1:40

happens

2:01

after our bodies die. So what

2:03

happens after we die is we sort

2:05

of flip out of the physical and we

2:08

go home. We go back

2:10

to that sea of pure love.

2:13

We are these conscious thought forms,

2:15

these energetic beings, and we

2:17

go back to that wonderful land of pure love

2:19

where we all hope for it here in this

2:22

life. But this place is, this

2:24

is for challenges. This is for

2:26

us to really dig deep. While

2:29

we're living here, get back to that mindset

2:32

of that eternal being that we are.

2:34

Let's jump into your story. You're a retired

2:36

firefighter

2:38

and you have a very interesting story

2:40

that happened. I think it was in the early 90s. Share

2:42

with us

2:43

what happened to you. I had what's

2:45

called a near-death experience. And going

2:48

off of your first question there, the consensus

2:50

is, or the big researchers is that if you

2:52

really want to know what's going on in the universe

2:55

and what you're about, talk to the near-death

2:57

experiencers, the shamanic medicine people,

3:00

and the people who can get into that deep

3:03

meditative state like a trance where

3:05

your body feels like a pile of rocks and you're

3:08

just pouring into someplace else. And

3:10

what that's all about is realizing that

3:12

this is a temporary gig. The people

3:14

that we believe we are, that we

3:16

are these eternal beings. The first one

3:19

on the list there was the NDE and that

3:21

happened to me in 1994. I

3:24

was working for the Santa Barbara County Fire

3:26

Department. I drove a fire engine. We

3:28

went to a really sick patient and

3:31

I got what she got. We got her to

3:33

the hospital and everything turned out good

3:35

for her. And a few days later, I was on

3:38

days off and I was slowly

3:40

getting super sick. And

3:43

by the third day, I was,

3:45

you know, it was life-threatening. I

3:47

had a really fast pulse. I

3:50

couldn't get out of bed and I was super dehydrated.

3:53

My blood pressure was tanking and

3:55

I knew enough to call for help and,

3:58

you know, fire department. And my

4:00

family got me into an ambulance,

4:03

got some IVs, got me to an

4:05

emergency room. And I came into that emergency

4:07

room on my knees physically

4:10

and some things happened. And

4:12

if you listen to a lot of these near-death experiences, these

4:15

things that happen in hospitals and stuff,

4:17

they're pretty common. It's not

4:20

that people are dumb, it's a thin line

4:22

being here and not being here. And things

4:25

happen. So I was in the hospital

4:27

and this was a serious flu, we

4:31

didn't have pandemics or epidemics

4:33

or whatever back then. We just called it

4:35

a serious flu season. And so the

4:37

place was full of people and kids

4:40

and a lot of people had this same flu. In

4:42

fact, the whole Western United States, there's

4:44

a number of NDEers that in 94,

4:47

they got this bug that

4:49

was really powerful and created

4:51

an NDE for them. There was a mistake made,

4:53

a medication was pushed really fast

4:56

and I just tanked. I just bottomed

4:58

out and fell back on the gurney

5:00

that I was on. And my wife said that

5:03

your eyes rolled back and the medical

5:06

staff got really freaked out. And so

5:08

they came in and they gave you Narcan

5:11

because part of the drugs they gave you was a

5:13

newbain, was a synthetic morphine. And

5:15

so they Narcanzhu, which gobbles up any

5:17

opiates. And she wrote

5:20

down three times they Narcanzhu on five

5:23

and 10 minute intervals. And I wasn't

5:25

coming back, she said the highest blood pressure

5:27

she saw was 40 over zero and

5:29

they kept the IVs going, got the

5:31

head down position and rolled me up to

5:34

intensive care. And

5:36

I didn't know any of this, she filled me in the

5:39

next day. But sometime during

5:41

that night, I left my body. I

5:44

left Bill and I was

5:46

flying through this sea of stars.

5:50

It was just this star filled

5:52

dimension. And that's

5:54

all I could call them for years was,

5:57

we're stars, it seems like I was in space.

6:01

And they were multicolored and energetic,

6:04

and there was emotions coming off them, and

6:06

slow and music, and it was this

6:09

welcoming. I was being paraded through these

6:12

stars, and it was

6:14

just a welcome home. And I

6:16

just felt amazing. I felt just loved

6:19

and accepted and joyful. Everything

6:21

that we have here on Earth, the

6:23

bottom half of us, the low vibrational

6:26

half, things like anger

6:28

and jealousy and all

6:31

these emotions, they don't

6:33

exist there. They were not part

6:36

of anything that I had going on,

6:38

and I was just this

6:40

euphoric. What do you mean they don't

6:42

exist? Did they just not come to your field

6:45

of consciousness, or how did you

6:47

decipher that they don't even exist

6:49

there? They couldn't come into

6:52

your thoughts. Yeah, they're not part of

6:54

the spectrum of frequencies

6:57

that exist in

6:59

that pure love universe.

7:02

Those things, from what I can gather,

7:04

those things only exist here, and

7:07

this is the hardest step. There's

7:10

many dimensions, many planes,

7:13

many planets. We have a lot

7:15

of ways of explaining this, but yeah, this is

7:17

the hardest one, because we take on this

7:19

form, and through our lives

7:21

we develop this

7:23

programmed bias of what

7:26

the world's about, what I'm about, what that

7:28

guy over there is about, and these emotions

7:30

just run freely. But if you look at the procession

7:33

of the equinox, this 24,000

7:35

year cycle, where we have a golden

7:37

age and a silver age and a bronze age, and

7:41

we are at the bottom, we've just come out of

7:43

the bottom of an iron age where

7:45

it's harsh, these are

7:47

harsh emotions. That's

7:51

the real universe, is emotions. Our

7:54

emotional state, our emotional choices, our

7:56

intentions, what we manifest with our

7:58

thoughts. That's the real universe. and this

8:01

physical universe is kind of an amusement

8:04

park. It's fun to come in here and to pretend

8:06

to be these guys, you know, and have

8:09

all these adventures. And, you

8:11

know, we never die, but part of the heaviness

8:13

of this place is that we do die. And,

8:16

you know, we say goodbye to our current character,

8:18

our current puppet. And

8:21

it all depends on how well

8:23

we understand who

8:26

we really are, as far as letting go

8:28

of this place when it's our time, the NDE

8:31

and those shamanic things and that deep meditation.

8:34

That's where that letting go part comes

8:36

in because you know you don't die. You

8:38

know what this is. So when somebody steals

8:40

your parking space or cuts you off in line or

8:43

even at a game, you know, some drunk guy

8:45

pushes you, you know, and takes a swing at you, you

8:47

just go, oh, wow, this is cool. All

8:50

right, you know, I don't want to make his day any worse

8:52

because he's obviously very, you know, unhappy.

8:56

And you can just do all those things that,

8:58

you know, are in those great teachings,

9:00

you know, with Buddha and Jesus and... Yep,

9:03

yep. One of my favorite quotes from

9:05

a guru, and his name was actually

9:08

funny, Steve Jobs, his guru, it

9:10

was named Paramahansa Yogananda.

9:13

And he wrote a book that Steve Jobs

9:16

actually passed out to everyone, he didn't

9:18

pass it out because he had graduated,

9:20

he had died, but he made sure everybody

9:22

at his funeral got this one book and the

9:24

book was autobiography of a yogi. And

9:27

Yogananda, amongst other very,

9:30

I think, awakened beings has said, consider

9:33

this world a dream, consider

9:36

it a dream and be done with

9:38

it, you know, like just think of it as a dream

9:41

and do your dance, but

9:43

wake up in the dream. There you

9:45

go. And you, you had a direct

9:48

experience. See,

9:50

a lot of people, we have the intellectual

9:52

experience, you know, a lot of people, we

9:55

go to the temples that we read scripture

9:58

and, you know, we listen to the...

10:00

Buddha or whatever but

10:04

you actually went there. Keep going

10:06

continue. This is fascinating. Yeah

10:08

it's cool. You and I are on the same

10:11

wavelength my friend. I had felt like

10:13

I had been trapped in a hot dark

10:15

stuffy closet. I was held there against

10:19

my will and that I

10:21

had been released from it and I

10:23

was this huge expanded

10:25

balloon. This huge expanded cloud.

10:28

It seemed like I went on forever and

10:31

it was just this state of euphoria

10:34

and ecstasy. It

10:36

felt like somebody was pouring honey all

10:38

over my brain and it was running down through

10:41

all my nerves and all my sensations

10:43

and it was like everything was being tickled

10:45

and I was giggling. Every cell in me

10:48

was giggling. I heard an NDE lady

10:51

say all myself were giggling and

10:53

I'm like oh yeah she's got that and

10:55

they were all just they were just stoked. Just

10:57

absolutely stoked and as I was flying

11:00

along looking at all these stars going oh

11:02

man this is so cool to be back

11:05

with whoever I'm back with and it

11:08

takes a little while to sort these things out and

11:10

as I was flying along it was like it kept

11:12

coming up. How in the world did

11:15

I forget who I really was? It

11:17

was such a excellent

11:20

trick. I was completely fooled

11:23

and we are such amazing beings.

11:25

We are these incredible expanded

11:28

beings and I wasn't

11:31

somebody who could be fooled with in my opinion

11:33

because I felt like I knew everything.

11:36

Cruising along if I thought about any subject

11:39

it just came up like super

11:41

fast pages going by with

11:44

all this information and most of

11:46

it was math. Most of it was geometry

11:48

and mathematical equations. So

11:50

yeah and you hear about the Akashic records and

11:53

how we can access that and

11:55

I've come to realize that's what that was. That

11:58

you had this full. access

12:00

to this incredible database of

12:03

knowledge from all these other infinite

12:05

number of lives that everyone's had. Can you simplify

12:07

that for anybody who doesn't know what that is,

12:09

the Akashic Records, what is that? Apparently

12:12

that is all information about

12:15

our life, every life that's ever lived, everything

12:17

that's ever happened on this planet, every question

12:19

you could ever have is stored in

12:21

these Akashic Records which is etched

12:24

onto the sky

12:26

of time. It's part of the ethereal

12:28

plane. On the other side, we have complete

12:31

access to it. That's what I was experiencing. And

12:34

it's all information, all information about

12:36

all lives and all happenings

12:38

here. I don't know if that goes

12:40

out into the universe. You know, that would be quite

12:44

a database.

12:46

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12:49

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Amazing, it reminds me of like that

15:23

I think it was the Indiana Jones

15:26

I think it will know it maybe it was some other sci-fi

15:28

movie he was a villain and

15:30

he wanted to he had this skull

15:33

and he wanted to to get all of

15:35

the information

15:37

from the skull or you know and

15:39

then it was just so much that he actually exploded

15:41

it was just so so when you tell

15:44

me about everything that all the information

15:46

that's ever that exists in

15:49

the universe having access

15:51

to that yet I don't think the

15:53

human form obviously couldn't take

15:56

that

15:57

we need filters but as you

15:59

as you kind of

16:02

were I guess in this spirit

16:04

would you call it spirit form?

16:06

Yes I would.

16:07

Yeah

16:08

you were able to to

16:11

access it. Oh yeah it was right there

16:13

it was part of your you know mentation.

16:16

Wow. So as I was thinking

16:18

about these things and the Kashuk Records

16:21

and I was flying along and how

16:23

did I forget who I really was that kind of went

16:25

into how is

16:27

it that I was tricked into believing I

16:29

was this dude this guy this

16:31

single this separate this ego

16:35

with this whole list of bias

16:37

of you know what's right what's wrong who am

16:39

I what am I about what's my future all

16:42

those things were a giant illusion

16:45

it was a really well done trick

16:48

or a game or a joke

16:50

that we play on ourselves and it wasn't

16:53

serious at all all

16:55

the emotions that we carry you know the

16:57

pain from past relationships

17:00

and the loss and all that all

17:02

of it falls away in my case

17:05

it fell away immediately and it was like oh

17:07

man that was a really good

17:09

trick so yeah I was flying along

17:11

and I was just chuckling about all this and

17:13

thinking man that was that was really

17:15

something and and trying to sort out where

17:18

I sit back in to

17:20

this big picture and then all of a sudden

17:22

I landed just like I went from physical bill

17:25

into this huge expanded cloud

17:27

of awareness and now I landed

17:29

in a different place a different mention

17:32

another plane and it was a solid place

17:35

it was like a medical

17:37

facility or a clinic and

17:39

there were beds there and it had lighting

17:42

indirect lighting there was equipment there

17:46

and there were beings there right

17:48

in front of me there were these three little

17:51

guys bouncing around smiling broadly

17:53

and they were overjoyed to see

17:56

me they were giggling and I

17:58

was just looking at him like what? just

18:00

happened and where

18:02

am I now? And they were

18:04

smiling from ear to ear and they were these short little

18:07

squatty guys and they were

18:09

dark in skin and kind of wrinkly

18:12

and they had hoods and they

18:14

were fun loving and joyful

18:17

and playful, almost

18:19

mischievous. They looked exactly

18:21

like those guys in the

18:23

movie Communion. I know that's

18:26

considered a horror movie and if

18:28

you turn the sound off and watch

18:30

that movie, those guys never do anything horrible.

18:33

They're bouncing around with Christopher Walken,

18:35

you know, and they're high fiveing him and

18:37

joking with him and there's kids in

18:39

this facility in this movie and they're

18:41

taking care of these kids. That's a very profound

18:44

scene in that movie Communion

18:47

for me and people around

18:50

the world are writing to me and they're saying, oh God,

18:52

thanks for doing this. I saw

18:54

these all the time as a kid and I

18:56

didn't know what to make of it or I buried

18:58

it or my grandmother said

19:01

they were standing around, three of them were standing

19:03

around her bed giggling as she, you

19:05

know, before she passed. I feel pretty good about

19:07

talking about it. When I first started, it's like, oh

19:09

man, this is it. Your social

19:12

status is going to drop. Yeah,

19:14

it's helping people. Not everybody has

19:17

a memory of perceiving them, but

19:19

I think everybody has these

19:22

orderlies, these guides, helpers,

19:24

angels that are following us and

19:27

making sure we hit our marks in our

19:29

lives because, you know, it's all we planned

19:32

it all. It's all scripted. This is where I think

19:34

alien abduction comes in. You know, we

19:36

get pulled away, some energetic

19:38

form of us gets pulled away and worked

19:41

on and then put back

19:43

in the body and this is miraculous healings

19:45

and things like that. You

19:47

know, we wake up sometimes and our mind is completely

19:50

changed on a subject and I think that

19:52

those things happen and they're sitting

19:54

there and they're bouncing around and giggling

19:57

and they're saying things like, how was it? What

19:59

did you like? learn? What can you

20:01

tell us? And I was really

20:03

confused. And one of them came forward

20:06

and gave me a good going

20:08

over, checked me out and turned to the other

20:10

two and said in a high pitched kind

20:13

of munchkin voice, he doesn't

20:16

remember us. And they all started giggling

20:18

uproariously. And I

20:21

do kind of remember them for this. When I

20:23

was a kid, I would, at

20:25

that edge of sleep where you're coming

20:27

from dreaming and sleeping

20:29

and waking. That is the doorway to

20:32

the divine is that sleepy

20:34

place just as we're waking up. And

20:37

I do remember that my wife even said, who are

20:39

you talking to in the morning? I

20:43

wouldn't be back yet. And I'd be giggling.

20:45

It's like somebody was tickling me. And when

20:49

we first got married, she was like, what is going

20:51

on with you? And I'm like, Oh, I don't know.

20:53

There's this like playful puppies

20:55

are all around me and they're having

20:57

fun. They're very playful and joyful. They

21:00

were pretty cool. And they were having a good old

21:02

time. And then there was this guy in the background.

21:04

Just real quick, like, because this

21:06

is blowing my mind. So they have

21:08

physical a physical form. Yes,

21:11

they had a physical appearance. Okay.

21:15

Appears. Wow. Okay. And how tall

21:18

or is that?

21:19

Was that even capable

21:21

of being

21:22

understood like their height when you say they were

21:24

shorter? Yeah,

21:25

they were short. They were like four feet tall. Yeah,

21:27

they were cool. They're kind of clumsy. They kind

21:29

of, you know, they're kind of bouncing

21:32

around and bumping into each other and things like

21:34

that. And you and yourself,

21:37

you didn't have a whole. I don't

21:39

know what I was. I really

21:41

don't. And you know, we can all understand

21:43

this. We go through our daily

21:45

jobs and stuff. And we don't really look down

21:48

and check this. We

21:50

don't, we just we just know we're there and everything's

21:53

where it should be.

21:55

But I you know, I use terms like I

21:58

saw this, I said that and. And it

22:00

was a seamless transition to that

22:02

other side. And of course,

22:04

I wasn't seeing things because I didn't have physical

22:07

eyes, and I wasn't saying things because

22:09

I didn't have a mouth and vocal

22:11

cords and burping out these sounds

22:14

that we all have agreed that, okay, this means

22:16

that. But it was a dishonest

22:19

exchange. And that's, you

22:22

know, I've had a lot of experiences. And it's always

22:24

an honest exchange, a

22:27

genuine authentic exchange. And

22:30

that's what the other side is. That's

22:32

why it's so enjoyable because everything is

22:34

absolutely authentic and genuine. There's no hiding

22:36

it. We hide it here because we have these

22:39

bodies with like a projector, you know, we set

22:41

it up in front of us. And some of us are really

22:43

good at it. We become lawyers and CEOs.

22:47

I love the word person comes from

22:50

the Greek word persona,

22:51

meaning mask. We wear these masks,

22:54

don't we? We make them look good,

22:56

but it's not us.

22:57

It's not us. And

23:00

as you were talking, I remember this story of

23:02

when I was a kid, I would listen, this is

23:04

real quick. I would look into the mirror and I don't

23:06

know how old I was. I was super young, but

23:08

I would look into the mirror and I would

23:11

say, who is that? That's

23:13

not me.

23:14

A

23:16

lot of people do that.

23:19

You know, it's not everybody, but there's a lot of

23:22

advanced souls, old souls that

23:25

are having that issue of identity.

23:28

You got to put yourself in there, Prince. Just the work you're

23:30

drawn to do is this old soul work in

23:32

these times. This is a very

23:35

divine calling. And I was doing my NDE

23:37

talks, you know, seven or eight years ago, I started

23:39

in, and I knew all the NDEs, a few

23:41

dozen of them. There was a few groups that you spoke

23:43

to, but the last year,

23:46

year and a half, is a completely crazy.

23:49

There are hundreds of sites

23:51

and there are thousands of people coming forward

23:53

saying, yeah, that happened to me. And they tell their story.

23:56

I think humanity is going to, you know,

23:58

this is the...

23:59

the turn from bottoming out and

24:02

we're going into and back to an enlightened

24:04

state and humanity is going

24:06

to slowly climb

24:09

back to this awareness that

24:11

we you know we are these temporary

24:13

beings that we're pretending

24:15

to be and everybody just does their best because

24:18

energetically you know in the future energetically

24:21

everything's there for everyone else to see so the

24:24

politicians and lawyers

24:26

are going to be out of work along

24:28

with you know along with the courts and the jails

24:30

and the cops all that stuff will disappear mostly

24:33

because it's uh you know we can't lie

24:35

our energy gives us away you can

24:38

read it wow

24:40

you know i was just this is real quick when i was watching

24:42

this guy give a talk and i loved his talk and

24:45

i loved him and but when

24:47

he was telling a story he was telling

24:50

a story about solving all these crimes and stuff

24:52

but this huge uh and

24:55

i would go to these meetings because the energy is so

24:57

good in the room you know

24:59

that creates a vortex when all these people are

25:01

at their best intentions it

25:04

brings the divine into the room so yeah

25:06

i would sit there and i'd watch the colors in the room and

25:08

i watched things come off people's heads and stuff

25:11

but he's he was up against this

25:13

uh flat wall behind him it was a brown wall

25:16

and all of a sudden this giant form

25:18

like a michelin tire man you know this

25:21

big bulky looking like snowman

25:24

thing appeared on the wall behind him and

25:27

it was dancing around and it was green and

25:30

it had this yellow like a lightning

25:32

bolt streaking down and and going

25:35

out on the arms and legs and it was

25:37

this giant 10 foot thing and he was telling

25:39

this story about how you know the cops couldn't figure this

25:41

out and he he came in and saved the day

25:43

and you know any of us can say anything

25:46

but his energy was telling you know that

25:48

is you know that yellow streak you

25:50

know my grandmother would say oh he's got a yellow streak

25:52

down his back and that

25:54

means that it's a cow he's behaving cowardly

25:57

or he's being dishonest

26:01

or deceitful. You know, it just went

26:03

on for months afterwards. You know, I told him

26:05

about it and he got really nervous. He goes, oh, I've

26:07

heard that before. He goes, that's really bad and he wouldn't talk

26:09

to me and I'm like, oh wow. It

26:11

looked really cool and then

26:14

months later I read this thing with Edgar Casey and

26:16

he said, when you have that yellow streak

26:18

of lightning energy shooting

26:20

through this green body, that is a deceitful

26:23

energy. It's not that he was

26:25

a bad guy or anything but at that moment he

26:28

wasn't telling the truth. I think that's what the world

26:31

will see each other in the future.

26:34

Energetically. Right.

26:36

Wow.

26:37

But it doesn't happen all the time so people can,

26:40

you know, if you see me, don't worry. I'm not

26:42

looking into your soul. I think things

26:46

like that just happen so that I'll talk

26:49

about them and then people will

26:51

think about it and then they'll

26:54

say, you know, I saw this thing around my

26:56

mom or something and, you know,

26:58

this light and I didn't understand it and it's

27:00

like that's what's going on as the frequency

27:02

of the planet increases. We got

27:05

names for that, global warming, whatever, but

27:09

if the frequency is going up and

27:11

it's gonna be cool and we just have to

27:13

adapt and go with it and we'll be fine.

27:17

She continued to choose love and

27:20

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All right, so you're

28:06

you're in this room, you see the

28:08

three beings. Tell me what happens next.

28:11

The three beings are there and they're bouncing around.

28:13

And then there was this tall guy

28:15

and he was kind of in the background. He was tall

28:18

and wispy.

28:19

He

28:20

called him like a trimmed down Gumby

28:22

or walking stick insect or 100

28:25

different things. But the most

28:28

closest thing was he was like a swirling

28:31

tornado. If you took a glass of water and

28:34

spun it really fast and then watch that swirl

28:36

that goes from the top all the way to the bottom and it kind

28:38

of dances, you know, and it's that's

28:41

what he looked like. And he

28:43

had this big smile on his face. And

28:46

it looked like he was to me it looked like

28:48

he was underwater. And as he came forward,

28:50

swirls parts of him would separate

28:53

and move first, the top would move first and

28:55

bottom would catch up. It was like this swirling

28:58

little, you know, dust devil or fire

29:02

world. There's a lot of these vortexes

29:04

in our world, we have different names for them. And,

29:07

you know, energetic vortexes. And

29:09

that's what he looked like. He looked like a spinning little

29:11

mini tornado. And the

29:14

what was coming off of him was just absolute.

29:16

I mean, he adored me. He just loved

29:18

me. He was letting me somewhat

29:20

get my sea legs, you know, as I was talking

29:22

to these guys, and then he came forward

29:25

and big smile on his face and chuckle.

29:28

It was like a favorite uncle was in the

29:30

room suddenly. And as he came

29:32

forward, it's just his

29:35

energy just really overpowered

29:38

me, my chest started to expand

29:41

like it was going to pop. And my throat

29:43

was constricting. And I felt like I was

29:45

going to break down in uncontrollable

29:48

crying on my knees from

29:50

love. There was so

29:52

much love coming from

29:55

this guy that it was

29:57

paralyzing. It was overwhelming. And

30:00

I just loved it and he came forward. Obviously

30:03

he was in charge of a lot of things,

30:06

that place and everybody's place in it.

30:09

And as he came forward, he was the coolest

30:11

guy. He just kept kind of chuckling.

30:14

And every time he laughed,

30:16

I could feel his laughter

30:19

inside me, inside my heart. I

30:21

could feel this chuckling. And

30:24

he loved me absolutely unconditionally.

30:27

I was like a toddler

30:29

to him. I was like a child and he

30:32

was like a father. He came forward

30:34

and he went back and forth with

30:36

a few things. And after a while

30:38

I was like, okay, well,

30:41

I'm in a clinic somewhere and I don't

30:43

need to stay here. There's a big, beautiful

30:46

universe out there. I just was there a second

30:48

ago. So I said, okay,

30:50

you guys, I'm

30:53

never going back to Bill, ever.

30:56

I'm not going back there. And

30:58

eventually I'm gonna leave this facility,

31:01

whatever it is. So what's

31:03

next? Do we do a review of my life? Would

31:07

you guys like to get started with that? And

31:11

he just cracked up. He thought

31:14

that was hysterical that this little toddler

31:17

was trying to take over. And

31:20

anybody who has kids knows exactly

31:22

what I'm talking about. They

31:24

hit a certain age and it's like, well, let's

31:27

do this, dad. So he was cool

31:30

father and he just started, he just was

31:32

chuckling. And then he said, sure, sure,

31:34

let's do that. How do you wanna start?

31:36

I kind of started, but I was like, wow, I

31:38

won that one. So I started telling stories

31:41

about different things with

31:43

my wife and it wasn't a real

31:45

life review. I wasn't looking at things

31:48

in the past. I wasn't evaluating

31:52

the profound effect that I've had on others

31:54

or what my words, how they harmed others.

31:57

It wasn't all those things that people talk about.

31:59

It was kind of like, in have a a fake review

32:01

of my life and it kind of humor

32:04

me an e i talked

32:06

about a few things no big regrets and

32:08

then right in the middle of one of them he just

32:10

says okay that's enough time to go

32:12

back and i was like go

32:15

back oh lord

32:17

of like to no way i there's no

32:19

way and ozil most like

32:21

you don't understand it is super

32:24

elite ruff down

32:26

there and i heard of credible

32:28

life or one big it at everything and

32:30

you know family and career and wife

32:32

and i didn't have a rough life at all

32:35

but be to be saddled with

32:37

the emotions the energies of this

32:39

plane is incredibly

32:42

pressing for us so yeah i

32:44

pleaded with him and and

32:46

he goes now you have to go back and

32:49

you got things to do and they're important

32:51

in i tried a few more things and he said

32:53

okay time to go back and

32:55

he came forward and you know from

32:58

his intense i felt the place

33:00

just starting to dissolve started

33:02

to break up and he

33:04

started to turn into

33:07

have missed and i just sort

33:09

of dropped away from that

33:11

dimension i left that saddle

33:14

and oh by my consciousness

33:16

whatever it was dropping and

33:18

frequency rapidly

33:20

like devastatingly and

33:23

i was dropping back down to the

33:25

know the earth realm thing i remember

33:28

was i was somewhere near my body ready

33:30

to get back near my body and it was a really

33:32

crushing place it was lonely

33:35

and it was dismal and

33:38

it was full of fear

33:40

and nothing like

33:42

where i just spent the to other dimensions

33:45

are realms there was nothing

33:48

comparable to either the

33:50

realm that that's right next to where we are

33:52

in the physical either that was it or

33:54

it was reemerging into

33:56

the energy of bill and of

34:00

those toxic memories or things

34:02

that he carried and

34:05

you know all those things fear and

34:07

guilt and anxiety and all those things

34:09

that are human all those things

34:11

just came pouring back into my awareness

34:14

and it was a really horrible

34:16

feeling to be back in that. So

34:19

yeah I just want to let everybody know that when we

34:22

pass we drop all

34:24

of it behind it's not believable

34:27

but we do we leave all of it behind and it

34:29

doesn't mean anything it's all just a game

34:31

it's all just a joke. So yeah I was back in my body

34:33

and I slowly woke up that you

34:36

know the blood pressure machine would squeeze

34:38

my arm and I'd wake up and I'd see different numbers and

34:40

it went over a few

34:42

hours I saw everything increasing improving

34:45

and I was kind of sitting up looking around

34:47

and a nurse walked by and she was shocked she's

34:49

like you're awake and I

34:52

said yes I am and I need

34:54

to talk to you and she said we didn't know

34:56

what was happening to you we had

34:58

no idea why you were so close

35:00

to not coming back and she

35:03

said I have to go find the doctor he's gonna

35:05

be stoked you're oh you know you come back

35:07

and I said okay you can go get the doctor

35:09

but first what am I doing back here

35:13

I was pissed and

35:16

I said I was home I was

35:18

home with my best bros how

35:21

in the world did I get back here and

35:25

I said I was I had

35:27

bought the farm and I

35:29

was convinced of it there was no doubt I

35:32

was dead and she said

35:34

honey you've been in escrow but

35:37

you fell out of escrow and now you're

35:39

back with us and you

35:41

need to get your head around that and

35:44

you know she looked me right in the eye and that

35:46

was a really good thing to hear because

35:49

I didn't keep running off into that fit

35:52

of despair she gave me an order

35:54

and she grounded me

35:57

and that with a lot of indie ears

35:59

you

36:00

if you talk to NDE, a lot of them will tell you I

36:03

was in this funk

36:05

for months, years, some people

36:07

say decades, you know, it

36:10

leads to addiction and you know

36:12

you're just trying to escape the

36:15

heaviness of this place because you

36:17

know there's something way better

36:19

out there and you

36:21

just want to go back.

36:23

Anyway, I, you know, the doctor came and I'm

36:25

just like, all this stuff, oh this

36:27

happened, this guy, I told everybody,

36:29

my parents came and everybody thought

36:32

I'd lost it but I

36:35

felt that was what I was supposed to do and

36:37

when I got back to work, all

36:39

the guys were like, hey I heard you had something, all

36:41

the fire guys, they were like, I heard

36:43

you had something really cool happen and

36:45

I tell them everything I just told you, especially

36:48

the religious guys, they wanted to hear there was a

36:50

guy with a beard and long robes and

36:52

harps and everything was wonderful

36:55

and when they didn't hear that, it

36:57

was upsetting to them and they're

36:59

like, well that dude's crazy. You

37:03

know what's interesting, this guy wrote a comment

37:05

in one of those videos and he said what

37:08

Bill went to was right out

37:10

of Hinduism and

37:12

there is a laughing king that

37:15

he met with and he had a name, this is

37:17

all in Hinduism after we die and

37:20

there are these three little funny

37:22

clumsy guys that are little dumpy

37:24

guys, this is a big part of the Hindu

37:27

beliefs in the afterlife and

37:30

I thought that was a really good comment that was, because

37:33

that's what I saw, I'm just being, that's

37:36

all I've ever done is spend complete honest

37:38

recall of what I experienced

37:40

and there's clues out

37:43

there that this isn't, and

37:45

this isn't one old guy's dream.

37:50

After a while I stopped talking about it because the fire

37:53

department's like, we can't have our firemen

37:56

sounding like lunatics, so

37:58

you want to button it up and

38:01

so I zipped it for like 15 years.

38:04

When I retired, I started something

38:07

drew me to go look for answers.

38:09

So that's a whole other thing.

38:12

Wow.

38:13

Yeah, there's you know,

38:15

you said so much.

38:18

Thank you for sharing that. You know, I have

38:20

I haven't had an experience like yours,

38:23

but I've been a researcher.

38:25

And I know if people do think that,

38:28

you know, you sound crazy or we sound crazy.

38:30

There's there's tons of studies,

38:33

empirical studies that they can research

38:35

and just look for it. There's a book by Ian

38:37

Stevenson, I believe, children

38:39

who remember previous lives. There's

38:42

statistical evidence of

38:44

things like this. So you know, the

38:47

human ego sometimes is tough

38:49

to the human ego wants

38:51

to it wants to survive,

38:54

you know, it wants to wants this to be,

38:56

it's hard to open its mind to

38:58

love, I guess you could you could say. And

39:02

I think the story

39:04

that you share is so

39:06

powerful. And you

39:09

just mentioned the comment of the Hindu

39:11

tradition. And one thing that popped up

39:13

into my mind when you were speaking, I was wondering

39:16

if you held any religious

39:19

beliefs prior to your

39:21

experience? And if you hold any after

39:24

your experience?

39:26

Yeah, I was raised Catholic.

39:28

And there's a lot of guilt and

39:31

shame associated with that. And

39:33

when you start making your own decisions, you know, you become

39:36

a teen, and I just kind

39:38

of pulled away from it. And I tried

39:40

to during college and stuff, people would take

39:43

me to Christian gatherings. And

39:45

none of it really fit where it fit

39:47

was in nature.

39:50

And that's why I, you know, became

39:52

like a forest ranger and a forester.

39:55

And I just wanted to be out in

39:58

a natural world. There's a lot of answers. in

40:00

the natural world for anybody looking.

40:03

And you get your bare feet on

40:05

that magnetic mother earth and

40:08

you look to the sun, you know, the

40:10

source of all energy, the great spirit.

40:12

And between those two, they connect. This

40:15

is why plants are so prevalent.

40:18

They've got their roots in the ground and their

40:20

leaves reaching up to the

40:22

great spirit, the source energy. Yeah.

40:25

And everything comes together when you get back

40:28

in nature and all these, you know, a

40:30

lot of indie ears, they find themselves in

40:32

this credible valley with water

40:34

flowing and trees and, you know,

40:36

the grass is alive and it's tickling

40:38

their feet. And, you know, as

40:41

above, so below, this is part of creation.

40:43

We are part of creation. And so

40:46

as far as the second part of your question,

40:48

what do I do now with religion?

40:51

And I think all of them, all

40:53

of them are part of

40:56

what I think and people, humanity is

40:58

trying its hardest to understand

41:00

this very profound

41:02

predicament we are in, this

41:06

human existence. And

41:08

they're trying their best. And, you

41:10

know, we are imperfect beings. And if

41:13

you and I were given a billion dollars to

41:15

start a world religion, I'd have it screwed

41:17

up before lunch. I'd

41:21

be saying we all gotta have, we all gotta own

41:23

two dogs or you're not in a religion. Yeah,

41:26

that's what I think has happened.

41:29

You get this blank slate, you know, and

41:31

people go crazy.

41:33

Yeah, yeah. Well,

41:35

the path to hell is paved with

41:37

good intentions. Somebody

41:40

once said, speaking of hell,

41:43

tell me about that. Did you experience something like

41:45

that, this other place?

41:47

I think I did. And we talked about this

41:49

thing earlier with, you know, leaving your body and

41:52

this time of death type of thing. And

41:54

I think there's this movie, it's called

41:57

Astral City. And that story

41:59

is... exactly what I saw. It's

42:01

very famous because of the channel

42:04

that wrote the book and he was channeling

42:06

it from spirits that had gone on. The premise

42:08

was that there is a heavenly

42:10

place that we aspire to and there

42:13

is a earthly place that we are here

42:15

now in and there's an in-between place where

42:17

you know we are having these

42:20

many lives and we're coming back to

42:22

earth and trying to break this cycle

42:24

of rebirth by our development, our

42:26

core soul development. Then

42:29

there's this other place that we don't

42:31

want to go and that's to your question

42:33

about hell and I think in this

42:35

movie when this guy

42:37

first dies he's in this

42:40

place and it's right out of you

42:42

know fire and brimstone. Just

42:45

these wild beasts everywhere and people

42:48

doing horrible things and you

42:50

know it's in our religions you know that we

42:52

have to walk through the valley

42:54

of the shadow of death. We have to walk through

42:57

this dimension, this frequency

43:00

where people didn't really when they're

43:02

in this life they got very confused. They're

43:05

in this very low vibration dimension

43:08

and anything goes there. You know I have

43:10

this thing going on with Kundalini and when

43:12

I close my eyes just for a

43:14

few minutes I can peel away and I'm

43:17

in that place and there are a lot

43:20

of you know sometimes it's quite remarkable

43:24

what they look like or something

43:26

you know grabs you. Nothing can harm you

43:29

but something will be suddenly in your face and

43:31

you know maybe trying to choke you or something but

43:34

you can just ignore it and move on

43:36

and that's what this I

43:38

think this hell realm is. As

43:41

we leave we have to realize

43:44

who we really are and keep

43:46

our wits about us and walk through

43:48

this valley of the shadow of death and not

43:51

get caught up with

43:53

some fear thing or some bit

43:55

of uncertainty and then

43:58

we you

43:59

know we move in

43:59

into these other realms. And

44:02

that's exactly what Edgar Cayce used

44:04

to do. When he'd go into, you

44:06

know, to give a reading, he'd go into a trance

44:09

and he would find himself a tiny

44:12

dot of light outside of his body.

44:15

And he knew he had to follow the light to

44:17

stay safe. And he would

44:19

move through these lower realms that

44:21

were places of nightmares, just

44:24

incredibly scary things. And he

44:27

just stayed with the light and followed

44:29

it to this Jacob's

44:31

ladder and then went up

44:34

this ladder and went through these other levels.

44:37

He talks all about each level as

44:39

he would go to the Akashic records to get a

44:42

reading. And the interesting thing, making

44:44

his full circle, if he would, when

44:46

he would get on that

44:48

Jacob's ladder, he would pass these little hooded

44:51

gnomes and elves. And

44:54

they were, you know, they're keeping order between

44:56

the dimensions. And he

44:58

said they had really dark robes at the bottom and

45:01

light robes as it went up, they

45:03

got lighter and lighter. So yeah, that dimension

45:05

is there. The hell dimension is there.

45:07

It's chaotic. It's absolute incredible

45:10

energetic fear. Can just pound you

45:12

to the ground. Like you said, we have

45:14

to wake up in this life and realize

45:17

who we are. This is the whole story. Realize

45:20

who we are. And then kind

45:22

of effortlessly, fearlessly, just

45:25

walk through that valley. And head

45:28

home to, you know, the divine.

45:30

Yeah. Yeah, wow.

45:33

Yeah, if anybody's interested,

45:35

Edgar Cayce fascinates,

45:37

Sleeping Cayce, they used to call

45:39

them fascinating stories. I

45:43

highly recommend reading some of his books.

45:45

Bill, you know, I have been

45:48

a, really a fan of all

45:50

religions and spiritual traditions. And I know all

45:52

of them really come down to love.

45:56

The Hindu traditions,

45:58

particularly spoke.

45:59

to me, connected with me. I spent

46:02

a lot of time in India,

46:04

but all of them I just love dearly,

46:06

because when you look at the foundation of all religions,

46:09

it is, it is, you know, we

46:11

are one, all is love, you

46:14

know, love is the most important thing.

46:16

But when it comes to death, the Buddhists

46:19

and the Hindu traditions have a lot

46:21

of texts on it, a lot of books, the

46:23

Tibetan book on living and dying, I've read

46:26

front to back, it's a powerful book.

46:29

One thing that I believe

46:31

is true, they say, is that the last

46:34

thought that you have before

46:36

you transition will dictate where

46:39

you go. So this

46:41

is why when Mahatma Gandhi

46:44

was shot, and if you go to India,

46:47

you hear people, you see people say

46:49

Ram, Ram, Ram, Ram,

46:52

which is the name of God, and when Gandhi was shot,

46:54

those were his last words. It

46:57

was Ram, it was the name of God, and

46:59

so to cultivate that amount

47:02

of mindfulness, that amount of

47:04

presence while we're here,

47:06

because they say you die like you lived,

47:09

so if you lived a very fearful,

47:12

angry life, then you

47:14

kind of die kicking and screaming. But

47:16

my message for everybody listening, I think

47:19

it's similar to yours, is to cultivate

47:21

that presence awareness that actually this,

47:24

we are not this body, we are something

47:27

beyond, we are love, and

47:29

to try to keep that thought in

47:31

our minds as much as possible,

47:34

because you never know when the last moment

47:37

will be. That's

47:39

really good stuff, Prince. That's

47:42

really good, thanks for that. Yeah,

47:44

well how do you, I know we're almost

47:46

out of time, but I'd love to know, how

47:48

do you view the current state

47:51

of the world? How do you view the

47:53

news, for instance? How do you view things

47:55

like greed and selfishness? Some

47:57

of the lesser. parts

48:00

of humanity.

48:02

Well, the news, you know, everything's our

48:04

choice and just like those dimensions

48:06

out there that you know your energy is going to dictate where

48:09

you go and if you want to

48:11

turn on the news and it's a you know, which

48:13

channels they are and and

48:16

get all that horrendous

48:18

information then that's

48:20

your choice and you know, you can watch,

48:22

you know movies that uplift you

48:24

like with Wizard of Oz or something or

48:27

you can watch somebody,

48:29

you know blowing 200 holes

48:31

in somebody else and There's

48:35

all these movies these moving screens.

48:37

They have an effect on us It goes right into our

48:39

subconscious and it becomes us.

48:42

So yeah, it's free will and We

48:44

are as Tom Campbell puts

48:47

it in his stuff is amazing. He

48:49

says he calls us free

48:52

will awareness units

48:55

We're these temporary avatars and

48:58

then we go we go back to this well

49:01

anyway, it's it's it follows the whole

49:03

thing with a person and a soul and

49:05

a higher self and a greater

49:08

connected universe he is like

49:12

software terms and You

49:14

know, he calls it a greater consciousness

49:18

system That would be God

49:23

But it's a it's really good and yeah,

49:25

okay, so to answer your question It's we

49:28

have free will we are these free will

49:30

awareness units and

49:33

you can go outside and plant fresh food

49:35

in your garden and take care of it

49:37

or you can go online and watch

49:41

people shooting people in other countries and

49:44

It's up to you until that stuff is at

49:46

your front door. He probably should Leave

49:49

it alone. Yeah.

49:51

Wow.

49:52

Well said So I you

49:54

know, there's a there's a big boom. I

49:56

think this happened when it comes

49:59

to plant medicine So

50:02

I know Terrence, when you were talking about the

50:04

elves, I was just thinking about the great Terrence

50:07

McKenna. He talked about the machine elves

50:10

that he saw and came

50:12

into contact with during his

50:14

trips. Have you ever experienced

50:16

psychedelics? I wonder if it does it compare

50:19

to the near-death experience

50:22

or have you just read stories or

50:24

what's your relationship?

50:26

I told you in 2010 I retired

50:28

and then this whole thing with

50:30

the near-death experience came running and rushing

50:32

in. That included, I didn't

50:34

even know why I was doing it, but I kept getting

50:36

on planes and going to Central America and

50:40

driving around. Pretty soon I was off

50:42

the paved roads and then I was off the dirt

50:44

roads and then I was on the trails and

50:46

the villages. I

50:48

got with some really incredible shaman, Taito

50:51

Onito. He's out of Columbia. These

50:53

are tiger shamans. They

50:55

make an ayahuasca which is called yaje

50:58

and it's like a big chocolate

51:00

malt. It's not a tea.

51:03

It's incredibly powerful. I

51:05

didn't know what I was doing and I did

51:07

do the ayahuasca a handful of times. I'll

51:11

just say right now, it's

51:13

a big number, 98%. Most people

51:16

have a harsh

51:18

time because it is a separation

51:20

of the ego. That is a

51:22

huge step

51:25

that we make and it's not an easy

51:27

step. It's a lot of suffering involved

51:32

in our lives and in those ceremonies.

51:35

You can have the suffering in one night of

51:37

a lifetime. I went

51:39

through that just

51:42

hours of being in these waves of fear.

51:45

I still had my wits about me, but it was just pouring

51:47

through me. The guys,

51:51

his assistants and stuff, at one point

51:53

they said, you're going to have to find the courage

51:55

to surrender to the softer you. Because

51:59

that's what ayahuasca is. does. It opens

52:01

up, you know, the

52:03

soul and the higher self and

52:06

you and you know,

52:09

your conscious

52:11

form that you're in and you're bouncing

52:15

between these during an ayahuasca ceremony.

52:17

You are moving between these perspectives

52:20

and it is it's remarkable

52:24

but most people never realize

52:26

that that's what happened. I didn't for a long

52:29

time. Yeah, so those medicines,

52:31

you know, everything's vibration and there

52:33

are plants, there are chemicals

52:36

in this world that when we ingest

52:38

them we become that vibration

52:40

for some hours, some minutes until

52:43

our body metabolizes it and we return

52:46

to normal. There's a whole bunch of

52:48

those things in there with the psilocybin

52:52

and all these things. They have

52:54

a vibration that connects with this pineal

52:57

gland activates the seed

52:59

of the soul which is a pineal gland. It

53:01

activates that sucker

53:03

and we

53:06

move into other dimensions. Our consciousness,

53:08

our energetic core

53:10

of who we really are, those dimensions

53:13

open up to us for a short time. In

53:15

that regard, those medicines

53:17

are incredibly powerful. Mostly

53:21

today, people think

53:23

it's a drug, it's a recreation

53:25

but it really isn't. It's a doorway

53:28

into the divine, the

53:30

divine side of you. So, you know,

53:32

I just say this is because

53:34

I had the near-death experience and I did the ayahuasca

53:37

a few times and it's rough. It's like

53:40

you're not in charge anymore. The

53:43

person that you have

53:45

always known to be is tied

53:48

and gagged and thrown in the trunk. This

53:50

higher version of you is driving for

53:53

a few hours and you sit in that trunk

53:55

and you kick and scream for

53:58

hours until you say...

54:00

oh,

54:02

that's me and you

54:05

relax.

54:07

You know, I said this you when I had my near-death

54:09

experience I had this euphoria it was

54:11

a I called it a cosmic orgasm

54:15

and when you find the courage

54:17

to surrender to that higher version of

54:19

you that higher self that energy

54:21

came flooding back in and

54:24

it was like just like my near-death

54:26

experience every cell was giggling

54:29

and the vibrations I was bouncing on the

54:31

ground and I was doing my best to

54:34

stay in this dimension because

54:37

everything inside of me was connected

54:39

to and wanted to go home and

54:41

that's how remarkable all these medicines

54:44

are these shamans they're not a bunch of goombas

54:46

in the jungle and either

54:48

were the Egyptians or them you know the Mayans

54:50

this DMT thing it's a

54:53

it's a shortcut to what

54:56

our body naturally does mm-hmm

54:58

yeah and I love the fact that you said

55:00

it you know it's not a recreational

55:03

thing it's it's something that's a connection

55:06

with the divine and should be honored respected

55:09

and really you go into

55:11

it with your heart thank you so much for sharing

55:13

that bill I wanted to ask

55:16

you because this was our

55:18

time is about up but

55:21

where can people

55:23

keep in touch with you do you have any books

55:25

out website social media if

55:28

somebody was interested in getting in the contact

55:30

with you or hearing more about your story

55:32

where can they go they

55:33

can write to me and I'm B

55:36

let's an le tson 56 at

55:39

Gmail and you know I get

55:41

lots of emails every day and alright

55:44

back I'll send you stuff but

55:47

I'm not in business and I'll put

55:49

this I had a book years ago but

55:52

everything you know it's just things

55:55

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55:57

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