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This is actually be recorded where we

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a poor way making me to I

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know my vote on his I apologize

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to everyone out there. I have lost

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my voice last time it was a

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me when we were at a retreat

1:00

in Costa Rica. We are now to

1:02

retreat are shameless rich readers are here.

1:04

Interlude: Mexico and you have a raspy

1:06

were clearly a their talk too much

1:08

with the air air con really messes

1:11

me up but rather call him a

1:13

call. And. Be Europe. Yeah, I apologize people

1:15

listening if there are. They've never heard

1:17

us out sound like this. Also, Oh

1:19

egg egg bird, we don't have a

1:21

headphones are now. So if this room

1:23

is actually Lucy and though and it's

1:25

just for this episode, that's not how

1:27

it always is. We're working with what

1:30

we have and and we were teaching

1:32

workshops yesterday and April was trained her

1:34

best to convey we were retirement or

1:36

how to answer orgasm Yeah! And then

1:38

we did the Art of Dirty Talk

1:40

and I was like I'm using body

1:42

language because I. Can't talk but your art

1:44

of dirty talk was little as a martyr

1:47

like second half was definitely trying to use

1:49

Other skills are either my we might allow

1:51

Had to how to use whisper in my

1:53

ear and convey to sixty people were you

1:55

sitting One night I was writing cause I

1:58

lost it completely. I was writing and. The

2:00

Journal that we gave her own. I had

2:02

minds and I was writing down to page

2:04

as a page she was sitting next to

2:06

me. Can you tell anyone this? yeah and

2:08

then Subic April wants everyone to know it

2:11

was however a me. Love this you like

2:13

a game Awesome! So I yeah it's fun

2:15

because I get sick and which houses play

2:17

telephone. That he could with their my area we did I

2:19

suited or if. We did that

2:21

at a lunch with all the rich readers

2:23

and I started this. I started it because

2:26

I couldn't talk to any. Once I whispered

2:28

in someone's air like and then syria what

2:30

came back out. Was very boring and bland.

2:32

Will not So yeah. Night and our like. They know

2:34

that no one is at the outset. Also, We

2:36

can have you whisper my of the case in.

2:38

A canoe. ask people if they were they

2:40

want for lunch the next April months and

2:43

now if you want when the gaming's have

2:45

any as is this Amy's and loving it.

2:47

It's. The whole during my son

2:49

was okay any. With. How will we?

2:51

We are. We want to give one shoutout. You

2:53

know you are your the dog trainers added to

2:55

the dup tweener. The old know who you are

2:57

here, that is, we love you, doctor, in the as

2:59

as a good thing you're often I mean or, yeah,

3:01

you're lovely. So this episode

3:04

is where The Genevieve. From Skirt

3:06

Club. She is the creator of Skirt

3:08

Club and this is the club for

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buyer bi curious women. In she

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is a bad ass, innovative, strong

3:14

woman and it is about skirt

3:16

club. Author about bisexuality and I

3:18

know we live in a culture

3:21

that assumes the all. Women are bisexual

3:23

and a lot of women and people

3:25

are or. At least Bi curious.

3:27

And we also talked about how

3:29

bisexuality can be like the invisible

3:31

orientation. So maybe you're a by

3:33

tic by person, a bi curious

3:36

person maybe. or by man, I

3:38

don't, else maybe you. All the

3:40

in betweens the and. The will find something.

3:42

Here. For you and April and I say

3:44

this on this episode but we're very excited

3:46

to go to Skirt Club because he i

3:48

have friends or. what bunch of locations i was

3:51

under the impression for some reason that it was

3:53

only in the uk because they have that their

3:55

website like skirt club dot c o dot uk

3:57

has his new york know the third there are

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Bunch and you can book on their website

4:02

after that we read you the feel a

4:04

global. They're global They're everywhere. There's

4:06

24,000 members globally. They're spread across the

4:08

world. There's a bunch just in the

4:11

US So you'll have to

4:13

check them out. You have to be

4:15

a vulva owning human Yeah to be

4:17

a member of skirt club and

4:19

there's a lot of wonderful openness second half

4:21

But what you'll learn about an episode because

4:23

you talked to Genevieve about this she created.

4:26

She is a genius Yeah, and she

4:28

says this in the episode But there's a lot of

4:30

people that are going that are married and have partners

4:32

and they're like, you know Going having their own experiences

4:34

here ethically sometimes not ethically but

4:37

right anyways or I guess consensually

4:39

when in terms of their Relationship

4:41

agreement and so we are

4:43

coming out of the retreat. We are

4:45

on day five. We leave tomorrow It's

4:48

a five-night retreat April's voice is officially

4:50

gone. It's been so fun I have to

4:52

tell you all oh my god Like the best

4:54

time and the women on our retreat right now

4:56

are all buzzing with joy. They're like, this is

4:58

life-changing When's the next one? I'm coming

5:00

off. It's got a good balance of workshops

5:03

with chill time with you

5:06

know some time with us and I'm

5:08

a bit party to a little party. There's some parties

5:11

and there's there's me. It's just been so

5:13

why is this loan? It's also yeah, and

5:15

it's totally I have a shameless admission. I

5:18

Chipped my tooth last night. She did that's

5:20

how much fun we've been having. Yeah And

5:23

the never-knew you also got naked. Yeah, and

5:25

Amy has me having a naked I'm the

5:28

naked person and I got naked and I

5:30

never see so I haven't got a naked

5:32

side keep forgetting to get naked I just

5:34

feel safe and comfortable. Yeah, and everybody's been

5:36

swimming late night. So oh, yeah, you were

5:39

naked I was like grinding you but I was

5:41

clothed. Yeah, and I just I I've

5:43

been having the time of my life Oh,

5:45

yeah with like everybody here. Yeah When

5:48

all y'all when all y'all listening that are

5:50

on the retreat right now if you're listening

5:52

this cuz they all fucking love You know

5:54

all of you and our previous Costa Rica

5:56

retreat. Are we fucking? We're gonna

5:59

do more. Yes And what we'd like to know

6:01

if you would like to come to our future retreats, which

6:03

could be a couples retreat for all

6:05

orientations, all genders, could

6:07

be all women's retreats again, like all

6:10

vulva owners. But please go

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to shamelesssex.com and fill out this

6:14

very quick survey. We want

6:16

to know where you want to go, when you want to go, how

6:18

you want the retreat. Think about different

6:20

places. We give you some options. I

6:23

know people also like the Caribbean, Panama. I had

6:25

a friend that just did a yoga retreat in

6:27

Panama. She loved it. It's like Italy,

6:29

Bali. Get wild with it.

6:32

Get creative. But we need more

6:34

feedback so we know where you want to be

6:36

with us. Because we need to also plan something

6:38

for the fall. Yeah. Okay.

6:40

So y'all have probably heard that we

6:42

have some events coming up. We have

6:44

workshops. We have shows, very exciting

6:47

live shows that will be very

6:49

entertaining and informative. But

6:51

let's see. To start in May on May

6:53

17th from 7 to 9 p.m.,

6:56

we will be at the Museum of Sex.

6:58

We love the Museum of Sex. It's the coolest

7:00

place. If you're on the East Coast, anywhere

7:02

close to Manhattan, it's on Fifth Avenue. They

7:05

have the Bouncing Boobs. I don't know if they still... I

7:07

think that's a permanent exhibit, but right now they have like

7:09

a sex carnival. And we're doing a meet

7:11

and greet there. It's free. 7 to

7:13

9 p.m. Come and just see us. Say hi. You

7:16

can get a cocktail. They have a bar there. And

7:19

you can join the carnival. And you can

7:21

join the carnival. There's also an

7:23

amazing... Their gift shop is full

7:25

of sex toys. So yeah. It's

7:27

a whole experience. So we just want to go and hang out

7:30

with you in person. And

7:32

New York is one of our biggest lists and shit. That's

7:34

why we're doing it. Show it up, Brooklyn. Show it up, Brooklyn

7:36

and New York. And Manhattan and all the boroughs. And

7:39

please come hang out with us. Okay. So

7:41

also the next day, we're

7:43

going to Philadelphia. This is

7:45

May 18th. This is a Saturday. And

7:48

we are doing a free, once again, couples

7:50

workshop and book signing at

7:52

Hustler Hollywood of Philadelphia.

7:55

It's also open to singles, right?

7:57

So it's designed as a couples workshop book

7:59

signing. But if you're single if you're

8:01

in a throuple just come and hang

8:03

out and learn from us and right

8:06

after that the next day On the

8:08

18th, this is again, May. This is

8:10

a Saturday night. We will be in

8:12

Philadelphia at Hustler, Hollywood, Philadelphia I said

8:14

Philadelphia, but don't forget because hustlers all

8:16

over and we love Come

8:19

and do you Philly? This is a

8:21

couples workshop and book signing and we

8:23

said it's free But I want you

8:25

to know this is open to singles

8:27

Throuples while we yes we talked about

8:29

couple stuff you can come regardless of

8:31

being in a couple or not We

8:33

want to see you and that's free

8:35

and you get discounts while you're

8:37

at the event, which is cool

8:39

So it's almost like a private shopping experience

8:42

for you shameless sexers out there. I

8:44

like that You can even talk to us about like pushing up. I

8:47

will help you and you get a workshop and It's

8:50

fun and you you can get your

8:52

book signed if you have a book if you

8:54

don't have a book you can buy our book

8:56

Just go anywhere books are sold. They don't have

8:59

it ask for it. Yep, and that's six to

9:01

nine or six to eight Sorry six to eight

9:03

p.m. Yeah, Billy and okay, but after that y'all

9:05

in June So we're doing our tour. This is

9:08

not we're not going our book tour, but it's kind

9:10

of a book tour It's the shameless sex unleashed

9:12

tour and this is where we

9:14

are giving you a fucking show. It's called

9:17

Edutainment. Thank you to dirty Lola Edutainment

9:20

yeah, so you probably won't even know

9:22

you're getting educated because it's gonna be

9:24

entertaining af we're gonna guess We're gonna

9:26

have it's a menagerie of fun. Oh,

9:28

these are ticketed events. He didn't have

9:30

sex. Yeah, there's a lot of sexy

9:32

It's comedy if you want to laugh

9:34

harder than you've ever laughed learn Maybe

9:37

without even knowing that you're learning something exactly

9:39

and come hang with us. We are coming

9:41

to a city near you Yes, and

9:44

they're ticketed event and that one. Yes, go inside

9:46

So this is this is different than like, you

9:48

know, let me teach you a workshop at like

9:50

a lecture about sex toys or pleasure This

9:52

is you are going to learn all those things

9:55

and you're going to be entertained Like so

9:57

what you're like going into comedy club or overrun

10:00

show variety show or like a burlesque

10:02

who knows I mean we're everywhere you have

10:04

a different offering yeah might be one

10:06

there be drag there could be burlesque

10:08

where we're gonna have some entertainment for you

10:11

and how do they get there I know

10:13

everyone here's the thing the encouragement is please

10:15

buy these tickets now because we lock this

10:18

in and into these these are larger venues

10:20

and we want to show the venue how

10:22

loved we are and I think if you're

10:24

listening you love us so if you want

10:26

to show us how much you love us

10:28

please go and buy the tickets for in

10:31

mid June that is Portland in

10:33

late June that is Chicago

10:35

in early ish July

10:38

you can just go to our website

10:40

too for all of this we're Chicago

10:42

yeah yeah and early August we will

10:44

be in Seattle and you're also getting

10:46

some bonuses for doing this ASAP and

10:48

there's a VIP package or just a

10:50

general admission the VIP years are gonna

10:52

get free bags

10:54

goodie bags we're gonna tell them just what you do

10:56

if you buy tickets now you gotta buy the tickets

10:58

now because we have a minimum it's new because we

11:00

might cancel if we don't make our minimum so if

11:02

you buy the tickets now the first 20 people get

11:04

a bottle of uber lube and guess who will give

11:07

it to you when you

11:09

get there Amy oh one

11:11

of us and the other thing we

11:13

are offering even if you were the person

11:15

you know the 60th ticket you can send

11:17

us a receipt of either buying our book

11:19

or your ticket to this event and that

11:22

is all on our website there's a link

11:24

there with yours and then you include that

11:26

and then you have your sex question on

11:28

there and we will personally answer your sex

11:30

question to you with a voice memo and

11:32

guess what we charge a lot of money

11:34

for that so for like 30 bucks whether

11:36

you buy the book or the workshop and

11:38

you get like a mini coaching session usually those are like

11:40

$150 an hour so there you go yeah there you

11:44

go I'm not gonna get an hour though no but

11:46

you get personal one-on-one entertainment

11:49

no it's not entertainment all right that's

11:51

cool I'm excited for all of this

11:53

but buy a ticket take the ride

11:56

right Amy yeah that's Hunter S let

11:58

me us okay so for

12:00

a sex question my raspy voice chip

12:03

yeah I love my raspy tip I'm letting you

12:05

do a lot more of the information

12:07

today is also letting me like actually

12:10

shush her like it's the one time

12:12

everybody's like yeah I

12:14

invited the whole group like everyone just tell

12:16

April to shut the fuck up whenever I'm totally

12:18

open to that too okay I am by and

12:20

my husband knows and while I've kissed other women

12:28

I've never touched or gone down on

12:30

a pussy but I would

12:32

really like to experience that and

12:35

also I have no idea what the

12:37

fuck I would do I think this is

12:41

such a great question and we get so

12:43

many sex questions and this episode can

12:46

tap into what this person wants to know because

12:48

there's skirt clubs they could go experience that however

12:50

maybe they'd go to a skirt club and be

12:52

like what do I do when

12:54

I get to the skirt club how do I eat pussy how

12:57

do I how do I even touch up yes I've seen it

12:59

yeah but I don't know I have one yeah I do and

13:01

I don't I don't

13:03

know skirt clubs like so maybe they do mini

13:05

workshops like here's how you do they don't know

13:07

about kind of we talked about this a little

13:09

bit on the episode about

13:12

people kind of accidentally learning like we've the

13:14

X oops I learned something because you you

13:16

can observe and watch what other people are

13:18

doing when other people are playing yeah but

13:20

there's also things you could you could put

13:22

in your tool belt like oh yes I

13:24

mean I got the best I personally want

13:26

wouldn't would not want to go to an environment

13:28

not well I did not I did

13:31

that many times my my teenage years

13:33

my twins I don't know what I'm doing

13:35

was gonna try it trial and error but

13:37

I would like to have some sort of

13:39

education about how to do that so yeah

13:41

as you were April saying if it comes

13:43

that we're talking about hands on pussies mm-hmm

13:46

omgs.com slash shameless to get a

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discount but that has been revel even

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for people who are not by right

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like even for say you're a penis owner you want to touch

13:54

a pussy in a more efficient and one

13:56

one thing you always talk about and we've actually

13:58

I think we set it our book you

14:00

can utilize your mouth by

14:03

watching what the hands do totally so you could use that

14:05

you might be like well I want to put my map

14:07

in a pussy what do I do well

14:10

you could watch the OMGS like

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the OMGS the season one is

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your on your vulva it's really tastefully done

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it's it's a game changer

14:26

I really recommend it all ages

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like yeah it's very inclusive

14:32

they have people from 18 to 95 I think that's

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what thousands of real life

14:37

vulva owner backed by research season two

14:40

is internal pleasure and stimulation and if

14:42

we're talking about you know hands and

14:44

and mouths you know internal can be a

14:46

part of that and it shows you various techniques

14:49

gives you a lot of ideas because everyone's really different

14:51

there's not so we think we actually can't say here but

14:53

there's a couple of things we can say is like you

14:55

know try this but there's not one

14:58

thing that's going to work for everyone other

15:00

than being really present also really curious communication

15:03

but OMGS gives you this really clear idea

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of all these things you can try and then season

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three is sex toys but sticking with the hands part

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we're just going to stick with that that part of

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it like it go check out omgs.com to

15:14

learn more about how to do

15:16

the hands on vulva pleasure and

15:18

also though what else say to this person because

15:21

they have a pussy experiment with

15:23

your pussy and with your own

15:25

hands and see you know what

15:27

feels good and wasn't feel what

15:29

doesn't feel good and maybe you

15:31

already have a well-developed masturbation practice

15:33

but now which is what OMGS

15:35

shows us everyone is different so also

15:37

maybe like get creative with trying different

15:40

things on your pussy and like oh

15:42

I didn't know but pinching my outer

15:44

labia feels really nice yeah and I

15:46

think experimenting because all pussies are different

15:49

there's no one one

15:51

way we can guide you to be giving

15:54

you advice to be like everybody is gonna love that

15:56

because some people are internal some people are external some

15:58

people want finger in the

16:00

bum while you're, while you're eating their pussy. I don't think everyone

16:03

wants a finger in the bum. Don't try that. April does. I

16:05

said some people because I'm one of them. Some,

16:07

many most. And then the

16:10

other thing with, so when it

16:12

comes to that, hands and

16:14

mouth on pussies and bdicks

16:16

and assholes, they like

16:18

moisture, lubricated hands. Like if I have

16:20

a hand going in my pussy, if

16:22

my pussy's not already like super wet,

16:25

I'm like, can you add the Uberlube? Even if

16:27

it is wet, it kind of helps. Yeah. Just

16:30

add the Uberlube. And it only lasts

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as long as you want it to last. And this

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kind of is a perfect shameless plug because

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we love OMGS and Uberlube. We have

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but we've loved them even before they

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this is because we feel this

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way because it's legit amazing. Yeah.

16:51

Both. The lube and the

16:54

sight. And one thing that we learned

16:56

from Dan Savage, which was, tell me what

16:58

you're into. And because the question

17:00

of like, well, tell someone's about to touch your pussy

17:02

and they said, tell me what you

17:05

like. A lot of people get stage right. And I don't know.

17:07

Tell me what you want, what you really, really want. But

17:11

in the moment, like I'm going to touch your, I'm not touching

17:13

up with pussy. Yes, I am.

17:15

And I like start to touch and I say,

17:17

like, what do you like? She might go in

17:19

stage right mode. So you can also ask people

17:21

before that, like before you have your first experience

17:23

with a woman where you're actually touching her pussy,

17:26

like, what are you into?

17:28

Are you into internal? Like, do you want me to

17:30

meet my fingers inside of you? Do you want my

17:32

mouth on you? Do you want more stimulation around your

17:34

clitoris? Do you want me to like blah, blah, blah,

17:36

and just try and you tell me if you want

17:38

me to stop. You want me to call

17:41

April and have her come over and show you. Yeah.

17:43

They're like, well, I'm not available right now. She's

17:45

kind of busy. And then when you

17:48

learn more about hands on pussy and

17:50

that you were already commenting on this,

17:52

hands on pussy touch, your

17:55

mouth can replicate that. Not

17:57

perfectly, but almost in the same So

18:00

if you were using your hands in more of like

18:03

a flat up and down motion on the outer

18:05

part of the pussy This is you know, all

18:07

the labia the external labia the internal labia the

18:09

clitoris That's what your tongue can

18:11

do if you're putting you know You've one

18:13

or two fingers on or around the clitoris and

18:15

most people don't want it right on the head everyone

18:17

It's usually on like the left right or the shaft

18:21

Then that is what your your lips can do

18:23

or your tongue can do and you're

18:25

basically thinking of it as what

18:27

worked with hands And how can I do that

18:29

with my mouth because your mouth can essentially just

18:31

be calm your hands But it's already

18:34

moisturized and if it's not put uber lube

18:36

in your mouth Yeah, and don't do the

18:38

ABC don't okay, and we have episodes that

18:40

we've recorded about pussy play Pussy

18:42

pleasure and in our book we have a chapter

18:44

dedicated to how deep pussy like a champ Yeah,

18:47

that episode is still our number one. Yeah, and

18:49

in our book we talk about like

18:51

using that pussy So there's a lot there's

18:53

a lot of things that you can learn out

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19:11

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okay? I mean you're reading this but I You

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too I will use a no mark. Yeah

19:20

Genevieve is the founder of

19:22

skirt club a private members

19:24

club for bi-curious and bisexual

19:26

women with more than 24,000

19:30

members globally Genevieve was

19:32

the first to curate luxurious global

19:34

events where women can put their

19:37

own desires first and gain confidence

19:39

From the bedroom to the boardroom. She

19:42

is even building the world's first dating

19:44

app for bisexual women a Leading

19:47

figure in the movement for

19:49

women's sexual empowerment Genevieve has

19:51

been interviewed by many mainstream

19:53

media outlets such as Marie

19:55

Claire L-magazine Cosmo

19:58

and Rolling Stone To

20:01

learn more about Skirt

20:03

Club, go to skrtclub.co.uk.

20:12

All right, everyone. It is interview time

20:14

and we are here today

20:17

with the wonderful Genevieve. Okay,

20:19

how do I pronounce your last name? Actually, I need to ask

20:21

that. Les Junes. Les Junes. Les

20:23

Junes. Oh, Les Junes is

20:26

fine. Genevieve Les Junes. From Skirt Club, founder

20:28

of Skirt Club. We've actually heard a lot

20:30

about Skirt Club over here and a lot of you are like,

20:32

what's Skirt Club? Or maybe some of you know. And

20:34

we are super excited to hear more about what

20:37

Skirt Club is doing and not just about what

20:39

Skirt Club is doing. We're also going to talk

20:41

about bisexuality and bi-curiosity for women

20:43

about how monogamy and non-monogamy can fit

20:45

in into this picture of women going

20:47

to play parties with other women. Maybe

20:49

they have a partner at home. Maybe

20:51

the partner knows. Maybe they don't. We'll

20:53

find out. And it was just female

20:55

empowerment in general. So go girl power

20:58

and super excited, as I said. So

21:00

you already heard a little bit about

21:02

Genevieve in the bio and the intro.

21:04

But Genevieve, can you please tell us

21:06

a little bit more about how you got to

21:08

where you are today in the field of sexuality? Skirt

21:11

Club. Oh my goodness. Yeah,

21:13

it's been quite a long story and I'm 10

21:15

years in at this point. So let's say I'm

21:17

in deep. But

21:20

look, like most women, you know, I started

21:22

out trying to explore for myself. And

21:25

along the way, I discovered a lot of women felt the same

21:27

way as I did. You know, there was an

21:29

interest in discovering sexuality with

21:31

women, same-sex sexuality, and

21:33

didn't know how to go about it. There

21:35

was zero options. So I

21:37

started a club. And 10 years on, we

21:39

are now global and 24,000 members.

21:44

And born in London but in 36 cities.

21:47

And yeah, lots of women have smiles on

21:49

their faces today as a result. Oh

21:52

yeah, and it's got this really sexy

21:54

energy, the vibe of it seems. Skirt

21:57

Club is a great name for it. It just seems like...

22:00

just like classy

22:02

and luxurious and

22:04

also feeding some deep desires that some folks

22:07

might not be able to feed right or

22:09

honor so or nurture we

22:11

could say it nicely so let's talk

22:13

about what Skirt Club is all about

22:15

and why is it so important to

22:17

create this safe space that's like this

22:20

erotic space for women that are bi

22:22

or bi curious especially in comparison to

22:24

other sex parties out there. Women

22:26

they need a safe space to open up fundamentally

22:29

that's what it comes down to and yes there

22:32

are plenty of co-ed parties where

22:34

you can explore your sexuality with your partner

22:36

or meet new male and female partners

22:38

but ultimately I discovered something very important

22:40

about 12 years ago when I went

22:42

to my very first sex party and

22:45

I realized that women when they're with

22:47

men tend to perform and

22:50

they weren't really truly listening to what their

22:52

bodies wanted they weren't giving their bodies

22:54

a chance to speak so I

22:56

decided to have an all-female party only on

22:59

the basis that it helped women reach deep

23:01

into their true desires and only then

23:03

could they act from those. So

23:05

teaching women to put their own happiness first has

23:08

been one of the core

23:10

fundamental properties of Skirt Club

23:12

and its community. Yeah I've been to

23:14

sex parties where or I don't know

23:16

if they're yeah anyway events but like

23:18

it was play party vibes and luckily

23:20

for me most of the ones I've

23:22

been to is you know it's the

23:24

Bay Area here it's very sex positive

23:26

and yeah not like people performing for

23:28

the male gaze but I you

23:30

know we've done a lot of interviews with people and

23:32

I know a lot of folks that are in more

23:34

like the swinger world or more like mainstream sex

23:36

parties where like they have to look at

23:38

your I don't even not judging if you

23:40

look at people's Instagram profiles but you have

23:43

to apply and be attractive and it's a

23:45

little bit seems more of like a performance

23:47

and I can see why for a lot

23:49

of folks especially for you know bi and

23:51

bi curious women who really want to just

23:53

embody their own ultimate power why it would be really important

23:56

to have a space where it's not all about like pleasing

23:58

the male gaze so my guess There's no

24:00

dudes there. There's no penises in the room at

24:02

all. Nope, not one. Not even the bartender. Not even

24:04

the bartender. Not even the security, yeah. Security

24:07

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24:10

Yeah. And uh... That's

24:13

awesome. You'll be amazed how different women behave when

24:15

there are no men in the room. Yeah. As

24:18

a social experiment alone, you'll find that

24:20

women are incredibly kind and generous and

24:22

supportive of one another. Once you put

24:25

just one guy in that room, it's

24:27

a very different scenario. And unfortunately,

24:29

society has kind of taught women to

24:31

compete a little when there's men around.

24:34

So, you know, another reason why I love

24:36

doing what I do is I help strengthen

24:38

women's feeling of sisterhood and support for one

24:40

another, which I think overall they could benefit

24:42

from. So you could be like behind

24:44

someone at the club, be like, yeah, get

24:46

it, get it, girl, get that orgasm. Come

24:48

on, a jock-u-loot. Something like, jock-u-loot. Oh my

24:51

God. I'll bring the bro energy maybe that

24:53

no one wants. She's

24:56

gonna be the dude non-dude in the room.

24:59

How do you go there? There's a

25:01

ton of cheering on and a ton

25:03

of encouragement. There's a ton of

25:05

like helping, like more hands, the barrier, you

25:08

know, there's a lot of assistance. You

25:10

know, it's not a one-on-one experience. Like a lot

25:12

of our play parties are five to six in

25:14

a bed or in a steam

25:16

together where there's a

25:18

lot of stumbling. And I can't tell you just

25:20

from looking at them, who's who or which

25:23

limits belong to which body is very

25:25

difficult to ascertain. You

25:28

know, and a part of that is very sexy

25:30

too. You know, it's just a lot of like

25:32

sensuality and I would love to be sensual,

25:34

you know, they love to be touched. They love to touch.

25:36

Oh, yes. I agree. At least you can

25:39

put myself. April's touching me right now

25:41

in a very interesting way. Okay. So

25:43

anyways, just my arm, everyone. Okay.

25:46

I have a question and this is not ours. I

25:52

mean, I've heard this from a lot of folks

25:54

who work in the human sexuality field, especially queer

25:57

bi folks, saying that bisexual might be

25:59

an... visible orientation. Do you agree

26:01

with that? Disagree? And why? Can you

26:03

elaborate? Like, what are your feelings about

26:06

that one? Yeah, you know, divisibility is

26:08

something I truly support. It's celebrated every

26:10

September 23rd. You know, we have a

26:12

day marked out for it. And, you

26:16

know, we're the first to write that

26:18

by-fry flag. It is an issue because,

26:21

unlike gay or straight, you know, there's

26:23

no clear indicators here. There's nothing about

26:25

being bisexual. That is obvious. So

26:28

it's important to put it on the map. And because

26:30

it's so straight passing, you know, there's also a bit

26:32

of a... Is that taken

26:34

too seriously? You know, it's like, well, they don't have to

26:36

suffer in the same way as many

26:39

gay people have over the past couple

26:41

of decades in order to establish themselves

26:44

as accepted in society. It's a very

26:47

different path. And a lot of bi women

26:49

at Skirt Club are also married to men

26:51

or in a relationship with a man. So,

26:53

you know, there's nothing... There's no requirement to

26:56

show that you're bi and then also get

26:58

paid for not at the same time. So,

27:00

yeah, there's a lot of

27:02

bi visibility requirements needed still. You may

27:04

have to support that. So on that

27:07

topic, with the folks attending, like the

27:09

women that are there, being

27:11

in relationships a lot of times with men,

27:14

with dudes, penis owners, because this is sort

27:16

of this non-monogamy piece, whether it's

27:18

ethical or consensual non-monogamy, whatever folks might

27:20

call it. So do you get an

27:22

indication? I don't know if it's on

27:25

their intake form, if they're in a

27:28

relationship with someone that is giving their

27:30

blessing, like, yes, go do this. Or

27:32

is it this secret? Is it kept

27:34

quiet and sort of like, I

27:37

don't ever like to say a dirty little

27:39

secret, but like a sexy little secret that

27:41

they they're like, my husband, my boyfriend, my

27:43

partner is stoked that I'm here.

27:45

Or is it more hush hush? They don't

27:48

know. And I love that. It's

27:51

a mix of the answer. But I will

27:53

say things have changed over time. You know,

27:55

when I first started this 10 years ago

27:57

in London, it was an US sworn to

27:59

secrecy. and there were NDA signs and there

28:01

was real fear in the room.

28:04

Because we were so still ashamed, in

28:06

many ways, there was so much stigma

28:09

attached to bisexuality that it

28:11

was hard for us to say it out loud. And

28:13

that label carries so much weight. It

28:16

still does a little, not as much as it used

28:18

to, but a woman, you know, first

28:20

admitting that she enjoys sex

28:22

and then describing her sexuality, and

28:24

then saying she likes both. There

28:27

was a lot of commentary around

28:29

that. Not so very favorable either.

28:31

They look, you know, as far as

28:33

I've had a time, I've

28:35

saved in the last 10 years, things changed rapidly

28:37

with it now becoming like popular,

28:39

especially in pop culture. You know, it's,

28:41

there isn't much of a Netflix show

28:43

these days without a girl in gold, sex

28:46

scene. They know where the ratings are. So

28:48

it works. But you know, and

28:50

that's helped, that's definitely helped the cause. So

28:52

I would say over 10 years, you know,

28:54

it went from being like sworn secrecy to

28:56

now like out and proud. We still do

28:58

not allow photos at our event because not

29:00

everybody is on the same page there, right?

29:02

So we have to protect just to be sure. But

29:05

a lot of women these days are proud to say

29:07

that anything but straight, in fact, as Gen Z, they

29:10

don't want to be straight anymore. So

29:12

wait, is there a protective, still like

29:14

clause or policy, meaning protecting other people's

29:17

privacy that don't want to be like

29:19

if someone, well, you know, I live in a

29:21

small town of, there was a skirt club in

29:23

Santa Cruz, and I went and I was like,

29:25

maybe I don't want someone to know that they

29:27

still have NDA that they sign just protecting folks

29:29

privacy. I don't want to, I wouldn't

29:31

care. But I'm saying someone's shopping at the grocery store like,

29:33

I saw you at skirt club last week. And they're like,

29:37

Oh, you, you're at a PCA meeting

29:39

talking about it. Yeah, you've

29:41

got to be able to the fact that that could happen. You

29:43

know, I do have members who have met

29:47

party companions at the school gate while picking up

29:49

the kids. Yeah, it has

29:51

happened. It's really rare. But maybe wave

29:53

like this like, hey, like a V. Yeah,

29:55

like a like a V. Sorry, if you're

29:58

not wanting us on YouTube. Yes. Watch

30:00

this on YouTube. It's

30:02

more of a wink. Um, but now two friends,

30:04

right? Who

30:12

had the same life and shared

30:14

a secret and they're in the same boat. And

30:17

you have to remember that you're in the same boat,

30:19

right? It's, and don't be afraid

30:21

of, you know, she may tell someone, you

30:24

know, those both of you here in this equation.

30:27

Yeah, it, yes, it can happen, but it's so

30:29

rare. I mean, especially in big cities

30:31

and I would love to do skirt club, Santa Cruz, but I don't

30:33

know if we can get enough. It wouldn't

30:35

be able to be in San Francisco. San Francisco

30:38

would be great. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's like a

30:40

little bit shaming anyway. If you're like, Oh, I

30:42

saw you there and I was there too, in

30:45

my opinion, I'd be like, yeah, so that means we're

30:47

both really fucking cool. Yeah.

30:49

Amazing. Yeah. It reminds me of, so I

30:51

used to own a brick and mortar sex shop here

30:53

in Santa Cruz for 12 years and some,

30:55

you know, people would come in and they'd be big. I don't

30:58

want anyone to see me in here. I'm like, but they would

31:00

be in here too if they did. I'm

31:04

sure everyone's cool. I happen when we, because

31:06

we were both waitressing at the time too.

31:08

Right. Like in addition to, cause I

31:10

worked at the store with her and I was bartending

31:12

and sometimes, you know, a dude would come

31:14

in and buy a big dildo or a certain porn and I'd

31:16

see him sitting at the bar, this like, they'd all rest out

31:18

with his kids and I was like, you

31:21

don't worry about a thing because you know what?

31:23

Like it's not, it's not my business to share.

31:25

You do what you like to do. But

31:27

they would be nervous and they, and then they would come into the

31:30

shop again and be like, thank you so much. And I'm like, what

31:32

was I going to say? I love that dildo you picked out

31:34

that rainbow 11 inch cock

31:37

and you upgrade. Yeah. I was like, no, don't worry.

31:40

I do that. But good call. I was thinking

31:42

about that too. I have, um, two friends that

31:44

went to one of your events. I think it

31:46

was San Francisco. I think I know who I'm talking

31:48

about, but why don't you say names? Cause we don't do that at all.

31:50

We don't ever do that with anyone, but, um, they went

31:53

and I think it was like six months ago and they,

31:55

they kind of knew each other a little bit before. Not

31:57

that well. And they, they went there and they, they. played

32:00

with each other for the first time. And now they're

32:02

BFFs. But they were like, I'm

32:04

not a BFF, but they're close. And it

32:06

just brought them closer. And it was super

32:08

fun and exciting. And I know,

32:11

I think they identify as bi, or

32:13

can we say bi-ish, like monogamish, it was bi-ish

32:15

a thing, no. Curious. Yeah,

32:17

curious. Not very curious, yeah. And

32:20

so yeah, but they loved it. So they have

32:22

just stunning reviews of what you offer. So I

32:24

have a question for that. It's a little, I

32:26

mean, it's related what we're talking about with the

32:28

partners. Do you have any advice for how someone

32:30

could talk to their partner about wanting to attend

32:32

a Skirt Club event or explore bisexuality in general?

32:34

Like if so, if April and I are partners,

32:37

and I'm like, I want to go do this, but we're monogamous.

32:39

And we'll say it's not April. Let's say I'm

32:41

in a relationship with a dude. And I've mostly

32:43

just been with dudes. And I'm like, I want

32:45

to go explore this. But I'm worried about how

32:47

they'll feel like any advice on that? Yeah, I

32:49

think, and ultimately, I think it's always important to

32:51

be honest, because you'll always get

32:54

the best relationship from each of you sharing

32:56

your true desires. Yeah,

32:58

I get it. It's much easier to hide and

33:00

not tell him. But ultimately, you're not being

33:03

honest about who you are. And if he loves

33:05

you, he'll accept who you are. And that

33:07

shouldn't be an issue. It

33:09

just requires a conversation. I'm probably an awkward

33:11

one. But better to

33:13

start somewhere. And it could

33:15

start with, you want to

33:18

share a little favorite porn of yours

33:20

with him. And maybe it's a girl on

33:22

grass scene. And explain that this really turns

33:24

you on. And you're not sure

33:26

why. But you got a bitch you might like to

33:28

scratch. And maybe you'd like to discover

33:31

for yourself one day what that feels like.

33:33

Just quote the idea, see how he comes

33:35

around to that at all. But I would

33:37

go slowly on this. Vote ideas.

33:39

So you do check the temperature,

33:41

see the reaction. And

33:44

if you can see the eyes light up,

33:46

and he's like, that sounds great, honey. Then

33:48

you've got a solution to present. And yeah,

33:50

who hardly takes it. It's

33:53

really important to have boundaries in place.

33:55

And before you come to an event, you

33:57

best absolutely have play with each other once OK

33:59

and well. what's not okay. The

34:01

last thing you want is you know, is an

34:03

awful argument the next morning or the end

34:05

of a relationship over exploring your

34:07

fantasies. Fantasies should be allowed

34:10

and they are best discussed and he's

34:12

probably going to have one as well. So be prepared

34:14

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37:39

other penis owners as in there are dudes

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like it's like this is almost safer because

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37:52

that these sex parties in general but there

37:54

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37:56

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37:58

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Well when you when I think of like

38:32

people's insecurities around exploring non-monogamy

38:34

and non-monogamy We could just be like, you know

38:37

We want we go to a sex party together once a year or

38:39

something that could still be non-monogamy And but it's often

38:41

you're gonna find someone better than me Right like

38:43

it or like my insecurities like what if I'm

38:45

not good enough or someone's better in bed They're

38:47

hotter the cooler whatever and then this

38:49

is a question for both of you what you think about this

38:51

Doesn't it kind of seem like we're number one bisexuality

38:55

is more normalized for women to

38:57

be bisexual as opposed to men and You

38:59

could have so a woman is like I am Super

39:01

bisexual and they're in relationship with a man and

39:04

it seems more often Not that man's gonna be

39:06

more insecure about other men as opposed to other

39:08

women and that's yeah, isn't that

39:10

interesting? I think because they don't have a

39:12

dick. Okay. Yeah, I don't know exactly why

39:14

so if she's like I'm bisexual I equally

39:16

like men and women and you would still

39:19

be more insecure about the dudes. I

39:21

don't know Well, he's a direct replacement. Sorry. Yeah.

39:23

Oh, there you go. You're not threatened as a man

39:25

You're not so threatened by a woman. I mean

39:27

it I'm not saying that

39:29

you shouldn't be I mean You

39:32

like women then you could easily choose to

39:34

go that direction and you know that has

39:36

happened We've had members who've come to skirt

39:38

club Married happily

39:41

and decide that there's a part of themselves. They

39:43

just didn't know was there and suddenly She

39:46

prefers women and now she's dating a woman

39:48

and she's left the husband and that they

39:51

again It's rare, but it has

39:53

happened. So, you know guys don't be

39:55

fooled Well, that can also

39:57

happen that could happen with a tennis instructor a

40:00

goal instructor a teacher at your kids

40:02

school at a yoga and the yoga

40:04

structure to tinter really

40:06

a instructor Or no

40:08

instructor at all. So many want to At

40:11

the restaurant. Yeah So

40:14

it's you don't own anyone right? That's

40:16

not part of of being in a

40:18

relationship Even if you have even if

40:20

you have documentation that you're together forever

40:22

and you've exchanged vows Sometimes

40:24

that shifts and changes and with people so

40:27

that's what like that's your pearl talks about

40:29

right? Domesticity can be the killer of

40:31

a lot of relationships So you got to keep it

40:33

fresh and this is a way to do that in

40:35

my opinion Which is why we're

40:37

loving this conversation with you. So I do

40:40

have a question though There's

40:42

this quote and maybe it's called the

40:44

motto Or mission

40:46

so it's our goal is to be

40:49

the catalyst for each woman to become

40:51

the mistress of her own life So

40:54

this is something that is Absolutely

40:56

resonating with me and I know Amy mentioned that it

40:58

was with her too. So we love it Can

41:00

you just explain more about what this means? Yeah,

41:02

I wrote that a few years back

41:04

now, but Look,

41:06

I really really want women to own

41:09

their happiness and they take

41:11

a back foot on this through life because

41:13

they're such givers nurturers

41:16

carers We're all mothers

41:18

sisters friends and all we do is

41:21

put on first and We

41:23

think it's selfish to consider our

41:25

own happiness is important and it's

41:28

been the biggest hurdle the last Especially

41:30

read more recently the last five years when

41:32

I try to Get

41:35

women over that hurdle on it's okay

41:37

to pleasure yourself It's okay to put

41:39

that pleasure first and by

41:41

filling your cup you fill others naturally It's

41:43

something if the gift that keeps them giving

41:45

and not and that's not selfish at all,

41:48

you know It's it's a beautiful

41:50

way to live your life and once they

41:52

see the results of that then you'll find All

41:55

those around you who are close to you are very

41:57

supportive of you seeking out that happiness. So You

42:00

know the mistress of your own life is taking

42:02

charge of it choosing what you want choosing what

42:04

your heart wants And accepting that is

42:07

okay and not selfish but fulfilling for everyone

42:09

around you I want to be my own

42:11

mistress or my own side piece. You

42:14

can't tell from an empty cup We've talked

42:16

about that so many times right that is

42:18

that is true. That's true Can

42:20

I ask a question or yeah just for

42:22

our listeners also for So obviously for us

42:24

to paint the picture of like what and

42:26

I know they're probably all different I was

42:28

actually looking the events the other day or

42:30

earlier today and you have so many things

42:32

going on all over the world It's

42:35

almost like this felt like almost every day or

42:37

week There was like there's different events in different

42:39

cities all over the world and so I'm sure

42:41

they're all different But my understanding is it kind

42:43

of starts like you go and it's like like

42:45

a cocktail party like you're in your cocktail It's

42:47

like fancy cocktail tired like sexy fancy and and

42:50

I that could be completely wrong So this

42:52

is probably just from what I heard from one person who went

42:54

and you drink a champagne and stuff It was

42:56

connecting and then it kind of turns into that

42:59

You know the dresses come off and the lingerie

43:01

comes on and our people bring in their own

43:03

sex toys And also I want to know what

43:05

what if you could just like Highlight some things

43:07

that you've seen without giving away what people are,

43:09

you know, they're they're keeping them anonymous You

43:11

what are like and you said there was some

43:13

of those like six bodies all in a puddle

43:15

But like is like mutual masturbation is there is

43:17

there like pussies on pussies a lot of pussy

43:20

eating some people just sitting aside Just to hang

43:22

out and not engage like what is it like

43:24

big questions? I'll

43:28

dive into the play party event that we

43:30

run because this is all about that We

43:33

do run social probably 80% of our

43:35

events program is Social events,

43:38

but we are super famous for what we started

43:41

out with first Which is our play party and

43:43

we call that our signature event each has

43:45

a theme So you'll know you'll

43:47

have like a Pinterest board to consult in

43:49

terms of dress code beforehand That's

43:51

a lovely way to break the ice and talk to

43:53

other women You just met for the

43:55

first time on arrival. So

43:58

typically the format would

44:00

be arriving at a secret location

44:02

where you receive the address just

44:04

24 hours beforehand, typically central

44:06

to a city, a penthouse or

44:09

a luxury home of some sort. You'll

44:11

be dressed for nine, but I

44:13

hope as women dressing for women is always

44:15

like an extra bit of effort because we

44:17

know that you register all the details and

44:20

appreciate all the effort. So we're always proud

44:22

to go to the lecture. And then you'll

44:24

be greeted with a glass of champagne by

44:26

one of our many hostesses. It's

44:28

really important that we have a lot of

44:30

big team to welcome you. We

44:33

understand how nervous you might be coming

44:35

alone. And really, it's 99% of

44:37

our members arriving all alone, which

44:41

is scary, let's face it, for

44:43

any kind of party. So you

44:45

make sure there's plenty of processes there,

44:48

just to chat, introduce you to new

44:50

members, helping you make friends quickly. And

44:52

then yeah, after about 30 minutes

44:54

of allowing everyone to arrive on

44:56

time, we'll break into typically a

44:59

small talk. From me, if I'm there, I'll

45:01

give you a little bit of the background as to what skirt club's

45:03

all about and why it's important to put your

45:06

pleasure first. Little consent

45:08

talk, and then we'll move into

45:10

a performance typically burlesque or an

45:12

aerialist or fire eater or something

45:15

that ends with a strip tease and

45:18

then some naughty games. And

45:20

that's where the clothes start to

45:22

come off. And the beautiful lingerie a

45:24

lot of our members have invested

45:27

in for this event. It appears.

45:30

And they just love to transfer around in that

45:32

with the champagne or cocktail on their hand. It's

45:34

so freeing. Yeah, it's so

45:37

empowering. Yeah, we love it. What

45:39

about sex toys? What about sex toys too? Do they

45:41

bust out their own sex toys? Do you have some like

45:44

that you can get while you're there? Because that's always important

45:46

for me, at least with any experience that that could I

45:48

could just be a lone soldier on that.

45:51

You're welcome to bring your own sex toys. We're not

45:54

selling sex toys at our events, we're not selling anything. Your

45:56

ticket includes everything there is to offer, which

45:58

is all the cocktails. Also, it's

46:00

a little awkward carrying a

46:03

purse around when you're not wearing anything. You're

46:05

trying to make that as comfortable as possible. Look,

46:09

you're welcome to bring your own sex toys. We

46:11

do have some instructions on

46:13

how to keep that hygienic, because

46:16

we're very aware of STDs and

46:18

how they could be carried from

46:20

sex toys. There's a lot of instructions

46:22

around how to, depending on what

46:24

you're bringing. Most people are bringing just small

46:27

vibes of anything. She has a belt of bullet that

46:29

fits bullet vibes in it. It

46:31

looks like it's for guns, but it's bullet vibes. I'm

46:33

thinking about that you wear at Burning Man. You

46:36

can bring that. They don't vibrate though. They're

46:39

actually actual vibrators, but they're missing the motors. They're

46:41

little bullet vibes, and they've just been glued to

46:43

the spell, and it was given to you by

46:45

the company. That was so cool. You

46:48

had all the different colors once you show up, and you're like,

46:50

this is for you. I could grind on you and vibrate as

46:52

I try to spin. That'd be fun. Let's

46:55

just make the real version of that, though. I'll happily wear

46:57

one of those. Go to a G.I. Jane type thing. That's

47:00

how I always feel now. I'm a

47:02

little bit sexy G.I. Jane, like rainbow G.I. Jane

47:04

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question about who, so we know it's

49:47

vulva owners that are attending these events.

49:50

No penises allowed. Sorry, penises. We love you.

49:52

There's other events for you. But can any

49:54

vulva owner join or attend Skirt Club? Is

49:56

there a vetting process? I know that you

49:58

have to apply and to to get

50:00

a membership, but how does that all work?

50:02

Yeah, there's an application on the website. It's

50:04

two photos and a brief, basic

50:07

description of who you are and

50:09

confirmation that you're a Volvo owner. That's

50:12

pretty much it. I wouldn't call it a lengthy

50:14

process, designed to be quick and

50:16

easy and get you on board as quickly as

50:18

possible. Yeah. How do I prove that I'm a Volvo

50:20

owner? Do I send you a picture? You don't need to... I'm

50:23

going to take your word for it. I'll find out very quickly if you lied about

50:25

that. Yeah, you will, yeah. I'm going to take your word for it. I'll find out

50:27

very quickly if you lied about that. Yeah, you will, yeah. That's

50:30

probably true. I like that. Okay, so that's

50:32

easy enough. I like it. And like a bio

50:34

or something? No, you don't even need a bio. I can be like,

50:36

I'm... I

50:41

don't know how to say that. I don't know how to say that. I

50:43

don't know how to say that. I don't know how to say that. I don't

50:45

know how to say that. I don't know how to say that. I don't know

50:47

how to say that. I don't know how to say that. I

51:05

don't know how to say that. I

51:22

don't know how to say that. I

51:42

don't know How to say that. The

52:00

it is advised that hanging around a whole bunch

52:02

of vulva as a glut law hang with aren't

52:04

have is exposed. The people will hang out like

52:06

naked or topless or whatever with a hobo to

52:08

ladies of the poor and in it. But the

52:10

minute is like o'clock dangling around. It's just speak

52:13

a little the surface if the energy it as

52:15

if the energy a bet is that It said

52:17

I love got but I'm like well there's that

52:19

Cox and it's you don't For me as interesting

52:21

as I knew I am, I don't identify as

52:23

bisexual person at and I think women's bodies. Are

52:26

gorgeous as is a Coors I were

52:28

earlier. like you know, watch out is

52:30

that your your your lady? My go

52:32

to Wendy's parties. And leave you m but okay

52:34

the only one say about that. That.

52:36

Marriage you're talking about? There probably was already issues.

52:38

If you're literally right, Gold is very rarely their

52:40

partner going to go meet someone else and just

52:42

bail if. Your degree as a do it like. You know

52:45

really connected cr ban exactly but yes

52:47

of the yeah this the into with

52:49

women women's bodies that they're just like

52:51

the so at and you're all shapes

52:53

and sizes ray you can be super

52:55

curvy, are flat chested or what one

52:57

massive google know boob on the other

52:59

side i don't tear your gorge a

53:01

be a front the like front remaining

53:03

bola aura under facing like it out

53:06

here and any just ah I love

53:08

that the variations in his genitals or

53:10

beautiful all the variations there and it's

53:12

his I when i look at men's.

53:14

Bias For me, I don't feel. Just.

53:16

Oh so sensual and beautiful in an inline

53:18

other those are just were. As I don't

53:20

even feel that in my body, I feel

53:22

more like Who? Hot Man? Yes, Like a

53:25

human necessity. Hot Me Like. I

53:27

don't let all the necessary it's us what to

53:30

say. It makes sense why there's no dick in

53:32

here and then like you're saying and over to

53:34

admit women together they're just is as new level

53:36

of freedom. Naso

53:38

you learn how to I feel like

53:40

he has. I've had many of by

53:42

sexual experiences the course of my it's

53:45

like sexual life right from my teenage

53:47

years you thirties and sometimes I learned

53:49

how to pleasure myself in ways I

53:51

didn't know about before because a one

53:53

and pleasing me kind of had different

53:56

techniques said that do that hooked up

53:58

with does that make sense. So.

54:01

You can learn about your own sexuality and

54:03

also exploring others like I'm delivering pleasure to

54:05

Others Also can teach you new ways to

54:07

these thyself. So that's kind of an added

54:10

bonus I think when I think about skirt

54:12

club so maybe that it can be added

54:14

in the into the reasons why that one

54:16

thousand or two thousand reasons why to be

54:18

a skirt club member in the other thing

54:21

is that it's global as Amy mentioned. so

54:23

y'all and I think he said thirty six

54:25

cities so what can you talk a little

54:27

bit? Just like a range of the city's

54:29

the states, the countries, Where people if

54:31

they're like, yes, Skirt Club? Where? Where are

54:33

the events held In general? I know it's

54:36

a lotta places and a how how did

54:38

you. End. Up taking it global

54:40

from London to everywhere, well without with a

54:42

lot of hard work Reliably know where I

54:44

live on a plane for about seven years.

54:46

During this the Arm and I built teams

54:49

in each of these studies the Us to

54:51

continue on for where I left off which

54:53

I personally trains that they they could act

54:55

with you on among the brand that I

54:57

had craters on and you want to limit

55:00

her. loves her experience of the. Of

55:02

an aspie elevators and to themselves safe.

55:05

So. Either all the things to

55:07

come to bed at it it's a lot

55:09

of plausible or work that it right? Answer:

55:11

Yes Parties? Looks. Of effortless on the outside,

55:13

but that's because of a lot of work done

55:15

on the inside tibet them. There was. This your

55:17

writing the right, the right audience.

55:19

Very important. So yeah, it's. A.

55:22

It's an awkward life. been tough, it's not

55:24

been now. The easiest company to run. Nice.

55:27

I've come up again for lot of

55:29

walls bessie with banking, banks and period

55:31

processes. If he decides oh yes that on

55:33

the whole you know with still here and

55:36

I'm and I still if anything because refer

55:38

to market in terms of. Delivering a product

55:40

that was just for women. And

55:42

demonstrating that women's pleasure is it is

55:44

a category as I write and they

55:46

do have the standing powerful that has

55:48

to pave the way to many other

55:50

countries to come forward and and and

55:53

to and and like. Design.

55:55

That stuff for women they can have more

55:57

Men have had to century. it's it's it's.

56:00

The Highly unfair. For.

56:02

A long time and I

56:04

really. Get I'll personally on swinging

56:06

that back into balance and and helping

56:09

women. Receive. All the pleasure they

56:11

deserved. Reflect. This is the even honor

56:13

or question the simulator in a lot of us were

56:15

oh sorry where to go somewhere and or overview like

56:17

me are we taking your like the idea Zola it's

56:19

all a hit or not it's everywhere that just in

56:22

case for because people ask us I know that and

56:24

they i am assuming you could go to your site

56:26

with will get to that just like a general over

56:28

and few wanna say you know have been either. Oh

56:30

no I slit nolan. The website and again know

56:33

there are no secrets. Are. Already personally my

56:35

life a little as the most newspapers

56:37

and well starts at it was so

56:39

other. Order Chronological order of how I wrote.

56:41

This our started in London of course where of

56:43

living at the time where I'm from and then

56:46

I moved to Miami which is where I live

56:48

now and so I opened my own be next

56:50

and then we did New York L A San

56:52

Francisco and D C and then I would have

56:54

it was trailer. And Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

56:56

And then I came back. To of

56:59

cinema recently Chicago and we on

57:01

our backs to a launched in

57:03

Toronto as well and to we

57:05

we did most of Europe so

57:07

he dared. Milan, Barcelona, Amsterdam, Paris

57:10

and all of Germany. in Germany

57:12

is a very open market instead

57:14

of Europe to be very traditional

57:16

as lease or but chemise my

57:18

the forefront that so they came

57:21

in first. Or with Berlin. And

57:23

then Munich Frankfurt. Color in Combat

57:25

Amazing. That's an amazing Sproul an

57:28

ass. and also shanghai me as

57:30

a went on came from. Yes,

57:32

Typically it so I'll go puts a has

57:34

often said look I live in the city

57:36

I think we'd like Tusker Club here like

57:38

cold and like an assessor and that I

57:40

fly over and help rebuild it and shanghai

57:42

with one of items on gallons. Like a

57:44

good place to. I've been on com a

57:46

couple times and it's amazing. It's like any

57:48

a star club, just skinny minutes while i

57:51

well okay. I grew up in Hong Kong, so

57:53

I know really well. Oh. And as the interesting

57:55

thing about that as it's a very small

57:57

place and a lot of finance tight tight

57:59

spots. there. So they were just a

58:01

little bit too worried about having to

58:04

make out with their co-workers. It's

58:08

like growing up a small town, like I know

58:10

you, I know you. I slept with you, you

58:12

plated my ex, you plated my... You're the reason.

58:15

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, a

58:17

little bit of that. But we do socials

58:19

there. You know, the most important ingredient to

58:21

running a play party is variety in a

58:23

large audience. So they work best in big

58:25

cities. So if you want to come to

58:27

a play party and you're in the US,

58:30

it's going to be New York, LA,

58:33

San Francisco, with less frequent events

58:35

in Miami and Austin. And

58:37

now Chicago is on the map

58:40

too. But the regular is New

58:42

York every month. And it's such

58:44

a wow factor venue and party that

58:46

I really love it. And the women there

58:48

are so sassy. They just food. I just

58:50

love how they just own it. You know,

58:52

there's never an apology for their actions. They

58:54

do exactly how they feel. And it

58:57

comes a lot with earning your

58:59

own money and having that independence,

59:01

that level of independence. I

59:03

rarely see anywhere else in the world. New York has

59:06

really got that nailed. I'm sure

59:08

there's like $3,000 braziers from Chanel that

59:10

come out in New York. The fashion

59:12

is so fabulous there. I mean, obsessed.

59:15

You're like, okay, I

59:17

might have this Victoria's Secret bra on and you look

59:19

great. I'm learning from you. We

59:22

recently we would be partners

59:25

with Adjourn Provocateur in New York,

59:27

because we're seeing a lot, you know, the

59:29

women of New York, they want to look

59:31

their best. So we're seeing a lot of that

59:33

recently. This sounds really fun. I mean, I'm so

59:35

as someone again, like I'm not really identifying

59:37

as a bisexual person, but I

59:40

love being in the energy vibe doesn't mean I'll

59:42

like still try things out like I'm like make

59:44

out with women the occasion. Like, oh, still straight.

59:47

You're like so hot, still

59:49

straight. Fuck. But there are

59:52

people can come and not they can come for

59:54

more of the social and the energy not not

59:56

they're not required to hook up, right? No,

59:59

I'm not the whole. point is no pressure.

1:00:01

They don't know how to assert pressure

1:00:03

on each other. They're just so graceful.

1:00:06

It's such a lovely, loving environment.

1:00:08

And we all think you'll see,

1:00:11

when you attend an event, it's from the beginning,

1:00:13

it states, no pressure, feel free to hang out

1:00:15

at the bar and drink champagne with me

1:00:17

all night and just listen to the

1:00:20

flows of orgasm from upstairs. I

1:00:24

love that. I'm also a pro-rout. So that's perfect.

1:00:26

That's what I would say to be right there. I would

1:00:28

be great. I'd be like, oh, putting my ear to the

1:00:31

wall, like, what's going on? And there's this consensual. I

1:00:33

have one question that wasn't on our list, but I'm really

1:00:35

curious about this. What do you

1:00:37

love the most about

1:00:40

Skirt Club or your job or what,

1:00:42

or like being in that environment? Like what, what

1:00:44

about it might be a couple of things, but where

1:00:46

that you like charges you up and makes it so you want

1:00:48

to keep doing this all the time or every day. We

1:00:50

do get a lot of great emails

1:00:53

typically on a Monday morning where we've hosted

1:00:56

a party that weekend and the

1:00:59

messages are just like fundamentally life changing.

1:01:01

You know, I realized that was a

1:01:03

part of me. I had never discovered

1:01:05

I'm in love with life again. I

1:01:08

feel energized. I feel

1:01:10

confident. I feel myself. That

1:01:14

authenticity piece around, I call it

1:01:16

confidence bedroom to boardroom because

1:01:19

once you lock into gear

1:01:21

and become yourself, it

1:01:23

unleashes so much more. And it's not just

1:01:26

your sex life and your sexuality

1:01:28

and your experiences in the bedroom. It

1:01:31

goes right through to all parts of life

1:01:33

where you become more assertive and women

1:01:35

could just benefit from a lot

1:01:37

more of that. You know, something men are never

1:01:39

being shy of. I want that

1:01:41

confidence for women too. Nice. That's

1:01:44

great. That's like real purpose right

1:01:46

there. That's like something that makes

1:01:48

you feel alive and like you're actually doing something to

1:01:51

help change the world to help people

1:01:53

explore their fantasies in a safe environment.

1:01:56

I think that is something to celebrate.

1:01:58

So thank you for that. work that

1:02:00

you're doing Genevieve because people I don't think a

1:02:02

lot of people could try but I don't think

1:02:04

they're doing it as well as you do so

1:02:06

well I know they're not so sorry but not

1:02:09

sorry because keep doing what you're doing another 10

1:02:11

plus years. Thank you. And so

1:02:13

on that note we have to

1:02:15

wrap up because I know that you are

1:02:17

a busy human so how can people how

1:02:19

can they find you how can they how

1:02:21

can they find a Skirt Club how can

1:02:24

they attend the events how can they find

1:02:26

more of this work? Well please visit us

1:02:28

at our website skrtclub.co.uk because

1:02:30

we were born in London so we're still

1:02:32

flying that domain and there you can

1:02:35

apply to sign as a member and come

1:02:37

to any event. We are going to make

1:02:39

Skirt way more accessible at the

1:02:42

come to the end of this year when we release our

1:02:44

new app which will carry

1:02:46

a different name Skirt Society and will lean

1:02:48

more on the social aspects of

1:02:51

being bicurious and meeting other

1:02:53

open-minded women who aren't in

1:02:55

necessarily traditional monogamous relationships

1:02:57

but open to exploring in a

1:02:59

safe way that's totally like consensual

1:03:02

on board with their partner so

1:03:04

there will be more skirt available

1:03:06

to more women soon but for

1:03:08

now you can find us in

1:03:10

two different places skrtclub.co.uk and skrtsociety.com.

1:03:13

We love that. That would be so cool like a

1:03:15

dating app. Yeah that's like you can still connect with

1:03:17

the people that you meet because you're not gonna have

1:03:19

your phone in your lingerie. I love that. But the

1:03:22

app is it just for members or can

1:03:24

anyone be on this app? All women. All

1:03:26

women. Okay so you don't have to be

1:03:28

a Skrtclub member to use

1:03:30

it. Oh that's so exciting. It's not out yet though.

1:03:32

She's still working on it so soon. So stay tuned.

1:03:34

That takes a minute because there's always quirk. Wow that's

1:03:36

exciting. That

1:03:41

was like that was like an aha moment. That's

1:03:44

genius because if you're connecting because that would happen

1:03:46

all the time at these parties because you can't

1:03:48

carry your personal like let me just write your

1:03:50

name in like whatever

1:03:52

I can't even find a pen right if you're at a party

1:03:54

and you're to evolve in in your pleasure you're like I don't

1:03:56

need a pen right now let me get on to you later

1:03:59

on the skirt in the Yeah, it's

1:04:01

too much in the moment to

1:04:03

be remembering names half the time.

1:04:05

And also, skirt

1:04:07

society is about the social component of

1:04:09

connection, or connection as I put it, but

1:04:11

it's not for dating necessarily, but for connecting

1:04:14

on all levels as women do so well.

1:04:17

No Man's are

1:04:29

using feminine aura to help

1:04:32

us discover more about ourselves.

1:04:34

I'm sure there's a there has to be some kind of

1:04:36

integration too. And if you're with other

1:04:39

people in this social media realm, right,

1:04:41

this app, then you can help process

1:04:43

your experience because it's better to process

1:04:45

it with someone that was actually there

1:04:48

or has been in that

1:04:50

environment before, rather than integrating it all by yourself

1:04:52

to be like, Whoa, I'm feeling all these things.

1:04:54

What does this mean about my life? Because it's

1:04:56

such if you're bi curious, you might have confidence.

1:04:59

I think that's really important. And

1:05:01

just the yeah, almost like having a

1:05:04

community of people. So great, great,

1:05:06

trying to be able to love that community that's what

1:05:08

it's all about. And you're no longer

1:05:11

alone. And I'll be honest, there was a

1:05:13

moment in 2013, where I thought I was the only girl

1:05:15

in the world who felt this way. And

1:05:17

I'm pleased to find 24,000 members

1:05:20

of skirt sub who feel

1:05:22

the same and I can talk to

1:05:24

about that transition. It wasn't

1:05:26

comfortable, but it was nice having

1:05:28

solidarity and friendships and people who understood.

1:05:31

I didn't have to blame myself to. Well,

1:05:34

all people that wanted to make change,

1:05:36

especially women were never quiet. And it

1:05:38

was never easy, right over the course

1:05:40

of, of civilization. So thank

1:05:43

you for what you're doing. And

1:05:45

yeah, it's all shifting, right? I keep, I keep

1:05:48

feeling that I think the eclipse is happening April

1:05:50

8 over here, we're not going to see in

1:05:52

California, but people are talking about it. It's a

1:05:55

reset. It's a new beginning. It's

1:05:57

a new beginning. So what's the new

1:05:59

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