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Everything around here is a
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Leo the roaring so and
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of the wind. It's like
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a white noise. Your brain
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is frantically trying to work
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or what to do. it's
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february nineteen eighty four the first
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day of the winter Olympic Games.
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But Europe is experiencing extreme
2:03
weather, a cataclysmic
2:05
snowstorm. But Joe Boylan,
2:08
a young man on holiday in the
2:10
Austrian mountains, doesn't realise how extreme.
2:15
He polishes off the coffee and the
2:17
brandy. He hops onto a
2:19
ski lift and he finds himself at
2:22
the top of an unfamiliar slope. I
2:27
couldn't see the tips of the skis,
2:30
the visibility was that bad. Every time
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I tried to take a deep breath,
2:34
the wind was actually drawing the air
2:36
out of my lungs. You don't know
2:39
if you're falling backwards, leaning forward, you're
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being buffeted. I thought, well,
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do I turn left? Right? Is it straight
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on? Joe
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soon realised he was lost,
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badly lost. It requires all of
2:53
your efforts just to stay upright
2:55
and all of your efforts just
2:57
to keep breathing. I'm
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Matthew Side and this is
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Sideways, my show about the ideas
3:12
that shape our lives with stories
3:14
of seeing the world differently. In
3:27
this episode, 48 hours
3:29
of sheer determination to
3:32
survive. The science behind
3:34
what happens when we get lost and
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how it's changed the way that search
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and rescue teams operate all
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over the world. at
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home in London. Joe
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had been skiing a handful of tyres
4:04
before but when his friends peel away
4:07
for lessons he decides to try a
4:09
new route and then
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he finds himself alone. Something
4:15
that skiers are advised not to
4:17
do especially not in bad weather
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but Joe is inexperienced and he
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doesn't know the safety advice. He
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finds himself at the top of
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an unfamiliar slope and within
4:28
minutes he's lost and in
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the middle of an enormous blizzard. I
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was still walking along with my sticks out
4:35
in front of me as
4:37
a blind man would really just to
4:39
feel if I walked into a tree
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or anything. And
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eventually my skis they hit something and it
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turns out that it happened to be a
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shepherd's hook so I broke
4:51
the window smashed the glass threw
4:53
my skis and sticks in and
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in I went. The
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wind was blowing the
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snow through the hole I'd made in
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the glass like toothpaste comes out of
5:04
a tube. Joe plugs the hole
5:06
in the window with a cushion and
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fastens his skis to his boots with
5:10
some old string. If you
5:12
lose a ski in that kind of weather I
5:14
think you're a dead duck. Sheltering
5:16
from the storm he slumps his
5:18
body over the wood fire stove
5:20
to stay warm. And I
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thought well I'll let the storm settle
5:25
and I'll assess the situation
5:27
in the morning at first light.
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Joe is acting on instinct
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alone. He's never been in this
5:35
kind of situation before but
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he's behaving in ways that would
5:40
not surprise experts in search and
5:42
rescue. My team is one of
5:44
the busiest teams in the UK we
5:47
do about 180 rescues and
5:49
searches each year. Alistair Reid
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has been volunteering with Mountain Rescue
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England and Wales for over four
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decades. I started back in 1981
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there's a certain buzz to it.
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We were doing things that most other people wouldn't do,
6:02
being out in the mountains, being put
6:04
out of a helicopter at night, being lured
6:06
by ropes. Here's how
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it works. If
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you're ever lost on a mountain, your first
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port of call should be to the local
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emergency services. If you're in England and
6:17
Wales, they'll probably patch your case through to
6:20
a local team like that run by Alistair.
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They'll locate you if they can, they'll rescue
6:24
you, and ideally you're back at the
6:26
pub or B&B in time for dinner. But
6:31
sometimes search and rescue have to
6:33
find someone who's not got phone
6:35
contact. In
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these cases, search and rescue isn't contacted
6:40
by the lost person, but
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by anxious friends or family wondering why they
6:45
haven't come back to the pub or the
6:47
B&B or some other meeting point. And
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this is when search and rescue becomes
6:52
a complex and intriguing
6:54
art form, one that
6:56
takes place under enormous pressure. The
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faster you can find someone, the more chance they've got of
7:01
being alive. Neil
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Balderson is a search and rescue
7:06
volunteer too with Lowland Rescue. To
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do that, we apply statistics and
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those statistics include lost person behavior.
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Lost person behavior.
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It's the collection of information and
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data brought together over many years
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about people who've become lost, and
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it's used to determine how lost
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and missing people might behave. And
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this can save lives. The
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collation of lost person behavior data
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has had a dramatic impact on
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the way that all kinds of
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search and rescue teams conduct their
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work, from cities to mountains. The
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stats are broken down by different
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characteristics. For example,
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age, gender, reason they're missing,
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previous missing episodes, known
7:52
conditions. Statistics play a big part
7:54
for us and allow us to target the resources
7:56
quickly and effectively. The
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science of lost person behavior allows
8:02
search and rescue experts like
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Alastair and Neil to predict what
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you'll do if you get lost.
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You're on a walk and you realise all of
8:14
a sudden that you don't recognise the path. You're
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not where you thought you were and you're not
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sure how to get back. Effectively,
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you're lost. What would
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be your first move? Now confession
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time, I went out with my two kids on
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a walk in West Sussex a couple of years
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ago. My wife said be careful,
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it's late in the afternoon and it was
8:33
a trail actually that takes you over the
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beautiful black downhills. It was
8:38
a walk very popular with Alfred Lord
8:40
Tennyson, the brilliant poet. We
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took a wrong turn, we ended up at
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the bottom of a sneak hill, the
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signs had gone, my phone signal was non-existent
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and the kids said pretty understandably they
8:51
were getting tired and hungry and
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the sun was pretty much gone. I
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thought the obvious thing to do, my instinct really, was
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to turn 180 degrees and go back where
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we'd come from, pick up the trail again
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and hopefully get back on track. And
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this instinct turns out to be a
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very familiar pattern of lost people. Now
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for me it worked and when
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the mobile signal returned that definitely helped
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too. But
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going back to the Austrian mountainside
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in the middle of a snowstorm,
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Joe Boylan was also demonstrating classic
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lost behaviour. He was
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seeking shelter. Places
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like the Shepherd's Hub that Joe
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sought refuge in can be beacons
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for search and rescuers like Alistair.
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Anywhere like that we're expecting members to
9:40
go and check. Someone who needs shelter
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will find a way in usually. Common
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sense tells you that it's easier, in
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fact miles easier for rescuers to find
9:49
you if you stay put at the
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point where you realise you were lost.
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I mean it's so much more complicated
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to search for a moving target. But
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when you're lost... panicking. Whether on
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a Lord Tennyson Trail in leafy
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Sussex or an Austrian
10:06
mountainside in a snowstorm your instincts
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tell you to move. By
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the time that first light arrives the
10:15
next morning Joe hasn't seen sign of
10:18
anyone. He doesn't even have any idea
10:20
if anyone's looking for him so
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he decides to move. I
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noticed that above me was this
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rusted cable line so
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I just followed this cable above
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my head and I skied very
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slowly almost walking in a downward
10:36
direction. Typically
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walkers they are found downhill from the
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point that they are less known to
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be. Most people when they get lost
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would tend to follow linear type features
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be that a river, power line, fence
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or a wall. Things
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like power cables they go somewhere
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they're all worthy things to look at if
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you're absolutely lost. But
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there is a caveat,
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a crucial caveat, streams.
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Following these can be dangerous.
11:09
Streams go the steepest way down we've
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certainly had people die as a result of following
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a stream. The
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exit route was into a valley but
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the valley then became steeper and steeper
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on either side. You start to step
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into thick fresh powder snow and of
11:26
course before very long I'm in above
11:29
my head. My feet
11:31
had happened to fall into what
11:33
was a stream and my boots
11:35
had filled with frozen water. With
11:37
an avalanche on either side threatening
11:40
to fall it takes Joe hours just
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to get his legs out of the
11:44
water. It takes him four hours to
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travel just 15 yards. He
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does though eventually make it out of
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the stream. And I just thought right
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I'm not having that. I'd already begun
11:55
to organize my wedding and
11:57
I thought well I'm not gonna miss that
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party. In
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search and rescue, some landmarks are
12:03
referred to as attractors,
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flashing lights, helicopters, that kind of thing.
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And lost people have a tendency to
12:11
move towards them. Sometimes search
12:13
and rescue teams will use that
12:15
knowledge intentionally in an effort to,
12:17
as it were, draw out a
12:19
lost person in a particular direction.
12:22
But there can be a danger of an
12:24
attractor. I
12:27
could see lights flashing. That's
12:29
either a peace basher or a tractor
12:31
or something moving. A lost
12:33
person will often move towards them, irrespective
12:36
of what terrain lies in the
12:38
way. It would mean going
12:40
down the hill and crossing the valley
12:42
below and then climbing up.
12:44
Joe heads to the bottom of the
12:47
valley. He hears a sound. It's
12:51
a very muffled
12:54
water sound. To get to the other
12:57
side, Joe's going to need to cross
12:59
another stream. He's already been
13:01
wet once and it definitely was not pleasant.
13:04
So he looks for a crossing point. And
13:08
eventually he spots something. It
13:12
was the light taking that giant step for
13:14
mankind, really. I stood into
13:17
this big bumpers now and
13:19
just went straight through it. And
13:23
as I looked up, I could see the dark
13:25
of the night sky. It
13:28
was like being inside the center
13:30
hole in a tube of polo
13:32
mint. And below me,
13:34
where my chest was, was just running
13:37
river water. I
13:40
had to reach in, got my left and my
13:42
right ski off and I held them up vertically
13:45
in front of me. And
13:47
I just smashed the snow from
13:49
side to side, which cascaded down
13:51
on my head. And I
13:54
just walked at 90 degrees to
13:56
the current in the direction of
13:58
the lights that I'd seen. and
14:00
I eventually walked out and up
14:02
the opposite bank. Joe
14:05
slumps in the snow, exhausted,
14:08
ice cold drenched again. It
14:10
was a little bit like the characters
14:13
I'd seen in Tom and Jerry cartoons
14:15
when their teeth chatter. After
14:18
about 15 minutes, the
14:20
chattering stops. And I thought, this
14:23
is the moment. This is
14:25
it. This is what death feels like. I
14:28
stood up and I just started to scream.
14:33
I began to pummel my thighs.
14:35
I was slapping my ears, slapping
14:38
my face, called everybody
14:40
under the sun names, really. And
14:42
then I decided I'd
14:45
keep walking. When
14:51
Joe became lost in 1984, search
14:54
and rescue strategies were pretty
14:56
rudimentary. Basic grid-like searches
14:58
require lots of time, resources,
15:01
people, and power. But
15:03
if our understanding of lost person
15:06
behavior has evolved, so too has
15:08
the efficiency of search and rescue
15:10
operations. And much of that
15:12
change is down to the brilliant research
15:14
of one man. I was
15:17
in Boy Scouts and
15:19
went to a summer camp that had
15:21
a little search and rescue exercise for
15:23
some reason that they put me in charge. And
15:26
it was like, well, this is silly. This is
15:28
so easy. Robert
15:32
J. Kester, the world's preeminent
15:34
expert in lost person behavior,
15:37
is considered something of an
15:39
oracle. He's a mathematician by
15:41
profession, a numbers guy. But his passion,
15:43
like Alistair and Neil, has
15:45
long been in volunteering with search
15:48
and rescue teams. And Robert noticed
15:50
major deficiencies in the lost person
15:52
behavior data, especially when
15:54
it came to lost people suffering
15:57
with dementia. was
16:00
no classification for dementia. It was
16:02
simply everybody over the age of
16:04
65. In
16:06
the absence of hard data, he developed a
16:09
rule of thumb, literally.
16:12
On the scale of maps we used,
16:14
they were usually found the distance away
16:16
of my thumb. Then on one
16:19
particular search that I couldn't attend, I get
16:21
a very panicky call in the middle of
16:23
the night. It's like, Bob, we got to
16:25
know how long your thumb is. Robert
16:28
thought, there's got to be a better way
16:30
than this. And so he began
16:32
a research project. It became
16:35
a passion project, and it would
16:37
define his career and revolutionize search
16:39
and rescue worldwide. So I once
16:42
was on a search where there
16:44
was a missing dementia subject. The
16:47
local fire department had been called and
16:49
had been searching for about six to
16:51
eight hours all day long. I
16:54
arrived, and the sheriff gave
16:56
me 10 minutes to do all my planning. I
16:59
said, yes, sir, because that's what you say to
17:01
a sheriff. Robert applied what
17:04
he knew about lost person behavior
17:06
in relation to people with dementia.
17:09
They tend to walk along a path or
17:11
a defined route until they hit an obstacle,
17:14
and then they stop. He
17:16
had been lost three times previously, and
17:19
in all those cases he had traveled
17:21
to the north. Within 10 minutes of
17:23
the teams being sent out, the man
17:26
was found. I
17:28
actually looked to the south, which involved
17:30
crossing a road and then hitting a
17:33
stream to the south. He went out
17:35
his front door instead of the back
17:37
door like he had done in the
17:39
three previous cases. He was
17:41
perfectly fine, live and well, but he
17:44
wasn't going to be moving, so dependent
17:46
upon being found. Nowadays
17:50
Robert's lost person behavior insights are
17:53
used all over the world by
17:55
people like Neil Balderson of Lowland
17:57
Rescue. He
18:00
has saved thousands of lives. We
18:02
have located in excess of
18:04
50 to 60 people because of
18:06
his statistics. That's just one team. If
18:09
he was in the UK, he needed knighthood. Going
18:14
back to Joe, stuck in
18:16
a snowstorm on an Austrian mountainside,
18:19
soaked through and frozen, but
18:22
nevertheless holding out hope of
18:24
being found. As
18:26
I was dozing and almost falling
18:29
asleep, I thought I
18:31
didn't want anybody to find me without
18:33
a smile on my face. So I was
18:35
smiling and I don't know what
18:37
I was doing, but I did it.
18:40
It was a long second night, and
18:43
then Joe's hopes are raised. I
18:45
saw these two guys skiing
18:48
opposite me, daylight again.
18:51
People, help. I
18:53
thought they were the rescuers. And
18:55
then you blink blink and you're
18:57
back in blackness. Joe
19:00
realises that he's hallucinating.
19:03
He falls back into a fitful sleep.
19:08
As the light dawns the next day, Joe
19:10
finds his gloves, a frozen
19:12
solid. I
19:15
decided that one way to get the gloves back
19:17
on would be to pee in the gloves. When
19:21
the gloves were kind of malleable,
19:23
I discharged the content into my
19:25
boobs. So I had a nice
19:28
warm sensation for a moment. And
19:31
I just thought, I've got to get out of
19:33
here. So I
19:35
began walking. And he keeps walking.
19:38
And walking. He hits more obstacles
19:40
and another dashed hope of rescue,
19:42
but then he begins
19:44
to hear the blessed sounds of
19:47
civilisation. The
19:49
church bell voices. By
19:52
this point, however, he's looking a little
19:55
worse for wear. Everything
19:57
hurt. My eyebrows were
19:59
frozen. to my hat. My hair
20:01
was frozen to my collar. I'm
20:04
there looking like the incredible snowman or
20:06
something. Taxis actually refused
20:08
to take him. So
20:11
after a long wait in a nearby
20:13
cafe, eating ham rolls, drinking
20:15
hot tea and defrosting his
20:17
urine-soaked gloves on a radiator,
20:19
Joe catches a bus
20:22
along with the full cohort of school
20:24
children back to his hotel. He's
20:28
had two and a half days
20:30
in the wilderness as he's trudging
20:33
finally towards safety. Someone from the
20:35
search party recognises him. The lost
20:37
Englishman, the whole team, has been
20:39
out looking for. So
20:44
all of these people then begin to spill out of
20:46
the hotel. I thought, uh oh, you
20:49
know, I'm in trouble here. Just if
20:51
Joe had got lost in 2024 instead of 1984, the rescue team
20:53
would have had a much
20:58
better chance. Not least, because
21:00
he would have almost certainly had a
21:02
mobile phone on him. Smartphones
21:05
have been a game changer
21:07
and so has GPS technology.
21:12
They call New Mexico the land of enchantment.
21:15
This is Maura O'Connor. She's a science
21:17
journalist and author and in 2011 she
21:19
was travelling in
21:22
northern New Mexico with her partner,
21:24
heading for a hot spring in
21:26
the desert. And so we put the
21:28
name of the hot spring into the GPS. After
21:30
driving through Scrubland for hours, Maura
21:33
and her partner found themselves, according
21:36
to the GPS, right in front
21:38
of the hot springs. But
21:41
there was a problem. Between
21:43
them and the hot springs was a
21:46
cliff. Obviously the GPS didn't
21:49
understand that there was a cliff
21:51
face there, this giant gorge. I
21:53
remember thinking very clearly at that point,
21:55
like why had I trusted this device
21:58
in my hand to tell me the
22:00
way to go. It
22:03
got more a thinking about the
22:06
human instinct for navigation. Where
22:08
does it come from? There are some
22:11
really specific parts of the brain that
22:13
are at work when we're finding our way
22:15
from A to B and the
22:18
central region of the
22:20
brain that's involved in human navigation
22:22
is called the hippocampus. When we
22:24
travel from A to B, what's
22:27
happening in the hippocampus is that specific
22:29
kinds of cells are being fired up.
22:32
Holy researchers called these cells which
22:34
fire up during navigation place
22:37
cells. It's something akin
22:39
to a cognitive map inside the
22:42
brain. Think back for a moment.
22:44
How did you get from where you were before
22:47
to where you are now? Try and visualize
22:49
it. It's less like referring to
22:51
a map and looking from a bird's
22:53
eye view and more recalling
22:55
the way you would a song, what
22:59
step you take first and then what comes
23:01
next until you get to your goal. Almost
23:03
like you would hum something. In
23:06
her research, Mora found that there were
23:09
cultural differences when it comes to navigation.
23:12
There's no universal navigation
23:14
system that all people use. I
23:18
went to a place called Ecoluit
23:21
in Nunavut, which is a Inuit town
23:24
and tried to talk to
23:26
as many hunters as
23:28
I could about their experience navigating
23:31
a so-called featureless
23:33
landscape. How do you find your
23:35
way without anything that
23:37
we would typically think of as
23:39
critical to navigation like signposts and
23:41
maps and roads? What
23:44
these hunters did have
23:46
were environmental cues. Wind,
23:49
sometimes stars, formations
23:52
in the snow, some
23:54
landscape markers. As
23:57
a result of her research, Mora wrote a book.
24:00
called wayfinding the science and
24:02
mystery of how humans navigate
24:05
the world. I
24:07
think a lot about wayfinding as
24:09
pointing to how powerful and
24:12
essential it is that we are
24:14
engaged with and paying attention to
24:16
our surroundings and how nourishing and
24:18
enriching that is. It's
24:22
a confidence and assurance that's
24:25
increasingly being lost. The
24:27
sense of a deeper orientation to where we
24:30
started out and where we're going has
24:32
given way to autopilot where
24:35
we rely completely on Waze
24:37
or Google Maps. It doesn't
24:39
matter if you're driving to Blackpool or
24:41
Bournemouth, the mind disengages and
24:43
allows the technology to take the strain.
24:46
It's convenient. We get lost
24:48
less often but might we
24:50
be losing something too? On an
24:55
Austrian mountainside after two freezing dips
24:57
in the icy river, Joe's map
25:00
was in tatters but
25:02
by miracle luck or some sensible
25:04
decisions, he's finally arrived back in
25:06
his hotel to a sea of
25:09
faces. Policemen, mountain
25:12
rescue people, people in high
25:14
vis jackets, there are
25:16
my friends and people that were waiting
25:18
for me from the hotel. Joe
25:21
is led inside and he sits at
25:23
a table across from a police inspector.
25:25
He says I want you to tell me
25:27
step by step everything you did. As
25:31
I'm describing, you could hear the
25:33
rescue team go oh you know
25:35
there's this collective kind of temperatures
25:38
had been recorded. I was told
25:40
afterwards around minus
25:42
25. My
25:45
brother had been told that it was only a matter
25:48
of time and he should make
25:50
preparations to come out to identify
25:52
the body. As
25:54
I was sitting answering their questions,
25:57
several of them would come up to where I was.
26:00
I was sitting and they would just crouch
26:02
in front of me and bring
26:04
their face very close to
26:06
make eye to eye contact and
26:08
they just stared, it seemed,
26:11
into your very soul. It's
26:15
the kind of thing that Neil from Lolan's
26:17
Rescue might have done in the same situation.
26:20
You look someone's square in the eye, you know if they're okay
26:22
or not. It's a very
26:25
almost humbling experience. You
26:28
save one person, you save the world. You
26:40
cast your eyes around this huge
26:42
dining room and it's full and
26:44
all these guys have got huge
26:46
anoraks and all sorts of equipment
26:48
and you just realise all of
26:50
this clobber and all of these
26:52
people have been looking for your
26:55
soul. There was a strange feeling
26:57
of guilt really. I
26:59
was just sat there quietly nodding at them.
27:04
For Joe Boylan, the experience of
27:07
being lost in a snowstorm for
27:09
over two days hasn't dampened his
27:11
enthusiasm for the wilderness. He
27:13
often takes his dog out on long walks in
27:15
the forest near where he lives but
27:18
his phone is always in his pocket
27:20
and he's conscious of the position of
27:22
the sun, the time of day and
27:24
which direction is self. I'm
27:26
quite comfortable. I feel
27:28
quite confident in my own ability
27:30
to get there or somewhere eventually
27:32
and I don't panic, I just
27:34
enjoy the walk. There
27:38
is I think something human
27:40
and somehow reassuring that when
27:42
we're lost we tend to
27:45
behave in similar ways to
27:47
exhibit similar instincts to follow
27:49
identifiable patterns. But
27:52
in equally predictable ways these
27:54
instincts can lead us further
27:56
astray and that's why the work
27:58
of the data cruncher and search
28:01
and rescue theoreticians is so precious.
28:04
Also precious is the courage of
28:06
the volunteers who often risk their
28:08
lives to save others. These
28:11
people are available 24-7, 365 days a
28:13
year, responding
28:18
to callouts, venturing into cold
28:20
and darkness, supporting families
28:22
that are fearing the worst, and
28:24
often dealing with trauma too. There's
28:27
something else I've taken away from these tales
28:29
of lost and found, and
28:32
it's the dual role of
28:34
technology. GPS definitely
28:36
keeps us safe. SatNav
28:38
gives us the most algorithmically efficient
28:41
route. I think it would be
28:43
a shame to lose the joy
28:45
of reading maps rather than just
28:47
following them, of charting our own
28:49
paths, and maybe even allowing serendipity
28:52
to take us away from the beaten
28:54
track. Thanks
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to the producer of this episode,
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Leona Hamid, the editor, Ms.
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Catherine Godfrey. Sound Design and Mix is by Daniel
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