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Welcome back to another episode of Simply Chatting.

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It's your boy, Noel. Your Ethan's here. Yo,

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it's Paul. LNOP right here. It's funny how you

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stick with that name. I am. I like it. I was

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thinking about it today. I was like, yo, we're

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going to record. And it's like, what about

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like, what is it, our fifth episode, some shit

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like that? Yeah. And just like together. Yeah.

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This is like my sixth or seventh one. You'd

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be learning yourself on the mic. Nah, anyway,

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this thing is still calling themselves. I want

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to be. Hey, guys, you know, I'll hear. Yeah,

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I'll just be talking to myself for the mirror.

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I'm just like, damn, are you shirtless in this

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or like, is it like, you know, is it like a

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kind of question? Is it unhinged? Why does

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it matter? I feel like if you have your clothes

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on, it tells me that you have like some like

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awareness of yourself. But if you like, I don't

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know. Are you saying that you think that I

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look at myself in the mirror and I'm just disgusted?

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No, no, no. Hey, that's not how you know. what

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he said. That was a projection. Oh my God. Okay.

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Now why did you say the other thing? Yeah.

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I don't know, was this man was like, Oh, you

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wear clothes? And I'm just like, why shouldn't

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I? Okay, so- I didn't say you could. Where I

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was going with this is basically, to me, putting

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on clothes shows a level of like planning. You

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know what I'm saying? A level of planning?

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You got to plan to put on clothes, nigga? You

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plan the outfits, you know what I'm saying?

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So like, so what I'm getting at is like, it'd

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be interesting if I- You don't ever just throw

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shit on? You say what? You don't ever just throw

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shit on? It's funny, cause he does. He definitely

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does throw shit on. I do, but what I'm saying

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is- Everything in my closet So whatever I put

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on, OK, this is my sense. But what I'm getting

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at is like, if you saw someone maybe talk to

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himself with a microphone and they have a shirt

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and pants, you wouldn't think much of it. But

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if you saw someone just have to walk past and

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see a guy in his underwear, you know, this

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something happening to that. I think if we walk

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in on the street and I see either of those

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scenarios, I'm thinking something of it. Now

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you think I'm talking into a microphone on

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the street by himself. Yeah, like that. Yeah,

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I'm like, what does this thing talk about?

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Absolutely a thing. Because usually that microphone

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is talking into hooked up to like a jack or

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some shit. Jack is jack. It's jacked to something.

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If I see a nigga talking to himself, it's a

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microphone on the street. I'm thinking, what

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the fuck is this nigga doing? Regardless of

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he called the naked. The naked part adds extra

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questions. OK, but regardless, I have questions.

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What would the questions be? What naked? Why

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is he naked? How was he still here? How long

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has he been out here? Is he what a police? OK,

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here we go. He said, Paul, hey, you. All right,

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that's all I'm getting. It just seems a little

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bit more unhinged. That's all the question

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was. I think you're doing okay. You're doing

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good. Yeah, we all about body positivity here

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So going back to like the calling the cop situation

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I was thinking about this shit the other day

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like I was watching this video about this dude

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who stepped on another dude Sneaker or whatever

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and I don't know and I was thinking I'm like

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bro. I'm at that age right now Like I want

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no problems like I almost I'm a snitch. I don't

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care. Hold on like I'm not getting into a fight

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with nobody, bro I don't want no problems. Okay

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where you like something is something you're

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thinking you snuffing the digger when I have

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shit that I care about no No, you said you're

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at the age where yeah, if a nigga fucks you

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call the cops, right? But where was that transition?

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So you were what is just up here? So I'm saying

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like I'm an agent in terms of like a mental

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space Like I'm 24, you know what I'm saying? Like

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obviously I still have energy. Like I still

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have some energy. So at 23, would you call in

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the cops? At 23, would you call in the cops?

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Yes. At 22, would you call in the cops? Yes.

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So can you please answer my question? At what

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age were you not going to call the cops and

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just snuff that nigga? Like when were you more

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defensive about the whole thing? Like in San

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Diego, when I got to San Diego. Nigga, San

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Diego is not a fucking age, bro. What age? 21,

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bro, when I was 21. Okay, okay, okay. So what

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changed? Well, you know, space time continuum

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is kind of the same thing. So we're not gonna

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get into that. I don't really want to talk about

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the space time continuum with the fucking quantum

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physics. What the fuck you call that shit? Oh,

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so basically like I was just evaluating my

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life, you know, as some 21 year olds do, and

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I'm just like damn bro, like I just think about

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mad shit. And at the same time I'm like, yo,

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I'm really not trying to get smoked. It's a

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middle of a crisis ass shit. Yeah, like when

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I'm grinding, you know what I mean? Like I

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don't want no problems. Like, cause you're broke.

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Like if you really think about it, you can

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have like a nigga moment whenever. Yeah. People

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be taking that shit to the extreme. Shout out

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to all the like the 40 year old like niggas

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hugging the blocks. That's crazy. Niggas is

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dedicated. Yeah, but I'm saying like even like

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I grew up in Brownsville. You know what I'm

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saying? Like the worst. like neighborhood in

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Brooklyn, for sure. And I see people dying,

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you know what I'm saying? I see people get drummed,

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like stabbed, like all this random shit. And

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like at a time, like I was just like, oh, yeah,

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like I'm not letting nobody touch me. But then

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I come to my senses and I'm just like, damn,

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like, you know how many friends like that passed

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away that just like on the 20, like on the 18,

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like 16? I think the youngest friend that I

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have personally who died was 13. Awesome. Just.

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But shit, you know, I mean, it's like matter

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necessary. Like for me, I'm just like, even

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if I can't avoid at that point in that situation,

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I there's no need to be a facade, bro. Like.

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Like I pay taxes, you know, like you go. I

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think the problem of paying taxes, I think is

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I think is more of a joke. Instigation, instigation.

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So you don't think niggas like that naturally.

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You think it's like. I guess I'm thinking of

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like you ever read the book Loaded of Flies?

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No, everyone. Oh, I'm a lawyer. You see, you

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want to say everyone has you because like it's

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like a high school. It was not in my curriculum.

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Oh, OK. It's about like the main the main question

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is like when you put niggas and isolate people,

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there's a movie about it. I feel like you guys

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anyway, watch that movie. This was like in

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the night. I was familiar before I got to high

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school. Did you watch it? Did you watch? I

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watched and read the book before I got to high

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school. Yes. Word. I like. OK, OK. But what

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introduced you to the book Loaded of Flies?

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My mother. Your mother. OK. The movie was on.

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I grew up watching film and anything. that had

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like a book attached to it when I was growing

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up. It was just like if my mom knew about it,

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she's like, yeah, let's go read the book to

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see what's better. So you would know that the

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Lord of the Flies is literally like social.

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It's like, you know, if you put people on the

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aisle, if you put humans together, you like

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strip them from society. Are they naturally

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evil or more specifically boys? Well, yeah.

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Yeah. Would you like are they like naturally

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evil or would they come together like form

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a site like how would they do? Like what humans

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come together, work together, like to further

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their existence or what they just like to isolate

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themselves, form groups and then try to attack

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each other like and extinguish themselves basically.

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Right. So in that point, like, like you said,

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you had people like growing up doing hood shit,

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whatever the fuck that means. Like niggas protecting

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their blocks over their families and shit, dying

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at a young age for no fucking reason, like

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fighting over shit that they don't own. Right.

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And you got to realize that you're doing this

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shit for no reason. And at some point you grow

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older and you get you enter a different mindset.

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And is it like the people influence you? Is

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it like society influence you? Is it your block

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influence you to like say you got to fight for

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this because where you come from, some shit

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like that? Was that just like naturally in your

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nature to do that shit? That's not an instigation

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Really well, I think everyone I don't think

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anyone grows up with it with the it's I think

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it's rare like there's a film called City of

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God is Basin like I guess now so it's outskirts

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of Brazil. We have like those There are characters

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out there who derive like serious pleasure

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from I guess No, yeah, but like just like from

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the danger of it the thrill of it Oh, of course,

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manually. So like, that's. that energy, like

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it feels good. It feels like especially I was

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I'm going to speak more about like the male

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experience. It feels good to feel like a conqueror.

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Everyone wants to be like Jacob. Is it like

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we're all kings in some way? Right. But like

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King, what makes a king a king is just like,

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it's not just like saying that your king is

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like you. You have earned some things for some

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reason. You already can't status. Right. And

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so like usually it's like I think it's like

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a like a dominance sort of kind of like the

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risk of something like Jordan Peterson, like

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a dominance, like hierarchy, you know, saying

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where it's just like a like I have earned this

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thing. I've conquered this thing. I've overcome

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this thing to have this thing. And that thrill

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feels good. And for some people, it's like

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much more of a rush than others. Like some people

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are just happy to survive. So they do what

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they have to do. Like I got to I got to hug

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the block to feed my family. Where some people

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is like, I just want the power that comes with

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it because, you know, taking someone out. I

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guess I want the power that comes with having

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some money. Hugging the block gives me this

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so I can be that. Yeah. You ever heard a term

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like what is it? Power, power corrupts, absolute

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power corrupts. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. Because

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like for me, like even my biggest factor with

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even joining the Navy, like my biggest thing

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was like, yo, I am tired of like constantly

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checking behind my back. Like that is a feeling

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that I was just like so fucking tired of having.

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I even because I was working, you know, at the

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airport. And I was working two jobs, making

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like pretty good bread. And people like I lived

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there my entire life. Like they know me. I

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didn't know what I was doing. Like they already

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know what's up with me. Like they knew I had

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money. Like, thank God, never been pressed or

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anything like that. But just like associate

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even by association of me, dapping up somebody

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from a block that I went to school with, like

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automatically pin me as like, oh, like this

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man, like folks with X group. You're guilty

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by association. Yeah, we're guilty by association.

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And then that wasn't the case, because I was

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cool with everybody. So like everybody knew,

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like I'm like really not fucking with nobody,

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but at the same time people knew like, I guess

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in their eyes, like I was doing something else,

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because I never worked in Brooklyn. You know

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what I mean? Like I was working in Manhattan.

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Looking in Queens, like sometimes not even the

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broads considered safer places that way. OK,

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you know, like even that paid more and shit.

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So they respected the grind. But then looking

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back, like it's like you see coming to it too.

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Right. Because like if niggas see niggas on

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the block every day and they see a nigga from

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like the same scenario they're doing, maybe

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even younger to making a bread that they can't

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make. They've been on the block like fucking

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20 years or like bettering themselves or they

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haven't better themselves like the amount of

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time that you've been that they've been here.

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That's like, yo, what the fuck is nigga doing?

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Just think of the piece like that. Like creeps

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in. Yeah. And they just be jealous. fact that

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they don't like you because they think that

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you think you're better than them, especially

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like that. Yeah, which is not the case at all.

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Like, bro, there was one time I was working

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at the airport, right? And it was like, I want

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to say like it was like March, April time frame.

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And I was wearing my jacket or whatever. And

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so I'm coming I'm coming back and this dude

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stops me. He's like, yo, what's up? What's up,

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young boy? I'm like. was good. Here we go.

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Yeah. And I was like, like kind of like on edge

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already. And it was like fucking like seven,

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like six, seven o'clock at night. And I'm like,

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yeah, what's up? He's like, yo, I see you working

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at the airport. Like you always stop by at this

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time. Like, like, how is it over there? And

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I'm like, that's that is crazy in and of itself.

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Imagine someone coming up to you in your daily

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commute. You've been doing this for like a couple

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of months. You're like, yo, I've been seeing

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you a lot recently. Like you do the same shit.

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This time, that's why I go. What the fuck?

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I rarely ever take the same route more than

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like three times in a row. Yeah. So he's like,

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oh, like, And I'm like obviously like I might

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go I live around here. He's like, okay, like

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what do you do? And I'm like, yo, like I work

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at the airport like I do XYZ whatever and he's

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like, I think you talking way too Yeah, bro.

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I would have a completely different fucking

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response I gotta go like cuz like cuz this dude

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sits in front of my building. So you know this

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nigga you like recognize his face Yeah, I recognize

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his face. It was like some random dude like

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he was just like, you know, you've seen where

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I live that right? you know the train stations

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like to like to Yeah, so it's like at one of

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the corners where I turned to go into my building

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Yeah, I would think so behind Cuz niggas be

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just in a neighborhood just like living their

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life But it's still pretty weird how would they

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get like he would notice if you see like the

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same thing in the same uniform Walking every

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day, but I wouldn't walk up to me and be like,

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yo, I be seeing you all the time at this time

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But what you be doing? Like what you probably

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would be? So basically was asking me like Yeah,

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what's your mother's maiden name? You never

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learned Stranger Danger at all. You cannot finish.

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I want to hear this one. It has a wholesome

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ending. Relax. I think you need to relax. So

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basically, he asked me these questions. I'm

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like, yeah. He's like, oh, how is it? How's

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the hiring? I'm like, yeah, it's good. What's

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up? You want a job? He's like, yeah, bro. I'm

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tired of slinging rocks over here, doing XYZ.

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doesn't ever know where to apply. Oh, like you

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don't got it. And I was like, yeah. And he's

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like, no. And I'm like, OK, like, well, I use

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this job to look up this. And then I look up,

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like, I'll use this website to look at the culture

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of the job and see, like, which one I like.

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And I just applied. Do you think in way too

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much? I think a lot of people don't even think

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about the culture of a place. I think he's trying

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to find a job. Like, yeah, it's like getting

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in a space. But it's different. He's probably

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coming out of high school and shit. Right.

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But this is something that's like trying to

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survive. Like, he probably don't know. Obviously,

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he doesn't know how to get a job. Yeah. I don't

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know if I can apply. I want to fill that out

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and cut you off. I think it's interesting how...

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So like how some things are such a foreign

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concept, you know, for me, I guess I take it

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for granted the fact that I have the knowledge

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that like, yeah, just go on indeed and make

13:08

a resume where a lot of people is never even

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a resume is such a form. Like they think that

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that's like a maybe a racial thing. Like, oh,

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man, I don't want to be a white person getting

13:18

a resume. That's weird. No facts. That's like

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that. I saw some people be and I was just there

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like, all right. So like explain it to him,

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the whole process or whatever. And I connected

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them. different spots, like he was asking me

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about like, Oh, what do you think about this?

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I was a chill like that. And it turns out like

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this dude has been in my building for like over

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20 years. Like he was there when my mom like

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first moved into the hood type of thing when

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he was like six or seven. And he noticed me

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like growing up and shit. And he's like, Oh,

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like he even know my brother who was like,

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who went to the army. You know what I'm saying?

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He did his 12 years, moved to Texas and he

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still remembered him. Like my own family. So

13:57

I was just like, oh, this is like a family,

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like a family like member that you didn't know

14:01

you had. Yeah. That's awesome. I can see that.

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Yeah. And I was like, what the fuck? So then

14:04

every time, like me and him chilling and all.

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And I went home for one Christmas and I almost

14:08

got pressed in my building. Like there was

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dudes like, oh, who the fuck you are? Like that.

14:13

And I had my sea bag and everything. Like because

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I didn't have a luggage case because I was going

14:17

to go pick it up. And they're like, oh, like

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He brought some fucking promises on the third.

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And him and a couple of the old dudes who I

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seen around the neighborhood pressed him. He

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was like, yo, what the fuck you doing? You

14:32

don't know, leave this man alone. Obviously

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he's doing some shit. This on the third, and

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he's just protecting me. Even then, I still

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get calls from my mom because she checks, he,

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she already knew of him, but because she figured

14:44

out that me and him talked, it bridged the

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link to open conversations. So she's always

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asking me, I'm I doing to tell him he's always

14:55

asking about me and I and then he always tells

14:55

me like oh like I be making sure like mom's

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good or whatever, you know, I'm saying like

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shit like that and I was like Well, I was thinking

15:05

about this shit like yesterday and like in my

15:05

car because you know, like I'm doing like a

15:09

lot of different shit in my life and The main

15:09

the main question I had in my mind was like,

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yo Like imagine if this man had different intentions.

15:15

You know what I mean? Like immediately I brought

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it up to y'all and y'all was instantly like,

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oh, like they not talking too much and shit

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like that. But to me, nigga, I was just like,

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yo, why can't I just help him out? You know

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what I mean? No, I agree with that though. And

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then everybody's mentality is always like,

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oh, like fuck this nigga, like fuck this bitch.

15:32

Like I'm gonna do this, this and this, like

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hating. Or like why can't we just uplift each

15:37

other? Like in such a like dog eat dog world.

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like at a certain point, like people forget

15:43

the fact that like none of us did this shit

15:47

by ourselves. You know what I mean? Like. Well,

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when I was raising the question, I didn't mean

15:52

it from a fuck this nigga type of mentality.

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I'm like. From the from the way, because obviously

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we none of us were there in that situation at

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that time, we didn't. I promise you, I was

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exactly how you imagine. I imagine that shit

16:02

happened. But it's like a lot of factors, because

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you said you knew the nigga, right? And like.

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To some degree. Yeah, you recognize this. Like

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if I know anything, I'm going to be a lot more

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or a lot less hostile to a nigga that I don't

16:17

know. Right. Like if I've never had a car. Like

16:17

I've never seen talk to my mother before. I

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probably am not your mom. I'm not like I've

16:21

never seen you even talk to my like family.

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You know, I don't know, you know, like any of

16:25

my siblings. I'm not I'm not spinning your

16:29

face, but you say I'm not just I'm going to

16:29

be restrictive of what the info about me that

16:35

I give you. You know what I'm saying? I'm not

16:35

going to be so engaging for real. I'm honestly

16:39

I'm the kind of person like I don't care how

16:39

rude it looks. I'm like, no, I'm good. Like,

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I'm sorry. I'm not buying what you're selling.

16:44

Like, whatever. You could be asked me what

16:47

time it is. I'm like, yeah, I don't know. I

16:47

have no idea. I have. Now, that is great. I'll

16:51

be so tight, bro. Yeah, because I don't want

16:51

I don't want you to even say as fucking. I'm

16:55

like, it's like funny. It's just more like damn,

16:55

they go like even if you have an Apple watch

17:00

or something, you can't be like, I literally

17:00

I give people. I make sure I look at people

17:03

that I don't know. Like I'm talking like on

17:03

the street. And if we make I can say I like

17:07

I shake my head of stare like don't try whatever

17:07

you think about trying like if it's like to

17:12

ask me where the nearest block is even if it's

17:12

right in front of us look around he's on you

17:17

with not me it's funny because I'd like have

17:17

you ever like had an experience with like something

17:21

like walking up to ask like random questions

17:21

or something like having a random interaction

17:25

like somebody's downfall some shit like that

17:25

I'm asking the element of P yeah I've had it

17:30

before there's not so Not something, nothing

17:30

that sticks out. I'm sure I've had more where

17:37

I thought, this was like kind of sketchy, but

17:37

like, I try to care myself respectfully, you

17:44

know what I'm saying? But for me, the bit, the...

17:44

You know, before I even start going on a tangent,

17:51

give me the question that you're trying to ask.

17:51

The reason I ask the question is because a

17:53

lot of people base their behaviors on past experiences.

17:53

Yeah. To protect themselves, you know, like

17:57

that. So I'm like, OK, you do this, this and

17:57

this or because of the culture, right? Because

18:00

like me being from New York, it's like I'm about

18:00

my business. I'm going where I'm going. If

18:04

I bump into a nigga, I say, yo, I'm sorry. And

18:04

I can see people. I only wait to see that nigga

18:07

now. Yeah. But in general, I'm like about my

18:07

business. A nigga like come up to me and I

18:12

don't know him. I'm like, no, like, shit like

18:12

that. Shit like you said, it's like a culture

18:16

type thing. Here's what I think. Yeah, go ahead.

18:16

It is I think there's things such as vicarious

18:23

learning is a term that I learned in the one

18:23

semester that I took psychology and I think

18:30

vicarious learning plays a big part for a lot

18:30

of people. There's there was this experiment

18:33

I don't remember the name of the experiment

18:33

where maybe it was a thought experiment, but

18:38

the scientists basically had a group of monkeys

18:38

and like a generation of monkeys is crazy a

18:43

generation of animals if you feel better, but

18:43

You know this generation No, so listen, they

18:51

had these primates in like an enclosure of sorts.

18:51

And something there was there was some amount

18:59

of stimuli that they would give the primates

18:59

if like things that you like they were building

19:06

rules for the monkeys without actually telling

19:06

them anything because you can't really communicate.

19:10

There's no it's not like they were silent signing

19:10

at them. They were only like the monkeys were

19:13

learning in the human and the experimenters.

19:13

The researchers were recording this, right?

19:19

So after a certain point, maybe this generation

19:19

of monkeys had learned the rules. If you pick

19:28

up this amount of bananas, you get a light shock

19:28

or a heart shock, who knows? If you pick up

19:32

this amount of bananas, you get nothing. You

19:32

get the bananas, right? I'm botching how the

19:37

experiment actually went, but what I'm saying

19:37

is, as time went on, that generation of monkeys

19:40

had been removed. And then another generation

19:40

of monkeys would come along. But they would

19:44

maybe leave a monkey from the previous generation.

19:44

there. What they would do, what they would

19:52

notice is that monkey would tell the other monkeys

19:52

basically the rules of the place that they

19:58

were in. And so as time went on, when that monkey

19:58

eventually dies or they remove that monkey

20:02

from the enclosure and another generation would

20:02

go on, even though the generation had never

20:06

experienced a negative stimulus from, like they

20:06

had learned from the first generation, those

20:12

monkeys would just... what behaviors as though

20:12

they had already received that experience,

20:19

even though they never did. You know what I'm

20:19

saying? Now that you talk about that, I do

20:22

remember that exact same experiment. It was

20:22

a it was specifically a pile of bananas. Yeah.

20:28

And if they touched any of the bananas, they

20:28

were shocked. Yeah. And it wasn't like you

20:34

were saying, it wasn't until we don't endorse

20:34

animal cruelty. Yeah. But it wasn't until the

20:40

original group was fully replaced. except for

20:40

one member, to continue the A, don't touch

20:47

the bananas. No one really realized it. So just

20:47

to get to the point of the experiment, it's

20:55

like, don't touch the stove. It's like you learning

20:55

to not touch the stove before burning yourself.

21:03

Yeah. Is the is the entire purpose of the experiment.

21:03

It's like why? And I want to add, I'm not sure

21:09

if that falls under the umbrella of vicarious

21:09

learning. It just it feels similar in that

21:14

way where it's like I if I'm walking on the

21:14

street and I see I'm walking in a town that

21:18

I don't that I'm not familiar with, but I see

21:18

something occur to someone else without them

21:24

having told me that, you know, what happened?

21:24

I can make some level of inference. Okay, well

21:29

he was walking down walking down the street

21:29

and he was doing this So I'll make sure to

21:33

not do exactly what he was doing because I don't

21:33

want that whatever negative thing that happened

21:36

to him That happened to me. You know, I'm saying

21:36

yeah, I think that falls around the lines like

21:40

the culture I was talking because I yeah vicariously

21:40

literally means like learning through someone

21:44

else Yeah, putting yourself someone else shoes

21:44

like experience their life And yeah, like through

21:47

culture like, you know, like to do a certain

21:47

thing a certain way and then you can get through

21:50

life It will be easier shit like that. Yeah,

21:50

and that's why people I guess in New York or

21:54

wherever you're from They like interact with

21:54

people differently like they see different

21:57

experiences. They like, okay I won't be so friendly

21:57

to someone I don't know. Or I will be friendly

22:02

to someone. If you grew up in Utah, like the

22:02

South. The South seems like a friendly place.

22:05

The South is very friendly. Very friendly place.

22:05

Like, help your neighbor, love that neighbor

22:09

type stuff like that. Like a complete sidebar.

22:09

Like even when I was younger, I would say like

22:15

1920 or whatever. Like, obviously, I've been

22:15

experiencing like a whole bunch of like different

22:20

shit happening around my hood. And like people

22:20

said, people can jump. I even for when like

22:25

regular like Jordans that are beat up like just

22:25

to snatch them off their feet type stuff. And

22:30

I remember specifically like just like having

22:30

like brand new J's like Gucci belt, like a

22:36

fire trench coat, whatever like Nike Tech. And

22:36

I'll walk from like Williamsburg all the way

22:41

to my hood. like at fucking two o'clock in the

22:41

morning, not giving a fuck. And then when I

22:46

went back recently, like probably like a year

22:46

ago, like obviously I had my camera had like

22:51

more expensive shit. And then I was just there

22:51

like, why the fuck did I do that? You know

22:55

what I mean? Because I guess like I grew comfortable

22:55

in that scenario that was just like, like whatever

23:00

if it happened, happens like now, because I

23:00

couldn't avoid it. Like that's where I live.

23:04

But now that I like remove myself from the situation,

23:04

I'm a lot more cautious of like shit that I

23:09

do now. Well, maybe you have more now than you

23:09

did before. Perhaps. I mean, there was a second

23:15

line there. Well, I guess what I'm saying, I

23:15

think that and maybe also, like you have, like

23:20

a lot of things that you have, I'm not talking

23:20

for everybody, but I feel like a lot of things

23:23

that people have, especially in the West, even

23:23

people who are in a lower socioeconomic bracket,

23:30

a lot of things that you receive are from your

23:30

parents. You don't necessarily earn anything

23:36

necessarily as a child, per se. You can't legally

23:36

work as an eight-year-old. You can't technically,

23:42

I mean you can get a permit if you're like 14

23:42

or something like that, 15, but for the most

23:45

part, a lot of the things that people get, they

23:45

receive as a gift at a young age. And so maybe

23:53

those things, and then a lot of things that

23:53

you receive depending on where you're from

23:57

or how much money's flown through the household,

23:57

a lot of the things that you receive don't

24:00

really have that much value. So on one end you

24:00

have people who grow up, and maybe they grow

24:05

up maybe poor, and so they feel super duper

24:05

protective of the stuff that they have. and

24:11

maybe people who still grow up or they... They

24:11

don't feel as protective of the things they

24:17

have because they don't even the value of the

24:17

thing isn't that valuable to them. I mean,

24:21

I've been paying for all my shirts since I was

24:21

15. Right. So, you know, maybe I'm 14. Yeah,

24:27

I think it's funny. Not that I keep on. Oh,

24:27

no. For me, no, I was I grew up a lot of stuff

24:33

that I was everything that I ever owned has

24:33

always been a gift. Grandmother, you know,

24:37

saying my mother, you know, work really hard.

24:37

So my parents worked really hard to just give

24:42

me gifts and everything wasn't perfect, but

24:42

it was always a gift. of value in those things,

24:46

but I guess I'm a little bit different. I can't

24:46

really use me as an example, but I feel like...

24:52

Things that I have now, like my car, like I

24:52

purchased my car. I'm much more ready to like

24:59

defend it because it's I earned it. I worked

24:59

hard to get it. You know, you know what I'm

25:04

saying? Whereas like maybe someone else might

25:04

not feel that way if it's like if it's given

25:09

to me, you know what I'm saying? What I'm not.

25:09

I'm sorry, country. I might be crazy, but I

25:13

have a theory about that. Like as you get older,

25:13

things that you work for become like more valuable

25:18

to you. Right. Because I think like when you're

25:18

younger, you don't really have a sense of time,

25:21

right? Like when you're like 15, like I was

25:21

saying, you always want to grow older. Like,

25:25

yo, when I get to this point, I'll be like this,

25:25

this and this. Like, what do you see yourself

25:27

in like five years type shit, right? But if

25:27

you really think about it, when you're younger,

25:32

like, like I said, you don't have that grasp

25:32

of time like you're getting older and older

25:35

and older. Right. So like, say you said you

25:35

ask your parents or like mostly stuff was like

25:38

a gift. Right. So I never asked. I never asked

25:38

for anything. It was more like there's more

25:42

like, hey, you can't walk out naked. So we're

25:42

going to give you clothes. You know, you know,

25:46

yeah, I got you. I got you. But it was like,

25:46

OK, I got this. Now this is mine. And now I'm

25:51

walking around with it. like I think it threatens

25:51

me like, yeah, it's not worth my life. I'll

25:54

give it up. Right. Well, as you get older, you

25:54

like start working, right? Like you work for

25:58

your money. You put in time, you get your bread,

25:58

you spend your bread on this shit. Now you

26:02

get this shit. This shit is worth a lot to you.

26:02

Yeah. So it's like a time turning into like

26:07

a possession that you own. And like that is

26:07

like. It's like the more time you spend trying

26:11

to get it, most might the more time you try

26:11

to get it. It's like the more valuable it's

26:15

here. And as you get older, your time is like

26:15

more valuable. It's like you're getting older,

26:18

right? I don't know if you're closer to death

26:18

or but you see your effort getting greater

26:22

and greater according to an actuary you would

26:22

be. Yeah. OK, nigga. But anyway, yeah, as you

26:28

grow older, your time becomes valuable to you

26:28

and you spend more time to make your bread

26:32

and get the shit that you want. So like over

26:32

and over, you see like you see more often how

26:36

your time is turning into the shit that you

26:36

own. And if you get that shit like threatened,

26:40

or you get it taken away from you like, damn,

26:40

I just wasted my time. You know, it's crazy.

26:43

I think like I definitely get what you're saying.

26:43

But I feel like I'm sometimes in an anomaly

26:50

to what you just explained. So check this out.

26:50

Are you build different? No, no, no. Not like

26:56

that. But basically, right. The same the similar

26:56

thing where he's saying like you buy all your

27:00

stuff. Like I bought every single thing that

27:00

I own, obviously. Right. But like for me, for

27:05

example, like sneakers and like I wear like

27:05

five hundred dollars pairs of sneakers. shit

27:10

off on like slippers, like easy slides. Like

27:10

the first day I got them spent two hundred.

27:16

Immediately went on a flight to the yard and

27:16

then went dirt bike riding on the side of a

27:21

mountain straight into a river. And they want

27:21

not imagine these shits got fucked up. Yeah,

27:26

but it's like it's still yours at that point,

27:26

right? No matter how much you fucked them up,

27:29

it's still yours. But imagine if you if you

27:29

just bought them shits. No, I'm just saying

27:33

I just bought them that day. Got them in the

27:33

box. But yeah, you own them, right? But like,

27:37

imagine you got in on your way to the airport.

27:37

Niggas stopped your cab. This is like a complete

27:41

dumbass situation. Niggas stopped your cab,

27:41

robbed the cab, took them just off your feet.

27:45

And you had to go to the airport like without

27:45

without. And you couldn't even go there by

27:48

getting on them to shit. You never experienced

27:48

anything with them. You just got your shit.

27:51

And I'll be tight. But you know what I'm saying?

27:51

Like, I still make use of all my shit. Like

27:55

at a certain point, bro, if I'm getting robbed

27:55

at gunpoint, I don't go for it. Your life is

27:58

more important. Yeah. That's the age that I'm

27:58

telling you, like I just don't care. Like all

28:02

the shit that I buy is literally I viewed as

28:02

like either gifts to myself or shit to entertain

28:08

myself. But maybe there's a threshold. You know

28:08

what I mean? Yeah, I actually understand that.

28:12

Maybe there's a threshold. So to your point,

28:12

Ethan, it's like I feel like we. the time part,

28:21

right? Like we can only exist as we are, as

28:21

who we are. And the time that we use, a lot

28:26

of the time is spent working and we use, in

28:26

exchange for our time, we were working, we

28:31

received some money, right? So like we put ourselves

28:31

into those things. So when we ever we buy stuff,

28:36

houses, cars, clothes, it's like, it's an extension

28:36

of who we are. So that's why I feel like people

28:41

become guarded about that. They're more protective

28:41

of those things because these things are representative

28:46

of me. You stealing this from me is like stealing

28:46

a part of me. A lot of people get really defensive.

28:51

But on the other end, this happens that you

28:51

get older. On the other end, or like the other

28:56

side of the spectrum, or as we hit there's a

28:56

threshold where as you get older, also things

29:02

matter less to you. Not that things necessarily

29:02

matter less to you, but what matters to you

29:05

and those values tend to fluctuate very drastically

29:05

over like it's been like every 10 years, let's

29:11

just say. Yeah, I feel like I feel like a good

29:11

example that would be like when you were like

29:16

around like 14, 15, you put on like your best

29:16

fit the mall, you know what I'm saying? Try

29:21

to impress somebody. But like, once you get

29:21

older, you're like, bro, I'm finna go to the

29:26

mall and like, do slides or shorts or some shit,

29:26

you know what I'm saying? I'm just trying to

29:30

get some shit. I mean, I feel like that's a

29:30

good example. And I feel like the whole concept

29:35

of time, like to go off like the concept of

29:35

value in regards to time, it's like, when you

29:42

were younger, if you think of it from a fractional

29:42

point of view, Right. You you have like you.

29:52

As like if you're younger, you've spent like

29:52

the fraction is small, like larger, you know,

29:59

saying, you know. But as you get older, you've

29:59

spent more time. That's why I feel like time

30:04

flies faster because you've already, you've

30:04

lived through more life. You have more experience.

30:09

So I feel like due to the amount of experiences

30:09

that you've had as you've gotten older, you

30:17

tend to value and appreciate certain things

30:17

more. Hmm. But the fractions become like larger,

30:24

like in value to you. Like the bottom line is

30:24

like, yeah, as you as your years go on. I'm

30:27

just honestly like I'm thinking of it like mathematically.

30:27

I actually feel like, you know, I'm not this

30:32

hard, bro. No, but I'm saying like I'm thinking

30:32

of it like a derivative sort of. Yeah, it's

30:36

exponential. That's literally what I'm thinking

30:36

of an exponent curve. And I just thought it

30:41

was. I was just trying to make sure I have the

30:41

concept. Yes. Yeah. Calculus, man. Yeah, we've

30:47

been talking a lot of deep shit, bro. I love

30:47

it. This is good. This is for this for the

30:52

nice. Thanks. Appreciate it. I just remember

30:52

before we started recording, we talked about

30:55

like nigga shit. You know, I'm talking about.

30:55

No, I don't. Yeah. You know, what was he talking

31:00

about? This was a start on that conversation.

31:00

Like what? people do like past times. I feel

31:07

like we weren't talking about anything heavily

31:07

ignorant though. I mean, nigga shit doesn't

31:12

have to mean like ignorant. The term actually

31:12

literally almost means. Oh really? The term

31:16

nigga in the dictionary means ignorant. You

31:16

can look it up. What? Let's look a nigga in

31:20

the Oxford dictionary. It's gonna say like it's

31:20

a racial epithet, but also like the term is

31:26

used to. describe someone who's ignorant. How

31:26

do we get here, though? How do we get? I think

31:30

we're talking about like, oh, I'm talking about

31:30

how do we get from like, how did he was? No,

31:35

shut the fuck up. I was talking. We was talking

31:35

about Oprah, right? And then we was talking

31:41

about Lord of the Flies. And then we talked

31:41

about our possession. Then we talked about

31:44

the mind. Yeah. And then there was like a story

31:44

that came out of this. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Like

31:50

how people how people's behaviors in like towards

31:50

it's right. I think I think going on a more

31:56

lighthearted note, I feel like the like the

31:56

best way to summarize this whole thing. It's

32:04

a J. Cole outro. And it's like it's like someone

32:04

else talking. And it's like the whole concept

32:10

is like, look, if I got my plate in front of

32:10

me with my food and you got your plate. Why

32:17

are you worried about what I'm eating when you

32:17

could be yourself? Yeah, that's like, you know,

32:21

you know, you know, I get the song. I fit the

32:21

song. I feel like it's just a that should look

32:26

good over there. That's why I'm worried about

32:26

it. OK, but we both got the same plate. No,

32:32

I mean, it's different for different things,

32:32

but if I got the fuck out a different plate

32:35

and I'm looking at nothing like, you got ribs,

32:35

all I got is chicken. How do ribs taste? How

32:39

do ribs taste? All right. They both protein,

32:39

you know, saying you get you. You know what

32:43

I'm saying? Speaking of ProZ, I'll be in the

32:43

gym. Do y'all think it's workout? No, I'll

32:50

be working out sometimes. I'm about to get in

32:50

like for real, for real. What you about to

32:53

get into? Like once I get back? Yeah, like what

32:53

is your goal? in terms of like work, because

33:00

people work out for different days. Some people

33:00

want to be bodybuilders. Some people want to

33:03

be the strongest thing on a block. Some people

33:03

want to just like look good for females. Like,

33:07

what's your motivation? It's mainly just to

33:07

have fun and look good. What's your motivation?

33:11

I feel confident with how I look, but it's mainly

33:11

like for the fun of it, because like I'm trying

33:15

to get into like Olympic weightlifting. Well,

33:15

you think you want to be an Olympian? No, no,

33:19

no. Why? Like powerlifting? Yeah, not necessarily

33:19

powerlifting, but it's like sweeps. like cleans

33:26

yummy. Do I probably the pilot? You know, so

33:26

I was there just said, but just yes. You say

33:32

I'm not I'm not I'm not trying to like. Short

33:32

term, my goal is thousand pound club, maybe

33:38

like 50 hundred pound club. Very easily done.

33:38

You know, I agree for some niggas. Everyone

33:44

at the table could use a thousand pound club.

33:44

I agree. I agree. I agree. But but like my

33:50

point is I'm just trying to have fun with it.

33:50

Yeah. And I'm just trying to get to the point

33:53

where like where when I'm older, I can look

33:53

back and be like, yeah, I did. I reached my

33:59

potential. I was that nigga at one point. I

33:59

was that nigga. It's like, you know, it's like

34:06

because I feel like if you don't reach a limit

34:06

at like, quote unquote, the peak of your life,

34:12

I feel like you kind of kind of you wasted some

34:12

time. What would you consider the peak in your

34:15

life, though? Like everybody is everybody at

34:15

this table is on the 20 in their 20s. Right.

34:20

And I think I read an article that was like,

34:20

oh, yeah, the peak males like males reached

34:25

their peak at 26. Right. Or like they're I thought

34:25

it was like towards 30, to be honest. To a

34:30

study. I mean, like I only believe in that,

34:30

though, to be honest. I mean, I know I'm sure

34:33

it's like a biologist would probably say otherwise,

34:33

but I really don't agree with that. There's

34:38

so many, like, OK, for example, Chris Kyle,

34:38

Rest in Peace, you know, American sniper, he

34:43

had to get a waiver to become a Navy SEAL. To

34:43

be a Navy SEAL, like the qualifications for

34:47

that, a lot of people who are young like by

34:47

10 years, like a lot of a lot of special forces

34:51

guys on average are like the youngest man might

34:51

be might be 18 because maybe he's a phenom,

34:57

but usually they're like 25, the average youngest

34:57

person and everyone else. On average, I talk

35:02

to a guy. I talked to a guy who was a EOD. And

35:02

he said that he was 28 years old or 29. He

35:10

had gray in his beard. He was very rugged. And

35:10

he said that he's the youngest person, like

35:14

everyone that he he's an instructor. And the

35:14

people that he teaches are 32 or 33 on average.

35:20

Word is this is because, yes, the physical aspect

35:20

is very rigorous and very challenging, but

35:27

most of that shit is mental. And for to. Yeah.

35:27

You know what I'm saying? Because like most

35:33

of that, most of the training is in a is in

35:33

a controlled environment. They just increased

35:39

chaos and stress. Yeah. To compensate for the.

35:39

the hazard of the occupation later on. Yes,

35:48

it is somehow. Yes. So you feel dangerous. Yeah.

35:48

But what I think is just like to what you're

35:53

saying, you know, like I have heard like, oh,

35:53

yeah, people you usually see. I've heard people

35:58

say like after 18, after 21, I've heard people

35:58

say after 25, at the 30, usually 30. And I

36:03

think 30, 35. And I think I'm going bullshit

36:03

on it. To be honest, I feel like you I don't

36:10

think that you can go out and fly because you

36:10

believe that you can fly. But I do believe

36:13

that I do. that if you push yourself to your

36:13

limit, you will find limits that you never

36:20

thought existed. Well, it can also be a thing

36:20

where like they're thinking about, OK, your

36:24

physical peak, if you were to start at this

36:24

point, would be higher. If you started at the

36:29

other point. So your physical peak at 25 will

36:29

be higher than your peak at 30. I'm not saying

36:33

niggas can't reach a peak. Like people could

36:33

do incredible things at any age, right? If

36:36

you put your mind to it. But I think the point

36:36

of that whole, like statistical, what people

36:41

say is your physical peak is like you can reach

36:41

your highest. people on average, reach their

36:46

highest height at this age. I understand that.

36:46

I just think because it's the same thing with

36:50

intellect. There is an astrophysicist that worked with

36:54

Richard Feynman, famous physicist and mathematician

37:00

and thing, and Neil deGrasse Tyson, all those

37:00

guys. And he wasn't a genius through high school.

37:06

He decided to become a physicist midway through,

37:06

I think he was raised in New York, midway through.

37:15

Yeah, midway through, he never... He decided,

37:15

he told his father, who was like a butcher,

37:20

I think. I think I want to do physics. And his

37:20

father being an immigrant and a butcher, he's

37:26

like, I don't know what that is. Be a lawyer

37:26

or something. You know what I'm saying? And

37:32

now he's intellectually on par with some of

37:32

the greatest minds that have ever existed,

37:36

as far as his contributions to science. Albert

37:36

Einstein, I was watching a channel on YouTube,

37:45

and they were saying, they were asking, the

37:45

question was, how common are geniuses and are

37:53

geniuses? Something that's necessary, not necessary,

37:53

I'm sorry. our genius is something that happens

38:03

like, is there like a prime age or prime whatever,

38:03

like environment? And basically there was some

38:10

study saying that between the ages, like there's

38:10

a point where the likelihood of you becoming

38:15

a genius just kind of is reduced. And there's

38:15

a lot of factors, like how much interest you

38:20

have in the thing, all this other stuff, motivation,

38:20

the energy to go to school, all that stuff.

38:24

So you're more likely to find like genius level

38:24

activities or like, you know, like, you know,

38:31

a higher mass or higher science minded people

38:31

between the ages of let's just say 16 to 23,

38:38

24 maybe. But after that you kind of start to,

38:38

you have already, you should have already published

38:43

some papers or something like that. And I'm

38:43

probably misquoting it, but all I'm saying

38:46

is things like physical ability, mental ability,

38:46

I don't believe in that there is a limit. I

38:51

think whatever limit you put on yourself. So

38:51

my thoughts on this is basically like. We,

38:56

like in our fields now, right? A lot of people

38:56

don't go to college. Either they go to college

39:01

or they dropped out and then do the job that

39:01

we do. Yeah. But when we leave, all everybody

39:08

talks about is going to college. You know what

39:08

I'm saying? At a certain point, I feel like

39:12

you hit that maturity level where you start

39:12

taking shit a lot more seriously. Because when

39:17

you're younger, right, you don't give a fuck,

39:17

right? Like you're 18, you do whatever. it

39:22

your 21st birthday, all you want to do is go

39:22

out club, like do X, Y, Z, and then you hit

39:28

a certain point in life and you're like, hold

39:28

up, I cannot be dumb. You know what I mean?

39:32

There's a lot less distractions I feel like.

39:32

When you're older. You've already done everything.

39:36

You know what I mean? But it kind of ties into,

39:36

I don't want to cut you off, but it kind of

39:39

ties into you like the material thing. Like

39:39

when you're older, the things that you care

39:42

about start to become, you know. wider in some

39:42

sense, like in more narrow in others. You put

39:49

more value into things that I guess society

39:49

would see important. As you get older, you're

39:53

like, OK, I got to buy a house. Yeah, I got

39:53

to get these things in order. Because if I

39:57

know X, Y, Z degree or like I have to do X,

39:57

Y, Z job, I have to be on a certain positional

40:01

level at X, Y, Z job. Depending on what experiences

40:01

you might have, like I said, using the physics

40:06

is like, you know, you might realize midway

40:06

through, you know, your 20s, like, oh, I really

40:12

this is what I'm actually interested in. I would.

40:12

college for a brief very brief period and I

40:18

chose a school based off cultural influences

40:18

and then I chose my degree based off what everyone

40:26

else, I kept hearing everyone at that school

40:26

say business, because that's what everyone

40:30

does. I don't know about business, I don't really

40:30

care about money to the point where I would

40:33

like to study even the economy. And I took those

40:33

courses and I wanted to pitiful them, but I

40:41

also just wasn't interested in them. It wasn't

40:41

until like five, six years later that I'm in

40:45

the field that I'm in now where I said, oh,

40:45

I think I like math, or I think I like engineering.

40:50

I think I'm interested in those things. you

40:50

appeal more to who I am as a person. But were

40:55

you were you actually interested or was it just

40:55

another thing you were going along with? Do

40:58

you think at this point we talk about engineering?

40:58

Yeah, yeah. Um, no, I think, uh, I think, I

41:05

feel like it's like, uh, what's the word I'm

41:05

looking for? Sort of like, uh, I want to I

41:10

want to butcher this in like a broad sense.

41:10

What can feed me? like realistically, like

41:16

give me a career field that can feed me consistently

41:16

and give me a life that I think is comfortable

41:22

and also engage me, stimulate me intellectually.

41:22

So what would you do that is at this point

41:28

in your life? So again, what do you what would

41:28

you think would do those things at this point

41:32

in your life? Like not as you like, you like

41:32

going to college. You're in the field that

41:35

you're in now. Right. So like, but you're like

41:35

still at it like I guess I would say a turning

41:39

point in your life. Right. Would you say what

41:39

would you say is that thing you're looking

41:43

towards now that you think can fulfill your

41:43

needs? and comfortability. Short answer, engineering.

41:50

But I think that honestly, I think that's true

41:50

for everyone. I think everyone, I think being

41:53

an engineer will be equivalent to being a mechanic

41:53

today. In the next 20 years, it'll be, being

41:58

a mechanical engineer will be like being a mechanic.

41:58

Especially with the advent of like AI and the

42:04

advancement of technology as it is. I think

42:04

that more engineers will pop up more and more.

42:09

It'll just spike. You know what's crazy? Like

42:09

kind of like piggybacking on what you were

42:13

saying about like nowadays. to be something

42:13

more sustainable or whatever. Like for me,

42:18

it's the complete opposite. Like doing my field

42:18

now, like, bro, I was set. I'm like, I'm going

42:24

to get an aeronautical engineering degree because

42:24

I love playing tough, like playing enthusiast

42:30

all the way or just not as before or after you

42:30

before the Navy. And I was just like, you know,

42:34

I want to do aerospace engineering and aeronautical

42:34

even electrical engineering, because I was

42:39

good at like my electronic shops. You know,

42:39

I'm saying when I went to school to be an aircraft

42:44

mechanic and I was like, every time I joined,

42:44

like I was thinking about it. But then I got

42:48

to the fleet, got to the ship, started doing

42:48

like a front end of maintenance. y'all like

42:54

people designing this shit. And like people

42:54

spending a lot of time, a lot of math, a lot

42:58

of calculations. And I realized bro, like I

42:58

don't wanna do none of that shit. I'm like

43:04

for me, like I like doing electrical stuff.

43:04

You know what I'm saying? I like managing people.

43:09

Like I like doing those things. Those type of

43:09

things. And now I completely shifted like my

43:15

mindset from like not being an engineer, but

43:15

being like more of like a project manager,

43:21

operations manager, you know what I mean? like

43:21

heavily in the like electrical field just like

43:27

a completely different turn to it. I think that's

43:27

an interesting phenomenon because I think it

43:32

I mean it's everyone for the most parts is uh

43:32

play sports I mean obviously this is broad

43:40

very broad general thing to say but a lot of

43:40

people play sports a lot of men play sports

43:44

and I think a lot of men have dreams going to

43:44

pro football player pro basketball player pro

43:49

whatever else other sport you think of to do

43:49

it and they get like just at the door of it

43:58

and they decide, I don't really like it like

43:58

that. They get to the college level, which

44:01

is just like, we'll say not the door, but it's

44:01

literally like in the driveway. So like a D1

44:05

school. They go to D1 school, they even, they're

44:05

like, they're doing well on the team and then

44:09

they just decide midway through, I don't love

44:09

it, I'd rather do music. Or I don't love it,

44:12

I really just don't wanna be on a team. I'm

44:12

good at it and it's fun, but that's, it's not

44:17

fun anymore, it was more fun when I was eight.

44:17

going off that topic. What I'm going to talk

44:22

about is like specifically like towards basketball.

44:22

But I think it could apply to most sports.

44:28

Usually at a collegiate level, things are things

44:28

are ran differently. Like I heard this NBA

44:37

All-Star, I forget his name right now. But he

44:37

was he was talking about how like playing basketball

44:42

from high school to the NBA felt like that whole

44:42

transition, like you know, all that time. And

44:48

he said that playing in the NBA felt more like

44:48

playing basketball in high school as compared

44:56

to college, because they in college, they in

44:56

the they mainly like the coach mainly wanted

45:07

them to play their position. And that was it.

45:07

Well, rather like in on a high school level,

45:14

typically the coaches were. less rigid and we're

45:14

more OK with you being fluid in your dynamic

45:21

on the team and what you brought. And I feel

45:21

like you could you can kind of see that in

45:25

the NBA. I'm not that big of a NBA fan, but

45:25

I can definitely I definitely know it enough

45:32

to the point where I could be like. positions

45:32

don't necessarily matter as much as they did

45:37

20 to 30 years ago. That might be a cultural,

45:37

culturally, everybody, everybody shooting right

45:42

now. You know what I'm saying? But I think also

45:42

because that's like the cultural evolution

45:46

behind what the cultural and just athletic evolution,

45:46

you know, like before you had people like Magic

45:54

Johnson, who was just like for his size to be

45:54

as fluid as he is, as he was revolutionary.

46:00

Yeah. But now and the people like Shaq was like,

46:00

seven feet, I just don't have to do nothing.

46:06

It's still he's still powerful for his side.

46:06

But now everybody is kind of a phenom. It's

46:13

kind of true. But like becoming a phenom really

46:13

doesn't have much weight anymore. And that's

46:18

why I feel like because like sometimes like

46:18

you'll hear older cats say like, oh, it's not

46:22

nearly as aggressive, like any sport. It's not

46:22

nearly as aggressive as it was. One, you guys

46:27

didn't know about CT, but to long, long. The

46:27

longevity game wasn't something that people

46:31

thought about. Everything was very finite and

46:31

fleeting. I think this is probably the more

46:36

important factor in it. Everyone, the game has

46:36

evolved such that where everyone kind of has

46:44

this sort of understanding that anything and

46:44

everyone is replaceable and that everyone's

46:51

sort of kind of positions are very fluid. Like

46:51

they just understand that because of the evolution

46:57

athletically, you know? Because everybody like

46:57

now, like I was watching a marathon. Like I

47:03

know I was talking shit about marathon videos.

47:03

But like this was like a while ago, but this

47:08

was some dude who was running like an entire

47:08

marathon and like, I think it was like a 430

47:14

minute mile. Was it a was it a was it a African?

47:14

Can you do short guys? You know, Elliot and

47:20

he had a team and the way they did it was like

47:20

they had a dude or somebody run in front of

47:25

him to break the wind resistance. That way he

47:25

could have like pretty much no shout out. Elliot

47:30

Kipchoge. We love you. That was great. So, you

47:30

know, the exact thing I know, I know exactly.

47:35

I mentioned him last. I brought in a world record.

47:35

Dude is a made up sub two hour. Crazy, so crazy.

47:40

Basically, going along with that, like the dudes

47:40

I was talking about, it was like, you know,

47:44

this shit was impossible. like 50 years ago.

47:44

No one thought about it. Yeah, because nobody

47:48

actually trained like for it. Like now we have

47:48

like dedicated technologies like Nike's running

47:53

shoes. Yeah, VO2 max and all that. Like people

47:53

have gas masks. Yeah, or even like basketballs

47:58

are different than they were like even 30 years

47:58

ago. Like it wasn't made from whatever, you

48:02

know what I mean? Fundamentals don't really

48:02

mean the same thing anymore. Yeah, like the

48:05

fundamentals have changed, but then people change

48:05

with it. Cause now instead of doing the show

48:09

in the past time, like even back in the day,

48:09

like when the Olympics first started, like

48:12

there were people that were like, doing like

48:12

meal deliveries, you know what I'm saying?

48:16

That we're like delivering milk and shit. It

48:16

was like being a truck driver and then your

48:20

part time job is also big. Yeah, but now everybody's

48:20

baseball. Yeah, like everybody's full time

48:27

job. Like if you're an athlete is to be an athlete,

48:27

literally to push the boundaries of whatever

48:32

it is in your field of sport, I guess. I feel

48:32

like a lot of niggas have to ramp up no matter

48:37

what. Like. I don't know. You started you started

48:37

at a certain point, right? But after a certain

48:42

point, think it gets stacked. And right. Just

48:42

like at a job and you start a new job. Oh,

48:46

I feel great. It's a new thing. I'm learning

48:46

new things. I'm doing new things. Yeah. But

48:49

if you go on, you get like you feel like you're

48:49

in a rut. You say so it has to ramp up. You

48:53

have to get something new. We have to feel like

48:53

you're doing something. You have to do something

48:56

as one up in the day you were doing before.

48:56

So in that way, OK, athletes are like. At the

49:02

end of the day, all like sports and shit mostly

49:02

are entertainment. That's why it's a big business.

49:05

The NBA is entertainment. That's why I generate

49:05

so much revenue. People are buying tickets.

49:09

People are doing stuff. They're filling stadiums,

49:09

yada, yada. They're doing streaming services

49:12

so like people can watch them online. And it's

49:12

entertainment is building revenue. And that's

49:15

why people need to do. more things like you

49:15

say every everybody's a phenom right now. Right.

49:20

So everybody needs to like this. A level of

49:20

competition that wasn't there before. Really?

49:24

Like Shaq was a dominant person. He was on the

49:24

court. He was getting to the basket. He was

49:28

doing things he needs to do to excite the crowd.

49:28

Do a showtime like you should like that. Breaking

49:33

rims. Hakeem Olajuwon, bro. He's doing a skyhook

49:33

every time they get up on them. I boom, boom.

49:37

I do my move. I do my thing. The crowd goes

49:37

crazy. Right. And then people want to see that

49:40

and they want to see more. They want to see

49:40

LeBron driving to the rim. They want to see

49:43

fucking Curry shooting threes and fucking half

49:43

court. So yeah. And then eventually that'll

49:47

get And they just have to keep going crazy and

49:47

crazy and crazy as a result. But I also think

49:52

just like to Paul's point, like the high school

49:52

feeling, I think maybe that person might be

49:58

a little bit embellishing a little bit or maybe

49:58

he's a little bit of an anomaly just because

50:07

I feel like if it does feel like high school

50:07

is probably because he played. you know travel

50:12

ball with those guys growing up and so it might

50:12

literally be these people were like he went

50:16

to high school or His high school would have

50:16

gone against them or it gets that point Where

50:20

you can see it and like sometimes the players

50:20

even though they're phenoms and none of us

50:24

could play with them for them It for us watching

50:24

it looks so easy It looks like they're not

50:28

even engaged in the game because they probably

50:28

aren't like they're I mean I'm sure that they

50:32

you know you have those you know mama mentality

50:32

People you know like you know shout out to

50:37

Kobe RMP RIP But is you know you have those

50:37

people who are hard charges I've tried hard

50:42

for everything and they have a level of intensity.

50:42

But also at the end of the day, you know, everyone's

50:47

going to go home to do the thing. You know,

50:47

it's not that serious. It's not it's not. For

50:51

example, I think LeBron kind of broke this and

50:51

maybe even a little bit for this. When he traded

50:56

up to go to Miami Heat, right? That was like

50:56

a big thing for it. I remember it like it was

51:01

outrage. It was outrageous because back in the

51:01

day, back during that time, it's crazy to say

51:05

back in the day, but really like your team was

51:05

that was it forever. that your team is your

51:10

family and you betray them if you went anywhere

51:10

else. Either you got traded or you got fired.

51:14

You don't trade yourself. You don't like start

51:14

moving teams around like that. But now since

51:19

we're bonded, that what would happen next? The

51:19

next big thing, Katie. Yeah, I was going to

51:23

say that. I was going to say Katie was like

51:23

the biggest like outrage of teams. People are

51:28

burning their jerseys. Remember? I hate that

51:28

to this day. Fuck that. Yeah. I said, you know,

51:36

and people, people really were like on the on

51:36

the cases. But now as time is going on, it's

51:41

like these are business decisions. So yeah,

51:41

of course it feels like you're playing high

51:45

school ball. Oh, we're not. That's not it. Probably

51:45

feels more like they're playing in the backyard.

51:49

Like these are just my coworkers. It doesn't

51:49

feel like they're playing for life in my city.

51:54

You watch like the twenty sixteen or like twenty

51:54

eighteen seventeen warriors. That makes a little

51:58

bit of having a fucking YMCA shoot around, bro,

51:58

because I think it's don't even like what can't

52:02

even have court. They didn't try, bro, because

52:02

they were they were running numbers on things.

52:06

I've been trying, bro. No, I would say that

52:06

they're not trying right now. It's because

52:12

it's because they don't got pressure on them.

52:12

Yeah, that's a thing. Muffins don't play defense.

52:16

I it's to a point where sports. So I can't.

52:16

This is not going to turn into a U.S. Oh, I

52:23

don't watch sports. I can't wait to get to the

52:23

point where I'm trying to say, oh, it's like

52:28

mufflers are not playing defense because the

52:28

more points they make, it correlates to how

52:34

much they get in pay. Yeah. So no one playing

52:34

defense no more. So now the scoreboard is looking

52:40

like 100 something to 100. Yeah, that's why

52:40

there's no position. That kind of go back.

52:44

That's why there's no position. If you're a

52:44

center that can shoot. Perfect. Great. You

52:48

can be a powerful. You can be a shooting guard.

52:48

I know that position exists. Right. OK, cool.

52:53

So like, you know, you know, but I have the

52:53

foot. No, but seriously, man, like, it's just

52:58

it's just one of those things. Yeah. So basically

52:58

at the end of the day, we talked about mash

53:03

it. Talked about culture. We talked about motivation.

53:03

We talked about how time elicited possessions,

53:09

how you value the culture. Talking about Lord

53:09

of the Flies. You know, read, nigga. Yeah,

53:14

I completely read. I'm going to need you to

53:14

announce it. What do you do to say? He said,

53:19

read. OK, read. You can read a page out of Harry

53:19

Potter book. And they get the 50 cent. So basically,

53:24

this was a pretty a pretty deep, deep depression

53:24

out of the norm, I guess, for. For the previous

53:33

podcast episodes, but I hope you guys enjoyed

53:33

it No, I think it was good. Yeah, it was really

53:37

good. No, then you all I'm saying is you need

53:37

to do a lot of little deep things. You can

53:42

do a little shout thing. This is a good thing.

53:42

Yeah, but this is but you never know what we're

53:46

going to talk about, honestly, because this

53:46

shit is not scripted at all. Yeah, because

53:50

we know what we doing. We simply chatting. We

53:50

just chatting. With that being said, if you

53:55

guys made it this far, I greatly appreciate

53:55

y'all. Like I said, every other time, let us

53:59

know what you guys want us to talk about, like

53:59

to start it off or whatever. And yeah, see

54:05

you next time.