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She. Was a beloved

1:45

pastor using her gifts to

1:47

help her congregation. See

1:49

is a healer Guys give the

1:51

her with the ability seems able

1:53

to see things that normal rhythm

1:56

wincing. She can go deeper into

1:58

the spirit of hair. But

2:00

a merciless. Attack destroy her home

2:03

and least her clinging to

2:05

life. A social banners

2:07

around the house is fully engulfed

2:09

in flames. Step twenty seven times.

2:12

Save countless burn injuries and ways

2:14

people will stop. Make them believe

2:16

it worked with some. I want

2:19

a duty. To

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answer that investigators will

2:24

slow side of the

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seemingly itself couple and

2:29

owners. He could be considered

2:31

as and block magic. Is

2:34

most visually. Both

2:38

were so I'm all

2:40

this breeder harder. Just

2:43

overtook any kind of rationality. The in one

2:45

of the may have had to start. And

2:49

a survivor comes forward with

2:51

the story Assessor series. On

2:53

see. A

2:55

lot of you don't understand half

2:58

ago. And

3:00

we got. Hit

3:02

me that. Are

3:19

county. Georgia is a friendly

3:21

southern community. We're neighbors. value

3:23

peace and quiet. It's

3:26

certainly a close knit community. Everybody kind

3:28

of knows everybody. every kind of looks

3:30

after each other for the most part.

3:32

Ah, crime is are the most part

3:35

fairly limited, but. On. The afternoon of

3:37

Monday, April Twenty Fourth. Two Thousand And

3:39

Seven. See. The

3:41

sheriff's office receives a frantic call

3:43

from thirty five year old resident

3:46

Ramona Newton. For

3:57

non a new reported that the house that

3:59

was. There was on fire and

4:02

the police can find out that

4:04

Ramon as next door neighbors are

4:06

mother. Asked

4:09

line in the i'm that my

4:11

mother have a bat I hold

4:13

I heard a loud know on

4:15

a ran at know the Civil

4:17

War Now am when I read

4:19

it costs less Laughing little fly.

4:24

Ramona. Fears that her sixty one

4:26

year old mother and local spiritual

4:28

leader. Georgia Green is. Trapped

4:30

inside the burning house. Where.

4:40

everyone has to a breeze have

4:42

a barrel about it as a

4:44

the a third time. And.

4:47

This would I hate. My

4:49

motherboard. And

4:51

will not to laugh. Seems land

4:54

at. The hands

4:56

of. Isis

4:59

Asking blues. A lot

5:01

as a lot of. So

5:03

I went to call Nine One One again. Mom.

5:20

My mom would have made a

5:22

was. A

5:28

lifelong resident of Baker County, Georgia

5:31

me. Green grew up on a small

5:33

farm in a large family. My.

5:37

Grandmother she had two children.

5:39

A lot of families there

5:41

in the community the accused

5:43

of the get together play.

5:47

In her twenties, Georgia had

5:49

two daughters Rhonda and Ramona.

5:52

Pushy, raised on her own. There

5:55

was mostly just the three of us. For.

5:57

A long time. She

6:01

raised two daughters on her own

6:04

with no help, and

6:07

she did a pretty good job by herself. She

6:10

taught us how to cook, clean, everything.

6:13

It was necessary. We

6:16

was raised by a strong woman. Much

6:20

of Georgia's strength and the strength

6:22

of her family stemmed from her

6:24

religious faith. My

6:27

mother was brought up in the church.

6:29

Her religion and faith was number one

6:31

in my mother's life. That was always,

6:33

that's what she was all about. Ever

6:36

since I can remember, ever

6:39

since I was little, we was in the church. And

6:41

then when we moved out on our own, you know,

6:43

my mother continued to take us. And

6:46

then she started wanting

6:48

to participate, wanting to do more in

6:50

the church. She started preaching

6:52

in her living room. She

6:55

would get up on Sunday morning, have fun in

6:57

school, and have church there in the living room.

7:00

And we just had a nice little

7:02

family church. My

7:05

mother was the type of person to welcome anyone to that church.

7:08

It didn't matter what religion he was. If you need help,

7:10

you must welcome him to come to the church. Through

7:15

the church, Georgia met her second

7:17

husband, Luke Griffin. He

7:20

called himself a pastor also. And

7:23

so they was married, and

7:25

the little congregation continued to grow. Georgia

7:29

is not only pastor, but she does

7:32

marriage counseling and other types

7:34

of spiritual counseling. She

7:37

calls herself a healer. A lot of

7:39

people come to her for healing, and

7:42

they come for her for counseling. She

7:45

actually had a place in her home

7:47

specifically laid out to do these counseling

7:49

services. She had candles and

7:52

incense burning, all sorts of

7:54

things to kind of make people feel comfortable. Georgia's

8:00

congregation became an extended

8:02

family, but her relationship

8:04

with her husband Luke began to

8:07

falter. They

8:10

got divorced probably

8:13

around 2004. Luke

8:18

moved out of the house, he shared with Georgia,

8:22

but he didn't go far. He

8:25

looked so much, he didn't even leave off the

8:28

land. He stayed right there. He

8:31

built himself a little house out there for

8:33

himself, and he lived out there

8:35

on the property. I moved

8:37

my house there too, and my sister later

8:39

on bought a house and moved there. All

8:42

the houses are close together. The

8:45

land surrounding Georgia's home became a

8:48

safe haven filled with family and

8:50

friends. Until

8:54

the morning of April 24th, 2017, when

8:58

the pastor is found stabbed multiple

9:00

times outside her burning home. As

9:05

Georgia's daughter Ramona speak to 911 dispatchers,

9:09

family and friends begin gathering in the

9:12

front yard of Georgia's house. She

9:16

finds her husband

9:18

Brad, her mom's ex-husband

9:21

Luke, and

9:23

then she also finds Lenoris and

9:25

Kim Williams at the house. Ramona

9:30

immediately yells for the group to help

9:32

her move Georgia to safety. She

9:37

called for help, and Brad and Luke

9:39

came running. We

9:41

didn't have no time, because how she

9:43

was breathing, I knew she

9:45

was her ex-husband. They

9:48

found out that the ambulance was gonna take a while, so

9:50

they just said, we've got to get her to a

9:53

hospital as quickly as possible. Luke,

9:56

he rushed us to Miller County Hospital. Moments

10:00

later, police and firefighters arrive on

10:03

the scene. When

10:05

first responders arrived, the house was fully

10:07

engulfed in flames. The fire department tried

10:09

to put the fire out. By the

10:11

time the fire was extinguished, the house

10:13

was total lost. The

10:17

hard thing about arson investigations is the

10:19

evidence is likely destroyed in the fire.

10:21

And that's obviously something we have to

10:23

prove that this was intentional. At

10:26

this point in the investigation, anything's possible. You have

10:28

to keep an open mind and look at all

10:30

leads and follow everything through

10:33

until you have a better idea of what happened.

10:37

Coming up, investigators turn to

10:39

those who know Georgia Best and

10:42

learn about a person of interest with

10:44

alarming intentions. He

10:47

apparently hadn't accepted that they

10:49

were divorced. He

10:51

real strangled. He loved all the

10:53

deaths. But an

10:55

unsettling admission will take the

10:58

case into supernatural territory. In

11:01

jealous rage, she put a curse on

11:03

him. In

11:11

Baker County, Georgia, 61-year-old Georgia

11:13

Green has been rushed to

11:15

the hospital after being found

11:17

outside her burning home, the

11:19

victim of multiple stab wounds.

11:25

My sister Ramona, she called me and woke me up.

11:28

And I had to kind of like get my head

11:30

right to understand what she was saying to me. I

11:35

said, I need you to go to Miller County Hospital. Mama

11:38

being hurt, I need you to go there. I

11:42

was like, I wasn't shy. I was

11:45

just trying to stay strong and

11:47

just go and see

11:49

what was going on. As

11:53

family members rush to the hospital, authorities

11:56

at the crime scene try to figure

11:58

out what happened. They.

12:00

Were able to establish the fire was not an

12:03

electrical fire, was not a pay and that had

12:05

sound still too long and greece and caught the

12:07

house on fire. Upon

12:10

further examination, it was determined that the

12:12

fire was started by means of an

12:15

accelerant. There

12:18

was no question in this case this was intentional.

12:22

We like to examine the crown saying the

12:24

trying to find evidence to suggest who committed

12:26

the crime or how the crime was committed.

12:29

In this case of we were inhibited in

12:31

doing that because the house was a total

12:33

walls oh it was born to a crisp.

12:37

We began to sift through the debris

12:39

in that area, residents and multiple knobs.

12:41

When was. The

12:45

knives were burned to indicate that they

12:47

had been there when the fire occurred.

12:52

Once the knives are collected as evidence.

12:55

Investigators head to the Miller County

12:57

Hospital to check on their victim.

13:01

They talk to hospital Sassy say they

13:03

are working to keep her. you know

13:06

Siebel. At this point the she's in

13:08

critical condition, she can't talk and are

13:10

getting ready to transfer her out of

13:13

the hospitals. Excels in for treatment. She

13:17

had multiple strokes martians in

13:19

the hospital after the Starbucks.

13:23

She. Stabbed twenty seven times and quite frankly,

13:25

looking at the condition that she was in,

13:28

I didn't really think she was going make

13:30

it. Considering

13:33

the amount of knife wounds is

13:35

a definite attempt to kill Georgia,

13:38

not just the or assault that

13:40

occurs for the moment. When.

13:44

Investigators ask Ramona about who might

13:46

want to harm Georgia. Ramona says

13:49

her mother doesn't have an enemy

13:51

in the world. We.

13:55

Learn that Ramona was entire house finance

13:57

and occurred and she went outside see

13:59

what. was going on. I

14:03

told him, Nenaris Kim, Luke, and

14:05

my husband, Brad, was already over

14:08

there. Finding

14:10

it suspicious that George's ex-husband was present

14:13

at the scene of the crime, investigators

14:16

question Ramona about Luke

14:18

Griffin. She reveals

14:20

that the couple has a complicated

14:22

history. It

14:24

was alright in the beginning, but Luke and my mother

14:26

were two of a kind, so it's kind

14:31

of hard to get along when they

14:34

had two different ways,

14:36

and sometimes it just

14:38

doesn't work out. My mother and Luke,

14:40

they decided to separate, but continue being

14:42

friends. He apparently

14:45

hadn't accepted that they were divorced,

14:48

and he kept telling people they were together. Luke's

14:53

strange. He's real strange. I'm just saying that

14:55

he's real strange. He loves her to

14:57

death. Investigators

15:00

quickly turn their attention to Luke. They

15:03

find him at the hospital, waiting for

15:05

an update about Georgia. When

15:08

we met with Luke, he told us that he

15:11

and Georgia were still married, and

15:13

that they lived together at the residence. But

15:16

we knew Luke and Georgia were separated,

15:18

but still lived essentially in the same

15:21

area on the property. But

15:24

Luke insists he had nothing to do

15:26

with the attack on Georgia. Luke

15:30

Griffin went through everything and explained the chain

15:32

of events as he had seen it. Luke

15:35

tells investigators he was helping Ramona's husband

15:37

Brad in his garage around 1130 a.m.

15:44

Luke and Brad were loading up scrap metal when

15:46

they saw some vehicles in Georgia's

15:48

yard, and

15:51

they saw smoke coming from the house. Shortly

15:54

thereafter, they were approached by Lenoris Williams,

15:56

who told them that the house was

15:58

on fire. When

16:01

detected speak with Brad, he

16:03

corroborates luke statement. And

16:05

confirms the two men. Have been

16:07

together all morning. Luke.

16:11

Statement was consistent with the the same

16:13

as well as the chain of events.

16:15

We were able to rule Luke out

16:18

as a possible suspect. Investigators.

16:24

Next asked the family how they

16:27

know the north and Tim Williams

16:29

and why they were at Georgia.

16:31

has. When Norris

16:33

and Generally Williams had gone

16:35

to her for blessings and

16:37

so fast authors a marriage

16:39

she's house film Kastenbaum anything

16:41

any yet which she was

16:43

the of. Sirte.

16:46

Good ol' Inspiration. And.

16:48

Gotten through. Minorities.

16:51

In Can had been keen Georgia for a while

16:53

and they said at the morning that every. Himalayan

16:59

when the worse when they're in a vehicle and

17:01

at some point it was discovered that they want

17:03

keys and the core so they left. they are

17:05

you. Me

17:09

I once saw to the two

17:11

witnesses you want to see. So

17:14

the issue of the for minorities.

17:16

And Kim Willis.

17:19

Times. I was obvious when you

17:21

talk about criminal investigations, those first

17:23

interviews with witnesses just crucial. As

17:28

news of the attack on Georgia

17:31

spread, the community rallies around her.

17:35

Entire community, Is

17:37

becoming aware of. This

17:40

was right near. The.

17:42

Baker, Miller County line. So.

17:45

Now you've got Miller County getting involved

17:47

in the bowl. Wow, You've got face

17:49

or county in the Boa. You've got

17:51

the G, the I in the below

17:53

and now with the community knowing what's

17:55

going on Now they're invested in his

17:58

hello and they want to find. Less.

18:03

Than an hour later Gym and lenore

18:05

as Williams or spotted on foot. Two

18:08

miles away from Georgia Green. Sheriff

18:14

and no account. He actually was able

18:16

to locate generally Eleanor's Williams at the

18:18

cemetery and so he and and up

18:20

following name. When

18:23

the deputy attempts to speak with the couple.

18:26

The try to walk a whole.

18:30

Saves V. agitated was

18:33

acting very suspicious. Quarter

18:35

to the sheriff was.

18:38

Course. That sets off warning signs right away

18:40

when someone asks I in such a suspicious

18:42

manner and when you try to find out

18:44

about what they may or may not know

18:46

by prof. He

18:49

decides he added to the couple in a

18:52

seat. At this time

18:54

there were no arrest warrants for them. however

18:56

they were being detained for the further of

18:58

investigation so that we can figure out what's

19:00

going on. One of the first thing they

19:02

wanted to do was get their side story

19:04

to interview need to individuals and see what

19:06

they had to say about the fire started.

19:13

Coming up, investigators sit down

19:16

with their persons of interest

19:18

and uncover a possible. Mean.

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19:23

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Baker County, Georgia, sixty one

20:44

year old pastor Georgia Green

20:46

is in critical condition after

20:48

being stabbed more than two

20:50

dozen times inside her home.

20:54

People will stop. Make. Them Believe it.

20:57

Or mean there were like your mother don't bought a

20:59

plane was yeah we try to help people were amount.

21:01

Of want, duty, Authorities

21:05

had detained married couples him

21:07

and Lenore as Williams. Who

21:09

were present when George as house erupted

21:11

into slain. On April

21:14

twenty fifth, two thousand and seventeen

21:16

one day after the attack, investigators

21:19

sit down with Louis. You

21:23

know, result a lot of muscle

21:25

shoals about Georgia growers are we

21:27

were. We. Were

21:30

we. Were

21:35

began asking why was he over there

21:37

Wow are you going to see Georgia

21:39

and honours explained that he generally were

21:41

see in Georgia more spiritual healing. Zero.

21:54

Hour. long hours

22:01

They waited outside for some time

22:03

while two other clients of

22:05

Miss Georgia were seeing

22:07

her. One

22:10

was in a, I believe, a white vehicle that

22:12

left pretty soon after they got there. Another

22:14

in a blue vehicle that went in and

22:17

stayed for a while. As

22:20

you hear, I went ahead and picked the car. It

22:22

was blue. It was not native

22:25

blue. It was sometimes like

22:27

a light blue, basically. Okay.

22:32

How many people were in it? Just

22:35

him? Black guy, white

22:37

guy, black guy. He

22:39

went to that state about 225 minutes. He came back

22:41

out, he kept digging it up. He

22:44

kept digging it up. He

22:49

said it was a black male

22:51

that went into the house and

22:53

left, and that's when the fire started.

22:58

He seems to move, you know, and

23:01

I went in the house. You know, I'm trying to

23:03

see what she's going to pay. Lenoir's

23:07

claims that he couldn't find Georgia. I'm

23:11

trying to get to this woman. I'm

23:16

trying to get her for us. Hold

23:18

on, let's go get her. We're going

23:20

to the house. We

23:23

need to heal. Lenoir's

23:26

explains that he and his wife went to see

23:28

Georgia because they'd been having marital problems. He tells

23:30

investigators he and Kim have been together for

23:34

the past four years. My mom

23:36

met Lenoir's through a lot of things. She

23:39

was a little bit of a bitch. She

23:41

was a little bit of a bitch. She was

23:43

a little bit of a bitch. She's been with

23:45

her for years. My

23:48

mom met Lenoir's through social media.

23:51

He told her that he had been watching her for years

23:55

because Lenoir's actually used to hang around

23:57

my cousins on my dad's side. I

24:01

guess he used to see her a lot when we used to

24:03

go to my great-grandmother's house. At

24:06

the time, Kim was a single parent with

24:08

a teenage daughter and an infant son. A

24:12

year into their relationship, Lenorez

24:14

and Kim had a baby of their own.

24:18

Lenorez was actually a traveling

24:21

construction worker. He decided to stop

24:23

that and, you know, just be

24:25

home all the time, to be

24:27

around his family, you know,

24:29

he began to be the stepfather that me and

24:31

my little brother needed in our life. In

24:35

June 2015, Lenorez and Kim got married. Lenorez

24:41

took a job at a solar company

24:43

in Bainbridge, Georgia. He

24:46

loved her. She loved him. She loved him too. They

24:50

was this lovey-dovey couple. I'm

24:53

like, okay, so this is what it's going

24:55

to be forever. I guess we're going to

24:57

be a family. But

25:01

just when it seemed like the family

25:03

had achieved their happily ever after, Lenorez

25:06

was dealt a devastating blow.

25:10

Kimberly Lenorez had some financial troubles even

25:13

while Lenorez had the good job, but

25:15

it seemed to escalate

25:17

after Lenorez's employment terminated. It

25:21

did become a general whole bunch

25:23

of arguments, fights, policing. It

25:26

got worse and worse and worse. Lenorez

25:30

tells investigators that their financial

25:32

situation caused major strain in

25:35

their relationship, and

25:37

he wanted to do whatever he could to

25:39

get his marriage and his life back

25:41

on track. Lenorez

25:44

really wanted that relationship to work

25:47

and believed that there

25:50

was extraneous problems. Georgia,

25:54

she'd been seeing Kim and Lenorez in

25:56

a counseling capacity. We

26:00

don't know. He's a freak. He's

26:02

an spiritual worker. You can't know a spiritual worker. He knows

26:04

a spiritual worker and a moral worker.

26:07

Lenorus explained that

26:09

he and Kimberly

26:11

were seeing Georgia for spiritual healing or

26:13

was commonly

26:24

known as root doctor. When

26:28

someone puts roots on you, they're

26:30

putting some sort of control over you.

26:32

It would be

26:35

like voodoo. It would be forcing someone

26:37

to do something they don't know they're

26:39

doing. They're using some kind of potion

26:43

of curses and the jinx. Lenorus

26:49

was seeing Georgia specifically because he had

26:51

had bad roots put on him. Lenorus's

26:55

ex-girlfriend put bad roots on him,

26:58

so we asked him to explain how the bad roots were

27:00

put on him. Lenorus

27:13

says his girlfriend was mad at him that he had gotten

27:15

married to Kimberly and she was jealous. In

27:18

a jealous rage, she took his underwear,

27:20

I think buried it, along with

27:22

fingernail clippings and maybe some menstrual fluid

27:24

and put a curse on Mr. Williams.

27:28

Part of the reason that Lenorus and Kimberly Williams

27:30

went to see Ms. Green is because in the

27:32

religious doctrine of roots, in order to

27:34

have a curse lifted, you have to

27:36

have a religious leader that's

27:39

more powerful or more established

27:41

than the original one that put the curse

27:43

on the person. We

27:48

asked her, can she get me killed for that?

27:55

Lenorus explains that Georgia offered to

27:57

help the couple. They

28:01

were paying her money for

28:03

prayers and various

28:05

mixtures of potions or herbs

28:07

to help get the bad roots off of them.

28:11

She did a thing, and

28:15

it was like we were a prophet, but we wouldn't.

28:18

We came to town, maybe. It was sweet

28:20

being here. We were

28:22

no problem, you know, for good marriage.

28:24

You know,

28:26

meal careal, the whole careal,

28:29

what does she want to do? But it's like he

28:31

wanted a prize. Lenore's

28:34

been filled that Georgia's services were helping

28:36

them in any way, and they were

28:38

both angry at Georgia for not helping them properly.

28:43

One of the things in criminal law that

28:46

we always do is establish motive, opportunity, and means.

28:48

What established the motive is they basically were mad

28:50

and thought that Miss Greene had swindled them out

28:53

of their money and that

28:55

she had not given them the blessings

28:57

that they deserved for giving her the

29:00

castle. Coming

29:04

up with their suspects in focus,

29:07

lovers will turn against each other.

29:10

Let's go. Ready? Ready. He

29:14

did. He did. He lost. I

29:19

heard you know him. I heard if I would. They

29:21

hear her say something like that. That

29:23

you know him, right? So why don't you

29:25

tell me the whole story? And

29:28

a captivating witness sets the

29:30

record straight about what really

29:32

happened. Let's change the

29:34

whole voguet. After

29:44

the brutal stabbing of 61-year-old

29:47

Georgia Greene, investigators

29:49

learned that Lenoris Williams may have had

29:51

a reason to harm her. When

29:54

they interview his wife, Kim, she

29:56

provides them with a noticeably different

29:58

version of events. What

30:02

happens when you get the, when this road is

30:04

hot? I was, I was, I was, I was,

30:06

I was asleep. She

30:10

advised that the nurse tells her

30:12

he wants her to ride with

30:14

him. She had had

30:16

a headache, taken a couple of Benadryls to

30:19

ease her off. She was

30:22

drowsy, had been asleep, got

30:24

up, got in the vehicle, slept on her way there, didn't

30:27

really know where they were going or what they were doing.

30:31

They got to Georgia's and she was basically

30:34

napping in the car and

30:36

doesn't really know what happened. So

30:38

you, you go to sleep, go back to sleep,

30:40

what happens when you wake back up? When I

30:42

wake up, I see like,

30:46

like a, like fire. You

30:48

know, I see like fire, like, I'm like, what

30:50

the hell's going on? You know, what the hell's

30:52

going on? So I'm, I'm, I'm just not sure.

30:54

I don't know what's going on here and stuff.

30:56

And, and I know he can't run it

30:58

from, you know, when I said, what's going on? What's going

31:00

on? He be like, I'm trying to help her out the

31:02

house. You know, he's like, I'm trying to help me George

31:04

out the house. But what else, what's going on? Kim

31:09

offers no corroboration for her husband's

31:12

story about seeing a suspicious man

31:14

in a blue vehicle, the only

31:16

man she places at the scene

31:18

of the crime is her husband,

31:21

Lenora. The

31:23

NARS was in the house. And you? Y'all

31:26

were in the house. The NARS was in the house. Right.

31:30

The NARS was in the house. And I did,

31:32

I did, I did. Well, no, it wasn't in

31:34

the house. I told you, I told you in

31:36

the house. Right. No,

31:38

I wasn't. Well, then now let's, let's talk

31:40

the truth then. Tell me

31:43

what really happened. He, he

31:45

did, he did. I know he did.

31:47

But I also know that you were in the house, right? Yes.

31:51

He did it. Yeah, but you were in

31:54

the house, weren't you? Kim?

31:58

He did it. Kim,

32:00

you still not gonna tell me the truth? I

32:02

told you everything you want to hear. She

32:05

just kept saying repeatedly, that's all I've got to say,

32:08

that's all I've got to say. So

32:10

we terminated the interview with Kimberly. Authorities

32:14

hold both suspects in custody while

32:16

they continue to gather evidence. I

32:20

obtained a search warrant to search

32:23

Kimberly's purse. We found a notebook

32:25

with some writings about Georgia Green.

32:28

The writings seem to be aggressive

32:31

or angry in

32:33

nature towards Georgia. We

32:37

also found a discount store receipt where

32:39

a knife and a roll of duct

32:41

tape was purchased earlier in the morning

32:43

of the day of the incident. Investigators

32:47

followed up with that receipt and

32:49

got the video from that discount

32:51

store of Lenore's

32:54

purchasing duct tape and

32:57

a knife. And

32:59

this relates back to

33:01

the knife found in the

33:03

house fire. I

33:06

actually purchased the same knife that Lenore's

33:08

purchased and the knife that I purchased

33:10

was later compared to the knife that

33:12

we recovered at the fire scene. And

33:14

the knives were visually similar in size

33:16

and shape to each other. Investigators

33:23

confront Lenore's Williams with the

33:25

new evidence. I'm

33:29

here to hear from you and for you

33:31

to tell me. And you know, if something

33:33

went astray that wasn't as

33:35

planned, then that's fine, but that's now's

33:37

your time to tell me. I

33:40

mean, we should put my life in it if I... You

33:43

want that one? That's

33:47

a knife. They

33:50

showed him the evidence of him purchasing the

33:52

knife and the duct tape. He

33:55

started to change his story from no

33:57

involvement to yes, he did do an

33:59

hour. the Norris

34:02

claims that he had gone to Georgia's

34:05

house to confront her about the cost

34:07

of her services We

34:12

made one that helped us about in the

34:14

three hundred seventy five dollars And

34:16

one time we paid one fifty online. I

34:18

don't see no improvement. So what we are

34:21

going out for yesterday We

34:23

want to go back and talk a little talk

34:25

to her. I know y'all live there Like

34:28

you said Georgia

34:50

explained that they could start over

34:52

with the healing process But it

34:54

would require a another monetary fee

34:56

which Lenore's and Kimberly didn't have

34:59

things in the room escalated and

35:03

An argument ensued Lenore's described the

35:05

chain of events as Georgia being

35:07

more aggressive and that Georgia Attacked

35:10

him therefore he stabbed Georgia

35:12

and something Why

35:16

did you take a knife and duct tape with you

35:18

about playing I won't don't take off

35:20

but I didn't know What were you gonna

35:22

use the knife for He

35:35

did say that he took the knife

35:37

in his pocket that he

35:40

had the duct tape in his

35:42

britches when he went into

35:44

this Georgia's house and That

35:47

whatever happened there he had done

35:50

in self-defense and that Kimberly

35:53

was not part of I'm

36:00

telling the truth. And

36:02

what you're telling me is you're still not adding

36:05

up completely. You

36:24

and I both know that there's more to this as far as

36:26

her knowledge. The

36:59

investigator played a portion of one

37:01

of Kimberly's recorded interviews where she

37:03

was laying the blame on the

37:05

norm. Okay. Ready?

37:09

All right. All right. All

37:12

right. Well, then now let's talk the truth. Tell me what

37:14

really happened. When

37:17

we played the portion of the

37:20

recording from Kimberly's interview, Lenore has

37:22

completely changed. He

37:26

did. He

37:29

did. Believe

37:32

me now. He was upset by how Kimberly

37:35

talked to us and ultimately Lenore

37:37

decided to come clean. He

37:46

told us she did take part

37:48

in stabbing Miss Georgia.

37:52

She knew what they were going to do when they went

37:54

there. She

37:56

was involved much more than Kimberly

37:59

let on. she was involved. One

38:03

attempt, one. Keep her over there. She

38:05

can only be hit. Kimberly

38:09

seems to be the driving force behind this

38:11

whole incident. She seems to

38:13

be the one that has the control

38:15

and manipulation over Lenora. He

38:19

was so wrapped up in

38:21

all this and believed that Miss Georgia

38:23

was creating problems between

38:26

he and Kimberly,

38:28

but he did not want to lose

38:30

Kimberly. So he did whatever Kimberly thought

38:33

they should do to resolve the problem.

38:35

And they went there planning

38:38

to do harm to Miss Georgia. Despite

38:42

Lenora's claims that his wife

38:44

stabbed Georgia, Kim maintains

38:47

her innocence. Kimberly

38:49

says that it was Lenora's

38:51

idea, it was his plan. At

38:54

this point, it's partially, he said, she

38:56

said scenario. Investigators

38:59

arrest both suspects on a charge

39:01

of attempted murder, but

39:05

they still don't have a clear understanding of

39:07

what happened to Georgia Green on April

39:09

24th. Then

39:13

on May 8th, a family's

39:15

prayers are finally answered. I

39:23

slept with eight names and I woke up. They

39:27

said that was close to death or whatever, but it never dawned

39:29

on me because I got

39:31

so much faith. You know what I'm saying?

39:33

I got so much faith in the Lord that he would

39:35

deliver me. Two

39:46

weeks after she was attacked and

39:48

left for dead in her burning home, 61

39:52

year old Georgia Green miraculously recovers and

39:55

police are finally able to see her. speak

40:00

with her. Once

40:02

we learned that the breathing tube had

40:05

been removed, myself and investigator Griffin traveled

40:07

to Dothan to attempt to interview Georgia.

40:10

She was able to give us a lot more details

40:12

and explain more of what happened. Back

40:17

about three or four people that morning, Kimla

40:20

and Lenore, I was waiting, all the rest

40:22

of my clients left, and

40:24

they showed up there. When

40:27

they came in, I told them, I said, I

40:30

can't talk to y'all right now. And

40:34

he's saying, well, we just gonna buy to see

40:36

how you doing. I said, I've been

40:38

doing good like that. And

40:41

the girl didn't say nothing. He was doing

40:43

all talking. And then he

40:45

jumped up, he grabbed the

40:47

bowl off my desk. And

40:50

he went to hit me, crawled

40:53

to head with it. He said, where the money,

40:55

bitch? And I said, I don't

40:57

have no money here. I

41:00

stood up. And when I stood

41:02

up, she come out with a nine. She

41:06

was telling me around the neck, and

41:08

my back, closing my heart.

41:11

Anywhere she could stay up here. So

41:15

I fell on the floor. When I fell on

41:17

the floor, I got up on the desk. They

41:19

thought I was dead. They

41:22

was pulling all the paper and stuff out

41:24

my drawer, doing everything all over the floor.

41:26

They were just doing stuff, cutting one another.

41:29

And he told me to get the gas. They

41:33

sprinkle gas all on the wall everywhere,

41:35

all the glass everywhere, pulled gas all

41:38

over the beach. So

41:40

they went in, they lit it up. It

41:42

was burning. After

41:47

Lenoris and Kim fled her home, Georgia

41:50

realized she didn't have much time.

41:53

A lot of people don't understand how I

41:56

got up. It had to be God. It

41:59

had to be God. And when

42:02

I did behind the house and I sit down, I

42:04

ain't said nothing. I just, you

42:06

know, sit there in the spot. As

42:13

with anything, there's still unanswered questions, but as

42:15

far as who is the person or people

42:17

that assaulted Georgia, it was clear that it

42:19

was Lenora and Kimberly. And Kimberly.

42:24

When I do my counseling, I think, you know, that's my family.

42:27

Not looking at, you know, the

42:29

best. I look at all, everybody's

42:31

good. And

42:34

that what really bothered me is how good I was to

42:36

them. And

42:39

that's how they repaid me. Lenora's

42:44

and Kim Williams are both

42:46

indicted for attempted murder, aggravated

42:48

assault, and arson. They

42:51

face 60 years in prison. Then,

42:55

on January 26, 2020,

42:58

one day before Lenora's

43:00

Williams trial is set to begin, a

43:03

surprising new development unfolds.

43:08

Lenora decided to enter a guilty plea.

43:12

He was not given any promises of

43:14

leniency. He entered what's called a blind

43:16

plea, which means that he admits accusations

43:19

and it's up to the judge to

43:21

sentence him. Part

43:23

of the agreement was that Lenora's would

43:25

give a full debrief of what happened

43:28

and agree to testify against Kimberly. Faced

43:33

with the news that her husband has turned

43:35

against her, Kim Williams enters

43:37

her own guilty plea the very next

43:39

day. Ms.

43:42

Williams had to admit that she did, in fact,

43:44

stab and burn down the house of Ms. Grigg.

43:48

So that was one great thing about the plea was

43:50

she had to finally take responsibility. After

43:56

we were able to look at all the evidence, it became

43:58

pretty clear that Kimberly couldn't do it. without Lenora

44:00

and Lenora's couldn't do it without Kimberly.

44:02

And both of them had such strong

44:04

religious convictions and beliefs in this roots

44:07

that it just overtook maybe

44:09

any kind of sense of rationality

44:12

that either one of them may have had to start

44:14

with. In

44:17

the end, they each got 40 years'

44:19

answers. Lenora's,

44:22

I think, was genuinely in

44:24

love with Kimberly. I think

44:26

he wanted that relationship to

44:28

continue and when Kimberly

44:31

told him it was over unless you

44:34

solved this problem with Miss Georgia, it

44:36

induced him to do as she said,

44:38

and go buy a knife and duct

44:40

tape and get gas to burn the

44:42

house. I

44:45

believe that Lenora did do her thing and

44:47

she was dragged into it. If my

44:49

mother did have a part

44:51

of it, I believe that he forced

44:53

her. This

44:56

whole incident is completely senseless and tragic. Georgia, you know,

44:58

lost her home. Georgia

45:01

lost some of her physical abilities

45:03

to do things due to her injuries. My

45:07

mother had, in the beginning, she had some bad

45:09

days and she had some good days. But

45:12

she kept praying and built the

45:15

street that could go on. A

45:17

lot of people wouldn't survive

45:19

what I went through with. What I went through

45:21

with, they couldn't even make it out of there. And

45:24

that's why I say I'm blessed. To

45:26

be able to overcome, to

45:29

be able to walk again. And

45:31

I'm still counseling people. And

45:33

that's why I say I'm blessed. I

45:38

hope that I be able to go on with my life and continue to

45:40

do the will of the

45:42

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