Our relationship with other animals is often a question about value. Is it possible for us humans to create deeper connections with animals we have been exploiting for so long? Consider birds, for example, and all that has been done to them and with them.In this episode, Miia Laine meets up with philosopher Elisa Aaltola and ecologist Mia Rönkä. The Saari Residence is located right next to Mietoistenlahti bay, a protected area that is well known among nature-lovers and birdwatchers. It’s also a place that wouldn’t currently thrive without human intervention.