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Thank you. Reading.

2:00

Through citations welcome back to Secret Symbols a

2:02

Playstation podcast This is episode number three hundred

2:04

and seven. My. Name is call Moriarty.

2:07

I'm joined today by someone very mysterious indeed.

2:09

Who is this man? Wanted

2:12

to the showed mystery person

2:14

gets me. it's mysteries know

2:16

I I I. I

2:21

just so sad to wear glasses that I can

2:23

finally some fried used to. It's I I've been

2:25

more Seriously. I mean I was. A. Robocall

2:28

but. I was considering doing

2:30

least like a little bit before my fight and

2:32

then they were like don't do that and they

2:34

were like okay and then I was considering doing

2:36

it afterwards and then I just kind as. Added

2:39

I was so relieved to not have to worry about

2:41

any me after the fight that I was like al

2:43

and others but this asked. For. Lobe it.

2:46

And I've been thinking about it more lately

2:48

now that all that has kind of pass

2:51

by. And it's a little

2:53

weird cause. I'm. Not really used

2:55

to my own face? him at all.

2:57

What you want? have glasses on? My

2:59

perception is so high that it warps

3:01

my face right when I look like

3:03

it's print fertility stream. It's even just

3:06

trying on. It. I

3:08

always hated this and I would try glasses

3:10

at like Lens Crafters are like any other

3:12

glasses place. I never

3:14

really knew like how they would look at me

3:16

because they don't. They're. Not prescription lenses

3:18

when you're trying them on. So. It I

3:20

have no real idea how they look and I'm

3:23

semi getting tired of it. and the other now.

3:26

Been. Trying the

3:28

contacts thing. Which. Is. I'm

3:31

not a big fan of it honestly. I. Don't like

3:33

this whole. Poke in my

3:35

own I in the morning I couldn't imagine.

3:38

It's terrible. No no no no No

3:40

No No no. Well. You're

3:42

good to get a seat at Yankee. Had only

3:44

drink a glass of water, staying hydrated, And

3:47

ugly sick I'm I'm not a few people have gotten lazy.

3:49

can I just want make sure that the a laser when the

3:51

wrong direction. sorry. State. of oregon on the

3:53

hour it's it's and has that are really

3:55

freaks me out sweaty of us because people

3:57

have told me like a smell your i

3:59

burning during the surgery because you're awake and it's

4:01

like oh my god. Interesting. I

4:04

sound so horrible. Yeah. But

4:07

yeah, well, I'll be I totally agree with you

4:09

because I wore so I never needed really glasses for

4:11

anything other than distance. I started wearing

4:13

them in high school a little bit that I stopped wearing

4:15

them and then at IGN I started wearing glasses again, I

4:17

would just wear them all the time and I probably wore

4:19

them for I don't know eight years or something like that.

4:21

And then I lost a pair of glasses in a cab

4:24

in New York City as I've explained in

4:26

the past and that was like my favorite pair of glasses couldn't

4:28

replace them just stopped wearing them. I agree with

4:30

you that your face

4:32

you have to adjust to your face. It's actually very similar to

4:34

when I shave my beard down to like very slow. It looks

4:36

like I have no face anymore. I look at

4:38

your fucking pinhead but really I don't. It's just

4:41

I'm so used to looking at myself a certain way. So I totally understand

4:43

what you're saying. Yeah. And

4:46

we'll be very we'll be very intrigued to follow

4:48

this with great interest. Yeah.

4:51

It's like George said buying

4:53

glasses like buying a new face right. Yeah, it's

4:55

like picking a new face. Yeah. All

4:58

right. Well, welcome to the show. Dustin Furman,

5:01

executive producer. Good to see you today, my friend. How

5:03

are you? I'm good. I've got

5:05

to be honest. I'm a little uneasy

5:07

because two days ago

5:09

there was a bee flying around here in

5:11

my office and I

5:14

got to be honest. You know, if you like, oh, you're

5:16

afraid of bees. What are you afraid of a bee

5:18

for? I kind

5:20

of am afraid of bees because

5:22

I've been stung by one. I've been

5:24

stung multiple times. And guess what? It

5:27

fucking hurts and it's very annoying

5:29

and I have like an extra allergic reaction.

5:31

So yeah, I do not want to mess with

5:33

any bees. So the fact

5:35

that there's one seemingly plotting to kill me while

5:38

I sit and record this podcast at any

5:40

moment. He'll be dead soon. I

5:43

haven't seen him in a day. So he's probably done. He's

5:45

done. Yeah, he's done. Yeah. Now,

5:48

yeah, I did find the other day I was

5:50

in my bathroom and I found there was the biggest ant

5:52

I've ever seen in my life. This dude

5:54

was like as big as

5:56

my fingernail. Carpegranate. Yeah. That's

5:59

bad news, dude. I've only seen

6:01

one, and I captured him under a cup. So.

6:03

Just I just can't have been keeping him their. This.

6:06

This to stay alive for six days while

6:09

his I listed at the cop and he

6:11

started to get away, I said no, you

6:13

don't. Put. Him right back under

6:15

there. And so I've just been going everyday and like

6:17

shaken the top Cb still alive. He's.

6:19

Holding on to.the I don't have no food,

6:21

no water. The. Dude strong twice and

6:24

I will drive. He will die. Why are

6:26

you smarter your i want you to cel

6:28

are torturing this as a silver smart a

6:30

big. I found it just want

6:33

to see how long I saw did he would literally

6:35

oh like a day and he be done because I

6:37

kind of forgot about him. It was ripe for went

6:39

to but when to bear I just like I'll just

6:41

leave him. And. Then I sat there

6:43

for a few days and so I went to pick up the

6:45

top. He was steals got away from me. So

6:48

now the challenge. Like I would normally

6:50

torture an aunt, but. The

6:52

fact that he's got the willpower, I'm like no, no,

6:54

no, I I must break you. Yell happening

6:56

is you're You're You're You're. You're

6:59

acting like a cruel god. Yes

7:02

and now is seeping know when he looks

7:04

to come on the give you a little

7:06

bit of a liberties energy and than you

7:08

do So back on him again. Yeah you're

7:10

like the North Vietnamese. Pretty much

7:12

I. Here's a things. What

7:14

is it? Because. People.

7:17

Don't think they will take anything about

7:19

killing a bug. Not all for most

7:21

part. Is is it

7:23

was. Were a mouse though I would feel like

7:25

a horrible person. Only I would never do that

7:27

to a mouse. but family. Should.

7:30

I. Know. Do you want you to

7:32

do it? or? ras? No. No

7:34

I'm saying like even a small creature like a mouse

7:36

that would be ah as I would make me feel

7:38

bad. In also certain so is

7:41

it the size of the at like

7:43

it if rabbits and ends like ras

7:45

were as small as and see that

7:47

you would tear. Well.

7:50

I guess maybe some to do with to ask

7:52

that a lot little mouse. As. A

7:54

little little T Pie or their oh

7:56

and don't know, he's got no to

7:58

redeeming qualities So. My. Dear.

8:02

If if I understand correctly, if

8:04

you believe in the single. Like.

8:07

A single source of life. Mammals

8:09

were created and then we all came

8:11

from that which is. The

8:13

more you think about, the more really doesn't actually

8:15

make any sense. but we're somehow related to that

8:17

creature. The but the mouse he rushes of our

8:19

list. everything. Here's. The thing. I.

8:22

Actually avoid telling insects and less it's or bugs and

8:24

list of the spider I'll kill a spider which not

8:26

an insect but. I'll kill any spider I see.

8:28

No problem. Going. To My way to kill

8:30

it. Other things I kind of little own except

8:33

for those that do some nice destructive Beatles that we

8:35

actually path as bait and catch him and bags. Missing.

8:37

A Bag of Beatles The A Bag of many I

8:39

wrote in the Garbage G E Curbs Novel. It

8:42

via tempting minutes. You actually you know

8:45

what would I just fucking say Stomp

8:47

on it. You know Fsf worried that

8:49

if we really distressing I bet. But

8:52

I don't know. like spiders or the one insect I

8:54

feel it or leave alone. Generally amazon like a carpenter.

8:56

Like something that's like very clearly like oh, that oh

8:58

that's why does going to kill me. You.

9:01

Know I generally spite us alone because I

9:03

feel like they're the only bug. They're.

9:05

The only insect I was in i'm in

9:07

sex arachnids whenever I get it, but they're

9:09

the only creature of that type. But.

9:12

I feel like is also kind of working for me in

9:14

some way. You. Know words like nothing

9:16

else. really does that. You.

9:18

Have I see a roach or something? I'm. Going.

9:21

Scorched earth on that thing. I. Might actually

9:23

capture it. And interrogated and

9:25

then torture it for way longer than bit of

9:27

doesn't do any of his hands. I. Hate

9:29

roaches, No. Sympathy at all from a

9:31

pop out. It's in as much their shoulder blades like

9:34

they did the John Mccain. Are

9:36

you still like when when I was living. High

9:39

Desert their apartments in would live in. I was

9:41

in like two apartments that had like roast problems

9:43

and I noticed by the way that every single

9:45

apart that I've ever been in that had a

9:47

rose from also had a dishwasher don't know what

9:50

that's about. I'd say something.

9:52

I've noticed. Dishwasher, Fucking

9:54

visualization perhaps? It feels

9:56

like a lot to say because that was also like where they

9:58

would come through some times and of. Yeah, the water

10:00

piping, that's where ants come in all the time, is

10:02

like their water lines and shit like that. We

10:06

learned that in San Francisco. I said that

10:08

before, it was a very common thing because

10:10

it's dry so much of the year that when it

10:12

starts to rain, the ants actually start like trying to

10:14

go out and then bring water back or whatever. It's

10:18

crazy. Yeah. The

10:21

way I feel about dishwashers is the way that

10:23

Sony feels about the PS Vita. I feel like it's

10:25

an unnecessary vector and they need

10:27

to be eliminated. Interesting. I

10:30

love the dishwasher, personally. Yeah, you

10:33

love the Vita. Makes sense. Yeah.

10:35

That's a good point. Is your hate

10:38

of the dishwasher rooted

10:40

in the bugs that may come from it, in your

10:42

theory? I

10:44

think the problems that they open

10:46

you up to is not worth

10:48

the solutions that they give you.

10:51

Just wash your dishes. I

10:54

really don't get it. Problems. Other

10:57

than this theory that you can use, it's

10:59

just a hunch. No, no, no, no,

11:01

no. What are the same one other problem, Chris, with the dishwasher?

11:04

It's just another mechanical thing in your kitchen

11:06

that you have to worry about. It's also

11:08

taking up valuable counter space and valuable storage

11:10

space that could be used to

11:13

store other things. It's just

11:15

a huge waste of space and

11:17

a massive mechanical bitch in

11:20

your kitchen that doesn't do anything. What

11:23

does it do? It rinses your dish. Do it yourself.

11:26

What is water? Hours of dishes. What are you doing?

11:29

Over time? Over time? Over time.

11:31

Don't. Just

11:34

wash your dishes the moment you're done. What do you

11:37

mean over time? Why are you letting them sit there long enough

11:39

to even need a dishwasher in the first place? I

11:42

don't mean like let all your dishes pile

11:44

up and then wash them. I'm just saying

11:47

that washing your dishes takes more time than

11:49

it takes to use a dishwasher. No, no,

11:51

no, no, no. But here's the thing about

11:53

the dishwasher. People use it wrong all

11:55

the time. People

11:58

put their fucking dirty, dirty... dirty,

12:00

dirty, unrinsed dishes in the dishwasher.

12:02

It's like, oh, the dishwasher will

12:05

do it. No, you have

12:07

to rinse your dishes thoroughly and then put

12:09

them in the dishwasher, which at that point,

12:11

if you're rinsing your dishes so thoroughly already,

12:14

just finish it. If you're washing your dishes

12:16

80% of the way, just

12:18

so you can put it in the glass 20% in the dishwasher,

12:21

just fucking finish it. I just,

12:23

I don't understand the dishwasher at all. That's

12:25

a fair point. That's always bothered

12:27

me as well, that you had to

12:29

do that. And if you don't do that, you're fucking your dishwasher

12:31

up bad. Well, if you don't do that.

12:34

No, no, no, no, you guys are both wrong.

12:36

Washington Post experts say, don't pre-rinse your dishes. We

12:38

put that advice here to the test. And I've

12:40

heard this before other places. It is a misnomer.

12:42

If you have a modern dishwasher, there's a working

12:44

condition. Yeah, you don't wanna have like a solid,

12:47

like hunks of food on there. You gotta scrape

12:49

it off. But no, you don't need to

12:51

rinse your dishwasher or your dishes before you put it in

12:53

the dishwasher. Yeah, no, I should be clear. If I don't, I

12:55

just wash the, I just put the dish under the water just

12:57

to get rid of like crumbs and things like that. Cause

12:59

we have traps in our dishwasher. Like if there's

13:02

someone who's a dishwasher, you have to empty them. That

13:05

already though, the

13:07

act of even putting the dish under the sink in the

13:09

first place, like I'm already here, dude. Yeah,

13:11

I know. I'm already here. And by the way,

13:13

if I'm putting the dishes away under, like

13:15

I'm putting the dishes under the sink in the first place,

13:18

this is going to be, chances are

13:20

I just finished using them. This

13:23

is going to be the easiest point in

13:25

which they're going to be cleanable anyway. Cause

13:27

nothing's congealed and nothing's staining. You

13:29

could theoretically, like once you're done eating, you could

13:31

theoretically like run to the sink and rinse it

13:33

and be fine just doing that theoretically,

13:36

if you get to it really fucking quick. So I'm like, I

13:38

just, I don't know. And then you have,

13:41

if you have to empty out like the thing in the

13:43

dishwasher, that's just another fucking thing that you have to, oh,

13:45

I got to remember to do this. Oh,

13:47

I got to get like specific dishwasher

13:49

soap that is like very specific to

13:51

the dishwasher. Then you got to get the other stuff

13:53

that you put in that so that doesn't get water

13:55

spots on it. Yeah,

13:58

which was really important. You Don't have to do that. There's

14:00

you know how hard water. but in Santa

14:02

Monica the fucking world's hardest water ever that

14:04

permanently stains things like permanently will permanently stained

14:06

glass. Sanitary If you live Like if you

14:08

have a shower with glatt like you will

14:10

a will stain it and you will not

14:13

get it off. That's how fucking hard the

14:15

water is there. Jet dry, Marry

14:17

Me in China, Your Virginia. We

14:19

only don't you try you, Don't virginia but

14:21

like that that the some say it's a so

14:24

many it's a silly things to pay attention to

14:26

and and manage and six when all you really.

14:28

To. And to not have to do all that,

14:31

you just have to wash your fucking dishes and

14:33

I just. I don't get it. I

14:35

swear I know I never considered. The

14:37

management of a dishwasher. Ah

14:40

to be this extensive. Truly.

14:42

And I for users useful for that respectable

14:44

man who lives by himself. And

14:47

I'm afraid ever cook for anyone but. I.

14:49

You know, if you've got a family your feet

14:51

in a few kids. he got a lot of

14:53

dishes at the end on it multiple times a

14:55

day basis. potentially. Yes, I know

14:57

it's totally valid on a present. Mart.

15:01

Hear those who say he is. I've I vacillated with

15:03

the dishwasher in my life. To admit to be fair,

15:05

when I live in San Francisco with Greg for many

15:07

years, we had a dishwasher and I refused to let

15:09

him use it ever. Because.

15:11

It was. From. The

15:14

late eighties, early nineties, And

15:16

a healthy original energy star marking. I would be

15:18

like no one side and I'm like this. Probably.

15:22

Uses. So. Much power

15:24

and like five hundred gallons of water.

15:26

However, Today, dishwashers are so

15:28

efficient. This is the one upside to them. That.

15:30

They use substantially less water.

15:33

And even depending on indeed nature of your seat like

15:35

what we do have a gas heater left you ever

15:37

will use even less of that as the waters heated

15:39

as well. In some people use of for to be

15:41

judicious like that but we run our once a day

15:43

and that is a thing If you. Make.

15:46

A Cooks all the time. Like everyday

15:48

multiple times a day, sometimes so. We.

15:50

Have all that a dishes and we just run it at night. Get

15:52

up in the morning. Would. Have

15:55

this is way less or cycle. I'm

15:57

kind of. I'm very

15:59

sympathetic the your position because. I.

16:02

Have often wondered about the rinsing to that

16:04

really annoyed me as well. Yeah.

16:06

But. I'm. Over it. Now yes,

16:08

if that's where are you and your this is fucking

16:10

crazy. I don't want me was I created you guys

16:12

his young or old doesn't You probably know cause you

16:14

you bought a bought appliances in the past but. Used.

16:17

To get an appliance. So when I moved in here

16:20

at a Bio my appliances rent whirlpool, whatever may to

16:22

accept. Yeah and then I gots I

16:24

got like a warranty so must be a must.

16:26

I moved in in June of two thousand twenties

16:28

or must be like for your warranty wherever. I've

16:31

got a bunch of things in the mail. To.

16:34

Renew the warranty and like it more. Ring with worry

16:36

on the stove and on the fridge. All this and.

16:39

Do their subscriptions now. How

16:42

to have my own. You don't buy the war. It's

16:44

like or eight. For thirty nine,

16:46

nine months. Will. Take

16:48

care of your stove and I'm like, well,

16:51

I'm not doing that Now here's the thing

16:53

though. It probably comes out to a pretty

16:55

similar price, but I'm like I can't believe

16:57

even these mother fuckers. Are

16:59

now try to get on subscription revenue

17:01

for warranties for these different for ages and

17:04

albany tag plus a my gum goodness.

17:06

I'll. Just let it out as buy a new one at this

17:09

point. Like just it's just not a principal. I think

17:11

we're okay. I think everything's fine right now. The.

17:13

The As A or that's happening with cars to. Were

17:16

like yeah I like the Mlb or one of

17:18

the German companies started doing or out He or

17:20

someone started like having like subscriptions, seat heat and

17:22

shit like that. It's.

17:25

Pretty crazy taken his and out

17:27

a guy so he's then when

17:29

is so. A

17:31

Be cautious in such a deeply

17:33

villain like I real I really.

17:36

That's a villain to me. Like somebody

17:38

who introduces subscription services into features already

17:40

built into a car that is like.

17:44

You. Should be in prison. Salaries

17:46

I fixed like that is so

17:49

outrageously evil that I'd I'd now.

17:52

Your. Kids who suffer for that. the

17:54

training be generational suffering oh yeah

17:57

yeah it's like that since notorious

17:59

dallas rifle Yeah, if

18:01

you escaped North Korea, they're gonna kill everyone you know Everyone

18:07

you've ever met it's pretty ruthless.

18:09

I must say those communists All

18:13

crazy man, well, it's good to be here with you guys You're

18:17

gonna see he's like a real jerk What

18:20

a bunch of assholes Little jerk

18:22

offs. It's gonna be here with you guys today And

18:25

it's good to be here with you out there in the audience.

18:27

Appreciate you So we started a little late today. I'm gonna turn

18:29

it around I wanted to show everyone this though because I just

18:31

thought it'd be an interesting thing unless you worked at like a

18:34

GameStop or Something I doubt you've ever seen this we

18:36

see at games like this at IGN all the time We're

18:39

publishing another Lily Mo game

18:41

and we'll announce it probably late in the summer because we have a lot

18:43

of work to do on it first but the big part of it, of

18:45

course is getting the game and I had

18:48

to start 15 minutes late and the guys accommodated me and

18:50

I appreciate that because a FedEx truck like a truck like

18:52

a fucking 18 Wheeler kind of

18:54

truck pulled up in front of my house and

18:57

Pulled out a huge palette of games now the last

18:59

time we ordered it We ordered a thousand games last

19:01

time and they came in boxes and then sleeves in

19:03

the boxes this time We just got a huge palette

19:05

wrapped in plastic with just the sleeve So it took

19:07

me a long time to get them all inside But

19:10

if people are curious, this is like

19:12

a sleeve of video games and

19:15

I turned the game around and this is how they

19:17

go and our ship the store is usually a sleeve

19:19

at a time or so and Just

19:22

an interesting little tidbit for you in case you're curious about

19:24

the mechanics of the games industry most

19:26

games in the United States are published in Indiana

19:29

in a famous disc

19:31

factor a pressing factory that has existed I

19:33

think since the 80 80s long

19:35

before disc based games and Yeah,

19:38

it's cool to um It's

19:40

cool to get them. So I'm excited.

19:42

Here's the back of the game. It's too low-res. You won't be

19:44

able to tell what it is and Yeah,

19:48

we'll have more to say about that soon. So I had to go do that

19:50

and that and then I started sweating. I mean Yeah,

19:54

oh boy, cuz it's so hot out. Why does it always

19:56

have to be so hot? Then

19:59

when I'm answer that? No. Why would

20:01

it be so hot? In California it's only like 60,

20:03

64 right now. It's

20:06

nice and cool, nice and cloudy.

20:09

Yeah, that's nice. You know

20:11

what, the tilt of the earth and the wobble of the earth, it

20:14

would be nice if we had an earth like a planet... The

20:16

earth was like this and didn't

20:18

wobble. We would actually be able to

20:25

live in permanent places that would have identical weather

20:27

at all at all times except for I guess

20:30

the distance from the Sun would

20:32

it be affected depending on where you were? You'd

20:34

have to change a few things about the mechanics of the orbit of the earth I

20:36

guess. But that would be pretty nice

20:38

because then you could be like, oh I'll

20:40

just live here and this is the way it is. You know,

20:44

if you want this fucking hot bullshit

20:47

in the south, and I'm not even that far

20:49

in the south, dude. Can you imagine what they're doing

20:51

in Mississippi right now? You

20:54

don't even want to imagine what they're

20:56

doing in Mississippi. You think you see

20:58

Confederate flags around here? Yeah, they're

21:01

all microwaved out there. Oh, to

21:03

say the least. All

21:08

right, so PlayStation podcast, Sacred Symbols. It's

21:10

gonna be... We actually didn't even get into

21:13

anything. It took almost 15 minutes to get

21:15

through the dishwashing conversation, which

21:17

is good. True. That's nice and

21:19

it's good to convene with all of you. I'm glad

21:23

to be here today. Feel pretty

21:25

good. Went to the doctor yesterday for a

21:27

physical... No, two days ago. Got

21:29

a blood test. Do you have

21:31

Kaiser Permanente, Chris? Or have

21:34

you? Ever? Yeah, so you know how in Kaiser

21:36

it's like everything in one stop, which is awesome.

21:38

I actually really like Kaiser a lot. I miss

21:40

it. Where it's like you go to one building, it's

21:42

like go to the doctor here, then go see the specialist on

21:44

the third floor, the pharmacy's on the first floor, go get your

21:46

blood test on the second floor. I love that shit. Yeah, it's

21:48

super convenient. This place is in New York and then I used

21:50

to go to you too that were very much like that. That's

21:53

what I was gonna say, I never encountered it until now.

21:55

This place is kind of becoming like that and I'm like

21:57

that's so nice. It's cost control. I mean that's the only

21:59

reason... That they want to do it with. So.

22:02

I was convenient. Here's the thing. Pretty.

22:04

Healthy. Weight flat over the last two

22:06

years which is good and I begin a lot more

22:08

muscle so I'd like to think that's a good thing.

22:11

Cholesterol. Hi. Column.

22:14

Being put on limits or. The

22:16

right now so have a stroke

22:19

or heart attacks. Okay excellent know

22:21

what it? Where's it coming from?

22:24

Could be the mayonnaise? Will. Be

22:26

so surprised about that! Could be

22:28

the cheese. Don't.

22:31

Know. But. We added we

22:33

got a clear the veins. And

22:35

the court. What does it? The arteries. Yeah.

22:38

It's or core corollary. Capillaries,

22:41

capillary, Capillary room. And

22:43

there's. Your home. I

22:45

consider myself a pretty curious person. Rent I'm interested

22:47

in a lot of different things. The

22:50

second you start talking about. Biology.

22:53

Human Biology Animal bought like whatever.

22:57

Is. Going to zone out. Here.

23:00

I. Don't know fucking anything make it me want to me

23:02

like a few months ago because i was like oh my

23:04

fucking to be like just being into the do that's not

23:06

where your kidneys like I was like hold these are our

23:08

and like i really don't even know where my kidneys three

23:11

as it somewhere. In my

23:13

gosh, it's it's it's a it's it's

23:15

cause it's like blower bang your back.

23:17

Yeah, it's like lower back twice as

23:19

were Kidney shot is kind of like

23:21

rye. Roger. I know

23:23

that without him there is a

23:25

kidney or liver. Up

23:27

at an appendix and a pancreas.

23:30

Yes, and running their tail and don'ts Don't

23:32

forget the spleen. The spleen right? A L

23:34

A Commodities but where they are and even

23:37

what they really do. I'll

23:40

give us. yeah, Yeah.

23:43

I'm kind of the same by I feel like. It's

23:46

one of those things where I know

23:48

generally the more I know about something,

23:50

the more I'm. Our

23:53

know the more nervous I get about it. Like

23:56

to escalate? I didn't I was very carefree

23:58

about video games I knew very well. a little

24:00

about them. And so to me, I'm like, I

24:03

don't wanna know too much about my body to the point where

24:06

I'm like constantly stressed out about like, oh man, is that a

24:08

tickle in my brain? What's that mean? Like,

24:10

ah, whatever. Yeah, exactly. Do you

24:12

know what to do? My heart hurts

24:14

for five hours? Ah, whatever. I'm

24:17

just taking a nap. Do

24:19

you think now that every, we grew up

24:21

in an analog era and then became, you know, internet people.

24:24

And we all learned through trial and error

24:26

you can't look up your own ailments. You

24:28

can't. Wait, and we talked about this in

24:30

the past, you can't do it. But does

24:32

everyone need to learn that independently? Like

24:35

does a child, like a Zoomer, or

24:38

what's even the new generation? It's like generation alpha or

24:40

something like that? Yeah, something like that. What, young kids? Like

24:42

really young kids? They're gonna all have to do the

24:44

WebMD thing and realize, oh, I don't wanna know that

24:46

I have cancer for every single ailment. Right.

24:50

That everything that hurts is cancer. Right?

24:53

Is too much for me. So

24:56

it's a lot. It's too

24:58

much for me. Everything's an STD

25:00

and everything's cancer. It's like, okay. Yeah,

25:02

it's chlamydia or cancer. It's nothing in between. You

25:05

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25:07

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25:10

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29:55

I'm not done with the game yet. Got to be the tonight.

29:58

Don't know if I'm going to be able to beat it tonight. Maybe I won't be on the show.

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and I talked to Micah this past week

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about her sending out the Moriarty Raygun shirts,

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and I see people out there repping them.

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Very cool. Yeah, excellent. Thank you again for

30:27

supporting us. I love to see it, and

30:30

what a scary ticket that is.

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As we already instructed and told you, this

30:35

is a dictatorship, and Ray will

30:37

not be going anywhere. So elect

30:40

us at your own risk. We

30:43

should do like a... I

30:46

don't know if it would be a Sacred Symbols Plus

30:48

or whatever. We should do an episode where we outline our

30:50

platform, where we see

30:52

like, this is the do's and don'ts of our dictatorship.

30:55

Here's what will get you trebuchet into

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the ocean, and here's what will

31:00

get you model citizenship status. Excellent.

31:03

I love that idea. I think that would be fun. Yeah, that

31:05

would be fun. That's a great idea. I'll make note. You guys

31:07

might need to watch out. I mean, there's rumors of another party

31:10

being added to the ticket. Oh.

31:13

The Furman Health Unit. Is that right? I

31:15

don't know. I don't hear it. You're doing right? Yeah.

31:18

Things are happening. The company's getting something. I don't even know what's going

31:20

on in it anymore. Where am

31:22

I? Where am I pen? Oh, there's my pen. Okay. Where

31:25

are my pen? So many. Where are my pen?

31:33

Dude, I'm shocked on that. I mean, like, I don't even know

31:35

how to begin to tell you how shocked I am. But it's

31:38

all that heat. It

31:40

is. It's the heat and some other things too. All

31:43

right. Let's get into topics of discussion. Stretch

31:45

our legs like we haven't already done so. Brendan

31:49

Mason wrote in, remember, you can write into us on

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over there. Use the thread in the newsfeed each and every

31:55

week. Hey, double C

31:57

and slightly larger than your average D. I

32:00

don't we're to requests but mean my best friend have been listening

32:02

to your podcast for a few years now and his birthday is

32:04

coming up this weekend. He's. One of your

32:06

biggest fans and was almost all of your march almost all.

32:09

I was racking my brain trying to figure out a

32:12

good birthday present. Raymond.what's a better birthday gift and a

32:14

birthday wish from his favorite podcast? So.

32:16

If you guys can which east and a happy twenty third. That.

32:19

Would be awesome. Ethan. Happy

32:22

twenty third birthday little baby boy. About

32:24

oh my leg. Will

32:26

come on over here. Let me what you want

32:29

Christmas? Roman. Floyd

32:31

Island and here. Twenty. Three

32:33

is a good year, I agree. Yeah, I

32:36

never understood that song where they're of those at the

32:38

nobody likes you. See what was originally

32:40

when he jumped from What Made you ask me a.

32:42

Message. And get it. I like to the a lot.

32:46

Twenty three: You're still in the ignorance that you

32:48

feel like. You're. Not. Quite.

32:50

At the point we have to think about the

32:52

fact for your aging at twenty five you'll say

32:54

whoa whoa whoa. Now

32:57

I'm supposed to happen necessarily this

32:59

soon. And. I know I'm only thirty, so

33:01

I don't have room to talk year but twenty five

33:03

now with the year dazzling old. Son's.

33:05

Happening here. And that's

33:08

normally can increase. I turned forty and I'm about

33:10

to be put on look at yourself. And

33:13

license young people. Are

33:17

it Brennan? Thanks for reading anything. Added

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You. Should still by your friend of a present though

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35:32

a presumably B-roll from movie theaters, Best Buy,

35:34

GameStop, etc. during various times in the last

35:36

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35:39

from 2000 that I thought that I was a part of

35:41

is truly incredible. Have you seen this channel?

35:43

Can you maybe share some happy midnight release console launch

35:45

memories? Thanks. I

35:47

don't know if you guys have ever heard of this YouTube channel. It is

35:50

remarkable. And also, I

35:52

follow the guy on Twitter and he's really interesting

35:54

there too. He just has like a shit

35:56

ton of old things. Like Just old things

35:58

like here's what... Though indo open it

36:00

up and be like years. He

36:03

of fruit snacks from Eighty Ninety Two

36:05

or something else. I just some weird

36:07

shit I yeah and this is Vampire

36:09

Robot channel. On you tube

36:11

is just straight. On. Edited

36:14

footage. That. People took

36:16

in various situations. In. The

36:18

pre nup pre internet days with the pre

36:20

cable internet is an illogical. Don't realize that

36:23

there was a especially younger people that there's

36:25

a seminal cut off in the history of

36:27

the internet when. We. Stopped using dial

36:29

because then we were able to start. Doing.

36:32

About a bunch more stuff. So it the Playstation

36:34

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36:36

cable. Era. And so

36:38

it's cool to see this kind of stuff. I

36:40

have to say though, as a fan The Soldier,

36:42

it's classic nostalgia, painful memories, It's

36:45

almost difficult to watch some of the stuff for

36:47

me, And. Makes me sad like there's footage

36:49

of like High School and Ninety Ninety Nine. And like

36:51

I was in High School Ninety Nine And. Yeah.

36:54

Right now. And I

36:56

watch it. And am I getting said watching

36:58

it? So it's a very, very interesting youtube

37:00

channel I wanted shouted out. I'm so glad

37:02

you brought up right through a while. I

37:04

do watch it fairly often. Vampire robots? are

37:06

you guys really. Nice! I haven't

37:09

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37:11

seeing there's a bunch of new stuff that

37:13

I haven't seen. One of my favorites there

37:15

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37:18

thousand and four. And you

37:20

can just see behind the glass. All.

37:22

Of that the game. Two games. you know

37:25

the P S two games in there. And

37:27

you're right, it is absolutely painful. Ah,

37:29

seeing these just because it is. Dude.

37:32

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p A Walmart and Two Thousand and Four. I

37:36

mean dogs like. We. Have

37:38

nothing to do on a Friday night. Your parents

37:40

take you to Walmart and really wasn't It

37:42

wasn't as gross back then. I mean maybe a

37:45

was maybe to my hang out at Walmart?

37:47

No, no, no, I mean that's as always the

37:49

joker like know there's not a dude butler. either

37:51

go to the mall or go to Walmart.

37:53

So you do your Friday shopping a Walmart, get

37:55

a look at the Gameboy Advance games, you

37:58

know, maybe get a frozen pizza or whatever. But.

38:00

Yeah, I think that these videos. Maybe.

38:03

I'm misremembering, so I looked into

38:05

it initially when I first found

38:07

the channel be a lot of

38:09

these are be role for news

38:11

segments. This. Is just be role shot

38:13

around Christmas time Walmart two thousand and Four

38:15

and it's this guide on how he works

38:18

at a news station. Reed.all these tapes and

38:20

so it's just. Like. You

38:22

said Op Ra: unedited footage of people

38:24

in a Walmart two thousand, four other

38:26

situations like I'm looking. Any others like

38:28

arcade. Mall, Christmas shopping

38:30

online and ninety ninety six us. I busy

38:33

now and and some three weeks got sounds

38:35

awesome. But great. Channel highly

38:37

ram and really really cool by

38:39

yeah I'm I'm. I

38:41

would love to see video of myself from back in

38:43

the day. You know I don't know if you guys

38:46

have this feeling but I've had the ceiling Ramon actually

38:48

introduces feelings me were because he has so many pictures

38:50

of us from like are when you're eighteen, nineteen twenty.

38:53

And. He would show each show them the me where I like

38:55

it would almost take my breath away. Relic Oh my God. This

38:57

Did Happen. Like. There's like yes,

38:59

there I am. Like. They're

39:01

I am. It's not a memory or linger I

39:03

always think about. Very philosophical but. When

39:06

something doesn't event that multiple people remember

39:08

interpret as at some point it's.about for

39:10

the last time and then at some

39:12

point it has gone. Like.

39:14

They're says at absolutely no evidence of it

39:17

ever happening. This happens costly every millisecond. As.

39:19

People die. I love that

39:21

kind of shit. Scary and philosophical, an interesting

39:24

and so seeing like this frozen in time

39:26

picture of something that I remember like oh.

39:29

So. There's more to that, doesn't just

39:31

this ephemeral having a passing. Since.

39:33

Then. There. Is a eclipse it's been.

39:36

I've seen him on Twitter and Instagram

39:38

go around. It's the band Sixpence None

39:40

the Richard you remember them with Sam

39:42

Kiss Me is Me if it's a

39:44

live performance from some point. And whenever

39:46

that song came out in the nineties,

39:48

Demagogues was the world you lived in

39:50

no longer exists. Madison. Using

39:52

about that like man you look at that would

39:55

age and of course everyone looks very nineties in

39:57

it, but like no one's holding up a phone.

40:00

When I know that's a meme, it's like, oh, it's

40:02

beautiful. No, I'm not a phone in sight, but legitimately,

40:04

it's like, man, It is sad

40:06

when you think about. This. World that

40:08

are. Is gone and will never

40:11

be back then we'll ever have here

40:13

with saw our means and are constant.

40:15

Internet Addiction. and as I said that serial

40:17

killer Sweden is bittersweet. So to me because it's

40:19

like i think about that is hours earlier

40:21

that's gone by the same hazard. Oh my god

40:23

I'm so glad I got a as a

40:25

see that before it went away like it's

40:27

the fact that it is ephemeral. Is.

40:30

What makes it valuable? I think. It's I

40:32

were like if if if we were just in that

40:34

era we're still doing that. We'd. Have all sorts

40:37

of things to complain about. Still. You. Know

40:39

it would just could just be like he

40:41

has where we are still. Ah grade The

40:43

game sub didn't have the copy that I

40:45

fucking preordered. even

40:47

though I fucking preordered it. You

40:50

know we would have the same

40:52

exact so as it's yet still

40:54

and but now it's yeah there

40:56

is. Yeah. I definitely. I

40:59

don't on the salt is weird. Because.

41:01

I think it can. It can be. Toxic.

41:04

Assets in some way. But.

41:06

I'd you will. I do like this channel's awesome!

41:08

My favorite video from the shower though is it

41:11

since Advocates it was like a year ago Advocates?

41:13

I don't know if it's. A. Pretty

41:15

sure it's empire of up at it was like

41:17

inside a circuit city on Nine Eleven. Is.

41:22

That it's as people is is people at

41:24

Circuit City be like. Ah,

41:27

Ah ah, I'm. Pretty

41:30

sure I'm pretty sure if that's how I can't

41:32

imagine the always turn out of Circuit City on Nine

41:34

Eleven. Or yes. And

41:37

while. He has while it's is

41:39

all people just. Feel. Like. Sharing

41:41

with businesses. Have their massage Like is there

41:43

a shot of all the Crt line up

41:45

on a wall in they all have like

41:48

them to the two towers. Number it's it's

41:50

it's your first. The first set of the

41:52

video is that literally I say you are

41:54

time stamps. Yeah link. it's litter it's right

41:56

to be alone seconds and you can see the sky staring

41:58

and in the background a giant CRT. Dude,

42:03

Chris's impression of the woman was perfect. Like,

42:05

of like, her life. Yeah,

42:09

oh, 9-11. What

42:12

a day that was. Fucking crazy day that

42:14

was. Oh, 9-11.

42:17

Like, he's Urkel. Yeah.

42:20

Did I do that? All

42:22

right. You can't debate. Yeah,

42:25

I mean, maybe you did do that. Maybe family matters

42:27

is what? Yeah. Alcated

42:29

or radicalized. We don't really know for

42:31

sure. Osama bin Laden was like, that's it? Take

42:34

this fucking Urkel kid. It

42:37

wasn't supposed to be about the Urkel kid. It was supposed

42:39

to be about the wind blows. And

42:41

then he... That's his real

42:43

manifesto on his hard drive along with all of

42:45

his Naruto porn and all of his weird

42:48

manga. It's just a

42:50

word document that says, Urkel made me do

42:52

this. But

42:56

it's like, it's typed in wing dings to make it

42:58

a little bit cryptic. And then the last sentence is

43:00

just a standalone sentence that just says, yes, I did

43:02

that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:07

Sincerely or is Osama bin Laden?

43:09

Sincerely. Yeah, dude. Anyway, Vampire

43:11

Robot. Oh, you know another channel that I want

43:13

to shout out? It only comes up once in

43:16

a while, but it's a really fucking sick idea

43:18

and very unique and not really replicable. It's called,

43:20

I think, My Retro Life. Have you

43:22

guys heard of this? Oh, yeah. That

43:24

guy that has all his home movies, right? Yeah,

43:26

like his dad and he would take home movies

43:28

during their gaming sessions and all these different things

43:31

in the late 90s, mid-late 90s and into the

43:33

2000s. And it's super cool. And

43:35

then I think his dad might have passed away or

43:37

something. And so I

43:39

think that's the story. And so I think he

43:41

like recollects through these videos. It's like there's a

43:43

video of them getting their Dreamcast, for instance. It's

43:46

really, really cool. And they're plugging it in and playing with it.

43:50

I don't know, man. I

43:52

want to go back so badly. I

43:55

don't fantasize for much in sort of like

43:57

a dystopian future of electronic takeover, but... I

44:01

do fantasize about something like San Junipero, not

44:04

that it would go like that, but on Black Mirror

44:06

where it's like you can go somewhere and

44:08

be in a place and experience a

44:10

thing. I don't think, and

44:12

I said this to Dagan and he and I

44:14

get so excited about it, I'm like, imagine a

44:16

VR module that was

44:18

very immersive and one of them is bring

44:21

me to Toys R Us in 1989 and let me walk around and

44:25

look. I

44:29

would live in that world, not the Toys R

44:31

Us in 1989, but the living in like bring me

44:33

here, bring me here, bring me here. And that's fucking

44:35

dystopian and shit, but I can see myself falling

44:38

into that pit and never living in the real world

44:40

ever again. Do you

44:42

think as we get further and further away, the amount

44:44

of time that it would take to get that technology

44:46

to the place that we would want it to be,

44:48

do you think so much

44:50

time would have passed that there would be no

44:53

real accurate way to

44:55

portray that era in time because everybody

44:57

would have forgotten it authentically? Yeah,

45:00

I mean that's a great point. I think

45:02

it would have to be- People would just

45:04

have these like kind of like vague memories

45:06

of- Because even I think about that sometimes, like I think I

45:09

remember the 2000s being like really fun, but at the

45:11

same time it's like I

45:13

don't know if that's true. I don't know if I was

45:15

just, I was probably just a kid. It would disabuse you.

45:17

Being able to do that, Chris, I think would disabuse all

45:19

of us of a lot of things about

45:22

what it was actually like. I

45:25

always think about I'm really afraid of being bored.

45:29

I don't want to be bored. It's

45:32

why I was always like if I just have cable internet and

45:34

like I remember being a kid or not a kid like even

45:36

a teenager, I mean like they got

45:39

to have video games and like the internet and if any of those

45:41

things went away, I'd be like so annoyed. It's

45:43

why I have cable now. I don't even watch it. It's

45:46

just like it's fair and I know I can

45:48

have it or whatever. I feel like

45:50

going back to that world, my brain is so distracted

45:52

and so addled and fucked up. The

45:55

idea of memory is very interesting since we're all playing or most of

45:57

us are playing Stellar Blades right now.

46:00

And that's a great deal. What it's about is

46:02

what you remember. All

46:04

right. Thank you for writing in. Brian

46:07

Flanders, vampire robot shout out. Guys,

46:12

did you read this next one? I I

46:14

did. Yeah. Adam Sanders

46:17

wrote in and

46:19

said, hello, boys. In February 2023, I listened

46:21

to an episode of Constellation about Valentine's Day. I

46:24

listened to Colin, Ben and Dustin talk about their dating lives and

46:26

their stories of love and marriage. I was

46:28

always unhappy. I'm sorry, I was already unhappy in my

46:30

personal marriage. But your words hit me hard. And that

46:32

day when I finished the episode, I called my wife

46:35

and told her I would be getting divorced to

46:37

my shock a week or two later. Colin read on

46:39

the podcast that someone else had also decided to leave

46:41

their spouse after hearing the Valentine's Day episode. And

46:44

it's been a long road for me, but I just

46:46

boomed out yesterday and will be officially divorced after 17 years

46:48

of marriage later this month. Just wanted

46:50

to let you know that you have ended not one, but two

46:53

marriages with your profound words and all seriousness. Thank

46:55

you for being the catalyst and help me do what I know

46:57

I needed to do, knew I needed to do for many years.

46:59

I need to come to a live event in the near future

47:01

and shake your hands. Thanks for everything you guys do. I've been

47:03

with you since the beginning and I'm not going anywhere. Oh

47:08

boy. I

47:10

mean, you got to make your own choices in life. Yeah. Right. I

47:14

do think some people have that pent up energy and just need

47:16

to be pushed over the edge. And I guess it's not that

47:19

uncommon. I mean, we've all experienced that, right? In

47:21

our own lives in some sense, where it's like

47:23

someone just says something that's true that

47:26

resonates with you about something and

47:28

you're like, oh yeah, I got to do that. Or yeah. Oh

47:30

yeah. That is something that needs to happen or whatever. So I

47:32

get it. Just a little disturbed

47:34

that I'm the source of these things. Cause I'm not

47:36

trying to sow discord. What

47:40

do we do? You know, what do we do? Adam.

47:44

Congratulations. I guess you seem very

47:46

relieved from what I'm reading. I

47:49

would hope, I mean, I don't know

47:51

about Adam's situation or the guy also

47:53

that wrote in about us ending his

47:55

marriage indirectly, but. I

47:59

don't know. If you feel like something's

48:01

wrong after hearing us talk about

48:03

something, I would

48:06

encourage maybe that opens room

48:08

for a conversation for restoration with your wife

48:11

or your husband or

48:13

whatever. Just divorce doesn't necessarily

48:15

need to be the instant go-to. The fact

48:18

that Adam said he immediately... And

48:20

maybe they tried to work it out and it wasn't working out. So

48:22

I don't know the situation I'm not claiming to know, but if

48:26

things aren't working out, primary

48:28

marriage counseling or something like

48:31

that, try to fix, especially

48:33

if there's other people involved, like

48:35

kids. Oh yeah, very

48:37

important. I would make that your first priority

48:39

over divorce, but I understand sometimes that doesn't

48:41

work either. My

48:44

parents got divorced when I was seven, as everyone knows,

48:46

and look at me. Just

48:49

remember that if you're on the practice.

48:54

I think, I don't know, it seems

48:56

like this wasn't a decision that was made lightly though. It

48:58

seems like this is something... This

49:00

is an example, I think, of one of those things, and I might

49:02

be reading a little bit into this, but it seems like

49:05

it's like, I know I have to do this, but

49:07

not enough. I don't know if

49:09

there's... You're

49:12

in your own head about it and you don't have any

49:14

external source of

49:16

advice or any external validation

49:18

for it. And

49:23

so you're like, yeah, I should do this, but it's

49:25

too stressful. It's

49:27

a big decision and I don't know, a

49:30

lot of people are comfortable in the misery that they're

49:32

familiar with as opposed to the

49:34

unknown of the potential happiness that lies in

49:36

the unknown. So I think

49:38

generally what happens here, or what's happening

49:40

here, is that he was just like,

49:42

all right, yeah, I'm good. I'm

49:45

good with this. And that's fair,

49:47

but man, 17 years. That's

49:51

wild. Long time. Long

49:54

time. Long time. Yeah,

49:56

as long as kids aren't involved, I actually do... Listen,

50:00

I actually don't give a fuck. I

50:02

think it's really noble that parents

50:04

stay together for their kids. And

50:08

I think that that should be done

50:10

in most situations if there's kids involved.

50:12

And as long as you're not at each

50:14

other's throats, it's not about you at all

50:17

anymore. And divorce fucked

50:19

my life up in a lot of different ways. And

50:24

I cringe thinking of... Think

50:28

about the difference between Dagan and I and our

50:30

age difference, right? Dagan was graduating high school. So

50:33

he had his whole childhood in this nuclear

50:35

situation with normalcy and all that,

50:37

and I had almost none of it. And

50:40

we came up in the same situation. And I don't

50:43

know. So

50:45

if kids are involved, yes, that's a good point,

50:47

Dustin. I mean, that's an essential, vital

50:49

point. And Adam, Carpe

50:54

Diem, my friend, you know what I mean? Yeah,

50:56

get out there. You get it. You

51:00

get it. J. Rees-Bear wrote in with

51:03

a... sounds like a 19th

51:05

century philosopher's name. Says,

51:08

hey, Colin, as I'm preparing for my mid-year review,

51:10

I was wondering if you do the same for

51:12

your constituents. If you haven't before, would

51:14

you mind giving Dustin and Chris a quick review on how they're

51:16

doing as Sacred Symbols co-hosts? God,

51:18

I hated... Have you

51:20

guys been in positions where you've been reviewed probably, right? Like

51:23

as part of a systemic... I did

51:25

once. Yeah, a long time ago.

51:27

I forgot what it was like, though, to be honest. I have

51:29

no recollection of that. I just know that it happened because I

51:31

remember being like, ah, great. I didn't

51:33

care, I think, because it was at a... It's

51:36

serious. I don't... Right. I'm

51:38

not gonna care. I'm not gonna care. It's

51:41

serious. Well, that seems to be the mantra there, is they've

51:43

shriveled into nothingness. But

51:46

yeah, in my days at IGN, we would have a review every

51:49

six months. So I guess I was reviewed 14 times

51:52

or something like that. Somewhere in

51:55

that range. And I have them all too. I've

51:57

said that before. But

52:00

it's just, I

52:03

don't want to be corporate. Everyone's

52:05

doing great. I don't think we need to,

52:07

if anyone has a problem, they can always tell me. And

52:10

if I have a problem, I'll certainly tell them. But

52:14

otherwise I kind of just want to leave everyone alone.

52:16

I think no news is good news. I

52:19

think letting people be comfortable and develop a cadence and

52:21

an understanding of their position and what they're supposed to

52:23

do, and also bringing a lot of themselves to it

52:26

so that it's not being monitored by me. I

52:30

think I have good creative instincts, but I

52:32

don't think that my creative instincts are the

52:34

best. I think you have to vet everything

52:36

through a knowledgeable, loose group of people that

52:39

feel comfortable giving their feedback, don't feel

52:41

stymied. So no, I've never, Dustin, you've

52:43

been with us now, with me for what,

52:45

five years or something like that? I don't think I've ever sat

52:48

you down about your performance one time. I'm

52:51

very honest. No. Yeah, I

52:53

mean, not in any kind

52:55

of view sense. I mean, we do sit down

52:58

once a year and talk money,

53:00

but that's about it.

53:05

That's breath tax. Yeah, and that was

53:07

the case of my old job too, is that

53:09

I didn't really have reviews either. I've never had

53:11

a normal job though. So I

53:14

would imagine the amount of stress going

53:16

into that situation. And

53:18

man, that would suck. So

53:22

shout out, everyone out there, I'm sure that's the case

53:24

for most people is they get reviews and stuff like

53:26

that. And I guess if you're doing good, you don't

53:28

have anything to necessarily worry about, but I would just

53:30

be the type that would worry about it anyway. So

53:33

yeah, I guess to me, I'm like, if

53:37

you're scheduled for like a review and you're worried

53:39

that you did bad, clearly you didn't do bad

53:41

enough for them to fire you because you're still

53:43

getting reviewed. You know what I mean? So

53:45

like, I just, I never once

53:47

viewed, like, I mean, it only happened to me once, but like,

53:51

clearly it's fine. You know? And

53:55

if there is a problem, they'll tell me and they'll be like, okay.

53:57

And they'll just fix the problem or not.

54:00

It appears. That

54:02

the average ten hours while the bad at Santa

54:04

is a process if you're going to be if

54:06

if if you're doing so tragically bad that like

54:08

you to worry about it you would know before

54:10

your view. I. Think. Austin

54:15

Byron wrote in this Is the Transitional Questions Weekend

54:17

The Video Games Now. Like. The evolutionary.

54:19

like the missing link. A

54:22

Eyes. With. The coming arrival of Chris

54:25

Collins Awesome From and. I wanted to

54:27

share the joys of parenthood with. doesn't. Recently.

54:29

My three year old daughter started watching me play video

54:31

games. Since. She is a big fan

54:33

of Disney Princesses. I took advantage of the opportunity and

54:35

brought the and bought the Kingdom Hearts collection. Now I

54:38

arrive home from work to the Swedes out of my

54:40

daughter's voicing. Dad Can we play Kingdom Hearts? And

54:42

Gretzky would hollow glad to be join me in

54:44

creating the next generation. Of Kingdom

54:46

Hearts fans. Austin Stand

54:49

Down. What?

54:51

Are you doing to the impressionable youth? Can.

54:55

You let these kids be normal. You're going to

54:57

do this to them already. You're going to let

54:59

them the pre k. With. Kingdom

55:01

Hearts Knowledge. Oh

55:03

man, I don't know man. Yeah.

55:06

I might be like a long. I don't know

55:09

though because I feel like there's there's. Interesting.

55:11

thing happening in in society generally really I

55:13

feel like are just accepting of this a

55:15

lot more. but I saw a video of

55:17

of. Like a little like

55:19

a little kid who went to school and his mom

55:22

did his hair like go to. It

55:24

looks fucking ridiculous. These. I got

55:26

the mom let him go and use like so excited I'm

55:28

like damn dude. At.

55:31

My if I was that a like at

55:33

my. If I was at

55:35

age. At the time that I was

55:37

that age and I did that I would have been

55:39

like bludgeoned. Like

55:41

they would have to kill guild mates I

55:43

would be absolutely assassinated by ever since. The

55:46

teachers probably would take me down a flight

55:48

of stairs and last at it. But.

55:51

As I me that kids supercell to go to

55:53

school ago, coop pair and not not even remotely

55:55

worried about getting made fun of. so. Maybe.

55:57

The maybe if I'm new. here

56:00

fair enough. Dustin, will you be

56:02

propagandizing your children at the earliest possible

56:04

moment? Well, Kingdom

56:06

Hearts 4 will come out after

56:09

the baby's born and I plan

56:11

to do some replay stuff, so

56:14

yes, I imagine this will be the

56:16

case. Though, he'll still

56:18

be pretty little at that

56:20

point, like not really

56:22

comprehending what's going on, but that's just

56:24

part of the indoctrination of

56:27

the child. So I don't

56:30

see any problem with that. I think it'll be

56:32

fantastic. We need the next generation of Kingdom Hearts

56:35

fans. And also, here's the thing, I

56:37

know you guys Kingdom Hearts haters, but there

56:40

are a lot worse types of games

56:42

that you could be influencing a kid

56:44

with, like just immediately throwing them into

56:46

Fortnite, Roblox and all this. And not

56:48

that they're inherently bad, but- I think

56:50

you're missing the most obvious culprit, but-

56:53

I think it's Sonic. Oh,

56:56

dude, I got out of

56:58

that. I

57:01

learned, there's a photo of me, and we

57:03

just talked about it, I'm punching out, there's a photo of

57:05

me in a diaper. And I know most Sonic

57:07

fans are still wearing diapers, but

57:10

regardless of age, but I was actually a child wearing

57:12

a diaper playing Sonic. So I knew

57:14

very early on what a

57:16

quality game was and wasn't. Yeah, you were

57:18

corrupted in some

57:20

sense, though. By just the exposure.

57:25

It's like you don't want kids starting smoking cigarettes when

57:28

they're too young, or ever really, but you start smoking

57:30

young and you start really polluting your growing body with

57:33

toxins. Yeah, Sonic is

57:35

sort of like a cigarette, I

57:38

think. In the sense that-

57:40

That's too positive, though. Because there

57:42

are positive qualities of cigarettes. You

57:44

could say, like, oh, the

57:47

nicotine makes you feel good.

57:50

Right. That's what the speed does when

57:52

you're like, ooh, I'm so fast. Ooh,

57:55

it feels so good to go so fast. And

57:58

then suddenly, there's- you

58:00

know, they're 25 and they're looking

58:02

for a boyfriend free girl. And you

58:05

know, it's a mess. I forgot about the

58:07

boyfriend free girl. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. I'm

58:09

a freaking fan. I would hope that you would. Yes,

58:12

well, not anymore. Dug

58:15

deep into my brain. I was I

58:17

was saying this to Micah. I don't know if you guys have

58:19

considered this. You know how you don't remember most of what has

58:21

happened in your life? Like it's just, yeah,

58:23

like a time lapse of nothing. So

58:27

we've been watching Curb Your Enthusiasm. And I've seen

58:29

these episodes many times, right? But

58:31

I don't think about the episodes. Like I

58:33

would never recall episode X. But

58:35

then you see it. And you're like, Oh,

58:37

this happens, this happens, this happens, this happens, and this happens.

58:40

Yeah. And that it's just been indicating to me, I've been

58:42

thinking about it around me, wrapping my mind around it. It's

58:45

like, we actually in our

58:47

brain is all of this weird shit that

58:50

we have no idea how to access. It's not

58:52

triggered in some way. And I

58:54

want to know what these thoughts are. This goes back

58:56

into the vampire robot nostalgia stuff. It's

58:58

actually a great, which is one of the reasons why I want

59:00

to take some of these drugs and like, or

59:03

even just do acid or ever and try to try

59:05

to capture those. Anyway, I just wanted to bring that up. It's

59:08

scary. It's like, it's a very scary thing to know that

59:10

you've never actually forgotten much of what you think you've forgotten.

59:13

How to recall it. Forget

59:16

how to remember, I guess. Right.

59:20

Wow. That's exactly right. Forget

59:22

to remember. Deep.

59:26

Sounds like an emo core band or something.

59:29

It does. They would open for taking back

59:31

Sunday. Yes.

59:33

Yes, certainly. The Long Island Zone. All

59:37

right. Kingdom Hearts fans, stand

59:40

down. All

59:44

right. Let's get into a couple of corrections this week. Kind of a

59:46

clarification and kind of a piece of input

59:48

and a correction as well, which I think are both

59:50

vital before we get into the news. And there's a lot to talk about this

59:52

week. Yeah. Mustard crab cakes right

59:54

in today. Colin, just

59:57

a small correction on last week's episode

59:59

regarding the Hill Diaries. two PSN account debacle,

1:00:01

you said you couldn't think of another instance

1:00:03

of Sony capitulating and completely reversing course on

1:00:05

the decision in response to a fan outcry.

1:00:07

Yeah, I said in between the

1:00:10

way they reacted to the PSN outage was the last time

1:00:12

I remember them really saying anything like apologetic

1:00:15

to anyone. And then

1:00:17

he, but Buster says one that came to mind was the

1:00:19

scheduled closure of the PlayStation 3 and PS Vita storefronts back

1:00:21

in 2021. There's an April 19, 2021 post on the

1:00:25

official PlayStation blog from Jim Ryan that reads quote,

1:00:27

recently, we notified players at PlayStation store for PS3

1:00:29

and PS Vita devices was planned to end the

1:00:31

summer. Upon further reflection, however, it's clear

1:00:33

that we made the wrong decision here. So today, I'm

1:00:36

happy to say that we will be keeping the PlayStation

1:00:38

store operational for PS3 and PS Vita devices, end quote,

1:00:40

not only are the stores still up as of writing, they

1:00:42

will actually outlast the Xbox 360 store as

1:00:45

of July 29, 2024, barring an unforeseen announcement from Sony. Thanks for

1:00:47

all the great

1:00:49

content. And rather than bully Dustin, less I request

1:00:51

that you simply bully Chris Moore. I

1:00:55

think it's supposed that could be arranged. Yeah, but

1:00:57

it's gotta be natural. All

1:00:59

right, so this is a good example. This is, this is

1:01:03

somewhat of what I'm talking about, but it is a great poll. I

1:01:05

didn't think of it all. But I was thinking

1:01:07

more about, and I guess he does

1:01:09

say like, we've, we got it wrong. I'm thinking

1:01:11

about the famous Sony executives bowing shot, right? If

1:01:13

people don't know what I'm talking about, you should

1:01:16

go look that up. It's very interesting. When

1:01:18

the PSN outage happened, the

1:01:21

some Japanese executives, some of who you'll recognize

1:01:23

gave a press conference

1:01:25

in Tokyo, and then stood up

1:01:27

and bowed for seconds,

1:01:29

like quite a while, to

1:01:32

show their apology, you know, how apologetic

1:01:34

they were for what was a really

1:01:37

heinous situation for a major corporation like

1:01:39

that to get into and obviously fucked the PSN up for

1:01:41

a long time as people on PSD rule remember. So

1:01:45

that was still the worst and still the most

1:01:47

apologetic I've ever seen them be. But yeah, I

1:01:49

would say that that joins the brief

1:01:52

pantheon of Sony

1:01:54

apologizing moments. All

1:01:57

right. And finally, other inquiry,

1:01:59

finishing Castrol or other

1:02:01

correction. What's up sacred gentle sirs quick correction regarding

1:02:03

the few last few weeks Collin

1:02:05

has repeatedly mentioned the possibility of games like Ghost of

1:02:07

Tsushima 2 or the new uncharted game releasing later this

1:02:09

year and when we already know Both

1:02:11

of those aren't coming out this year Hiroki to

1:02:13

Toki literature Club expressed in Sony's previous investor briefing

1:02:16

That there will be no major existing franchise titles released

1:02:18

in the current fiscal year This almost assuredly includes

1:02:20

franchises like Ghost of Tsushima and uncharted. Thanks for

1:02:22

the great show And as always, how

1:02:25

can I be homophobic? I blew his fucking brains out

1:02:27

Vincent Thank you for

1:02:29

writing in It's a good point

1:02:33

Think I'm kind of getting my own myself mixed up a little bit

1:02:35

because I'm talking more about What

1:02:37

I think might be shown at this upcoming

1:02:39

showcase that might even be Well,

1:02:42

it's gonna be by the end of the month Also,

1:02:44

we're gonna talk about the financials in a little while, but they did

1:02:46

note in that that there's going to be group by group Kind

1:02:50

of presentations at the end of the month. I think they said

1:02:52

May 31st So we'll probably have

1:02:54

some more PlayStation more corporate shit to talk about It might

1:02:56

be the first time that the new CEO is talking. Well

1:02:59

getting that briefly but are in a

1:03:01

little while rather in a brief time But

1:03:03

her okay to Sohi literature Club did indeed clarify

1:03:07

That there would be no major releases from known

1:03:09

franchises. So you are right I think

1:03:11

we're gonna see Concord obviously and in told

1:03:13

on and maybe

1:03:15

one other thing maybe like a Astrobot

1:03:18

although that is an existing franchise as well,

1:03:20

although not a major existing franchise. So anyway,

1:03:22

we'll see But Vincent, thank

1:03:24

you for the clarification All

1:03:27

right, let's get into some

1:03:29

of the news here so

1:03:32

HBO Well,

1:03:35

it's max now I guess which is a little annoying

1:03:38

they tweeted out that

1:03:40

the last of the season two will be indeed coming

1:03:42

to HBO in 2025 and They

1:03:46

just tweeted out a couple of pictures see

1:03:48

Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal playing

1:03:51

their respective roles of Ellie and Joel

1:03:54

and A few other images

1:03:56

have been circulating that have been I don't know if you

1:03:58

guys saw that have been taken on set by

1:04:01

people probably illicitly so

1:04:03

nothing really too crazy to show but I'm just wondering

1:04:05

how everyone's feeling. I'm quite excited to get

1:04:08

back into this. I'm very intrigued to see in which direction

1:04:10

they go. Dustin,

1:04:13

do these images tickle anything in you at all? I

1:04:15

mean I guess the image of Pedro

1:04:17

Pascal is in a pretty familiar place if you've played

1:04:19

the Lasos Part II which is cool. That's

1:04:22

about all I have to say about it I guess but

1:04:24

I am intrigued. I mean it's gonna be awesome right? I

1:04:26

mean obviously it's gonna be awesome. The first season was awesome.

1:04:28

It's gonna be awesome. Yeah, well that's the

1:04:30

thing that stuck out to me is just it

1:04:32

looks like you said a

1:04:35

recognizable scene from the second game

1:04:37

specifically the picture of Pedro

1:04:40

Pascal as Joel looking nice.

1:04:43

The slicked back hair pretty

1:04:46

sexy in some ways. So

1:04:49

I guess we could take from this potentially

1:04:51

this will just be the

1:04:53

Lasos Part II because we

1:04:55

had theorized about what if they kind of

1:04:57

tried to stretch things out, try to do

1:05:01

some new stuff that maybe hadn't been

1:05:03

explored in the game because there's a time gap

1:05:05

between Part I and Part II. Maybe that's the

1:05:07

direction they were going but maybe

1:05:10

we're just gonna see them go right into

1:05:12

Part II which is gonna

1:05:14

be something. It's gonna

1:05:16

be something certainly. Oh

1:05:18

my god. It's gonna ruin people's lives.

1:05:21

You know like people that are invested in the show

1:05:23

and don't know. Anyway

1:05:26

Chris, are you looking forward?

1:05:28

Did you get through? You got through. Didn't we

1:05:30

do the polar cast together? Yeah. So I don't

1:05:32

know if we did this but I did watch

1:05:34

the show though. Okay cool. Yeah so

1:05:36

you excited? Does this do anything for

1:05:38

you? Does this tickle you? Yeah

1:05:41

I mean I'm looking forward to see. I

1:05:43

am not really convinced that they're not going

1:05:45

to change things up. I

1:05:49

think they're definitely going to follow the Last of

1:05:51

Us Part II. I just feel like there's

1:05:54

too much room for improvement

1:05:56

in my opinion of just how they

1:05:58

paced that game out. to not

1:06:00

take advantage of the fact that TV kind of

1:06:03

allows for that in a more dynamic way. I

1:06:05

mean, we even saw it in some ways with

1:06:07

the Last of Us Part

1:06:10

One, or the Last

1:06:12

of Us Season One, I should say, where they gave Bill

1:06:15

that entire extra fleshed

1:06:17

out story. It might not even... I don't know

1:06:20

if they'll like redo the entire show or

1:06:22

like redo the entire game in the sense

1:06:24

that they're going to change like drastic key plot

1:06:27

points, but I do think that's... I do think it's going

1:06:29

to be paced differently. That's just my

1:06:31

gut feeling, but I'm looking forward to

1:06:33

it. I think it's a solid show.

1:06:35

I think they're solid actors, solid performers.

1:06:37

Bella Ramsey looks

1:06:40

a little bit better this time. Like it looks... she

1:06:43

looks less... something about her... seeing

1:06:45

the first season seemed uncanny, and I think it's because I

1:06:47

could tell on some level that's like you're like 20 something.

1:06:51

Like I just kind of knew that inherently. So it's like,

1:06:53

okay, this is more appropriate. It

1:06:55

feels more normal, but yeah,

1:06:57

I'm looking forward to it. Yeah,

1:07:00

I'm excited. I'm disappointed it took so long, but

1:07:02

obviously things were interrupted by the writer strike and

1:07:04

some other things. So it's going to take

1:07:06

their time and they don't have to go so fast because I mean, if they

1:07:08

are following the games and there's nowhere to go from here. So

1:07:13

we'll see. Very, very interesting. I'm so

1:07:15

excited to see should they follow the story, like

1:07:17

we said, how normal

1:07:20

audiences on associated with the game will react

1:07:23

to what happens in the game. Then

1:07:25

a lot happens in the game. I wonder if they'll be able to get it

1:07:28

all done in eight

1:07:30

or 10 episodes or if they'll try to split into two.

1:07:33

That I suspect is going to be the

1:07:35

outcome. Yeah. Yeah. All

1:07:38

right. Another piece of news that's been circulating that

1:07:40

was interesting, although I don't know exactly what to make of

1:07:42

it, is that

1:07:44

Bungie's long time CTO,

1:07:48

Luis Valleggas, I guess you would

1:07:50

say his name is, he

1:07:53

left Bungie, but has gone to PlayStation

1:07:56

and he's been CTO,

1:07:58

I guess, since... around when

1:08:00

the pandemic began, but prior

1:08:03

to that was the lead engineer of, began

1:08:05

as a software. So I was reading about

1:08:07

him. I guess he started as a software

1:08:09

engineer, working on Halo 3, then

1:08:12

left Bungie and went to EA, worked

1:08:14

on the Madden team, then went back to Bungie

1:08:16

and then worked on

1:08:18

Destiny, Destiny 2, and

1:08:20

Rose to like an engineering lead and engineering

1:08:23

manager. And then he's like on

1:08:25

the board of directors and the

1:08:27

CTO and so on and

1:08:29

so forth. So this is a pretty interesting, it is

1:08:32

literally a lateral move because he is,

1:08:35

you know, now that Sony owns Bungie, going

1:08:38

to the mothership is a promotion, even

1:08:40

if he's being, he's technically no longer an

1:08:42

executive level person, I guess. But what

1:08:46

do we think of this? And are

1:08:48

we interested? His new role is head

1:08:50

of technology, creative and services. So

1:08:53

basically, this is PlayStation's CTO of

1:08:55

content, as he describes him on

1:08:57

LinkedIn. Do you know who this person

1:08:59

is, Chris, from your experience? This is

1:09:01

a newer name to me. It doesn't sound super

1:09:03

familiar. I don't remember, I don't think he's ever

1:09:06

appeared in any of the vidocs that I remember

1:09:08

them doing back in the day. This

1:09:10

is a relatively fresh name for me, but I

1:09:12

mean, I guess

1:09:15

what confuses me about this, if

1:09:17

anything, if I'm to take anything

1:09:19

away from this story, it's, it's, Bungie,

1:09:24

are they on the shit list or not? You

1:09:27

know what I mean? Like, how does how does Sony feel about

1:09:29

Bungie to the point where he's like, okay, well, we're gonna grab

1:09:31

this guy and kind of put him put him in

1:09:33

the mothership. I was like, didn't they like cause kind of like a big

1:09:36

problem for you? I don't know.

1:09:39

Maybe, maybe that's not his fault. Maybe he's like super good at

1:09:41

what he does. And like, they acknowledge that it's like, yo, you

1:09:43

got to come with us. That's

1:09:45

totally fair. It's just it's just an inch.

1:09:47

It's interesting to see that lateral move made

1:09:50

from a studio that I believe

1:09:52

even I'm pretty sure even

1:09:54

Hiroki, Hiroki Todoki, I

1:09:57

can't say that name without giggling. talked

1:10:00

about in like a not

1:10:03

explicitly derogatory way, but kind of like, you know, they

1:10:05

don't know what they're doing over there. You

1:10:08

know, so that's my point of curiosity

1:10:10

for this. You know,

1:10:12

yeah, I wonder. So

1:10:15

I don't know if you guys saw that that there's a story going

1:10:17

around that we reported on many, many months ago and put this, it's

1:10:20

like people are reporting this, like it's new news. It's

1:10:22

not new news at all. We've known this

1:10:24

since December, but that the Jason Blundell, kind

1:10:26

of making like a new

1:10:28

team at Sony and these guys are from

1:10:30

Deviation, which

1:10:33

was a studio, a second party studio that's since closed down

1:10:35

that Sony kind of pulled their support

1:10:37

from at some point during the project.

1:10:39

And it seems like what Sony did was

1:10:41

just potentially took the game, but definitely

1:10:43

took all the key talent that they wanted and then

1:10:46

just let the studio fail and hired them directly. Now

1:10:48

I don't think that that's what they're doing with Bungie, but there is an

1:10:51

interesting analog to be

1:10:53

made between the things about like, well,

1:10:55

maybe we're just getting some of the talent we want before

1:10:57

we really send people in to

1:10:59

take this thing over because that I think

1:11:01

is the inevitable outcome for, for

1:11:03

Bungie. Unfortunately, I, I don't know. I don't think

1:11:05

I put it in the financial writeup we're going

1:11:07

to do later, but I listened

1:11:09

to the Japanese earnings call and there's

1:11:12

like a Q and A afterwards and

1:11:15

Heroku Tutoki says that

1:11:17

when asked about like studios that

1:11:20

are making money, studios that aren't and where things

1:11:22

are coming from that Bungie will not add any

1:11:24

positive revenue this fiscal year. And

1:11:26

this is with the final shape coming out. And

1:11:29

he was saying that marathon obviously is under development and it's

1:11:31

taking a lot of money and stuff like that, but it

1:11:33

just seems to me like this thing is ripe to be

1:11:36

taken over by Sony people. And so maybe they're, they're extracting

1:11:38

the people they want before that happens. That's

1:11:40

just the conspiracy theory though. Dustin,

1:11:42

what do you think? Yeah, I honestly don't

1:11:45

really know what to think. I think that

1:11:47

that theory about them may be trying to

1:11:49

grab some people, make some sense, especially in

1:11:52

light of that other studio situation that you

1:11:54

mentioned. Yeah,

1:11:56

the Bungie situation, it feels

1:11:59

so up and down. with them because I feel like now

1:12:02

with some of the recent updates and the previews or

1:12:05

just the stuff they've revealed about Final

1:12:07

Shape, people seem to be positive about

1:12:09

it. But I

1:12:11

just wonder if that's going to translate to anything

1:12:14

of note in terms of sales really

1:12:17

just because Bungie

1:12:19

or not Bungie, but Destiny is so

1:12:22

difficult to get into that they really

1:12:25

have a finite amount of people that

1:12:27

they can really capitalize on for that.

1:12:32

I'm sure there will be some people that are

1:12:34

like, see the Final Shape, I'm going to get

1:12:36

into Destiny. I just don't see that

1:12:38

that being a very common

1:12:40

situation. So we'll have to

1:12:42

see what happens with that. That's not too far off

1:12:44

now, right? Final Shape? June

1:12:47

6th, I want to say something like that. Yeah. It

1:12:49

was one of only two games that they showcased from first

1:12:51

party and there's financials for the fiscal year. The

1:12:53

other being Concord, which we'll talk about in a

1:12:55

little while confirming that that's coming. But we knew

1:12:57

that. Guys, do you want to hear a strange

1:13:01

fucking story? Oh

1:13:03

yeah. Insider Gaming reports

1:13:07

that Lego and PlayStation are working on a

1:13:09

new game called the Lego Horizon Adventures. Now

1:13:12

I originally had this in the write up just

1:13:15

as the story linked to... So

1:13:17

Tom Henderson is the famous leaker

1:13:19

on the internet that

1:13:22

is the source of many of these interesting stories. And

1:13:24

his website, Insider Gaming, is reporting this now. But in fact,

1:13:26

what I had originally had in our write up was basically

1:13:28

the acknowledgement of just a tweet that he put out, which

1:13:31

I thought was interesting. And I'm glad that he followed it

1:13:33

up with a story because I'm like, why isn't there a

1:13:35

story about this? Where he basically said

1:13:37

explicitly, there is a Lego Horizon game coming

1:13:40

and people have started reporting on this tweet. So

1:13:43

that's what I originally had. But actually at the time

1:13:45

we're recording, I think it actually was posted today. Yeah.

1:13:49

The day we're recording, they finally posted a story

1:13:51

on his website, Insider Gaming, saying, Lego

1:13:53

and PlayStation are working on a new game called Lego

1:13:55

Horizon Adventures, like I noted. And here's

1:13:58

what the brief story says. PlayStation

1:14:00

are developing a new game called Lego Horizon

1:14:02

Adventures. Last week, trademark

1:14:04

finder, Kurakasis, tweeted that

1:14:06

Sony and Lego were soon to announce the collaboration of

1:14:08

a well-known IP. At the time, Kurakasis

1:14:10

revealed the game, but as what seems to be

1:14:12

an obligatory from insiders these days, I vaguely tweeted

1:14:14

that the project was on the horizon. Speaking

1:14:16

with sources, it was said that the game is

1:14:19

essentially Horizon Forbidden West but Lego, and that the

1:14:21

game will have realistic graphics, whatever that means for

1:14:23

a Lego game. While the exact details of

1:14:25

the game are unclear, I got wind of

1:14:27

an advertisement trailer for the game, which was completed

1:14:29

last month, which suggests that an announcement is on

1:14:31

its way, although admittedly could be delayed. But

1:14:34

combining this information with Kurakasis' latest tweet, who

1:14:36

finds the majority of his information via trademark

1:14:38

filings, it suggests that the trademark has recently

1:14:40

been registered, brownie points to anyone who finds

1:14:42

it. Backing up that announcement could be

1:14:44

soon. Exact details on when the game

1:14:46

will be announced are unclear, but recent rumors of a PlayStation

1:14:48

showcase in the coming weeks align nicely with what is happening

1:14:51

with this game, with the trademarks

1:14:53

and the trailers and so on. Yes.

1:14:58

Lego Horizon. So do

1:15:00

we have to add this game now to

1:15:03

the list of Horizon games that is ever

1:15:06

growing, rumored, some confirmed? What

1:15:09

do you think? This will be coming this year,

1:15:11

I assume. Yeah, I mean,

1:15:13

I can't get enough of it. You

1:15:15

know, I'm so stoked. You won't get

1:15:18

enough. For yeah, man, like,

1:15:20

oh, so much Horizon, so little time.

1:15:22

I cannot fathom why.

1:15:26

Like, this is one of the

1:15:28

most confusing things I think I've

1:15:31

ever seen. Because how many

1:15:33

Horizon games are there even in development at this

1:15:35

point? So we've got we've got presumably the sequel

1:15:38

to the third. That's the third and final game in

1:15:40

the trilogy. Right. We've got

1:15:42

the MMO. Right. The

1:15:44

and then the other standalone

1:15:46

multiplayer game, presumably. Right. And

1:15:49

was there was there something else? Zero Dawn remake.

1:15:52

Oh, right. Zero Dawn remake. Very necessary.

1:15:54

The very necessary Horizon Zero Dawn remake.

1:15:56

And now I guess her and now

1:15:58

Horizon Forbidden West. But hold on

1:16:01

with Lego. Okay.

1:16:05

I all right. I'm

1:16:08

just it's interesting. What are they doing? I don't

1:16:10

know. What is it? What

1:16:13

is it in Horizon? Look, I I

1:16:16

don't love Horizon. Okay, like I don't I don't love it. Love

1:16:18

it. But like I don't hate it by any means but

1:16:21

I don't understand. I

1:16:24

don't know if I understand what they see

1:16:26

in this IP specifically that justifies

1:16:29

this amount of like spreading

1:16:33

the spreading the field in this

1:16:35

way. Like it's I

1:16:38

I get it on some level for a multiplayer because

1:16:40

it's like oh, it's actually got good combat. It's like,

1:16:42

okay, cool. Yeah, maybe maybe like a Monster Hunter kind

1:16:44

of like cooperative thing. Cool MMO. Okay,

1:16:48

maybe Lego. Okay.

1:16:57

I feel exasperated. Thinking

1:16:59

about this. It's too much. It's

1:17:02

just too much. They did do like the real life

1:17:04

Lego set right of the hall

1:17:06

neck or whatever, which was kind of cool. Actually,

1:17:08

my nephew has it which is random. I wonder if he

1:17:10

even knows about this. I have to tell him to be very excited. But

1:17:14

there's something about I would

1:17:17

like to understand more about the

1:17:20

conspiracy theories than me says it's Herman Holst, right?

1:17:23

Like oh, yeah, but

1:17:25

it can't possibly be that right. It

1:17:28

can't be him showing this level of preferential

1:17:30

treatment to his own studio that he comes

1:17:32

from. I just don't know if that can

1:17:34

be so it's got to

1:17:36

be because he just got promoted. We'll talk about

1:17:38

that. It's like that's so that's

1:17:41

so vapid and weird. You wouldn't do it for

1:17:43

that reason. So they must have some sort of

1:17:46

data or some sort of indication.

1:17:48

So let me let me feed you feed it to you this

1:17:50

way and Dustin. Let's get you in volunteering get you on the

1:17:53

record about this Lego Horizon game and what

1:17:55

you think. Tom

1:17:57

says it's essentially Forbidden West. Is

1:18:01

it some sort of way to extract value out of a game that

1:18:03

exists? In other words, like you kind of, I

1:18:06

don't know, like I don't even, because it's in decimal. It's

1:18:08

like, I doubt the game would be built in decimal, but

1:18:11

it's like, you somehow ingest this world and then like,

1:18:14

is it some sort of smart play to say

1:18:16

like, we're going to make an easy X amount

1:18:18

of money on this by allowing Traveler's Tale

1:18:20

or whoever's doing it to

1:18:23

fuck around with this, this thing that already

1:18:25

kind of exists. You don't have to design it. You

1:18:27

don't have to worry about the way it works. And

1:18:29

they bring kind of their conventions of

1:18:32

LEGO games to the series. But I'm

1:18:34

with Chris that I like, I don't like Horizon. I

1:18:36

love Horizon. I think Horizon's really great. I just don't

1:18:38

know. This

1:18:40

is like not the series that I would have

1:18:43

chosen to exploit like this, to be honest. I

1:18:45

would have actually gone for like, first of all,

1:18:47

I think the most obvious thing to exploit is

1:18:49

Uncharted. But if you're not going to do that,

1:18:51

then it's God of War before

1:18:53

Horizon. So it is

1:18:55

interesting. They don't really show it very much respect in this

1:18:57

regard. What are your thoughts? I was

1:18:59

thinking back to the rumors of

1:19:01

the Horizon Zero Dawn remake.

1:19:03

Like I've been looking and trying to

1:19:06

remember exactly where they came from and what they

1:19:08

said. Hear me out here. What

1:19:11

if this is the remake and

1:19:13

they're just remaking it in a different way?

1:19:16

Because this reporting says

1:19:18

if it is essentially Horizon

1:19:20

Forbidden West but LEGO, so

1:19:23

you could say they're remaking the

1:19:25

game in LEGO.

1:19:27

Yeah. And because specifically this remake,

1:19:29

and we've got, you know,

1:19:31

Last of Us Part 1 remastered, which

1:19:34

felt confusing in a lot of ways.

1:19:36

We got Last of Us Part 2

1:19:38

remastered, which felt also

1:19:40

confusing. This one clearly, since they

1:19:43

went, this one specifically being

1:19:45

Horizon Zero Dawn, felt the

1:19:47

most confusing because they did the patch

1:19:49

that enabled the PS5 to get the

1:19:51

60 FPS, get all this extra stuff.

1:19:53

It's like, what is there really to

1:19:55

do for this game? Maybe

1:19:58

this is it. That would be Pretty

1:20:02

interesting because it actually would be like yeah, you're

1:20:05

playing the same game But it is I don't

1:20:07

know is it geared more appealing

1:20:10

towards kids though, man

1:20:12

I don't know if Legos are necessarily even they've

1:20:14

never been just for kids But I'm convinced that

1:20:16

all adults like Legos more than than kids do

1:20:18

but there's a tweet going around of a guy

1:20:20

in Disney World Saying like there are no adult.

1:20:23

There's no kids rather at the lightsaber Construction

1:20:25

thing or whatever like the hilt. Oh, I

1:20:27

believe that. Yeah, so Dude,

1:20:31

I saw the price of Legos recently. They're doing Like

1:20:35

the eye of Sauron kit for

1:20:37

Lord of the Rings. I'm like man that looks cool I'm

1:20:40

pretty sure it was over That's

1:20:44

it. Are you crazy? Yeah

1:20:47

a lot of I think there was a giant there's

1:20:49

like a giant Millennium Falcon that I think was like 800

1:20:52

or something some of these are Pushing a

1:20:54

thousand bucks for some of these like

1:20:56

lego sets so people like Legos, man

1:20:59

I don't I Don't

1:21:01

know. I did I we talked about the

1:21:04

Lego Seinfeld apartment on the show before I'm

1:21:06

sure I remember Yeah, definitely ended

1:21:08

up getting it but that was something I definitely thought about

1:21:10

I definitely was like, hmm Do I did I do this?

1:21:12

I also thought about it and I also did not end

1:21:15

up getting it Yeah, I

1:21:17

did. Oh, they're not in here. I don't think I did get

1:21:19

my Mega Man figures though Do you know the ones that just

1:21:21

came out from that company Jada or whatever data? No,

1:21:24

yeah, you're really nice figures They're like the finest

1:21:26

Mega Man figures ever dude. I'm like, oh my

1:21:28

god. I'm so excited for for

1:21:30

them to do more They're gonna be fucking sick Sick

1:21:33

release every one of them every

1:21:36

robot All of them. How

1:21:38

do you feel about a Lego Mega Man game? Oh,

1:21:40

I'd love that. I'll take anything at home Yeah,

1:21:42

yeah like a mega man would be sick I

1:21:45

mean, that's the kind of game that because it the

1:21:47

mini figs like being all the different robots and

1:21:50

all I mean Yeah, slam-dome

1:21:52

actually works really well actually now they think about

1:21:54

it actually it's not that bad of an idea No,

1:21:57

it isn't. What do you think about

1:21:59

this theory that this? is the remake? Yeah,

1:22:01

no, it's a rock solid, rock

1:22:03

solid, I think analysis. And

1:22:07

could very well be where the wires were crossed

1:22:09

or whatever. I

1:22:11

don't know, man. What do you think doesn't about too

1:22:13

much horizon? I mean, it's

1:22:16

a lot of horizon. Is it? All

1:22:18

right, so let's analyze it.

1:22:21

I feel like it is. But 2017 zero dawn. 2022 was horizon? Yeah, well,

1:22:23

yeah, because it

1:22:32

was around Elden Ring, right? Right.

1:22:34

That's exactly right. So that was 2022. So Forbidden

1:22:36

West was 2022. And then the VR

1:22:38

game was last year, 23. And then we

1:22:41

haven't gotten anything this year. So maybe we got a

1:22:43

LEGO game this year. I mean, they are ramping up.

1:22:45

It just I guess it just feels like at the

1:22:47

end of the day, it's gonna be too much horizon.

1:22:51

A horizon MMO with a South Korean kind of

1:22:53

flair is interesting. The

1:22:55

multiplayer game is obvious. And

1:22:58

it seems like that they wanted to get multiplayer in

1:23:00

the game since the very beginning. I mean, it begs for

1:23:02

multiplayer in some sense, I don't want to play with

1:23:04

multiplayer, but I can see why people would want

1:23:06

to play. I mean, it's so fucking awesome. The

1:23:08

combat horizon is the best part of the game.

1:23:12

And I love pretty much everything about it. But it's

1:23:15

fun as fuck to play. So I

1:23:17

get all these different things. But I just do

1:23:19

wonder where the actual if there's actual

1:23:21

demand, because of course, like we said, we're also forgetting that

1:23:23

there's going to be a third game. I mean, there's a

1:23:27

the second game ends on

1:23:29

a fucking massive cliffhanger massive, massive

1:23:31

cliffhanger. So

1:23:34

humongous cliffhanger, in my opinion.

1:23:36

So obviously, that's gonna happen. And that'll probably be some

1:23:38

sort of, you would imagine maybe that would

1:23:41

be a PS six launch game, that would be pretty sick. And

1:23:44

it would also be on PS five, I'm sure. Right.

1:23:47

I wonder, because there's also the Netflix show.

1:23:50

And we haven't we haven't

1:23:52

heard about that recently. But we

1:23:55

know Sony likes their their synergy.

1:23:58

But I don't think that shows even started filming

1:24:00

like I'm looking on

1:24:03

D'Extero says no we would

1:24:05

know we would know if it had yeah report it so that's

1:24:07

a long ways off but

1:24:11

I definitely feel like when

1:24:13

we hear about all these projects at once

1:24:16

I mean we know of as many projects

1:24:18

in the horizon world we know more about

1:24:21

as far as like a digit there are

1:24:23

more that we know about that haven't happened

1:24:25

yet but we have currently oh yeah so

1:24:27

knowing about them all at once definitely feels

1:24:29

overwhelming I guess it's gonna depend on how

1:24:32

often they're doled out what each

1:24:35

unique thing has and

1:24:37

what they bring to the table because I imagine the

1:24:40

MMO will be significantly different

1:24:42

from what we know horizon currently

1:24:44

to be the multiplayer as you said it

1:24:46

sounds like something they wanted to do for a while

1:24:49

so that could bring its own flair

1:24:51

as well as long as

1:24:53

these are spaced out and provide unique

1:24:55

things I think you could still argue

1:24:57

it's too much but if

1:25:00

the sales are are there then I guess

1:25:04

not yeah I'm looking just

1:25:06

to make sure yeah so

1:25:09

it's worth noting that if there's a decent

1:25:12

chance that the NC soft horizon MMO is

1:25:14

not even a console game although we talked

1:25:16

about how that would be insane if it wasn't

1:25:18

a console game like how could you not release

1:25:20

it on console but they've really almost with the

1:25:22

exception of that fuser game they did with harmonics

1:25:24

which was kind of like this random rhythm game

1:25:27

that they they incubated they really don't do console

1:25:29

games so what'd be interesting if they were trying to

1:25:31

just aim at different at different places with the games

1:25:33

but that would be almost unthinkable

1:25:36

to not release it on ps5 2

1:25:38

yeah and ps4 I mean if you wanted to

1:25:40

be fucking crazy with it all

1:25:44

right well keep an eye on that I think we're gonna learn about this game

1:25:46

very soon boys and who

1:25:48

am I kidding I'm gonna be all over it well

1:25:50

whatever it doesn't

1:25:56

I was gonna get even further into it I was gonna just say that

1:25:58

for bit like He's saying it's

1:26:00

like it's Forbidden West so it seems like maybe that's what it

1:26:02

is but it would have been cooler if they even waited until

1:26:04

the third game was over and then they did a Horizon

1:26:07

Lego game that kind of celebrated and was able to

1:26:11

Imbue all of Horizon from the beginning to be like

1:26:13

much like our world Right.

1:26:16

Yeah. Yeah, it would it would be yeah I

1:26:18

mean I would probably if it plays like Forbidden

1:26:20

West, but it but it's a Lego game where

1:26:22

if I'm remembering correctly Dude,

1:26:25

the Lego games like they don't have

1:26:27

people speaking in them. Do they maybe they do now?

1:26:31

Right, but I'm pretty sure like I remember them being like

1:26:33

kind of silent. Yeah I thought it was always like a

1:26:35

motive or something like it was like a Like

1:26:38

a noise or like a like a like

1:26:40

an emoji sort of thing Yeah they would they would act

1:26:42

it they would like almost like pantomime a lot of the

1:26:44

important which is great because like If I could play a

1:26:47

game that plays like Horizon, but Aloy shuts the fuck up.

1:26:49

I think I would like that a lot Yeah,

1:26:51

so everyone hates you a little sorry

1:26:56

I'm sorry, Aloy Alright,

1:26:58

so we'll keep an eye out for that and Yeah,

1:27:01

I think we'll learn about that soon. It's interesting. I'm

1:27:03

always fascinated by projects like that. It's like wow that

1:27:05

really didn't leak At

1:27:08

least yeah, not in a way that

1:27:10

was recognizable until right before like when

1:27:12

trailers were being circulated internally.

1:27:14

So anyway Just

1:27:17

wanted to note this so Ghost of Tsushima's PC port is

1:27:19

out you can go get

1:27:21

it right now on Steam and Nix

1:27:24

is which is the Sony owned PC

1:27:26

port studio that worked alongside sucker

1:27:28

punch to get this game out Released

1:27:31

a little write-up on Twitter that I've linked you

1:27:33

here in our document and by the way,

1:27:35

they use Twitter in a way I've never seen it you did you click

1:27:37

on this link and look at it. It's like how did they do this?

1:27:40

It looks like a website. It's like an article.

1:27:42

Yeah. Yeah, really nice It's like I've never seen

1:27:44

anyone do do a tweet like this. So it's

1:27:47

really nicely done But there's something there's a

1:27:49

note in here because they talk about steam deck support and everything So

1:27:53

they wanted to know legends cooperative multiplayer. So

1:27:55

you'll remember that Ghost of Tsushima on ps4

1:27:58

Got two updates and PS4 PS5

1:28:00

later in the Eke Island update

1:28:02

and then you got the Legends update

1:28:04

and the Eke Island update was like

1:28:06

the expansion and Legends was the multiplayer

1:28:08

cooperative multiplayer functionality that was added. And

1:28:10

this will be in the PC version too, all of it. But

1:28:13

they noted, quote, as previously announced, Legends co-op

1:28:15

multiplayer mode will include crossplay between players on

1:28:18

PS4 consoles, PS5 consoles and PC. Legends

1:28:21

will be functional on PC at launch, but you won't

1:28:23

be automatically matched with players on different platforms. Crossplay

1:28:25

will launch in beta, meaning you can try it out

1:28:28

by inviting your PlayStation network friends. We would love your

1:28:30

feedback as we continue to make adjustments in the weeks

1:28:32

following launch. So something worth

1:28:34

noting, if you care about exploring that functionality,

1:28:36

I don't think most people are going to care very much about this. I

1:28:38

don't think that's why they're playing Ghost of Tsushima. And by the way, I

1:28:42

think that we showed understanding and kind

1:28:44

of nuance with the Helldivers 2 Steam

1:28:47

situation, but people are already review bombing

1:28:49

Ghost of Tsushima. Get fucked.

1:28:52

What are you doing? That's ridiculous. You

1:28:54

know? It's

1:28:56

what I looked before we

1:28:58

started recording. It's mixed right now on Steam. And

1:29:01

I was reading the reviews and people were like buying

1:29:03

the game, leaving a review and then returning it basically.

1:29:05

Or that's what they were saying. They

1:29:07

were doing. I can't believe you can even do that. And

1:29:10

just because it's not available in countries that don't support

1:29:12

PSN. Aren't

1:29:15

you more upset that PSN isn't available in

1:29:17

the countries that don't support PSN? And if

1:29:19

you think, isn't it interesting that Sony does

1:29:21

30 billion dollars of revenue a

1:29:23

year operating in only the countries that it's in

1:29:25

right now? I'm not saying that we don't want

1:29:27

it to expand, but certainly there's a reason why

1:29:29

it's not available in these places. That's

1:29:32

a deeper economic question. And

1:29:36

being upset about that is being upset at

1:29:38

the corporation. But again,

1:29:40

you're injuring the developers by

1:29:42

doing. I just don't understand this. This comes off

1:29:44

as babyish to me. Like really at

1:29:47

this point, because you have to sign in the

1:29:49

PSN or because someone in fucking Albania can't buy

1:29:51

Ghost of Tsushima right now on PC. Give me

1:29:53

a break, dude. Yeah, there's no. You know, what

1:29:55

is there no end to the complaining? No.

1:29:58

Yeah. This is where I think

1:30:00

it crosses the line where it's like, not

1:30:03

the line because even that sounds like a bit, a

1:30:05

bit extreme, but I feel like there

1:30:07

was righteousness to the hell diversity situation because they sold

1:30:09

the game to people who would eventually have to get

1:30:11

that game revoked out of their libraries, which is at

1:30:15

the very least like an unethical thing to do. Um,

1:30:18

so there was a reason to be upset about that. Um,

1:30:21

and there's, I totally, I totally agree with like

1:30:23

how that whole thing shook up. Like it makes

1:30:25

perfect sense that you would, even if it's a

1:30:27

short, even if it's a small subset of

1:30:29

the player base, um, it is important that

1:30:31

people kind of like rally behind that, that

1:30:34

kind of thing because any amount of money, like your money

1:30:36

is just as valuable as that person's money. Um,

1:30:39

and so I think that was righteous and it was just this,

1:30:42

they're very clearly not making that mistake. They're just being

1:30:44

like, Hey, listen, this is a requirement for the game.

1:30:46

And we learned, we're not going to sell the game

1:30:48

to you if you can't do this because that would

1:30:51

be unethical. So like, it's not going to be available

1:30:53

to those places. And I think, I think that's, I

1:30:55

mean, that sucks, but it's not like an unethical thing.

1:30:57

And it's not something that is worth, um,

1:31:01

this type of backlash. Um,

1:31:04

if you want Sony to be

1:31:07

like, I mean, that's, that's really up

1:31:09

to Sony and they should expand for sure. They should be

1:31:11

in these places, but they're

1:31:15

not. So I don't

1:31:18

know what, I don't know what you hope to gain from

1:31:20

this. Like they're not just going to, because you review on

1:31:22

go sushi Shima, they're going to start, you

1:31:24

know, okay, now we're going to put some

1:31:26

places, network servers up in Madagascar now. We're

1:31:29

going to send a team to build, to

1:31:32

build server farms because it goes to Shima

1:31:34

got review bombed. It's like, that's

1:31:36

not really how that works. I

1:31:39

think that some of the argument, and I, I

1:31:41

understand this, but I totally agree. It's not worth

1:31:44

what people are doing is that according

1:31:46

to some of these steam reviews, you do

1:31:48

not need PSN to play the single player.

1:31:50

You don't, you don't, I know that for,

1:31:53

okay. Yeah. So you don't need, if

1:31:55

you want to play multiplayer, you do need it. So

1:31:57

some of the argument is, Hey, why

1:31:59

don't you set. and just

1:32:01

block off multiplayer from these countries that you

1:32:03

don't offer that. And I – people

1:32:07

would then complain it's like, oh, well, you're selling them

1:32:10

a game that has part that you're not allowing people

1:32:12

to play part of what they access. It's like they'll

1:32:14

find something else, a different way

1:32:16

to spend it to complain about it. And yeah,

1:32:19

I agree. It sucks that there are people that can't

1:32:21

buy the game, but

1:32:25

I don't know. And the launcher thing too that there's

1:32:27

a bunch of complaints about, oh, you're forcing

1:32:29

me to have an account to play online. We're PC gamers.

1:32:31

This isn't how we do things. It's like, yes, it is.

1:32:35

Yes, it absolutely is. I listed those last week,

1:32:38

the numerous publishers that require you to

1:32:40

have login. It's extremely

1:32:42

common for multiplayer, not always.

1:32:44

But so yeah,

1:32:48

I can't help but think that this is just – to

1:32:51

immediately go in and try

1:32:54

to review bomb over something

1:32:56

that's not necessarily even affecting you, I

1:32:58

get it. I'm not saying it's all perfect,

1:33:00

but the reaction is – seems

1:33:03

silly. And a game – it's just

1:33:05

how – I

1:33:07

don't like how things are weaponized to this extent. We

1:33:10

all know Ghost of Tsushima isn't a mixed

1:33:12

game. I'm not even

1:33:14

that big of a fan of Ghost of Tsushima, as the audience

1:33:16

knows. I was – I was whelmed by it. I was like,

1:33:18

yeah, it's great. I wasn't

1:33:21

like totally overblown by

1:33:23

it in any way. But it's

1:33:25

not mixed. I mean, that's ridiculous. And

1:33:28

I just – it's

1:33:32

going to come off as Boy Cries Wolf kind of shit at some point. And

1:33:34

I think Sony needs to kind of just maybe stay the

1:33:36

course now. They've ameliorated

1:33:39

the problem with Helldivers, which they should have.

1:33:42

They don't enforce error, as we said, and it's their fault, like we

1:33:44

noted last week. Now

1:33:46

that they know that and they've learned a few things, just

1:33:49

continue on with the plan. And

1:33:53

loud, boisterous people that – Steam allows them

1:33:55

to wield an unusual amount of power, which

1:33:57

is kind of an interesting part of the

1:33:59

platform. that I think makes it this kind of

1:34:01

libertarian utopia that I think in some ways so when he says replicate

1:34:04

on PSN, but I think some of these things need to

1:34:06

be stymied and stemmed like it's It's

1:34:09

like when a stop. Oh, I don't know if you guys

1:34:11

saw a game stop started trading like really high recently again

1:34:13

Yeah, stop trading it like five times in the day because

1:34:15

they knew something was fucked up with it There

1:34:17

should be kind of levers like that on

1:34:20

Steam where it's like this is a

1:34:22

game that has is it Like

1:34:24

imagine when Assassin's Creed shadows comes out or whatever

1:34:26

the hell it's called. I I

1:34:29

mean you gotta know that you can't allow reviews

1:34:31

like day and date with that stuff not Not

1:34:34

because you want to silence people because you want it to

1:34:36

be accurate So

1:34:39

you need people to kind of let it wash out of their

1:34:41

systems because it's not that important. I don't know

1:34:44

Anyway, yeah. Well, what do you think? Well,

1:34:47

if you say like I don't know I don't know if I don't

1:34:49

know if I agree with the game stop thing I feel like that should have

1:34:51

been allowed to happen personally,

1:34:53

but The review thing to me

1:34:55

is like I don't know if it really matters So

1:34:58

like because ultimately we've all seen how these things

1:35:00

shake up, right? Like dude, there's that famous image

1:35:02

of like the steam group of like boycott amount

1:35:04

of warfare 2 on The

1:35:06

launch day of modern warfare 2 and everybody in

1:35:08

that steam group is playing my that's right like

1:35:10

that's right if if ultimately like the bad reviews

1:35:12

like yeah, it's not great I guess to see

1:35:15

that but really If

1:35:18

you're gonna play Ghost of Shima on PC you're going to bit you're going

1:35:20

to buy it You know, there's very I feel

1:35:23

like there's very very few people who are going to be swayed

1:35:25

with it I'm sure there's a loud minority

1:35:27

of people talking about it. But

1:35:29

even when I would look up reviews for

1:35:32

games online, I Almost

1:35:34

never really saw the steam reviews. I would just

1:35:36

kind of see like, you know IGN or like,

1:35:38

you know the big like proper reviews I Was

1:35:42

only if I was like super curious beyond like

1:35:44

beyond what is reasonably even Even

1:35:46

necessary that I would go check the steam reviews for something just to

1:35:49

see what was up but Yeah,

1:35:51

I don't know if it really matters to them in

1:35:53

the first place enough for them to even bother trying

1:35:56

to stymie it Yeah, you know,

1:35:58

yeah I do

1:36:00

like how they let things pull. Like

1:36:02

they just let it go on Steam. It is interesting.

1:36:05

Things should be allowed to, especially

1:36:08

for GameStop, man. Free market, right? That means you

1:36:10

open yourself up to the chaos, right? No. Yeah,

1:36:13

I just, I think that it's

1:36:15

not about GameStop itself. It's about the mechanism, as

1:36:18

I understand it, it's like making sure that when

1:36:20

things like this happen, it's usually because it's being,

1:36:22

there's like cheating going on or some

1:36:24

mechanized thing. And so they stop it to make sure. I think that's why

1:36:26

they stop it and let it go multiple times

1:36:28

because they have to each time, Yeah.

1:36:31

It spikes in a certain way. They, I think are

1:36:33

obligated, investigated and stuff like that. Yeah, I

1:36:36

guess for me, I find it arbitrary because I feel like there's

1:36:38

no point in any given day where there isn't cheating. Yeah.

1:36:42

And that's true. So it's like, yeah.

1:36:44

That's true. Whatever. All

1:36:47

right. So just since we're talking

1:36:49

about PC games, PlayStation PC games, and I think

1:36:51

we're all in agreement here on this show, although

1:36:53

our audience seems

1:36:55

to be opposed to this in the majority,

1:36:58

we seem to be pretty comfortable with the idea of

1:37:00

more and more PlayStation games going to PC. I think

1:37:02

it's a good thing. So there's

1:37:04

a reliable Twitter leaker that

1:37:07

seems to have some sort of access

1:37:09

to, I don't know, like the backend on

1:37:11

PSN, maybe, Bill Bill Kuhn.

1:37:14

And he always tweets things that end up being

1:37:16

true. And he's saying God of War Ragnarok is

1:37:19

one of the next PlayStation exclusive titles to be ported to

1:37:21

PC. Announcement date is

1:37:23

imminent. And so

1:37:26

maybe we'll see that at the rumored

1:37:28

conference in a week or two. Thoughts

1:37:31

on this, Dustin? God of War Ragnarok, unrouted to

1:37:34

PC. I think that makes a lot of sense. God of War

1:37:36

did pretty respectively, I think, on Steam. And

1:37:38

this is a great game. So I think more people should

1:37:40

experience it. I think Sony has probably gotten their money's worth

1:37:42

on it. Oh, absolutely.

1:37:44

Yeah. Great game. Great

1:37:46

game to head over to PC alongside. Now it'll join the

1:37:48

2018 God

1:37:50

of War on PC. And yeah,

1:37:53

I know what you're saying about a large

1:37:55

portion of our audience not

1:37:58

liking the PC releases. And

1:38:00

I just don't I can

1:38:02

I can understand the argument Kind

1:38:05

of but it's like it's this

1:38:07

idea of like oh well Is

1:38:10

your purchase is rooted in what

1:38:12

you can exclusively play? And if

1:38:15

if a game is on PC, it's like oh, I

1:38:17

could have bought it on PC or something like that.

1:38:19

I I Don't necessarily

1:38:22

understand it because you got the game Multiple

1:38:25

years early and it's not like

1:38:27

PC is getting something exclusive that you

1:38:29

don't get out of this game I

1:38:31

mean other than being able to play it on better

1:38:33

hardware if you want, but I think

1:38:36

there is a overestimated

1:38:38

value in Timing

1:38:42

in some degree with this or just this idea

1:38:44

is like oh, well, this is this is ours

1:38:46

It doesn't it it's things are

1:38:48

rapidly changing. Obviously we see this across the board.

1:38:50

We're gonna talk about Square Enix as well It's

1:38:52

just like yeah things are going Multi-platform

1:38:56

and not that I'm saying God of worship is

1:38:59

or will it would come out on Xbox or something

1:39:01

like that? But I don't know.

1:39:03

I don't understand how this takes away from

1:39:06

your PlayStation 5 Purchase

1:39:08

or experience at all that that

1:39:10

part doesn't make any sense to me Yeah,

1:39:13

I think there are I think most of the people

1:39:15

that I see making that

1:39:17

argument can't Put

1:39:20

into words why they feel that way or

1:39:22

maybe don't even know and I think the

1:39:24

people that are more sophisticated know that it

1:39:26

the argument around that would be something about

1:39:28

the long-term health of PlayStation as a brand

1:39:30

and as a Platform in

1:39:33

other words diluting it as a place where games

1:39:35

go. So You

1:39:37

need it less and less and then somebody make draw it's

1:39:40

what's happening in Xbox in some sense You

1:39:42

draw fewer and fewer peers a death cycle. It's like

1:39:44

you draw fewer people you make fewer less revenue fewer

1:39:47

third-party game sales then you suffer with the

1:39:49

publishers and then you just end up in

1:39:51

this tailspin and I totally get

1:39:53

that. I don't really agree with that though because I

1:39:55

actually don't think that that is the outcome I actually

1:39:57

think that you you're exactly right in that in identifying

1:39:59

that things are changing rapidly, that

1:40:02

you need to embrace obvious

1:40:04

change or you will die in

1:40:06

this industry. Not

1:40:09

only PC, but mobile. In

1:40:12

my opinion, ending there. It's going to be

1:40:14

PC and mobile and the

1:40:16

PlayStation platforms. This idea that games are going to go

1:40:18

to Xbox or Nintendo, I just don't think that that's

1:40:21

in the cards at all. But I think that

1:40:23

they're comfortable saying, we're going to have a console, we're going to drive

1:40:26

you there, and then they're going to have the PSN sign-ups on PC,

1:40:28

and they're going to maybe convince you

1:40:30

that some of you that you need a console, maybe

1:40:32

there is some evidence too that the

1:40:34

games that they've released on PC have had some sort

1:40:36

of reverse effect on drawing

1:40:38

people to PlayStation as a console and as

1:40:40

experience to get that quality of game. We're

1:40:44

going to talk about sales numbers soon, but PlayStation 5

1:40:46

is selling just as well as PlayStation 4, adjusted

1:40:50

for time. There's

1:40:52

really no difference between them. The only difference is

1:40:54

that PlayStation 5 was much scarcer and harder to

1:40:57

find and more expensive. It

1:41:01

had no price drop. By

1:41:03

this point in the PS4 life cycle, there was a price drop. So

1:41:05

I just think

1:41:09

here's what I'll say, and Chris will throw it over to you, is you

1:41:12

have to figure out what you care about most with

1:41:15

PlayStation. What does it mean to you the most? And

1:41:17

certainly I think it's the console of many of us, and we get that.

1:41:20

But I would say the evidence in the short

1:41:22

to mid-term doesn't seem like it's really affecting the

1:41:24