In this episode recorded just before the US government shutdown of 2018-19, hosts Dr. Katie Mack and Dr. Madhusudan Katti interview Dr. Rob Dunn, in a conversation that ranged from climate change to space exploration, from the biodiversity in rainforests to that living with us in in our homes, from microbes in our shower heads to those on the space station, and perhaps even on the Voyager spacecrafts! Hope you enjoy it, and Madhu's poor voice recovering from the cold is not too distracting. 

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