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Hi, I'm Sandra Champlain. For

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over twenty five years, I've been

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on a journey to prove the existence

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of life after death. On each

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episodisode, we'll discuss the reasons

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we now know that our loved

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ones have survived physical death and

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so will we.

1:08

Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

1:11

We've spoken a lot in the past about

1:13

dreams we have at night of our deceased

1:16

loved ones. You know those dream visitations

1:19

also lucid dreaming, getting

1:21

into that very real space and

1:24

inviting your loved one in. Dreams

1:26

of our loved one are so comforting. But

1:28

today we're going at a

1:30

different angle. This is

1:33

in that time between just waking

1:35

up or just falling asleep and

1:37

being awake and inviting

1:40

our loved ones in through the

1:42

dream gate. Today you'll

1:45

meet doctor Janet Pete A Latto,

1:47

who is a psychologist and has given

1:50

her life to the dreaming

1:52

world. She holds two doctorates,

1:55

including one in trans personal

1:57

psychology, where she studied with

2:00

doctor Stanley Kripner, a

2:02

world renowned dream psychologist.

2:05

Through her writing, she offers a glimpse

2:08

of the inner world that we can access

2:11

through our dreams. Let's meet

2:13

doctor Janet.

2:15

I am a dreamer, and most people who

2:17

do know me know that I already have my

2:20

memorial stone in the ground, probably

2:22

for the last fifteen twenty

2:24

years, and beneath my name

2:26

it says dreamer. I

2:28

look at a life that I've worn many

2:30

hats. I've been a daughter, a

2:33

wife, a mother. I've been a

2:35

professor, I've been an author, but

2:37

I've always been a dreamer through all of it. So

2:39

while the hats come off, and I move

2:42

through different phases and new chapters

2:44

may open in my life. It is

2:46

the dream gate that basically

2:49

gives me life. Most of us

2:51

look at our lives and say, we get up

2:53

in the morning, we go to work, we see,

2:56

feel here, touch and taste

2:59

everything around us. We communicate

3:01

with our physical world, but we're

3:03

only half awake.

3:04

If that's all we pay attention to.

3:06

Sandra, it really is moving the

3:09

waking world to join with

3:11

the dream world, to elevate consciousness.

3:14

Consciousness is all around us. We sit

3:16

in consciousness, as opposed

3:18

to those who think consciousness is and little

3:21

envelopes inside our brain. The Egyptians

3:23

pulled the brain out and threw it away. They were right

3:25

because it's only a transformer. But

3:28

that invisible, hidden part of ourselves,

3:31

thesaura mystica, is really what life's

3:33

about. And for me, that's the reason

3:35

why I'm alive without it. What I see

3:37

in the physical world is not enough to

3:39

seduce me to be here. But when

3:42

I join my dream gait information

3:45

all of what I get and I don't

3:47

mean dream by just putting the head

3:49

on the pillow, going to sleep at night and

3:51

perchance remembering one out of the five

3:54

dreams that we have. Every ninety minutes.

3:56

At night, we're going to have a dream. We

3:58

just don't remember it because we don't wake up,

4:01

and memories of dream material

4:04

made at night are not stored

4:06

the same way as our working material

4:08

during the day, And so we may get

4:10

one dream at night we remember, and

4:12

if we're clever enough, we write

4:14

it down. I have thousands of pages of

4:17

dreams from the time I was a child,

4:19

and those dreams will still have something to tell

4:21

me, because the superficial

4:24

of the story of the dream is not what

4:26

we need to see. It's what's beneath

4:29

it, and that's what dream therapy is about.

4:31

The dream may tell us that there's a particular

4:33

person in a particular place and particular

4:36

events, but each one of those is

4:38

an image, and that image

4:40

is a doorway, and that doorway brings

4:43

us to remember something else,

4:45

until in the end we have this Eureka moment

4:48

when we say, oh, my goodness, this dream

4:50

is telling me something that

4:52

you need to know in your life that you've missed.

4:55

Do we only get it during sleep? Absolutely

4:57

not.

4:58

During the day.

4:59

We can be out of you to doing our work,

5:01

and all of a sudden, like bubbles in a champagne

5:03

glass.

5:04

Material rises.

5:05

We're thinking about someone, we're thinking

5:08

about event in our life, or if it's

5:10

someone like me, Suddenly I'm

5:12

in Egypt and I'm seeing my friend,

5:14

my families that are in Egypt, and

5:16

I'm seeing them doing certain things, and

5:19

I can pick up the phone and call them. We call that

5:21

remote vision, and I'm seeing something

5:23

that happens. Why, it's not out of body.

5:25

If we're out of body, we did, but when

5:28

we extend our body, expanded

5:31

body is what I like to call it. We have an

5:33

expanded experience because we're

5:35

welcoming consciousness all around us.

5:37

It's very shamanic. What does a shaman

5:40

do? Or shaman goes into the dream world?

5:42

What do the Aborigines do? They go into

5:44

the dream world. That doesn't mean that you put your head

5:47

on the pillow and go to sleep. If

5:49

each person in life would

5:51

only do this, would be aware

5:53

of they're standing in a grocery store and all

5:55

of a sudden, they're remembering being a child,

5:57

and their grandmother is making a cake that they

6:00

like, and they're sitting down and they're talking

6:02

to her. If they would realize that

6:04

that's a message you're seeing something

6:07

on a landscape that's not around

6:09

you, that's not in your physical

6:12

environment. But you've gone beyond

6:14

time and space to connect with

6:16

something or someone that's

6:18

not in your environment right then and there, and

6:21

you've put that material down, and

6:23

of course you begin to analyze it and walk

6:25

through the doorways as to what it's going to tell

6:27

you.

6:27

For me, this is what life is

6:29

about.

6:30

I've had tragedies in my life, and if

6:32

that's all I would be looking at, why

6:35

would I want to be here? I would say

6:37

life is just tough, and these

6:39

tragedies are not pleasant. Therefore

6:42

I could curl up in the corner and cry all day

6:44

or say it's unfair. But I don't

6:46

look at it that way. Every tragedy

6:48

is an opportunity. The heart breaks open

6:50

so that more can happen and we can

6:52

see more. And by going into

6:55

the dream, we understand

6:57

our life here is so transient. Look

6:59

at all of the generations and millennium

7:02

that have passed before us, Sandra, They've

7:04

all gone somewhere and we're going

7:07

to join them. We're going to connect

7:09

with every one of those ancestors, and

7:11

we can do it here and now too. So my

7:14

life is very much about walking

7:16

that magical path of the viamistical

7:19

mystical path. What I see in waking

7:21

reality is important. We have to pay

7:23

our bills, we have to pay the taxes,

7:25

we have to eat. Yes, and I have a

7:27

chef's degree as a pastry chef. I

7:29

went to the French Culinarians and actually

7:32

moved into the city while I took the coursing. And

7:34

unfortunately, my first born,

7:36

my little Jeannette, developed leukemia,

7:39

and then shortly after, unfortunately, my beautiful

7:41

son Ignatius passed away with aortic

7:43

stenosis.

7:45

I've grown up with death.

7:46

I often tell people, and this is good for

7:48

anyone who's suffering and has lost a

7:51

loved one, that we have the story

7:53

of the Garden of Eden, and there's a tree

7:56

in that garden, and the

7:58

Judeo Christian story where we eat off

8:00

the tree, and this is why we are sent down

8:03

as the fall from grace. And

8:05

I have a little different interpretation. We

8:08

have a fall, but it's not a fall because

8:10

we did something wrong. It's a

8:12

falling consciousness. We're

8:15

in that garden and there's a tree,

8:17

and there's wisdom on that tree,

8:19

and that wisdom is spoken by the snake,

8:22

the snake that's immortal, that sheds

8:25

its coat and becomes new

8:27

over and again, that never dies. And

8:29

the snake tells us, come, would

8:32

you like a bite of the apple? But there's

8:34

a contract if you want that apple. The

8:36

apple is bittersweet, and

8:39

if you wish to bite it, the contract

8:42

is that you will suffer as well as having

8:44

joy. You'll see your beautiful

8:47

life, but you'll also be disappointed

8:49

in things. You'll have losses, and you'll have

8:51

gains, all pairs of opposites. Would

8:53

you like to experience this? And so

8:55

each one of us that's here has

8:58

bitten into that apple. And the

9:00

cooks of the matter is there's always an

9:02

image of Adam and

9:04

Eve being escorted by an angel

9:07

through a doorway through which the grim

9:09

reaper stands. Death is

9:11

by the doorway. And if we understand

9:14

that that's the hope that

9:16

death will bring us back to

9:19

the great Garden of Eden, that's the promise

9:22

that we're going to be born. But the

9:24

birth that brings us here, there's

9:26

another birth that brings us back

9:29

into the garden. Death is our

9:31

best friend, saying that our

9:33

life here as wonderful

9:35

or as horrible as it can be is all

9:37

transient. Every moment is flowing

9:40

toward our return home. And

9:42

I can look at this and say, truly,

9:45

I had an experience which showed me one

9:48

hundred percent this is what it is. My

9:50

daughter was ill for five years

9:53

and she was taken care of in Slow

9:55

Memorial in Manhattan.

9:56

I met many.

9:57

People with children like mine that

9:59

were on the line to go home.

10:02

And it was interesting because at this place

10:04

I met people from all over the world that I'm

10:06

still very dear friends with. We

10:09

experienced something that no one wants

10:11

to experience, and yet it opened

10:13

our eyes to something great. When

10:16

my daughter was at the very end and the hospital

10:18

could do no more for her, they sent her

10:20

home and they sent me all the injections

10:22

and everything to do for her, to give

10:24

her the infusions, and I

10:27

would wake her up at four o'clock

10:29

in the morning. I still wake up every four

10:31

o'clock in the morning, and I would have to

10:33

attach her medporch to the

10:35

chemo. But the chemo would only run

10:37

forty minutes, and I was not

10:39

given a chas of sailing that I could

10:41

go to sleep, so I would kneel

10:43

on the wooden floor. And it was September

10:46

because she was in palliative care

10:48

under me from September through January,

10:50

and while I was on the floor, I

10:52

would have my rosary beads with me. I'd just

10:54

say the one prayer over and over and over

10:57

and over and just don't think. And

10:59

that's what I would be doing at four o'clock in the

11:01

morning, watching the chemo drop. And

11:04

suddenly I found myself

11:06

on the ceiling of the room, looking down

11:09

at my body that was saying the rosary,

11:11

my daughter that was getting the chemo, and

11:14

I heard a voice, and the voice said

11:16

to me, you agreed to

11:18

this? Do you remember? And

11:20

believe me?

11:21

Sandra?

11:22

When I was up on that ceiling, I'm not only

11:25

remembered and knew that I agreed,

11:27

but I also knew that it was absolutely

11:30

no big deal. It was as though

11:32

I had agreed that my daughter would

11:34

go and play in the park for a while without

11:36

me, and then I would eventually go to join

11:38

huh. And then all of a sudden I

11:41

would be washed back into my body and

11:43

I'd say, what was that I

11:45

agreed to that? That's horrible. And

11:48

I would move through September, October,

11:51

November, December. Every week she

11:53

had that infusion that

11:55

I had to give her a chemo. By the time

11:57

she passed away, I was totally

12:00

convinced that there was a truth to

12:02

that, that each one of us has a pre birth

12:04

contract. We bite into that apple,

12:07

but we're given choices of

12:09

what we're going to experience in life,

12:11

and then we're sent and usually

12:14

there's the story of being dipped into the

12:16

what is a forgetfulness? So if

12:18

we realize death is our friend because

12:20

we're going home and we're not home, we're

12:23

visiting here, we're visiting.

12:25

And I remember telling my mother that when I was

12:27

a child I was visiting, she wasn't

12:29

really my mother, the family wasn't

12:31

really my family, and my name

12:34

is not really Janet because who

12:36

was I before she gave me that name.

12:38

I'm going to stop Janet here until after

12:40

the break because she goes into a story

12:43

about meeting up with her grandfather

12:45

who is deceased. Now, notice

12:48

that Janet had those supernatural

12:50

experiences at four o'clock

12:53

in the morning while she was giving her

12:55

daughter chemo. There's something

12:57

about that twilight time. Hear

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Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

14:11

Sandra Champlain and we're here with doctor

14:13

Janet Peter Lado Dream

14:16

Expert.

14:17

I was home.

14:17

I was not in school yet, so I was about four years

14:20

old. My mom got a phone call that

14:22

my grandfather, her father, had

14:24

taken a stroke, and we went down to Grandpa's

14:27

house. I stood by his bed

14:29

and I held his hand as Grandpa

14:31

died, and Grandpa passed away holding

14:34

my hand, and my mother opened

14:36

up my fingers and brought me home

14:38

and I ran up to my bedroom to play, and

14:40

Grandpa was sitting on the bed and

14:42

we played and talked. When

14:44

I was taken as a little girl in my little

14:47

white dress that my mom made me to the

14:49

funeral, Paula. I still hate Gladiola's.

14:51

To this day.

14:52

The whole hole was lined with them. And

14:54

Grandpa was in his box, and I couldn't understand

14:57

because I knew he was still all

14:59

right. And he came to visit me again

15:02

on the eve of my wedding, coming into

15:04

my bedroom. So I've been extremely

15:06

lucky. My daughter also appeared

15:09

to me after she passed away. It's

15:12

very interesting because it was twenty

15:14

five years after her death. I

15:17

was not looking for her. It was

15:19

and this is important for people to realize.

15:21

It was not listening to somebody's voice,

15:23

speaking and getting energy around them. Was

15:26

in the middle of the night this time of the year.

15:28

My husband was an accountant. He was

15:30

working. I kept on getting

15:32

up from bed to tell him, come to Betty's

15:34

working too late, it's too late, too late. And

15:37

I finally wake up and I think

15:39

I see him standing by the bay window

15:41

in our home. And then I realized

15:43

that it's not my husband, it's not Biggie.

15:45

It's my daughter, Jeanette. And

15:47

I knew immediately that this was going

15:49

to be very fast because I

15:52

knew she had passed. She came to

15:54

me. She was physical. I hugged

15:56

her and she was warm, and

15:59

she said to me, don't forget me, mommy.

16:02

Now we had boxes that we had

16:04

put together with her toys, and

16:06

we had only begun to dismiss

16:08

them and pass them away. And

16:10

I called my husband to be in the room,

16:13

and he appeared in the room, and

16:15

she said to him, thank you, daddy, thank

16:18

you for saving my pony. And

16:20

I didn't know what she was talking about. In

16:23

the morning, I realized that I

16:25

was in what was called a hypnopoptic state.

16:28

You're coming out of your

16:30

sleep state, but you're not quite in

16:33

waking reality. And she disappeared in my

16:35

arms. I said to him, do you remember

16:37

dreaming last night? Because I knew he hadn't physically

16:40

walked. He didn't remember anything. I said,

16:42

it's strange because Jeanetti said,

16:44

thank you, daddy for saving my

16:47

pony. He was very quiet.

16:49

There was one box at the very end of

16:51

what we were putting into a big dumpster,

16:53

and I said him, don't even bother to open it. I can't

16:56

bear to look at these toys. He

16:58

looked at me sheepishly, and he said there were

17:00

two things I saved. I said, what did you say?

17:02

He said, I don't know what I saved. I said, wait

17:04

to put them. He said, I left them in the garage.

17:06

I didn't want to hurt you, so I didn't bring them in. He

17:09

brings it in and one is

17:11

my little ponies. With the little ponies. Now,

17:13

the connection of Jeannette in the middle

17:16

of the night, giving me substantial

17:19

confirmation that she's there telling

17:22

me something I don't know. He

17:24

doesn't know that he actually has

17:27

to go out in the garage and get That

17:30

was an amazing experience. But

17:32

at the same time, my husband

17:35

lost a brother when

17:37

he was only twelve years old, and

17:40

he really never recovered. I

17:42

had a hard time speaking to him about

17:44

it. He played the accordion he never played

17:46

for me. His life changed. It was just

17:48

the two boys. The brother was much older,

17:50

he was nineteen when he passed away. I

17:53

never met him, obviously. And at

17:55

the same time that this happened with Janette,

17:58

I'm in my office which was next

18:01

to my husband, and my brother in

18:03

law walked in to my office and

18:05

I knew it was he because I know what he looks like.

18:08

And again, Sandra, I was not looking

18:10

for him. I said to him,

18:12

don't you tell me that you love Iggy

18:15

because I know that already. I said,

18:17

give me something so that I know

18:19

you're really here. So He opened

18:22

up his hand and he showed me a photograph of

18:24

my husband dressed in a baseball

18:26

outfit. I said to him, no, absolutely

18:29

not, I know he doesn't like sports. This

18:31

is impossible. So he disappears.

18:34

I went into my husband the office

18:37

right next to me, and he said to me, I don't know what

18:39

to tell you, he said, you know me. I said,

18:41

did your brother ever dress you up for Halloween

18:43

or what? No? No, no, he knew nothing. A

18:46

couple of months later, Iggy's

18:48

best friend walks into the office.

18:50

He has an article from our Staten

18:52

Island newspaper and the article

18:55

reads, Ebitttsfield's last game

18:57

had Island flavor, and

18:59

in the very center is a

19:01

picture of my husband in

19:04

a white baseball outfit, the

19:06

same picture that his brother

19:09

showed me months before.

19:11

Now, I didn't see the entire group.

19:14

He only showed me Iggy. Iggy

19:16

recognized immediately from what I had told

19:18

him.

19:19

And he comes in.

19:20

Apparently the Staten Island group had

19:22

played in this game. And he comes

19:24

in and he says, to me, this is what Vito showed

19:26

you. I said, Iggy, I didn't see all the boys

19:28

around him. I just saw you in the white outfit.

19:31

I said to him, don't you remember it? He

19:33

said to me, no, he said,

19:35

I don't remember anything about it. So

19:38

I looked and I said to him, when did Vito die?

19:41

This was taken after Vito died, so

19:44

obviously my husband was in shock.

19:46

He's twelve thirteen years old.

19:48

He doesn't remember anything even

19:51

decades later taking this picture.

19:54

So I walked back in my office. He's standing

19:57

with his childhood friend and

19:59

Iiggy's brothers the office waiting for me, and

20:02

he said to me, go back and

20:04

tell my brother to show you my best

20:06

friend, so you'll be hysterical.

20:08

I'm not very polite with these visits. And I turned

20:11

around and I said to him, they were all little boys

20:13

in that picture. I said, what are you telling

20:15

me you're best friend?

20:16

You're a lot older.

20:17

He disappears. I went out and

20:19

I said to him, Iggy Fido just

20:21

said that you're And again, my husband knew

20:23

I always saw things. And he puts

20:25

his glasses on and he points to

20:28

one of the men at the top and he says, yeah.

20:30

He said, this was my brother's best friend.

20:32

He wanted to try to make a match with our cousin.

20:36

So how do you explain. Now you

20:38

spoke about Stanley Kripner. I

20:40

told Stanley this, and as Stanley

20:42

said to me, this is called super

20:44

SI. He said, you have somebody

20:46

from the other side coming to tell

20:48

you and show you a picture of something that happened

20:51

after they died. And that picture

20:53

is not going to show up in a local

20:55

newspaper until a couple of months later.

20:58

It's probably not even an important

21:01

piece. It's a filler. This is

21:03

not really news. This is something that happened

21:05

years ago.

21:06

He said.

21:06

Your mind would have to go to the past, to.

21:09

The future, to the back. He said.

21:11

The easiest explanation is

21:13

that Veto came and spoke to you, And

21:16

of course, unfortunately he never came back

21:18

so that I could.

21:18

Apologize and say to him.

21:20

I'm your sister and Lauren boy, I didn't.

21:22

Give you a great meeting.

21:24

But for those that suffer and

21:26

don't have these experiences, know that

21:28

they're for all of us to understand.

21:30

We don't die. We absolutely

21:33

don't die.

21:34

Those are verifiable bits of information,

21:36

and I am sure that he has forgiven you.

21:39

I wasn't looking, and I give classes for

21:41

a lot of the mediumship places I taught an author

21:43

finlay on dreams.

21:45

But one of the things I don't like to.

21:46

Do is to sit and listen to

21:48

voices, and because there's energy around

21:51

people, so I love the fact that mine

21:53

comes spontaneously. I'm in

21:55

my office mining my own business and

21:57

my brother in law shows up. I'm not

21:59

thinking about him, I'm not looking for him.

22:01

We haven't spoken about him, but he

22:03

gives me such a validating and

22:06

really are non believers. They're not

22:08

going to believe because I tell them something.

22:10

They need to have the experience themselves, which

22:12

is what my therapy is about. People

22:15

will come to meet at a grieving and I

22:17

bring them into dream through what I

22:19

call the lucid waking dreaming stage,

22:21

and that state brings them communication

22:24

from ancestors near and

22:26

far, because we're related

22:28

to everyone, but dreams, dreams

22:31

make us live, and they make us

22:34

move through tragedies, understanding

22:36

that it's just another experience. It's like

22:38

my daughter dying. It was such

22:40

a gift to have her, and I'm

22:42

going to join her. She hasn't gone anywhere

22:45

that I'm not going, but the communication

22:47

from her was amazing the

22:49

same way for my grandfather. And I've been lucky

22:52

because I've had many others. I don't want to

22:54

spend the whole time on them, but it just to

22:56

give people a little sight and hope

22:58

that it is in dreams and not just

23:01

head on the pillow at night, but in waking

23:03

dreams that they can connect.

23:06

Can you give us some things that we

23:08

can do ourselves. I'm fascinated

23:11

by the whole lucid world.

23:13

Let me just compare. There's so much

23:16

evidence of the afterlife out there, but

23:18

to most people, that tipping

23:20

point hasn't occurred. That most people have

23:22

the information, and I think the dream

23:25

world is the same thing people

23:27

go to bed at night. They think of their dreams as

23:29

just what happens. Maybe they remember

23:31

them, maybe they don't. But I also

23:33

think that tipping point can come too

23:36

with how valuable our dream

23:38

world is to so much. But

23:40

I know so many of us want to connect

23:42

with our loved ones. Would you offer

23:45

any tips as to how we could get into

23:47

that lucid world ourselves and know that

23:49

loved ones are with us.

23:51

And first of all, a lot of people think

23:53

that the lucid for the dream

23:56

is at night dreaming and

23:58

being aware that you're dreaming, and that's it's very true,

24:01

but as I've had a communication

24:03

when I taught for the society that studies

24:06

the dreams, and I disagreed

24:08

with them because again, I'm always walking

24:10

the opposite direction of everyone else. But

24:13

for me, it's not just lucidity

24:15

during a night dream. And many

24:17

people can't do that, and that's fine, it's not

24:19

important. But we can have a lucid

24:21

dream one we're awake. A shaman

24:24

has a lucid dream, he's awake,

24:26

he's aware that he's in another state.

24:29

A medium, especially a trance

24:31

medium, is aware that they're in another

24:33

state unless they're so deep in trance

24:36

and then they're not aware, and that one is

24:38

not really the state we want to be in.

24:40

We can do this, and how do we do it?

24:42

All? Right? First of all, I'll start with the night

24:44

dreams, because that's what most people want. You

24:47

don't need to look for a lucid dream

24:49

at night. But when you wake up in the morning,

24:51

if someone is going to work, if someone

24:54

has an appointment at a certain hour and they

24:56

need so much time to get themselves ready, to

24:58

shower, it to take their coffee, whatever it is,

25:01

put your alarm clock on with a

25:03

soft gentle waking like chimes.

25:06

About twenty minutes to a half hour before

25:08

you need to get out of bed, and

25:10

then don't move and

25:12

say to yourself, where was

25:14

I?

25:14

Where was I?

25:15

The Egyptians felt that dream

25:18

was a noun, and the hieroglyphic

25:20

for dream was feet

25:22

and an open eye, an eye that was

25:24

seeing they were going someplace.

25:27

Dream was not a verb. Dream

25:29

was a place and a

25:32

lot of healing that happened during the

25:34

dream, and part of healing one we're

25:36

grieving is connecting with an ancestor who

25:38

passed to show us that they are

25:40

still alive, because our waking

25:43

life contradicts that and says

25:45

that's not true.

25:46

So you're awake, you've.

25:48

Got twenty minutes a half hour you

25:50

ask yourself, where was I,

25:53

what was I doing?

25:55

Who was I with? And

25:58

how do I feel about this?

26:00

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26:02

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26:04

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26:07

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27:29

I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with

27:32

dream expert doctor Janet

27:34

Pete Lato. She recommends

27:36

setting your alarm clock to chimes

27:39

or gentle music twenty minutes

27:41

to half hour before you wake up. Let's

27:44

continue.

27:45

So you're awake, You've got twenty

27:47

minutes a half hour. You asked

27:49

yourself, where was I, what

27:52

was I doing, who was I

27:54

with? And how do I feel?

27:56

About this, and then you say, I

27:59

remember, okay, it's

28:01

fine. Either get a

28:04

tablet or a piece of paper or

28:06

pay it or whatever you want to do. Sit

28:08

up and say to yourself, right

28:10

now, where am I all

28:13

right? For me, I'd say in my grandpa's

28:15

bed. Why, simply because that's what came

28:17

to me. And I'm holding his hand,

28:20

and yeah, what's happening here? My

28:22

mother is off to the side. I'm in the

28:24

family house. This is my

28:26

maternal background, and Grandpa

28:29

is there, and what's happening

28:31

here? Grandpa is transitting

28:33

because the next thing I see, we're

28:35

still in a bedroom, but it's my bedroom

28:38

and Grandpa's sitting on the bed, hugging

28:40

me and talking, how do I

28:42

feel fabulous? Okay,

28:44

so you're going to say you just made that up.

28:47

Yes, I made it up by faculty

28:49

of my imagination, the faculty

28:51

which allows me to make images.

28:54

The image is important.

28:57

Without that, we wouldn't know where to go in the

28:59

morning. We wouldn't even know where we were. People

29:02

that have alpheimis, that's part of the problem. There's

29:04

no connection to these images anymore. They don't

29:06

know anything. When people say to me, it's

29:08

just my imagination. Cut out the just

29:11

and say, yes, it's my imagination and thank

29:13

god I have it because it's the tool that

29:16

allows me.

29:16

Now, what is this telling me?

29:18

Actually it was the perfect example

29:21

because I don't hesitate.

29:23

If you notice, I don't.

29:24

Have to sit here and say, oh, where do I want to be? I

29:26

said, what wanted to come? Grandpa noticed

29:29

I didn't say dying. He transit

29:31

it because we did transit.

29:34

We moved from his bedroom where

29:36

the physical passed into

29:39

the eternal, which was me as

29:41

a little girl sitting on my bed seeing

29:43

my grandfather very much alive communicating

29:47

with me. The dream,

29:49

which I just literally let

29:51

come out of the unconscious, is

29:54

here to say to me there is

29:56

life after passing from the body.

29:58

There's absolutely no question. It's

30:00

giving us the hope in something

30:03

that should come, and it's opening up another

30:05

doorway for me. And that doorway was

30:07

in another dream that I had

30:10

where when I came to the door, there

30:12

was writing, and I knew the writing was the Kabbala,

30:15

but I don't know the Kabbala, and I'm

30:17

Loucid in the dream, and I'm saying I

30:19

wish they would have given me hieroglyphs

30:22

because that's what I was studying. I could

30:24

read hieroglyphs. But then I pushed

30:26

the cock webs away and pushed the door open,

30:29

and a voice from inside literally

30:31

said, we don't die. The

30:34

next day, my husband's

30:36

friend and my friend as well, a

30:39

Jewish man had passed away, and I

30:41

called his wife and I said to her, and that

30:43

dream was for you, because the door had

30:45

the writing of the Kabbala, which

30:47

is from Judaism, I said, And

30:49

the message from Mark was to

30:51

tell you we don't die. So

30:54

notice that from a little girl standing

30:56

by a bed with a grandfather that's

30:59

passing, to a little girl moving

31:02

to sitting on her own bed an

31:04

hour after the incident with the grandfather,

31:07

who now is quite alive and vibrant.

31:10

Sir Isaac Newton, one of the most brilliant

31:12

brains that ever came on the planet, spent

31:15

years decades in alchemy looking

31:18

for the truth. And he wasn't looking to make gold.

31:20

He was looking for the enlightenment of knowing.

31:23

And what is that memory that we've lost. The

31:25

memory is that we think everything

31:28

that's around us is real. The

31:30

truth is nothing around us is real.

31:33

My hard desk that I'm banging on, that's

31:36

going to disintegrate. Someday it's going to fall

31:38

apart. But what I see in

31:41

the imaginal realm is internal,

31:43

which is why we can go past, and

31:45

we can go present, and we can go future, because

31:48

it's all there outside of time and

31:51

connecting like that. So in the morning,

31:54

when you wake up, whether or not you're

31:56

remembering the dream, you do what

31:58

I just did. If you don't remember the dream, what's

32:01

popping into your head?

32:02

Where are you?

32:03

Who?

32:03

You wish?

32:04

What's going on? And how do you feel? And

32:06

you keep on writing, And then of course

32:09

you have to amplify as I did, to say

32:11

what is it making me think of? Where is

32:13

it passing? Even to the door for Judy

32:16

who was my Jewish friend who was to

32:18

lose her husband, and I had the message

32:20

the night before of the kabbala saying

32:23

we don't die. That's one of the

32:25

ways. And I certainly had a

32:27

patient that worked with me. I do complimentary

32:30

medicine. He had cancer,

32:32

but we were working on dreams and he never remembered

32:34

a dream in his whole life. He was in his sixties,

32:37

and I said to him, we're going to do this. I said,

32:39

I'll help you but you have to make up

32:41

a dream every morning when you wake up. And

32:44

for weeks he came, and every

32:46

morning, every time he came, it was a made up dream,

32:48

until one day he came and said to me, I

32:50

didn't make up a dream for today. So I thought, okay,

32:52

Al, that's fine, not a problem. He said,

32:54

no, I actually had one. So that's

32:57

one of the ways that you can begin to

32:59

have a dream. Also, you can dream

33:01

incubate, so that before you go to bed

33:03

at night, sit there and

33:06

if someone just passed, or at somebody's anniversary

33:09

or somebody's birthday, and you say it because you

33:11

miss them, actually work yourself

33:14

up into teas, be emotional about

33:16

it, admit how you feel, and

33:18

then pad it in paper or hand

33:20

to tablet and write down I

33:22

want to dream. I want to connect

33:24

with this person and ask

33:26

them a question and not a yes and no answer,

33:29

something you would like them to help you with in life.

33:32

Show me like I was with my brother

33:34

in law that I had only met twice, to

33:36

say, show me something that's confirming,

33:39

tell me something that'll give me hope,

33:42

and then go to sleep. Now, if

33:44

you have trouble that you think you might not

33:47

remember the dreams. A little hint

33:49

is to me, I drink so much tea every

33:51

day and I'll have two or three cups

33:54

just reading my book at nights, and I don't mind.

33:56

I'm going to wake up during the night to your Nate. And

33:59

one of the things is you wake up, you're

34:01

going to wake up at the tail end of one of those dreams

34:04

and you're going to remember it. And so I've

34:06

been known to write as many as five dreams a night.

34:09

So you can do that if you're willing to wake

34:11

up and record the dreams, that

34:13

will help you. If that's not

34:16

working, we can do the

34:18

waking lucid dream. And

34:20

this is when we do what the Shamans

34:23

do. We dedicate ourselves

34:25

to the harmony of the universe.

34:28

We don't want to see anything that's

34:30

going to be in any way invasive

34:32

to anyone or hurtful to anyone.

34:35

Never then we ask that

34:38

there's a guiding spirit that will be

34:40

with us, and this can show up as

34:42

anything. It could be a grandmother, grandfather,

34:45

could be a relative, dear friend and

34:47

someone that in.

34:48

Our life passed away, but we

34:50

would like to be.

34:52

With them as the guardian who is going

34:54

to pass through the dream gate and

34:56

we can close our eyes and

34:59

let the images wrong. Some people hear

35:01

things, some people will see things, clairvoyant

35:03

audio, voidings, it doesn't matter.

35:06

And then we come up with some sort of

35:08

a question. We're dream incubating. What

35:10

do we want? Maybe we just want

35:12

to see our beloved who passed

35:14

away, our husband, our son, our daughter,

35:17

and we ask that we might be able to

35:19

see them. We close our

35:21

eyes, soft music,

35:24

something that's going to lull us, or just

35:27

the quiet breathing in, breathing out,

35:29

breathing in, breathing out, and

35:31

then asking to be brought

35:34

to a memory, a memory

35:36

of something with the beloved. And

35:39

what we tend to notice is the

35:41

places that we go shift there's

35:44

something in it that we didn't see before.

35:47

Perhaps there's a painting on the wall that

35:49

we don't remember. In the room there's

35:51

another room or a closet that we don't

35:53

remember, or something on a

35:55

table that's there, and we

35:57

begin to communicate in

36:00

our mind. We start a conversation

36:03

sitting at a table of the

36:05

questions or what we wish to say

36:07

to this person that maybe we didn't have

36:09

time to say. I often have people

36:11

grieving and they'll come to me, and

36:14

there was an argument, and somebody

36:16

passed away and they did not have

36:18

the time to put an end to that argument.

36:21

So this is the time to do it. And then they

36:23

come back and they record

36:26

and write everything that they saw because

36:29

there's little details in that

36:31

vision that will give them the answers.

36:34

And often when you're beginning on your own, which

36:36

is why people go to people like me, you

36:38

need somebody to help you. It was called young

36:40

working with people for years, each

36:43

image opens up to something

36:45

else that you didn't think of. So

36:47

that dream that you may wake up,

36:50

or even with the waking time, when

36:52

you're thinking of someone that you want

36:54

to be with, you to go through the gate. You

36:57

imagine a gate or a door,

36:59

maybe the house where this person lived,

37:01

a table where you're going to sit in a conversation.

37:04

You look for all the details of

37:06

things that are in that because

37:09

each one will open up

37:11

to a memory that will tell you something else,

37:13

and all of a sudden you'll be able to say, oh,

37:16

my goodness, I didn't think of that. It's called mnmnieces.

37:19

I didn't remember that. I didn't think of that.

37:21

That makes me feel so good. That shows

37:23

me this person is here. And sometimes

37:26

it's only something little.

37:27

I opened up the.

37:28

Doorway one morning and inside

37:31

there was somebody that I didn't know in

37:33

life, I'd never met, but it was a husband

37:35

of one of my clients. And all

37:37

this person said to me was, my

37:39

name is not and he said the name

37:41

that I knew him by from what his wife said

37:44

my name is. And he gave me something I

37:46

didn't understand. He said, but it's that's

37:48

not my name. And when

37:50

I spoke to her during therapy, I said, I'm

37:53

not quite sure what this means. I wasn't told

37:55

anything else except this

37:57

is not my name. She said, My children don't even

37:59

know that.

38:00

She said.

38:00

He grew up in a society where his

38:03

religion was not accepted, so he

38:05

had to pass himself off as

38:07

a Christian, and so that's why he

38:09

took a Christian name for everybody to know.

38:12

But that was not his name.

38:13

I said, I wish I had more. She said, no, absolutely,

38:15

you're telling me. And again I wasn't

38:17

looking for him. I go through the doorway

38:19

every morning, every night, and during the

38:22

day spontaneously things happen,

38:24

and I know I'm sitting at my computer. I'm quite

38:26

lucid, but I also know my

38:29

consciousness has expanded. It's not

38:31

left my body. I hate that expression out

38:33

of body experience. It's expanded

38:36

body experience. But it's all dream.

38:39

So I tell people, if

38:41

you're not making the dreams at night happen,

38:43

if you're not getting up and making up one

38:45

in the morning and realizing that making

38:48

up that dream like what I just did with

38:50

my grandfather is important and

38:52

perfect for Grandpa to come forward for everybody

38:55

today because that message was for everyone.

38:57

We don't die, and that's the message

38:59

that you give. But if that's not

39:02

what happens, then you have to give

39:04

time to it. It's the via mystica,

39:06

the mystical path. You have to be willing

39:08

to be open, and you have to realize

39:10

that that ridiculous dream that

39:12

seems to be so totally crazy

39:15

is not crazy at will.

39:17

Next, doctor Janet will tell us about

39:20

frightening dreams. Yes, we

39:22

all have nightmares. The first

39:24

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I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with

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40:54

Alatto. Next, she'll talk about

40:56

those duretded nightmares.

40:58

I've had people come with dreams that they've

41:01

been terrified. You usually have a

41:03

frightening dream so that you remember it,

41:05

and then you need to go through the doorways

41:07

to what the dream is actually telling you. And

41:10

the dream may be totally opposite

41:13

of what you think, which most of the time

41:15

it is. The dream is made of images,

41:17

and the image is the key, because

41:20

it's the door. We put that key in and

41:22

we open it and we go somewhere else. I

41:25

was at a funeral that I wrote the

41:27

eulogy for one of my best friends, and

41:30

her mother died when she was like I think,

41:32

six years old. She had an aneurysm.

41:35

So this girl it was a tough life.

41:37

But it was her stepmother that passed

41:39

that I knew, and certainly that this girl

41:42

grew up with. But as she was presenting

41:44

the eulogy for her stepmother, her

41:47

real mother was there and I saw

41:49

the real mother, but this is not the

41:51

real thing. Next to her, there's another

41:54

woman, and this other woman is

41:56

not the woman who died. But she's telling

41:58

me I was second mother. And

42:01

again here I am saying, I know you weren't.

42:03

Irene who died was the second

42:06

mother. We came out of the church and

42:08

I told my friend and she smiled and she

42:10

said to me, you didn't realize that, she

42:13

said, but that was my grandmother. She was

42:15

my second mother. My grandmother took care

42:17

of me for years before my father remarried,

42:19

and I didn't know that. So again,

42:21

these are all substantial to

42:24

tell people. Now I'm sitting in a church

42:26

awake, totally awake. I'd

42:29

be some witness in court, that's for sure.

42:31

They wouldn't be able to look at me and know where

42:33

I was seeing what. But it's all

42:36

to confirm that there is

42:38

a life.

42:38

It is exciting and the commitment has

42:41

to be there. So I love that. I

42:43

love what you say about setting

42:45

the alarm half hour early to nice

42:48

music or chimes or something, because

42:50

I know I've had it and those in between

42:53

moments. But then paying attention

42:55

to the dream if you can, and

42:57

if you didn't have.

42:58

It, we can create created,

43:01

and that the creation is just as important,

43:03

and that's just realize.

43:05

And then we could invite our loved

43:07

one, right and then see

43:10

that gate and walk through it. And how do I

43:12

feel? And I think the most important

43:14

thing that you said to me is

43:17

throw out the word just

43:19

just my imagination. The imagination

43:22

is the key to the gate.

43:24

Oh yes, this is.

43:26

Good, This is real good because everyone

43:29

wants to feel.

43:31

Everyone can.

43:33

I have nothing against mediumship

43:36

where someone will get on a platform

43:38

and give some messages. It helps in grieving,

43:41

but it's a band aid at best

43:43

unless someone has their own experience

43:46

and That's what I'm about. It's about giving

43:48

you your experience. I can

43:50

tell you what I've experienced, but

43:53

I want you to experience your own.

43:55

Which is why all of my work

43:57

on the Vamistica and is at least a

44:00

week that I'm on with classes. It's

44:03

all about people going in

44:05

on their own and having experience

44:07

it then sharing it.

44:08

I often laugh.

44:09

Christina Morgan loves it because she's

44:12

down under and the sun is above and it's

44:14

night for me, and the sun has gone down, and

44:16

I'm saying, no, how well, each one of us we're looking

44:19

and saying the sun has set, the sun has risen.

44:21

The sun doesn't do either. The

44:23

sun is always in its location.

44:26

Our perception makes us

44:28

believe that's what it's doing. Our

44:30

perception is transient and passing

44:33

and not true. So realize

44:35

in life what we think we're seeing is

44:37

an illusion half the time, and what's

44:39

hidden is beneath everything we

44:42

see the same way that when we look.

44:44

I have my tarot cards, and I

44:46

remember when the senior editor look

44:48

the images all put together and said to

44:50

me, every card is filled with all images.

44:52

It's not a typical terot, which

44:55

some people hate because they want a typical

44:57

tarot.

44:57

That's fine, you can use.

44:59

It as But the thing is, I'm filled

45:01

with images because that's what I'm about. The

45:03

one card that only had an onion on it.

45:06

She said to me, maybe you want to change this. I

45:08

said to her, no, absolutely not. I said that card

45:10

is one of the most important because you

45:12

have to peel that onion. It's many layers,

45:15

and it may be sweet or it may be bitter.

45:17

It may make you cry, or

45:19

it may make you remember maybe going out

45:21

to dinner with you beloved and they served

45:23

onion soup and that was one of the times

45:25

when you knew you loved them. In fact, sometimes

45:28

you might look at it, it might be a ball and

45:30

other times, like I remember being at Authur

45:32

Finlay and using that card with a couple

45:34

of people and for one woman, I said to

45:36

her, no, it's an apple. It's the apple

45:39

from the fairy tale from snow White,

45:41

I said, And it's the evil witch and it's

45:44

snow White having to leave home

45:46

because it wasn't safe. I said,

45:48

there was something in your childhood that wasn't

45:50

safe. And she said to me, yeah, my

45:53

father was abusive and she had to

45:55

leave. And of course the card that was

45:57

the onion turned into an apple

45:59

for me, and a rotten apple at

46:01

that brought me a fairy tale.

46:03

And that fairy tale was right on

46:06

for what this woman had a self in her life.

46:08

So you see what I'm saying. That's what I mean by

46:11

an image being doorways. The onion

46:13

brought the door of the apple, the apple

46:15

was rotten, the wicked queen looking

46:18

in the mirror, and then snow white running

46:20

away. It always fit.

46:22

You know how connected we are. Just before

46:25

you started talking about the onion, I

46:27

saw an onion in my mind and started

46:30

peeling it away, and then you start

46:32

talking about the onion card. Perfect

46:35

goosebumps. Connected. Would

46:37

those cards be a good tool when

46:40

we wake up in the morning and we're in this spot

46:42

and if we don't remember our dream,

46:45

to just take a glance at the card.

46:47

Okay, let me stop you for a minute, because

46:49

one of the tools that I do

46:51

recommend is shuffling

46:54

the cards, just randomly

46:56

picking two cards, placing

46:58

them on the side of the bed at night,

47:01

thinking about what it is that you want

47:03

to dream about or who you want to dream

47:05

about, and then taking one

47:07

of the cards, look at the image and

47:10

it's someone with a crow on their back. But there's

47:12

clouds in the sky, but a

47:15

rainbow is about to appear, And

47:17

so it is certainly appropriate

47:20

for anybody who's suffering the loss of a

47:22

beloved. They're sitting on the

47:24

stone in the middle, with the waters

47:27

of the unconscious floating around them,

47:29

the sun and the moon on either side. It's

47:32

cloudy day. They've had losses, and I've had

47:34

people around me now with new losses. But

47:36

it's showing you that there's something

47:39

good coming. There's a rainbow

47:41

in the clouds now. It's the only one that you

47:44

look at. And you go to bed at night,

47:46

and then in the morning you either make up

47:49

the dream, Like I said, where were you, what were

47:51

you doing?

47:51

Who were you with? And how do you feel?

47:54

So in a way, it really is saying go

47:56

into the dream, and the dream

47:58

will help you to survive the tragedies

48:01

of the physical. Because like the sun that

48:04

neither rises nor sets, but gives us

48:06

the illusion of it, so does death

48:09

not be the passing of the great spirit

48:11

of who we are. We're eternal and we

48:13

go to that mansion of millions of years, but we

48:16

don't know that unless we join

48:18

with the dream. Consciousness, And as

48:20

call Young used to say, if all we do is

48:23

look to the waking, rational world, we're

48:25

not awake. So don't we want to be fully

48:27

awake? It's only by going in dream.

48:31

My mom woke up this morning and had a scary

48:33

dream about my dad who's deceased,

48:35

and he was really mad at her

48:37

in the dream. Just because we

48:39

dream, that does not mean our loved ones

48:41

are mad at us. Can you just talk about

48:44

some of the.

48:45

Yes, right, I can share

48:47

a dream that a woman who'd lost her

48:49

husband had and came to me and was

48:51

terrified, so upset. In

48:54

the dream, she's walking down

48:56

a street and suddenly

48:58

there's a tsunami and she's

49:00

caught up in the water of the tsunami.

49:03

If things could not get worse, there's

49:05

a big black bear that's

49:08

trying to get at her from this tsunami.

49:11

It's a dream, So there's a

49:14

telephone booth that she manages to

49:16

get into. The water is swirling

49:18

around her, the bear is banging

49:20

on the door of the booth and

49:22

the phone rings. She picks up the phone

49:25

and it's a deceased husband. He's

49:27

babbling on, not listening to her,

49:29

being frightened all of these

49:32

eyes are on her as though there's

49:34

all these beings around her, and they're just

49:36

smiling, and she's terrified.

49:38

And she finally gets so upset with

49:41

her husband because she's asking him

49:43

for help and he's just

49:45

being nice and kind, and she

49:48

just wants to communicate with her. She

49:50

wakes up terrified, so she brings me

49:52

the stream. She say, it's the worst dream I've

49:54

ever had. I said to her, I have to

49:56

agree with you. It's a superlative dream,

49:59

probably the best stream that you might ever

50:01

have. First of all, the waters

50:04

are the waters of the unconscious. You

50:06

are not knowing how to swim in these waters.

50:08

That's why they are swirling around you

50:11

like a great tsunami. You're getting ready to drown

50:13

in them. But the waters of the unconscious

50:15

are trying to bring you a message,

50:18

and the messenger is that big

50:21

bear. Certainly, in the Native American

50:23

tradition, the bear is

50:25

the healer, and the bear wants to

50:27

heal you. So you get yourself in a box.

50:30

But the box is still a box of communication.

50:34

And all of those eyes that are around

50:36

you are all the eyes of the

50:38

ancestors that really want to help

50:40

you to see listen to

50:42

the communication. They've got you boxed

50:45

in. You're in the waters that are of

50:47

the unconscious, and the communicator wants

50:49

to give you a peaceful message, telling

50:51

you do not be afraid, don't

50:53

worry. I'm here for you. I

50:56

can always communicate. But you're

50:58

so excited and you wake

51:00

up. Now why were you excited and upset

51:03

so that you'd remember that your husband communicated

51:06

with you in the dream, Because otherwise,

51:08

when we have a pleasant dream, there's

51:10

no reason we wake up. But when

51:13

we have a terrifying, frightening, horrifying

51:15

dream, we wake up, and

51:17

that's when we really know something important,

51:20

not necessarily bad, often

51:23

good. And her whole life turned

51:25

around realizing, yes, he

51:27

was able to communicate through that

51:29

dream and through that box

51:31

of communication. So

51:34

your mom's dream, the fact

51:36

that he's trying to communicate and

51:39

that there's anger, first of all, means

51:41

you're going to wake up remembering this. I want to

51:43

shake you up, and second

51:45

of all, I'm here. I

51:47

want to let you know, and you're not

51:49

angry. When you pass over, the

51:52

human emotions like that are gone.

51:55

So I often say in any of the mediums

51:57

that I'm in their circle. Know this that

51:59

if they're present venting somebody that's mad

52:01

over something, angry over something or whatever,

52:04

they're giving the imprint of what that person

52:06

was here not on the other side,

52:08

we all come to manifest

52:11

a certain aspect that's

52:13

important for the balance of the universe,

52:15

and everything has to be here so

52:18

those of us who've come to carry

52:20

our weight of sorrows are balanced

52:22

by those who have the joys.

52:24

I look and say, every time I cry, someone

52:27

else is going to smile and laugh.

52:30

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52:37

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52:42

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