes younger than hard as he is on

33:27

the other the other called that comes to mind that

33:29

were too afraid to cover because of the followers as joe

33:31

rogan we wanted to do joe

33:34

rogan for so long

33:36

and i would like really was trying to like push

33:38

amanda at first to do it and

33:40

then i

33:41

the other comedians on they were like

33:44

maybe shouldn't because his

33:46

follower his followers are

33:48

actual call followers it

33:50

makes my heart beat out of my chest

33:52

in a bad way not in a romantic way

33:55

thinking about having to navigate

33:57

the vitriol from his followers

33:59

they

33:59

hank our reviews they

34:02

would

34:02

blow up rdm with harassment my

34:05

on a deal with that yeah and i mean as

34:07

women we already kind of like can have to

34:09

deal with like online harassment like were

34:11

right yeah if i ever post a clip

34:13

of like this podcast or of my

34:15

stand up on social media like

34:18

if you ever look at stand up clips on social

34:20

media with a female comedian on social media

34:23

the comments from comments will always either be

34:25

like they could not fucking funny

34:28

or might least favorite is

34:30

like oh it would actually

34:32

funny i live off

34:34

like even if they do admit

34:36

that you're funny it's like in this condescending

34:39

of were like i guess women can

34:41

be funny we already like how the

34:43

deal with that shit yeah i'm i normally

34:45

our lives limelight i would

34:47

crawl into and it's just so different critiquing

34:50

people and group podcast

34:53

format versus a book format

34:55

because it takes a lot

34:57

longer to read about it's a lot more effort

35:00

to read a book and i feel like i can protect

35:02

myself because i'm doing

35:04

research over years and years and isn't actually

35:06

my least favorite part of recording of hi guys out the game

35:08

and answer that it's that i just don't feel like

35:10

i'm in my comfort zone writing books

35:13

really feels like my comfort zone yak

35:15

is like when you write something you can

35:17

edit it over and over and over again until

35:19

but like with about gossip like we have one week

35:21

at it exactly and i feel like i'm

35:23

a writer by trade and when i mean i love

35:26

i'm a talker by trade so like

35:28

i'm totally fine having

35:30

an opinion saying it and then a week

35:32

later being like i change my mind set kill me

35:34

i want my arguments to be watertight and

35:37

on a podcast especially because like a

35:39

book has to be a certain level of formality

35:42

just because of them of the medium apart as

35:44

can be anything it's the wild west out here yeah

35:46

so like we can just sort of

35:48

release our opinions but that kills me because

35:51

in my book writing i'm just approaching

35:53

it so differently yeah and that's because

35:55

it's raining it's raining okay last

35:58

question what episode are you

36:00

most looking for internet and

36:03

i started rushing yards with their spreadsheet

36:06

this is one that we've gotten

36:09

requested a million times and we are going to

36:11

do but i'm really looking

36:13

forward to the episode of the cult

36:15

of crypto me cause i've

36:17

been working on a documentary about crypto

36:20

for the last year and

36:22

so i've really been in the weeds with

36:24

it and that's why we haven't covered it yet because just wanna

36:26

do it justice and we're gonna

36:28

try and get like an anonymous crypto

36:30

influencers when it's like we're in the process of doing

36:33

that yes that's gonna be a great one much requested

36:35

i'm excited about the episode on the troubled

36:38

teen industry because the troubled teen

36:40

industry is a descendant

36:42

flash and off she has that

36:45

cult that my dad's that his teenagers and sin

36:47

and on so i really can't wait to deep

36:49

dive into that and and a comedian friend

36:51

of yours when one of these programs yeah

36:53

it's crazy nord two or three

36:56

comedians who like we're in these programs

36:58

anything about so many i'm excited about the cold of

37:00

chiropractor's yeah i'm really excited

37:02

for the supreme court episode because we're gonna try

37:04

and cover like the history of different opinions

37:07

and how they've developed over the years and recently

37:09

insane fact that like these nine people

37:11

preside over an entire

37:13

countries right yeah

37:15

yeah it's just a different ways of

37:17

tackling the hopelessness topic

37:19

of so many good ones mom fluent third

37:22

with these i don't want to give too much

37:24

away by it we have really good sick

37:26

coming see and part of a reason why we're taking this break is

37:28

so that we can prep for yeah we

37:31

also just wanna thank all of our

37:33

listeners so it sincerely

37:35

for tuning into this show

37:37

for being in this cold of sounds like

37:39

a call i love you

37:44

i , as i'm obama and

37:46

you're tuning and you're the first time this

37:48

is not a traditional i personally like

37:51

a behind the scenes bonus and we have with the laddie

37:53

to get to know a little bit better yeah

37:55

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