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One of the most thorough examination

2:07

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2:09

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2:11

is from way back when we recorded

2:13

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2:16

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2:18

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2:20

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2:22

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2:25

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2:27

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2:29

talked about robbing them. You hear how

2:31

we broke into the business? You hear

2:33

about visiting Japan getting the break it

2:35

easy derby. But the really big break

2:37

coming. When. He became Mr. Monday

2:39

night. On. Monday Night Raw

2:41

and Ninety Ninety Seven. He also

2:44

hear about. Paul. Heyman

2:46

Management style. At

2:49

the time. The. First time robbing

2:51

them ever Met Vince Mcmahon. When.

2:53

The company started actually make overtures to

2:55

sign rob the first time. Who.

2:58

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3:00

so much more. There's a ton

3:02

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3:04

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3:06

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3:09

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6:04

Rob. Van Damme right

6:06

here on something to wrestle

6:09

with. Bruce. Pritchard.

6:12

Somebody who knew how to look good. Well.

6:15

Lesser man Rob Van Dam. And

6:17

of course we're celebrating him today

6:19

on for twenty. Why

6:22

are we doing this on April Twentieth? Bruce. Because

6:25

that's who they are. Show Jobs!

6:28

This is on Friday and in

6:30

the day to day when the

6:32

showed off his a twentieth four

6:34

twenty a like him. Well of

6:36

course. Ah Robert Alex Zapped House

6:38

was born on December eighteen nineties

6:40

you ever the and a success

6:43

the same birthday as see. Often.

6:46

More happy Birthday C N Battle

6:49

free Michigan which I think the

6:51

cell phone because one who's an

6:53

easy though you they used to

6:55

switch it up with him and

6:57

sambo and say he obama a

7:00

messy and and battle for be

7:02

a good self you from a

7:04

a freak before brief selfridge India

7:06

was their yards past this past

7:09

summer and got the muslims or

7:11

bends down the same Mazuz revenge

7:13

in India. So. I'm. Rob

7:15

becomes interested martial arts when he's

7:17

watching on television and starts to

7:19

mimic those moves that like thirteen

7:21

or fourteen when he first is

7:23

exposed the wrestling about fifteen years

7:25

old together with all of his

7:27

friends and my wife and wrestled

7:30

each other but before that he

7:32

actually attended Wrestlemania three and a

7:34

friend was that works in Pontiac

7:36

fan of for of the show

7:38

with They'll before so like to

7:40

get some rose Twenty four and

7:42

he was a big Jake the

7:44

Snake family. Brought signs and I'm A. He

7:46

was a superfan and is sort of famously

7:48

and I think a lot of people remember

7:50

this. They did the Ted

7:52

the be awesome Million Dollar Man see it

7:54

more. Can you tell us about Robin Damn

7:56

and then skip. You know,

7:59

Rob told me. When I

8:01

first met him one the first times

8:03

that I met him because you know

8:05

I was one of those people that

8:07

came out of the audience and did

8:09

warn Teddy be Ossies will you do

8:11

this for money deals? A gruelling and

8:13

he actually did the kiss my feet

8:16

thing with Teddy Be and got paid

8:18

as show in Michigan. One time we

8:20

were back and actually found the footage

8:22

and it was robbed. Scowls Key that.

8:25

There. Was there's also that was pretty damn

8:27

cool. He was a mega fan. That is

8:29

cool and I think that's like eighty seven.

8:32

Ah, But the so that the think the

8:34

first time he see him in a

8:36

Wwf ring in Nineteen? Ninety Seven Or

8:38

yes, Jeff Hardy and Robert really have

8:40

a lady seven. Ah, for

8:42

this million elements. Here was this conference

8:44

he sort of came up in the

8:46

business were in a different era, almost

8:49

a different time and he worked a

8:51

lot of his first masses with Greg

8:53

Valentine. And those are two names. Vinyl

8:55

thank you. Think about. sort of come in and

8:57

together. Ah, I'm. I

8:59

think a lot of people have heard the

9:02

story though of how Rob. Sort. Of

9:04

God in the business and was trained. What?

9:06

Do you remember about Rob getting into the business of

9:08

the stories that you've heard. The

9:10

other the main stories that I

9:12

heard about Rob was obviously that

9:14

he had trained with the original

9:16

see good far had out of

9:18

Detroit, Michigan and the seek was

9:20

the first one that really. Took.

9:23

An interest in Rob and really taught

9:25

him how to work in the business.

9:27

When I say taught him out of

9:29

work the seat didn't teach a buddy

9:31

how to work at first. The seek

9:33

taught you. To. Respect the

9:35

business and he showed

9:37

you. Holds and taught

9:40

you the real. Real.

9:42

Real wrestling and Meiji respect the business

9:44

First long before he ever smart job

9:47

that the business was a work made

9:49

sure that you were tough enough physically

9:51

and mentally to be in the business

9:54

in the first place. And

9:57

before he decides actually get into

9:59

wrestling. Ada some tough man contests

10:01

and finish the second. Ah any

10:04

thinks he can do that because he been

10:06

training to kick box. But. Then

10:08

one day ironically. Ah

10:10

he has a chance meeting. And.

10:12

Gets an opportunity to start training with

10:14

The Seat and Ninety moving on. And.

10:17

That chance meeting happens when.

10:20

He's in a grocery store bagging

10:22

groceries. For. A living. And

10:24

prior to that he had sort of flirted with the

10:26

idea a killer Kowalski, but he wound up with the

10:29

seats. Are you think. A

10:31

grabs career might have been differently had he

10:33

went to Kowalski school Instead of the seats.

10:36

Will probably be running the Debbie Debbie right

10:38

now feed gonna glossy school. I was hoping

10:40

you'd say that. I'm

10:42

so it is a different

10:44

era. Ever heard of. Some

10:47

of the training methods that the See would do

10:49

have enough Think most people listening this are familiar

10:51

with the see Him if you're not. When I'm

10:53

talking about the Iron C E O X they

10:56

have a pretty good impression of right. To

10:59

be maybe has been John

11:01

back. fuck you it as

11:03

add some booze you can

11:05

eat a baby. Of

11:08

God I love he does. Did the day

11:10

are the all the into? Ah I'm. Sorry.

11:13

Sorry you had Always the my favorite.

11:16

He them are twelve matches

11:18

and nineteen ninety. But. He

11:20

says that you know realistically, None.

11:23

Of the stuff that we know robin

11:25

them for was taught to him by

11:27

the seats. The. See saw

11:29

him out entire powerful on a

11:31

headlock. The really basic stuff. The.

11:34

Rob knew early on man he wanted

11:36

to do the high risk stuff behalf

11:38

I and stuff. Must. Not like

11:40

the seat states in fucking five star

11:42

Fox classes, right? Seattle,

11:46

David the seat there were got

11:48

up and off the top rope.

11:50

Too much his career and there's

11:52

a reason for that. he didn't

11:54

have to and the sequels major

11:56

Attraction. But the important thing that

11:58

the seek taught wrong n Sabu

12:00

was the fundamentals. Any taught him

12:03

how to protect himself in the

12:05

rain and. Made. Sure, he knew

12:07

what the hell he was doing. In the ranks of

12:09

people can see through what he was doing. So.

12:12

Viscerally, he has both in the U

12:14

S W A. In this happens because

12:16

the seek has relationship with Jerry Lawler

12:18

and this is when things start to

12:20

happen for Rob. Or the

12:22

see kid named him the Polish

12:24

France and the also wrestled as

12:26

you robbie see Rob that a

12:28

few other silly names and then

12:31

one day he meets a promoter

12:33

from Florida, Mr. Wrong Slinker and

12:35

Ron Slickers. There was a son

12:37

in law tax last year who

12:39

we know as Median or Phineas.

12:41

And. You have any Iran Slinker story you can.

12:44

She was almost a forgotten name from wrestling.

12:46

Is a matter of fact

12:48

I do because Rawnsley thirteen

12:50

through the Houston territories way

12:53

back when in the seventies

12:55

and. Tom. And I

12:57

both been in karate. that was Roms gimmicks.

12:59

He was a karate guys so we would

13:01

go back and talk to Iran about karate

13:03

and about wrestling and he would always be

13:06

nice to us and talk to us. But

13:08

many years later. When we

13:10

got into the business were actually working

13:12

with gonna meet up with wrong from

13:14

time to time he were always laugh

13:16

about those two kids. From. Houston,

13:19

Texas. The karate kid that ended

13:21

up making the wrestling business runs

13:23

always you know, really nice to

13:25

us and he was a nice

13:27

guy. Like said, he was the

13:29

step father of one and only

13:31

medium. That. Would be

13:33

Phineas Darwin. So.

13:36

Ryan actually gives him the name Rob

13:38

Van Dam because he looks a lot

13:40

like Jean Claude Van Damme and I

13:42

feel like a lot of our younger

13:44

listeners may not know how big of

13:47

a fucking deal was on Claude Van

13:49

Damme and early nineties. Jean Claude Van

13:51

Damme was Shut Norris probably before Chuck

13:53

Norris. I think that if you were

13:55

to ask people back in the day

13:57

who was going to be the star.

14:00

Are and who would be the one

14:02

with the longevity and Hollywood people would

14:04

have chosen. Rob. Amina is on Claude

14:07

Van Damme over even Chuck Norris so

14:09

he was a mega star. He was

14:11

on the same skill same level as

14:13

Sylvester Stallone. You know when people looked

14:16

at action heroes in the he was

14:18

the she isn't it. Ah,

14:22

I'm at this point. I think a

14:24

lot of our listeners are promising mass.

14:26

Rob gets an opportunity to wrestle Little Bear

14:29

for W w as Robbie the In. This

14:31

happens because Ryan is friends with Bill was

14:33

is running devotees of you at the time.

14:36

And. So Rob actually. I

14:39

get an opportunity here. To

14:41

do some enhancement matches against Pat

14:43

Rose friends the show from Chattanooga

14:45

think he has efficiency own and

14:47

set the hurt. Or. On has

14:49

swallows off the hook. It's a hook

14:51

fucking fishing show. Their my a a

14:53

Pet Pet likes to fast. Pat.

14:56

Likes to fish. Pit. Likes to

14:58

pass yeah as closely that I like.

15:00

Like fresh paint A felt. Exactly

15:03

what's going on with your your on the

15:05

second immense. I did.

15:07

I did. I took them early. do they?

15:09

Maybe that's what's going on? There's was interesting

15:11

to me when Rob get services of you.

15:14

Know. What says I wanted Easily

15:16

Van Dam. And. Rob.

15:19

Think that's are weird and says

15:21

wanna see him He says I

15:23

wanted to be confused with someone

15:25

else. I. Thought that's hilarious because

15:27

that's what everything and wrestling is about

15:30

as trying that. When. How many

15:32

fucking nature boys were there like? That's what

15:34

she do fit their i know. Yeah,

15:37

but at the say is the same time

15:39

you you wanna be the one that everybody

15:41

else is copying, right? You know one copy

15:43

of by you want to be the innovator.

15:45

You want to be the one they create

15:48

something that everybody else wants to imitate, not

15:50

be imitating someone's I agree with that last

15:52

me. When. I'm too terribly long after

15:54

robbers and of his interview only Anderson

15:56

takes over because Watts as out. And.

15:59

Always listen the the same thing that mail

16:01

they had. So. Rob winds up

16:03

not signing a contract and just being able

16:05

to leave is working on a sort of

16:07

nightly deal. And. He decides I have

16:09

found his the independence any sort of

16:11

sharpens the skills a little bit. He.

16:14

Only had a run into pieces of he

16:16

from like December of Ninety Two to may

16:18

have Ninety Three. And apparently my

16:20

graham was the guy who would always

16:22

push him to sign. But.

16:25

Rob would say things like Africa I added a

16:27

home. I'll bring it. And. I feel

16:29

like robbers problems playing a game they are just

16:31

because he knew a especially at that time. Man.

16:34

Mills's down if you're human guinea and in

16:36

a beginning with areas of yeah, Fda me

16:39

at log mail here right? I

16:41

think. Also just smooth change over in

16:44

Booker's from wants to only It's a

16:46

completely different philosophy. And. Both

16:49

of those guys are old time

16:51

guys but only for sure. Wasn't

16:53

a big fan of the the

16:55

pretty boy good lookin guess. In

16:59

Rob at a different look. You know he didn't

17:01

look like that. Wrestler type

17:03

and only really would have liked

17:05

to have a crowd. You compare

17:07

Booker? Why? Tamil Watson the book

17:09

or like only Anderson? Will.

17:12

Both guys are pretty similar in

17:14

that they're both old school guys

17:17

and they are. In. Favor of

17:19

the wrestling, the not really big on

17:21

gimmicks and not really big on high

17:23

flying and they. Both. Favor

17:26

seat over. Making

17:29

the audience happy. You know those lot

17:31

of the old school guys, it was

17:33

all about getting he in leaving he

17:35

billie up to the one big match

17:37

for the baby face to get the

17:39

blow off. but everything building up to

17:41

an all your Tv was all about.

17:43

He and Watson only were all like

17:45

in that way but I do is.

17:47

As much as it pains me to

17:49

say this bill was probably a lot

17:51

more open. To. New Ideas

17:54

and Build did see the

17:56

value of youths. And he

17:58

saw the value of of young. Talent

18:00

to draw, A. Younger crowd.

18:04

Only didn't know he fell to

18:06

the know you you want, the

18:08

older crowd, the steadfast grab. His.

18:12

Work as an independent and runs in

18:14

a Brady Moon who suggests that Robs

18:16

saw would work great in Japan. Sobriety

18:18

make the call. And a visually

18:20

Rob gets a shot to do a tour

18:22

with all Japan and he was a parking

18:24

there from ninety three to Ninety seven. Of

18:26

course he's working some shots here in the

18:28

States especially for easy now view. But.

18:31

Rob would probably say that he really put everything

18:33

together with the Rob Van Damme character and sort

18:35

of honed his style. is Rob and am that

18:37

we know. While. He was in Japan.

18:41

What do you think of? a gas

18:43

or I'm in. This feels like almost

18:45

like the All Warriors code from incinerate

18:47

centuries ago. Were really? if

18:49

you're gonna sorta. Become. A bad

18:52

ass. you have to go to another way

18:54

and a faraway land and then come back.

18:57

What? Do you think of gas? Go to Japan and

18:59

really sort of put it all together. Whether it's. Prob.

19:01

And Am or Aj styles are an

19:04

easy styles is the most recent example

19:06

where. He. Working with the In

19:08

a really not serious answers from Derry

19:10

of Eve from a financial standpoint. He.

19:12

Goes over talkers Japan and comes back for

19:14

big money. Now is the tippy top gonna

19:17

impale? allows them that opportunity to the not.

19:20

It doesn't do it allows guys

19:22

may be with not the biggest

19:24

personalities. And. Then

19:27

aren't that flamboyant here in the states

19:29

and are unable get over to go

19:32

get over with their in read in

19:34

reading skills in Japan because they don't

19:36

speak the language they don't have to.

19:38

However, if they can tell a story

19:40

in they can perform in between bell

19:42

time then they're going to do very

19:45

well in Japan. So it's a different

19:47

style is a completely different philosophy. For.

19:50

A guy like Rob Van Damme who

19:52

didn't have the biggest personality per se

19:54

especially is this time when he's young

19:56

in the business and he still developing.

19:58

It's a great the time to go

20:00

and learn. As. J are

20:02

you say you go while our new home. This.

20:05

Was love to robbed go learn

20:07

a different style into grow in

20:10

just get experience in the business.

20:12

And. A feeling it's worth mentioning. hear the Kenny

20:15

Omega The most recent example of this. at least

20:17

the Me. Here here's a guy

20:19

who wb didn't see it on in a

20:21

developmental. The Us to Japan and proves

20:23

that the slam but the whole fucking world wrong

20:25

and arguably one of the best wrestlers in the

20:28

world, if at the very best wrestler and world.

20:30

But. It all happen through the in ring work exactly

20:32

like you're saying. And ebooks. You know

20:34

what? years? Funny. I'm going to go off on

20:37

Kenny Omega tirade here for a second. I.

20:40

Saw some early Kenny Omega south that

20:43

he did did he produced himself the

20:45

it was complete ha ha. in to

20:47

complete bullshit and I found it some

20:50

of the most entertaining South I've ever

20:52

seen in my life and that when

20:54

I saw the old stuff and Omega

20:56

just goofing around and it was a

20:59

a thing on a boat in or

21:01

any in and out of my house

21:03

I went Wow! This. Guy's

21:05

got personality and I had our watch

21:08

the the Bullet Club stuff with the

21:10

young bucks into the Omega and Cody.

21:12

Highly entertaining. So for people when I

21:14

hear that will Kenny Omega didn't have

21:17

a whole lot of personality that submit

21:19

as shit load of personality. And

21:21

I think that he would do really well

21:24

here in the states much. it was his

21:26

ring work and it was him getting over

21:28

somewhere else to got everybody's attention over here.

21:32

But eventually ah robbers

21:34

in Japan and a

21:36

sorcerer realize that. You

21:39

gotta fucking take these dates For real.

21:42

Hand He learned very quickly

21:44

that. The. Sort of

21:46

softer American style. Was. Not

21:49

resonating with the crowd or

21:51

the boys. And so they

21:53

had the really start taking the shit out of

21:55

each other and that goes back to the see

21:57

who taught him to be Steph. But.

21:59

It's and. The level. In. Japan. Sometimes

22:01

they go back to like cool water and

22:04

godlike there who would just take the fuck

22:06

out of each other a sort of smartness

22:08

up. Why is that a mean our sort

22:10

of thought. The gimmick with wrestling is a

22:13

supposed to look like it hurts but then

22:15

it doesn't. But. Then over there.

22:17

They. See that and forth everywhere. I mean,

22:19

Ayman One Fifteen years ago, Loki was

22:22

taken the shit out of Daves. Yeah,

22:25

don't get it. I was brought up in

22:27

in a different way. I was brought up

22:29

the old to work and not to hurt

22:32

your opponent and toward lively and take care

22:34

of your opponent. However times change in I

22:36

think that. In. The United States

22:38

were found on the last ones to

22:40

adopt it but when you have competition

22:42

with us see what as born out

22:44

there beat the shit out of each

22:47

other? That's which a competition is and

22:49

you have to make it look at

22:51

the best you can when you would

22:53

go to Japan or you'd go to

22:55

Auto Mom's in Germany a lot of

22:57

times the foreign talent coming in to

22:59

their country they would be tested. Let's

23:01

see how tough they are. let's see

23:03

if they can taste it and they

23:05

would put him in the rain. And

23:08

beat the shit out of I'm to see.

23:10

If. They're gonna come back see if they're

23:12

going to actually fight back in that would

23:14

tell them in japan will kind of character

23:17

they have. well you know this guy's got

23:19

it. He stop is knocking taking shit from

23:21

anybody. And. As get helps get

23:23

you over with the office and with

23:25

boys and. Them. With are

23:27

out. Of. Course he befriends

23:29

Seibu and Seven trying to get him

23:31

in a seed of he surrounds any

23:33

wary of Ninety Six said lose really

23:36

trying oppressor Paul Heyman to bring and

23:38

rob. And every week when they see

23:40

each other he says that paul call you. And.

23:42

Robs as know he has not promised the time

23:44

was so work in Japan of course front of

23:47

some shots in the Carolinas and do well for

23:49

himself. And when the Paul Paul

23:51

Heyman call file with happens. As.

23:53

I ever going to give you a fee hundred bucks to come in

23:55

and pull over my you were prick. And Rob doesn't

23:57

want to do that. So. One

24:00

a book and angle for him and stare

24:02

just to appease. Abu. But. Paul

24:04

wants to take a look at him so puts

24:06

them in the ring with acts are rotten and

24:08

this is his first time wrestling in front of

24:10

the scene of the arena. And that's

24:12

a bloodthirsty Krauss and Robin messy Never

24:14

seen anything like that and his entire

24:17

career up to that point. Bruce.

24:19

I know you just saw the scene of your enough.

24:22

Or yes, last year when we took a

24:24

tour. Bus. You were never there

24:26

when there was a crowd there when you

24:28

watched the tapes of that's. What's

24:31

the a me to compare to any other

24:33

arena crowd in history? Know.

24:37

We'll that that Philadelphia crowd that

24:39

he C W crowds. They were

24:41

neighbors tacit. You know they knew

24:43

what they wanted. They had their

24:45

own chance and it was a

24:47

cold like following so that came

24:49

across on air and that's something

24:51

the Paul played into in the

24:53

audience. Loved it! So. It's here

24:55

in his first run of he sees of your

24:57

he starts to do this double fum point gimmicks.

25:00

And originally starts from just a double

25:02

bicep and then out of enthusiasm and

25:04

excitement. He. Does it as sort of a

25:06

heel kind? As starts to get over.

25:09

And. He doesn't really

25:11

know how over it is until they're on

25:13

the bus a Japan and they pass a

25:15

group of fans and they're all doing the

25:17

double fum posts and him. It's

25:19

one of those little things that really helps

25:22

you get over a mean Daniel Bryan with

25:24

the yes have these days is the perfect

25:26

example that as a my. Absolutely

25:28

and is usually happy. Accidents Systems that

25:31

weren't the best, litter, organic and is

25:33

he doing your Os and three sixteen

25:35

is all of those are great examples

25:38

of something that in the spur of

25:40

the moment you do it and it

25:42

works in and catches on. One.

25:45

Of the more I guess our comic

25:47

things that robbers doing at the time

25:49

was finishing move. With. Any

25:51

see their views on everything. Goes.

25:54

The. Van Dam or later And to remind you if

25:56

you haven't seen this are you know for it's called

25:58

Van Dam and and or is he. The fear

26:00

you and to keep her from hitting you in

26:02

the face, you catch it. And then

26:04

he immediately takes it in your fucking face.

26:07

Bruce was you think of them and them and eight or

26:09

the first time he saw it. Hated it

26:11

for some assad's alla thought it was dangerous

26:13

but then yo after awhile you you watch

26:15

new okay well the guy that got the

26:18

chair, he's pretty much controlling it so after

26:20

a while i yeah I watch it and

26:22

oh okay that's pretty damn calls matter fact

26:24

but it's hard. you know you can't do

26:26

that anywhere else but he c w really.

26:30

Of. Course Rob was involved in this

26:32

easy W W W F cross pollination

26:34

project The House are doing and Ninety

26:36

Seven. And he even appears

26:38

on Are All Wrestling A very

26:40

young Jeff Hardy. And. Ravi.

26:42

It's the when and was most

26:44

effectively squash match. And.

26:47

Around the same time he was having

26:49

some problems and easy wt felt like

26:51

he had been slighted and not now

26:53

showcase than off. Odd to

26:55

the point that he wasn't even originally

26:57

scheduled to compete on Barely Legal. But.

26:59

Chris Candido was injured. And

27:01

so all the sudden. Robin. Damn

27:04

had an opportunity. To.

27:06

Fill in and a dub himself

27:08

Mr. Monday night and really get

27:10

over with the crowd. When.

27:12

He's as first saw Rob and them in

27:14

every of yeah. Working with Jeff Hardy is

27:16

you imagine that there was something there? Did

27:19

you know that Rob has yet? or did

27:21

you first realized maybe we can do something

27:23

with him? People are into him or he

27:25

has something. To say

27:27

the first time that I saw

27:29

Rob Van Dam was actually with

27:32

Story Phone Junior long before he

27:34

was. Even. Any see Derby

27:36

right about the time that he was

27:38

going to Wc: Wu Gan Robin Damn

27:40

does the Van Damme split where he

27:43

takes two chairs or the Van Damme

27:45

dad lived in takes to tears and

27:47

does splits and then miss a barbell

27:50

in between. Extremely.

27:52

Difficult to do and extremely impressive when

27:54

you see somebody do it. And I'd

27:56

seen Rob and always thought you know.

27:59

If. He had a you the love

28:01

any just had a different style. So

28:03

watching Rob from day one thought that

28:05

he was special and thought he was

28:07

somebody that could come into the debris

28:10

debbie and have a. Big.

28:12

Mids following. So.

28:15

Of course this story as a little

28:17

bit of a feared lawless calling a

28:20

see the of you. In a

28:22

low budget. Wannabes,

28:24

No tail and blah blah blah. Ah,

28:27

I'm. Rob starts

28:29

to sort of dub himself

28:31

Mr. Monday Night. And

28:33

Lawler saying he's gonna have some other take

28:36

care that. Jon. Bon Jovi

28:38

wannabe. And. This is sort

28:40

of early easy w W of F

28:42

stuff bias as great memories of this

28:44

maybe aside my fandom and Ninety Seven.

28:47

Looking back. What? Are your

28:49

memories of this? Easy

28:51

W W W F stuff from

28:54

Ninety Seven, at least from a

28:56

robin damn perspective. Well, he was.

28:58

Rob Van Dam was probably. The

29:01

star that we wanted the most. And

29:04

he was somebody that we felt that

29:06

we could bring in in actually to

29:08

capitalize on. So Van Dam was somebody

29:10

we were interested in, that that. Is.

29:13

Attractive. And yet terrifying to

29:16

Paul Heyman Because Paul it the same

29:18

time is now realizing oh shit that

29:20

we'd have eased look in a Van

29:22

Dam. I want to lose him. and

29:24

if they're interested in him, then yeah,

29:26

I've got something here. and Paul like

29:28

to have that control and Paul like

29:30

to manipulate the Talon into thinking that

29:32

he was the only one that could

29:34

guide their career Form. And

29:37

he really did that pretty masterfully. Allegedly

29:39

robbed fella. He had an opportunity to

29:41

do something with piss off. And.

29:43

Paul apparently convinced him that. Know.

29:46

You really? yeah To leverage that the Oh

29:48

Bob hearing on Monday Night Raw and Will

29:50

Make Them was even more. He can call

29:52

yourself mister Monday Night We never know you're

29:54

in a show up. It'll be great. Your

29:56

character. But. Then when he actually

29:59

goes to work. There we w f on

30:01

some of these shots while he still under an

30:03

easy Debbie contract. Paul. Selling and

30:05

stuff like they don't want to hear. so

30:07

watch your bags. Not. Leave him where

30:09

anybody he gets home they're going to sit near bags

30:11

or cats are close up. And when he

30:13

really had the got started drinking the kool aid to

30:16

be not. Ah, Yes,

30:20

And and it wasn't even like

30:22

it was hidden there were there

30:24

was Paul taking now man. Going

30:26

to the corner and you literally

30:28

see Paul looking over his shoulder

30:30

to see if anybody's. Watching

30:32

them are trying to eavesdrop on.

30:34

I'm. But. That's

30:36

how Paul. Guys. Do what

30:38

he wanted to do. You know Paul continually

30:40

fit in. To. Their ego

30:43

Paul continually told him what he

30:45

thought they wanted to hear and

30:47

was continually eats feeding this us

30:49

against them mentality. Even

30:51

then, And that's what he needed

30:53

to do to get that loyalty for the

30:55

Cw locker room. Robbie. It's an

30:57

opportunity to work some Saigon Saturday night masses.

30:59

To me with Lawler you for headbangers and

31:02

then on are all. He's also getting opportunity

31:04

to wrestle the all to call Scorpio flash

31:06

phone here in the dairy to be. As

31:09

tables involved in rock is the when. And.

31:12

Then as a tag team title tournament the

31:14

next week and the head bangers actually be

31:16

Rob Van Dam and Lawler. And. In

31:19

hindsight, Rob probably didn't like teeming with

31:21

Lawler doesn't really make a lot of

31:23

sense. What's. The Thinking Here

31:25

and putting Rob Van Damme on the same

31:27

thing with stereo. Speakers. Law

31:29

was so anti U C W

31:31

and Rob was easy dubuque So

31:33

it was Rob was gonna be

31:35

presented as almost. The

31:38

is better than that. Yeah,

31:40

yeah, exactly. So that was the reasoning

31:42

for it. Was the Oh Lawler taken

31:45

the guy that he's gonna now mold

31:47

into the Derby? Debbie? One.

31:49

Of the assets Rob had interaction with are in

31:51

his early run here that there will be asked

31:54

his own heart. He looked up though and heart

31:56

because of all the hof on moves in one

31:58

night. And. Oh. Really put

32:00

overall been a big way and survey Knoxville.

32:02

Five matches from Just Watch and money years.

32:05

Ah I thought was pretty cool that

32:07

so many guys especially from this era.

32:10

Really? Have such respect for Allen Says a lot

32:12

of auto and as a performer and as a man,

32:14

right? Oh was a great

32:17

performer. Known was an innovator long

32:19

before he came in to the

32:21

Ww Ii. I remember back in

32:23

one thing was Wrestlemania five I

32:25

guess but. Oh and

32:27

hard. On. These in Germany

32:29

and swell Germany and Japan

32:32

people were talking about. owns

32:34

moves then been things that

32:36

they had never ever seen

32:38

before. So own heart to

32:40

the boys. Especially. Young

32:42

talent they looked at all and and

32:44

own always strive to be different in

32:47

the innovate vs imitate. One.

32:49

Of the things that happened pretty early in

32:51

the run as Paul Heyman is constantly saying

32:53

if you're a thoughtful with anything to say

32:55

the word and will go. Sort

32:58

of insinuating Rob didn't have to do anything.

33:00

That is more to for the there is

33:02

a bf. And. Rob felt like

33:05

he was his mission to sort help in he sees

33:07

of he over in one of the early. Matches

33:09

there were proposed were that The

33:11

Road Dogg Jesse James would go

33:13

over Rob Damn. And

33:15

this a different time of course and Rob

33:18

said something like i afford the for new

33:20

and jobs here. How. Does this help

33:22

the company? And poly said

33:24

i if you honestly believe so they decide

33:26

to leave. But the go Talk to Vince

33:28

Mcmahon first and that's the first time Vince

33:31

mates Rob. Advent says something

33:33

to the effect of. A

33:35

plan on staying here that every of yeah or else

33:37

I wouldn't put your face on t. And

33:40

I see you as a babyface. The.

33:42

Remember this first meeting with Vance and

33:44

Robin? Them. Sure I do

33:47

because Paul's stern everything up and Paul was

33:49

trying to get these guys are other day.

33:51

It wasn't that the boys didn't wanna do

33:53

a job was Paul didn't want them to

33:55

do a job and it was Paul feeling

33:57

that if they did a job on our

33:59

Tv. That that would hurt w

34:01

some R E C W. The.

34:04

Fact that we're putting them on Tv and

34:06

doing something with them. Held C C

34:08

W by the exposure alone and there were

34:10

stories to it and has been said I

34:12

wouldn't put on T V if I didn't

34:14

have plans for you want to do something

34:16

with you. Are. In

34:18

of the things I have, er ed Murray

34:20

sorry that sort of how hard to believe.

34:23

Is. Yes, we're actually planning said take this

34:25

easy now view that we have yes stuff

34:27

a step further. Allegedly. According

34:30

to the rumor and innuendo and summer

34:32

Slam, Ninety Ninety Seven. A. Rob

34:34

Van Dam and Sabot tag team

34:36

was proposed. The takes on Tommy

34:38

Dreamer and Sandman. Sri at

34:41

Summer Slam Ninety seven. Now.

34:43

Obviously that didn't happen. But

34:45

according to the lead into didn't happen

34:48

because Rob. Sort. Of

34:50

didn't wanna do the job for Jesse

34:52

James and Plan Sainz. As they say

34:54

in that relationship sort of falls apart.

34:56

Why? Did the relationship sort of from

34:58

afar at the seams And ninety seven

35:00

with he sees every from an on

35:03

air standpoint. For. That reason the

35:05

that? Paul? Ya think? Paul got people so

35:07

stirred up there. you know they didn't want

35:09

do jobs and they didn't wanna. It's fine

35:11

telling a story as long as I win.

35:15

Or lose on one. tell the story anymore. I want

35:17

to be on your Tv as long as I win

35:19

And that just doesn't work because. Still,

35:21

Story Yeah, winners and

35:24

losers man. That's.

35:26

Why fell apart in if there was gonna be a debate

35:28

over that every single time in sin one deal with it.

35:31

So. Does your have a conversation with anybody

35:33

about a proposed the scene of you massive summer

35:35

slam on a seven? Or they're just the. Of

35:38

a bullshit, they'll. Buy. Things

35:41

as his people talk in insane saw a

35:43

Yelp is probably day meltzer sitting there got

35:45

i know what they're gonna do Didn't have

35:47

a tag team match but that was never

35:49

on the books and I was was something.

35:51

If anything we would have had a C

35:54

W Guys against Abu Dhabi guys. He

35:57

was of thing and easy to have you

35:59

as an incredible run. Rothys in every title

36:01

for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds the days.

36:04

I mean, over a year, well over a year

36:06

and wins the tag titles a couple of times

36:08

with Seibu. And. Then eventually in

36:11

late two thousand, Rob is looking

36:13

for somewhere to land because the

36:15

checks are feminine. And. He

36:17

feels like the law reads hear the bigger hole

36:19

is gonna be dog. He. Still getting

36:21

as guarantee but he's not getting paper

36:23

view bonuses, is not getting merchandise payments.

36:26

So. He's looking to jump off of

36:28

a sinking ship. But. It does make

36:30

one last appearance at the last. Pay For

36:32

View January Seventh. Two Thousand and One Way

36:35

be Juri Land! And allegedly he

36:37

wanted to guarantee that was twice as much

36:39

as had been paid before. And.

36:42

And. Had to make cash. Paul agreed to

36:44

do it. Though. And Rob got there and

36:46

ask for it. Paul. Said i don't

36:49

think he meant cast has. Averaged.

36:51

As he surfs Gimme Gimme Benjamin's

36:53

oh sir I feel the to

36:55

or six if I could have

36:57

another violently why thought you meant

37:00

my was I would you be

37:02

one of these pieces of paper

37:04

with a dollar amount on it?

37:06

Take to your bags. They.

37:08

May not be a little it right away but

37:10

you will save it for devils. Your guarantee serve.

37:15

Probably. The biggest ally of Robs easy

37:17

to have you career is winning the

37:19

television title from Bam Bam Bigelow and

37:21

I think that happened. And Ninety Eight.

37:23

As. A pretty iconic moment there when he class to

37:26

the top rope and then jumped from the top of

37:28

the ring out to the floor. By. On

37:30

the other side of the guard rail and

37:32

flips over the you remember seeing anything of

37:34

Rob Ryan in Easy Though he before he

37:37

came up and thinking fuck we are Get

37:39

this gas. At this

37:41

was his believe it or not, I

37:43

was always a fan of Robs because

37:45

of his lot. And

37:47

he was different. His work was

37:49

different. He didn't work like every

37:51

other guy I wasn't as big

37:53

of a fan of is hard

37:56

core stuff and a lot of

37:58

that. But. I was more

38:00

I'm a fan of of his

38:02

uniqueness. Of

38:05

talk about. When. It's all

38:07

over. When. His you guys.

38:10

Want to get in business with Rob Van

38:12

Dam and why didn't happen sooner? Well,

38:15

I've got a warrant again. business Who

38:18

broadband damn all the way back to

38:20

nineteen Ninety Seven. I remember somewhere in

38:22

there between like Ninety Eight and two

38:25

thousand. Been. At a show

38:27

with the Galaxy Theater in

38:29

California now outside of Los

38:32

Angeles for U P W

38:34

show and. We.

38:36

Were up in a box and everything and

38:38

somebody came down and said hey Rob and

38:41

amps Rob was in a box on the

38:43

completely other side. I suck his head and

38:45

said hello and I went down and talk

38:47

to him and handed in my car and

38:50

said you know that whenever you're ready to

38:52

make a move I'm sure would appreciate you

38:54

give me a call He said of course

38:56

you'll love to Man goes on of good

38:58

right now. But. I'm

39:01

always been a fan of Robson also

39:03

he be good fit with Debbie to

39:05

be. So.

39:07

Allegedly. A

39:09

decides hey, if he can't beat em, join em

39:12

and by he I mean Paul Heyman. He shows

39:14

up and us commentary on Raw. And

39:16

a lot of the boys that now that this

39:18

was the in the and. And. The

39:20

Now Paul had when or for the big

39:23

bad empire that probably had the make a

39:25

lot of guys. Who. Had been hearing

39:27

the sermons for years and years of our how.

39:29

You. Want to go there? They don't know

39:32

what to do with you elo the

39:34

speak corporate monster. It's not real wrestling.

39:36

And. They won't let you be. You forgive

39:38

me a prisoner. And. Now

39:40

he's on T V. A lot of the

39:42

guys probably feels a certain type away about

39:44

that. The the not. Yeah.

39:48

Because Hoffman's then. You know

39:50

they're They're fearless leader. Is.

39:54

On. W W E T V

39:56

extolling the virtues of the W

39:58

W E N. In. Doing.

40:01

Everything that he had breached them Not

40:03

ever to do because you have to

40:05

believe in your brand and you have

40:07

to be able to sell easy W

40:09

E C W stories. The only thing

40:11

that matters and we will not sell

40:13

out to the corporate bigwigs. And

40:16

they hadn't even shut the doors and polls on

40:18

our Tv. So.

40:21

Nothing there are a lot of. There was a

40:23

lot of buzzes. Tenorio, What fuck. So.

40:26

Rob. Decides okay Paul's they're on a the

40:29

call and see if he can help me

40:31

get an. Pulses. That's great.

40:33

I'll call they aren't call your I back

40:35

and we call them back he says. He.

40:38

Got a medium at the L A X

40:40

Mary. Odd because they think you have a

40:42

reputation for being hard to get along well.

40:45

And that probably goes back to him

40:47

refusing to do a job for Jesse

40:49

James and Ninety Seven Fibers. I'm not

40:51

really privy to the conversation The Ball

40:53

Jr had. However, I would say that

40:56

Rob was painted with that bras. From.

40:59

Back in the that time with the

41:01

Jeff Hardy incident. And people did

41:03

they been okay. Well you know why

41:05

it was Rob it was Sambo was

41:07

paul. And they were difficult to

41:09

deal with that time. So. Most.

41:13

Felt. That it was probably Paul stirring

41:15

that pot it the same time. If you've

41:17

gotta be able to look Rob in the

41:20

eye and say what do you want to

41:22

do you want do business in in work

41:24

with us and probably Jr was out no

41:26

way and it was a good opportunity because

41:28

that's a Rob lived. Together

41:31

and talk and I can see Jr say why

41:33

are they don't from a minor. Injuries

41:36

were no or hammers he

41:38

see Derbys Nan against. And

41:40

I can see Paul Kennedy you know

41:43

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41:45

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41:47

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43:45

little concerned about what they're going to do with

43:47

a million. Changed his name for a new character.

43:50

whenever. That happens and said he debuted

43:52

on July ninth. Two Thousand One. And.

43:54

This is the famous Invasion angle.

43:57

Against. They are tommy dreamer so there and

43:59

throws in the. The Navy shirt and

44:01

thera. The. Representing easy their view

44:03

and the alliance was born. With.

44:06

Any other ideas kicked around for bring

44:08

In and robbers? Maybe a different character

44:10

or a different name or how was

44:12

he to use this? The way was

44:15

no. Timing was right time, he was

44:17

right. Because of the invasion we realize

44:19

that we needed. For

44:21

us, all we need the easy W

44:24

guys. We needed more people with name

44:26

recognition. We didn't get that from Wc

44:28

Wu. the the big names were still

44:30

under their A O L Time Warner

44:33

contract. Rob and ambien

44:35

available. To. Us that was

44:37

the biggest Easy W name that

44:39

was available out there. So keepers

44:41

name keepers persona and painting with

44:43

that he C W brush that

44:45

we were trying to paint. So.

44:48

Now we want to bring and rob and am. Now.

44:52

Of course the Cw locker room with

44:54

a lot different than the Wtf. Backstage.

44:57

Area The whole situation. And.

44:59

Rob admits that he never really got

45:01

used to the way Easy dove you.

45:03

Compared to the Derrida Bf, he was

45:05

ever really comfortable with the Wwf because

45:07

a lot of times. They've. Got a

45:09

call tom of like one o'clock. In

45:12

the showed us a nice ago in the air until

45:14

eight. Seem. Like this whole day

45:16

here and that was really not the way.

45:19

It happened in Ac. they'll be whoa. What are

45:21

you think of the other big difference between the

45:23

locker rooms? Sprawling

45:25

on haven't a piss in a bucket?

45:27

Ah, I'm. Structure.

45:31

Of. People have to be responsible for

45:33

their actions as a lot. I mean

45:35

the. The. Rumor and

45:37

and that strictly going on. Rumor innuendo. The

45:39

person in the bucket of some I did

45:42

witness of my one and only C W

45:44

show that I ever went to. but it

45:46

was. Completely. Different

45:48

there there was structure to it and you

45:51

you had to be on time. He had

45:53

to do certain things were certain things were

45:55

expected of you and you know it's funny

45:57

with you are going to get their one

45:59

o'clock. The have to get their one

46:01

o'clock is there's a lot of other things

46:03

that are going on besides your one match.

46:06

the.com I need your production may need you. There's

46:09

pretends to be done. There's a lot of things

46:11

that need to get done throughout the day. And.

46:14

If you're searching for people are having

46:16

to adjust the schedule for one person

46:18

or two people. it makes it difficult

46:20

to. You've got a lot of production

46:22

stuff to do and we need everybody

46:24

there on time. So

46:26

let's talk about his early run here

46:28

because he's on his a loss of

46:30

a thing smackdown teaming up with Billy

46:33

Kidman to defeat X Box and Jeff

46:35

Hardy. And a few days later, it's

46:37

the Invasion Pay per View in Cleveland. And

46:39

we have a barn burner Massa, Jeff Hardy

46:42

and he actually wins the Hard For title

46:44

see as or push them and featured him

46:46

right away. Tell me what

46:48

the feeling on Robbins when he comes in

46:50

and immediately Matt was a big purse and

46:52

a huge pay per view match with Jeff

46:54

Hardy. Was. Looking looking at

46:56

the group of talent coming in, here's

46:58

a younger looking guy with lot of

47:01

talent and Rob Van Dam and. Wanted.

47:04

To do something with and been slight

47:06

him and you see a let's start

47:09

of and let's introduce and our audience

47:11

and let's build him from there so

47:13

he was been says way of an

47:15

introduction and. See. What we've got from

47:17

here. So.

47:19

Let's talk about their match, The

47:21

Invasion pay per view. It's something

47:23

that. People. Still talk about to

47:26

this day. Would. Think of this

47:28

Robin and Jeff Hardy match here. Well,

47:30

I'm not a big fan of a

47:33

hardcore matches, but I think that when

47:35

you do it well and it is

47:37

something that you get that holy shit

47:39

moment in. They're both Jeff Hardy and

47:41

Rob Van Damme. They put everything on

47:43

the line. Every. Time they go

47:45

in the ring so it was too

47:47

young guys go out fighting to get

47:50

over and you felt it Any saw

47:52

any was pretty damn incredible. Gas me.

47:55

Is. It fair to say that the Hardcore title.

47:57

Was. Always sort of position this sort.

48:00

The. A joke. A

48:02

funny ha ha bell. except when

48:04

Rob had it. And. Felt like

48:06

when rob head as he was just work in a

48:08

C W matches he of the next are all.

48:10

He beat my hardy and hardcore matter

48:13

to me, sandwiched him inside of a

48:15

ladder, and then five star frogs blast

48:17

the ladder. And. Minutes and stuff he

48:19

would have done me. See the of you. And.

48:22

I feel like some of the other times

48:24

it was more funny ha ha. No

48:26

three was really funny ha Thankfully

48:28

was in God. We introduced with

48:31

Mick Foley and are all angle

48:33

with Stone Cold Steve Austin so

48:35

it was something. That.

48:37

Was different and it was a way

48:39

to be able to have those type

48:41

of matches and make those matches mean

48:43

something. If you're fighting for a championship

48:45

versus you salmon a hardcore match to

48:47

have a hard core match. He.

48:50

Works for on Philadelphia against the Jury

48:52

which is pretty cool. And. The

48:54

next day he's on. he. And he

48:56

beat Jerry Lynn. And. Juri lands

48:58

probably his most famous you know

49:01

opponent from the Cw days. They

49:03

have a series of incredible masses.

49:05

The. You ever see any of those my asus for me

49:07

see their view of cereal and and robin them what to

49:09

think of us. Was all lotta

49:11

love. I just saw a lot of

49:14

Jerry Lynn and Rob Van Dam and

49:16

Jerry Lynn is another one of those

49:18

guys. I go back to my days

49:20

Global Championship Wrestling was which was my

49:22

first exposure to Jerry Lynn. And.

49:25

He was in an issue with the

49:27

two three kid who was the Kamikaze

49:29

kids back in the day and I

49:31

sat there in all. Watching.

49:33

Jerry Lynn work. He was so

49:35

damn smooth, so damn good in

49:37

so believable the stuff that he

49:39

did with Rob. They had a

49:41

natural rivalry the had a natural

49:43

rhythm in the rain. And

49:46

you believed everything that they did in

49:48

the ring. So it it was good.

49:50

I dare say it was great and

49:52

I wish. The. Jerry Lynn.

49:55

Yeah, I wish there was a

49:57

place for Jerry Lynn. The.

50:00

They've either the debate, debate, performance Center

50:02

I think he's a great teacher and

50:04

into he was great age it but

50:06

I do think he's a great teacher

50:08

and teaching guys what to do and

50:10

I he's absolutely tremendous in the rain.

50:12

But the marriage and of Rob Van

50:14

Damme in Jerry Lynn just words mean

50:16

they they worked in perfect harmony. Size

50:20

Ascending hard for title on how

50:22

says the late July and mid August.

50:24

Working with guys like past Aids teen

50:26

Sephardi, then the Us to a no

50:29

contest for third angle on the Our

50:31

Thirteen Thrall And around this time he

50:33

starts to get a reputation for being

50:36

reckless. And happens with a

50:38

lot of the guys. start coming back,

50:40

the curtain busted open. Specifically.

50:42

On this mess with angle angles Lying on

50:44

the announce table. But. He was far

50:46

up enough. So. When rv be

50:48

like dropped him. As soon as

50:51

the table and the I busted open when

50:53

army has to the back he walked right

50:55

past fancy was in gorilla until Vance. Sorry.

50:58

I got your voice like that and Vince

51:00

said he'll learn to turn his head next

51:02

time. And after

51:04

that, Third, Wife Karen

51:06

posts online The Roof Simply back

51:09

to Ohio Valley Wrestling to learn

51:11

to work. Oh

51:14

man that's advisable. the right the remember

51:16

care and sort of being hands on.

51:18

With. Kurtz career like this sort of

51:21

vocal. His. Hair was

51:23

vocal about curse career and Care was

51:25

vocal bow what she thought so she

51:27

still is. Lesser. Large.

51:31

Okay, Cool. So early anything there was

51:34

talk of Will now I'm a huge

51:36

she was a that. That's that's all

51:38

there is. What skills far as Rabin

51:40

Rak List: As a that Robs Snug

51:42

says he was definitely snug in the

51:45

ranks. And guys you know did come

51:47

back and good good God man. but.

51:49

Here's the say. Anything that robbers

51:51

gonna give you Rob was willing to take.

51:54

Sophie. Gr he wants you to kick

51:56

him back card. Fair's.

51:59

Fair much. Yeah people didn't think he was

52:01

asked if a few years ago before off

52:03

com or for York City of San Blas

52:05

hanging out with Rick. But. Hours

52:07

before doors opened are all and everybody just

52:10

sitting around sort of bullshit and and market

52:12

are you saying In out. And one

52:14

of the young guys his press on the

52:16

main roster comes up these really excited that

52:18

he's. Here. Is gonna be on.

52:20

Romney's working with Rob Van Dam and he's

52:22

gone on to great success with their You

52:24

Be. And. Sell Marchionne are you?

52:26

Try to sorta give some advice, catch him up

52:28

and he says who York and with nine. And.

52:31

He says Rv day. And

52:33

Martini says all make your mother fucking

52:36

Hands up. Stargazing

52:41

by. A. Good.

52:44

Stuff. That's good advice man

52:46

gets get the damn is a. So.

52:51

Around this time Rob starts to believe

52:53

that the politics are sorted, driving him

52:55

knives and is ruining his wrestling experience

52:57

with the know your bf and and

52:59

so this is because his can say

53:01

are in one ear and Paul in

53:03

the other. A full lucky sort

53:05

of being pulled into different directions here

53:08

and given different advice from two different

53:10

guys. That. Seem like

53:12

a familiar situation with those two characters.

53:14

Paul Ncr. I could

53:16

definitely see it. absolutely because I can

53:18

see Paul going in and with ios

53:20

can like that. The devil on one

53:23

shoulder angel on the other shoulder. In

53:25

this case, I don't know which one's

53:27

the angel, which one's the devil. However,

53:29

I can definitely see Paul. Telling.

53:32

Me to help you guys your career serve

53:34

and you need to do this. And they

53:36

said that since this that the other thing

53:38

and then I can see Jr come in

53:40

on the other side let them know a

53:42

man you know. Wow Logan out you. they're

53:44

more your guts. Best interest in our. Own.

53:47

Keep it that so. Yeah.

53:49

I could see that happening with those two,

53:51

definitely, And in a poll specially. Of

53:55

instantly Rob loses the twenty

53:57

four Seven role. Is the.

54:00

The he loses the Hardcore title,

54:02

he's actually wrestling Kurt Angle. But.

54:04

Several people get involved and Jeff

54:06

Hardy actually comes away victorious. So.

54:08

In A Mass Yeah with current Angle Jeff Hardy

54:10

the Champion. Our Science for the

54:12

Summer Slam goes down August nineteenth two thousand

54:15

and one in San Jose Jose. Our read

54:17

the beating Jeff and a ladder match to

54:19

regain the Hard for title. And.

54:21

White Killer says they went sixteen minutes

54:23

and thirty three seconds. He gave it

54:26

three and a half stars. Are

54:28

those are pretty good Mass lots of

54:30

crazy bombs. They're pulling out all the

54:33

stops. Sunset flips off the top of

54:35

a ladder and other silliness. Wasn't.

54:37

Think of as much. I've. A

54:41

ladder match as a tables ladders

54:43

and shares matches cause it just

54:45

so damn dangerous. and then you

54:47

throw two guys like Rob Van

54:49

Damme, Jeff Hardy in the ring

54:51

on who are willing to push

54:53

those boundaries as far as they

54:55

possibly can. and I just hate

54:57

seeing guys get hurt. But. They.

55:00

Threw caution to the when and they went

55:02

out there and they kicked each other's asks.

55:04

They looked real. You know why? Because.

55:06

It was real and. Gas

55:10

and rob man they. Put.

55:13

Their bodies on the line out there and it

55:15

was a damn incredible matches One of those afterwards

55:17

you just want to go off to home and

55:19

hug humans. Are you okay? Well.

55:23

Though we're okay because I do a rematch

55:25

two days later on my gmail and is

55:27

pretty famous by hear. Them. As hands

55:29

when Rv these on the table outside of

55:32

the ring. Jeff qualms to the top of

55:34

a very tall either interested in a swan

55:36

time for Rob moves and Jeff crisis through

55:38

the table. Pretty. Memorable spot here

55:41

as a hell a thing to be doing today

55:43

that for ladder mass and summer slam as a

55:45

not. Absolutely. Because

55:47

they were already been up from

55:49

a ladder match in there are

55:51

ready to party in. So I

55:53

said putting them out there again

55:55

and putting them in that position.

55:57

but. Yeah. We did and. Yeah,

56:00

nobody blame but myself and.

56:03

Yeah, them busting their ass man

56:05

and they continued to wanna one

56:07

up their last performance every time

56:09

they went out there. So.

56:12

Let's talk a little bit about he I

56:14

guess in a something that were have to

56:17

talk about. Politics. And

56:19

the dairy of Iaf has always

56:21

been sort of Robs chief issue.

56:24

And. He's working a lot a house show

56:26

masses against Christie or Co. And he

56:28

says the chris was very political. And.

56:31

He felt like Jericho with sort of talk

56:33

down to him and cons sand. And

56:35

even not change finishes.

56:38

Talk. To me a little bit about. Their.

56:40

Interaction. With.

56:42

You know, was this just two guys who.

56:44

Felt. Like they are jockeying for position for

56:46

the same spot. Or. How would

56:49

you care for their relationship and first

56:51

year ago this time. He

56:53

I never knew that there was

56:55

a strained relationship between Christened Rob

56:57

and I think that you know

56:59

Chris Jericho is a pretty in

57:01

your face county guy and. He's

57:04

go tell you what he thinks and if

57:06

he's gonna go is gonna fight for his

57:08

spot and he's gonna fight for what he

57:10

thinks is right in. That may rub some

57:13

people the wrong way. Rob. Kind

57:15

of a laid back guy lotta times,

57:17

but same time. I think that Rob

57:19

carries a lot of it inside and

57:21

will let it, will let it boil

57:23

inside before bringing it out. But.

57:26

Same. Time he'll tell you what

57:28

he feels and I think Rob

57:30

was frustrated for a lot of

57:32

his run just in general. Because.

57:35

Rob. Can wants to goes own

57:37

way and and. Didn't. Like

57:39

being told what to do. And. When Jericho

57:41

try to change one of these

57:43

fantasies, he goes to Fear Family.

57:46

And has fit sort of back him up on it.

57:49

And when fear comes and tells Rob

57:51

he says ah fucking I'm scorn home.

57:54

Around this time disease start to feel like maybe

57:56

the wheels were running off for Rob when he

57:58

would start to say. this going on i

58:00

was is a different time with lost his don't

58:03

matter like be used to but. When.

58:05

A guy gets under your skin. He sort of

58:07

just don't want to do anything for that motherfucker

58:09

anymore, right? Well when it's

58:11

Somalis answer is yeah, want to go

58:13

home Which by the way, I don't

58:15

know that Rob ever said that. You

58:17

know to me like that or to

58:19

anybody else in a position really a

58:21

power, he may have felt that way.

58:24

And he may have said it other people. And

58:27

definitely there were times when I

58:29

know Rob was frustrated and frustrated

58:31

with me. In particular, I'm sure

58:34

we'll talk about that here in

58:36

this episode. but ah, I

58:39

don't remember him you ever threatening to go home

58:41

but if if he did that would be something and

58:43

if he made that know in the locker room

58:45

that got out and people probably would say okay why

58:47

we wasting time with him if he wants to go

58:49

home. He has

58:51

really started feature in know on September

58:53

fourth mag. Now he gets to win

58:55

over the World champion Stone Cold Steve

58:58

Austin. Clean. In the middle. And.

59:00

Have been a. Lot. Ways it's almost

59:02

like a very mass insert. The mega

59:04

Star Nice interview. I guess the

59:07

biggest star and every to be history and

59:09

Rob gets the when. Also thinking

59:11

here and putting rob over Stone Cold

59:13

and September. A

59:16

test the Santa see you know what that reaction

59:18

would be and see how people were going to

59:20

buy at. The chemistry also see

59:22

with the chemistry was receive an hour

59:24

B D. To. See what

59:26

we had? Their. So. Doled out

59:29

there and find out. A.

59:31

Almost felt like you guys were really running

59:33

a test to see. Good. We

59:35

sort of position him as may be like

59:37

a new later for the alliance and have

59:39

Austin and Van Dam sort of food was

59:41

that may be an idea of. In

59:43

or see how this goes. A. T

59:45

The. The.

59:48

Alliance stuff with Steve

59:50

and Rob to me.

59:53

Was. Where.

59:55

I. Really? Fell.

59:58

In love with Rv. Because. I

1:00:01

need really known that well you know,

1:00:04

just kind of superficially. However, we were

1:00:06

doing stuff with Steven Steven still in

1:00:08

the stuff with his watch, new in

1:00:10

the watch and listen to his watch

1:00:12

and everything were seen. Am tells Rob

1:00:14

just act natural, just react in and

1:00:17

play with it because I. Was

1:00:19

in a big one for scripts. is buying

1:00:21

a worse would tell you. So.

1:00:24

I would let the guys freestyle lot

1:00:26

of times if it works we went

1:00:28

with it to seize look at his

1:00:30

watch, put his watch up to his

1:00:32

ear an Rv D takes the Watson

1:00:34

puts the watch up his years I've

1:00:37

we listen to math but it was

1:00:39

it was real and it was something

1:00:41

that think everybody wanted to do but

1:00:43

they're looking for a script and or

1:00:45

I wasn't told to do that in

1:00:47

auto. Rob free saw with it and

1:00:49

he did any was good steam and

1:00:51

Rob had a chemistry. In Backstage

1:00:53

in the vignettes In that's what led

1:00:55

us to go. There may be something

1:00:58

here. And. Which

1:01:00

is good chemistry. In their match,

1:01:02

Steve take them and Dominator and gets

1:01:04

busted open in the process. Allegedly

1:01:06

Steve had no problem put them over

1:01:08

and knew that he was gonna get

1:01:10

cut open hear. Any

1:01:13

sort of blowback from that The think you're

1:01:15

cutting your biggest star. Know.

1:01:18

I mean again. Steve. Steve.

1:01:21

Had no problem with it and I don't know the

1:01:23

news going to get busted open but he knew that

1:01:25

chair was common. Shit.

1:01:28

Happens when a ballet. On

1:01:30

the September tenth Thrall Rob lives of the

1:01:32

hardcore time with her dying or by tapping

1:01:34

out of ankle lock of Top of the

1:01:36

ramp and after the match asked them throw

1:01:38

some both off the stage. For the

1:01:41

Rv, the pins angle to regain the title

1:01:43

was as cow fine. As. Really

1:01:45

building momentum. Here we list appreciate

1:01:47

he's having matches. With. Both

1:01:49

Angle and Steve Austin. Ah,

1:01:52

I'm. The. Sort of an

1:01:54

interesting story that he had. Around

1:01:56

Nine Eleven, he was traveling

1:01:58

with Mike. Awesome! And.

1:02:01

Of course, Nine Eleven happens. And

1:02:04

their way out in San Antonio now

1:02:06

where they live. And

1:02:08

I'm. Asked

1:02:10

us going down and will talk about that.

1:02:12

have another episode because there's a whole story

1:02:14

here that we'd like to share. But

1:02:17

that first smackdown in Houston on

1:02:20

September thirtieth is really the first

1:02:22

public assembly in the country since

1:02:24

the attacks happened. And. Alma

1:02:26

Match or oh man I. Rob.

1:02:29

A spike badly. And.

1:02:32

I'd love to tell the story. Of.

1:02:34

Nine Eleven do you want to sort of give? Everybody

1:02:36

may be a teaser of what we might be covering

1:02:38

if we have. Recover that my limits. My gmail. Ah

1:02:42

wow. Will Actually okay. I'll

1:02:44

give you a little. I'll give you a

1:02:46

little tease. Actually on

1:02:49

Nine Eleven within

1:02:51

hours. Of. Planes

1:02:54

flying in to the World

1:02:56

Trade Center is horrible tragedy.

1:02:59

I. Was on the phone and I had the.

1:03:03

The. Happenstance to

1:03:05

be on the phone with

1:03:07

President Bush's handler now the

1:03:09

father who which the and

1:03:11

recipes Barbara Bush she was

1:03:13

wonderful lady, had the pleasure

1:03:15

meeting or and traveling with

1:03:17

her grey Grey Lady and

1:03:19

should be sorely missed. But

1:03:21

or husband President Bush. Was.

1:03:25

A good friend of and of Mattress

1:03:27

Mack we talked about on the show

1:03:29

and in the midst of all these

1:03:31

crazy things happening are or show been

1:03:33

cancelled and not knowing what the hell's

1:03:36

going on. There is business

1:03:38

things that have to happen as well

1:03:40

and I happen to find myself on.

1:03:43

A phone. With. Mr.

1:03:45

Bush, President Bush's handler and

1:03:47

while everything's going on. I

1:03:50

asked the question. Could.

1:03:53

The President make the show if we have it

1:03:55

live on Thursday. And

1:03:58

if you guys would ever an elbow. That

1:04:00

I'll tell you what happened

1:04:02

after that. Ah, the handlers

1:04:04

reaction. Vince Mcmahon reaction, Stephanie

1:04:07

reaction, and what actually happened

1:04:09

that day. But Nine Eleven

1:04:11

was a horrible tragedy in

1:04:13

America and. To me,

1:04:15

that day was so day impersonal.

1:04:17

But we were able to pull

1:04:19

off the first public assembly in

1:04:22

the United States in Houston two

1:04:24

days later. And we got! We

1:04:26

got the blessing from. From.

1:04:28

The White House to okay you know

1:04:30

was a score Hindu This We got

1:04:32

the blessing from everyone in Houston that

1:04:34

they were willing to do it and

1:04:36

accept the responsibility with shit loads, the

1:04:38

security and with the hoops and we

1:04:40

had to jump through the actually. Have

1:04:43

that a bath take place. Was

1:04:46

magnificent in and of itself but the

1:04:49

is one of those you know where

1:04:51

were you when that happened And and

1:04:53

I was in vince of mans room

1:04:56

and we watched the second plane hit

1:04:58

Together Lives so it is it was.

1:05:00

I was an incredible day. Well

1:05:04

after this they start the season.

1:05:06

On screen romance with Robin Down

1:05:08

and Stephanie Mcmahon Helmsley who is

1:05:10

the on screen owner of a

1:05:12

C W and and story line

1:05:14

married interpolate. At this time

1:05:16

ah trips as out with the tar

1:05:18

clive. But. They're not yet married

1:05:21

in real life. Ah,

1:05:23

I'm this feels like a Vince Mcmahon

1:05:25

idea. Who came off with Rob Van

1:05:27

Damme being in a romantic relationship with

1:05:29

Stephanie? It was answering

1:05:31

mans idea because he wanted more emotion

1:05:34

out of Rv D and he felt

1:05:36

that Rob was too one dimensional. And

1:05:39

felt that if there was a. A

1:05:42

love interest or or

1:05:44

a relationship. That. We

1:05:46

could get more out of Rob so

1:05:48

it was up to me to make

1:05:50

that pitch so. The. Pits

1:05:53

happens. and rob at

1:05:55

the time was married and he himself

1:05:57

would say he had an insecure wife

1:06:00

who was giving him shit anytime an attractive

1:06:02

woman was even nearby. So

1:06:04

now that there's gonna be some sort of romance

1:06:06

on TV while she's not there, maybe

1:06:09

that's not the best idea. And allegedly he

1:06:11

shares that with you and you say, oh

1:06:14

that's good. I didn't know, I mean

1:06:16

I don't know unless you tell me. So if you

1:06:18

tell me what you're comfortable with or not tell me,

1:06:20

you know that's the difference. So now that I know

1:06:22

what you're comfortable with, I know we

1:06:24

have something we can work with, we'll figure it out.

1:06:27

So he gets to the building the next week and

1:06:30

Ryan gives him the script and

1:06:34

it's the exact same thing and

1:06:36

it even goes a little further than what he was

1:06:38

told it would be at first. I'll

1:06:40

let you take the story from here Bruce. Oh

1:06:43

well the story goes, Rob wanted to kill

1:06:45

me. Rob

1:06:48

wanted to do the famous pick a

1:06:50

hand with me and knock

1:06:52

my head off. But the story

1:06:54

that has never been told on the

1:06:56

other side of that was I did

1:06:58

go back and share Rob's concerns because

1:07:02

when you go to a talent you ask him,

1:07:04

okay do you have any problems with this angle

1:07:06

or this story that we're

1:07:08

going to tell? And Rob had concerns, he didn't want

1:07:10

to do it. In

1:07:12

his real life situation, he

1:07:15

didn't feel comfortable doing it, he didn't want to do

1:07:17

it and I made that known.

1:07:20

Vince's reaction to that was, we

1:07:22

make movies damn it, this

1:07:25

is make believe and he's an actor,

1:07:27

he's god damn it, he's portraying a

1:07:29

character and it's not real.

1:07:33

Well that's tough to explain to

1:07:35

the significant other on the other

1:07:38

side that's sitting at home that

1:07:40

has seen their real life husband

1:07:42

on a quote reality type television

1:07:44

show interacting with

1:07:46

another female. And it's

1:07:48

again when you mix

1:07:50

reality and fantasy it's

1:07:52

a tough mixture. But I had brought it

1:07:54

up and Vince was going to talk to

1:07:57

Rob about it. However, Brian

1:07:59

got to Rob Before Vince got to

1:08:01

rob him. Before I got to rob. And

1:08:04

so allegedly. When. He

1:08:06

sees this. He. Takes great offense

1:08:08

and food. What? You guys have a strong fuck

1:08:10

with him and he says something to Brian like.

1:08:13

Who. Don't have the spies across the face

1:08:15

is you? And. Allegedly

1:08:17

Brian can always say no, no, no,

1:08:19

this is her family I said now

1:08:22

this is Bruce's and Rob says the

1:08:24

where's he at talking about you. And

1:08:26

Brian says please don't smoke

1:08:28

Bruce and Rob again says

1:08:31

whereas yet. And allegedly a

1:08:33

says he's gonna from finds you'd say pick

1:08:35

a hand and sort of. The backstory on

1:08:37

that is wants one of times has he

1:08:39

was a a locker and tough guy and

1:08:41

everybody knew that. Allegedly had

1:08:43

a little bit of a skirmish with

1:08:46

Rob Van Dam. And Rob

1:08:48

said pick a hand. And

1:08:50

when he their didn't. A.

1:08:53

Slap the shit out at as. And.

1:08:56

They. Were cool after that been sorted as

1:08:58

hit the reset button on the relationship and

1:09:01

there was mutual respect. For.

1:09:03

Allegedly he's looking for you here because he thought

1:09:06

he doesn't want to do this. He said you

1:09:08

take care of it and now it's still happening

1:09:10

and it's worse. So. He wants to

1:09:12

play pick a hand. Did you see him that I.

1:09:15

I. Did see him that day and thank god

1:09:17

as employed pick and within. Our

1:09:19

you slap my Rob Van Damme. Especially

1:09:22

when he's pissed off was probably don't

1:09:24

these are you against land mine mine

1:09:26

I did see him. I think Stephanie

1:09:28

got to infer southern been scared to

1:09:30

home and eat. Calm down by the

1:09:32

time he ever got to me. But.

1:09:35

I was actually looking for Rob first.

1:09:38

Before Brian even got doomed to let

1:09:40

him know I. Gonna. Bring into

1:09:43

Vance and like Vince explain to him because

1:09:45

been sad his vision of what he wanted

1:09:47

Rob to do. And.

1:09:49

I had explained Rob's position in why

1:09:51

he didn't wanna do it in bands,

1:09:53

was adamant that he was robbed to

1:09:55

do this and he would talk to

1:09:57

him. So I wanted to get robbed

1:09:59

first. Bring him into Bans. Ryan

1:10:01

got robbed first can of thinking that.

1:10:04

I. Guess. The. We'd already gotten

1:10:06

to Rob and the he was cool

1:10:08

with it. But yeah, thank god cooler

1:10:10

heads prevailed because I'd probably have had

1:10:13

a probably would have picked the last

1:10:15

one. And. That

1:10:17

would hurt the shit out of the right side

1:10:19

of my face, but. Either.

1:10:21

One I'm not sure really. wanna. Wanna.

1:10:24

Take push right with even Stephanie was trying

1:10:26

to sell at hey this is this acting

1:10:28

and will do a funny. Like. I'm

1:10:30

after you, but you'll be oblivious and

1:10:32

and sorta. In. Your Own

1:10:34

World. Meanwhile, Jericho extravagant my

1:10:37

pants. And. She's all about Rv.

1:10:39

The but Rv The is all about

1:10:41

army The and then the angle to

1:10:43

sort of fades away. Oh.

1:10:45

Where was this going? I mean when they gonna

1:10:47

make. The. Larvae the babies are

1:10:49

born the themselves knows it was a

1:10:51

love triangle and it was a it

1:10:54

was a story of to play out

1:10:56

on television but Rob wasn't comfortable with

1:10:58

it. We didn't do it so I

1:11:00

mean that was the end of it.

1:11:02

He moved on. There was a way

1:11:04

to just further their characters and tell

1:11:06

a story and I think everybody can

1:11:09

relate to someone having a crush on

1:11:11

him and and relationship stories. Been

1:11:13

forgiven pay previous than September Twenty

1:11:15

Third and Pittsburgh an Rv be read:

1:11:18

Scirocco here in hardcore math retain the

1:11:20

title. And. The next title role is

1:11:22

Challenging Iraq for that. Every says of you are

1:11:24

all final. And it's the first ever

1:11:26

singles match between I'm in the first time. The

1:11:29

Rov officially has oral final mass weapons of mass

1:11:31

of the the course was. Non. Title.

1:11:33

Of course Rock wins the match.

1:11:36

Add This is the first time. That.

1:11:39

These gathered say off busy See money in

1:11:41

that match? I'm in it is sort of

1:11:43

find the look back at this time and

1:11:45

say. Man. Robs working with Jeff

1:11:47

Hardy working with current Angle is working

1:11:49

with Chris Jericho is working with the

1:11:51

Rocky Beat So Cold. You're pulling

1:11:53

out all the stops here for him. Would you

1:11:55

think of his? Match. Here with

1:11:58

the rock. auto the You

1:12:01

know, I don't I don't think you

1:12:03

can put your finger on and say hey man

1:12:07

that was a bad match with Rob and

1:12:09

maybe that's because it's like Everybody's

1:12:12

gonna shit all over me for this one. I

1:12:14

look at John Cena You know, I like John

1:12:16

Cena because he doesn't work like everybody else. He's

1:12:18

half-assed clumsy in the ring He looks like he's

1:12:21

clumsy, but he knows what the hell he's doing

1:12:23

and he's different. So I like

1:12:25

that. He's unique That's what I loved about

1:12:27

Van Dam. All of his stuff looked good

1:12:30

So probably too good because it

1:12:32

was probably snug, but he was

1:12:34

different in everything that he did

1:12:36

He locked up different he locked up snug

1:12:39

and it felt real man And it was

1:12:42

just the way that he

1:12:44

handled himself that you could you

1:12:46

like the guy easy to

1:12:49

like On

1:12:52

the October 2nd smackdown Rob Van Dam

1:12:54

gets a win over the WWF world

1:12:56

champion Kurt Angle and The

1:12:59

stipulation here is if Rob

1:13:01

Van Dam beats Kurt Angle It's

1:13:03

stone cold Steve Austin gets a title

1:13:05

match against angle for the

1:13:07

title on Monday Night Raw Austin

1:13:10

beat angle a few days later and becomes

1:13:12

the world champion and it

1:13:14

all was set up by RVD beating the champ

1:13:16

again This time in Kurt Angle. Let's

1:13:19

fast forward a few days on October

1:13:21

7th Rob Van Dam beat

1:13:23

Raven in a hardcore match and

1:13:25

I bring this up because allegedly after

1:13:27

the match Raven Sort of

1:13:29

corners Rob and say why did you hit me with the

1:13:31

seam of the trash can an

1:13:33

RVT allegedly says? Oh the half seams

1:13:37

How great is that? Yeah. Well, I

1:13:39

can see that too The

1:13:42

October 15th raw he's again challenging the

1:13:45

rock for the WCW title And

1:13:47

he wins when Stephanie gets involved. What

1:13:50

did the rock think of working with

1:13:52

Rob Van Dam? As

1:13:55

far as I know I think the rock enjoyed working

1:13:57

with Van Dam because he was fun

1:13:59

to work with You know,

1:14:01

if you like that style and I

1:14:03

think rock their styles kind

1:14:05

of meshed and they have good

1:14:08

matches. Hey, speaking of the rock, when

1:14:10

I was at Foley show the other night, there's a guy

1:14:12

in the crowd who, you know, they're doing

1:14:14

a Q and a portion and the

1:14:16

guy stands up and says, I just want to

1:14:18

let you know, you're my favorite wrestler of all

1:14:20

time. And of course, Foley thanks him and says,

1:14:22

hypothetically, what would you say

1:14:24

if the rock were sitting here instead of

1:14:26

me? And everybody sort of laughs and the

1:14:28

guy who's a listener says, Oh, definitely top

1:14:30

five, top five. But

1:14:36

let's talk a little bit about the reactions

1:14:38

that Rob is getting during this time. Arguably

1:14:41

in his match with the rock,

1:14:44

he's getting as many or

1:14:46

maybe more cheers than the rock. Was

1:14:49

there ever any consideration with making him

1:14:51

the guy here? Because it feels like

1:14:53

you're almost there. He's working

1:14:55

with the rock. He's beat Austin. He's beat angle.

1:14:59

Was there ever consideration in late oh one to

1:15:01

just saying, fuck it. We got to just

1:15:03

try this. Paul

1:15:06

Heyman made that. And again, this may be

1:15:08

a situation of, as I've

1:15:10

stated before, where someone in your corner can

1:15:12

work to your detriment and

1:15:15

Paul was in Rob's corner a

1:15:18

lot, you know, maybe to his

1:15:20

detriment sometimes saying, you know,

1:15:22

Rob, that damn is the only one that can

1:15:24

carry this company. We need to do something new

1:15:26

with Rob Van Dam. So to

1:15:30

that extent, it may

1:15:32

have hurt Rob's chances more than

1:15:34

help them sometimes when Paul would

1:15:36

get on Vince's nerves. We

1:15:39

did discuss it and we did look at

1:15:41

Rob as potentially being that guy timing

1:15:44

Vince wanted to get him over more.

1:15:46

Vince felt that he needed more time.

1:15:49

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building towards the October 1st

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no mercy pay-per-view. And

1:18:49

on the way here, he's technically

1:18:51

healed because he's with the Alliance, but he's

1:18:53

getting cheered so much. And so they're sort

1:18:55

of teasing some things. And on the go-home episode

1:18:58

of SmackDown, before that event, we see

1:19:00

RVD getting out of a limo with Vince and

1:19:02

he frog splashes Austin at the end of the

1:19:04

show, sort of planting the seeds of

1:19:06

doubt that he might be defecting to the WWF

1:19:08

and maybe winning the title. Well,

1:19:11

they have a three-way match here. And in

1:19:14

this match, it's Stone Cold Steve Austin defending

1:19:16

his title against both Kurt Angle

1:19:19

and Rob Van Dam. Of course,

1:19:21

Austin gets the win after hitting

1:19:23

RVD with the stunner. It's a

1:19:25

big deal to headline a pay-per-view, especially knowing

1:19:27

you just debuted in July. Here you are

1:19:29

in October and you're working on top on

1:19:31

pay-per-view with the biggest star in the business

1:19:33

and the next big thing and Kurt Angle.

1:19:36

What do you remember about their match?

1:19:38

It feels like a pretty memorable match

1:19:41

if you go back and watch it,

1:19:43

but I don't know that people still talk about

1:19:45

it maybe the way they should. Wade Keller dug

1:19:47

it. He gave it three and three quarters, but

1:19:50

it certainly felt like you guys were at

1:19:52

least maybe considering the idea of Rob Van

1:19:54

Dam win here, but RVD

1:19:56

himself would say, I just felt

1:19:59

like the third wheel. How was the added

1:20:01

attraction to an already existing feud? Well,

1:20:05

you know what? He was. And

1:20:07

that's probably a correct feeling

1:20:09

because Vince didn't really think that Rob

1:20:11

was over yet but was willing to

1:20:13

try it on and put him in

1:20:15

this position to see how he'd do.

1:20:19

The jury was still out. So

1:20:21

that feeling, I think, was justified on

1:20:23

Rob's part that, you know, maybe

1:20:25

they're just putting me in here and Rob

1:20:27

wasn't feeling it really. And it was a

1:20:30

force. But at the same time, there was

1:20:32

such great chemistry with those three guys. And

1:20:35

it was a groundswell that we didn't

1:20:37

expect that was taking place underneath

1:20:40

all this that you really couldn't deny. I

1:20:44

mean, to the point that Austin allegedly backstage tells

1:20:46

him one day, he had their bath of strap

1:20:48

or rocket ship to your back. Was

1:20:51

there, I mean, you told us that Paul was

1:20:53

sort of campaigning for him. Was there anybody trying

1:20:55

to undermine that that you recall? Was there anybody

1:20:57

who was like, I don't buy it? You

1:21:00

know, I don't think that Triple H was completely sold

1:21:02

on him and didn't feel that he was over to

1:21:05

that extent. I don't think that Vince really felt that

1:21:07

he was over to that extent. And

1:21:09

I think that on Vince's part,

1:21:12

that it was more of a, he just

1:21:15

wasn't feeling it, but it was also, my

1:21:18

opinion was Paul pushing so damn

1:21:20

hard that that made Vince push

1:21:22

away. Let me ask you this. Who

1:21:25

was Triple H pushing for at the time?

1:21:27

Like who did he say, Oh, this

1:21:29

guy here, let me put him over this. This

1:21:32

should be our top guy. Probably,

1:21:35

I don't know. Probably Austin and rock

1:21:37

probably at that time. They

1:21:39

were the top guys. It just feels

1:21:41

funny to me that I, first of

1:21:43

all, I appreciate you saying that because I didn't

1:21:45

expect you to say it, but the narrative online

1:21:48

has always been Triple H fucking hell. Rob

1:21:50

Van Dam back. And he wasn't

1:21:52

a big fan when he first came in. He

1:21:54

definitely was not a big fan of Van Dam's

1:21:56

and didn't get it. He liked Rob,

1:21:58

but he wasn't A big fan. Fan of

1:22:00

his work in didn't think that he

1:22:02

was over to the extent that the

1:22:05

i guess the internet crowd and. Paul.

1:22:09

For example, Would. Push

1:22:11

him to be. So.

1:22:14

Do you think that maybe some of

1:22:16

Aaa says reluctance to sort of by

1:22:18

an. Was. Based on him,

1:22:20

just bans on S. de Paul Heyman.

1:22:25

Ah yes! I

1:22:28

don't know. I really don't know you know

1:22:30

there was. There's also the. The.

1:22:32

Reality of trying to get

1:22:34

promos out of our V

1:22:36

d sometimes were a tour

1:22:38

and. I think that guys

1:22:40

would get lazy and go with the

1:22:43

you know, oh cool dude and go

1:22:45

with the stoner. Almost

1:22:48

answers instead of.

1:22:50

Said. Rob be romp to slip

1:22:53

robbed be Rob in he can

1:22:55

be a sarcastic the up quit

1:22:57

they are. Pretty. Damn

1:22:59

entertaining guy on his own. However, when

1:23:02

they would write things of what they

1:23:04

saw for Rb d Buzzing, Get it?

1:23:07

They. Didn't get it and it's kinda like

1:23:09

Cm Punk. he was the same situation. what's

1:23:11

the Cm Punk? the on what was an

1:23:14

Rv? D Will they all new? Rom like

1:23:16

smoke dope, So sonar and he's laid back

1:23:18

and he cool and that's what he does

1:23:20

backstage. So let's put that. On.

1:23:22

Air. But. If you

1:23:24

let robbed go and you just

1:23:27

started talking to him, he's quick,

1:23:29

he's funny, But. Man is

1:23:31

gonna needs to and. And.

1:23:35

Oh no than he ever got the

1:23:37

chance. with the exception of the stuff

1:23:39

that he did. With. Austin.

1:23:42

And that alliance to really ever.

1:23:46

Display. That my opinion. Whether.

1:23:50

Still put them over and a big way. I'm in

1:23:52

the night after this. No Mercy Pay per view is

1:23:54

working with big show and is one of them or

1:23:57

three to finish his. It's a hard core mass as

1:23:59

one of the worker the to finish his I remember.

1:24:02

Rv. Be has a fire

1:24:04

extinguisher. Any. Try to suited

1:24:06

into Big says face but Big shows Hold

1:24:08

up a chair to block the far things

1:24:11

here. And. Then bam disband emanates

1:24:13

the fuck out of thing takes him

1:24:15

in his face is avast are frogs

1:24:17

wire skids the ban pretty creative famous.

1:24:20

Ah, Monday I think that was a

1:24:23

fit thinly finish and on know for

1:24:25

sure. but I did love that I

1:24:27

remember that vividly. Biggest slippers. On

1:24:30

go back to watch band and does take the

1:24:32

living shit out of the chair which is funny

1:24:34

shit to. You. Are some

1:24:36

high profile stuff? Agreement On Smackdown October: Twenty

1:24:38

Thirty pounds, The Rock and a hard core

1:24:41

title My As. I get the

1:24:43

shot for as as Intercontinental title October twenty ninth

1:24:45

what he does have my hit. Ah

1:24:47

Money does retain his Hardcore title

1:24:50

on Smackdown on October thirtieth. He.

1:24:52

Beats is all for and tabs on November

1:24:54

third and fourth. And. He beats

1:24:56

came on Nov. Thirteen plus gets

1:24:59

a November eighteenth with was Survivor

1:25:01

Series. Will. Get Team Alliance was

1:25:03

his Rv, The Austin Angle, Booker T

1:25:05

and Dudley is. Losing.

1:25:08

Team during the Of Yeah which

1:25:10

is Rock, Undertaker T, Jericho, and

1:25:12

Big Show. Ah, a

1:25:14

lot aghast all that. This is

1:25:16

the idea. For. The Invasion

1:25:18

and this is essentially. What? Everybody

1:25:20

thought would be the biggest thing in

1:25:22

the history of wrestling. The have. A

1:25:25

seat of you and overseas of you Under review

1:25:27

F T V. But I think

1:25:29

everybody sort of new. Medicines.

1:25:32

Young ones that with a very of yeah fear. Of

1:25:35

sure your talk about the invasion and

1:25:37

this particular pay per view. in more

1:25:39

detail. What? Do you remember about

1:25:41

this man's where are we The was eliminated. By

1:25:44

Jericho, but the he himself got to

1:25:46

eliminate came in the process. Not a

1:25:48

whole lot other than by the time

1:25:51

we got to Survivor Series, Vince was

1:25:53

done with the whole alliance playing against

1:25:55

or be. The Bf and men was

1:25:57

just tired of it and Dell did.

1:26:00

was a failed experiment and we needed to

1:26:02

move on. So just cut

1:26:05

the cord, move on next. The

1:26:08

next night on Raw he loses a

1:26:10

handicap match two on one to the

1:26:12

Dudley's and then on

1:26:15

SmackDown he loses a

1:26:17

handicap match to Jericho in the Dudley's but

1:26:19

he's teaming with The Rock here. So even

1:26:21

though he's been losing efforts still

1:26:23

positioned as a big time top guy.

1:26:26

Let's go to the Vengeance pay-per-view December 9, 2001. This

1:26:30

is where he finally loses this

1:26:32

hardcore title and he

1:26:34

does it against the newly

1:26:36

turned heel Undertaker. Undertaker

1:26:38

beat him in 11 minutes and

1:26:40

8 seconds. According to the Torch,

1:26:44

Wade gave it three and a quarter stars.

1:26:46

It does feel like a clash of styles here

1:26:48

and it's sort of fun to see like a

1:26:51

rolling thunder on the Undertaker. You just don't

1:26:53

imagine that that's the thing. What

1:26:55

do you remember about this match at Vengeance 01? Well

1:26:59

it was a clash of styles

1:27:01

however Undertaker really wanted to work

1:27:03

with RVD and thought that that

1:27:05

clash of styles, the different type

1:27:08

styles would complement each

1:27:10

other. In my opinion it did because

1:27:12

Taker being a brawler you don't expect

1:27:14

that kind of style and to

1:27:16

be able to get Undertaker off of his game.

1:27:19

Rob with all of his flips and flies

1:27:21

and all the bullshit that RVD does was

1:27:23

another way to attack the Undertaker that had

1:27:26

never been done before. I

1:27:29

remember Paul was just so dead

1:27:31

set against the Undertaker RVD

1:27:34

match because he thought Taker would eat

1:27:36

RVD up and it was to

1:27:39

the contrary I thought that Taker really complimented Rob and

1:27:41

they had a hell of a match. Allegedly

1:27:47

on some episode or maybe just in private

1:27:49

I forget but you told me that this

1:27:52

is the match where Vince

1:27:54

McMahon sort of fell in love with RVD, is

1:27:57

matched with the Undertaker and they beat

1:27:59

the shit out of each other. other. Were

1:28:01

you in guerrilla? I mean, what was Vince's

1:28:04

reaction to this? He sort of

1:28:06

tell me more about this Vince falling

1:28:08

in love with RVD moment here. Good

1:28:12

shit. God damn it. They're

1:28:15

bringing it. Vince liked the

1:28:17

fact that, you know,

1:28:19

it was a different style. It was

1:28:21

a different side of Undertaker and felt

1:28:23

that RVD brought out

1:28:25

a different dimension in Undertaker and contrary

1:28:28

he thought that to the other side

1:28:30

he felt that Undertaker brought out a

1:28:33

different side of RVD and it was something

1:28:35

that he saw in the fact that Rob

1:28:37

hung in there with the Undertaker and that

1:28:39

they had such of a good match. It

1:28:41

made him think, alright, we got a player

1:28:43

here and Undertaker endorsing Van

1:28:45

Dam definitely helped too. So

1:28:48

let's talk about the little details here because

1:28:51

Rob sort of points to this match and

1:28:53

says this match is

1:28:55

one of the moments where you sort

1:28:57

of could showcase the difference between the

1:28:59

WWE and ECW. In ECW

1:29:01

they didn't really know what they were going to do. They would

1:29:03

just go out there and do it. But

1:29:05

with the WWF you had some more planned

1:29:07

stunts and so one of the things they

1:29:09

did here is a crossbody from the bleachers

1:29:12

to the Undertaker and they fall onto a

1:29:14

bunch of stuff and you

1:29:16

guys had your magic folks load

1:29:18

up a bunch of baby powder underneath it

1:29:20

so it creates a visual effect and

1:29:23

nobody would have ever even thought of that in ECW.

1:29:25

I think it's pretty

1:29:27

cool when a wrestler goes out of his way

1:29:29

to sort of talk about the behind-the-scenes production

1:29:31

folks who helped make that happen. Would that

1:29:33

have been a Richie Posner deal? I don't

1:29:36

know if Richie was, yeah, it would have

1:29:39

been a Richie Posner deal. I was gonna

1:29:41

say, I don't know if Richie was here

1:29:43

at this time but he definitely was and

1:29:45

yeah that would have been something that Richie

1:29:47

would have had and we were all about

1:29:49

you know making the effect. You got to

1:29:51

think television and you have to think what's

1:29:54

gonna read on TV and be the best

1:29:56

visual for television and that's what we did.

1:30:00

So they're going to December 17th

1:30:02

here and RVD is wrestling Jericho

1:30:04

for the undisputed title and Rick

1:30:07

flair is the special guest referee.

1:30:10

RVD winds up winning by the hue and around

1:30:13

this same time, allegedly. Johnny

1:30:16

ace is trying to get Rob Van Dam

1:30:18

to sorta let the crowd know when he's

1:30:20

getting fired up, when he's bad, they

1:30:22

don't want you to see, you know, the

1:30:25

laid back RVD all the time.

1:30:28

So he says, when you've had too much, you just

1:30:30

sort of snap like old school

1:30:32

Jerry Lawler would pull down the strap. Maybe

1:30:35

you could take out your ponytail.

1:30:38

Do you remember there being

1:30:41

a conversation about him not

1:30:43

showing enough fire and that being sort of

1:30:45

a soapbox deal for Johnny ace with Rob?

1:30:48

Well, it wasn't necessarily a

1:30:50

soapbox deal with Johnny ace. It

1:30:52

was a soapbox soap box deal

1:30:54

with Vince McMahon. And

1:30:56

I had the guy,

1:30:59

I had the same conversations with Rob about, you

1:31:01

know, what pisses you off? Um,

1:31:04

we need to see more emotion. We need to see more

1:31:07

range. We need to see anger. We need to see happiness.

1:31:09

We need to see fear. We need to see a

1:31:11

range of emotions from you. Rob's

1:31:14

response was, is if I tell you what

1:31:16

pisses me off, then you'll have power over

1:31:18

me. So no, I'm not gonna, I'm not

1:31:20

going to give you that power. I'm not going

1:31:22

to tell you what pisses me off. You know, I'll

1:31:24

do what I think I need to do. Um,

1:31:28

so Johnny, you know,

1:31:31

took that from conversations that we all had

1:31:33

about trying to help our BD and get

1:31:35

more of a range out of him, probably

1:31:37

took it upon himself to make it his

1:31:39

own, but that was coming from Vince and

1:31:41

that was coming from creative, just wanting to

1:31:44

see more emotion out of our BD. Allegedly,

1:31:48

everybody's coming up to him at TV that

1:31:50

day before the master Jericho saying, you gotta

1:31:52

get angry. Don't forget to be angry, be

1:31:54

angry. Think of things that make you mad,

1:31:57

be angry. And Supposedly Jericho

1:31:59

says, right. before they go out. Imagine

1:32:02

a hit on your wife. And.

1:32:04

That really pissed Rob off to the point

1:32:06

that he had though actually cool down afterwards

1:32:08

because he was really in the moment at

1:32:10

that time. Yeah,

1:32:14

I think that everybody pissed him off so

1:32:16

much by telling me get pissed off all

1:32:18

day Cillizza, we found what pissed him off.

1:32:20

keep telling and to get pissed off. Both

1:32:23

probably pissed off when he found out he

1:32:25

was doing at the Royal Rumble Fish very

1:32:27

first one other in Atlanta. January twentieth, two

1:32:29

thousand and two. he comes in a number

1:32:32

twenty nine. it's a big pop, doesn't eliminate

1:32:34

any one and the soon as he gets

1:32:36

in the ring interpolate pedigrees him ah yes,

1:32:38

the seller for a minute and then alert

1:32:41

oh bugger T picks him up as in

1:32:43

the. Fuck out. Of

1:32:47

the I will say i'm just a few minutes

1:32:49

the oh you're like yeah, civilized enough I can

1:32:52

like him. It's just a. Humorous

1:32:54

to me, You. Know you're

1:32:56

over like Rover he beat all the

1:32:58

top guys even buzzes oh you're and

1:33:00

cool pedigree. It's like out. It.

1:33:03

Was written that way. I. Know

1:33:05

analysts and know in hundred and have any

1:33:08

say so in the writing of that. So.

1:33:11

There. You go. Cool. Nights

1:33:16

is a peculiar to smash. Yes you will talk

1:33:18

about Ric Flair A url of bed you get

1:33:20

your chapstick out What is Rick Flair A with

1:33:22

Robin they have the the modern I will get

1:33:24

there was all about I'm require hell down of

1:33:26

robbing them on our that. Mother.

1:33:29

Fucker. Bought ours.

1:33:33

Are still have we gotten our fuck quota

1:33:35

image? So yeah I by the way or

1:33:37

the network? Here's what that would sound like.

1:33:39

Oh yeah. But.

1:33:42

I. Had. No. Idea

1:33:44

what up? A

1:33:47

year but. Not.

1:33:50

As of my favorite part, you. is

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now we've got forget dave meltzer and then when

1:33:55

you do the cheeseburger order at the end when

1:33:57

he cut me off is discouraged assume your mother

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then RVD is in a brief feud

1:35:25

with the returning Goldust. Goldust attacks him

1:35:27

and that sets up the No Way

1:35:30

Out 2002 pay-per-view on February 17th. RVD

1:35:32

gets a win here 12 minutes

1:35:35

and 15 seconds. JR even

1:35:37

says I don't know why Goldust is

1:35:39

after RVD. Only

1:35:41

two stars from Wade Keller who wrote

1:35:43

not bad but the crowd wasn't much

1:35:46

into it other than RVD's signature spots.

1:35:49

It does feel a little weird that

1:35:51

we're going from world title matches and

1:35:53

Rock and Austin and

1:35:55

Jericho and Angle and

1:35:57

now we're with Goldust. them

1:36:01

sort of piss somebody off in the office

1:36:03

here or what happened for this shift because

1:36:05

it certainly feels like a shift. Well

1:36:08

it's just a shift and momentum and

1:36:12

you can't stay on top all the time and yes

1:36:14

you got to go up and down and different things

1:36:16

but it was just gold

1:36:18

dust was back looking for some gold dust to

1:36:20

do and not having anything for Rob at that time

1:36:22

and Robin gold dust it sometimes

1:36:26

you look at two guys you don't have anything

1:36:28

for at the time and you put them together.

1:36:31

The next day he gets a win with Edge

1:36:33

over Regal and Storm and then he works a

1:36:35

couple of house show matches where Mr. Perfect goes

1:36:37

over and he had just returned at the Royal

1:36:39

Rumble so that's pretty cool and he

1:36:41

says he remembers working with Perfect on TV and they

1:36:43

do a spot where he's supposed to cross

1:36:45

body into the floor and when Rob was rolling

1:36:48

around on the floor Kurt said

1:36:51

the camera missed it so we're gonna have to do

1:36:53

it again and they redid the exact same spot and

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Ross is that sort of changing

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of an era to him because

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if they used to send a guy

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out and tell you that they missed up the

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spot and you had to redo it again but in

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this case that didn't have to happen. What

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do you remember about sort of horror stories

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and even Ric Flair

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has one with Macho man about

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when Vince says god damn it

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do it again. We