0:06

Hey, Will. Hello there.

0:08

Hey, Sean. We

0:10

only got some real sweaty pits today.

0:12

Are you concerned about anything? Are you

0:15

nervous? I am nervous. I just took a

0:18

lie detector. Oh, wow. And what was the

0:20

result? I'm

0:22

a liar. Anyway,

0:25

this episode is going to be great. Yeah. We're going

0:28

to work out some truth. Yeah. It's an all new

0:30

smart list. Smart. Smart. Smart.

0:32

Hot mic. Hot mics. Hi,

0:34

hot mics. Hey, hi. Hot

0:37

mics. As soon as pics

0:56

of all your hot mics, post

0:59

them on the page. I'd

1:01

love to take a look at all your hot

1:04

mics. He's so tired. He's still got it. So

1:06

tired. Still got it. Sean, you had a hot

1:08

Bob once, didn't you? I

1:10

had a hot toddy, hot Bob and a

1:12

hot mic. You ever had a hot

1:14

Bob haircut? Yeah, you

1:16

did on the, uh, what you McCall it?

1:18

Stu just fell. I had that shelf haircut

1:20

in the eighties where you cut it. Of

1:22

course. Did you really? Yeah. That sounds very

1:24

Depeche mode. It's totally TDM total defense. I used

1:27

to, I had like, like kind of long and

1:29

then short in the back. You had it like

1:31

covering one of your eyes. Yeah. Just kind of

1:33

like coming up, you know, Archie's

1:36

kind of got that, right? Your oldest son

1:38

there listener. Um, it's got a little bit

1:40

of a, what's that kind of looking through

1:42

his hair. Well now it's kind of long

1:45

all around. What's that? That's a, what's that

1:47

haircut? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I

1:49

can't hear you because my hair is blocking

1:51

my eyes, not my ears. Richard Eilert. Like,

1:53

yeah. The last thing he says to himself

1:56

before he leaves. What's that? What's that? Yeah.

1:58

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2:17

uh, hello to Richard. If you're listening to

2:19

Richard's got a, uh, Richard's got, I've made

2:21

bored you with this before he's got a,

2:23

he's got a mirror face, um, like we

2:25

all do, but he's got a, he's got

2:27

a trigger sentence that, that launches that mirror

2:29

face. You know, everyone's got a face. What's the

2:31

mirror thing? Well, when you look in the mirror, when

2:33

you want to look your best, like one last look

2:35

to go out, you kind of tighten

2:37

up the eyes. You maybe turn your

2:39

head a little bit. I've had a

2:41

right. Like that was exactly right. So

2:44

what, what Richard does to prompt the

2:46

mirror look he's looking for is, uh,

2:48

he pretends that he is asking someone

2:50

for directions, right? He's pulled up in

2:52

his car next to someone walking their

2:54

dog, maybe, and he has some directions

2:56

and they give him the directions and

2:58

he looks forward over steering wheel. And then

3:00

he figures, well, wait, maybe I didn't hear it correctly.

3:02

And he'll turn to his left to

3:04

the person and he'll go it's where,

3:09

and so it's where the combination of

3:11

the turn and the question will tighten

3:13

up the eyes just enough and give

3:15

them an just enough disdain to look

3:17

sexy. It's where, yeah. That's

3:20

a good, that's a good red carpet. Like

3:22

that's the new one, right? Yeah. He's

3:25

hotter than when he says it's where I'm

3:29

just so crazy because he's such a nice guy.

3:31

He's a nice guy. Nice looking.

3:34

He's not good with directions. Um,

3:37

Sean, good morning. Um, what

3:39

have you done so far today? Aside

3:41

from putting on some, uh, smartless swag

3:43

I see there on your body, you

3:45

know, he's always wearing smartless shit. Will

3:47

like, like we're televising this and he's

3:49

helping move merchandise. I wear it because

3:51

I really like I wear, I sleep

3:53

in it. And

3:55

Sean, what was the sleep? What was the sleep schedule last

3:57

night? Cause you have a weird,

3:59

you wake up in the night. And then you go back to bed early in

4:01

the morning. I go to bed at midnight. I

4:03

get up at about 3 a.m. I stay

4:06

up until about six or seven.

4:08

Then I fall back to sleep for a couple hours and I'm good

4:10

to go. And then I need like a

4:12

minute and then I'm good to go. Total

4:14

chaos. And then I'm good to go. It is

4:16

total chaos. I'll send

4:18

an email that three

4:21

or four in the morning.

4:23

I know. Oh, I know. Oh,

4:27

don't start doing will. I

4:29

love what your impression of me just has

4:31

the dumbest look. You know what we've done

4:34

here, Sean, though? We've, we've,

4:36

we've, we've, we've boosted up young Willie.

4:38

Willie started this. He started a little

4:40

bit down a little bit out of

4:42

sorts. And then it's just a little

4:45

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4:47

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4:52

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4:54

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4:57

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4:59

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5:01

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5:03

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5:05

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5:08

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5:10

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5:12

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5:14

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5:16

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5:18

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5:20

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5:22

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5:31

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5:39

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5:42

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5:47

boy. unmotivated, unmotivated,

5:50

perpetually failing not

5:52

to laugh. Oh

5:55

my gosh. Selena. Hello. Hi guys.

5:57

I'm so happy to be here. happy

6:00

you're here. This is a very nice thing

6:02

you're doing for us and our listeners. No,

6:04

no. This is more my thing. I'm

6:06

so happy. It's pretty cool of you. If

6:09

we didn't know, it looks like you were

6:11

lying in bed and we have an overhang.

6:13

Oh yes. Well that is my beautiful

6:15

background that I made for you guys

6:18

because I figured that would be better than... You're

6:20

keeping it real. Listener, she's

6:22

got just a sheet draped over just

6:25

a bunch of dead bodies behind me.

6:28

Good work. Thanks. Nice segue into

6:31

murders. Oh yeah. Well we're

6:33

gonna get to that. We're gonna get to that.

6:35

So Selena, where do we find you this morning? Are

6:37

you in Los Angeles? I am. I

6:40

am home right now and

6:42

I just had my coffee and yep. What

6:45

time do you usually get up every morning? I'm a 6.30

6:47

guy. I'm about 7. 7.30. Are

6:51

there animals to feed? Yes, I have two

6:53

dogs. You do? What kind? They're

6:55

little mopepoos. They're pretty annoying but

6:58

cute. Two the same. Is that because your body gets

7:00

you up at seven or you just... No, my

7:02

body does. I think, I don't

7:04

know, for some reason maybe the show

7:07

or something it's just embedded in me that I'm

7:09

automatically up and then I feel like a piece

7:11

of shit if I wake up at like 10.

7:15

Even though they're nice. What is

7:17

that about the body that'll just wake you

7:20

up at the same time every single day?

7:22

circadian rhythm. circadian. Marveling at the

7:24

body. Yeah. And

7:26

then if you just point your eyes at something

7:30

it tells your brain what you're

7:32

seeing. You're like a one-man Spielberg

7:38

movie. If you pull one foot

7:41

in front of another you'll just

7:43

end up moving forward. That's incredible.

7:45

All right. So Selena, with these

7:47

two dogs they're multi-poos.

7:50

So it's a combo.

7:52

Right? Yes. They're very cute. They're

7:54

brother and sister? No,

7:57

I got them at two different

7:59

times. but they definitely don't act

8:01

like brother and sister. No rescue

8:03

your breads. We can cut that if you want.

8:06

No, no, no. I actually not

8:09

afraid to say during COVID. I was

8:12

very scared and lonely and I found one on

8:14

Craig's list because the mom was like,

8:19

we have babies and we don't know what

8:21

to do. They're like, we don't know what to

8:23

do. Our dog had puppies. So I was like,

8:25

I'll take one. Clear out for a

8:27

joke. Go ahead. Will. No, no, no, no,

8:29

no. It actually was really such, you know, they

8:32

like drove in from Vegas and like rolled the

8:34

window halfway down and then passed me the dog

8:36

and wanted the cash. I was like, all right,

8:38

my, my, my mom did have a bad experience.

8:40

I did have a bad experience. One year. We

8:42

posted on Craigslist. He said, who wants for a

8:45

hundred bucks? You want to come out and check

8:47

out these puppies. And

8:49

let me say what I got to his house. It

8:51

was not dogs.

8:55

I'm not. Thank

9:00

you. Will. Thank you. You rest again. All right.

9:06

Let's we'll tell you that in

9:12

your own mouth. We're a

9:14

little sloppy this morning. Isn't

9:18

it better to get this over with than

9:20

an afternoon? No, no, I

9:23

actually don't mind this. This is a great way to

9:25

start my day. You guys are making me well,

9:27

keeping these beds not over yet. We'll we'll

9:29

let you revisit that at the end. See

9:31

if you still love it. All

9:34

right. Now, Selena, you're incredibly

9:37

accomplished. You started very young.

9:39

I want to know. So

9:42

you started with acting.

9:44

Yes. Because mom was an

9:46

actor and got you kind

9:48

of interested in that. Yeah,

9:50

she actually never pressured me

9:53

or said that's what I should do. She

9:55

just did a lot of theater growing up.

9:57

So she never really did anything television

9:59

wise. And I was seven

10:01

when I got my first job because I was

10:04

only child super dramatic and I was like

10:07

I'm so capable of this and

10:10

I am I What

10:12

it takes? Worked

10:14

and I've just been working every sense

10:16

and I was just Barney. Lucky. That

10:18

was Barney Crazy,

10:20

you're already with Barney. Yep. That's

10:22

a pretty red guy who played

10:24

Barney. He was pretty hot Was

10:27

he yeah, he's hot. He had to be

10:30

like fit and like cute because he's like No,

10:33

he doesn't have Barney

10:36

changing everything new doc. So he was a

10:38

plushie. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry So I'm

10:40

quick for Tracy really quick Just break it

10:43

down. I need to know this and she

10:45

want to know what a plushie is So

10:47

I'm like a fetish where people dress up

10:49

in like costumes and stuff, right? No, I

10:51

know. Yes What do you mean right think

10:53

you don't need to say right question mark

10:55

you up? Yeah We're gonna

10:57

hear something or something. That is correct.

11:00

John All

11:02

right, so we're with Barney and we're

11:04

having fun on that and then How

11:07

did Barney happen? I really want to know it was yeah

11:10

It was like an little like thing

11:12

that I was in line with 1400

11:14

people on a hot Texas day and my mom's like are

11:16

you sure you want to do this? I was like, yeah,

11:19

I'm fine because because you knew what TV

11:21

was and you thought it'd be cool to me Yeah,

11:24

I mean my mom wasn't very intense

11:27

about what I could watch so I would

11:29

stay up and watch friends with her and Willing

11:32

grace and oh That

11:35

was like what I grew up with Barney and Willing

11:37

Barney willing for the longest time by the way

11:39

on my bio on Instagram Says I love

11:41

Willing grace And

11:45

then everyone's like can you maybe change that

11:47

I was like, that's very sweet Did you

11:49

ever see the episode where where? Will

11:52

was in a dance-off with Shawn

11:54

at Jackson with Janet Jackson You

11:57

did I was a back. Well, I played it

11:59

back up dancer That's right. And then

12:01

Karen got mad because she fell for

12:03

you. And yes, I remember. Yes. Oh my

12:05

God. You really are a fan. Wait. Well, I

12:07

remember you snapping those moves. I think I was

12:10

there that night, right? You were there that night.

12:12

You really know how to finish a move. Remember

12:14

how hard points, but we're so tired and Jimmy's

12:16

like, okay, let's do it again. I looked at

12:19

John and like, I knew it again. But Salida,

12:21

do you know just as

12:25

a, as a Will and Grace super fan, you know,

12:27

that we, there's a podcast that Sean does called just

12:29

Jack and will be does with Eric. No, I

12:31

do know. I actually do know.

12:33

And I remember like my

12:35

friend sent me the link because she knew that

12:37

I was obsessed and I had no idea. Sean,

12:40

did you know that Selena Gomez was such a huge

12:42

Will and Grace fan? I did because I'm really good

12:44

friends with Marty short. And then we chatted on the

12:46

phone. Me and Selena chatted on the phone like a

12:48

year ago or something. And you were like, Oh my

12:50

God. And I was like, Oh my God. I freaked

12:52

out. I was like, no, likewise. Selena

12:58

I'm a huge fan of a bit of a meat. No,

13:02

I'm very, I'm very excited. I, I

13:04

grew up with you. So me

13:06

too. And I grew up now

13:08

53 53. All right. So we

13:11

do, we're, we're, we're galloping along

13:13

with, with acting. We've got the

13:15

Barney under our belts. We'll move

13:17

into Waverly place. Yes. My Disney

13:19

show. Yes. And a few other

13:21

jobs here in, in there and

13:23

things are really moving and cooking.

13:26

Yeah. And then there's a cooking show later.

13:28

We're going to get to that. But

13:31

when did music start

13:33

to start to tap you

13:35

on the shoulder and say, Hey, come this way. Well, I

13:37

think that Disney is safe

13:40

to say they're a machine and they

13:42

kind of in a

13:44

way not forcefully required that

13:46

I know how to

13:48

sing. So I can seem like the know

13:51

how to package someone and like make

13:53

it as like a whole triple threat

13:55

thing. This was happening during Waverly. Yeah.

13:58

So they, they asked me to. the

14:00

theme song and I had fun with

14:02

that and then they were like

14:04

would you like to do an album and I

14:06

thought it would be fun and I thought more

14:08

than anything it would be like a hobby that

14:11

I really enjoyed and then and how old are you at

14:13

that point? I wanted to be a serious actress I was 15 and

14:15

I wanted to be an actress

14:18

I'd never really intended on being a

14:21

singer full-time but apparently

14:24

that hobby turned into

14:26

something else. Yeah you're doing all right now

14:28

did you did you have any idea that you

14:30

could sing before you tried it? Yeah well I

14:32

was on Barney and I did do I love

14:34

you. You love me?

14:36

It's not very challenging. You know

14:38

it warmed up my vocals. Okay

14:41

all right there you go

14:43

and then and then because of that did

14:45

you take like singing lessons and developed your

14:47

instruments as they say? You know I did I

14:50

don't think I'm the best singer but I think I

14:52

know how to tell stories and I

14:55

love being able to make songs that

14:57

you know I get more like I always get people

14:59

coming up to me saying I had no idea it

15:02

was you that was singing that song and

15:04

that kind of makes it feel

15:06

nice to me that I feel like

15:08

it's just about the song. I mean

15:10

Wizards of Waverly Place was a

15:13

gigantic show. Yeah I miss

15:15

it. I want to say my sister

15:17

wrote on that for a second. Really? She was

15:19

a writer on that maybe I might not be

15:21

it but it was a blast like

15:23

I will say yes that's why I

15:26

love sitcom. Would you say you have

15:28

a good memory Jason? No not really. Okay

15:31

Wayne we're gonna get right back to you but Selena

15:33

I want to the

15:37

so what is it? It's Will. Thank

15:39

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right, so then you know that you can kind

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of sing a little bit and the music starts

19:17

to take off. Like I guess what I'm asking

19:19

is at what point was

19:22

the acting and the music at

19:24

the same level and

19:26

you thought, do I have to pick or

19:28

should I try to keep both these things going at

19:30

the same speed? I started having a

19:32

lot of fun with music and

19:35

then touring was really fun but

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I was doing my TV show at the same time.

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It's wizards and I just, I

19:45

found it really fun. So I just kept

19:48

going but the older I get, the more

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I'm kind of like, I

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would like to find something to just settle

19:55

on. Yeah, well it's exhausting, right? I

19:57

mean, that sounds like super, that's so hard.

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I just think about the energy. This is

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doors. Like really because, because it was exhausting.

20:08

Yeah. Oh my God. To me.

20:10

Cause I love working and it distracts

20:12

me from bad things. And

20:15

I like that. So I just like working. I

20:17

was just, yeah. I was just saying that this

20:19

morning, by the way, it reminds me of my

20:21

three year old Denny, he, he calls lizards. Um,

20:24

cause he can't say, Oh, he calls him wizards. So

20:27

he's always like, we just, there's a wizard in

20:29

the backyard. I hope he's right. I really hope

20:31

there's a wizard in the backyard. But

20:37

wait, but Selena, you, you're saying that

20:39

in a perfect world, you would pick

20:41

either one or the other going forward.

20:44

Uh, well, I do feel like I have

20:46

one more album than me, but I would,

20:48

I would probably choose acting. You

20:51

would. Yes. God damn. You're so great at

20:53

music though. Yeah. Yeah.

20:55

I mean, here's the good news. You don't have to

20:57

pick. Don't have to pick. You right. But I am

20:59

going to want to chill because I'm tired. But

21:02

yeah, I mean, reading through, I can

21:04

tell you we've had some very accomplished

21:06

people on this show. Thank you listeners

21:08

for making it a place where accomplished

21:10

people want to come. Um,

21:13

I have never read so much

21:15

information about a guest, uh, than,

21:17

than I have about you. I

21:20

mean, the things you have done

21:22

in your, I mean, you're

21:24

just barely 30, aren't you? It's,

21:26

it's just so admirable what

21:29

you've done. Um, even in

21:31

philanthropy and in, in, in,

21:33

in, in, in global, uh,

21:35

sort of charities and

21:37

being in, uh, what a UNICEF,

21:40

um, ambassador. I was a UNICEF

21:42

ambassador and now I have my own foundation.

21:44

Yeah. It's just stunning. And we haven't even

21:46

gotten to rare beauty. This, this,

21:48

uh, this, this beauty company, the makeup company,

21:51

what do you call it? Rare beauty. Yeah.

21:53

But I mean, what, what would you describe it as

21:55

a beauty company? Yeah, I would

21:57

say cosmetics. Um, You

22:00

know, it's, it's been really fun, but we're actually

22:02

starting to get into skin now. I know

22:04

this is all girly stuff, but it, I'm

22:06

excited. I'm wearing makeup right

22:08

now. I mean, exactly. I

22:11

know, but, but it, but we're going

22:13

into skin now. It's about three

22:15

years old and it's honestly

22:18

been the biggest gift because I,

22:20

I launched it during COVID and

22:22

it just took off

22:25

and I couldn't be more thankful. Did

22:27

you launch it during COVID because you had time to finally,

22:30

cause you weren't on tour and you weren't shooting. You're like,

22:32

now I have time to, to dedicate to this or it

22:34

kind of came up. Or was it some of you? It

22:37

sucked. I, I was supposed to

22:39

release it like a

22:41

month right into COVID. So I had done

22:43

all the promotion and everything. It's about to

22:45

come out and then we figured,

22:48

all right, we'll just try online. And

22:50

I think makeup became really big during

22:52

COVID cause people would do the videos

22:54

and they would, you know, you know,

22:56

create looks and it kind of just took

22:59

off. And I'm always

23:01

like, like confused and

23:03

just grateful cause I've never been

23:05

the type of person that want, I don't want

23:07

to be or need to be the number one,

23:10

anything. And I think that's what

23:12

my mom has instilled in me because

23:14

I don't, I don't feel like anything's

23:16

a competition. So I'm, I feel

23:18

like there's room for everyone. So I'm really

23:20

proud. Do you think like it's when you

23:23

started Barney at seven and then wizards and

23:25

then all that, do you think that your

23:28

work ethic and your drive and your ambition

23:30

was instilled in you

23:32

or would have happened to anyway? Oh,

23:34

I don't know. I would, I'm probably would've been a

23:37

hot mess if I wasn't doing this. I already am,

23:39

but, um, I

23:41

don't know. I don't know. We are all

23:43

hot. Obviously tell us how

23:45

I've been to like four treatment

23:47

centers and just as

23:50

a cause of depression, anxiety, right? Yeah. Yeah.

23:52

And I'm bipolar as well. Yeah.

23:54

Well, you carry on top. I

23:56

would say you've got an incredible a

24:00

dynamic head on your shoulders

24:02

that takes a lot of

24:04

management and analysis. And it

24:06

sounds like you're doing a pretty freaking good

24:08

job. Yeah. No, thank you. I

24:11

don't know. Disney was like boot camp. You know,

24:13

they were definitely who doesn't have problems. You know,

24:15

it doesn't have problems, Lena. Dummies.

24:20

I mean, that's true. Blissful

24:22

ignorance. That's where it comes from. You need

24:24

to be really smart to be complicated. Yeah.

24:27

And I'm crazy. I

24:29

don't know. I

24:31

think you're doing great. It's not getting

24:33

in your way of your accomplishments. And

24:35

you and I have talked a few

24:37

times. You're incredibly nice. So your personal

24:41

success is fantastic as well as

24:44

opposed to your business success. So

24:46

whatever you're doing, keep going. Are

24:49

you super excited? So your mom, as you said,

24:51

your mom is or was an

24:53

actress and kind of that sort of

24:55

paved the way for you to get into it and take

24:57

it seriously. And you mentioned you're

24:59

an only child. Imagine you're pretty still

25:01

pretty close with your folks. And

25:05

was that like when you started

25:07

to make that transition into becoming a

25:09

star at a really young age, what

25:12

was that dynamic like with your folks? Like how much

25:14

did you rely on them to kind of be there

25:16

and how has that relationship changed as you've gotten older?

25:19

I mean, do you know? Yeah, I think when

25:21

I was younger, my mom, I mean,

25:23

my mom was my mom. I was under 18. So

25:26

I was getting invited to these events

25:28

and stuff. And my mom from

25:30

a very early age was like, you're going to

25:32

walk the carpet. Maybe we'll stay for five minutes.

25:34

But then adult times probably going to happen. And

25:37

you know, it's like the Vanity Fair parties and

25:39

all that stuff. So

25:41

she was she was always

25:43

very protective of me, but it never really

25:45

felt like it was suffocating. And she would

25:47

always say the same thing to me. She

25:50

said, the moment you stop having fun, stop. It's

25:53

OK. You know, like you you don't need

25:55

to just kill yourself over

25:57

something. Right,

26:00

and the hours of people don't understand that the

26:03

hours and hours and hours of work that it

26:05

takes to do a TV show, a tour, whatever

26:07

it is, or a movie, it's just like for

26:09

a kid. It's hard enough to be a kid.

26:11

I just think about my own kids and being

26:14

young teenagers, my older boys, and

26:16

I'm just thinking. And then the younger ones with the speech

26:18

problems. Right. I was looking

26:20

for wizards. Wizards. It's

26:22

like the idea of them,

26:25

like Sean, we were over there watching the movie

26:27

the other night with Archie. Can you imagine Archie's

26:29

15 being on the road

26:31

and working all the time? I think like, no,

26:34

we wouldn't be able to. You wouldn't be happy.

26:36

He was both Selena saying, oh, it's tough, right?

26:38

Yeah, no, it is. And

26:40

the transition honestly happened around 25

26:42

where I didn't feel like I

26:46

had to impress my

26:48

parents more. So my mom was

26:51

also really cool because right

26:53

after Disney, she put me in a

26:55

movie called Spring Breakers. Like she found

26:57

that movie and it's very racy. Yeah,

27:00

very. But it was fun. Yeah.

27:03

And it

27:05

was, I mean, I'm sure your mom

27:07

was not strategic with grabbing that, nor

27:09

were you, but I'm sure that there

27:12

was some thought put into it where

27:14

this would sort of broaden

27:17

the public's idea about that which

27:19

you can do and that which

27:21

is fitting of what when

27:23

they think about you, she can do this, she can

27:25

do that. And, or was it

27:28

just a part of like, well, this is a

27:30

little bit closer to who she's starting

27:32

to become, not somebody who's my

27:34

mom was a huge Harmony current

27:37

fan and she heard

27:39

there was a script out. And so she's,

27:42

she was interested in it. And the

27:44

character I play isn't as racy. So I

27:46

was like 19 when I did

27:48

it. And she just came up to me and she

27:50

was, this will make no sense. And you're probably going

27:52

to think I'm crazy, but just read this. And

27:55

I read it and I don't know,

27:57

I, I gravitated towards the character.

28:00

And then I met Harmony and I

28:02

was like, oh, Game Over. He's just really

28:04

cool. How did your mom have the sense

28:06

to know good material from bad material or

28:08

the right material? She's really great at

28:10

that stuff. You know, she found

28:12

the book 13 Reasons Why, which we

28:15

turned into a TV show. So she

28:17

randomly was at a bookstore and she was

28:19

a young adult and found

28:21

that and we developed it. She just

28:23

has really nice taste. And

28:25

instincts, clearly. Yeah, she's really great. So

28:27

I like to ask her advice on

28:29

things. That's great. Awesome. Yeah. I

28:31

love that you guys are so close. Yes. You

28:35

know, we can cut this part

28:37

too, but I am fascinated and thankful for

28:39

how outspoken you are about mental health. Yes.

28:41

Because I have somebody very, very close to

28:43

me who I've had to deal with it

28:45

and not deal with it, but just like

28:48

help with it. And I'm happy to help with it. And

28:52

but do you ever? Will,

28:54

you say thank you to him. You've never

28:56

publicly thanked him. No,

28:58

I was going to say the same thing. All jokes

29:00

aside, Jason, you Dick. I

29:02

was going to say, oh, no, JK. I

29:05

was going to say, I like

29:07

the way that you're so open and

29:09

frank about that, about mental health. And I think that

29:11

it's something that people luckily

29:14

talk about more and more. But I think it's really

29:16

refreshing to hear you talk about it in a way

29:18

that's very just sort of matter of fact. And

29:21

I think it's really, I don't know, it

29:23

shows real maturity and it shows, I think

29:25

it's very brave. And

29:28

I think it helps so many people

29:30

the way that you talk honestly in that

29:32

way. I really did struck me. I think

29:34

it's really remarkable. It is. It's great because

29:36

my mom died of Alzheimer's a long time

29:38

ago. I forget when. And

29:41

because I, because

29:43

it was so painful, because

29:45

it was so painful, I just me and my

29:47

sister and my family, we would, there's

29:50

a point where you have to start making it

29:52

funny because you've cried too much

29:54

about it. So then you cut it with

29:56

humor. And the, I have

29:58

the funniest Alzheimer's. stories like ever

30:00

because I lived through it and it was so

30:02

tragic that you know my mom we

30:06

can cut this too but my mom would go to the bathroom

30:08

she'd go number two in the toilet and I'd walk in there

30:11

I go mom you have to flush the toilet she goes I

30:13

don't know who did that I don't know who that is they

30:16

came in here when I was here they went to the bath

30:18

no we cannot prove that that's mine not

30:20

prove that that's mine and we would laugh

30:23

because you because it was past the point

30:25

so my question is have you me dealing

30:28

with somebody with my chicken and shit

30:30

and forgot no no no no have

30:32

you ever no have you ever like

30:34

please I've ever just

30:36

kind of infused humor into the whole

30:39

situation definitely I

30:43

also have a few friends that

30:45

are you know in comedy and

30:47

writers and it's it's

30:50

just fun you know and now me and

30:52

my family are in a place where we

30:54

can do that and yeah and I

30:56

don't mind saying the things that I'm

30:58

walking through and they can be fun

31:00

and they can be messy but yeah

31:03

I've always you take the power back

31:05

yeah just out knowing more I feel

31:07

better it gives so many people myself

31:10

included you know

31:13

a little bit more comfort in the reality

31:16

that I'm not you know I'm

31:20

kind of broken upstairs we all are

31:22

there there are as many mental variables

31:24

in all of us as there are

31:26

physical ones you can see the physical

31:28

ones someone's taller someone's shorter someone's thicker

31:30

someone's thinner someone's got bigger feet smaller

31:32

feet like there are there

31:34

equal number of variables in the brain

31:36

and the fact that we've got medicine

31:40

therapeutics an environment

31:42

that is tolerant of all of

31:45

those variables nowadays as opposed to

31:47

back when our parents were our

31:49

age and Jason Jason on top

31:51

of that community the idea that you're talking

31:53

about it sheds a light and says you're

31:55

not alone there's somebody else and somebody else

31:57

can relate to that and identify with it

32:00

Certainly, I know from my own life and I can go

32:02

like, and somebody else says, I have this,

32:04

and they go, oh, and they talk about their experience and

32:06

I go, oh, you have this too, and then we can

32:08

talk about it in a way that, and

32:10

that kind of really breaks

32:13

it wide open. Definitely, it

32:15

connects you as well. I mean, that's

32:17

why I released my documentary. It's all

32:19

based on mental health. Which was incredible. Thank

32:21

you so much. I haven't seen it, I'm

32:23

so, forgive me. No, no, don't worry. No,

32:25

pause, we're gonna watch it. I'm putting it

32:27

all in here. But it ends well.

32:30

I think that's why I did the documentary. I was terrified

32:33

before it came out and I had already

32:35

signed the contract and I was like, damn,

32:37

I can't go back. But that was

32:39

a really big moment for me. And then I

32:41

have people coming up to me not saying like,

32:44

oh my God, can I have a picture?

32:46

They would say, I've dealt with depression or

32:49

I've done this. And then I end up

32:51

having a connection with people. Yeah, I love

32:53

that. Sometimes with all my health stuff, like

32:55

I've had a kidney transplant, I have

32:57

high blood pressure, gosh,

33:01

I have mental health. And

33:05

I don't even know, I'm sure

33:07

I have other problems that I'm not aware of. I

33:09

love talking about all that. But you can think

33:11

about a situation and say, why me,

33:13

why me? And instead, it's given me

33:15

the gift to say, oh, I know

33:17

why it's me. I'm there for those

33:19

people that are going through what I

33:22

went through. And I can say, I hear you

33:24

and I see you. Not just the end and

33:26

say, my life's perfect, but I'm sorry. It's

33:29

like, well, I can be honest with

33:31

you. I'm a big believer that the

33:33

person upstairs or whomever's upstairs for anybody

33:36

doesn't give you anything more than what you

33:38

can handle. Yes. And so

33:41

the fact that you've been given all of

33:43

these gifts, challenges,

33:47

and that you're able to go through

33:50

them so successfully in

33:52

a public space such that you

33:54

can give encouragement and

33:57

support to

34:00

others is like, I mean, talk

34:02

about using your years, right? You know, we've talked about

34:04

it on the show before about, you know, when you,

34:07

when you get to the end, you're gonna, we're all

34:09

gonna look back and hope that we used our time

34:11

correctly. I mean, the first

34:13

30 years of your life have

34:15

been incredibly accomplished. Like 20 lives.

34:18

Mentally. Um, certainly. I

34:20

guess, I guess the question really is

34:22

now what? Yeah. You

34:24

know, you're fixing your brain. You're fixing

34:27

the world. I don't know. I

34:30

think I gravitate towards

34:32

things I connect to and I'm all

34:35

about authenticity. I can't really force

34:38

myself to be anything other than who

34:40

I am. And it's just, you know,

34:42

luckily worked. I'll bet your

34:44

ability to recognize and

34:46

attract those who are equally

34:48

authentic is really keen to, you know,

34:50

like I was just thinking when you're talking about the documentary,

34:52

thinking about Alec, Alec,

34:55

and his sister, Aline,

34:57

we both work with, I mean,

35:00

people like that, like you probably have a

35:02

great team around you, great friends

35:04

around you. Like all of us as we get older,

35:06

you have less and less friends, but that's usually by

35:08

choice. Um, talk, talk to

35:11

us about, um, your ability to kind of

35:14

pick up on, on, on people's

35:16

uniqueness and authenticity or lack thereof.

35:18

Is that something you always had

35:20

or is it just gotten sharper?

35:23

And I, and maybe it has gotten sharper,

35:25

but ever since I was younger, I had,

35:27

I like to think I had good

35:29

discernment with people and

35:31

I could just sense when I

35:33

felt that it

35:35

was being forced or that there

35:37

was something they were wanting or whatever,

35:40

I just could feel that in a

35:42

lot of people. And I mean, obviously

35:44

I put some of those people

35:46

in my life when I was younger and then I,

35:48

you know, later realized, but most of

35:50

my friends, like I said, they're, I

35:52

mean, they can go from being a writer to one

35:55

of my friends is a real, one of my

35:57

friends is a realtor. So like, I, I kinda.

36:00

It's not Richard Ehrlich, is it? No.

36:04

Yeah, well, it's like

36:06

having people skills, right? And I wonder

36:08

if you're like me, that's part of

36:10

what has always attracted me to being

36:12

an actor is because

36:15

I'm just fascinated with people. And I

36:17

really enjoy kind of reading people and

36:19

seeing is this a person, is this

36:21

person a match for me or not?

36:25

And I just wonder what that is. Also,

36:27

it's just staying curious, right? The

36:29

moment you stop being curious, like

36:32

Jason just said, you become one of those

36:34

dummies. Yeah, I know. I love life and

36:36

I love people and I find it really

36:38

fun. Do you find that,

36:41

which do you find is more cathartic for

36:43

you, more sort of a

36:46

lane to explore and enjoy

36:48

parts of you? Is it with

36:50

playing different characters or being

36:52

a songwriter? I think it's a little bit of both.

36:56

I wrote this ballad called Losing

36:58

to Love Me and that was probably

37:00

the most personal song I'd ever released

37:02

about something that was on

37:04

everyone's mind for some reason. And

37:07

then in acting, I feel like

37:11

I have these moments in my life that

37:13

have happened and I'm able to use that

37:15

and it actually feels great. And

37:17

it feels like after a good cry

37:19

or something, it's like a good feeling.

37:23

Is there something that you, I mean, this is going to be one

37:25

of the dumbest questions you've ever gotten. Is

37:27

there something with every single thing that you've done where you're

37:29

just like, you know what I've never done? I

37:32

want to, I need to do that before. I

37:34

don't think I've even began

37:38

like in a lot of areas, like

37:40

I, not necessarily cosmetics and

37:42

stuff, but like I've said many times with

37:44

you guys, I think acting like I don't

37:46

think I've been able to even touch the

37:48

surface of what I know

37:50

that I'm capable of doing. I'm

37:53

very selective or else I'd be in all

37:55

of the movies that I

37:57

get offered and I just fight for

37:59

my. roles and I'm always auditioning

38:01

so I like to earn it. Yeah

38:03

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And now back to the show. Something

41:31

I've sort of really

41:33

gotten more and more passionate

41:36

about is not playing characters

41:38

as much as just playing

41:41

somebody that doesn't force

41:45

me to do a lot of acting

41:47

and play a character. I

41:49

kind of like to be the audience. And a

41:51

lot of that comes from my desire to try

41:53

to be as not full of shit as possible

41:55

in my life and not be fake and phony

41:57

and pretending to be other people. So

41:59

I really like it. like trying to

42:01

be as authentic as I can. Do you

42:03

have a similar sort of battle when you

42:06

think about acting? Because you're so good about

42:08

being really you and

42:11

being in your skin and being honest. Does

42:13

that run counter to the whole thing that we

42:15

try to do as actors? Kind

42:18

of, but I just finished

42:20

this movie, this Jacquard

42:22

Yard film, and it's all in Spanish

42:24

and it's a musical, and it was

42:26

one of the most challenging things that

42:28

I'd done. But it's

42:31

really Emilia Perez.

42:34

I think that will come out next year. But it's so

42:36

good if you just said none of your business. I'm

42:41

excited for that because there's, for example,

42:43

there's the scene where I'm being left,

42:45

I'm not giving anything away. And

42:48

I remember I channeled the moment when I had

42:50

to go to rehab

42:52

for the first time and leaving.

42:55

And I remember I told

42:57

my co-star that's what I was feeling

42:59

in the moment. And I just felt

43:01

like it was getting that out when

43:03

I remembered that first moment and being

43:05

terrified. That's cool. So

43:08

it felt really cathartic. Speaking of that, have you ever

43:10

wanted to go to, you know

43:12

what I'm gonna ask, go to the Broadway or do

43:14

live theater, and maybe you have? I haven't.

43:17

I think I would like to. I'm

43:20

not sure I'm there yet because I think

43:22

I'd still be a little nervous. Oh,

43:24

really? Yeah. After touring, you've

43:26

already been like a stage performer. It's

43:29

different because I love when I'm doing my concert

43:31

because it's like, oh, these are my peeps. And

43:34

you feel comfortable. You

43:36

feel safer, yeah, yeah, for sure. Well,

43:38

will you talk more about that, about

43:40

battling? Because I

43:43

get very nervous when I

43:45

have to speak publicly. Like I can't

43:47

even give a toast. Really? Yeah, he

43:49

goes white. Yeah,

43:51

but I have an

43:53

enormous amount of confidence when it

43:56

comes to other things that are

43:58

going to be made. for

44:00

the public. Like you're being in

44:02

front of a camera. For millions of

44:04

people as opposed to 10 people at a dinner

44:06

table. So I don't understand

44:09

that about myself, the difference between

44:11

having a lot of confidence or

44:13

zero confidence that are sort

44:15

of similar things. Jay, because

44:17

you're so well spoken in life,

44:19

just clearly in life, that's why it blows my

44:22

mind that anytime we're at like a dinner party

44:24

or like two or three years ago, we are

44:26

at your birthday dinner party at Richard's house. And

44:29

I said, let's go around the room and say how grateful,

44:31

how much we love Jason and I'll start. And

44:33

I got up and I gave this little speech and

44:36

it got to Jay and you were like, I'm out. I don't

44:38

want any part of this. But

44:42

I, yeah. So how do you manage

44:44

that? Like what is that switch that flicks

44:46

for you when you can stand

44:48

up in front of, you know, 100,000

44:51

people and give a concert or do a movie or

44:53

television show that's going to be from millions of people

44:56

versus like maybe going

44:58

out on a date for the first time

45:00

or doing

45:02

an interview for a magazine or whatever

45:04

might give you anxiety. Do

45:08

you know what that is? That different

45:10

thing? Cause I'm still trying to figure it

45:12

out with myself. I think when I was

45:14

younger, I had a very, very public life and

45:17

it wasn't fair in a lot of

45:23

ways that I got to

45:25

the point so much so that I was

45:27

like, if I don't talk about what's going

45:29

on, everyone's going to continue to narrate my life

45:31

and people are just going to buy it. And

45:34

I need people to hear from

45:36

me and I genuinely stopped caring.

45:38

Like I don't, I don't care. Like

45:41

I would be happy to stand up

45:43

and speak very highly of someone. I'd

45:45

be happy to do it. Even if

45:47

I mess up, I'm like, all right, well

45:49

that sucked, but you know, I tried like it's

45:51

fine. So I

45:53

don't know if I'm just, I've done it for too

45:55

long, but I just have lost a little bit of

45:58

that fear. I

46:00

still get the butterfly feeling. So

46:03

maybe I just got used to it and then I'm kind

46:05

of like, well, people are gonna like it or not. Yeah,

46:08

I have a friend of mine, Maria

46:11

Shriver. She, you know, I've

46:14

known her for years and years and decades and

46:16

she, whenever I would have

46:18

dinner at her house, she's the one who forced

46:20

me to get up and talk like that. And

46:22

it's so, I was littered,

46:24

you know, sorry, I was riddled

46:26

with fear about it. And, but

46:29

she forced me to do it. She's like, we're going to go around

46:31

and stand up and speak how you feel. And I

46:33

was like, pass. I'm going

46:35

to the next person. Were you so nervous that you would just

46:37

litter? Does that what it was? I'm

46:40

having a tough time following what happened. But

46:42

Jay, but now that you're saying

46:44

it, I think like for me, it's like, I'm

46:46

afraid of being accused or judged

46:51

as either being full of shit or

46:53

being stuck up. I

46:56

think I had a real complex about being conceded and

46:59

stuck up when I was in middle school, like

47:02

sixth and seventh grade was really hard

47:04

for me in school because people, oh,

47:06

here comes that guy on TV. He's

47:08

stuck up. So I wasn't

47:10

really, I was shy about

47:13

being confident because people

47:15

would think I was stuck up. So then

47:17

I tried to seem not confident. And then

47:19

maybe that part of me kind of took

47:22

hold. Well, you know, but what's crazy about

47:24

that though, is think about it. That's inauthentic.

47:26

Yeah, exactly. If you think about it, you

47:28

fell victim of the very thing that you

47:31

were trying to prevent. I mean that honestly.

47:33

And when you're thinking about it that much,

47:35

you put a space between you and people you're

47:37

trying to connect with, Jay. I really mean it.

47:40

And if you can break that

47:42

down and react in real time,

47:44

then it will never be inauthentic.

47:46

But the second you start thinking

47:48

about, you're trying to curate what

47:50

other people think of you, that's

47:53

inauthentic. And it makes me

47:55

so nervous because I'm having to manage two

47:57

things at the very same time. Right, because

47:59

you're... because you're taking care of their

48:01

feelings before you are. Yeah, you're

48:03

never going to be able to, I remember

48:05

somebody saying once, you can't tell everybody

48:08

how to treat you or how to look

48:10

at you. There's nothing you can do about

48:13

the way people think about you. All you

48:15

can do is say, oh yeah, there's that

48:17

and also like you'll never get it. Selena,

48:20

one second. Yeah. No,

48:22

it's okay. I'm enjoying this. I like the

48:24

conversation. But really, just really quick, it's

48:27

the same thing that I've carried around for so

48:29

long being gay is like I've caught

48:31

in my entire life. I just came out my,

48:34

in my entire life. I've

48:36

been, I spent taking care of other people's

48:39

feelings and putting mine second. And then you

48:41

have to reach a point where Selena is

48:43

saying, we're like, I can't, I'm exhausted. But

48:46

why did you do that for being gay? You feeling with

48:48

regards to you being gay? Is that what you mean? Yeah.

48:51

Yeah. With like, if I enter

48:53

a room, even today, I still have a little bit

48:55

leftover, for the most part, I don't care. It's like,

48:57

I have to check, like, I, I'm

48:59

so used to it in my blood now to check

49:02

how people think about me entering a

49:04

room. Are they thinking about my

49:06

really being gay or not? I used to

49:09

do this when I was younger. I remember

49:11

I was doing an interview and I sat

49:13

down and there

49:17

was probably 14 people

49:19

behind the camera and

49:21

I was, I think I was maybe 21 and I started to

49:26

sweat and I like ran away

49:28

and I started crying. So this

49:30

is what I was thinking. I was like, these

49:32

people probably think I sound stupid. They're

49:35

going to go home and tell their partners or friends

49:38

about how much of an idiot I am.

49:40

And I feel like a horrible

49:42

like interviewer. I

49:44

just, it used to kill me.

49:46

Really? Yeah. I've had that and I

49:48

couldn't, I couldn't, I

49:50

was stuck there and it just

49:52

becomes exponentially more horrific and terrifying

49:55

because you now you're convinced now

49:57

they can see that I'm having

49:59

a panic. attack now it

50:01

gets even worse and it's like

50:03

yeah yeah and so give that

50:05

to huh I mean I

50:08

still fall back into it but I've caught you know

50:10

here and there but for the most part I'm like

50:12

I really mean this I'm sure there'd be a lot

50:14

of listeners like shut the fucker will you know I

50:16

really this is new to me I don't understand it

50:18

in that way I just some everybody's wired differently form

50:21

a parent like when I like when I got this

50:24

you know when I got this and I was so

50:27

holding on holding up in a war

50:29

sort of just plain white and I

50:32

and I faceless body thought okay thank

50:34

you everybody but

50:37

I I feel like the older I

50:39

get the closer I get to our

50:41

favorite term sexy indifference or

50:44

rather better you better said a healthy indifference

50:46

where you do care what people think but

50:48

you're not you're not obsessed by it and

50:50

you're not you're not pulled around I will

50:53

challenge you on that because we're doing it

50:55

right now today that is also put on

50:57

it's not real because if you have to

50:59

think about the sexy indifference then it's not

51:02

organic right if it don't know I mean

51:04

I'm trying I'm trying to get to that place of honest

51:07

and healthy indifference where it's just right-sized you

51:09

know where you do care about people you

51:11

know you don't want to be rude you

51:13

want to be sensitive you just want to

51:15

know that's the freedom is

51:17

when you don't even have to recognize that you

51:19

do have indifference that you're just living that's the

51:22

freedom you're otherwise you're shackled by

51:24

the idea of it it still lives there

51:26

as an idea yeah but it's also what

51:28

we do for a living right it's part

51:30

of our job to be aware of what

51:32

people think and kind of manipulate that and

51:35

like that's a professional liars you know and

51:37

so it was a little bit of a

51:39

head screw for me obviously still is when

51:41

I was a kid when you're trying to

51:43

figure out who you're who you are and

51:45

who you're becoming imagine as a you're training

51:48

yourself how to fake to be somebody else

51:50

it was it's kind of a little bit

51:52

of a blender thing do you still think

51:54

about that Selena do you absolutely I remember

51:56

I was talking about I was talking about

51:58

this with someone and there was a study that

52:00

said the moment

52:03

you get famous at a certain

52:05

age, you end up stuck in

52:07

that area for a while because

52:09

it's... Emotionally. Yes.

52:12

Because it stumps... You're dealing with

52:14

things that no child should be

52:17

dealing with and criticizing

52:20

my body or something weird. Like, it

52:22

just... It felt... Oh,

52:25

just... It doesn't feel good. You

52:27

can't grow privately like most people do.

52:29

Yeah. So, I mean, I don't

52:31

regret my life, but there's a huge part of

52:33

me that's like... Yeah, I

52:36

wonder what that would have been like to just be me

52:38

for a second. But this... I'm

52:41

assuming that you've got millions,

52:43

literally millions of people that admire you

52:45

more than any

52:49

of us could probably imagine because

52:52

of how brave you are with how honest

52:54

you are. And

52:56

that is not going to go

52:58

away, thank God. I mean, you're

53:00

a role model, whether you like

53:02

it or not. Until

53:05

I run away from everything. No, no,

53:07

you're not gonna go... Wherever you go,

53:09

you're gonna be there. No, don't take away her

53:11

out until you run away, if you want. I

53:14

run away. But...

53:16

But I now get it though, Jay. I wanna

53:18

say, because you just mentioned that, I wanna say

53:20

that I now get it when I sort of

53:23

earlier, flippantly, when we first started talking

53:26

about how many millions of followers you

53:28

have. I now understand, I

53:30

get it now, your

53:33

relationship with that number,

53:35

with those numbers of people is tricky.

53:37

Yeah. And I sort of have a

53:39

little bit more of an understanding. I really mean that, maybe I'm a

53:41

slow learner, but... No, no, it's intense.

53:44

It's weird. It's such a

53:46

bizarre thing. And they give you way

53:48

too much information. Like, they'll tell you

53:51

how many accounts you had reached, and they'll

53:53

tell you the percentages of

53:55

women versus male or... Or...

53:59

Or... It's like I

54:01

don't need this information I

54:03

just want to post a photo and let

54:05

it be for my fans and right

54:07

on and and they are Definitely

54:09

attracted to all the things that are very

54:12

special about you and not to take away

54:14

from any of that But I think it

54:16

is also very indicative of how common it

54:18

is for people Around

54:21

the world to be not perfect.

54:23

Yeah, you know, and I think they really

54:26

are are Comforted

54:28

by how you are so honest about how

54:30

not perfect you are And I think that's

54:32

just a real gift that you give to

54:35

people on myself included. I thank you for

54:37

that Well,

54:39

I cannot believe we're already past an

54:42

hour. Yeah, but we're literally the fast

54:44

interview Yeah, it's I'm stuck an

54:46

hour right now, but it is pretty crazy.

54:48

Yeah I

54:54

Want to let you go but I know we have probably a

54:56

couple of more questions. Yeah, go. Yes No,

54:58

I just want to know only murders. I love the

55:00

show. I love you in it. I love Stephen Marty

55:03

How does it come about? What was

55:05

it like when you started? Did you

55:07

just love murderers? Was that how you

55:09

got in there to be honest? Yes,

55:11

and I like very dark documentaries sometimes

55:14

so I tend to like lean into

55:16

those Especially scary

55:18

stuff like mentally. Yeah,

55:20

and John Hoffman is one of my I love

55:22

it. So but no it actually happened

55:25

because well Steve's original idea was that

55:27

it was going to be three men and then

55:30

John Hoffman Suggested that created the

55:32

show hired. Yes who created the

55:34

show he He

55:37

said I think it would be really cool if

55:39

we added like a younger character maybe

55:41

a female and Steve liked

55:43

the idea and I guess this

55:45

was really a gift because they

55:48

Had me in mind and

55:50

I I remember thinking I'm like,

55:52

okay. Well What does

55:55

this mean and and then I

55:57

had face time with all

55:59

of them with Steve Marty and John

56:01

and producers and I

56:03

was like, oh I just have to do

56:05

this because simply the people are amazing and

56:09

It's a good hang. Yeah, and then

56:11

the success after was just such

56:13

a Like surprise and we

56:15

just were happy to do it. The

56:18

only murders in the building never manslaughter Never

56:21

man, never man. So go murders. Yeah, okay.

56:23

I'm fine. I'm a lot of ask And

56:28

That is in its fourth year or fifth year

56:30

coming up on the we just got renewed for

56:32

season four So yeah, and

56:34

I may we may have to cut this but

56:36

John I asked John I was like how how

56:38

many more seasons and he goes why

56:40

asked Steve and Steve said forever I know he

56:42

does My favorite thing about Steve

56:45

and he knows that I said this before but

56:47

my favorite thing is Steve will be like I've

56:50

gotta get I gotta get home. I gotta

56:53

get home. I gotta go out of here I'm too

56:55

old for this and then I'll be like and

56:57

I'll be like well, I go Steve like how many

57:00

see you do He's like, oh, I don't want to

57:02

stop. We're gonna keep going and I'm like You

57:05

gotta get home. Exactly, but you need

57:07

to be home. So Sometimes

57:09

I'll be like I'll carry the load

57:11

because they get it is the

57:13

greatest trio But as it's been said before

57:15

one of the oddest trios Yeah, yeah, yeah,

57:17

yeah, awesome. Yeah Yeah,

57:21

awesome. Yeah. Great. Thank you. Well Selena.

57:23

This has been great. Thank you, honey

57:26

I just wanted to tell you

57:28

Jason really quick. I Am

57:31

gonna send your wife Amanda and

57:33

your girls some of my new

57:35

collection from rare beauty And

57:38

like a whole little box because I

57:40

would love to see, you know what they

57:42

thought or I love their enormous fans

57:44

of yours as is Amanda my wife,

57:46

so I can I want to send you

57:48

that because this is gonna be This

57:51

is gonna be one of the biggest

57:53

collections that I've released and I'm

57:56

beyond stoked for it I know it's

57:58

it's little things like about that make

58:00

me happy because it's not a little thing. It's

58:03

really impressive what you've done with

58:05

this. It's this company is potentially,

58:08

if it's not already, bigger than

58:10

anything you've done in music or

58:12

in film or television or

58:15

in social media. I mean, it's an

58:17

enormous company and you really should be

58:19

proud of that. But I think it's

58:21

good products and we also just

58:24

try not to be everything

58:26

else. You know, I'm not

58:28

huge on promoting like crazy

58:30

makeup. I love makeup, but

58:32

I want my line to

58:34

represent yourself and to have fun with

58:36

it. And it seems very

58:38

consistent with you and what you represent. And the

58:41

way that you're doing it. Yeah, well, might I

58:43

show your skin is flawless. Oh my goodness. Well,

58:45

thank you. She

58:48

takes off her glasses, she goes cross-eyed. She did a

58:50

Richard Ehrlich. What

58:52

did it say? It's where? It's a little

58:55

bit confused. And then that could

58:57

look at that beautiful. No,

58:59

she's gonna let her say it's where. Say it, ready and

59:01

action. Don't picture where. I swear. Oh

59:05

my God, that's good. That's really good. You

59:07

look just like Richard Ehrlich. Great. Selena,

59:10

you're the greatest. Thank you so much for

59:12

doing this. This was a big, big get

59:14

for us. It's so awesome to finally

59:16

meet you. I am so happy and hopefully I'll

59:18

get to meet you all in person.

59:21

I'm sure I'll run into you,

59:23

Jason. I'm a big fan of all of

59:25

you. And I've really been wanting to do this for

59:27

a while. I'm sure you know, Jason. So

59:29

this has been really great. Thank you. Yeah,

59:31

thank you. All

59:33

right, have a great, great rest of the day. And thanks

59:36

for talking with us. All right, bye

59:38

guys. All right, bye Selena, thank you.

59:43

You see, now guys, there's

59:45

a nice person. You guys

59:47

have asked me multiple times. You say to

59:49

me, you say, Jason, how do I get,

59:51

how can I become nice? How

59:53

can I become nicer? You know, and be

59:55

pleasant. Have success, right? Isn't that your theory?

59:57

Have success. Well, then after that. Try

1:00:01

to be not before somebody is not

1:00:03

before cuz then they're gonna be accused

1:00:05

your kind and as gentle as Loving

1:00:07

as you know, okay. What is

1:00:10

that? Well pulling up a fake award? Like

1:00:15

it looks like an award it looks like an ass. I

1:00:19

Yeah, she's really true. Yeah. No, she's what did you both

1:00:21

did you learn anything you guys I did I feel like

1:00:23

I'm lazy Yeah, I think Lazy

1:00:26

cuz she she's just so it seems

1:00:29

like everything she does she's successful at

1:00:32

Even even mental health, right? Not

1:00:37

running from it she's going right through

1:00:39

it. Yeah, it's it's pretty remarkable and

1:00:42

She's so she's such a talk about

1:00:44

we were talking, you know authenticity was

1:00:46

was a central game today's and

1:00:49

she's so authentic Yeah, she's like a

1:00:51

new girl really doesn't like she said she doesn't she

1:00:53

just does what she loves to do Everybody's

1:00:55

welcome to come or don't come like,

1:00:57

you know, it's funny I was gonna say she

1:00:59

said that she didn't care But it's almost like

1:01:01

she it's not that she doesn't care It feels

1:01:04

like she just what she cares about is just

1:01:06

being herself and being and what's right. She turned

1:01:08

that care internal She's taking care of number one

1:01:11

Which for me always lets me be

1:01:13

a better person to the people

1:01:15

around me. Sometimes I over index

1:01:17

in the selfishness But

1:01:19

I'm trying to get the right balance. Yeah.

1:01:22

Yeah. No, no, sorry. No and

1:01:28

Still rolling let's get one more of those well

1:01:30

a little more convincing. Oh No,

1:01:32

Jason. I was So

1:01:35

many because it was such such so

1:01:37

many things I wanted to throw in and I did it because

1:01:40

it was just out of respect Oh, you've

1:01:42

got some unused jokes. You'd like to work.

1:01:44

I mean, no, no, no, no I'm

1:01:46

there one at the end certainly that I wanted

1:01:48

to yeah, let's don't worry. I'll carry the load

1:01:50

Steve And I was like, okay Yeah,

1:01:55

do you want to know

1:01:57

we know right it's You

1:02:00

want to know though, I speaking about Archie, your son,

1:02:02

one time outside. No, no, this

1:02:05

is an outside. Once I

1:02:07

had a wizard crawl up my pants. Yeah.

1:02:12

What did you really truly, truly

1:02:15

a lizard wizard. And how hard

1:02:17

did it get up before it

1:02:19

pulled a quick 180 and said,

1:02:21

no, thank you. Now

1:02:24

that's such a funny thing. Wizard. You

1:02:27

could use it for so many things. Oh,

1:02:29

you know what? Okay. So part of

1:02:31

my part of my, what

1:02:33

is he called? The Gay tray that

1:02:35

they call them. Oh yeah. No, no, no. What

1:02:37

was it? Yeah. No, the Gay tray. It's an

1:02:39

Invisalign thing. Yeah. I didn't know you had it

1:02:41

in today. Yeah. So

1:02:44

I have it in all every day. And then, but I

1:02:47

can whiten my teeth, but

1:02:49

my dentist on three days ago said you

1:02:51

care some teeth, right? And stuff you can

1:02:53

put in the Invisalign trays and,

1:02:56

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