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Today's Monday Eightpril twenty second, twenty

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twenty four, coming up on Roland Martin Unfiltered,

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streaming live on the Blackstart Network.

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The Supreme Court confronts.

0:45

The nations homeless this crisis by hearing

0:47

arguments about the legality of local laws

0:50

used against people camping.

0:52

Public streets and parks.

0:53

Will talk to Center for American Progresses,

0:56

Senior director of Courts and Legal.

0:58

Policy, about today's

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cool arguments.

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In Alabama, a proposed law making June

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teen, eighth state holiday will also

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allow state employees the choice to recognize

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freedom or Jefferson Davis,

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one of the greatest traders in American

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history. I keep telling y'all these Republicans

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supporting Confederacy.

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That's been made.

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Will be here to update us

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on the Foreign Rights Restoration Coalition's

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lawsuit against Governor Ron DeSantis

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and his attempt to keep formerly

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incarcerated folks from voting.

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Operation of Hopes founder chairman and CEO

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John Hope Brian.

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Was on c CNBC's.

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Squad Box this morning discussing

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how gen Z views capitalism

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and the difference between equality and

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meritocracy. We

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got a couple of things to say, plus Dot Fitlift

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Winds segment be joined by psychiatrists

1:53

who will help us understand the difference between

1:56

mental health and mental illness.

1:58

And of course, first

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day of Donald Trump's trial in New York City.

2:03

Also New York City, massive protests

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on the campus of Columbia University. Uh,

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it is going to get worse, folks. We'll

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3:08

The Supreme Court heard arguments today on

3:10

whether ticketing homeless people

3:12

is cruel and unusual and violates

3:15

the Eighth Amendment of the US Constitution.

3:18

City and state officials across the country are

3:20

closely watching the case, which will decide

3:23

whether the homeless have the right

3:25

to camp in public places.

3:27

People who live in these encampments

3:29

are also following the case

3:31

as they are concerned about efforts

3:33

to criminalize the population

3:36

rather than build shelters and affordable

3:38

housing. The case is the City

3:41

of Grant's Pass versus Johnson,

3:43

which was brought by several involuntarily

3:46

homeless people in Grant's Past,

3:48

Oregon, who challenge the city's ban

3:51

on public camping. Just as Sonya

3:53

and Sodomor griells

3:55

Grant's Pass, Organ's attorney being

3:58

evangelist, why cite officials

4:01

want to enforce criminal penalties

4:04

for the unhoused.

4:05

Say, only homeless

4:08

people who sleep outdoors will

4:11

be arrested. That's the testimony

4:14

of your chief of police and

4:17

two or three officers, which

4:19

is, if you read the

4:21

crime, it's only stopping

4:23

you from sleeping in public if you for

4:26

the purpose of maintaining a temporary

4:29

place to live, and the police

4:31

officers testify that

4:33

that means that if a stargazer

4:35

wants to take a blanket

4:38

or a sleeping bag out

4:41

at night to watch the stars and fall

4:43

asleep, you don't arrest them. You

4:46

don't arrest babies who have

4:48

blankets over them. You don't arrest

4:52

people who are sleeping on the beach,

4:54

as I tend to do if I've been there a

4:56

while. You only arrest

4:59

people who don't have a second home,

5:01

is that correct, Well, who

5:03

don't have a home.

5:05

So no, these laws are generally applicable,

5:07

they apply to it.

5:08

Yeah, that's what you want to say. Give

5:10

me one example, because your police officers

5:13

couldn't and they explicitly

5:15

said if someone has

5:17

another home as

5:19

a home and is out there and

5:22

happens to fall asleep, they won't

5:24

be arrested fall asleep with something

5:27

on them.

5:27

Well, join Appendix, page ninety eight is one

5:29

example of a citation issued to a person

5:31

with a home address. But more importantly,

5:34

I think what we're getting at here is that these

5:36

laws regulate conduct of everyone.

5:38

There's nothing in the law that criminalizes

5:41

homelessness.

5:41

I really that's what you say.

5:44

But if I look at the record and see differently.

5:47

Devon Mbre is the Scene director of Courts

5:49

and Legal Policy for the Center for American

5:52

Progress, joins us from Washington, DC.

5:55

Devon, glad to have you here.

5:56

So, I mean, that was a great line of questioning

5:58

right there from just sort of by your because

6:02

laws need to be specific. In

6:06

what she was getting at is if

6:09

somebody just accidentally falls asleep,

6:12

what are you going to ticket them?

6:14

People following asleep, well,

6:16

on a picnic at a park, can we ticket them?

6:19

Not sure how far this could extend,

6:22

And she makes some really great points

6:24

that this law general applicability

6:27

so called, doesn't

6:30

actually do what it says. It

6:32

is specifically aimed at

6:34

unhoused people, not just average

6:36

people on the street.

6:38

What was being said by the other justices,

6:40

especially the conservative.

6:42

Justices, it

6:44

was interesting to listen because the

6:46

thing that struck me was a lot of the lack

6:48

of compassion that was elicited from

6:50

the Chief Justice, because he

6:53

was seeming to implicate that just being

6:55

in a shelter for one night erases

6:58

the status of being homeless, and

7:01

the litigator for

7:04

the individual plaintiffs were

7:06

saying, being unhoused

7:08

is not having a permanent address,

7:11

and being put into a

7:13

shelter or obtaining shelter for

7:15

one or two nights, even a week,

7:17

does not obviate the problem of

7:20

being unhoused and homeless because it

7:22

doesn't change their status. As

7:25

soon as they lose access to that shelter,

7:27

they become unhoused homeless again,

7:30

and they are subject to these laws

7:33

and they're escalating fines.

7:35

The first fine is two seventy five, the next

7:37

fine is six hundred dollars. A recidivist

7:40

found outside sleeping outside multiple

7:43

times will be criminally trespassed and

7:46

can be jailed for up to thirty days.

7:48

And this is essentially a re

7:50

establishment of debtors prisons that

7:53

were gotten rid of hundreds

7:56

of years ago at this point.

7:58

So, I mean, obviously you have a

8:00

lot of cities that have been dealing with this. You

8:03

hear folks in San Francisco, you

8:05

hear folks in Los Angeles talk

8:08

about these different things. And as always,

8:10

whenever we're having these discussions

8:12

about why something is happening, very

8:15

rarely do we want to deal with

8:17

the root cause of this. We

8:19

really want to focus just on that and

8:22

of itself. So you talk about homelessness,

8:25

you have to deal with, well, how

8:27

many of those folks are actually dealing

8:29

with mental illness, which

8:32

then gets at the lack of funding

8:34

for mental illness, which gets

8:36

at the cutting of funds of the last twenty

8:39

twenty five years for community

8:42

social and services centers.

8:45

Then you also have to deal with the

8:47

exorbient costs that we're also seeing

8:50

when it comes to housing and how

8:52

things have shot up very rarely

8:55

of those part of the conversation.

9:00

Rug addiction, and

9:02

then just pure unfortunate

9:05

economic situations that some people

9:07

find themselves in due to layoffs,

9:10

a lack of work, what have you. And

9:13

you see increases in

9:15

policing costs, you see increases

9:17

in jailed jailing costs. Let's

9:20

not even without

9:23

even talking about the lack of affordable housing

9:26

in so many markets these days,

9:28

where people can't afford to live

9:30

in a one bedroom apartment

9:33

without having roommates.

9:34

It's becoming untenable for a lot

9:37

of people to function. And yet

9:39

we're seeing an increase in funding

9:41

for policing and increase in funding for jailing.

9:43

Whereas if we were investing in these root

9:46

causes of drug addiction, of mental

9:48

health, of general wellness,

9:50

then it would cost these municipalities

9:53

and localities a whole heck of a lot less,

9:56

it would be less of a drain on society, and

9:58

I think there's probably a lot likelihood

10:00

that you would see much more benefit

10:02

beneficial outcomes of people rejoining

10:05

society and being productive members

10:07

of society when these unfortunate

10:09

or unchecked mental health issues have resulted

10:12

in them being unhoused for so long.

10:14

So based upon listening

10:17

to these arguments, obviously

10:20

it's one thing to sort of prejudge

10:22

or to guess, But based

10:24

upon listening to the various

10:27

questions, what

10:30

did you glean from this in terms of what potentially

10:32

could be a decision?

10:34

So I think.

10:37

The more liberal justices

10:40

are looking to find

10:42

a solution. I think a lot of the questions

10:45

really dug deep into what do the courts

10:47

need to be doing with regard to

10:49

staying away from being policymakers.

10:51

Because this is such a complex and complicated

10:54

issue. Can the Supreme Court

10:56

hand down edicts that say

10:59

this is what you need to be doing? And

11:01

I think the Court very much wants to shy away

11:03

from that. I believe it was Justice

11:06

Jackson who was discussing the possibility

11:09

that this case be mooted because

11:12

Oregon has passed a statute

11:15

prohibiting laws like these passed

11:17

and grants passed from going into effect and being

11:19

able to effectively criminalize

11:21

being unhoused. There's

11:23

also the question that Justice Thomas

11:26

brought up as to whether the

11:31

case itself was moot because

11:33

all of the individual plaintiffs have

11:35

not been found

11:38

criminally liable under these

11:41

local ordinances. So whether

11:44

it's just civil cases at this point, so

11:46

whether it's appropriate to bring it under an Eighth Amendment

11:48

claim like this for cruel and unusual punishment

11:51

like this case is is yet to be seen.

11:53

The other thing is that there

11:55

are a lot of municipalities that are

11:58

existing under a prior Ninth Circuit

12:01

case that has made outlawing

12:03

being homeless roundhoused uh

12:05

illegal. So you know there's already

12:08

some kind of controlling law in effect

12:10

in the states covered by the Ninth Circuit that

12:13

other other areas are following.

12:16

All right, then we certainly will be seeing what

12:18

they decided.

12:19

Thanks a lot, Thank you so much.

12:21

All right, folks, gonna go to break. We'll be right back on

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Now, folks, do today's oral argument.

14:53

Justice Neil Gorshik question the US Deputy

14:55

Slicitor General at When Needler

14:58

about why he thinks people can be issue you

15:00

to criminal penalties for a public

15:02

drunkenness, but not for sleeping

15:04

outside when they refuse to

15:06

go to a shelter or bed.

15:09

To status.

15:10

And now you're saying, well, there's some conduct

15:13

that's effectively equated to status.

15:17

But you're saying, involuntary drug use,

15:20

you can regulate that conduct that

15:22

doesn't qualify status. You're saying, compulsive

15:25

alcohol use, you can regulate that conduct

15:28

in public public drunkenness,

15:31

even if it's involuntary, that doesn't qualify

15:33

as status. Right, You're

15:36

saying you can regulate somebody who is

15:39

hungry and has no other choice but

15:42

to steal, you can regulate that conduct

15:45

even though it's a basic human necessity and

15:47

that doesn't come under

15:49

the status side of the line. Right, Yes, okay,

15:53

But when it comes to homelessness, which is

15:55

a terribly difficult problem, you're saying

15:57

that's different. And

15:59

because are no beds available for them

16:01

to go to in grants pass.

16:04

What about someone who has a mental health

16:06

problem that prohibits

16:09

them they cannot sleep

16:11

in a shelter. Are they allowed

16:13

to sleep outside or not? Is that status

16:16

or conduct that's regulable? I

16:18

think the question would be whether that shelter

16:21

is available.

16:22

It's available, well, no, available to

16:24

the individual.

16:24

It's available to the individual, but it's

16:27

just because of their mental health problem they

16:29

cannot do it.

16:30

I think there might be I mean that's the mental.

16:32

Health status or conduct.

16:34

Well, a mental health situation is itself

16:36

a status, right?

16:37

I know that yes, but.

16:39

It has this further knock on effect on conduct.

16:41

Is that regulable by the state or not?

16:43

I think that.

16:44

I think that if the.

16:46

All the you know, alcohol drug

16:49

use, that they have problems too and

16:51

that, and but you're saying that conduct

16:53

is regulable. How about with respect to this

16:56

pervasive problem of persons

16:58

with mental health problem.

17:00

I think in a particular situation, if

17:02

the if the if the person would engage

17:05

in violent conduct as.

17:06

No, no, no, don't don't mess with my hypothetical.

17:09

Counsel.

17:10

I like my hypothetical. I know you don't.

17:12

It's a hard one, and that's why I'm asking it. I'm

17:14

just trying to understand the limits

17:17

of your line.

17:18

Don't mess with my hypothetical. How

17:21

about not use hypotheticals when you get

17:23

to the Supreme Court? My pan

17:25

on doctor a'ma Congo to being a senior Professorial

17:27

lecture of School of International Service with American University,

17:30

joins us from DC that doctor Julian Malveaux,

17:33

economists president he mayor of Bennett College,

17:35

also an author also out of d C, Derreck

17:37

Jackson, JORGEE the representative out

17:39

of Atlantic. Let to have all three of you here

17:41

that that that's right. The other thing for me, I

17:44

don't understand, Ama Congo. These

17:47

justices love their are hypotheticals, but

17:49

they're not real. You got a

17:51

real damn case. So that

17:55

just what kills me. Well, Yeah, like

17:57

I hate hypotheticals. I hate

17:59

them because they're not real, right

18:02

right, bro?

18:04

You know, I mean, obviously we talk

18:06

about so many serious issues

18:09

on this show, but this one, this

18:11

is a certain level.

18:12

It just sounds evil.

18:14

You know what I mean, like the way they frame

18:16

it, you know, the way they have these conversations

18:18

and you know with your guests before to break,

18:21

like to criminalize this and to come up

18:23

with these hypotheticals that, oh, well,

18:25

whether somebody hasn't, It's like you're almost

18:28

bringing in the mental health issue again, something

18:30

that Republicans don't support in terms of getting

18:32

more mental health access. And I'm so glad we're going to

18:34

talk about mental health versus mental illness

18:36

later, but coming back to this particular issue.

18:39

They remember they did.

18:40

This with the Super Bowl, like Los Angeles in like twenty

18:43

twenty two, they like got rid of all of the homeless

18:45

people around like Sofi Stadium because they wanted

18:47

to make sure that they had a pretty picture of

18:49

the community. This is disgraceful.

18:52

These are people, and they make us act. They

18:54

act as if homeless people who are un housed

18:56

it's a choice.

18:57

They just decided that they just.

18:59

Set don't want to live in a house anymore, and

19:01

that whatever happens is on them. And I thought that the

19:03

way that Adjustice so to Mayor, framed it,

19:05

I thought it was really masterful because you're

19:07

really targeting people who don't have the opportunity

19:10

to have their own consistent home,

19:13

and you want to throw all of these hypotheticals, which

19:15

is kind of showing where they're leaning towards. And I'm very

19:17

concerned about where they're leaning. And I think

19:19

that this is something that we need

19:22

to talk about more in our community as an election

19:24

issue because the Biden administration, though

19:26

they don't talk about it enough, they have serious

19:29

programs working with local and state agencies

19:31

not only to tackle the issue of homelessness,

19:33

but to prevent it. And so I know that

19:35

this is in the news for other people, but we've talked

19:38

about this on this show before, and we

19:40

need to keep talking about it because you never

19:42

see conversations about homelessness and people who

19:44

are unhoused in presidential debates

19:46

or in state debates. It's never brought up. They're kind

19:48

of thrown to the side. And now they're really looking

19:51

at throwing them to decide, whether it's through incarceration

19:53

or other means, just to get them out of sight, with

19:56

no real conversations about aiding

19:58

them and no longer being unhigh. This is

20:00

disgraceful and I'm really concerned about what

20:02

the Supreme Court is going to do on

20:05

this case.

20:05

See, the issue for me is in

20:08

listen, homestess is a problem.

20:10

I mean, listen, I've been to la I've

20:12

been to other cities. I'm Chicago and man,

20:15

you maybe downtown and you're like,

20:17

what the hell am I seeing? Which means that policy

20:20

makers have to come up with policies

20:23

and it's not criminalizing. I

20:25

mean, you can hand out tickets to

20:27

homeless folks, but if they already broke,

20:29

they ain't paying those tickets, and so now

20:31

what are you gonna do.

20:32

You're gonna jail them?

20:33

Okay, that means that the cost to jail

20:35

them actually will exceed

20:38

what you could potentially do if

20:41

they are somewhere else.

20:45

You know what I mean.

20:47

There you go.

20:48

According to the last census, there

20:51

are a quarter of a million unhoused

20:56

citizens in the United States, over

20:58

two hundred and fifty thousand and

21:01

unhoused citizens in the United States. In

21:03

Atlanta we have three thousand

21:06

and So the reason why this is concerning, regardless

21:09

of the decision that the Supreme Court makes

21:12

around this case, it's not

21:14

going to solve the homeless

21:16

unhoused situation. When

21:19

you highlighted enforcement,

21:22

we don't even have enough

21:25

room for common

21:28

criminals to put in our jails

21:30

more or less someone that is

21:33

sleeping on a park bench, So

21:35

that enforcement piece is challenging

21:38

by itself. The other dynamic to

21:40

this, too, rolling is this think

21:43

about, you know, other issues that

21:45

we can actually solve, right

21:48

that really helps define our level

21:50

of humanity in the United States,

21:53

Other issues around

21:55

affordable housing, mental

21:59

health that we going to discuss later on

22:01

during the show.

22:02

Mental illness. We're here

22:04

in Georgia.

22:05

We've closed all of our state facilities,

22:08

and so when we're dealing with

22:10

the unhoused and homeless,

22:14

they're either in our emergency

22:16

rooms depending on their situation

22:19

as they combat mental illness.

22:22

And also look at the composition of

22:24

the unhoused. Were talking about families,

22:27

We're talking about veterans. I served

22:29

in the Navy for twenty two years, so we got

22:31

veterans out there as well. We

22:33

got some folks who are just on their bad end

22:37

of society right now, and

22:39

so whatever decision

22:41

the Supreme Court makes, it's not going to

22:43

solve their hypothetical

22:45

situation.

22:48

You know, And that's really what this thing is about, Julian.

22:50

You've got to have policymakers who

22:53

want to confront the problem of

22:55

the homeless. You can't just whine

22:57

and complain about how

23:00

it looks having people, you know, filling

23:03

up the sidewalks. You must

23:05

deal with the root problem. Otherwise

23:08

you're just kicking the can down the road.

23:11

You know, roll The problem is bigger

23:13

than the Supreme Court. Although

23:15

the Gorsics comments, and I love your

23:18

the hypotheticals, they're

23:20

playing with lives. They're playing with important

23:23

people's lives when they start playing

23:25

hypothetically, what if?

23:26

What if? What if? What if?

23:28

As a brother just said, you

23:30

know, two point five million people are

23:32

two hundred and fifty million people homeless.

23:35

I got the numbers wrong, but basically

23:37

all these homeless people.

23:39

Here's the root of the problem.

23:40

There's inadequate affordable housing

23:43

in this country. Why is there inadquate

23:45

affordable housing? Because corporations

23:47

have been buying up single family

23:50

homes.

23:51

That could be Section eight homes. Ye,

23:53

that are the kind of homes.

23:54

They've been buying up homes and turning

23:57

them into cash couse.

23:58

It's called predatory capitals.

24:00

And in fact, in fact, there's a report that says

24:02

that by twenty thirty, that's

24:05

just six years from now, By twenty

24:07

thirty, forty percent.

24:11

Of all US homes will be

24:13

owned.

24:13

By private equity decisely.

24:15

And their goal is not to sell the homes.

24:18

Their goals is to make people

24:20

renters. So they are paying

24:23

escalated rental feends.

24:26

Have a perfecton.

24:26

They have a perpetual comes, a

24:29

perpetual income stream, and they lock

24:32

people out of wealth development, and

24:34

it is happening all over the country. Oben

24:36

Congo made a really important point when he

24:39

talks about just the evil inherent

24:41

in this. But again I said, this is bigger

24:43

than the Supreme Court. This is public policy.

24:46

Marshall Fudge, as Hunt Secretary,

24:48

was beginning to deal with this. She

24:50

left, of course, because with this Congress you couldn't

24:53

pass the gas much lesser legislation.

24:55

But she's gone, and the interim woman,

24:58

I believe is very good. I been, I believe

25:00

her, David is very good. Nothing is

25:02

going to be passed. It's a public policy issue,

25:05

how we deal with the poor, how we pay

25:07

the poor. Bedmum wage, federal

25:09

minim wage has not gone up in more

25:12

than a decade.

25:13

And so it's so hard I want to

25:15

stay there because the problem

25:17

here is this here sort

25:20

of it sort of reminds me of we were talking

25:22

about the downscale

25:27

customer service jobs. Historically

25:30

those were jobs for young

25:33

people and

25:35

for folks in their early twenties.

25:38

Well, will then begin with technology

25:40

things begin to happen. You

25:43

used to have grocery clerks, used

25:45

to have bank tellers, used to have

25:47

a whole slew of jobs that

25:50

folks could earn high twenties,

25:52

low thirties, mid thirties, high

25:55

thirties, low forties working

25:59

those jobs. Well, when those jobs

26:01

disappeared, the folk who were at that

26:03

level then dropped down to the

26:05

walmart greeter jobs and things along

26:08

those lines. So when those people

26:10

dropped down, well, then they pressed

26:12

the other folk who would depending upon those

26:14

jobs further down as well. So

26:16

when you talk about these homes here,

26:19

so now people who should

26:21

be living in single family

26:23

homes, they now are

26:25

renting places. And so folks

26:28

who traditionally would be in those apartments

26:31

they now are being.

26:33

Pushed out as well. Go to my iPad, Anthony.

26:35

This was a story even in the conservative Washington

26:37

Times. Forty four percent of

26:40

flipped single family home purchases

26:42

in twenty twenty three were by

26:44

private investors. That means, Julian,

26:47

the folk who actually should

26:49

be traditionally buying a

26:51

home, likely first time

26:54

a homeowner, likely a young

26:56

couple in their early thirties with a

26:58

child. They now are

27:00

being stuck in apartments, and

27:02

so you now have a serious

27:05

problem of housing. And

27:08

you have policymakers who don't want

27:10

to deal with this. The private equity folks,

27:12

they don't want to deal with the mental illness,

27:15

don't want to deal with other sort of stuff. And

27:17

then they go, oh, we got a homeless problem.

27:19

Well yeah,

27:22

but.

27:22

If you don't have homes, you have a homeless problem.

27:24

And you if you deliberately take homes

27:27

out of the market, the single family homes

27:29

out of the market, you're creating your own

27:31

problem. And none of these people there.

27:33

You know, we understand fully how

27:36

politicians purchase a

27:38

congressional and Senate seats.

27:41

We understand fully that they like

27:43

a David Trod in Maryland throwing millions

27:46

of dollars forty five million dollars own

27:48

money into his campaign

27:50

against the brilliant Angela also works.

27:53

But you know he's putting all that money.

27:55

Is this going to be someone's gonna stand up against

27:58

these equity investors?

27:59

No, he is one.

28:01

You know, you go down the listen you're looking at it. No, they're

28:03

not going to stand up. And so we basically

28:06

have no congressional uh

28:09

living caucus. We got congressional

28:11

Black Caucus cogression, but we need to have a

28:13

congressional caucuse that really deals with how

28:16

people live if they're moderate income.

28:18

But your point about

28:20

the automation. I tried to pay

28:23

a bill today. I took

28:25

me twenty minutes to get a person press

28:27

one for this, press two for that. One two didn't

28:29

give me anything, but the black starts screaming,

28:32

and then somebody picked up the phone and said, are

28:34

you okay.

28:34

I'm like, no, but here, but here's

28:36

the deal, though, I'm gonna come go perfect

28:38

example today and listen. For the last

28:41

five or six years, I

28:44

have gotten more phone calls, more text

28:46

messages, I mean you name

28:48

it from folks trying

28:50

to buy my home in Texas.

28:53

I paid.

28:54

I paid the home off two thousand

28:56

and nine. I guess, uh

28:59

so I've own it outright. My

29:02

parents have been living in my home.

29:05

My sister and her two nieces lived

29:08

in the home for quite some time. Sister gets remarried,

29:11

both of my nieces are out. My nephew

29:14

moves to Dallas. He's now living in

29:17

my parents' home. So at one point you've had so

29:20

three generations of family members. Now the

29:22

benefit to family members they're

29:24

not paying rent, so they're living mortgage

29:26

free, they're paying for utilities, things

29:28

along those lines, and

29:31

so that is an economic

29:33

benefit because they are able

29:35

to you know, to be

29:37

able to sort of build their life and not

29:40

have where most places, forty to

29:42

fifty or sixty percent of some people's

29:44

income is going towards where

29:46

they live. And so my parents

29:49

or dad will be seventy seven on Thursday. Mom

29:51

is seventy seven in November, and

29:53

so they are even a situation so they're Social

29:56

Security railroad retirement is

29:58

not having to go fifty six sixty percent

30:00

to housing because I own the home.

30:03

But they've been blowing my phone up

30:06

like crazy trying to offer

30:08

me cash now. The homeless purchase,

30:10

I think it was one hundred and twenty two thousand dollars

30:13

when I purchased the home in December of nineteen

30:15

ninety nine. The value

30:17

of that home today is

30:20

and I posted this on social

30:22

media because I've made a post about it, the

30:25

value of that particular

30:28

home today is

30:30

three hundred and forty four, eight hundred.

30:32

And fifty dollars.

30:34

Now for the person who is watching, going

30:36

bay Man, hold up, you buy a house for one

30:38

hundred twenty two thousand December nineteen ninety nine.

30:41

Here you are twenty five years later, and

30:43

it's worth almost

30:46

three times as much. Here's

30:48

why if they go to my iPad. So

30:50

as you see here, folks, this

30:53

is US home construction from

30:55

nineteen hundred through twenty twenty

30:58

one, and you'll see

31:00

nineteen hundred one point seven

31:02

eight million homes were built in the United States,

31:05

and then two point sixty five million, two

31:08

million, four point one six million,

31:11

and then you get to the fifties.

31:13

Now, why is that important?

31:15

Because now you're dealing with right here, you're

31:18

dealing with really nineteen fifty

31:20

to present day. You're dealing with the

31:22

folks, especially namely white, who

31:24

were able to buy homes when it came to the GI

31:26

bill. So ten

31:29

point eight nine point four nine.

31:31

Then you see twelve million, twelve million,

31:33

twelve million, fourteen million between

31:35

two thousand and two thousand and nine. Then you

31:38

see a massive drop twenty

31:40

ten, twenty nineteen. Why

31:42

is that twenty ten, twenty nineteen,

31:44

folks, that was a result

31:47

of the home foreclosure crisis in

31:49

the previous decade, and so you

31:51

had massive foreclosures, fifty

31:53

three percent of all black wealth wiped out. Now

31:56

here's the problem. The next decade.

31:59

We are far behind in the current

32:01

decade. A previous a realtor dot

32:03

Com report said that we're

32:05

seven point two million homes behind

32:08

in this decade.

32:09

So here's the problem.

32:10

If you say, let's just say from twenty

32:13

twenty twenty twenty nine, let's

32:15

just say we built about seven million homes,

32:18

and we built six million homes in the previous

32:20

decade, that means that in twenty

32:22

years you barely built the

32:24

number of homes that was built in

32:27

two thousand and two thousand and nine.

32:29

So what do you now have.

32:30

You now have and increased

32:32

population, more demand.

32:35

You do not have the housing stock.

32:38

So if we continue on this rate,

32:40

we're going to be in an even more

32:44

a difficult situation.

32:46

And om congo.

32:47

Those private equity people, the reason

32:49

why they are desperately trying to

32:51

offer me cash for my home

32:55

is because they absolutely

32:59

know there's stock and

33:01

they want to snap up.

33:02

And here's what they're doing.

33:04

They are successful in this way because

33:07

they're offering so much money. People

33:09

are saying yes, not realizing

33:11

it's going to make it very difficult for

33:14

the next generation to be able to own homes.

33:17

Absolutely, I just got a message.

33:18

I get a message every week from my house

33:20

as well, and I'm like, I get my number.

33:22

I don't even know who these people are.

33:24

Man, they call in texts all every

33:26

damn day.

33:28

Yep, what did I hear from my own friends? I mean,

33:30

so, you're absolutely right. And one of

33:32

the things that we didn't talk about from that graphic

33:34

that you showed us was just terrific was

33:37

also the amount of people who lost their homes due to the

33:39

COVID pandemic. People lost their jobs

33:41

and the incomes. You know, we're out on the street home. You know, people

33:43

who are unhouses on the rise as well. And

33:46

we also have to add to the fact that many of these

33:48

private equity folks are not based in the United

33:50

States, and so people from across

33:52

the globe are buying up American

33:54

property just like they're buying up American

33:56

land and farmland and the like, and so

33:59

so much of what we had in this country

34:01

is not owned by regular, everyday

34:03

people. And when we get into this next

34:06

election cycle, when we get into twenty these next

34:08

few years, you're going

34:10

to have more people who are out there going

34:12

to be homeless. And that's why I think the Supreme Court

34:14

is going to rule against people

34:16

who are in house because they want to have an

34:18

institution or system already line up in

34:21

place to be able to deal with these people.

34:23

These people quote unquote, and the fact

34:25

that the manner is they don't want.

34:26

To deal with policy like you just talked about and

34:28

doctor Marvel was talking about, they don't want to do

34:31

that. And so really at the end of the day, we

34:33

have to make sure that as doctor

34:35

Malvel also talked about a Congressional

34:37

Caucus on Living, we have to make

34:39

sure that we're raising awareness about this because

34:41

if we don't, particularly families that might be

34:44

underwater a little bit but might be able to save their

34:46

home if they had certain policies or

34:48

were able to work with the Biden or local administrations,

34:50

they're going to get a call from one of these folks and people

34:53

are just going to say, oh, yeah, I'm just going to do it.

34:55

I'm just going to sell.

34:55

People are going to sit on at the values that the communities

34:58

are going to go down because these houses are going to

35:00

to be unoccupied for a while, or like you said,

35:02

a renter class is going to grow, and then

35:04

those communities are going to continue to be in the client

35:06

and our communities are going to be hit first. So

35:08

this is an issue that is not spoken about enough,

35:11

and it's really important right now that we connect

35:13

those dots. I was not aware Roland

35:16

of that twenty year gap we talked

35:18

about. You know, in twenty years, we'll built as many houses

35:20

as it took us to build in a decade.

35:22

But it really makes a lot of sense.

35:24

And these guys, these policymakers

35:26

and the like, who don't care for the unhoused, this

35:28

is what they want and they play off of our

35:30

ignorance. And so the more we know, the more

35:32

we have to share, particularly to these next generation

35:35

of homeowners, we can be able to get them

35:37

in positions, particularly through vote, where

35:39

they can make real laws that are going to help our communities

35:41

across the country.

35:42

So they're the reason I'm purposely clicking

35:44

the dots. And I know there's somebody watching who's saying,

35:46

all right, what does this have to do with the homelessness

35:49

issue in Supreme Court decision? Because

35:51

they're all connected. So if

35:55

you don't deal with mental illness

35:58

community services, you don't don't

36:00

deal with an insufficient Department

36:02

of Veterans and Affairs in dealing with veterans

36:05

and PTSD, and then

36:07

you're not dealing with lack

36:10

of building affordable housing. And then

36:12

where you're not dealing with these cities that

36:15

keep dealing with these so called mixed use

36:17

development where oh, we're going to build

36:19

this affordable housing and with it, we're building

36:22

this mixed use development and risks

36:25

all sort of restaurants and trendy

36:28

little areas and open air parks, things

36:30

along those lines, where the reality is they

36:32

throw in very few affordable

36:34

housing to qualify for the tax

36:36

breaks, all right, and so only

36:38

a handful of people can actually get in

36:40

those places. And what they're really doing

36:43

is going after the people who can afford

36:45

the three to four to five hundred thousand dollars

36:47

homes that they're building in these downtown

36:50

developments. And so for the people who are watching,

36:52

I need them to understand that public

36:54

policymakers play a role.

36:57

When Julian was talking about Secretary

36:59

Marshall Fudge, she said, point blank, we

37:02

have limited their limited things

37:04

the federal government can do to deal

37:06

with home building. She said, this

37:09

is specifically a local

37:11

and state issue, and that's.

37:13

The piece that people don't seem to understand.

37:17

And the other dot that we have to connect to

37:19

your point rolling is this as

37:21

a lawmaker, we right

37:24

here in Georgia during our last

37:27

legislative session try to expand

37:29

the homestead exemption for

37:31

our seniors because our seniors

37:33

are on fixed incomes. And we also

37:36

discovered that eighty

37:38

five percent of our seniors on

37:40

their homes outright and

37:43

on a fixed income, but they can't

37:45

afford the taxes.

37:46

Roland right, hold

37:48

on, hold on, hold on.

37:49

So explain to the person at home, what

37:53

does the homestead exemption.

37:55

Do, great

37:57

question. So the homestead exemption,

38:00

what it does? It allows for

38:02

the government. So in our case at the state

38:04

level, we can say, for

38:07

example, the bill that I

38:10

brought forward was if you're over the age

38:13

of sixty five and you

38:15

have no children in the school system,

38:18

you're exempt for paying school taxes,

38:20

and you can get four

38:23

thousand dollars off of your

38:26

property tax because your property

38:28

tax continues to increase with the

38:30

market value. And so that

38:32

can save on the average

38:36

senior citizen roughly sixty

38:38

five one hundred dollars maybe seven

38:40

thousand dollars. That helps

38:43

when your taxes of your two

38:45

hundred thousand dollars home. It wasn't

38:47

two hundred thousand dollars when you purchase

38:49

it. It was fifty thousand dollars

38:52

when you purchase it, but now

38:54

thirty years later it's

38:57

now two hundred thousand dollars, So

38:59

that said exemption would

39:01

give them a seven thousand dollars break

39:03

off of their property tax.

39:05

And see, and just for people are just

39:07

to understand because

39:10

and I was just looking at some stuff over the weekend

39:14

Juliana. It was quite of interesting because I'm

39:16

just at home and I just moved.

39:18

I just moved into a new house here,

39:21

and I thought about I

39:23

thought about where

39:26

I came from. I thought about the

39:28

house that I grew up in. And I was texting

39:30

somebody and I said, you know, we grew up in a

39:32

I said, I grew up in a

39:34

small wood frame house. I

39:37

said fifteen hundred square feet. And then

39:39

I went online and I was like, so I put in

39:41

the address. I went to Zilo and I put in the address

39:44

and I typed in.

39:45

It was like, damn, hold up.

39:47

It was one thousand and two and three one square

39:49

feet and so I pulled this up,

39:52

go to my iPad and when

39:54

I go gone to Houston before, I

39:56

sort of pulled it up and this was

39:58

literally the house that.

40:01

I grew up in.

40:02

The First of all, we had what I hate is we

40:04

had we had great landscaping

40:07

that was the work of my dad and my

40:09

mom, but really me and my brothers and.

40:10

Sisters, we were a manual laborers.

40:13

But the thing was crazy to me, and

40:16

it was just blowing my mind that

40:19

this house here is one hundred

40:21

and seventy five thousand dollars.

40:25

I was even surprised that there was one hundred and seventy

40:27

five thousand dollars. And

40:30

then I pulled up some

40:33

other homes that were on

40:35

the street. My grandparents lived on eight blocks away,

40:39

and that was a house that was

40:42

newly built. It was a brick house, very

40:44

nice. Inside that house

40:46

was three hundred and ninety nine thousand

40:49

dollars.

40:51

I was like, huh, you

40:56

know, part of that is the datu rising prices

40:58

right right.

40:59

But what I was looking

41:01

at, I was looking at the neighborhood.

41:04

I was looking at ameny of these things along those lines.

41:07

So the reason it blew me away was

41:09

wait a minute, are you serious? Almost

41:12

four hundred thousand for that house in

41:15

that neighborhood, which then out,

41:18

which then brought home the

41:20

reality of because

41:22

we have so few stock that

41:26

I don't care where the house is, I

41:29

don't care in what neighborhood. It

41:31

is sky high because

41:34

you don't have available stock. And so

41:37

now that's just a single family

41:39

home. Now you go, wait

41:41

a minute, imagine folks much

41:44

lower income. They can't

41:46

afford to even pay some of these rent and

41:49

that ties right back into the

41:51

homeless problem that we're seeing where

41:53

people if they can't make some payments

41:56

that they get evicted, they can't get into

41:58

a shelter, they are out on the

42:00

street. And that's where policymakers

42:03

are going to have to stop complaining about

42:05

seeing people sleeping in cars

42:08

or sleeping in parks on the sidewalks. They're

42:10

going to have to confront the policies

42:13

that are contributing to the homeless problem

42:15

in America.

42:16

For Leian sixty second, if I got to go.

42:18

To break San Francisco bayor

42:20

London, Breed is using bacont

42:22

Land to build affordable housing. She promises

42:24

to build about eighty thousand units. She

42:27

is up for reelection, but she said she's

42:29

and she's got started on the process. This

42:31

issue is building more housing. And

42:33

to y'all's point, not a day goes

42:35

by when some colonizer knocks

42:38

on this door or since puts

42:40

a note through that window. Is your house for sale?

42:42

And my answer is, MF do you see a full

42:45

sale sign in front of this house. If

42:47

you do, not, houses is not for sale. Don't

42:49

ask me those stupid questions. But basically,

42:51

you've got an era of speculation about housing.

42:54

It's pushing how prices up. We

42:56

have to figure out how to build more affordable

42:58

housing for people of modern incomes.

43:01

Average Black family earns about sixty

43:03

grand, average Black family well

43:06

overall numbers high.

43:08

But so what can you do with sixty grand?

43:10

What the rule say is you shouldn't spend more than

43:14

what a third is really used to be a quarter.

43:16

Now it's up to a third of your net

43:19

income on housing. Lots of people

43:21

are spending half and even more than that.

43:24

Yeah, and so it's it's just

43:27

stunning. And so I just don't I just think that

43:29

people don't understand and.

43:30

Just just go back.

43:31

I wish I could get rid of half of this

43:33

side here. But it's so crazy.

43:35

I just showed you. I just show

43:38

you some of the houses

43:40

and what the cost what the costs are for some of those

43:43

houses.

43:43

And if you see the map here, go back,

43:46

you see you might see right here this

43:48

is literally in the same neighborhood. You will

43:50

see a seventy five thousand dollars

43:53

lot, and then you see an

43:55

eighty five thousand dollars a lot. But

43:57

then you will see a house that's three hundred and thirty

43:59

eight thousand, But then you see another

44:01

one that's two sixty one, that's two seventy

44:04

five, and then and you

44:06

keep going, then all of a sudden, you see a seventy

44:08

thousand dollars a lot. You'll see a three hundred and eighty

44:10

thousand dollars house that's twenty

44:13

one hundred square feet. I mean,

44:15

and again it just so people understand, if

44:18

you're a first up home buyer, you're competing,

44:21

and I guarantee you, and I look at the I guarantee

44:23

you because I grew up in Clinton

44:25

Park in Houston.

44:26

I guarantee you. What have I guarantee you? And

44:29

if you go through the seven seven

44:31

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44:33

You're going to find private equity owning

44:36

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44:38

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44:41

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44:44

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44:46

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44:48

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44:51

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44:53

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44:55

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44:59

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45:01

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45:04

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45:06

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45:09

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45:11

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45:14

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45:16

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45:23

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All right, firs. Welcome to Roland Martin on the field.

50:44

You know, I saw this article

50:46

over the weekend that I thought was kind of interesting.

50:49

Uh. And what

50:53

tripped me out?

50:54

And looking at the article, uh, it

50:56

talked about taxes and

50:59

talked about President

51:01

Joe Biden's plan he wants to tax folks

51:05

families that make four hundred thousand dollars or higher.

51:09

And that was interesting.

51:11

And there was a brother who was quoted

51:13

in the article who said, you

51:16

know, this is not fair.

51:18

I don't feel like, you know, I'm.

51:20

Rich because

51:23

with four hundred thousand, and as

51:25

a result, you know, I'm

51:28

gonna I'm going to I'm gonna pull the story

51:30

up. He goes, you know, I'm

51:33

going to vote for Trump. And

51:36

the headline was I don't think of

51:38

myself as rich. The Americans

51:41

crossing Biden's four hundred thousand

51:43

dollars tax line. So

51:46

I thought that was It was just interesting seeing

51:49

that. And the

51:51

reason it's it's a trip is because one

51:54

a lot of people literally have no clue

51:57

about taxes in this country.

51:59

They have no clue about how

52:02

this actually came about. And

52:06

I want to go to Julian first, because I

52:09

posted this. I'm going to show the article in a second.

52:11

And I posted this Julian because

52:15

the first thing I said was, Okay,

52:17

I wonder if his brother went to college, and

52:20

I wonder if he got any peil grants. Where

52:24

does the money come from? Then I said,

52:27

well to this one of the brother realizes

52:30

that, you know,

52:33

does he think about when he's driving on roads, how's

52:36

that paid for?

52:38

Does he think about.

52:38

When he's in Tampa and

52:41

they have disaster relief, hurricanes,

52:44

tornadoes, floods, where

52:47

that money comes from. It always trips

52:49

me out, these

52:51

folks who complain about

52:54

taxes but never

52:57

think about the stuff that taxes

53:00

pay for. And then

53:02

well, how dare you do it? And don't even realize that

53:04

Biden's plan is not increasing

53:07

your taxes Julian on the

53:09

four hundred thousand, it's increasing

53:11

your taxes on what you make above

53:14

the four hundred thousand.

53:17

Don't know understand the tax system at all, Roland.

53:20

As you know, they also don't understand,

53:22

as an example, this brother's fussing about

53:24

four hundred thousand. If

53:27

you pay into the Social Security system, you're

53:29

capped out at about one hundred and sixty thousand.

53:32

So all these people who make more than one hundred and sixty

53:34

thousand are not paying into the Social Security

53:36

system, which is why we have so many inequities

53:39

there as you talk. As you mentioned

53:41

roads, bridges regulation, we've

53:44

had several challenges with airline

53:46

airplanes rather you know, parts

53:48

falling out the sky and carrying on. The Federal

53:50

Aviation Administration is a

53:53

regulatory agency that basically

53:56

is financed by our tax dollars. We're

53:58

about to go into the season of extreme heat.

54:01

OSHA Office of Safety and Health

54:03

Administration is the one that passes

54:06

regulations about breaks

54:08

and things like that. And quite frankly, your

54:10

friend mister de Satan down there

54:12

in Florida, they just passed a law that

54:14

said that prohibit localities from

54:17

regulating breaks. Who works

54:19

outside in the winter in the summer

54:21

rather round folks, black folks,

54:24

you know, people are agricultural, they

54:26

have get hate heatstroke.

54:28

Ocean needs to step in there. So there's

54:30

so many things that our taxes pay for.

54:32

Our schools.

54:33

Of course, local taxes paid for

54:36

but also Title I schools,

54:38

which are schools that serve

54:41

people below a certain income level, neighborhoods

54:44

before a certain income level. Title one give

54:47

federal grants because they're the

54:49

taxes. Local taxes don't pay enough

54:51

for them.

54:51

So there.

54:52

I mean, everybody

54:54

fusses about taxes, and we know sometimes

54:57

a good reason, but the facts that we have to look

54:59

at what the tax are for, how the taxes.

55:01

Enhance our lives, and what we're

55:04

getting and y'all, I'll tell you.

55:05

I had an argument with some conservative

55:08

on the radio recently, and

55:11

the woman was talking about eliminating

55:13

taxes, and I said, how would

55:16

Yobama? And she said what

55:18

I said, I just want to know. I'm curious. She said

55:20

she was seventy eight. I said, does she get Social Security?

55:23

She has said, taxes pay for that. Even

55:26

if it is not the Social Security taxes,

55:28

they don't fully cover it. The Social Social

55:32

Security administration is also

55:34

because all these people talk about they don't like taxes,

55:36

need to look at their lives and look at their pocketbooks

55:39

and figure out what they're getting for those taxes.

55:42

You know what I thought was interesting, Derek

55:45

when I saw this piece here and go

55:47

to my iPad Anthony. This is the piece

55:49

itself is in the Wall Street Journal. I don't

55:51

think on myself as rich the Americans crossing

55:53

Biden's four hundred thousand dollars tax

55:55

line. And you know this guy,

55:58

Aaron Little's or Tampa says

56:00

he feels unfairly targeted by.

56:03

The four hundred thousand dollars cutoff. Okay

56:05

now, and so there was a

56:08

quote in here, let me find it.

56:09

Uh.

56:10

And I sort of laughed when

56:12

I saw his quote because

56:16

he was he was highly offended

56:20

by the by this.

56:23

And hold, wait, wait till I find it.

56:26

He goes, I've hit the American

56:29

dream and now I'm going to have

56:31

to pay more taxes. That doesn't

56:33

feel great to me. It's demotivating.

56:36

Darrenk his was crazy.

56:38

I this.

56:41

You know when when when you hear that, it's.

56:44

It's strange to me. It's strange

56:47

to me when I hear

56:49

that. And and part of the reason, part

56:51

of the reason, Derek, why

56:56

why, Part of the reason why I

56:58

was I

57:00

was looking up. Part of the part of the

57:02

reason why I was looking up, I

57:08

was looking at where I grew up because

57:12

Saturday I

57:15

stood in Saturday,

57:18

I stood in my new

57:20

backyard, and.

57:25

I saw this. I

57:27

saw this.

57:28

Uh, And so I

57:30

thought about where I grew

57:32

up with my parents,

57:35

not the one who went to college, parents

57:37

who never made more than fifty

57:39

thousand dollars a year. And

57:42

I thought, I thought about where I am now.

57:45

I thought about moving into a new home,

57:47

still owning my home in Texas, where my parents

57:50

live and my nephew lives.

57:52

There, and the life that I have.

57:55

And the last thing I'm about to do, Derek

57:59

is say some booty shit like,

58:01

oh my god, a

58:04

tech You know, raising taxes is demotivating.

58:08

No, it's not.

58:09

But also I have to understand that,

58:14

you know what, the road that I

58:16

drove on, the

58:18

cops that patrol the area,

58:22

the lights, the sewer

58:25

system, the highway,

58:27

all those things are paid via

58:30

tax dollars. Now, I

58:32

totally understand folks

58:34

saying I want to keep as much

58:36

as much money as I

58:39

can make, and so as a business

58:41

owner, I understand that. But when

58:43

my accountant tells me, hey, Roland,

58:45

when you buy these things, you can

58:47

write all of that money off, well,

58:50

that means I'm gonna go buy some other stuff for the

58:52

studio to make us better, to lower

58:54

my tax threshold. But the fact of the matter

58:57

is when I write that check, I

59:00

so understand how I wanted

59:02

to be used, how not don't want to be wasted.

59:04

But this notion of oh,

59:07

sure, let's demand this

59:10

and this and this from government, but

59:12

I don't want to pay for it. I want somebody else to pay

59:14

for it. Where and the hell you think it comes from?

59:18

You know, Roland.

59:21

When you think about this discussion or this

59:24

debate between socialism and capitalism,

59:28

folks who have been.

59:32

Received a lot of those tax.

59:34

Dollars by way of incentives

59:37

and grants, they don't talk

59:39

about that PPP

59:42

where they think that money came from Roland?

59:46

Right?

59:46

These grants pel France,

59:49

as you already

59:51

outlined, wationed

59:54

about the infrastructure. And so when you think

59:56

about where our tax

59:59

dollars paid for for the hospitals, the

1:00:02

schools, the infrastructure, the

1:00:04

fire department, all these things is

1:00:10

a source by our tax I want to highlight rolling

1:00:13

is this when you think about

1:00:16

the industrial revolution that took

1:00:18

place in the United States, the rocket

1:00:20

feilers, Vanderbilt, JP,

1:00:24

Morgan, all of them. How

1:00:26

you think they started their company, the

1:00:28

governor, the government incentivize

1:00:31

them to lay that rail. Where

1:00:34

do you think Boeing get their dollars

1:00:36

from to build airplanes

1:00:39

government. So these tax dollars

1:00:42

are being used to help

1:00:44

individuals basically

1:00:47

push their business forward. Right

1:00:50

Steve Jobs, you know he got a

1:00:53

lot of money from government to help

1:00:55

build out Apple and

1:00:57

so on and so forth. So I just find it very

1:01:00

interested when we had this conversation around

1:01:03

socialism and capitalism, those

1:01:05

who like Elon Musk don't

1:01:07

tell the truth that they got six hundred

1:01:10

million dollars to help him become

1:01:12

the multi billionaire that he is.

1:01:16

I'm a congo the fund. It's been interesting.

1:01:19

So some some food

1:01:21

named Sean Ryan on our.

1:01:22

YouTube chat goes where has socialism

1:01:26

ever worked?

1:01:27

Anthony? Go to my iPad.

1:01:30

Sean Ryan is typing

1:01:33

on a thing called the Internet that was

1:01:35

actually created by the United States government.

1:01:39

Government researchers created

1:01:43

the Internet.

1:01:45

You see right here This article

1:01:47

was publishing in Scientific Americans former blog network,

1:01:51

and it says right here, okay,

1:01:54

right here, that the Pentagon, our

1:01:58

pennet, was the Internet's

1:02:00

immediate predecessor. And

1:02:03

it talks about when the

1:02:06

Internet was founded, when it was privatized.

1:02:08

We can go on and on and on, the bottom line

1:02:11

is it was government researchers

1:02:13

that put us in the position right now, Folks

1:02:15

don't seem to pay any attention to that. The

1:02:18

point I'm making is if

1:02:20

we're gonna sit here, and I mean we can,

1:02:22

we can debate, and we want to argue. Like I had a guy

1:02:24

on Twitter. He goes, well, ially,

1:02:26

the four hundred thousand dollars is this? I

1:02:28

find this to be hilarious. He goes, uh,

1:02:31

the four hundred thousand dollars is

1:02:33

uh? Is just arbitrary.

1:02:36

I said, okay. And he was talking about

1:02:39

how.

1:02:41

How what his family makes and if

1:02:44

my wife is this, and and and uh and

1:02:46

and and and and uh and I'm

1:02:48

this here and and I'm listening to

1:02:50

him talk and I went, hmm,

1:02:53

I wonder if he even understands what the median

1:02:56

average income is in

1:02:59

the United States. And

1:03:01

he was just and again, he was just sitting here, talking

1:03:04

and talking, and I was like, okay,

1:03:07

and he was complaining about this arbitrary

1:03:11

four hundred thousand mark.

1:03:13

And I had to remind him of this.

1:03:15

Here is

1:03:18

that, y'all.

1:03:20

This right here, this right

1:03:23

here is from the

1:03:26

US Justice Department.

1:03:29

This says the following.

1:03:30

This is called Census Bureau

1:03:33

Median family income by family

1:03:35

size. The following

1:03:37

table provides median family income data,

1:03:39

reproducing a format design for

1:03:42

ease of use in bankruptcy forms.

1:03:46

You'll see right here, Okay,

1:03:50

starting with Alabama, it shows one

1:03:53

earner all the way to

1:03:56

family size. You'll see

1:03:58

here that the so Hawaii

1:04:02

is saying with four people, four people,

1:04:04

Hawaii is it one hundred and twenty five thousand.

1:04:07

Connecticut is at one hundred and thirty seven thousand.

1:04:10

Let me go see if anybody is higher than the Connecticut.

1:04:12

Maryland is one hundred and thirty eight thousand. Okay,

1:04:16

New Jersey is one hundred and forty thousand.

1:04:19

New York is one hundred and seventeen thousand. So

1:04:22

New Jersey is the highest with

1:04:25

four kids. The median family

1:04:27

income in New Jersey it's one hundred and

1:04:29

forty thousand. On the congo this

1:04:32

food, This dude is complaining,

1:04:34

and y'all, here's the numbers right

1:04:37

here, four people, y'all is right

1:04:39

here.

1:04:40

It's Justice dot Gov.

1:04:41

The data is right there, eighty

1:04:44

five thousand, one hundred and eight eighty nine.

1:04:45

Let me see what the lowest here is.

1:04:47

So New Jersey's eight is one hundred

1:04:49

and forty thousand, so the

1:04:51

marketing is eighty.

1:04:53

Five Stachusetts, Massachusetts one hundred

1:04:55

and forty eight.

1:04:56

Okay, Matthews is one hundred and forty eight, so they're the highest.

1:04:58

Okay, so right here, Alabama's

1:05:01

eighty five six eighty seven. Let's

1:05:04

see if anybody right here, Mississippi

1:05:06

is seventy four eight eight eight. New

1:05:08

Mexico is seventy thousand and three sixteen.

1:05:11

Letsie if anybody lord the New Mexico. No,

1:05:14

so Massachusetts. New Mexico

1:05:16

is seventy three hundred

1:05:18

and sixteen dollars. Massachusetts

1:05:22

is one hundred and forty eight thousands of ourned thirteen.

1:05:24

That's median family income.

1:05:26

I'm like, bruh, you complaining

1:05:29

that four hundred thousand on the congo is

1:05:32

arbitrary when you're

1:05:34

making two and a half times more

1:05:37

than what the median family

1:05:39

income Massachusetts make. This is

1:05:41

why I try to tell some people, listen

1:05:45

to what your dumbass is saying. I

1:05:48

cannot sit here at

1:05:50

somebody making that salary.

1:05:52

Well, this is just a damn shame.

1:05:54

That's why.

1:05:55

That's why I went back and looked

1:05:57

at the house I grew up in. Remind

1:06:00

my ass where I came.

1:06:02

From you are absolutely

1:06:04

right.

1:06:05

You know, doctor King, when he talked about socialism

1:06:07

versus capitalism, you know, he says, in America we

1:06:09

have socialism for the rich and capitalism

1:06:11

for the poor.

1:06:12

This idea the poor got to pull it on bootstraps

1:06:14

up.

1:06:14

But when you're talking about rich, when we talked about

1:06:17

you know, Tesla and other groups, they get that government

1:06:19

assistance and that help. When we talk about these

1:06:21

stadiums, these big stadiums that these owners of

1:06:23

these teams never paid for it, you know,

1:06:25

taxpayers dollars, you know, they.

1:06:27

Build these things.

1:06:28

At every single juncture we talk about

1:06:30

what taxes are doing for our economy,

1:06:33

and I'm and I like when I see you know, these guys

1:06:35

called the patriotic millionaires, like some of

1:06:37

America's richest individuals, who constantly

1:06:40

say, tax us, taxes, taxes, We want to pay

1:06:42

our fair share. Because on the flip side of this, also

1:06:44

Roland is we got to look at the stock market and what's

1:06:46

happening of all of these people making all of this money

1:06:49

under Biden's economy, and the stock market is

1:06:51

raving in ways that it hasn't been as well. So

1:06:53

it's like they're trying to get it on both ends.

1:06:55

And so if we are not you know, mindful

1:06:58

of this, we're going to have people like that the

1:07:00

guy in that our applittles or is never his name is.

1:07:02

They're going to.

1:07:03

Become the new face of the people who are suffering

1:07:05

under Biden's tax policies. When every

1:07:08

economic indicator for the most part, has been

1:07:10

up under Biden compared to Trump. And if

1:07:12

you're not going to look at what you have been able to

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get in this country, what you have been able to build in

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this country, and want to have no type of instance

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or instincts of wanting to give back,

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then it's definitely shame on you. But this is what our

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government, our so called leaders are doing.

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What did Trump say in twenty sixteen when Hillary Clan

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called him out, he said, not paying this amount of

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taxes it makes me smart, you know, being

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able to get away and buying the system. And

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so we see every single day they want to continue

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to gain the system. And the fact that our brother would

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say that and say that I'm going I'm going for Trump

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when he's going to do everything else to go against

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you as a black person. But you might get

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that tax cut. That's really all

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you're in it for. That's really it's

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disgraceful. It's really disgraceful.

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And so Mark Cuban was tweeting about

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this, and Mark Cuban actually posted

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the government. He posted this KPMG.

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that these things cost just

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something, just something people real quick,

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thirty seconds, I gotta go to the next guest coup.

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It's a false dichotomy to about socialism

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versus capitalism. What we're talking about

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is a compassionate capitalism, which.

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That's a whole other story.

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We're really talking about as a capitalism that

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is fair, right, that's what we're talking

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about. But no one is advocating Soviet

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style socialism. So it's a false psychotomy.

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But it allows crazy people to

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sort of say, oh, we're very towards socialism.

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No, what we want is a compassionate capitalism,

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everybody their fair share. We

1:09:01

have compassion for people at the bottom.

1:09:03

All right, folks.

1:09:04

When we come back, we're going to talk about

1:09:06

a lawsuit in Florida against

1:09:09

Governor Ron De Sampius his attack on

1:09:12

folks formerly incarcerated. You know, he'd been trying

1:09:14

to keep those folks from voting because he understands

1:09:17

that they could form a huge voting block

1:09:19

and not a lot of Republicans out of public

1:09:22

office in Florida. That's next, rolling

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who simply cannot tolerate

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black folks voting.

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And you are watching Roland Martin?

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Unfiltered Florida

1:11:35

govern Ronald Sanders and other Florida officials

1:11:37

are being sued over alleged voter

1:11:39

intimidation and confusion regarding

1:11:42

the voting rights of folks

1:11:44

formerly incarcerated.

1:11:47

Some have said felon's voting rights.

1:11:50

So the language there seventy four

1:11:52

pages. A civil lawsuit following huge district court

1:11:54

in Miami says the lack of a reliable

1:11:57

database to determine voter eligibility

1:12:00

for individuals with convictions

1:12:03

is unconstitutional. Desmond Mead, who

1:12:05

leads the group they're behind the law suit,

1:12:08

he jones us right now and.

1:12:10

This is the thing what we saw.

1:12:12

Rohnda Santis had folks

1:12:15

arrested who were formerly

1:12:17

incarcerated, who were told they could vote,

1:12:20

and every single one of those cases got thrown

1:12:22

out when the judge said they were told

1:12:24

they can vote.

1:12:25

What the hell is this here? But that was his

1:12:27

intent.

1:12:27

He wanted to see a chilling

1:12:30

It was making a chilling effect to cause people

1:12:32

say, hey, man, you know what, I listen,

1:12:35

I don't even want to chance it. Because they were arrested,

1:12:37

they were inconvenience, they had to go to jail,

1:12:40

was all kind of dromly to go through. And

1:12:42

that's really what their goal was.

1:12:45

Yes, well, first of all, Rob listen,

1:12:47

thank you so much for Roland

1:12:50

for having me on the show tonight. But

1:12:52

let me tell you, yes, it's just a complete mess

1:12:54

here in Florida. But I want

1:12:56

to be very clear, at the core

1:12:59

of our lawsuit is a very

1:13:01

fundamental question that I

1:13:03

believe have not only implications

1:13:06

in Florida, but also national implications,

1:13:09

right, And that question is simple, whose

1:13:11

responsibility is it to

1:13:13

determine voter eligibility? Like

1:13:16

we've seen cases in other states where

1:13:18

people relied on the state, where the state issued

1:13:20

vot identification cards, but yet

1:13:22

they were subsequently arrested and

1:13:25

in one case convicted of

1:13:28

voting illegally when they should not have been

1:13:31

convicted as such. And so we've seen

1:13:33

that exact same thing play out in Florida

1:13:36

where everyone who got arrested everyone

1:13:39

that the police stormed their homes and

1:13:41

was pulling people out in the middle of the night and

1:13:44

arrest the elderly people. Right, every

1:13:46

last one of those individuals had the

1:13:48

same thing in common. They were all issues

1:13:51

a voter identification card. And if a

1:13:53

person cannot rely on the state to

1:13:56

determine whether or not they're elgible to vote, then

1:13:58

who the heck can they rely on?

1:14:00

And that is what sits at the.

1:14:02

Crux of our lawsuit, And

1:14:05

we want the state to admit that they

1:14:07

have known about a failed election

1:14:10

system since butsh v gore when

1:14:12

hundreds of people were removed from

1:14:15

the voting roles in an election that

1:14:17

was decided by a little over five hundred

1:14:20

votes. And so we want the state,

1:14:22

we want to court, the force to state to first

1:14:24

of all admit responsibility for

1:14:27

determined vote eligibility, but

1:14:29

they invest in necessary resources

1:14:31

to create a system that is

1:14:33

accurate, that people can rely on and

1:14:36

that they could be feel confident to be able to

1:14:38

go and vote without the fear of arrests.

1:14:41

Absolutely absolutely. And the

1:14:43

other thing is this here, you got

1:14:45

to have the clarity. This is early on, because

1:14:48

what they do is they always want to wait late.

1:14:50

Off, it's just too late, too

1:14:52

late. No, folks need to know now, they

1:14:55

need to know this summer if they can actually

1:14:58

you know, registered to vote. And what they did

1:15:00

is we saw what happened when the Amendment four was passed

1:15:03

overwhelming in the state. Then Republicans went

1:15:05

back in uh and uh and played

1:15:08

around with and then say oh no, no, you got to pay,

1:15:10

you got to pay all your fines. And so they came

1:15:12

back and then and their conservative Supreme

1:15:14

Court backed them up on it. Uh. And

1:15:16

so that through through another monkey ridge in

1:15:18

it, and that's what the that's what the

1:15:21

fear is they would try try to do the same thing

1:15:23

come this year to again keep

1:15:25

those one point four million people from

1:15:28

UH being eligible to vote.

1:15:30

Well, Roland, there's two things. One thing I want to well, the

1:15:32

main thing I want to make Claire is that this thing

1:15:34

is really not that difficult. It's really not that right.

1:15:37

And the reason why I say that because right now,

1:15:39

in Florida, if I were to get traffic

1:15:41

tickets in multiple counties in Florida

1:15:44

and don't pay those traffic tickets right and

1:15:46

my license get suspended. If

1:15:49

I go to any county in the state

1:15:51

of Florida to say I want to get

1:15:54

a driver's license or reinstate my

1:15:56

driving license, I don't.

1:15:57

Care what county I go to.

1:15:59

Then were immediately be able to say no, you

1:16:02

cannot get a driver's license because

1:16:04

you owe money in these four or

1:16:06

five different counties. This is how much

1:16:08

you actually owe, right, and until

1:16:11

you pay that you won't get it back. But the minute I pay

1:16:13

it, guess what, I get a clerics

1:16:15

and I'm able to get my license red stated

1:16:17

immediately. And so there is already

1:16:20

a system in place, right that

1:16:22

could tell people what they owe. If they

1:16:24

have outstanding traffic tickets, why

1:16:26

can't they be a system in place for something

1:16:29

even more vote. Well, I think it's more important

1:16:31

than driving, and that's being able to vote,

1:16:33

being able to cast a ballot.

1:16:37

So are you still hear from

1:16:39

people who were formerly coars

1:16:41

rated who are like man, I

1:16:43

don't know what to do. I told the story

1:16:45

of the brother in Texas

1:16:48

who voted in twenty twenty, stood

1:16:50

in line six hours, story was

1:16:52

done. Republicans came after him, and

1:16:55

this brother he was eventually cleared, but

1:16:57

he literally said to this.

1:16:58

Is the chronicle.

1:17:00

I'm not voting because I don't want to go through

1:17:02

this again. That right there

1:17:04

is what the feary is.

1:17:06

That is a chilling impact that resulted

1:17:09

because of the result of those arrests.

1:17:11

But how we're stepping up, you know, listen,

1:17:13

I say that when people push at us,

1:17:15

we push back even harder. So we stood

1:17:18

up a legal defense fund.

1:17:19

We stood up.

1:17:22

A bail fund to where if people are

1:17:24

getting arrested, we're bailing them out of jail.

1:17:27

If they're getting arrested.

1:17:28

For voting illegally, we're getting

1:17:30

pro bono attorneys from across the State of Florida

1:17:33

who has agreed to represent these individuals.

1:17:35

And what we've seen is that the majority of these cases

1:17:38

end up becoming successful because

1:17:41

we have strong advocates that's

1:17:43

representing these individuals.

1:17:45

In some cases, you know, we've seen reports

1:17:47

in the past we're in.

1:17:48

Other states, maybe that person didn't have a

1:17:50

strong representation, or maybe the

1:17:52

states sometimes try to try to scare

1:17:55

you or youth scare tactics to scare

1:17:57

someone into accepting.

1:17:58

The plea deal. We see that happen, and

1:18:01

so how we counteract that is.

1:18:02

By building a strong, informidable

1:18:05

army of attorneys across the state

1:18:07

of Florida that would stand up to the

1:18:09

state and push back and say, heck, no,

1:18:12

right. The person did not do anything wrong. They

1:18:14

relied on the state, They did not have

1:18:16

the requisite intent

1:18:19

to even be charged with this right,

1:18:21

much less of getting arrested.

1:18:24

And so therefore our band

1:18:26

of attorneys.

1:18:27

Are stepping up to let people know that listen,

1:18:29

we got your back.

1:18:30

Right if you honestly believe that

1:18:32

you are eligible to register the vote, Even

1:18:34

the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals have said

1:18:37

this right that when a person honestly

1:18:39

believes that they can vote They

1:18:41

should not be treated

1:18:44

like a common criminal.

1:18:45

They should not be arrested and thrown in jail.

1:18:48

Questions from the panel, Derek, your.

1:18:50

First, appreciate

1:18:52

your work in this space.

1:18:55

I continue to try to make the case that the John

1:18:57

Lewis Voter Rights Act, if it was an

1:18:59

act at UH in plays,

1:19:02

it will mitigate and resolve these kind of

1:19:04

issues.

1:19:06

Do you agree or disagree with that? The

1:19:09

only problem with that is.

1:19:10

That the states have a certain amount

1:19:13

of rights as it relates to whether or not the

1:19:15

allow citizens to vote, and that

1:19:17

John Lewis Act would have probably only apply

1:19:19

to federal election, right, which

1:19:22

I mean you you we have some

1:19:24

win there at a relation of federal election.

1:19:27

But we've said over the years that the

1:19:30

politics that impact us the

1:19:32

most our local politics, right, our

1:19:34

governor, our state attorney, the judges

1:19:37

that that that that sit on these benches, the

1:19:39

sheriffs that's running for office, right, those

1:19:42

are like very key races that we

1:19:45

have to be involved in, and the John

1:19:47

Lewis Act would probably not cover those

1:19:49

races.

1:19:53

Julian, Well, first

1:19:55

of all, thank you for your work and congratulations

1:19:57

on your prior victories, especially with

1:20:00

the legislation

1:20:02

that was passed to allow form and incarcerated people

1:20:04

to vote, even though Florida play with it.

1:20:07

I'm interested in what you

1:20:09

have an army of attorneys who

1:20:11

are I assume pro bono representing

1:20:14

these people who have been charged

1:20:17

with voting illegally. My question is,

1:20:19

what's the cost of that, even though they're pro bono.

1:20:22

What what kind of resource

1:20:24

use is that because of you, with

1:20:27

this malicious attack on these

1:20:29

voters, it's costing money

1:20:31

resources effort. Tell

1:20:33

me about how much not just dollar

1:20:36

dollar terms, but in terms of diverted

1:20:38

resources that could be used for other very

1:20:41

important voting rights issues.

1:20:43

Yeah.

1:20:44

So, and you make a valid point, you know, And

1:20:46

that's why there is that deep

1:20:48

level of appreciation for these attorneys

1:20:51

that are are volunteering

1:20:53

their time to represent individuals.

1:20:56

You know, we also have.

1:20:57

Volunteer attorneys that are also representing

1:21:00

people in court to get those fines

1:21:03

and fees actually waived

1:21:05

so they can convert it to community service

1:21:08

hours and that at the end they can

1:21:10

have that judicial.

1:21:11

Order that basically say that they're

1:21:14

free.

1:21:14

And clear and they could vote without fear

1:21:16

of getting arrested. And so we have

1:21:18

attorneys that are representing people

1:21:21

who have been charged and we also have attorneys

1:21:24

that are representing people who wants to get

1:21:26

clarification on their voter eligibility,

1:21:28

and if they have finding fees, we're going

1:21:30

into the courts and getting no finding

1:21:33

fees waived.

1:21:34

But when it comes to the costs.

1:21:36

I could only speculate that since it's

1:21:38

in the probably millions of dollars when

1:21:41

it's all said and done.

1:21:43

You know, when you when you account for attorneys

1:21:45

time.

1:21:47

That he spends on a case, the time

1:21:49

that our research has spend researching

1:21:51

the case and doing the state's job for it, you

1:21:54

know, there's manions of dollars that

1:21:57

could been allocated a reality

1:22:00

and used in other places. So

1:22:02

once again, we are grateful for the attorneys,

1:22:05

and every day we're getting more

1:22:07

attorneys that are volunteering to take

1:22:09

maybe one, two, or even three cases on

1:22:12

our behalf. And we're grateful

1:22:14

for that, and we just have to keep pushing. But the

1:22:17

cost of the burden, and I want to be very

1:22:19

clear with this, and we're saying this and our lawsuit

1:22:22

should not be on a nonprofit,

1:22:25

It should not be on us. The burden

1:22:27

of determining voter eligibility should

1:22:29

rest and reside with the state,

1:22:32

right especially when you have a state like Florida

1:22:34

like to preach about election integrity,

1:22:37

well, election integrity starts with

1:22:39

the state doing this dog gone job.

1:22:42

I'm a congo.

1:22:45

Thank you so much, jas And for your incredible work

1:22:47

over the years. It's really powerful

1:22:49

and it's impacted so many lives. I

1:22:52

want to know if you can speak to whether

1:22:54

there is a racial or

1:22:56

political dynamic in terms of food's being

1:22:59

targeted, because from a instance, we see

1:23:01

it's black folks and people who

1:23:03

are more likely to vote Democrat. I've

1:23:05

heard about stories about people in retirement

1:23:08

communities like the villages that's primarily

1:23:10

Republican people who have actually voted twice

1:23:12

intentionally and didn't receive any types

1:23:14

of reprimand or little reprimand could

1:23:17

you speak to some of that athosparity in terms of who's

1:23:19

actually being targeted.

1:23:21

So, yeah, you know, I don't know.

1:23:23

Fun of this is good news and bad news, right, but

1:23:25

you know, I think one of the best things that happened

1:23:28

was actually the first two people that went to trial

1:23:31

for that were arrested

1:23:34

by the Selection Integrity Unit were

1:23:37

actually people who were registered Republicans

1:23:39

who voted for Donald Trump. And I

1:23:42

thought that that was great, right, because I knew

1:23:44

they wasn't coming for them. Maybe

1:23:46

it was, I don't know, because at the time, you know, the

1:23:48

governor was a candidate

1:23:51

for the Republican nomination for president.

1:23:54

Right.

1:23:54

But what we've seen with the

1:23:56

arrest of these two individuals that were

1:23:58

registered Republican, it's an amazing opportunity

1:24:01

to talk about voting in a way that

1:24:04

went beyond just race. But when

1:24:06

you step back and just look at the counties

1:24:08

that were targeted, you would see more

1:24:12

progressive leaning counties.

1:24:13

You would see more.

1:24:16

Counties that had heavy African

1:24:18

American Latino population that was

1:24:20

being targeted as opposed to other counties.

1:24:23

Right.

1:24:23

And then you see Morolla,

1:24:25

the.

1:24:26

Cases that you was talking about that the courts throughout

1:24:29

was courts was the cases in which our

1:24:31

lawyers challenged the jurisdiction of

1:24:34

the statewide prosecutor to even

1:24:36

bring those charges, right. And because

1:24:38

what we're seeing was that the

1:24:41

statewide Office of Prosecution was

1:24:44

selecting the counties in which they wanted

1:24:46

to obsert the power of the

1:24:48

state attorney, right in counties

1:24:51

in which they didn't want the state attorney to

1:24:53

make a determination about whether or not the file charges

1:24:56

they exerted their

1:24:59

so called authority to do so, and

1:25:01

it just so happened that it was the only counties

1:25:03

they did that in were counties that had

1:25:05

progressive das or

1:25:08

das that were from

1:25:10

the Democratic Party.

1:25:12

They never took over.

1:25:14

They never usurped the power of a

1:25:16

DA that was a registered Republican.

1:25:19

They never did that, And so

1:25:21

that was very telling. It was very disappointing.

1:25:25

But like I said, the civil lining

1:25:27

is is that even when they were

1:25:29

just coming and targeting specific counties,

1:25:32

right when they cast that net, it

1:25:34

caught some of their own people. And now it

1:25:36

allowed us to have a much broader

1:25:38

conversation about how ridiculous

1:25:41

this is, how and the hell the state

1:25:43

could start arresting people because

1:25:46

of mistakes that they made, not the mistakes

1:25:48

that a person made.

1:25:52

Wow, any other questions

1:25:54

from palents? All

1:25:57

right, well that's been we appreciated.

1:25:59

Man.

1:25:59

Good luck in the lawsuit.

1:26:02

Thank you so much.

1:26:03

Yeah, and I'm surprised Desmond.

1:26:05

Uh.

1:26:06

Well, first of all, you at the office, but I know at

1:26:08

home you would have had your lights

1:26:10

and all your all your other just

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just for everybody who's watching.

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You know.

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Desmond tries his best to keep up

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uh with technology in yours truly,

1:26:21

uh, And it just drives them crazy because

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he'd be like, good job. Bros'd

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be like, yo, ro I got something

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and his wife Sheena.

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Thank you on the job, and I'm sure

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they gonna bring if he's gonna bring it for you,

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uh to get on the job.

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For me and his wife. Sheena is like, stop

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it. You can't compete with Roland. Stop

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Ah, Yeah, I'm gonna get

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you on these days.

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All right, We'll see.

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I just that was manifesting about life.

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I said, I would love to come back because

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it was a great time and these kids

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need that right now. They need that that

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that male role model in

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You know, the high school.

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You know what I mean.

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I would love to bring it back, and I think we could bring it

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back. You know, what do you think?

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I think I think we're just people. When you

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people a pope y'all want to hang him at

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Yeah, I said, let's go.

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We all look good.

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You can always count on Alabama doing some stupid

1:30:19

stuff. House Bill four into

1:30:21

law will allow for June

1:30:24

teenth on of course, celebrated on June

1:30:26

nineteenth, to become a state holiday, but

1:30:29

state employees could choose between recognizing

1:30:32

June tenth or the birthday

1:30:34

of one of the greatest traders in American

1:30:37

history, Jefferson Davis

1:30:39

on June third. Now

1:30:41

June teen celebrates the end of slavery in the United

1:30:43

States. Jefferson Davis Day

1:30:46

honors the band who wanted to keep slavery.

1:30:49

Some see this bill as a compromise,

1:30:51

a way to give people a choice and

1:30:54

make June tenth more acceptable.

1:30:57

Is this some bullshit, Derek?

1:31:01

I always I always find an amazing

1:31:03

rolling that anytime

1:31:07

relates to black people. Let's just make

1:31:09

this plane. We always got to

1:31:11

compromise, we always got to share, right.

1:31:14

This is almost like saying black

1:31:17

lives matter, Well, what about white lives

1:31:19

matter?

1:31:20

Right?

1:31:20

I mean, it just it just frustrates

1:31:23

me to no end. They

1:31:27

should not have a choice in Alabama.

1:31:29

Juneteenth is a

1:31:32

federal holiday.

1:31:34

But you're going to.

1:31:35

Try to, you know, lessen the blow

1:31:37

for the state employees in Alabama

1:31:40

and give them a choice.

1:31:42

Really, you're gonna get true.

1:31:45

So do we have a choice rolling for fourth

1:31:47

of July? Do we have a choice?

1:31:51

You know?

1:31:51

For for a Black History Month? They

1:31:53

gave us one day, they got the other eleven. And

1:31:56

so I just find it it's always that we have

1:31:58

to compromise when it comes

1:32:00

to black people.

1:32:02

It's just frustrating to no end.

1:32:04

But the crazy thing here, I'm a congo. So

1:32:08

y'all want to make the day that

1:32:12

it is designated.

1:32:13

To celebrate the end of.

1:32:18

Slavery in Texas a

1:32:21

state holiday, But you want

1:32:23

to give the option to celebrate

1:32:26

the birthday of the

1:32:28

enslaver and the man

1:32:30

who wanted to keep the who

1:32:32

left the Confederacy to keep the

1:32:35

very thing that you will celebrate,

1:32:38

go ahead.

1:32:41

And the celebrated man who said that he'd

1:32:43

even want the Confederate flag flowing at his

1:32:45

funeral.

1:32:46

You know, when they lost, right if they lost. Look,

1:32:48

this is amazing

1:32:51

this country.

1:32:51

I don't know any country in the world that celebrates

1:32:54

losers as much as the United States

1:32:56

does. And they want to keep

1:32:58

the Confederate idea alive, the idea

1:33:00

of the loss caused alive. And then the question

1:33:03

I have Roland is how does this get taught

1:33:05

in schools? Because we see what Alabama's

1:33:07

doing as it relates to getting rid of our history

1:33:10

and in all of this fake critical race dairy

1:33:12

legislation that people are passing, how

1:33:14

are they handling this? What is this going

1:33:16

to look like in the books? Because I'm sure they're not

1:33:19

even going to be talking about Juneteenth in the books.

1:33:21

And so they give the employees the option to

1:33:23

choose which holidays they want to recognize. But then

1:33:25

in the books they can't even read about the stuffer. You can't

1:33:27

even teach about it. The hypocrisy is

1:33:30

so real, but it shows how they're

1:33:32

just trying to hold on to everything in every

1:33:34

way, shape or form. And we have to continue

1:33:37

to fight, We have to continue to speak up,

1:33:39

we have to continue to call out this hypocrisy.

1:33:41

And all of those you know, white folks who lived

1:33:43

out in Alabama who claim to go to

1:33:45

the rallies and believe in black lives matter and say,

1:33:48

are y'all speaking up or are y' all challenging

1:33:50

the government on this?

1:33:51

This can't just be a black people issue. If

1:33:53

you believe that.

1:33:54

Our history matters and that our lives

1:33:56

matter, you should be speaking up as well. But

1:33:58

again, Roland, we continue,

1:34:01

not we, but in this country, there are so many

1:34:03

elements here who want to continue to celebrate

1:34:05

the losers.

1:34:06

This is what Trump is playing off of.

1:34:07

And if we continue to push back, we will eventually

1:34:10

win and stop having to compromise on situations

1:34:12

like this. This is the start, but it's not gonna be where

1:34:14

it's gonna end, because we're gonna get the full

1:34:16

recognition and Jefferson Davis, the

1:34:18

loser, is not gonna be there. It's

1:34:20

just a matter of time. This is where we are today, but

1:34:23

it's not where it's gonna last truly.

1:34:24

On I'm just laughing,

1:34:26

Rolod, I can't stop laughing the temerity

1:34:29

of Alabama, the other nerve

1:34:32

of them to try to pair Jefferson

1:34:35

Davis with Juneteenth. The

1:34:37

problem is that while it's hilarious on one

1:34:39

hand, it raises challenges on the other,

1:34:42

for black employees in particular, people

1:34:45

have to make a choice. Will people be pressured to

1:34:47

make the Jefferson Davis choice? What role

1:34:49

will human resources play this? Will this

1:34:52

be a red flag for racists? There are a lot

1:34:54

of questions that are raised. How will the choice

1:34:56

be made? You go on to hr one June Teeth. While

1:35:01

it's hilarious and it's ahistorical,

1:35:03

it's so ahistorical. People don't

1:35:06

keep behaving. It's the Confederacy. We're

1:35:08

just some states rights group. Where we go

1:35:10

and read the Confederates Constitution.

1:35:13

They talk about being built on

1:35:15

the premise that black people are

1:35:17

inferior, built on the premise. So

1:35:20

when you celebrate Jefferson Davis,

1:35:22

what you're celebrating is the premise that

1:35:25

black people are inferior. Now

1:35:27

we know that there are many who do believe that, but

1:35:30

let's be clear, don't give me this. Oh,

1:35:33

we're just celebrating our history. The

1:35:35

daughters of the Confederate Revolution. We just

1:35:37

celebrate our ancestry. The ancestors

1:35:39

were sacks of you know what,

1:35:42

who basically revel in enslavement

1:35:45

because they could not have had a Southern

1:35:47

economy without free black

1:35:49

labor.

1:35:50

So when you.

1:35:51

Celebrate Jefferson, say Davis, that's what you're

1:35:53

celebrating. And when you're celebrating

1:35:55

jun teeth, you're celebrating freedom, the end

1:35:58

of enslavement, the imperfect end of slavery

1:36:00

because it has continued. Again,

1:36:03

the pairing of the two is cynical.

1:36:05

It's cynical, beyond

1:36:08

cynical, and it's a historic

1:36:11

And again we're talking to Alabama. We

1:36:14

looked at the numbers in terms of incomes. We

1:36:16

could look at the numbers in terms of education, Alabama,

1:36:18

Mississippi, Louisiana, sometimes

1:36:21

Arkansas consistently at the bottom

1:36:23

of the pile.

1:36:24

And this is the bottom of the pile.

1:36:25

Thinking, all right, folks, real quick

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Donald Trump and the New York Atorney General's Office

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Also, of course, speaking of Trump the first

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day his testimony ended early today due

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before being dismissed. Prosecutor Matthew

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Michael Cohen, his former attorney.

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Colangelo said, the former.

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Publisher of the National Choir will testify

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that he met with Trump after the election, and

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Trump thanked him for dealing

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with the stories about women claiming

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to have had an affair with him. Trump's

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lawyer told the jury that he did nothing wrong

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and that they will find him not guilty. Testimony

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resumes Tuesday morning.

1:41:20

All right, folks, time for when.

1:41:38

This is National Minority Health of Month, and we're examining

1:41:40

mental health versus mental illness.

1:41:42

We all, we all are

1:41:45

on the mental health.

1:41:46

Spectrum, but that doesn't mean we have the

1:41:48

illness to talk about. That is doctor Don

1:41:51

Brown, a child, adult and sports

1:41:53

psychiatrist out of Houston Dot

1:41:55

Glad to have you on the show. So explain the difference

1:41:58

we talk about people

1:42:00

who struggle with their mental health

1:42:02

versus those who have mental illness. All

1:42:10

right, let's get Doc's a

1:42:12

signal straight. Looks like it froze and

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so I'm gonna do this shit. Go to a quick break.

1:42:17

We'll come back. We'll get our signal straight right back

1:42:19

on the show.

1:42:26

I was just in my backyard. I just had I was

1:42:28

manifesting about life.

1:42:29

I said, I would love to come back because

1:42:31

it was a great time and these kids

1:42:34

need that right now. They need that that

1:42:36

that male role model in

1:42:39

the schools. I think because

1:42:42

people are scared of going to the high school, you.

1:42:44

Know, the high school.

1:42:45

You know what I mean.

1:42:46

I would love to bring it back, and I think we could bring it

1:42:48

back.

1:42:49

You know what do you think?

1:42:50

I think I think we're the people.

1:42:51

When you people, We'll do a pope.

1:42:53

Y'all want to hang them at the Kocho. Yeah, I said, let's

1:42:55

go we all looked good.

1:42:57

You know, Ali looked good.

1:42:58

You know Raven looked the.

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Same A Mark, Yes, Don Lewis.

1:43:02

They'd be funny than have the bullet to see

1:43:04

out there on TV?

1:43:05

Now, God, tell what

1:43:08

the fuck.

1:43:11

What happened to TV?

1:43:14

It's it's something I'm like, Oh my god.

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Hey, Yo, what's up? It's Mr Dalvin right here? What's

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All right, folks, we're talking the difference between mental

1:43:58

health mental illness, doctor, Doc Brown, Jones,

1:44:00

so dot, so explain it different people

1:44:02

talk about focusing on their mental health,

1:44:05

even when you talk about folks with depression.

1:44:08