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Hello Internet, I'm your husband and host

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Travis McElroy. And I'm your wife host Teresa

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McElroy. And you're listening to Schmanner's. It's

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extraordinary etiquette. For ordinary occasions, hello my

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doves. Hello dear. How are you? I'm

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well. Well

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rested? No. No. But

0:45

now is the time of year here

0:48

in Ohio. Is the

0:50

season for pollen? Yes,

0:52

a fall summer basically is what we have

0:55

here. We hit about 80

0:57

degrees yesterday. But

0:59

we just have full spring. I know. And now

1:01

we're having a fall summer? Yep. It'll

1:04

get cooler again before actual summer.

1:07

But this is the time right before

1:09

school gets out in

1:12

about a month or two. We've got to do something about

1:14

this climate, if you ask me. Where

1:16

people start to plan their summer

1:19

vacay. Oh man. It

1:22

all runs together for me. Yeah. Here's the

1:24

thing. I don't know if you know this. Outside

1:27

of being a student, and

1:30

I don't even know teachers. I'm sure they do stuff

1:32

during this. I don't think teachers

1:34

get three months off. I

1:37

think that there is this programming that happens

1:39

when you are basically four

1:42

to 22 if you go to college

1:45

or beyond or whatever. Where

1:47

you're like, well the way life works

1:49

is there's nine months of doing hard

1:51

work. And then you get three

1:53

months of just whatever you want to do. I can't

1:55

wait till I'm a grown up with money. I'm going

1:58

to spend that three months just like. I

2:00

don't know, partying or whatever. And

2:02

then what you find out is

2:06

when you're grown up, that

2:08

doesn't happen because most jobs

2:11

you work. Every

2:13

day. And especially if you're lucky

2:15

you get vacation time. Even

2:18

especially if you have kids and

2:20

then you think oh my

2:22

kids will be home but then

2:24

you can't, there's camps. The kids

2:26

want to do stuff. I know

2:29

right? Oh boy. If you were

2:31

in pre-railroad

2:33

Europe, you

2:36

would have to do something. I mean if you were

2:38

rich. Oh okay. They

2:40

call it the Grand

2:42

Tour. Okay, okay.

2:46

This is interesting because when you

2:48

told me we'd be talking about

2:50

Grand Tours, it does conjure a

2:53

certain image of

2:57

what you were describing, of a certain

3:00

privilege, subset of

3:03

a thing. But there's also a part of

3:05

me that thinks of it in terms of

3:07

touring, like going on live shows and concerts

3:09

and stuff like that. I know that's not

3:12

yet. But it feels like

3:14

a, I don't

3:16

know, I don't know what it is. I

3:18

think like I conjure the image but I

3:20

don't know what goes into it. I'll tell

3:22

you about it. Oh thank goodness. That's how

3:24

the show works. Yeah

3:27

that's how the show works. From

3:30

the 17th through the 19th

3:32

centuries, it was tradition. 1600

3:35

to 1800. Yes. For the upper

3:37

craft, British men who

3:39

had come of age, which was usually

3:41

about 21, to

3:43

travel across Europe. Oh

3:46

like back, they'd backpack across Europe? No.

3:48

Oh no and it wasn't it wasn't

3:50

actually Europe. It

3:52

was a couple, it was like the same two countries.

3:56

Oh okay. So it

3:58

was meant a rich to

4:00

showcase the best of what European culture

4:02

had to offer so

4:04

that they could return to London as

4:06

well-rounded gentlemen of the world. Even

4:10

though this year to four year excursion. I

4:15

know, depending on how rich you are and how fast

4:17

you go. Four years? Oh

4:20

boy. If you don't go very fast, you could

4:22

last a long time. Just imagine if

4:24

someone was like, hey, could you take me on

4:26

a tour of this museum? I'm like, yeah, of

4:28

course. Do you have a couple hours? No, no,

4:30

no, sorry. I needed to be a four year

4:32

tour. What? Usually.

4:35

I live here now, like in the mixed

4:37

up files of Mrs. Basily Frankenweiler. It would

4:39

be chasing women and complaining

4:41

about wine that wasn't from their family's

4:44

estate. Oh, okay. Or

4:46

chasing wine and complaining about women. Certainly.

4:49

That feels like that's most of

4:51

Ernest Hemingway's books. Yes, it does.

4:53

Hey, listen, I'm gonna throw the

4:55

gauntlet down. Give me mixed up

4:57

files of Mrs. Basily Frankenweiler over

4:59

anything written by Ernest Hemingway ever.

5:01

We don't have, so the

5:04

idea was through this

5:06

excursion, you would be

5:08

educated firsthand on classical

5:10

antiquities and the Renaissance,

5:12

right? Okay, so this is why, because this

5:14

comes up a lot. I like to listen

5:16

to a lot of period, like murder mysteries.

5:19

And this happens a lot where they

5:21

talk about like, you

5:24

know, young men going places to learn

5:26

about these things as you've described. Okay,

5:28

this is why it's familiar. Right, and

5:31

so this was before the comforts of

5:33

modern day travel, right? So pre-railroad, which

5:35

meant it had to be by

5:37

boat, on foot, by horse and carriage. Or

5:40

jetpack. No, no

5:42

jetpacks. And

5:44

because it was so difficult to get around,

5:46

that's probably why they only went to two

5:48

countries. Okay. So you would start in England,

5:51

you would get a

5:55

carriage to Dover, where you would get on a boat, and

5:58

you would go to France. Oh, it's gonna be my guess,

6:00

yes. Learning French

6:02

customs and dances and general French things

6:04

because those were always in vogue, even

6:07

though Britain was intermittently

6:09

at war. Doesn't matter.

6:11

Anyway. And no matter when

6:13

people have had beef with France and with

6:15

England, I mean, but still, I've

6:18

always been couture. After

6:20

Paris, of course, you would go down

6:22

the countryside to Lyon and

6:25

then you would continue south to Italy.

6:27

See, that was gonna be, yes. That feels right,

6:29

yes. There you would

6:31

hit Venice and Florence and then

6:33

the ultimate destination

6:36

was Rome, right? So

6:38

you could go to like Pompeii or Herculium or

6:41

whatever it was and then you would go home.

6:43

Well, at this point, you gotta remember people at

6:45

home, there wasn't TV shows to talk about. Some

6:47

people needed stuff to talk about at parties. So

6:50

they would go to Rome and then talk about,

6:52

like, I saw this vase and that was like,

6:54

that could get them through a couple years of

6:56

small talk. Or the British at this time

6:58

were really good at taking those things back home

7:00

with them. Yeah. A

7:03

thing that they've continued to be pretty good at. I

7:06

would say at this point, they've mastered the skill of

7:08

keeping those things. Yeah, finders keepers is

7:10

the ultimate. Well, stealers keepers, because

7:12

sometimes those things weren't lost. They

7:15

were there. People looked at them

7:17

and they said, I like looking at this,

7:19

but who can stand traveling back and forth?

7:21

I know, I'll take this back with me.

7:23

And jumping back to our leave no trace,

7:25

that was sad. I would say, don't

7:28

take souvenirs. So depending

7:31

on how intense your travel schedule

7:34

was, and of course how

7:36

fabulously wealthy you were, some

7:39

people did modify that itinerary,

7:42

but most didn't. So

7:44

it would be kind of like a

7:46

bunch of like college aged, pompous British

7:48

lads going to France, which

7:51

like I said, everyone hated, and then going

7:53

to Italy. Well, they hate France, but they also love

7:55

France. And then going to Italy, Where

7:58

people got drunk and chased women. It and

8:00

the is am. Let's

8:02

say Frat Bros. Young Warfare.

8:05

It's It is so entertaining to

8:08

think that they colonized half the

8:10

planet. And. Yet really could only make

8:12

it to the two countries closest to them

8:14

now. Hold on the safe, ramblas, puzzles

8:16

and will probably also pompous would be

8:19

poetic. A photo of them are laughably.

8:21

Lord Byron did make these lawyers and

8:23

they weren't on songs. Some of them

8:26

are worse than Boys with Aziz where

8:28

they would be like hey, A

8:31

sea of things but also I would like the

8:33

best of everything and I my daddy's paying for

8:35

it. By. The Mint seventeen Hundreds.

8:38

This grand tour had become such

8:40

a regular feature of aristocratic education

8:42

that it with looked upon as

8:44

a educational rite of passage. Close

8:47

club or have ah. You know,

8:49

not only for the Brits, but also from. Other

8:52

wealthy people of Central Europe rights

8:54

and it was one of the

8:56

reasons that. Me: not women. Who.

8:59

Know he throw know Boyzone no

9:01

not women boys only noise own

9:03

ways do so are the only

9:06

I think is is nice During

9:08

that time period of finally something

9:10

was just for the men my

9:12

honorary finally. Just for

9:14

the Memphis one. And because it was

9:17

so well established that everyone did this,

9:19

this is where you often made a

9:21

lot of your connections. Right where you

9:23

met the Hapsburgs or whatever it as

9:25

right arm and so. Are the have

9:28

nots bird rare? Okay for this is

9:30

because you do get a lot of

9:32

like. Once again, and like

9:34

period works right where learns a book

9:36

starts with the person being twenty five,

9:38

right? Yeah, just return home time to

9:40

make a person of themselves right? Exactly.

9:42

There's a lot of like are shared

9:44

a carriage with this person and that's

9:46

how I know them a lot. I'm.

9:49

definitely definitely so with

9:51

the rise of industrialization

9:53

in the nineteenth century

9:55

the gilded age of

9:57

americans new though reese

9:59

one to join this party. That's

10:01

a much bigger trek though. I

10:03

mean definitely. I saw a TikTok guest

10:06

recently, oh it wasn't yesterday, and it doesn't matter.

10:08

No one's testing me, they're not going to check.

10:11

That was about like, it was a British dude who

10:13

was like, hey I just got back from like a

10:15

two month vacation, or you know, trip

10:18

to America. Everybody

10:20

needs to back off the Americans for not

10:22

being well traveled. Do you know how long

10:24

it takes to get from just one state

10:26

to the other? Very very true.

10:29

But these nouveau riche, right,

10:33

this is how again, they

10:35

would make connections, they would

10:37

gain exposure, and this supposed

10:40

like sophistication

10:42

that they gained from going to Europe wasn't

10:45

just to better themselves,

10:48

but it was to make them

10:50

look better in American society as

10:52

well, because things like he's spending

10:54

some time in France, right, makes

10:57

you seem more legit. Yeah,

10:59

also, if we're going to

11:01

be brutally honest, I can't

11:05

imagine they were, let's put it politely,

11:08

well behaved. And

11:10

so if your 22 year old son is

11:12

going to get in trouble, is

11:15

going to maybe sow his wild oats,

11:17

as one might say, better

11:19

to do it over there, where

11:21

people aren't going to gossip about it back here

11:24

as much. Whereas if he's

11:26

doing that in town, everyone's going to know it's

11:28

going to be hard to marry him off. That's

11:30

the thought. But if you let him

11:33

do that over in France, and then come

11:35

back, and you're like, yes, he was over

11:37

there studying antiquities and paintings, and they're like,

11:39

okay. Sure he was. Like

11:42

you, there were people who were incredulous

11:44

about this, this so called

11:47

grand tour of two other

11:49

countries. I mean, you say

11:51

that there's probably a list of just right now who are like,

11:53

I don't know, man, I haven't been to other countries. But

11:55

that's the thing. Why is it

11:57

called a grand tour? Two places

11:59

doesn't really. really like evoke grand

12:02

to me? No, this I will give

12:04

you because as someone who goes on

12:06

tour myself, the idea of saying like,

12:08

for example, coming up, I think in

12:11

May, I was saying like, yes, it's

12:13

an international tour. We're going

12:15

to Vancouver. And we're going, it's like,

12:17

okay, hold on. Technically,

12:19

yes. But no, it's

12:22

Tacoma, Washington and Vancouver. And it's

12:24

like, yeah, our internet, it's all

12:26

over the globe. People

12:28

cited that because it was such

12:31

an established route, that

12:33

it lacked adventure and made it

12:35

frankly, pretty boring. Right.

12:37

It seems like school. Yeah,

12:39

you're talking about education. Writer

12:42

Jean Gao Hart also observed that

12:44

while the experience was supposed to

12:46

be about cultural expansion, usually

12:49

wound up enforcing the stereotypes that

12:51

the Travers already carried with them,

12:53

such as the French or courteous.

12:57

That was at the time that was well,

12:59

because of all of the etiquette, you

13:02

know, how you had to have the

13:04

certain type of bow and the certain type. Okay,

13:06

that's just not the that's

13:08

not the stereotype. No, not that they're

13:11

not that they're kind and welcoming. Oh,

13:13

they have an overly polite society. Yeah.

13:16

Okay. The Spanish are

13:18

Lordly, the Italians are Amorous, the

13:20

Germans are clownish. Right. That

13:22

was kind of like what they thought about other countries

13:24

at the time. Americans

13:26

are so peaceful. Right. Yes.

13:30

No. Quiet, easy going. They said we'd be there.

13:34

People started to really think

13:37

critically of this touring because

13:39

instead of like a

13:42

cultural exchange, it

13:44

turned into the aristocracy kind of

13:46

leering at the

13:49

differences between people. And

13:52

so, you know, it's it's

13:55

so funny that people would

13:57

say that Italy, like the south of

13:59

Italy was beautiful. beautiful and

14:01

the countryside amazing. But

14:04

then they would say that in

14:06

the same breath that the people there

14:08

were backward and allergic to progress that

14:11

filled with loud, quote, unruly men and

14:13

loose, passionate women. Okay. Yeah,

14:15

right? Yeah, right. I also

14:18

have to imagine that if it was me,

14:20

right, and like my older brother was about to go off

14:22

or something, I'd be like, hey, hold

14:24

on. We're about to fund this fool's vacation

14:26

for four years, you don't think? We could

14:28

maybe spend that money on something

14:31

better. I'm saying, listen, guys, we're all super rich. We

14:33

get that. But you

14:35

don't think. Maybe we could

14:37

spend this on something more important or hook

14:39

him up with, I don't know, government position

14:41

or whatever with that money. I don't know, man.

14:44

Again, another critique of this

14:47

is that what if the

14:50

grand tour ungentlemen

14:53

their good sweet boys? Okay.

14:58

It was completely accepted at this time

15:01

that people were nervous to send their

15:03

sons on tours because what if they

15:05

became too European? What

15:09

if they returned barefoot and long

15:11

haired, having forgotten all of their

15:13

hard learned manners? Or bare

15:15

haired and long footed. What

15:18

if they love France too much?

15:21

Oh, man. What

15:23

would happen to these sweet British boys

15:26

and their good sweet British stuffiness? And

15:28

then you have to come home and they're doing

15:30

affected accents. Can you

15:32

imagine smoking their long weird

15:34

cigarettes, I don't know. It

15:37

did, at the time of the Industrial

15:40

Revolution, fall out of fashion, partly because

15:43

once capitalism entered the chat,

15:46

there was less time to appreciate art and the

15:48

boys of the aristocracy would have more

15:50

things to do than just going around

15:52

Europe, like you said. And also,

15:54

Let's be honest, once you get into

15:57

railroads and stuff and Industrial Revolution, it

15:59

becomes more exciting. That the ball he exam

16:01

already bought? Yeah that it's less bragging rights you

16:03

like. As a rich I sent my son on

16:05

it is. I guess I don't. I like mama.

16:07

Yeah going. Once everyone's doing it, it's not

16:09

so exclusive. Yeah they just days yet

16:11

as been called Grandparents called me case.

16:13

And yet because what if

16:15

you did? Boys are surrounded

16:18

by illegally poor's lose. I

16:20

was oh poor people not P O R

16:22

a mass because illegally poor he was our

16:24

grocery very good sorry are you know I

16:26

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16:28

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17:23

so anyway, the forger there,

17:25

whereas yes, So here

17:27

are some real tales of

17:29

realize. Boys. Being real life.

17:32

Little babies basically. We

17:34

thought a lot of this specific

17:37

silliness. From. Mary

17:39

Mcgillivray on you tube. Very fun!

17:41

Check it out! See actually followed

17:43

the old fashioned roots of the

17:45

grand Tour herself and gives historical

17:47

information on each place he visits

17:49

and how you would have interacted

17:51

with it if you were a

17:53

very ungrateful twenty two year olds.

17:56

Add. Some right because I haven't. seen

17:58

hundreds so Remember,

18:01

we mentioned that from

18:03

the beginning, you had

18:05

to travel from London, which was considered the

18:07

center of the universe, right, to

18:09

Dover to catch a boat. And this was

18:11

the first leg of the journey. Already

18:15

people complained. Well,

18:17

I was going to bet people complained

18:20

the whole way. Of course, but they started

18:22

the second they left. I mean, I've been

18:24

on 45-minute long plane trip for people of

18:26

complaints. In

18:28

1766, an author named Tobias

18:30

Smollett said that

18:33

along the road to Dover, quote,

18:35

the accommodation was cold and comfortless,

18:37

the beds paltry, the cooking exacerbable,

18:39

the wine poisoned, the

18:42

attendance bad. Wine was poisoned? The

18:44

publican's insolent and the

18:46

bill's extortion. Okay. He

18:49

goes on. That was real fun at parties. I

18:51

know, right? He goes on to say,

18:53

there is not a drop of tolerable

18:56

malt liquor to be had from London

18:58

to Dover. Okay. I

19:00

know. Then go home. He

19:03

was actually known as such a

19:05

grumpy traveler that his fellow grand

19:07

tourist named Lawrence Stern satirized him

19:09

in his own writings. Stern

19:11

created a character called Smelfungus. Oh

19:14

boy. He did nothing but complain

19:16

about his travels abroad. Oh boy. Okay.

19:19

Got him. Yeah. And

19:23

Smelfungus, incidentally, became so

19:25

widely popularized as a

19:27

term for grumpy travelers that

19:30

you could call other people a Smelfungus. Why'd we

19:32

stop? I don't know. I

19:34

don't know. Listen, I know you don't like

19:36

waiting in lines at Disney World, but stop

19:38

being such a Smelfungus. Yeah. Boom.

19:41

Roasted. We already talked about

19:44

the love-hate relationship between France and Britain,

19:46

right? But Paris was actually the most

19:48

popular tourist destination for Brits to

19:51

hate. Popular to go. Oh

19:53

yeah. Also really popular to hate it. The frenemies kind

19:55

of thing, right? In 1765, Horace Walpole Wrote

19:57

a. Paris

20:00

quote it is the ugliest

20:02

beastly as town. What he

20:05

universes of in the universe.

20:08

You don't know all the planets?

20:11

They. Might have grocer cities

20:13

I'm. Okay, in their

20:15

defense, Paris didn't look. Like.

20:18

It does now. Then why were they

20:20

go? when I know way one of

20:23

two things is true either he was

20:25

a cesspool. And. They were

20:27

all voluntarily going there and spending a lot

20:29

of money to get there or. Here.

20:31

Rules. And. They all complained

20:33

about it does seem cool. Is. One

20:35

of those two things. But it

20:38

is also well established that at the

20:40

time. Like. A lot of

20:42

big cities they didn't have a

20:44

sewage system either. London was rough

20:47

to god indeed indeed. I'm not

20:49

only that that the religious

20:51

differences did have a hand in

20:54

sir England with mostly protestant that

20:56

both France and and Italy had

20:58

deep catholic tradition com and so.

21:01

Going to these places to kind of

21:04

sneer at people also had a little

21:06

bit of a religious kind of flavor

21:08

to it. right? And there's some

21:10

xenophobia ma'am server though so there's

21:12

a lot more language sharing nowadays

21:15

are it's just like especially in

21:17

modern the age where you just

21:19

have to understand like if I'm

21:21

going to be did business with

21:23

multiple be will for multiple countries

21:25

right there, some language exchange or

21:27

a snap. At this point though,

21:29

there's probably a lot more of

21:31

like. A

21:34

language barrier stance. and if you're

21:36

sitting there your of power and

21:38

maybe. Some of the liked

21:40

the best. educated people were

21:42

educated incense. Yep, for what I'm

21:45

saying and Italian, there's no way their

21:47

accents were good. Okay, my hundred at

21:49

the end. It right us my mouth.

21:51

They might be able to converse to

21:53

like signed a bathroom and signed a

21:55

restaurant or whatever, but the idea of

21:57

like somebody correcting them. Somebody.

21:59

One. Laughing at a bad accident. Somebody.

22:02

Not understanding them or them not understanding

22:04

somebody else and all of that be

22:06

coming out there. Beasts server, that's. Exactly.

22:09

It was a great opportunity to

22:11

prove to yourself that you were

22:13

the best person's race I'm They

22:15

did spend a lot of. Money

22:17

of sir. I'm. One of the

22:19

traditions of this grand tour was the

22:22

second is that the Paris was to

22:24

go to a Parisienne taylor and immediately

22:26

order a brand new custom. Wardrobe

22:28

now. He has also. That.

22:30

Obviously bad. But. There's been a

22:32

part of my life And listen, I

22:34

recognize. How wasteful and extravagant

22:37

and whatever this is that's why wouldn't

22:39

do it. But I've always said my

22:41

ideal perfect world travel. I walk onto

22:43

an airplane with like air products and

22:46

my phone and the clothes on. Me:

22:48

Ryan Marwan What other than I land

22:50

round going I by the close I

22:52

mean once I'm there I were them

22:54

as as the end of the trip

22:57

I don't need them somewhere I walk

22:59

back onto the plane Me: Secretary: nothing.

23:02

That's the dress as though here

23:04

now my okay yeah, I wouldn't

23:06

do it for obvious reasons. Ah,

23:09

while your wardrobe was being done, they

23:11

would hang in Paris, learning dancing and

23:13

sensing and horseback riding and things like

23:15

that. And then from Paris he would

23:18

travel down to the Swiss Alps in

23:20

order to make it to Italy. Ah,

23:22

I'm I'm In which was. The

23:25

ultimate destination even if you are protestant because

23:27

of Rome. Right? One

23:29

old stuff, Savard. I'm. Here's.

23:31

Here's the problem with traversing the Swiss

23:33

Alps. At the time it was colds.

23:36

Million. Have Steelers the Ah yes! But

23:38

also it was practically over

23:41

run with wolves. Oh

23:43

okay, yeah, that okay. Don't.

23:45

Either to say there was no hot chocolate

23:47

or St Bernards with like with your eminence

23:49

the what you're saying makes a lot more

23:51

Sands Wolves have no. In the

23:54

seventeenth and eighteenth century, it's

23:56

believed that as many as

23:58

nine thousand people die in

24:00

wolf attacks. Okay, now here's what I'm saying.

24:02

The you know how many times people would

24:05

have had to die a wolf attacks before?

24:07

I was like i don't think my do

24:09

that one and yeah what's how many in

24:11

a row before you write I think I'll

24:13

be fine. That's wild to me. Can I

24:15

also say I know wolves get a bad

24:18

rap It makes a very upset. They're often

24:20

portrayed in movies weeks, months. My kids. About

24:22

this all the time rate has often

24:24

times like the wolves represent some kind

24:27

of like outside and tag knowing. Source

24:29

that you can be care less but

24:31

I say. If. Nine

24:33

thousand people die from wolf attacks

24:35

for sounds. That. Is nature's way

24:37

of saying this series. For. The

24:39

was. That's right. This is. Not your as

24:42

enough for you wolf Soon come into

24:44

your house. And you should not

24:46

go where the was live. which is

24:48

what's happening right now. If a was

24:50

starting to Buckingham Palace, you're allowed retail.

24:52

That was You go into the woods

24:54

where the wolf lives. Those was are

24:56

allowed to kill years. That's what I

24:58

decided is the new rules that still

25:00

exists even more. Gotta eat, You know?

25:02

Yes, I'm here sitting. There. Was

25:04

a very well. I. Still feel a wolf. The doesn't

25:06

Buckingham Palace by the Us? I think it would

25:08

be absolutely the Coors The if I found out

25:11

today. If. I were oh it

25:13

is reporting I lived as I get on

25:15

whatever new side I actually trust he says.

25:17

and they were. I guess there's a wolf

25:19

with a gun to Buckingham Aus like months

25:22

ago. Wizards. They just

25:24

leave the thing, only leave food out

25:26

for whatever they have a perfectly pleasant

25:28

relationship with. This was. They're. Not

25:30

trying to domesticated or whatever. He doesn't

25:32

attack them. I. Have my respect levels

25:34

would bump up. Jump over there for the

25:37

world family. The day there

25:39

was a well respected way of

25:41

that well established excuse me way

25:43

around. The. Swiss Alps again to

25:46

where you are going That people didn't

25:48

take it because it was considered. To.

25:50

Be. And

25:53

masculine. You. Know it's really

25:55

a masculine gun at by wolves.

25:57

I. Know know who's. Yeah

26:00

man. He. Died guy ever was.

26:02

What a man. Who? What are your

26:04

stuff? That's a man's samurai. They're the.

26:07

Only way to get across the Alps.

26:09

Ah because they had like I see

26:11

peaks, the animals and sets out with

26:14

on foot and it was supposed to

26:16

prove your masculinity if you were able

26:18

to do it except. Bees.

26:21

Rich. Boys. Didn't. Want

26:23

to walk? They would hire a

26:25

carry men. What do you think? A carry

26:28

Men. A carrier. Yeah,

26:30

Ah, aristocrats and amen to

26:32

literally strap them into a

26:34

chair fitted with long polls.

26:37

And. Carry them across the mountains like a

26:39

pelican right? but just had shared set of

26:41

like a little. Little said

26:43

Now once again when I'm talking about

26:46

my personal dreams. Ever since I have

26:48

kids and my have to carry them

26:50

around places I have said what I

26:52

need. My three foot tall child I'm

26:55

carrying at six feet tall so bought

26:57

it for their wealth and power man.

27:00

Who like Wade? You know he has

27:02

five times stronger than me or whatever.

27:04

How sorry that my kids when he

27:06

carried me around somebody doesn't selling. These

27:08

were twelve foot tall men that were

27:10

carrying them around. know? Okay, yeah. That

27:14

snit. So. I

27:16

mean it. It really just boggles the mind

27:18

to me that this is supposed to like

27:20

you're taking this dangerous or it to prove

27:22

your masculinity. But. What? You actually

27:25

do is you hire people to carry.

27:27

Like a baby like a bit now I

27:29

would also argue once again. man I wish

27:31

I'd been alive during this time now for

27:33

all of up but so I could say

27:36

to someone what is being stupid make you

27:38

more mass us Why would you say like

27:40

that were try to educate these design center

27:42

out the warmest off so the mouse matthew

27:44

as they do is problem solve. Figure out

27:47

a better at how is that not? Why

27:49

are you. Why are

27:51

you uprising stupid? Or their

27:53

blinds reckless stupidity? Yep, over

27:56

like oh they figured out

27:58

a better way. Like.

28:01

That. Seems so blatantly obvious. Mirror: or even

28:03

like oh we should they feel their feelings

28:05

in the be more sense it's it's more

28:07

like yeah, put. The. Cigarette.

28:10

Out a better way as that's

28:12

better than the like bore aimlessly

28:14

charging a her is so wild.

28:16

yeah. I'm I think that

28:18

we need to continue. s. Ah,

28:21

As we explore Italy and if we we

28:23

make it through France and the Swiss Alps

28:25

and you go on to Italy yeah there

28:28

are several other stops and things that we

28:30

want. I want to talk about. As

28:32

far as. That. Experience Go

28:34

There was a tiger city

28:37

and then scorpion birds. The.

28:39

Adversary throne and will talk about that

28:41

next week. I look at eerie I

28:43

am as well as as as as

28:45

a grandeur of brand to are still

28:47

alive that a two parter oh okay

28:49

cool thought that was clear know you're

28:51

trying to get her second break our

28:53

so that everybody sing have too much

28:56

from as they were going to be

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