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Gays Against Briggs | 6. The Murders at City Hall

Released Wednesday, 26th June 2024
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Gays Against Briggs | 6. The Murders at City Hall

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Gays Against Briggs | 6. The Murders at City Hall

Gays Against Briggs | 6. The Murders at City Hall

Wednesday, 26th June 2024
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0:01

Before we get started, a quick warning. This

0:04

episode contains descriptions of violence and gay

0:06

slurs. It may not be appropriate for

0:08

all listeners. It's

0:14

election night. Did you have any nerves?

0:16

I wanted to vomit. Nerves

0:19

doesn't even begin to cover it. On

0:21

November 7, 1978,

0:24

David Mixner was in Los Angeles at

0:26

the Beverly Hilton Hotel with thousands of

0:28

other gay activists. They'd been

0:30

working tirelessly for months, fundraising and

0:32

door knocking, all in the hope

0:34

that this night would be a

0:37

celebration, the moment they defeated John

0:39

Briggs and stopped the anti-gay backlash

0:41

that was sweeping the country. Now,

0:43

all they could do was wait for the polls to

0:45

close and the results to come in. It

0:48

was still kind of primitive back then.

0:50

We sat in a back room with

0:53

a bank of phones getting returns from

0:55

around the state. They'd

0:57

identified 10 districts as bellwethers,

0:59

conservative or progressive areas where a

1:01

swing in an unexpected direction might

1:04

help predict the broader outcome. Every

1:07

time a vote total came in, their

1:09

1970s version of Steve Kornacki would take

1:11

over. He had the central board

1:13

where we would analyze it and

1:17

decide whether that was a good sign or a bad

1:19

sign. We were always looking

1:21

for things for volunteers to do. Well,

1:25

I was so happy we had these volunteers that I could

1:27

say, you know what I really need you to

1:29

do is blow up balloons. Activist

1:32

Gwen Craig was at the headquarters of the

1:34

group she helped lead, Harvey Milk's San Franciscans

1:36

Against Prop 6. And

1:39

so the place was just festooned

1:42

with balloons and everything. And

1:44

we had a big thing of

1:46

them ready to drop if the

1:48

results were good. The

1:51

party's decorative centerpiece was a big poster

1:53

of the Statue of Liberty holding a

1:55

no-on-six sign over her groin. Someone

1:58

told a reporter that the sign was... strategically

2:00

placed to cover the jockstrap Lady Liberty

2:02

was wearing. People were just

2:04

there waiting for results and hearing them

2:07

and either getting excited

2:09

or getting nervous or whatever throughout

2:11

the night. So they had a

2:13

big blackboard, the

2:15

kind that you could move around and chalk.

2:18

Sweet, sweet, sweet. The teacher and

2:20

activist, Tom Amiano, was at the same party

2:22

as Gwen. Then they had the counties,

2:24

so you'd be there. Siskiyou County, 55

2:27

to 40 something. This

2:30

has to happen. We cannot lose. Sue

2:33

Englander was at the San Francisco headquarters

2:35

of the leftist anti-breaks group, Bacabi. It

2:39

was packed. There were television

2:41

cameras. I wouldn't say we were

2:43

fearful, but we were apprehensive.

2:46

I just did. I was on pins and needles.

2:49

This wasn't just another

2:51

campaign. This was literally a

2:53

referendum on if I had a right

2:55

to be an American. Some

2:58

of the early returns weren't looking good. And

3:01

we were very despondent. I

3:03

remember one guy started to cry. You

3:06

know, you put your whole soul into it. What

3:08

the fuck is wrong with California? The

3:12

tension was was immense. So

3:15

tense, emotional. And

3:20

then, in come L.A. And

3:24

L.A. was like two to one in our favor. Within

3:27

an hour, it was clear that we

3:29

were winning. And when we

3:31

saw that John Briggs was losing his

3:33

own district, that's when we went

3:35

out and proclaimed the victory. State

3:38

Senator John Briggs has

3:40

just completed the election.

3:44

Oh, my goodness. The place

3:47

went mad. The crowd

3:49

went crazy. Just over the

3:51

top. Over the top.

3:53

There was such jubilation. Brown

3:56

men cried. Hugging

3:58

and kissing. dancing. They

4:00

had to shut down Santa Monica Boulevard

4:02

because people were dancing in the streets.

4:05

They say happiness happens

4:08

in moments. That was

4:10

truly a happy, happy moment. At

4:12

the San Franciscans Against Prop Six party, Gwen

4:15

Craig had helped plan a victory surprise. So

4:19

what we had done was had the San

4:24

Francisco gay marching band hidden

4:27

down in the basement.

4:30

And when they called it

4:32

that we had won, they

4:34

came marching up the stairs.

4:38

Horns, drum.

4:41

It was phenomenal. And

4:43

the TV cameras, which were

4:45

all there, loved it.

4:49

Loved it. Said

4:52

one cheering celebrant, it's obvious gays have

4:55

a lot of friends in California. Barry

4:58

Peterson, CBS News, San Francisco.

5:03

Wait, so if you had lost,

5:05

the band would have just stayed down there? You

5:08

know, I thought about that later now.

5:10

What were we gonna do if we had

5:13

lost? I guess we would have just opened

5:15

the back doors and said, go go go. That

5:20

night, there was no need for a

5:23

backup plan and the parties kept growing.

5:26

We were out in the street too. You

5:29

know, we went up to Castro Street. There

5:31

was a big celebration. I

5:37

remember shouting. I remember

5:39

speeches. I mean, it was like

5:42

New Year's Eve. Buoyancy, a

5:44

fusion, and clapping, and can

5:47

you believe it? Pass the bong. I

5:53

remember a new day. A

5:56

new day. For the first

5:58

time in our lives, we Felt

6:00

like winners. What

6:02

did you do that night? Did you

6:04

go to a party or? I had sex. Victory

6:07

sex. Good

6:10

sex. This

6:14

is Slow Burn, Gaze Against Briggs. I'm

6:17

your host, Christina Kottirucci. For

6:21

gay Californians, November 7, 1978 was

6:25

a moment of triumph and validation. After

6:28

a year of fear and anxiety

6:30

and relentless hard work, they crushed

6:32

the Briggs Initiative by more than

6:34

a million votes. The

6:37

final margin was 58% to 42%, a

6:41

stunning reversal of the early polls. Gay

6:44

activists pulled off a victory that

6:46

once seemed impossible, and now

6:48

they could start dreaming bigger about what

6:50

gay life could look like in a country

6:52

that recognized their strength. But

6:57

the promise of November 7 wouldn't

6:59

last, because everyone who

7:01

spent that night celebrating their win

7:04

was about to suffer a devastating

7:06

loss. He gave everything

7:08

to the campaign, including

7:12

it turned out his life. This

7:16

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7:19

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Slow Burn

In 1978, state Sen. John Briggs put a bold proposition on the California ballot. If it passed, the Briggs Initiative would ban gays and lesbians from working in public schools—and fuel a growing backlash against LGBTQ+ people in all corners of American life. In the ninth season of Slate’s Slow Burn, host Christina Cauterucci explores one of the most consequential civil rights battles in American history: the first-ever statewide vote on gay rights. With that fight looming, young gay activists formed a sprawling, infighting, joyous opposition; confronted the smear that they were indoctrinating kids; and came out en masse to show Briggs—and their own communities—who they really were. And when an unthinkable act of violence shocked them all, they showed the world what gay power looked like.Want more Slow Burn? Join Slate Plus to immediately access all past seasons and episodes of Slow Burn (and your other favorite Slate podcasts) completely ad-free. Plus, you’ll unlock subscriber-exclusive bonus episodes that bring you behind-the-scenes on the making of the show. Subscribe now on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Subscribe” at the top of our show page. Or, visit slate.com/slowburnplus to get access wherever you listen.Season 8: Becoming Justice ThomasWhere Clarence Thomas came from, how he rose to power, and how he’s brought the rest of us along with him, whether we like it or not. Winner of the Podcast of the Year at the 2024 Ambies Awards.Season 7: Roe v. WadeThe women who fought for legal abortion, the activists who pushed back, and the justices who thought they could solve the issue for good. Winner of Apple Podcasts Show of the Year in 2022.Season 6: The L.A. RiotsHow decades of police brutality, a broken justice system, and a video tape set off six days of unrest in Los Angeles.Season 5: The Road to the Iraq WarEighteen months after 9/11, the United States invaded a country that had nothing to do with the attacks. Who’s to blame? And was there any way to stop it?Season 4: David DukeAmerica’s most famous white supremacist came within a runoff of controlling Louisiana. How did David Duke rise to power? And what did it take to stop him?Season 3: Biggie and TupacHow is it that two of the most famous performers in the world were murdered within a year of each other—and their killings were never solved?Season 2: The Clinton ImpeachmentA reexamination of the scandals that nearly destroyed the 42nd president and forever changed the life of a former White House intern.Season 1: WatergateWhat did it feel like to live through the scandal that brought down President Nixon?

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