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right, well we've got a great show. We've

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out. And so in the spirit of

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tonight's festivities. So we just

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came up to the beach and said,

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Bob, I really want to open the show

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with you. And so I

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have a big decision

2:10

today. And I'm going to open

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the show. So it's down

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to five. OK? All

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right, here they come. We've

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got Dr. Eddie Gervan. How are you

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doing? How

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are you doing? Oh,

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what a night. Oh,

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it's really

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lovely. OK?

2:47

All right, now I've invited you.

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It's down to five. OK,

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now I need a little help. OK?

2:55

So if you could all just very quickly stand

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behind a microphone. If

3:00

you could just make the case. OK?

3:03

Rob, I'm... Hold on, are these

3:05

microphones on? Rob,

3:08

I am starving to talk about

3:10

this episode. I'm starving for it.

3:13

OK. Rob,

3:15

I think whatever decision you make will be good. I think

3:18

you should not feel guilty. I appreciate that. No

3:20

matter who you choose. Yeah. I

3:22

mean, I'm not going to beg. Rob,

3:25

I've lost weight since I've been here. Please. OK.

3:29

OK. It's

3:31

been my dream ever since I was like a

3:33

young guy. I haven't pooped in

3:35

three weeks unrelated to this. I just...

3:38

It would mean a lot to me to just get to

3:40

like lead the show up. OK.

3:48

OK. OK.

3:55

I think I have a

3:57

decision. OK. Rock,

4:02

paper, scissors. Okay.

4:05

Kelly and Franny,

4:08

could you? Okay.

4:10

Okay. All right. All right. Okay.

4:18

That settles it. All right. Let's go. Ebby,

4:21

Franny, Kelly, Owen. Okay. I

4:27

got voted out at one of these and

4:29

somehow this is sadder. I'm going to take

4:32

off. All right. Thank you. All

4:38

right. How's everybody

4:40

doing? Microphones are too

4:43

high. We got

4:46

to check that before. Okay. All right. But

4:49

it was a very interesting episode

4:51

here tonight and a lot of,

4:53

I felt like this was a

4:55

night of very big decisions that

4:57

had to get made by

5:00

the players. We referenced the

5:04

big decision that Maria had to make, but

5:07

I'd like to start with Charlie because I

5:09

feel like that this was an episode that

5:11

was very much through

5:13

the lens of what is Charlie

5:15

going to do coming out

5:17

of the last episode. I felt that Charlie was

5:20

in this very interesting position where he really, it

5:22

seems like that he has the group that he's

5:24

with, but then also the possibility to go with

5:27

this other group, the people

5:29

that were between Kenzie, Venus, and

5:31

Liz, who were sort of on

5:33

the outs and could have gone either way,

5:36

but ultimately decided to

5:38

go with the group that blindsided

5:40

Tiffany. So I would love to

5:43

talk that through and if Charlie

5:45

made the right decision. Yeah.

5:48

You know, it's a tough, it's a tough episode

5:50

because well, first of all, the 46 cast was

5:53

killing it. Like every episode is so fun. So,

5:55

seriously. Yeah. And

5:58

it's tough because, you know, I feel like for so much

6:01

of the episode, we saw Charlie really articulating all

6:03

the reasons why it really makes sense to get

6:05

out Q. You get

6:07

out Q, you weaken Maria's power, now

6:09

Maria only has U. It

6:11

seemed so apparent, and I don't know, from what we

6:13

got from the episode, it seemed like you got a

6:15

little freaked out of the mystery of

6:17

what Venus can do, but at the end of

6:19

the day, you're trying to set up a Final

6:21

Four with Venus, you have to kind

6:23

of keep Venus in the game to do that. So,

6:28

yeah, I

6:30

think that Charlie's in a really interesting position.

6:32

What's curious to me about Charlie is the

6:34

fact that, I feel like throughout the season,

6:36

we have seen him talk so much about

6:38

his position, his decision making, where he thinks

6:40

the game is at, and yet you have

6:42

all these people saying, he's meek,

6:44

I'm not sure if he can make

6:46

decisions, which feels so contrary to what

6:48

we're seeing, so it's really interesting how

6:50

we're seeing him as an audience versus

6:52

how others are perceiving him. I honestly

6:55

think that he's in a fine position, regardless of

6:57

who went home tonight, because either way, he still

6:59

has people in front of him who are perceived

7:01

as bigger threats, and he's in

7:03

a position where he can start to kind of

7:05

spread his wings a little bit, if he continues

7:08

to target Maria in the next vote. Yeah,

7:10

I think we really all need to go to

7:12

the Charlie Davis School of Threat Management. Yeah.

7:15

It's incredible. Just talk about who wins all

7:17

the time. That was annoying how little notes I

7:19

have for Charlie. We got it.

7:23

Eddie wins challenges, and Kenzie

7:25

called him the court jester to

7:27

Maria. Right, so that is shocking. But

7:30

I feel like for Charlie making this decision,

7:33

one of the themes of this season, to

7:35

me, is how much chaos are you willing

7:37

to deal with. And I'm looking

7:39

at Venus in Q, and everyone's like, Venus

7:41

is so chaotic, that's fair. I'm like, have

7:44

we forgotten that Q? Also,

7:46

we're like chaotic. It's like apples

7:48

and oranges to me, so I mean, we'll see what

7:51

happens in terms of this is better and not for

7:53

Charlie, but I think he's played the

7:55

middle so well that no matter what happens,

7:57

he's actually in a really good spot. Yeah,

7:59

I can. I completely agree. It's been fascinating

8:01

to see and a little frustrating just

8:04

because I think Maria is playing amazing

8:06

and hearing her game get explained through

8:08

Charlie's lens is it comes

8:10

off a little maybe one-sided I suppose.

8:13

But I agree with Franny's point. Like I think

8:15

he's got shields ahead of him. I think having

8:17

the chaos of Q who's always there as a

8:19

name that's easy to say. It's been said a

8:22

million times at this point. I think that's something

8:24

to keep around. But yeah, the man in the

8:26

skirt is a total wild card. So I don't

8:28

understand how... Well, I feel like

8:30

that Q was a wild

8:32

card. And I feel like that it's been

8:35

a tale of two games for Q where

8:37

he had the game where he was the

8:39

one controlling everything. It was Q's way

8:42

or the highway with the six.

8:44

But really since that point, I

8:47

feel like that it has been that

8:49

Q is just like a very passive

8:51

player in the game. We see him

8:53

like laying down and

8:56

not really trying to organize the

8:58

vote. And he's a distraction. But

9:00

it's almost like that this new

9:02

version of Q has been like this

9:04

perfect vehicle for Maria to be able

9:07

to just like that he is super

9:09

loyal to what Maria wants to do

9:11

and has been like this great smokescreen

9:13

for these last couple of votes. And

9:15

it's not even that Q other than

9:18

the reward challenge business from last week

9:20

that he himself has not really been

9:22

trying to dictate how things go. Well,

9:24

another thing that's weird about Q is

9:26

like exactly what you just said, Rob. He's kind of

9:28

like lying down, playing dead a little bit, like has

9:30

really taken his foot off the gas. But the rhetoric

9:32

around him is still that he's a big threat. Like

9:34

we had people this week saying you need to make

9:36

a big move. We need to take out this big

9:38

threat. And I'm like, big press a who? Like who

9:40

is going to vote for him at the end? Who

9:42

is... This win. This win. This

9:45

win. So just like, I don't know, it's so

9:47

interesting. Like there seems to be a real disparity

9:49

this season between how we understand the players and

9:52

how they understand each other. And I

9:54

think that's making it like really hard for me to understand

9:56

their decision making. I'd love

9:58

to just come back to Charlie because I think... I

10:00

feel like that the thing that was

10:02

so interesting in this episode was that

10:04

Maria winning immunity, I feel like really

10:06

changed this because Charlie was positioned where

10:08

he was set up that he did

10:10

a thing that I thought was so

10:12

interesting where in a season where so

10:14

many people are vying for credit, I

10:16

need the credit, it was my move.

10:18

Charlie is the only person that I've

10:20

seen that is giving the credit and

10:22

I'm like, oh, that was Maria's move.

10:24

That wasn't me. And I really

10:26

think that that's such an interesting idea for

10:29

where Survivor is right now. And

10:32

I really, I love that style of play of

10:34

like, I don't want to take any credit. And

10:36

then when I get to the end, I can

10:38

explain it. And

10:40

I guess people have to believe you. Right. And

10:43

that is where I do feel pretty nervous for

10:45

Charlie about this. I mean, we are watching the

10:47

version of Charlie where we see him explaining and

10:49

really talking through all his decisions where it's all

10:52

seeming really logical. But as it

10:54

was mentioned, you know, people are talking about Charlie

10:56

as a court jester and a pawn for Maria.

10:58

And at the end of the day in this move,

11:01

you know, he hyped up all the other players of

11:03

I'm ready to make a move. I'm ready to make

11:05

a move. You know how excited that makes you as

11:07

one of the players. And then for him to then

11:09

ultimately just do the thing that everyone expected that Maria

11:12

would obviously want, it doesn't ultimately look good for him. So

11:14

I think he really, if he is in that final three,

11:16

it's really going to be a test. He's

11:18

going to really need to sell it, which we see from his

11:21

confessionals he can do, but it's an uphill

11:23

battle, I feel like. Yeah. And I feel

11:25

like when you're at the final three, you can definitely not that I mean, not

11:27

that I've been there. I don't know.

11:29

But like you can definitely shift people's perceptions of

11:31

you. But I do not think you can flip

11:33

people's perceptions of you. Like if people get there

11:36

and have this idea that Charlie is meek Charlie

11:38

was a follower, it will be really, really hard

11:40

for him to change that mindset once he gets

11:42

there. Like he really needs to start planting those roots

11:44

now. And I'm actually nervous that like, I'm

11:47

nervous that we're getting to the point where it might be too late. I

11:49

hear I do hear what you're saying. But I think

11:51

that like the meta of the new era kind of

11:54

is to make your move at the exact right

11:56

time. I think you have like Mary Ann is

11:58

a good example of that. So we still have one

12:01

more normal vote, too.

12:03

And so if Charlie knows what to do,

12:05

then it's possible that he could make that

12:07

game-winning move right at the right time and

12:09

bring what we were just saying into Final

12:11

Tribal. I think it needs to be next

12:13

time. He has to do it. Yeah.

12:16

And that is where it's stressful because he's

12:19

got this fine line. If he wants Q

12:21

and Maria out before the four, it's got

12:23

to be perfect from here. It

12:26

really is hard, I think,

12:28

in this new era of

12:30

that you almost have to

12:32

choreograph exactly where the explosions

12:34

happen in the game because

12:36

I think for Charlie, he

12:38

could have potentially – and all

12:40

the votes were on Venus, and then the one-bin

12:43

vote was, I think, a shot in the dark

12:45

protection. So I don't know how really realistic

12:48

that four-person vote against

12:50

Q might have been. But

12:52

for Charlie, is that his big

12:55

move? Because now Maria's still there. If you vote

12:57

out Maria and you're Charlie, okay, that's my big

12:59

move. I can take credit for that. But can

13:01

Charlie really take credit for my big move is

13:03

now voting out Q? And

13:06

now Maria has the opportunity to really

13:08

poison the well against Charlie. It's just

13:10

not a clean takeout to vote out

13:12

Q at the Final 7. I

13:16

think it all depends on the attitude of

13:18

the jurors. For example, if Charlie takes

13:21

out Maria next time, if she is psyched

13:23

about him, psyched about their alliance, wants him

13:25

to represent what they did in the game,

13:27

then she could be a really good person

13:29

to have for him on the jury if

13:32

he can make it to the end. If

13:34

she feels, these are my moves, Charlie just

13:36

followed me, then she's the worst person to

13:38

have on the jury for him. So

13:41

that's where it really comes into play,

13:43

how and when you send certain people to

13:45

the jury and what they think about you when they're

13:47

leaving. Yeah, and there's the point as well that Maria

13:49

could think she has Charlie right where she wants him

13:52

and that she would beat him in a Final 3.

13:54

He wouldn't be able to explain the moves. She

13:57

would have all the credit in the world. So

13:59

that could put her guard down a little. bit

14:01

and give Charlie the opportunity to strike. And to

14:03

your point earlier about flipping perception at final

14:05

tribal council, I mean, yeah, but I mean I didn't help

14:10

my case by saying like, yeah, I did terrible, but

14:12

it is really difficult

14:16

and the way the jury is like structured

14:18

these days and the questions they are asking

14:20

like, we had a very specific question on

14:22

my jury that was, what

14:24

move did you take sole credit for?

14:27

And I had been involved in the

14:29

blindside on James, Noel and I used to steal

14:31

a vote, blah blah blah, but I didn't want to

14:33

stay there and be like, oh yeah, that was all

14:35

my idea because it wasn't. So it's really frustrating

14:38

to be put in that position to where

14:40

you're trying to articulate your game through the

14:42

lens of what someone else is looking at

14:44

and it can be really difficult. So yeah,

14:46

I think the clock is ticking. Yeah, that's

14:48

really interesting. Does the juror, as jurors, like

14:50

do you would like need to hear a

14:53

solo move from a person? Like does a

14:55

like being part of a move, does that

14:57

count? Does that move the needle? I

14:59

want to yap about this because I have a

15:02

strong opinion. I think that anything that you participate

15:05

in or choose not to participate in in

15:07

the game of Survivor counts as a move.

15:09

Any decision you make is a move. It

15:12

just depends on how well you can explain

15:14

it because honestly Charlie could go up there

15:16

and say, if I hadn't gone along

15:18

with some of Maria's ideas, they wouldn't have

15:21

gotten off the ground. Like they wouldn't have happened. I

15:23

think that like, depending on how you push it, anything

15:25

can be a move and I feel like it's people

15:28

get kind of like myopic about wanting to have

15:30

something be so strongly theirs and as we saw

15:32

with Maria, if she hadn't won immunity that could

15:34

have gotten her out this week just from

15:37

being so like focused on that. So yeah,

15:39

I think it's like I think people are a

15:41

little too, they're on the resume, you know, they're

15:43

too hyped on the resume. Yeah, but at the end

15:45

of the day, I mean I think what we see

15:47

throughout all the seasons of Survivor is you're playing the

15:49

game with the people that are there and the jury

15:51

is made up of the people that are there. So

15:54

if everyone in the season, which we've seen, is saying

15:56

this is how we're judging it, this is what we

15:58

respect, I mean Maria's getting tons of respect. back from

16:00

everybody in the game and that's extremely clear. Extreme

16:03

pull up Kim Maria for winning the

16:05

immunity when she really really needed it.

16:07

That was a hard, that looked hard.

16:09

Yeah, that looked really really hard. Yeah, I

16:11

mean that was amazing and so yeah at the end

16:13

of the day, like yeah I feel like that wasn't

16:16

how I was, that's not how I was viewing it,

16:18

that's not necessarily how I was voting, but clearly if

16:20

you're hearing that that's what everyone is going to vote

16:22

on, you had to have some, pay attention to

16:24

that. To your point Evie, I think that's a

16:26

huge part of the social game now is not

16:28

just reading each individual person but picking up on

16:30

the ethos of the whole season and how like

16:32

the groupthink works to a degree. I mean groupthink

16:35

is a little reductive but like just the social

16:37

contract was such a big part of my season

16:39

and just it's hard to pick up on and

16:41

you might pick up on it too late. So

16:43

I think they're collectively deciding that the resume, the

16:45

ownership of moves is very important to them and

16:47

we're seeing it in all these confessionals. It makes

16:50

me wonder how those questions are being posed behind

16:52

the scenes. It's like, so whose move was this?

16:54

Was this your idea? Was that Charlie's idea? Was that

16:56

Maria's idea? So I wonder if they're being prompted a

16:58

little bit as well. I mean is there groupthink possible

17:00

on that jury? I don't

17:04

know. We'll see. But I think that this

17:06

jury is going to be extremely difficult to

17:08

navigate but when we're talking about like polling

17:11

everyone that it's your move, right? I can

17:14

empathize with that. You want to go up

17:16

there and like show, you

17:18

can peacock at that point, right? But I always

17:21

think in my season when Dee was in

17:23

Final Tribal and we were sitting on the

17:25

jury watching the idol move being like, what

17:27

the hell is she doing? Like we were,

17:29

what the hell guys? And we were so

17:31

confused and like bummed. And then when she

17:33

was at Final Tribal, she's like, can I

17:35

say something? It almost added more power to

17:37

the move. The fact that she was able

17:40

to have that restraint, let us maybe think

17:42

that she was a little dumb for a

17:44

second and then you know, pulled the dagger

17:46

right at the right moment. Right. And

17:48

I feel like that really just gets you also

17:50

like the difference in play styles. Whereas like Erica

17:52

in my season was playing a quieter game on

17:54

the island. But then in front of in

17:57

the jury, you know, in front of us in the jury, she was

17:59

often speaking so well and you know

18:02

really recovered from Duchamp's truth from

18:04

throwback And so you

18:06

know we needed to see that because she was playing

18:08

that quieter game And so it did like up her

18:11

game where you have someone like D Who's playing such

18:13

a dominant game out there that you know maybe she can

18:15

get away with that You know I

18:17

want to talk about the reward and

18:19

or the immunity challenge that Maria won

18:22

She had to pick three two other people

18:24

to go with her to have pizza Franny

18:27

you were in a position

18:30

where That you at the

18:32

final eight got to pick people to go to the

18:35

sanctuary net first off you didn't get Applebee's

18:38

No, I had some shitty tacos.

18:40

I would have killed for Applebee's and I would

18:42

have eaten the bourbon burger, okay? Come

18:46

on yeah, okay, just real quick on Applebee's

18:49

like I know like it got like it

18:51

was in the episode that it was almost

18:53

like it got like like

18:56

negative Advertising that

18:58

so many people came up to me

19:00

like Applebee's is so terrible Is I

19:03

mean they tell you how much I hate Applebee's It's

19:06

fine right all I know is I thought about

19:08

Applebee's 1000% more this

19:10

week than I ever have in my life So but

19:13

so Franny could you just talk a little bit

19:15

about okay? So you're a person who you

19:17

had one challenges before like you have

19:19

in your head The people

19:21

already that are gonna go with you for

19:24

a reward and does it throw you off

19:26

to have an immunity challenge? We have to

19:28

pick people oh, that's an interesting question.

19:30

You probably should have those people in your head. I

19:32

didn't Excited um but

19:34

yeah I really empathize with Maria's moment where

19:36

she just kind of like froze and couldn't

19:38

decide who to pick I think it's so

19:40

so Stressful what I will say

19:42

about that though is like I think it

19:44

is a really really hard decision But to

19:46

me picking Liz feels like actually a really

19:48

easy choice because it's so obvious how much

19:50

she's been struggling It's almost something that it

19:53

seems like everyone on the tribe would be

19:55

able to get behind It's almost like like

19:57

a neutral choice like you can just say

19:59

like well, it was starving It had nothing to do

20:01

with strategy. So yeah, I was

20:03

surprised that she didn't go with that. So

20:05

Maria mentioned, well, Liz just got rice and

20:07

she gave some to Venus. Did

20:09

Liz getting rice, did that make it easier

20:12

to say no about Liz? I mean,

20:14

I think that's something you can latch onto,

20:16

certainly. I don't want to

20:18

speak for Maria's thought process, obviously, but yeah, that can

20:20

be an easy point to say, well, she didn't have

20:22

food. She was napping during the idle

20:24

hunt. I don't think she's good. I think she's

20:26

still really hungry. She hasn't pooped in three weeks.

20:29

She hasn't pooped in three weeks. That's pretty

20:31

concerning. Yeah. As a nurse. As

20:33

a medical opinion. I'm

20:35

going to get her from Senna. Who wants? But

20:37

yeah, no, it made me realize that at our

20:39

final six reward challenge, we randomly drew teams. And

20:42

now, in hindsight, that pisses me off because this

20:44

was so dramatic and such good television. And I

20:46

do feel for Maria because that's an impossible choice.

20:48

And I think it's Steven who has said before,

20:51

you can't win the game based on who you

20:53

pick, but you can lose it based on who

20:55

you pick. And I am nervous just because it

20:57

came up again in front of the jury at

21:00

tribal council. And then that story is getting

21:02

told. And people will start telling it as

21:04

they get to Ponderosa. And I'm worried of

21:06

the ramifications of it lasting far beyond that

21:08

meal. And with all these

21:10

pickings, there's not just the individual that is

21:13

upset and not being picked. There's the group

21:15

of people that is there back at camp

21:17

commiserating together. And I know Xander talked about

21:20

this so well in our season. The losers

21:22

having that time to bond and just be

21:24

like, fuck those people. And

21:27

we've seen that Liz gets very upset

21:30

when you don't pick her. And so

21:32

you're creating a situation where people are

21:34

going to be really complaining

21:36

about you. And it's tough. But also, you

21:38

kind of want to pick the people you want to pick. So

21:41

it's a tough spot. I'm so glad I never got

21:43

to pick anyone. I do. campaign

21:46

problems. It

21:49

was just an interesting spot, too, with Maria

21:51

because she also has the protection of having

21:53

the immunity necklace in that spot. It's

21:56

a very tough spot for her. But

21:58

ultimately, did it cost her? I

22:01

think it did cost her unfortunately. I mean,

22:04

I think she already has Q in the

22:07

bank, in the bank wall,

22:09

locked up, never getting out. So

22:11

she didn't really necessarily need to bring

22:14

Q to like win him over. And

22:16

so I feel like she had a lot of opportunity

22:18

to grab a Liz or Venus

22:20

or whoever she's thinking of, even if she wants to

22:23

send Venus home, bring Venus on the reward, make her

22:25

feel comfortable, something like that. And here

22:27

in the moment, it's super hard. I completely

22:29

sympathize with that. But I think maybe there was

22:31

a little bit missed opportunity there. Well, also,

22:33

well, I'm just thinking like, if she had brought

22:35

like a Liz or a Venus, you're leaving

22:37

back at camp from her perspective, her

22:39

number one and her number two, you and Charlie, like

22:42

what plan against her would I mean, I guess she

22:44

has immunity, but like, it's harder for

22:46

people to strategize against her for the next vote

22:48

vote. If she has these two people who she

22:50

really trusts back at camp, like that could have been helpful

22:52

to it does seem like,

22:54

yeah, a major consequence of this from how they

22:56

present it in the show, is it really like

22:59

demonstrated the closeness of Q and Maria. And something

23:01

that in general, I've been thinking about is it's

23:04

been kind of confusing as an audience

23:06

member to understand what the perception of

23:08

Q is. And it seems like it's

23:10

getting very negative. And I'm almost worried

23:12

if we're having like, if you know,

23:14

Q is the Russell and Maria is

23:16

the Parvati who gets that like, stink

23:18

on her from that. I'm wondering if that's

23:21

a path or potentially going down. Yeah,

23:24

for Charlie that we

23:26

know so much of this has been

23:28

talked about with the I have to

23:30

vote out my number one ally that

23:32

can can Charlie win if he doesn't

23:34

take out Maria? I

23:36

think if he's there with Maria, he's in a lot of trouble.

23:38

I think it's gonna be hard for him

23:40

to differentiate at that point. Like it's just it's so

23:43

late. And I think if he doesn't have a hand

23:45

in taking her out, then he will maintain exactly what

23:47

I said before that perception that he's me, he

23:49

maybe can't make a strong move. So I

23:51

do think he has completely agree. And I

23:53

think differentiation is the key word you just

23:55

said, Franny, because it's not necessarily about building

23:57

the resume. It's about being able to separate

23:59

yourself. and have a different pitch at the

24:01

very end. And so if you're both sitting

24:03

there, yeah, I completely agree with you. Well, that's

24:06

why Kenzie said it on the show. That's why

24:08

it's actually great that Tiff got voted out for

24:10

Kenzie's game, because they were playing a similar game,

24:12

too. So it kind of helps. And I think

24:14

earlier on, it's OK if you're not involved

24:17

in getting out your number one, because then you

24:19

have time to make your own way. But this late in

24:21

the game, I do feel like it has to be him.

24:25

Yeah, no, I totally agree. And I do

24:27

just like, I love Charlie. He lives in

24:29

Boston. It's so great. So I'm like, this

24:31

episode was about Maria. But we heard it

24:33

all from Charlie. And that's

24:35

the story they're telling. And it does

24:37

feel like eventually that blind side is

24:39

probably coming. But yeah, Maria

24:41

had a good episode, ultimately. She wins the

24:44

immunity. Everyone's coming first. She wins it. And

24:46

now all her people are left. Maria

24:49

is, hands down, the person to beat right now.

24:52

And it's really just going to come down to,

24:54

it seems like to me, Charlie is the

24:56

only person that can stop Maria. But

24:59

I also wonder that if Charlie stops Maria,

25:01

I think that other people can stop Charlie.

25:03

For any of the other people to win,

25:06

they kind of need Charlie to take out Maria. And

25:08

then one of them can take out Charlie and be

25:10

the person to beat. I

25:12

think that's why Charlie is tempted right now

25:14

to keep Maria as long as he can. Because

25:17

then he's absolutely the next target after she goes.

25:19

And I do think it sets up

25:21

a very interesting scenario, Owen, that

25:24

it's like a real Jesse and

25:26

Cody final six scenario with Charlie

25:28

is the Jesse of could

25:30

he take out the person who's his

25:32

number one ally, but then also make himself vulnerable

25:34

to lose the game. I was

25:36

just about to bring that up. Because I

25:39

was thinking about it. Jesse's move to take

25:41

out Cody wasn't necessarily looking at it as

25:43

his winning move. It was his not losing

25:45

move. If he was there with Cody, Cody

25:47

probably wins. Jesse certainly could have

25:49

articulated with whatever. But I think he viewed

25:51

it more as like, I cannot go to the

25:53

end with Cody no matter what. But doing it

25:55

at six left the door open for us little

25:58

swamp rats at the bottom. together

26:00

and take him out. But here's the thing

26:02

with Charlie, Charlie can win a challenge. I

26:05

love you Jesse if you're listening, but a

26:07

challenge beast, he is not. Mr.

26:10

Beast, yes, he loves Mr. Beast, but not

26:12

a challenge beast. Time to get out the

26:14

liquor issue here. But that's what

26:16

Charlie has going for him. Oh!

26:21

I do have something different here tonight. I

26:24

was gonna bring popcorn from the concession, but

26:26

I do have a

26:28

Twizzler and I thought

26:31

that for being such great people

26:33

on the panel. Do we have

26:35

to share one, Rob? One Twizzler

26:38

for the panel. What the

26:40

hell? You can share it however you

26:42

want. He divides very easily. I

26:45

gotta save some of these Twizzlers for

26:48

the other panel. Okay,

26:50

but really thank you. I want

26:53

to thank this first group. You

26:55

did such a great job starting the show.

26:57

Thank you. Anything

26:59

else? I don't want to cut anybody off.

27:01

Yes. Well done. So, Cena's getting voted out

27:04

with an idol. Come on! Cancel

27:06

Christmas, take down the Christmas tree. That

27:08

was your three year round to quote

27:10

GSA. Damn, you should have played it. Yeah.

27:13

Oh, real quick Kelly. What better?

27:16

What the hell guys or what the

27:18

heck you hoe bags? You

27:20

know what? I'm ready to pass the torch

27:22

to Liz on the iconic line.

27:25

What the heck you hoe bags? Yeah. It's hard to

27:27

beat. I think we can come on. What the hell

27:29

hoe bags? We can come on. Put that down on

27:31

a team. Put that on a team. Alright, give it

27:33

up for this first group. Thank

27:40

you. Thank you all. Yeah.

27:43

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28:30

next group. Check this out. You

28:33

know, here comes SuFu. We're

28:35

the force. What's up,

28:38

man? How are you doing? How are you?

28:40

Here's JMaya. Here's Austin.

28:42

And here's Heidi. Okay.

28:48

Here we go. Okay. You can sit there.

28:51

Here are my cards. Yeah. Okay. All right.

28:54

How's everybody doing? Great.

28:56

Okay. Here. Hold on. Here's your, here's

28:59

your Twizzler for the group. You should get our

29:01

own. Are we sharing? I do. I do. Okay.

29:03

You should just break that up however you want.

29:05

Okay. I wanted to, I want

29:08

to talk a little bit about

29:10

Venus. Okay. Yeah. We haven't really

29:12

talked about Venus tonight. First

29:16

off. Thank you. Yeah. You got it, SuFu. Yeah.

29:18

Okay. Venus was the latest person

29:21

this season to go home

29:23

with an idol in her pocket.

29:26

Okay. Austin, you had idols. Heidi,

29:31

you had idols. SuFu

29:33

and JMaya. You're here with us tonight.

29:36

Okay. But what is it with

29:42

this cast that this

29:44

is the fourth person to get

29:47

voted out with an idol, the fifth person to

29:50

go home? I think fricking Jelinski put

29:52

a curse on these people. Several people

29:54

are going to go home with an

29:56

idol. It's going to happen. What

30:00

is wrong with this? Listen,

30:04

I was so excited when Venus said, I'm

30:07

not going to tell anybody, but I have

30:09

something up my sleeve and it's like, no!

30:12

I think she sent herself home today

30:14

because of that. Yeah. You

30:17

know, I think the last time an

30:19

idol was played correctly was Julie on

30:21

my season. I have one

30:23

in two. Over James! Using my

30:25

own idol. So I'm

30:28

thankful to be a part of that at least.

30:33

Oh my gosh. I want to take a

30:35

second and shout out Venus's poker face after

30:37

she got the idol today, which I thought

30:40

was incredible, and how she immediately

30:42

joined the search. I think she did that whole

30:44

thing right to not arouse suspicion. I think it

30:46

would have been very hard for me to keep

30:48

a stone face about that. There was

30:50

a moment where she had a very hilarious, dim moment to the

30:53

camera that I very much appreciated. I

30:55

similarly got my hopes up when she said she

30:57

wasn't going to tell anyone about it. And then she

30:59

had that conversation with Charlie and the whole time I

31:01

was like, oh! Well, you know,

31:03

I would love to get the sense of that. Heidi,

31:06

you said you thought that she went home because of

31:08

that. You feel like that if she doesn't say anything,

31:10

do you think Q goes home? Yes.

31:13

I think there was a good chance that

31:15

if she didn't talk about that, because you

31:17

can tell Charlie was really conflicted. Do I

31:19

go with her? Do I not? Whatever, whatever.

31:21

I'm sure he did whatever is best for

31:23

his game, not hers. But

31:26

I truly think just putting that seed there, he's like,

31:28

okay, she's got to go. She

31:30

knows something I don't know, so therefore she's

31:32

got to go. So I truly think that

31:34

she put a seed into Charlie to think,

31:37

you know, she just has to leave. Tell

31:39

me more. Yeah. I think,

31:42

well, I believe that that moment

31:44

was unsettling. And so Charlie probably

31:46

went around and told everybody what

31:48

he felt in Survivor. It's just

31:50

one little thing that can change

31:52

everything. So I think, you know,

31:54

every player who goes into Survivor

31:56

goes into it like saying, I'm

31:59

not going to tell. anybody, about

32:01

anything that I find.

32:03

But that never happens. I mean,

32:05

I was one of those people, I'm like, I'm not

32:07

telling a single person, and then like my entire tribe

32:10

knew by like day seven, and like... Right.

32:12

So, but Venus had this

32:14

opportunity that like, the idols that were

32:17

found early in your season and in

32:19

the pre-merge, you know, they require cooperation,

32:21

and other people like have to know

32:23

about them. But Venus

32:25

had the idol that like

32:28

you found Heidi, like Mary Ann found,

32:30

where you can find an idol after the merge,

32:32

and nobody needs to know about it. Yeah,

32:35

I really love the scene of her just

32:37

pulling the... the... the... down,

32:39

and she's like, come on, and... and

32:41

can't see, I have no idea, like,

32:43

really, is she looking even, you know?

32:45

I love that moment. Because Heidi,

32:47

people said, you played

32:49

an idol, and people were like, well, why did... why did she

32:51

play it then? She didn't need it. Right. Well,

32:54

I feel great that I didn't go home

32:56

with mine. Yeah. So whether I played it

32:58

right or wrong, although you never really... it's

33:02

hard to see everything that's happening there, right?

33:05

So for me, it was the right move,

33:07

because I knew I was gonna survive. For

33:09

all of them, they're like, I'm gonna survive

33:11

next week, or next time, next tribal council.

33:13

For me, it was about being in the

33:15

moment, and clearly these people

33:17

were thinking like two steps ahead without

33:19

thinking the first step.

33:22

They were like, stumbling the first step, and they

33:24

went home with the idol. There's a

33:26

huge fear of playing your idol incorrectly.

33:28

I mean, it's just like, such a

33:30

humiliating feeling. You're going up, you're playing

33:32

it, you're like, okay, cool, no votes

33:34

are read on you, or whatever, and

33:36

it's just like, oh, it's on TV,

33:38

the jury just saw this. Like, you

33:40

might as well just go home at

33:42

that point, right? No, no way! I

33:44

much rather than going home and be like, here,

33:46

you know, I went home with the idol. I

33:49

played it wrong, too, so... I

33:52

think something that really intrigues me about that,

33:54

and you said it was an opportunity. I

33:56

think, obviously, there are a lot of

33:58

opportunities there. A big one is to really... have

34:00

solidified that Venus-Charlie connection. And I find that

34:02

conversation so fascinating, because you can tell that

34:04

they both desperately want to work with each

34:06

other. But she said something that trust goes

34:08

both ways. And this was the vote that

34:10

she needed to really be convinced to be

34:12

working with him to the end. And it

34:14

just seemed like it didn't click on this

34:16

vote. And if you can see in Charlie's,

34:19

he's like, aren't we close

34:21

now? I want to trust you. But that conversation

34:23

was just cagey enough that he couldn't bring himself

34:25

to take the risk. Do you think that

34:27

if Venus told Charlie flat out, hey, I

34:30

have an idol, we can use this. Do

34:32

you think that he would have wanted to

34:34

keep her? But no. She would

34:36

have had to play it. She

34:38

could have done that, but she had to play

34:40

it at the moment. But she could have

34:43

gained some trust if she did something like

34:45

that. Like, OK, balls to the wall. I'm

34:47

just playing it. I'm telling someone talking games.

34:49

Probably she told him earlier, though, not

34:51

before tribal. I think you may

34:53

get that far in the game, and you don't trust

34:56

someone showing someone an idol. I don't know if that

34:58

is enough to get them to trust you. But if

35:00

you show it, play it. Play it.

35:02

Yeah. We've seen this. This is some four people

35:04

went home because they didn't play it. Were

35:08

you surprised that no shot

35:10

in the dark came up tonight? It was the

35:12

last night to play the shot in the dark.

35:14

We saw that Ben had the Ken Zivo, which

35:16

I'm guessing was a shot in the dark protection.

35:19

You think it was shot in the dark, or was it

35:21

maybe like an idol? Or

35:24

she played the idol. Or she played the idol. Yeah. It's

35:27

like a safety net. Oh, yes, definitely.

35:29

And always good to put the hinky

35:31

vote. I learned the hard way in

35:33

my season that sometimes you got

35:35

to account for it. So I was, yeah. Now,

35:38

were you surprised that this vote, like after

35:40

last week, we saw Tiffany go out. And

35:42

then it seemed like, OK, well, who was

35:44

tight with Tiffany that was left out of

35:46

the vote? There was Kenzie

35:48

also. But it seemed like Kenzie's name

35:50

didn't come up. I do wonder, was

35:53

it that Venus did so well in

35:55

the challenge? How did Venus jump Kenzie

35:57

in the order to take people out?

36:00

I think it's kind of interesting like when one

36:02

person does kind of well like pretty well on

36:04

a challenge They're immediately like this is the biggest

36:06

challenge threat Like

36:10

I mean cute like hello like it's like

36:12

are you guys no longer Down

36:14

threat because you didn't do well in one challenge

36:16

like how did that work? And she

36:18

was last with the ball at like the

36:20

first part She was totally last and somehow

36:22

she's like a threat for the challenge Yeah,

36:25

I don't know I want to

36:27

kind of touch on something that was being touched

36:29

on earlier Which is that Charlie has won two

36:31

immunities this season and it just seems like he's

36:33

not even on people's radar I know! I

36:35

know! I'm on top of that!

36:38

And it goes to something that I thought

36:40

was really smart and it's just about How

36:50

big move itus has been this common theme of the

36:52

season and Charlie is a player Who is

36:54

doing the little things right on a season where there are a

36:56

lot of players who value the big moves? And

36:59

that's interesting to me because you know as

37:01

was being discussed when we come to a

37:03

final three situation It's like I

37:05

don't know this is a bit of a random metaphor But last

37:07

year I got to see the Mona Lisa in person for the

37:09

first time Yeah, and it's painted in this

37:11

style where there are these little strokes And

37:14

when you look at it up close you can't

37:16

tell is it an arm is it a leg

37:18

is it an eye? But then when you take

37:20

a step back you look at it, and it's

37:22

this beautiful big picture and with Charlie I'm like

37:24

can he actually translate that in a final three

37:26

speech into saying this is my game And he

37:28

can't do that if Maria is next to him

37:30

which is why this what was so important And

37:32

I think he really wanted Venus to like have

37:34

somebody basically to move out of the Maria connection

37:36

with and it That's why Venus went home because

37:38

he wanted to work with her and she just

37:40

stressed him out a little bit too much That was an

37:43

incredible metaphor That was

37:45

beautiful! I want to take that

37:47

metaphor and hang it in the lube So

37:50

do you think they ate 23 slices

37:52

was it cute that said that? What do

37:54

you think? 23 slices of beef are we

37:56

are we buying that? I am 23 slices

38:00

pizza? Definitely. I would do that in a heartbeat.

38:02

Yeah I mean they had what like seven boxes

38:04

looks like they finished the whole thing so. I

38:06

feel like this is the surviving. Austin could you

38:08

do 23 sandwiches bro? He's so much, he's so

38:10

much already big

38:13

from the Applebeast right? First

38:16

thing in Pondy just unlimited sandwiches. He

38:19

just had Applebeast. He just he just

38:21

had a bourbon

38:23

street burger. Yeah although he didn't eat

38:25

it. They didn't eat it remember? I

38:27

feel so much pain for Liz. I

38:29

mean get that sandwich revenge. Let's do

38:31

this. See

38:36

if one of the things I wanted to

38:38

ask you was you were the rocker of

38:40

season 45. What do you think of the

38:42

chief rocker in season 46? Ben

38:51

is phenomenal. He's my spirit

38:54

animal. Just

38:56

he's authentically himself and

38:58

I'm enjoying the vibes and potentially

39:01

working on a track. But

39:06

I think we're just two rockers. We just

39:08

enjoy being ourselves and having a good time

39:10

but he's playing a great game. He also

39:12

is. You think you two could jam one

39:14

day? I think we could jam. Is this

39:16

a survivor 50 pregame? I think so. I

39:19

mean. Wait no I want to talk about

39:21

that. One two three four five.

39:23

Let's make it official for everyone

39:25

here. Survivor 50. Let's

39:28

go. And

39:30

J.M.I. would you join in on

39:33

that jam session? I would

39:35

be honored to join in in Drew's language. I

39:37

would say I would view it from an anthropological

39:39

distance because they are incredible rock stars. I

39:41

could never channel that energy and I would

39:43

just watch it and then maybe join if I was lucky. I

39:47

got a chance to actually jam out

39:49

with J.M.I.A. Now listen to this. J.M.I.A.

39:51

came to St. Louis and that's where I

39:53

live and she hit me up and she

39:55

was like hey you want to hang out?

39:57

I'm playing a show. I was like cool. When

40:00

is it? An hour and a half? Do

40:03

you want to play? I was like yeah,

40:06

tell me the song So literally headed to

40:08

the show learning the songs doing my exit

40:10

press at the same time and then we

40:13

jam out So only the Maybers could do that. That's

40:15

like you find out the plan on the way to

40:17

try them like all right The Sun's going down. Here's

40:19

the vote It's

40:22

hard to believe but seafood just had two hours

40:24

of sleep last night and then look at him.

40:26

I mean Wow The

40:36

seven Reba member, oh

40:38

several yeah several

40:43

Long live Jelinski, okay Anything

40:47

else here what else let's

40:50

just stick here Okay,

40:57

let's do it. All right. Well, thank you.

40:59

Let's give it up for Thank

41:04

you all so much, thank you Thank

41:07

you. All right Staying

41:09

on track. We're doing great. All right,

41:12

here we go. Here comes we've got

41:15

Brando We've

41:18

got Jake Oh

41:23

And all the way from Australia

41:32

Okay All right, Kachara

41:35

you get to decide how many twizzlers

41:38

how many twizzlers does this group get? Definitely

41:41

more than a last one to

41:46

Alright one for this one. I do you

41:48

could have said any number in the world You

41:55

guys Yes.

42:01

All right. How's everybody doing? I'm

42:03

freaking out. Yes. I'm here

42:05

on holidays. You're here. And

42:07

I'm on the day. I've

42:12

been listening to your podcast forever. Oh,

42:15

I mean. And so

42:18

many of us in Australia are obsessed

42:20

with what you've created. And

42:22

hopefully this has steamrolled something for our

42:24

country. And we just we just

42:27

love you. And we love all of you. Oh my

42:29

God. Wow.

42:31

Wow. How you feeling? Okay.

42:33

I don't know what to say. Thank

42:35

you so much for coming. Thank

42:38

you. Okay. Let's talk about

42:41

what's going on. Katera, what's your

42:43

reaction to this tonight? Freaking

42:46

four in a row. Four in a

42:48

row not playing their idols. I

42:50

don't know. I mean, I never found one. So

42:53

I don't know what it feels like, but

42:55

I feel like I would have played it.

42:58

Well, you know, okay, I'm glad that okay.

43:00

Jake and Katera, you're here because that there

43:02

was that moment that interacted. Are you just

43:04

brinking of traumas? Like, we're

43:06

here. For no reason? We could talk

43:09

about other parts of the movie. But

43:13

there was that, okay, Venus has an idol.

43:15

I want to do something with it. She

43:17

tells Charlie, like, I got something. Like, I

43:19

don't want to say exactly what it is.

43:22

So there's some

43:25

similarity between where

43:27

you two were at the Final Five.

43:29

Like, how hard is that to like,

43:32

okay, like, hey, just trust me on

43:34

this. I

43:36

got something. Don't worry, but it's good.

43:39

Yeah, I mean, Venus knows that she gets

43:41

to the Final Three. She's now winning. It's

43:43

not a secret to her. She's aware of

43:45

that. So I think then the gears start

43:47

turning of, hey, what do I want to

43:49

do? How can I not

43:52

only save myself, of course, like an idol can

43:54

save yourself, but how is it a tool to

43:56

Propel her to give her some equity? I Think

43:59

that's the big question. that's what she. Should

44:01

try to do. I think that the optimal

44:03

thing for been as to do did she

44:06

do that the correct way? I mean clearly

44:08

being a results oriented that a nap and

44:10

to have a for me either but you

44:12

know that's what happens. But I

44:15

think like right you have an item

44:17

you wanna make sure that you play

44:19

it and of really that way you

44:21

don't want to display for yourself so

44:23

you can get so lost and big

44:25

move ideas and I thought of slice

44:27

it like the whole time. Venus is

44:29

something utterly overweight. Set up

44:31

some about us as. As

44:33

better I seem to be that secret,

44:35

quiet, sly underdog Rcn Solid. I'm trying

44:37

to put her in the final four

44:39

and of of would have been to.

44:42

You're so close to so close to having that

44:44

exists though. he just lives right out of her

44:46

fingers through the why do you think she did

44:48

Tell Charlie? I mean, you know, I think there's

44:50

a degree of, you know, equity like take were

44:52

saying bird, you know sort of. using.

44:55

It for more than just an idol. but at the end

44:57

of it as you gotta remember, an idle idle if you

44:59

know, play like an idol. The Smoking Man. So. That.

45:04

We would he thinks. I'm includes of Obama

45:06

said who who was australians have other

45:08

side. Ferris.

45:18

He. Showed off his idol

45:20

every one or at least he talked about

45:22

it and cause a lot of legs. Chaos

45:24

in itself. And there was like this mysterious

45:26

blanket about whether he has one are not

45:28

in that actually really propelled him deep into

45:30

the games. I wonder if. Venus.

45:34

Put of medicine. And. State

45:36

of the fact that she had the idol

45:38

and maybe that would have caused a bit

45:40

more chaos is especially her and then maybe

45:42

they would have wanted to vote out Q

45:44

so that. There. is no that's

45:46

that last year that almost never happens

45:49

in american survivor aus einer everybody will

45:51

have heard about the idols i'm scrolling

45:53

them away and like go like i'll

45:56

tell some people buy them on going

45:58

to play them a promise And

46:00

then but in in alternative I've there's so much

46:02

like hey, I've got my eye on playing it

46:04

tonight I'm making a big move with it. I

46:07

do wonder if we might see after this season

46:09

Maybe it might shift a little bit more

46:11

where either people are gonna just play the

46:13

idols Faster or does not

46:16

tell anybody Yeah

46:19

Venus in such a different position in fairs

46:22

like totally I don't even think she has

46:24

the power in that dynamic in that Dynamics

46:26

to say like here's my idol and then

46:28

people actually be afraid I feel like it

46:30

would push people to be like, all right.

46:32

Well tonight for you Venus I still

46:34

think that you know what Eileen brought up is a

46:36

fair statement Yeah,

46:39

if Ferris is celebrated the most one

46:42

of the best winners of Australian survivor history, is that

46:44

correct? Yeah Yeah Good

46:50

friend What

46:55

else do you see different about this

46:57

survivor 46 cast

47:00

in game that is different from What

47:02

the survivor 45 cast was

47:05

thinking about survivor? Yeah Mostly

47:11

the same information Going

47:14

out there, but it seems like that this

47:16

group looks at the game differently. Yeah Definitely

47:20

right. I think that there's I mean

47:23

we're looking at all this stuff about idols. I think that

47:25

here's what you do with an idol That's incorrect

47:29

To make a flat line rule

47:31

on what you do with idols

47:33

is wildly incorrect It's gonna be situational based

47:36

every single time So

47:38

I think when you look at a situation like

47:40

Venus, it's not a question of Wow She

47:43

made the mistake that you should never do it's

47:45

was it right in this in

47:47

this circumstance. Did she implement it correctly? I

47:49

think that's a conversation that should be had

47:52

versus I mean like look if

47:54

you want to talk about not telling people

47:56

about idols Rebut dominated because they unified themselves

47:58

over about

48:01

your final five idol. Damn, if

48:04

only we voted out D. I

48:06

think the point is is

48:11

that it's so unbelievably circumstantial. Yeah, if that's

48:13

to say that there's a flat line rule

48:16

I think is just blatantly

48:18

incorrect. You know

48:20

I want to ask

48:22

the 45ers okay. Jeff

48:24

has gotten spicier okay.

48:27

He took out the knife, he cut

48:29

the rice and something snapped.

48:33

And now he's bringing all these props to tribal

48:40

council, he's bringing a

48:42

cushion, he's bringing popcorn,

48:44

he brought the Twizzlers

48:46

tonight. Brando, what are we

48:48

doing? I mean you know I think the number

48:50

one thing on Jeff's mind right now is how

48:53

do we keep Liz alive if she's not eating.

48:55

What can we do to get a little bit

48:57

of stuff in his inner body? You know

49:00

you think getting a little harder but bringing out the cushion

49:02

I think he's getting kind of soft. I don't know. I

49:04

don't know. He brought the one Twizzler

49:09

and said everybody you

49:12

all can all take one bite of this Twizzler. Because

49:14

he knew he was doing too much with that

49:16

popcorn last time. I was like they got popcorn

49:18

are you kidding me? So I think you're

49:21

just trying to make up for the Twizzlers. Honestly

49:24

I feel like the biggest difference between 45 and 46 is

49:29

they tell it

49:32

like it is. If they don't like smutters they

49:35

are saying I don't like you.

49:37

And I'm pissed, you're gonna know I'm

49:39

pissed. I'm like if I could only. I remember.

49:44

Is there someone that you didn't like on 45?

49:46

I thought you liked everybody. I don't know. 45?

49:51

I mean look as someone who went on a day 11 I don't

49:53

know if I can talk about you know the rest of the game.

50:00

One of my favorite parts of the

50:02

night was that, okay, so after Maria

50:04

picked everybody for the pizza and Liz

50:06

didn't get picked, Liz came back

50:09

and said, you know what? I'm not

50:11

going to keep my feelings inside anymore. Exactly.

50:13

Let it go, yeah. I'm not going to.

50:16

Exactly. I'm not, you know what, after today,

50:18

I'm not just going to like keep

50:20

it inside how I'm feeling, which

50:23

I thought was interesting after the

50:25

last episode. I'm

50:32

sorry, is there a specific moment you're referring to in the last

50:34

episode? Well,

50:37

I mean, honestly, to be able to blow

50:39

up like that in front of your

50:41

tribe for, yes, Liz

50:44

has a lot of dietary restrictions, but in reality, this

50:46

is a very typical survivor scenario. I don't get picked

50:48

for a reward and I wanted to go on the

50:50

reward. I was starving. To be able

50:52

to blow up like that and have everybody

50:55

still being like, Liz, we support you. Her

50:57

name doesn't come off. I think she knows. Yeah, she

50:59

knows she's allowed to. They love her. Yeah. I

51:03

do want to say something about Venus also. I

51:05

thought that was interesting. We started to hear tonight

51:08

a little bit about people felt

51:10

like, okay, Venus is doing too much

51:13

and it seems like that's the biggest

51:15

thing that made her a target where

51:17

they felt like, okay, nobody could work

51:19

with her because she was going to

51:21

tell the plan to everybody and that

51:23

was the thing that made her the

51:25

most dangerous to this group. Whereas

51:29

Q, the new Q, it's like nobody wants

51:31

to vote him out because he's not doing

51:33

anything. Liz, nobody's

51:35

worried about Liz. Kenzie,

51:38

they don't worry about Kenzie or Ben,

51:40

but Venus, she tells everybody

51:42

the plan. We can't work with

51:44

her anymore. You

51:46

know, I think that's one of the things that might

51:48

not be great for her gameplay, but that's something that

51:50

makes her such an amazing survivor character because it's so

51:53

much fun to watch and it's so refreshing to see

51:55

Venus bringing that to the table. Well

51:58

I think the thing about, because obviously me and Venus here

52:00

in a very similar spot like yeah briber 45 it's briber

52:02

46 I mean

52:04

do you want to see Venus do nothing

52:06

I mean I think the problem with Venus

52:09

and like a problem that I've ran

52:11

into as well it's a problem that finding that

52:13

sweet spot and you know what the reality is

52:15

that sometimes it's not always there you try to

52:17

find it and sometimes it happens and sometimes it

52:19

doesn't was it there I don't know could have

52:21

been no I guess

52:23

my point is like was

52:33

there an opportunity to get in and then make

52:35

something happen I yeah I don't know like personally

52:37

like at my point like in my season I

52:39

don't think so was it there for Venus I

52:41

mean I don't know I think the only the

52:43

other people who are actually on the season can I think the

52:46

potential would have been there if

52:48

she hadn't bragged to Charlie yeah

52:51

yeah I think that was her closest way

52:53

in I think the good thing about Venus

52:55

being open is at least it causes everybody

52:57

to think about their own game and maybe

52:59

they're not saying it out loud either but

53:01

then it's like hang on she's saying the

53:04

truth a lot of the time and calling people out

53:08

and like how am I gonna play

53:10

this game moving forward because of

53:12

what Venus is saying yeah

53:15

no it's it's something I think that's very

53:17

interesting about survivor 46 and Venus and the

53:19

other people that have really spoken their mind

53:21

where so much of the new era has

53:24

been I'm gonna play it close to the

53:26

the close to the vest and I'm gonna

53:28

use metaphors and I'm not really gonna talk

53:30

about what's going on and I do feel

53:33

like that for whatever reason this cast is

53:35

cracked and they just say yes we like

53:37

that something for freeing in

53:39

that too though yeah all

53:43

right I want to thank

53:45

this group Brando Jake

53:47

the tour Eileen thank you you

53:50

were amazing okay I'll

53:53

see you later on tonight anything

53:55

else I just love that I mean we love

53:57

Eileen here but this is like you got a lot

53:59

of of Belo here. Yeah,

54:01

I mean for the audio listeners, you know,

54:03

we're rocking it up here, so it's been

54:05

great. Rob looking fantastic, by the way. Hello?

54:07

Oh, thank you. You pop, you pop. Whoa.

54:10

You go fire. Whoa, sorry Rob. Yeah, well thank

54:12

you. All right, thanks. Give

54:15

it up, okay? All

54:17

right. This

54:20

is, really, it's the biggest crowd. I

54:22

think this is also the best crowd. It's

54:25

a good crowd. It's a good crowd. It's

54:27

a good crowd. Okay, all right.

54:30

We've got here with us, all right.

54:33

Welcome in, I guess Dwight,

54:36

Sarah, Lindsay,

54:39

Darnell, and Claire.

54:42

Look at this. Darnell,

54:44

how you doing, man? What's up?

54:48

Okay, all right. How's

54:50

everybody doing? Good, good.

54:52

Oh, God. Okay, all right. Darnell,

54:55

how many Twizzlers for this group?

54:58

Four. Oh,

55:02

four. Four, okay. I

55:04

like it. Several, several. Four or several, make

55:06

up your mind. Okay,

55:08

here, I'll pass them out to

55:11

the group. Okay, all

55:13

right. Dwight,

55:16

talk to me about tonight. How

55:18

did you see it? I

55:21

was intrigued to see mainly how the vote

55:23

came to be completely unanimous outside

55:25

of the the ban vote on Kenzie, which

55:27

seemed like just a safety vote shot in the dark in idle play. But

55:30

I don't, maybe I'm not sure when it became

55:32

a, everyone's in on this vote besides Venus,

55:35

of course. And I hope they

55:37

explained that more in the next episode, see how that came along, you

55:39

know, if they just decided all as a group. We can't let Venus

55:42

get to the end, which intrigues me because I don't think, we've

55:44

been talking about it, it doesn't seem like Venus is like the major

55:46

threat to win when you hit the final three. So I'm intrigued

55:48

of why they all decided unanimously to vote her out at this

55:50

point when you're getting close to the end game. Yeah,

55:53

I think that Maria really wants

55:55

to have order. And

55:57

I feel like that Q is being, doing a

55:59

good. job that the Maria and

56:01

Q relationship is just so interesting

56:04

where that you would have thought

56:06

that they're sort of maybe like

56:08

unlikely allies. But for whatever reason,

56:10

Maria and Q just click. Charlie

56:12

is like a good soldier. He's

56:14

following along with the plan. And

56:16

then they don't want these people

56:18

that are sort of like this

56:21

chaotic energy around. And

56:23

it's so interesting that it was Venus

56:25

that got picked to be the person

56:27

to go home. Claire, you know

56:29

a thing about chaotic energy, right?

56:32

Me? What? No way. Stop that.

56:35

Keep going. How are you doing? I'm doing

56:37

great. What do

56:39

you want me to say? I'm

56:42

doing great. Yeah. What did you

56:44

think about the decision to send

56:46

home Venus at this point? Boo.

56:48

Yeah. No, I don't know.

56:50

I definitely thought it was a decision and there

56:52

were a lot of things they wanted to do.

56:54

I personally think like if you're really

56:56

clocking all of that, like I think Charlie had

56:59

a lot going on and like I

57:01

think he made a decision and it will work to

57:03

get him further along. I don't know if it's like a

57:05

winning decision, but it definitely like feels

57:08

like a safe way to get to the final. And

57:10

I feel like it was a great way to keep

57:13

shields in. But again, it's like if people are getting

57:15

frustrated that he don't think he's making moves, that they

57:17

don't think he's doing anything, then like if you're thinking

57:19

about your resume or like an outfit, you might as

57:21

well like get a like a little top hat. A

57:25

top hat? Yeah.

57:27

Do you think that if you dressed up like

57:29

Mr. Peanut at the cross route council? Yeah, I

57:31

feel like Maria's like Mr. Monopoly man and

57:33

like Q is her top hat. I want

57:36

to follow this. Maria is

57:38

the Monopoly. This is why I never made

57:40

it through a tribal. Maria is the Monopoly

57:43

man and Q is

57:45

the Monopoly man's hat. Yes. And

57:48

then Charlie's like, bend like the symbol. Okay,

57:52

we need to workshop this before we come on stage

57:54

next time. We'll go through the analogy. I don't know

57:56

how you're not seeing the top hat. Okay, you got

57:58

it. Darnell,

58:02

I'm so happy that you're here. Rob, it's been

58:05

a long time. Hey,

58:08

Chicago, you need to stand up. This has been

58:10

a long time. It's been a long time. Everybody,

58:13

I know y'all wanting to come back. But

58:16

I'm just Venus. Venus.

58:21

Everybody was like, oh, I'm Venus fan. Let everybody know

58:23

right now. Big Venus fan. That's hard to see. Another

58:25

idol. What

58:28

is that, like four in a row, right? What's

58:30

going on? Let's

58:32

see. It was, well, so there was Jem and then Mariah

58:36

didn't have an idol. And

58:38

then after that when, so they didn't

58:41

have an idol. Kevin didn't

58:43

have an idol. But then three in

58:45

a row. And kind of Brandon, right?

58:48

Brandon way back when? Way

58:50

back when, yeah. A throwback

58:52

to Kohrong that we had a medical

58:55

evacuation. A

58:57

lot of them. Yes. We had a

58:59

lot of them. Yes. It's tough. And

59:01

as a person that went home first

59:03

with a split vote, I

59:06

would have played mine. I don't care. Anything

59:08

that's my name get wrong, I'm playing

59:10

it. It's crazy. Darnell,

59:12

you and I, we're old school. I

59:16

was a little boy back then. Throw

59:20

me in now. How long has it been?

59:23

Ten years. Wow. Wait, it's also giving

59:25

like brawn, brawn, right? Yeah.

59:28

I'm officially a brawn. He was on the

59:30

brawn tribe then. They don't even

59:32

have a tribe for him now. Lindsay,

59:36

how are you doing? I'm wonderful. How are

59:38

you doing? You're good. Let me just get

59:40

you closer to this mic. I'm sorry. Hi.

59:42

Hi, everyone. Now, what do you think

59:44

about this position that Mariah

59:47

is in? I think Mariah's in

59:49

a great position. I'm a huge

59:51

Mariah fan. I don't know what the path is

59:53

for her to the end. Because

59:58

I just don't know what the path is for her to the

1:00:00

end. feel like, and you and I

1:00:02

have spoken about this like numerous times, is it's

1:00:04

really hard for an older woman to make it

1:00:06

to the end and win

1:00:08

without either being carried to

1:00:10

the end or just

1:00:13

being seen as a threat. Yeah. They're gonna

1:00:16

they're gonna realize that Maria is a huge threat and

1:00:18

I think they're gonna take her out. Yeah,

1:00:21

it does seem like there's a lot of

1:00:23

there's a lot of talk about can anybody

1:00:25

stop Maria, but it is interesting that there's

1:00:27

two seasons in a row that it seems

1:00:29

like that we had Julie last season and

1:00:32

Maria this season that has something

1:00:34

is something starting to shift where it's

1:00:36

like okay now the mom is looked

1:00:38

at as like this very dangerous player

1:00:40

in the game. So I

1:00:42

think they're

1:00:44

always dangerous players in the game it's

1:00:46

just a question of like how far

1:00:48

can they get. Is the perception starting

1:00:50

to change? Definitely

1:00:53

and I think it comes with

1:00:55

casting like really strong women. I

1:00:58

think like I

1:01:01

am in awe of the women that

1:01:03

they've passed in the new era of

1:01:05

Survivor in terms of women and moms

1:01:07

and older women, but

1:01:10

I'm noticing that they're

1:01:13

getting a little bit stronger earlier in

1:01:15

the game and they're coming off as

1:01:17

a threat earlier and earlier in the

1:01:19

game. But again my concern with that

1:01:21

is how far is she gonna be

1:01:23

able to make it before they cut

1:01:25

her loose. I just

1:01:28

don't see it. I don't know. I

1:01:30

would love to see it. But there's only two

1:01:32

nights left of Survivor. We have the final six

1:01:35

and then and then we'll get into the finale.

1:01:37

So I mean she's right there. She's real close.

1:01:39

I think it's gonna take some immunity idols. Yeah.

1:01:41

They've already been talking about her as like a strategic

1:01:44

threat and then socially she burned a lot of bridges

1:01:46

last episode. So I think it might be hard for

1:01:48

her to get to the end without winning or finding

1:01:50

something, but it's very possible. Yeah. Her path is probably

1:01:52

the hardest I think of anyone left at this point.

1:01:55

Sarah. Sarah Wilson is here.

1:01:57

Sarah how are you? So

1:02:00

nice to see you here. Now you helped

1:02:02

launch the new era. I

1:02:06

did. My one-up is seven

1:02:08

hours. Yes. You were there

1:02:11

when Jeff Propp said, I'm gonna stop

1:02:13

saying come on in guys. And now

1:02:15

you've seen this full transformation now into

1:02:18

spicy Jeff. Now he

1:02:20

says I'm gonna have one Twizzler and you can

1:02:22

all take a bite. Yep. I

1:02:24

think it's interesting. Like honestly, I feel like if

1:02:26

I had one word to describe this cast, it

1:02:29

would be unhinged. And I think we're also seeing

1:02:31

an unhinged side of Jeff, which is great. Like

1:02:33

he's loosening up a little bit. Yeah.

1:02:36

Yeah, but the Jeff that you saw like

1:02:38

I feel like there's really been like this

1:02:41

such a big transformation just for like in

1:02:43

these three years of the new era from

1:02:46

where from where he started. Dwight,

1:02:49

do you like this direction? Oh, 100%. This is amazing.

1:02:51

I remember in casting I told Jeff like you need

1:02:53

to like give people a little more like talk a

1:02:55

little more shit during challenges. It's like fun for us

1:02:57

as players and I'm glad to see him like embracing

1:02:59

that fully like in 4.6. He's talking a lot more

1:03:01

with the players interacting. It's a fun vibe. You know,

1:03:03

as a player it's just fun to you know, kind

1:03:05

of just let the guard down a bit

1:03:07

and just have fun with it. And that's the one time

1:03:09

to do it. I feel like I always personally got sassy.

1:03:12

Like that stuff was always there for me. Yeah, Claire, maybe

1:03:14

you brought sassy Jeff out of Jeff. Jeff definitely

1:03:16

got sassy with me. Yeah, I got sassy with

1:03:18

Jeff. Well, I feel like he's always been sassy

1:03:20

though. See, I agree. I always say

1:03:23

to people when everyone's like what Jeff

1:03:25

Probst like I'm like, I don't think

1:03:27

you guys understand how much he cusses. I don't

1:03:29

think you guys understand like how hardcore he is.

1:03:31

I think he got really soft and now he's

1:03:33

trying to like back pedal and show everybody how

1:03:35

hard he is. Whoa.

1:03:45

But Claire, you're such a game changer because

1:03:47

Claire sat out of a couple of challenges

1:03:50

and that was the first thing in the

1:03:52

new era. They're like, all right, we're changing

1:03:54

the rules. Everything else

1:03:56

in the new era is like no, this we figured it

1:03:58

out. This is how it is. tribes, we

1:04:00

got the whole format. Claire sits

1:04:02

out, I have a couple challenges, they change the

1:04:05

rules instantly. Let me tell you, my phone

1:04:07

has been ringing off the hooks since

1:04:09

the 15th announcement. Everyone's like, alliance, alliance.

1:04:11

You're making alliances. I'm finally going to

1:04:15

be in an alliance. Yeah.

1:04:19

Darnell, what do you see that's

1:04:21

really interesting to you with somebody

1:04:23

who played in the 39 day

1:04:26

era now watching the show in the new

1:04:28

era? How hard they're playing, they're coming out

1:04:30

the gate playing hard. This cast has been

1:04:33

amazing. From day one, nothing

1:04:36

has slowed down because it's just

1:04:38

consistent, hard, hard, hard, hard. That's

1:04:41

what I like about it the most. Yeah.

1:04:43

They do, they got to go

1:04:46

and they're all

1:04:49

trying to get their resume going and

1:04:51

everybody's got to take out their number

1:04:53

one ally. It's been so

1:04:55

interesting to watch how they're trying to do

1:04:57

this. I was talking about this with Owen,

1:05:00

do you feel like, are we

1:05:02

setting this up for a 43 type end game? I think it's

1:05:04

very possible, especially

1:05:07

with the whole college season has been cutting a number

1:05:10

one ally is very important. Now

1:05:12

we're saying Charlie will he cut Maria? It's getting to

1:05:14

a point where even if he does, it might not

1:05:16

be respected as anyone else cutting their number ones because

1:05:19

everyone else did it at a point where they improved their position

1:05:21

in the game because of it or they were taking a risk.

1:05:23

It may seem like to the

1:05:25

jury that Charlie did it because he had no other

1:05:27

option other people told him to do it. So even

1:05:29

though everyone else can take credit for black, the number

1:05:31

one, he may not be able to, which is concerning

1:05:33

for his jury chance. He may be able to talk

1:05:35

himself into like more respect in the jury. He's a good

1:05:38

talker as we've seen professionals, but I fear for his chances

1:05:40

of doing it so late in the game compared

1:05:43

to everyone else. Do we see a zero world

1:05:45

where Maria takes out Charlie next that we feel

1:05:47

like that Maria will probably beat Charlie in the

1:05:49

end, but Charlie is talking to a lot of

1:05:51

people like could it get back to Maria and

1:05:53

that she takes out her number one and now

1:05:56

she has a new number one in queue? She's

1:05:59

gonna have to. I'm serious. I

1:06:01

think that's a good move for her These

1:06:04

conversations are happening and we're just not seeing it

1:06:06

Yeah, I would be shocked if Maria isn't already

1:06:08

having these conversations with people. Yeah Yeah, because we

1:06:10

saw in the episode that marine Charlie like where

1:06:13

have you been? I haven't talked to you all

1:06:15

day But we didn't really get to see the

1:06:17

conversations that Maria is having because we just saw

1:06:19

like what Charlie's doing all day Yeah, okay.

1:06:22

All right anything else before we have to

1:06:24

run No,

1:06:27

that's it Clara. That's it Okay,

1:06:30

okay. All right, give it

1:06:33

up for white Sarah

1:06:35

Lindsay guard This

1:06:42

is something that's actually I like I have

1:06:44

something very fun that's planned for you something

1:06:46

that we've never done before We

1:06:48

have this was a really cool idea

1:06:51

that we were able to bring together

1:06:53

Okay for the first time ever we

1:06:55

are going to reunite an entire

1:06:57

tribe on the stage It's

1:07:00

a popular one. Okay, let's

1:07:02

welcome in the Lulu tribe

1:07:07

Emily The

1:07:10

bio Brandon and how

1:07:13

rose back together for the

1:07:15

first time ever Hold

1:07:19

on I

1:07:23

got it. I just got a note. Uh,

1:07:25

Hannah Rose quit the show Quit the

1:07:28

live show There

1:07:30

was no vape Nice

1:07:33

I thought I saw a few vape wait. Hold

1:07:35

on. Hold on one second Subbiah,

1:07:37

how are you? Okay,

1:07:43

we just had to do that one time for you and Rob

1:07:46

I want to say to start off with thank you Lulu

1:07:49

is always usually the first ones out

1:07:51

Oh Look

1:07:56

how far you've all gotten far we've

1:07:58

come into the show I'm

1:08:00

in the show! I got to be in the show! I

1:08:03

took a little bit but we're here! I took

1:08:05

a minute. They had steps instead of ladders?

1:08:08

It's different. Did

1:08:10

I wrong everybody? I'm so confused. I'm

1:08:13

kidding. We're all friends. This is wrong.

1:08:15

Okay. Sabaya, can I ask you

1:08:17

about... Now, you had

1:08:20

an idol also. Uh...

1:08:24

Yes, but you were before it was cool. You

1:08:29

would. I know, right? Didn't play the

1:08:31

idol. So uncool. There's a lot

1:08:33

about being on Lulu that was uncool, but we'll get into that.

1:08:36

I'm kidding. Yeah,

1:08:38

no, it's been really cool to see everybody,

1:08:40

like, assess the idol situation differently. Like, I

1:08:42

know, speaking from personal experience, like, a lot

1:08:44

of fans, like, I love Twitter, first of

1:08:46

all. Shout out to my trolls and everybody.

1:08:50

Shout out to the trolls. I love

1:08:52

it. I love it. Mad respect. Just

1:08:54

having, like, your perspective, like, how people

1:08:57

were saying earlier, Jake, I believe, like,

1:08:59

every time there's an idol in play,

1:09:02

it's like a personal attachment, like, when you're

1:09:04

in a video game. It doesn't work the

1:09:06

same way, like, how it would with everybody

1:09:08

else. So it's been... I feel

1:09:10

like we've had a unique lens to see, like,

1:09:13

okay, if Sabaya has an idol, what could she do? If

1:09:15

Caleb has an idol, what could he do? If,

1:09:18

you know, whoever, like, it's very, very person-specific,

1:09:21

and I feel like not enough people really

1:09:23

pay us more attention to that. They're

1:09:25

just like, oh, play the idol. But it's like, okay, if

1:09:27

I play an idol today, I'm going tomorrow. Me. You know

1:09:30

what I'm saying? Personally. So if

1:09:32

you're talking about longevity in a game that's

1:09:34

26 days and you're on day seven, okay,

1:09:37

guys, y'all real quiet. Everybody was like... I

1:09:41

will say, Sabaya, not just getting voted out, she

1:09:43

was also... with an idol, she was

1:09:45

also into voting out your number one. Right. Oh,

1:09:48

that's... That was cool. But also had not voted the whole

1:09:50

game, so, you know, if I'm gonna get my first vote

1:09:52

in, I'm gonna make it big, you know, this is like

1:09:54

group therapy. This is

1:09:56

nice. This is really nice. Go

1:10:00

big, go home, literally. Better now,

1:10:02

better now. It's fun to

1:10:04

watch other people embarrass themselves on TV. Oh,

1:10:07

yeah. I love that part. OK, so Lulu.

1:10:10

Yeah, Lulu came up a

1:10:13

lot this season in comparison to the Yannu

1:10:16

tribe this season, OK? Now,

1:10:19

we still have Q and Kenzie that are

1:10:21

in the game, but I would love to

1:10:23

get some thoughts on how you feel like

1:10:25

to be compared to Yannu. They're

1:10:28

like the Caleb and Emily to me.

1:10:32

Personally, I mean, I feel like Caleb,

1:10:34

because he forged, like, obviously

1:10:37

a bond with Emily in the beginning of

1:10:39

the merge and everything like that, they were

1:10:41

able to see it through, because Q, Tiff,

1:10:43

was his more so number one out

1:10:46

of the three. It didn't really have the

1:10:48

same effect, but I like

1:10:50

the idea of them potentially working together in

1:10:52

the future. I feel like that would be

1:10:54

crazy. I will say,

1:10:57

you know, to be at a final

1:10:59

seven vote and have this icon voted

1:11:02

out who was super transparent, came down

1:11:04

on everyone. It was so cool. Finally,

1:11:06

it wasn't Emily. We've

1:11:09

got to move on to the next one. I will say, I

1:11:11

like to think about a world where Venus had a

1:11:13

Caleb, right? Because I feel like that was the thing

1:11:15

that Venus was lacking in her experience with our initial

1:11:17

tribe, was somebody who was willing to reach out and

1:11:19

give an olive branch. And half of

1:11:21

that is the self-reflection to say, I need to

1:11:23

change the way that I communicate with people. But

1:11:25

the other half is having somebody who is willing

1:11:27

to put the past in the past and work

1:11:30

for it in the future. And so much of

1:11:32

this season has been characterized by, I think, grudges,

1:11:34

if I'm honest with you, and the inability to

1:11:36

get past initial first impressions. And that's very much

1:11:38

how I imagine 46 moving forward.

1:11:41

Rob, I just want to say,

1:11:44

I'm going to push back

1:11:46

on that. I

1:11:49

just want to say, I was so

1:11:51

thrilled on Survivor that the Lulu tribe

1:11:53

could have held that worst tribe in

1:11:55

Survivor history. And then came Yannu. And

1:11:57

I was like, oh, we don't know.

1:12:00

You know we didn't live that out

1:12:02

long enough You all

1:12:04

want to be the worst tribe in survivor

1:12:06

history. I'm the wrong person to ask I

1:12:10

might even a lead cut I want to

1:12:13

give like a compliment can I give a

1:12:15

compliment very quickly depends who it's It's as

1:12:17

well Listen going out early on survivor not

1:12:19

not ideal right and I think it makes

1:12:21

a really it takes a really special person

1:12:23

To take such a like you see Bryce

1:12:25

do it take a you know a bummer

1:12:27

of a situation and make it into something

1:12:29

like really Cool, and Jelinski is a

1:12:31

fucking legend man I

1:12:37

just went through it, and I'm inspired by every

1:12:39

time every time I see him do something He's

1:12:41

just he's so good at what he's doing and

1:12:43

I just like you know for all the early

1:12:45

boots He is our he is our representation. That's

1:12:48

the guy you want to be is Jelinski This

1:12:52

is real this is the person who I want to

1:12:54

be as Charlie right now And

1:12:59

watching him you know be

1:13:01

able to kind of read off of Venus that

1:13:03

obviously she showed her hand saying that she had

1:13:05

something Up her sleeve right and and

1:13:07

pivoting and and trusting your gut I think

1:13:09

that's something that I've learned and probably a

1:13:12

lot of people who played survivors It's wishing

1:13:14

you went with your gut quicker instead of

1:13:16

waiting to see more evidence more facts And

1:13:18

so it's cool to see that you know

1:13:20

we obviously you know something Charlie, and I

1:13:22

share is our threat management level Cool

1:13:26

to see him do that you know

1:13:28

in the final seven votes Yeah But

1:13:30

you felt like that he went with

1:13:32

his gut to take out Venus in

1:13:34

this spot as opposed to going and

1:13:36

taking out cube which would have been the bigger move

1:13:39

Right absolutely Q

1:13:41

still being in this game right now All

1:13:45

right I love I mean

1:13:47

it's like of course like as I mean we are

1:13:49

all fans I could speak for because I know them

1:13:51

but like Having somebody that

1:13:53

it has been on the bottom for so

1:13:55

long And it's still like and has almost

1:13:57

done like the below the radar so deep

1:14:00

that it's like, okay, like I'm still the

1:14:03

biggest smoke screen in the game, but I

1:14:05

really don't even say nothing. It's

1:14:07

really blows my mind. Like I, I'm, I

1:14:10

feel like I, I don't know if it's

1:14:12

unprecedented, but he's just been such a unique

1:14:14

character for this season. Yeah. No

1:14:16

Q has been amazing in that,

1:14:18

you know, it looked like his

1:14:20

game was completely done and they,

1:14:23

that they don't want to vote him out. Like

1:14:25

his name comes up, but everybody's like,

1:14:28

nope, we'll go with somebody else. And

1:14:31

it's just been like, uh,

1:14:33

so remarkable, especially that he

1:14:35

is this, uh, incredibly

1:14:37

fit guy. He won the challenge. I was like,

1:14:39

and they keep beating him and it used to

1:14:42

be, you know, like, Oh, I don't want to

1:14:44

let the guy who's really good at challenges, like

1:14:46

keep eating and he gets to the end.

1:14:48

He's stage one. He's right

1:14:50

there. He's eating more than I

1:14:52

have the last two days. Thinking

1:14:56

for somebody that I did not eat at all, except

1:14:58

for like what? I mean, I know I didn't get

1:15:00

the pineapple. Y'all ate that. Right. Great.

1:15:03

Yeah. Like, I mean, the

1:15:05

globe, we, we like people don't like to

1:15:07

say that we won one challenge, but we

1:15:09

did. Oh, you go one fruit. I

1:15:11

wasn't there for the great. I

1:15:13

mean, it's a great fight. We

1:15:16

had fruit, but it does take a toll

1:15:18

on you. So them fueling him is really

1:15:20

interesting as well. Yeah. And,

1:15:23

you know, and about Q, I feel like, uh, you know,

1:15:25

season 46 will probably disagree from everything I've seen

1:15:27

so far, but it seems like he's really

1:15:29

been humbled being at the bottom

1:15:31

and just having to play his role as the

1:15:33

soldier in the Alliance. Right. A

1:15:35

vote, not too crazy, kind of laying low,

1:15:37

sleeping by himself. But you have been humbled.

1:15:40

I'm only wants to put back on that.

1:15:49

But his ability to be a kind of like a

1:15:51

chameleon and flip because he was very like, this is

1:15:53

what we're going to do. And

1:15:56

now he's like, okay, whatever you want me

1:15:58

to do. That is a very. I

1:16:00

was sour Caleb with that, not surprising, but

1:16:02

it's a very hard thing

1:16:04

to do in Survivor where

1:16:08

you have so much going on.

1:16:10

Yeah. Emily, it came up earlier

1:16:12

tonight that the last time an

1:16:14

idol got used correctly on Survivor

1:16:16

was to send you home. That's

1:16:18

what it took to get you out. A

1:16:21

successful idol play. I

1:16:23

was not long for the road. Emily,

1:16:25

do you hope that an idol never

1:16:27

gets played correctly again? Yeah,

1:16:30

just out of sheer spite, I hope that there are

1:16:32

no more idols. Did you put a curse on the

1:16:34

idol? Did you jinx idols? I like to say that

1:16:36

Julie did, really. I mean, nobody is going to associate

1:16:38

Julie's idol play, but I will say, I do think

1:16:41

that if you were on season 47, if you're on

1:16:43

season 48, there is not a

1:16:45

chance we see. And I will go down

1:16:47

right now saying it, having not even taped

1:16:49

these seasons up, there is not a chance

1:16:51

somebody on season 47 or seasons 48 goes

1:16:54

home with an idol in their pocket. Now not

1:16:56

after this show, right?

1:16:59

They were all laughing at, who was it? Brandon

1:17:01

that played his like the first tribal. Everybody

1:17:05

was like, why did he do that? But it matters.

1:17:07

Like, you're my side, sometimes it's just better to get

1:17:09

that off. Like, he was right to

1:17:11

do that. I mean, I like foolish that I

1:17:13

would have had that mentality, like, okay, so my pocket is burning

1:17:16

the hole. Just get rid of it, you know? What

1:17:20

is Jeff bringing to tribal council next week? Yeah.

1:17:23

I'm over the, this stuff is

1:17:25

getting too much stuff, right? What

1:17:28

about milk suds? I

1:17:30

hate a milk suds. A milk suds is

1:17:32

bad. If we're going to do a candy,

1:17:34

get like a Kit Kat, get a mini

1:17:36

M&M. I want to, this

1:17:38

is off topic and I'm sorry, but we had a funny

1:17:40

thing happen today, all of us, and I'm going to just

1:17:42

tee it to Emily on our way to the baseball game

1:17:45

that we went to. Emily, it's

1:17:47

so good. It's just to set the

1:17:49

scene, all of us are in an Uber, okay? We're going

1:17:51

to the game and I'm going to cut to Emily. Well,

1:17:54

let me just say that I feel like Austin

1:17:57

screwed me in the game in a lot of different ways. But

1:18:00

I have never felt more screwed than the moment I

1:18:02

did double check with Austin that we were going

1:18:04

to Wiggly Field. Wiggly

1:18:07

Field. And he called his

1:18:09

Uber. I called our Uber.

1:18:11

And we did go to

1:18:13

Wiggly Field. Wiggly

1:18:15

Field is a dog park three miles from

1:18:17

the same. But

1:18:22

also, like, Emily and Meredith, like, did

1:18:24

I have to name it Wiggly Field?

1:18:26

Can you believe we never won a

1:18:28

challenge? Right? This

1:18:31

is the brain from our puzzle. The

1:18:34

five of us pull up and it's

1:18:36

like so residential. And

1:18:39

we're like, is this it? And then

1:18:41

Caleb's thought-passing. The Wiggly Field's side.

1:18:45

You got out of the car at the

1:18:47

dog park. Well, actually, I convinced our Uber

1:18:50

driver, who barely spoke English, to drive at

1:18:52

the correct location. But he was very confused.

1:18:54

And the same Uber driver drove us here.

1:18:56

Yes. And he did not remember us. And

1:18:58

I was a very offended. Because I thought

1:19:01

we made an impression. He didn't

1:19:03

remember us. This group

1:19:05

attracts releases. You're

1:19:07

not exactly like

1:19:10

nondescript-ified. It's like

1:19:13

almost iconic. Oh. This

1:19:16

is crazy. We're all real. This is

1:19:18

good. We should have just done this. Good.

1:19:22

Yeah. I mean, challenges, bad podcasts. You guys

1:19:24

are great. This is the first time I've

1:19:26

been at one of these where Emily and

1:19:28

Sabaya are not just like yelling at each

1:19:30

other. This is awesome. Amazing. Okay.

1:19:33

But our time has run

1:19:35

out. I'm sorry. Always a pleasure. We'll let you

1:19:37

guys get back to the dog park. Give

1:19:42

it up for the Lure Tribe. Great

1:19:47

job. Thank you. Okay. I've

1:19:51

got one more panel. This

1:19:53

audience has been so great. Such

1:19:57

a gracious audience.

1:20:00

appreciate you so much. Okay, we

1:20:02

got a real treat for you.

1:20:04

How about for dessert? A

1:20:07

little something a little different, okay? We've

1:20:09

got a big brother panel. We

1:20:13

welcome in Jessica Malaga.

1:20:19

We've got AmeriCori.

1:20:21

Oh, we've

1:20:25

got Jack. What are we doing here? Okay. Are

1:20:28

we sitting? Are we sitting? Here, you

1:20:30

want me to stand? Do we stand?

1:20:33

Okay. All right, Izzy.

1:20:38

We've got Jack. We've got

1:20:40

AmeriCori and Biz. Survivor of

1:20:43

46's favorite cast member, Andy

1:20:45

Hern. Okay.

1:20:50

Here, I'll come back. All right.

1:20:53

How's everybody doing?

1:20:55

Great. Never better.

1:20:58

Yes, okay. Andy, is this a sleigh or what? Okay, I

1:21:01

will fully admit that I think that it has

1:21:10

gotten much better from one night I initially

1:21:12

tweeted. It was

1:21:15

a very wild thing that

1:21:17

happened. I remember the night

1:21:19

like it was yesterday. I was not doing

1:21:21

anything. I watched the movie Nick and Nora's

1:21:23

Infinite Playlist. And while I was great underrated

1:21:26

movie, while I was watching it, I truly

1:21:28

was just like, you know what? I'm not

1:21:30

that into. Survivor 46. I'm so just on

1:21:32

my couch thinking nothing

1:21:34

of it. I tweeted it, went to bed,

1:21:36

put my sweet little head down, woke up,

1:21:38

and was just like, oh, what

1:21:40

is going on? 2,000 Twitter notes.

1:21:43

Charlie Davis quotes tweeted you. Oh,

1:21:45

okay. And then I just

1:21:47

kept reading them and I was like, I think I'm canceled.

1:21:49

I think this is what finally did it. And

1:21:51

then I was just like, I can either ignore it or

1:21:53

make fun of it. And I think I have to make

1:21:55

fun of it. But in hindsight, looking back, and it was

1:21:57

early on, I was like, early

1:22:00

in the season, the way that

1:22:02

the Survivor 46 treated Andy was like

1:22:04

the most Survivor 46 thing

1:22:06

that could have happened. I brought them together. Yeah.

1:22:09

Like, it's like, oh yeah, this is how they

1:22:11

are. This is what it's like. Yeah.

1:22:14

So, yeah. Yes. Izzy,

1:22:17

how are you doing? I'm good. Hello, Chicago.

1:22:19

Wow. I'm big

1:22:22

in Chicago. Wow. What

1:22:24

an ovation. Yes.

1:22:28

As a member of

1:22:30

the Fields family, honorary survivor,

1:22:33

yes. What

1:22:36

do you think about this season? Listen.

1:22:41

I ultimately think this season is like a mess.

1:22:43

Great TV, you know? I

1:22:46

think, you know, I have a lot of opinions about the idol

1:22:48

thing. I think like this, there's a

1:22:50

lot of advantages, a lot of idols, a lot

1:22:52

of stuff in the new era and I

1:22:54

think it's like less

1:22:56

a fear maybe of like using it correctly

1:22:59

and a fear of being without something. No

1:23:01

one wants to be Siri on Game Changers.

1:23:03

Right. Right? And this new era,

1:23:05

there's so much out there and people are scared of the

1:23:07

next vote, but if you don't even get to the

1:23:09

next night, who cares? Yeah.

1:23:13

That's interesting. I never heard it

1:23:15

put that way, that there's so many things.

1:23:18

It's like, finally, I have a thing. I can't be

1:23:20

without my thing. It's

1:23:22

scary to be without your thing. Okay.

1:23:26

America, how are you feeling about this season? Wow.

1:23:29

I like it. I love people backstabbing, blindsiding

1:23:33

each other. I think it's so fun.

1:23:36

I'm kind of new to Survivor. Yeah.

1:23:39

So Corey's like, oh, they always have blindsides. And I'm

1:23:41

like, oh, well, you know, I wish there were more

1:23:43

our season and I wish there was more people cutting

1:23:45

their number one. I really

1:23:48

hope that happens. I was really, you know, rooting for

1:23:50

that in the jury house. Like, I like it. I'm

1:23:53

here for it. I love the job. Yeah. It's

1:23:55

very messy. Yeah. You

1:23:58

like that. I like it. I'm like

1:24:00

saying, because I'm like, Corey, why don't they play

1:24:02

their title? I would rather play it and not

1:24:04

have any votes. And like, what

1:24:06

did I say, babe? Like,

1:24:09

I'd rather. It was good. It was good. Whatever

1:24:11

I said, it was good. It was not

1:24:14

bad. Sounds like bad. I'd rather go home

1:24:16

and like, no, I'd

1:24:18

rather say I use it than go home having

1:24:20

it. Like I just don't get it. I

1:24:23

agree. No, I think

1:24:25

like there is the idea that Izzy was talking

1:24:28

about of like, I don't think it's fear of

1:24:30

playing it wrong necessarily. When you have

1:24:32

the idol, you also know a lot of people

1:24:34

also don't have the idol. The second you use

1:24:36

it, it goes back into play. There's another idol

1:24:38

hunt going on. I think what's super interesting now.

1:24:42

So even Charlie doesn't know Venus had the idol.

1:24:44

I don't think there's going to be an idol

1:24:46

hunt because everyone's going to assume somebody had it.

1:24:49

So we might be done with idols for

1:24:51

the season. I don't

1:24:53

know. I think they're going to go

1:24:55

back out and look for a for idol. Not

1:24:57

Liz. No, no,

1:24:59

Liz has never looked at all. Yeah.

1:25:02

Jessica, are you a big survivor fan?

1:25:04

I am. Yes. Okay.

1:25:08

I love me some like really strong women and

1:25:10

heads up. Like I'm in

1:25:12

love with all the women from the new

1:25:15

season, from the new era because I feel

1:25:17

like, I mean, I love all the women

1:25:19

on survivor, but I feel like this new

1:25:21

era of women has just been big bosses.

1:25:24

I just want to see someone make

1:25:26

a big move. You

1:25:28

know, I'm about the big

1:25:31

move. Right. I'll take

1:25:33

them out. I just need

1:25:35

someone to go. I need a big threat to

1:25:37

go home. What would be a big move? I

1:25:40

mean, it would have been a big move for Venus to use

1:25:43

that idol and take you

1:25:45

out. Yeah. I think that would have

1:25:47

been a great move. Yeah. But she didn't

1:25:49

know. Yeah. She didn't know it

1:25:51

was coming. I love that there's like all

1:25:53

the women left plus

1:25:56

Q and Charlie and Ben. Yeah. Yeah.

1:26:00

I guess I only focus on the women,

1:26:02

but yeah. Maria's looking like

1:26:04

she's in the best spot. But again,

1:26:06

she's in the best spot. At Kenzie? I think

1:26:08

Kenzie's in a great spot. Yeah. Kenzie

1:26:10

seems to be sort of like the filter for

1:26:13

both sides. Everyone seems to be coming to

1:26:15

her to run their plan or

1:26:17

things by her, and that's pretty, that's extremely valuable,

1:26:19

and also no heaps on her. She's the only

1:26:22

duo where her Tiffany went, and she's not immediately

1:26:24

going after her. Everyone's talking about Charlie and Maria

1:26:26

that way. We haven't talked about it tonight, but

1:26:28

Kenzie did a really good job. She was

1:26:31

kind of in her feelings right after tribal

1:26:33

council, and then sort of like, all right,

1:26:35

then her rebounds from this, and then she

1:26:37

wasn't really even in discussion to go home.

1:26:40

So she's rebounded really well from that, when she could

1:26:42

have been the next person to go home. Jack,

1:26:44

how do you feel? How's it

1:26:46

going? I'm happy to be here. What's up, Jack? What's

1:26:49

up, Jack? What's up, Jack? What's up, Jack? What's

1:26:51

up, Jack? You know, something that I think

1:26:53

is really cool about Survivor, I'm a newer Survivor

1:26:55

watcher as well, is

1:26:58

how they're talking through all of these game

1:27:00

moves in front of the jury.

1:27:02

So it's all happening live, and jury is learning

1:27:04

about it as it happens, and so it's

1:27:07

been cool watching them make their cases,

1:27:09

and they're obviously very vocal about it.

1:27:12

And so that's cool. I'm interested to

1:27:14

see how it all plays out. Yeah.

1:27:18

Andy, who are you rooting for? I

1:27:21

really like the position that Charlie is in

1:27:23

right now. I like that he is like,

1:27:26

Charlie is like the beating heart of what's going

1:27:28

on, but he's got like the limbs and the

1:27:30

body flailing in front of him, and like Maria,

1:27:32

and then Q, and then the other players. And

1:27:35

I think that if he strikes at the right

1:27:37

time, and if he makes the right moves, and

1:27:39

I think it's gonna be like a delicate process,

1:27:42

I think that all of his small moves will

1:27:44

culminate into something really impressive, if he can make

1:27:46

it to the end, but it's a big if. Tonight,

1:27:50

America, that when Charlie talked to Kenzie,

1:27:52

he used a turn of phrase that

1:27:54

I haven't ever heard before,

1:27:56

he said, I'm going to tell you the

1:27:59

Taylor Swift honest. Now,

1:28:03

is that a real thing? And

1:28:06

then if Charlie lies on Taylor

1:28:08

Swift, does he get cancelled like

1:28:10

Andy? Well, I hate to

1:28:13

say it, but you got the wrong

1:28:15

one. I'm not the Swiftie. Cory is.

1:28:17

Everybody knows about Keith Swift.

1:28:19

It's him. They actually, when we were

1:28:21

in lockdowns in the house, they would

1:28:24

play Taylor Swift just

1:28:26

for Cory. They told us later, they're like,

1:28:29

Cory, we played all too well, the

1:28:31

10 minute version, because we heard you really like Taylor

1:28:33

Swift. So he's a 50. A

1:28:35

lot of people complain about how much Charlie mentions it.

1:28:37

Y'all are just lucky they edited out my DRs. Every

1:28:41

other word. I do want to touch on what Izzy

1:28:43

was saying about Charlie, because like, Charlie's game is so

1:28:46

interesting to me. If he has

1:28:48

a chance of getting jury votes, he's playing

1:28:50

perfectly. But he might just not have

1:28:52

a chance. And we're just seeing a totally different

1:28:54

version than what the jury's seeing. I think what

1:28:56

this shows is he has a lot of faith

1:28:58

in Ben. Because right now, at the

1:29:00

final six, he's going to have the same chance to

1:29:02

do the move he wanted at the final seven, assuming

1:29:05

Ben's on board. I have no

1:29:07

idea. We haven't seen much of Ben's thought process. But

1:29:09

if he's able to get Maria out now, it's one

1:29:11

week earlier, one less week he needs to win out.

1:29:13

And if Jag kind of showed, if you have win

1:29:16

equity, you're towards the end, you can just kind of

1:29:18

win the stuff and get to the end. Wow.

1:29:23

Jag, look at you. She's sweating

1:29:25

bullets right now. No. That

1:29:27

was actually, I'm a ventriloquist and

1:29:30

I... That was not a

1:29:32

good one. That's so good.

1:29:41

Okay, now,

1:29:45

It's not a big part of Big

1:29:47

Brother, the choose People for Rewards that

1:29:49

we saw Maria Have to do tonight.

1:29:52

What was the reaction from the Big

1:29:54

Brother panel about that? I Had to

1:29:56

do it. I Had to choose people.

1:30:00

Playing so well that they are volunteered to

1:30:02

do as I didn't have to choose Ah

1:30:04

by it was it made my life very

1:30:06

easy. If I had done and I would

1:30:08

have just wanted to do it fairly like

1:30:10

squarely like you three were have not last

1:30:12

flicks I would die or about. I wouldn't

1:30:14

have been emotional. Yeah. Big easy

1:30:16

to be a have.with me. I

1:30:19

alleged to be as an hour. And

1:30:22

then I chose Bowie, a member of our progress Bowie

1:30:24

that could be mad at me and bowl was really

1:30:26

mad at me. I

1:30:28

think ultimately like those decisions

1:30:31

only matter. Like. If

1:30:33

you want a reason to not like that

1:30:36

person, It's I trust Drag and

1:30:38

Jackson's at me on a reward. It

1:30:40

doesn't matter to me if I don't

1:30:42

trust Drag, it's just evidence of how

1:30:44

are you sick interest at what you

1:30:46

know. Dad would have done rock paper

1:30:48

scissors sale with everyone like I should

1:30:50

not lose respect about Move Rock paper

1:30:52

scissors is a week I am. I

1:30:54

want to dumb gummy bears our millionaire

1:30:56

or the well as the officer. Okay,

1:31:01

I'll be brother pal Or any

1:31:03

other thoughts that you wanted from

1:31:05

a big brother perspective, you want

1:31:07

to hear about Survivor Forty Six.

1:31:10

Be. Be twenty six. Got a date pointed

1:31:12

out? Yeah? are you on sight in

1:31:14

my. Baby July seventeenth and

1:31:16

eighteenth. It'll. Be something. We

1:31:19

need the no one sees now. Gone

1:31:21

silent. No immediate

1:31:23

effects in i Hate

1:31:25

Camping is so intense

1:31:28

inside Jackhammer mans. I think

1:31:30

Julie needs a bring. So much was letters

1:31:32

to the me Either you imagine a movie

1:31:34

to god one on one. Started

1:31:37

on who's. Always

1:31:39

curious as survivor ever

1:31:42

wanted. Survivor lives speeds

1:31:44

yeah say was as

1:31:46

soon. As I see I would be such

1:31:48

a different. View on these players

1:31:51

that you see now wages.

1:31:57

i like of using the big brother live feed

1:32:00

get boring. Survivor live feeds is

1:32:02

a lot of down time on

1:32:04

Survivor. I think Survivor is fine.

1:32:07

I don't know if you need Survivor live feeds.

1:32:12

You can't say that to Big Brother people. Let's

1:32:14

just get to Big Brother Canada with live feeds.

1:32:16

How about that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All

1:32:19

right. Big Brother panel, thank

1:32:21

you so much. Stay right here. Stay right

1:32:24

here. Sam, what's

1:32:26

up? Okay. What?

1:32:29

I really, I mean it so much. Thank

1:32:32

you. What an incredible audience you've

1:32:34

been here tonight. I was

1:32:38

really worried coming into tonight, Fatah. This

1:32:40

is the biggest crowd

1:32:42

we've ever had. And if the

1:32:44

crowd does not cooperate, that these

1:32:46

shows can be really hard to

1:32:48

do if people are talking and

1:32:51

not paying attention. But this

1:32:53

crowd was so amazing. So

1:32:56

thank you so much. And you know what?

1:32:58

Sam, I'm considering, I think we would come

1:33:00

back to

1:33:05

Chicago. You guys do rock.

1:33:07

Okay. Any other notes

1:33:09

for the people? The second bar? Okay. All

1:33:13

right. We'll do that after

1:33:15

we stop recording the podcast.

1:33:17

But of course, if you're

1:33:19

listening to

1:33:29

this for people who are not with

1:33:31

us on Thursday, we still got a

1:33:33

Survivor. Know It All is coming up

1:33:36

on Friday and everything else. So if

1:33:38

you watch us on YouTube, we'd love

1:33:40

to hear your comments too. So I

1:33:42

want to thank everybody that came out

1:33:44

to the ATHLEAN AM Theatre tonight. You

1:33:46

were amazing. Thanks to this incredible panel.

1:33:48

Thank you, Sam, behind the scenes and

1:33:51

everybody else who helped us put on the

1:33:53

show. Have a great

1:33:55

night, everybody. Take care. Have a

1:33:57

good one. Bye.