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On to this week's episode. Guys, what are your thoughts on Patrick Swayze?

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Well, up until yesterday, I thought he was still alive. Seriously?

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Tell her who you thought was dead. okay i

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said dustin hoffman is who i confuse

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him with yeah yeah so he said like i always

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eddie was very confused i was i always confused patrick

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swasey and dustin hoffman they look so much alike and

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i was like what and then

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you really can't make this up not dustin hoffman

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david hasselhoff okay so you

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let me just get this straight and then he was like

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who's dead dead who i thought was dead rest i

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thought david i always confused david hasselhoff and patrick swayze all the

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time so okay so you confused patrick swayze with dustin hoffman who wasn't even

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dustin hoffman it was truly david hasselhoff you just referred to him as dustin

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hoffman correct i love this and he was absolutely confused when i'm asking him

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these questions during the, while we're watching the movie that is okay well

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so then let me you know say

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it again not David Hasselhoff how do we feel about Patrick Swayze as an actor

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because his five most prolific films are Dirty Dancing okay I know that To Wong

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Fu Thank You Everything Julie Newmar oh that's right I forgot about that one mm-hmm Point Break.

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Never seen it. It's such a good movie. Ghost and Roadhouse.

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And these are five completely different performances, different movies.

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And yet they're like the reason he's this huge star.

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Two out of these three movies have been remade. They have. Point Break's been

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remade. Dirty Dancing got a sequel. Roadhouse has been remade. Oh, it did. You're right. Yeah, yeah. So we've got three.

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I don't know if Ghost did. Yeah. I don't think Ghost has gotten remade.

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No, no. But I'm sure it's in the pipeline. I mean, I just... Inevitable. I think he has one hell of an interesting career,

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especially for, you know, straight man.

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Like, he's kind of like Hugh Jackman in a way. I don't know.

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Does he have like a modern day, contemporary, I should say, equivalent?

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I mean... He's really versatile in terms of like, can do like Dirty Dancing

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and Roadhouse within two years. I don't know. but like but is dirty

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dancing that different from ghost well that's

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a yeah i mean because they're more so like what it

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why because they're more quote-unquote chick flicks but they're very different

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type of chick flicks no but like the character he's playing aren't too dissimilar

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in terms of like being like the crazy obsessive guy madly in love with this

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not necessarily younger person but like the other significant other he becomes

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a ghost and like chases her through his his afterlife.

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He protects her, but... Just as he, what's it called, as baby,

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was put in the corner and taught her how to dance and was just obsessed with her.

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I disagree, but I can tell you that he does romance very well.

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He does. You fall in love with him in the process of him falling in love with

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someone else, another character.

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So he does romance very well. He has appeal and charm about him.

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Even when he's just playing like a

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kind business guy who got wrongly killed or a

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sexy cabana i don't

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know like i don't know he wasn't already dancing exactly but

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uh what what the instructor working in

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a country club you know there's something very charming and

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he doesn't and he and it's

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something he he's and he could play the action

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hero you know he also could be action

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hero too without him being being too

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much and then he can play a drag

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queen even though yeah i love that movie

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so much yeah i love that movie so much it.

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Is a good movie yeah and it's just he's such

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a unique movie star and i think he convincingly

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portrays all these roles as like he he

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pulls them off and i don't know if

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there is a contemporary equivalent but it's interesting that

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in the roadhouse sequel because today we're covering roadhouse they

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gave this role to jake gyllenhaal who is

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somewhat a very i'm sorry remake who is

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somewhat of his own kind of interesting kind of

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does something different and eccentric with all of his roles you

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know kind of the 2024 24 counterpoint in

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a way so something i definitely want us to discuss a little further so let's

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just get right into it i'm nicole i'm rolando and i'm eddie z and this is remakes

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reboots and revivals an original podcast about unoriginality.

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Music.

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Okay, so before we get into it, I just recently moved into a new apartment.

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So if the space sounds different, there's very high ceilings and it's a very open concept.

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So I'm hoping we don't come into too many issues with audio recording,

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but that is to be decided.

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And I just realized... Are you telling the audience this? I'm telling everybody.

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Well, I just realized too, I wanted to tell you guys this, is that when you

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come and you visit this apartment, This will be the fifth of my apartments that

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you would have visited, which is funny because as long as I know Rolando, I've only visited one.

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Like, it's just I'm, yeah, just always moving. Yeah, you're the Phoebe of the group.

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I feel like Phoebe was like the one who probably moved around the most.

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Yeah, definitely. Like, true to my nature. I feel like I'm a Monica.

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You just said the nicest thing in the world by calling me Phoebe because she's

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my favorite friends character. Character so it all worked out it

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all it all worked out and is monica yours no i

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like them all but i think the one i saw

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i don't know i don't think i have a favorite because i like them all for

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different reasons okay right like yeah

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but i think uh what's it called i think i i think i

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always saw myself more so as a monica hmm yeah

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i see more as a monica too definitely so

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it all all works out it does awesome well

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i guess that's about it this is really exciting

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for today's episode because you've never seen

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roadhouse and roadhouse is probably one of my favorite not even

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guilty pleasures just a pleasure i think it's very watchable and a fun movie

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and it's the only one of those that's like qualified as like a you know a guy

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movie that i'm like yeah no this movie rules guys i agree because this is like

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got aired all the time on you remember spike tv.

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Oh my god i haven't all the time tv in forever

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all the time this was a

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spike tv favorite and spike tv man

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channel yeah like programming for guys

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it was so dumb i can't

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believe that was like an actual cable channel it was which is so interesting

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because like i think this i'm just gonna say right now i think this movie is

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really gay so it's amazing that straight men love it because i'm like oh wow

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i finally like get it if only if it's for its hidden homoerotic qualities,

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so uh interesting i i remember you told me this uh you you found it to be one

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of the most homoerotic like straight man movies i am gonna have to have you

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decipher this for me because, I see a little bit, sure, but not...

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I wouldn't call it homoerotic. You wouldn't call it homoerotic?

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Okay. No. All right. Nor would I call it a good movie, though, to be quite honest.

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I wouldn't say this is a movie that should be studied or, you know,

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is well-respected or something, but movies come in all sorts of genres and in

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packages and stuff, and I think this movie does not take itself seriously.

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I think it just wants to have fun, and I think that in those ways,

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it definitely succeeds. And i do think that this

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proves that straight men understand camp and

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that it's not just like reserved for either women or gays so

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it's like wow straight men can do camp too so it's

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also interesting so you didn't think this movie took itself

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so seriously i don't think so at all wow

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i kind of i disagree

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disagree yeah well it

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depends it's like so mommy dearest right that's a camp movie

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that takes itself very seriously that movie was that

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threshold of yeah camp yeah that absolutely was

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out to win oscars i don't think roadhouse was

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out to win oscars i don't think i don't think i don't think a movie has to aim

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for an oscar to be taking taking itself seriously i definitely do think that

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like the director and the writer and patrick swayze here thought they they were

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definitely giving like. Like they were, you may didn't, maybe they weren't aiming for Oscars,

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but they were definitely aiming for like critics choice or something.

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I don't know if that existed in the eighties, but I think they were,

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I think they were like aiming. They, they wanted some, like some not prestige.

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Right. Cause I don't think, again, precision is not something that like everyone

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is seeking, but I think they were, I don't know. I think they took themselves seriously.

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We have some of the camera movements with some of

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the treatment of the male physique on the camera

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yeah just some of the dialogue that they were trying to

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write it was just like okay like they this movie

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definitely took itself way more seriously than you give it

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credit for and i do think because of that is why it crosses it to camp because

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i do agree with you there is camp in this film but i i think these are all things

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that we attribute to 80s movies to these kind of like karate for example yeah

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yeah it's usually a white guy that That studied karate under someone else,

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you know, martial arts history of some sort. There's a lot of tits and ass.

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A lot of tits and ass, right? And you get these moments of elusive sex scenes.

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You know, the sex scenes, too, right? I'm trying to think of, like, in this...

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Like just an ordinary movie that

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i've seen where where it's like oh

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this is the sex scene all right it's been

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a while like it's been a while but when you watch an 80s movie

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that has to do with kind of like action man thing insert the say oh this is

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this is where the sex scene comes yes we've been waiting for the sex scene the

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way sex scenes are being done are very differently and i think there's a whole

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discourse going on right now in film about like oh do we need sex scenes even.

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It's just like, well, I think sometimes we need some sex scenes, right?

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Like some good sex scenes that come to mind, even though they weren't like sex

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sex, they were more like oral sex where there was like a tenderness for all

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of us strangers. That's from 2023.

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And another one that another oral sex scene was from Saltburn,

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right? When he's going down on a woman on her period.

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And both of them are truly trying to elicit different reactions from audiences,

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right so i think there is still use for the

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sex scene but like yeah watching this it's

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been a while since i just seen a sexy just for the sake of sexy and it was so

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awkward because i don't know like that was just an awkward sex scene yeah patrick

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stacy and the doctor okay so maybe let's get into plot really quick before i

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at least say why i don't think it's like a movie that takes makes itself too, too seriously.

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I think they were not laughing the whole time and being like,

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that's so ridiculous. And I don't think they were making a parody.

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But it's weird. It's like, so are you either blatantly making a comedy or are

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you just making something that is, having fun with more so comedy?

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Gimmicky and templatey things and that's the

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thing around here a lot of those like action movie

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or like hero story templates were like

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kind of being generated and solidified the

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ones that like later on when we really started parodying them were in this era

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but i know that this movie was like reacting to responding to straight up copying

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movies that came before it and trends and whatnot so and also a lot of it just

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felt like i mean it was the 80s so i'm sure these writers were like

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on cocaine when they were coming up with some of this stuff and it feels like

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that too because a lot of it is just completely unhinged so plot wise we have

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a even the immediately it's like how is this serious how is this supposed to

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be like take it seriously we have a world famous.

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Bouncer club bouncer which already is like it's the before the internet how

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is this guy so freaking good famous mouth magazines everyone knows what he looks

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like everyone knows the name james dalton or just dalton and he's a professional

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bouncer he's they call him a cooler,

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and he's very stoic and he's very cool-headed but

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he can like bust anybody's face in and so

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he is sought out by a businessman who

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wants him to come to missouri and turn his you know

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roadhouse the double deuce into like the best nightclub in

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the damn area and so dalton agrees

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dalton like sells his car

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and then buys something else goes down and yeah like the moment he walks in

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everyone knows him even you know the blind guy who is performing in the band

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just based on his voice because they have this relationship and immediately

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he has come into people who are you know don't want on him there,

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who people like the way things are at the Double Juice.

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They liked it corrupt. They liked it really trashy.

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And a lot of them work for a guy named Wesley, who's going to become the main villain of the story.

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Wesley kind of has the entire town in his pocket.

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Everybody's, you know, giving him money and everyone's keeping him happy so

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that he doesn't destroy their lives, essentially.

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Basically like a mob lord. Yeah. And Dalton, you know, he's just trying to do his job here.

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You know, his whole thing is Be nice, right? Like do your job.

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Don't engage in anything. Be nice until it's time to not be nice.

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And here is someone who is pushing him a little too far with every step.

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And you know he falls in love with this nurse who ended up

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being wesley's ex-lover he needs his like old

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pal wade garrett who's also pretty fucking world famous

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to come in and like help him you know his tutor even

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though i don't know who i know wade garrett taught him the ways of

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bouncing but i do not know who taught him the

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way of martial arts he also has i think a phd in

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philosophy it's like these kind of things the

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way of the martial art it's i

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mean it's it's so that's why i'm like this movie cannot be that serious maybe

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it is but also it's like it has to be having fun there because it's like the

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fact that they're trying to make a philosopher just tells you they were trying

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to go for a little bit of depth here it wasn't it didn't read like intentionally

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hubris it read like it's like we're going for we're going from profundity.

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Maybe well the thing about dalton too is that he has some trauma and the fact

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of the matter is is is that at one point, he actually killed a man in self-defense

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by ripping out his throat. So if he's pushed too far and he's engaging in violent behavior,

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then he has the power to kill a man with his bare hands.

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So Dalton is no one to be fucked with.

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Quick correction, Elizabeth Clay is a doctor.

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Dr. Elizabeth Clay. Played by Kelly Lynch, who does not have the...

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The best like filmography but she was

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in cocktails she was in drugstore cowboy desperate hours

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jane lynch i don't know

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actually i don't think she is i don't know

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all these nepo babies it's hard to tell nowadays yeah well

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they're much older i i don't think they are to be honest they

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could be cousins they could be i didn't see it on the wikipedia page so you

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think it's gonna be like oh he's gonna turn the double deuce around from like

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dump into like the coolest this fucking club in the world i mean and he does

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that but then that kind of becomes a b plot and then this whole wesley thing

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completely takes over and that's when the movie gets really unhinged.

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Um and yeah it just becomes like escalated

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fight after escalate like it just keeps escalating to 11 and then by the time

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the movie ends it's almost like it goes by the time the movie ends it dials

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back to like a four and yeah silly it is a little anticlimactic at the end but

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like they're like Skinny dipping in the pond.

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It's like, and kissing. Yeah, which, see? See?

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I don't know. There's something about this movie, in particular when it comes

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to the woman, I agree with you. It's one of the worst sex scenes I've ever seen. It's just not sexy.

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It's not. It's so awkward. It's almost too choreographed. It was clumsy in the beginning when they were just trying to,

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like when they were about to kiss hands and and it's like

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but they hadn't even kissed yet and yeah it was like they were just hovering around

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each other's mouths it was trying to be i was trying to elicit like passion

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i was trying to elicit like kind of that moment that moment desire but

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yet it was so cringy i was just like it was terrible this is just this why it

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is not working it's yeah i know what they're going for it just didn't work but

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that whole story doesn't work and then like it gets creepy with wade garrett

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like making moves on his girlfriend but But him allowing it,

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that becomes... Him allowing it or her laughing it off.

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Yeah, trying her best and being like, I got to get the fuck out of here.

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They're dancing in a diner and then that family eating. It's just like,

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hurry up, hurry up. We got to go. It was so weird.

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And I'm just thinking about... But I'm coming at it from all these HR, sexual conduct classes and stuff like that.

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Looking also from a very... entering a very

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woke era of of consent and

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and physical expression and and how we treat women

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you know but it was

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very much oh this is so 80s it's so

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like this is like hey she's the girl

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and it's my buddies you know so it's

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always so cool you know you know

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but that's the thing too that's wade yeah it feels

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forced whereas the real passion is

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between the men like the real like i

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want you and i like i want

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you in terms of i want to kill you yes but it's

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like passion nonetheless and like the gazing and the like the desire is like

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all throughout the male relationships to the point where we get the famous line

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i used to fuck guys like you in prison oh my god yeah so that was his coming

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out story i know seriously like they're like fighting.

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I yeah so all right was that

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line intended to be read like i meant

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i've you know fucked up guys like you in prison right

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like you know how like in the heat of the moment you say the wrong things was that

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like the intentional read like was this what the writer was trying to elicit in

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terms of like i used to fuck up guys like you're like you know like kill guys

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like you in prison right like that kind of read or is it literally like i used

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to sexually assault men like you in prison no it's 100 yes yeah you have he

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has him from behind whispering that in his ear when he's saying that too.

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Okay i mean yeah i i get it was

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just a weird line to just put in there but that's why

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it's also like okay you know like everything involving

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these men is just like so intense you know

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yeah the the real relationship too is like how

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how much you know wesley and him are obsessed with

20:35

each other the other guy who says that line who whose name

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i can't remember but he's played by marshall teague the

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one who says i used to fuck guys like you in prison i didn't

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know he had a name yeah his his character we'll just refer

20:47

to him as the art actor marty yeah and lackey

20:51

and the way that the girls are just kind of like almost there

20:55

is like ways to get to each other like that one girl who

20:57

strips and does the thing and dalton could give two fucking shits right

21:01

denise that was denise yeah and

21:05

it's like there for like guys who want to see you

21:07

know tits and ass and stuff but it's not about her it's about these

21:10

men and just like this these power struggles

21:13

and stuff and i don't like a desperate woman and

21:16

that was like the most biggest act of desperation yeah it

21:20

was nothing sadder like seeing her

21:23

give this dance and it's more like and it's so

21:26

unnecessary and also remember the girl that in the beginning of

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the movie who like comes and visits him and brings some coffee and stuff

21:32

and harry never see her again no we

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do see her no i mean we see her performing on the

21:38

stage she pops up here and there she's always

21:41

like in the background or something yeah we

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do do see her a couple of times but that's also too.

21:46

That's such a weird character yeah because.

21:49

Even in it's it's like a another

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character i feel like there's missed opportunities to kind.

21:57

Of play a more significant role yes maybe more

22:00

than just the ditzy waitress you know because it's a nice It comes across in.

22:09

The remake a little bit better as that Carrie is a little different.

22:16

It's like, hey, I brought you breakfast. I know you just moved in. I brought you some food and stuff like that.

22:21

You had a whole desperation. I really wish you stay. I really wish you're not one of those that easily go away.

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Then pow, already there's another layer of this character. But the other one

22:31

is a little kind of like, oh, man, I'm going to stare at your ass a little bit.

22:35

And I'm going to, the funny thing is that she said, oh, you made such a big mistake.

22:41

And he says, what do you mean? Oh, like, if you want to die.

22:44

You know, like, not, like, telling him, hey, Wade's not a good guy. And he controls people.

22:50

You know, like, not telling him the whole story, too.

22:53

And so it's like, yeah, this is definitely. So she's there for exposition, dumbfisher.

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That's what it feels like. Yeah. They could utilize her.

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It's like, I have cheese, man, but I'm not going to tell you.

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But I have some juicy cheese. Yeah. You'll find out.

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You'll find out. Yeah. yeah so it's

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like and that's the thing too maybe it's just it's probably at

23:15

the end of the day bad writing but i'm just kind of like this movie is

23:18

ridiculous and it's like focusing on other things

23:21

a little too much and turning other things to the wayside which inadvertently

23:25

becomes camp you know truly the definition of camp is actually that it's not

23:28

intended so like for me to say that like this is proof that straight guys understand

23:33

camp i actually mean to say that this is proof that that straight guys can appreciate Cam.

23:38

You know, this is just the type that they wanted. But I've always felt like

23:42

it was homoerotic just because of the fact that all these men just want to dominate each other.

23:46

And it's all about like them exerting control over one another.

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I mean, the most homoerotic part of the film was when Wesley's just staring

23:52

out the window as, you know, Dalton and the doc are going at it on the roof

23:57

of the house across the lake, which is also, A, that's her ex.

24:03

So she knows he's right across the lake. That's number one.

24:06

Yeah okay number two the farmer who owns the property is also with an eye eye

24:12

line here i know a bunch of people the the audacity of these people.

24:19

He's an exhibitionist yeah not not yeah

24:22

but i was like when the movie

24:25

started and you get a series introduced a series of

24:28

these older gentlemen i was like why is

24:31

all the older older guys giving out creepy vibes yeah it was frank the guy who

24:36

was like super creepy in the yeah just like but then by the end he's just like

24:41

he's fine it's but it's yeah it's like do you want to lick his chest i don't

24:47

understand why is this whole like these long,

24:50

kind of like gazes that you're giving him you know

24:53

let's cut the creepy

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guys but i i really say

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like a lot of these things i've seen like a tribute

25:03

to 80s movies 80 action flicks

25:06

and it is true like it's under women become more

25:10

of maybe the plot twist something

25:13

they play off of and but the men really are the ones that create the more in

25:19

their own ways and these action action flicks they're more deeper relationships

25:23

absolutely which you know is at the end of the day like men And straight men

25:28

really just love and respect each other.

25:30

Like women are usually just kind of like they're, you know, so.

25:33

Oh, yeah. I mean, this is the male gaze, you know, written all over it. And yeah. Yeah.

25:41

Yeah yeah he was hot shit

25:44

he's sexy i mean him i it's

25:48

so ridiculous this whole thing yet i buy it i buy

25:50

that he has a philosophy phd i buy that he knows martial arts i buy first of

25:55

all he did all his own stunts and apparently marshall teague broke two of his

25:59

ribs and that like the reason he took ghost was because of a direct reaction

26:05

to this movie where he's like i need something where I'm not doing as much as I did.

26:09

Oh, he, Patrick Swayze's ribs were broken. I thought he, Yeah,

26:12

Patrick Swayze's ribs were broken, yeah. I see.

26:15

But apparently a lot of the actors did their own stunts and stuff.

26:18

Well, it was also the 80s. They weren't like, I'm sure.

26:21

No, there were stuntmen. There were stuntmen. No, but where the,

26:23

no, no, no, but you know, now there's like actual rules enforced and stuff because

26:26

the students don't want to like lose money on insurance claims. So I don't know if that was around yet in the 80s. It was just like,

26:33

eh, fuck them. Yeah. Your stock.

26:37

Just everything that he's kind of selling here, I buy at the end of the day.

26:40

I think that he pulls it off.

26:43

And I think that this movie works with him in it. If this movie had Tom Cruise

26:47

in the lead, it probably would be way more laughable.

26:50

This movie has its laughs, but it's almost like you want to go with the movie on it.

26:56

You're not necessarily pointing and laughing at the movie.

27:01

It's ridiculous, but you're down to meet the movie there.

27:03

And i think that's swayze's performance

27:07

i think i don't know if it would have at least for

27:10

me i don't think if any other actor was in this i would have felt that

27:12

way about it which i agree yeah i

27:15

have to give it to him at the end of the day yeah it's it's

27:18

his charm it's the way he kind of like he makes all these ridiculous things

27:23

work you know work and maybe like take them almost seriously like he does give

27:30

that sense of that like even when he was in command to the floor he does give that sense of like,

27:37

being in charge being a leader but not being bossy about it yeah and really kind of like.

27:46

You know, wanting to stand on, if we could have like, you know,

27:51

the famous line that gets used even in the remake, you know,

27:54

who, you know, did you win the fight? And when you fight, nobody wins. Nobody wins a fight. Yeah.

28:00

Yeah. I'm so glad they reused that line. They actually reused a lot of lines.

28:05

And I didn't think that this movie would be as much of

28:08

a kind of like beat for beat in

28:11

a weird way they towards the end it kind of went its own road but

28:15

it's a lot more similar than i thought it would

28:18

be to the patrick swayze one um yes

28:21

it was i had a quick question as someone

28:24

who has been to missouri before this is the one thing i could not

28:27

like wrap my head around i don't think real missouri

28:30

people dress like this nor is it so populated like this like like the the way

28:35

because there's supposed to be something like is that a big town that they're

28:39

in right or is it no i don't i think it's a smaller town i mean that's why wesley

28:44

owns it how did this nightclub go from like being like this little rinky dinky bar to like looking like.

28:50

The bar from saved by the bell it wasn't the bar the juice bar from the same

28:53

because like by the end like all the remote and also how long i had no sense

28:58

of time in this film right how long was.

29:01

Adulted in town for because he his his rate was

29:04

five hundred dollars a day which in the 80s he's probably

29:07

a billionaire by the end of i know seriously he's

29:10

not working there how could he truly afford dalton good

29:14

questions i think that the reason

29:16

why it probably was is because it's missouri there's probably

29:20

not a lot of options out so everyone's coming from every direction to

29:23

this new place that you know world famous dalton you

29:26

know brought from the ground up so because remember

29:29

he's he's fucking famous like men dream of

29:32

punching his face in so yeah yeah yeah

29:35

it's it's probably that but it's also like who

29:39

cares in a weird way yeah i i i

29:42

didn't i i felt at least in this road in

29:45

this roadhouse the feeling of of the

29:48

town people being a little more real to me

29:51

than the the remake i

29:55

did feel like there was more sense of people except of

29:58

just it's kind of like background characters but.

30:01

Extensive like people and i i did enjoy

30:05

the fact that they use you had more supporting cast

30:08

that felt less like npcs

30:13

like using the dungeon dragons reference

30:16

here but but more like oh these

30:19

are people that live here they work here you know know these are the day-to-day

30:22

folks yeah i felt i felt that more in the this original so let's actually talk

30:29

a little bit about these like other characters and stuff right so let's i want

30:33

to turn our attention to the main bad guy wesley right wesley played by ben gazzara.

30:40

Yeah, so I understand that. So he was basically like a mob lord by the end of

30:44

this film. Everyone in town. So the way the movie ends, right, is not even that Dalton lands the final blow to kill this guy.

30:53

It's all the townsfolk come in and then shoot him.

30:56

Right? Which is like, I think this is where the movie kind of drove me insane.

31:00

I was just like, oh, this kind of, it was like, what a whack fight to see between

31:04

Patrick Sazey and this older gentleman.

31:07

And it wasn't even like a good fight. You know what I mean? And then on top

31:10

of that, he doesn't even land the final blow, right? It's the town folks that

31:12

come in and shoot him. I mean, Jesus, even the doc didn't die.

31:16

I kind of like that the town folk killed him personally. Do you?

31:20

Because, I mean, he burned Red's place down.

31:22

Like, he took his freaking car or whatever that's called on those maps.

31:26

Monster truck? Monster truck. Thank you. And drove through the car dealership. I mean, he's been making these

31:32

people's lives fucking miserable. He destroyed the liquor of Frank's establishment. establishment like

31:37

dalton just got here maybe okay

31:40

so you know what it is maybe it kind of just

31:43

came too quickly because that all kind of stuff happened like towards like the

31:46

final act of the film when we started seeing like more of these townsfolk being

31:49

interjected into the story right like otherwise i

31:53

don't know i just didn't necessarily care too much

31:56

about it because like yeah i wasn't i wasn't invested in the town i

31:59

was invested in i suppose but like dalton but from

32:02

the moment like when he goes and he finds the apartment you know

32:04

like the helicopter flies is over and we see that the guy his

32:07

his landlord is like this motherfucker like we

32:10

see frank interacting with the people who wesley has

32:14

in his pocket red is someone we've seen a couple of times like

32:17

we keep seeing almost in every sequence an instance

32:20

of him dicking over these towns people yeah but then we also start seeing them

32:24

starting to plot after red's place gets burnt down is when we start seeing like

32:27

kind of i don't know form a coalition or something that also reminded me and

32:34

it came and it went into my mind of something that was driving me.

32:39

I had a question about, and I don't remember now. About the townsfolk?

32:44

Maybe about the townsfolk? Go on. That red, now the other layer of connection, too, is that red is the

32:54

uncle of Dr. Elizabeth Clay.

32:57

Is he the uncle? Yeah, I guess he's the uncle.

33:01

He's the uncle. And raised her too. And that the reason that she's in this town

33:06

or that she came back was because, you know, he looked out for her.

33:12

She's looking out for him. So there you go.

33:17

So it's a feeling of like, I'm rooted here. I'm not going to go. I'm rooted here.

33:22

Yeah. I think this is also very much like the setup is very much a classic Western

33:26

type setup where it's like outsider comes to this town and there's like a bad

33:31

guy who's terrorizing the poor, helpless town folk.

33:35

And that at the end of the day, too, like these people are going to take the

33:38

law into their own hands. That's very much a Western plot point. yeah so i think that's also why i at

33:46

the end was like yeah i'm satisfied with that ending.

33:48

Because that's more you know lawless i

33:52

mean this guy has been determining his

33:55

own laws and rules by intimidation and violence so

33:59

yeah i'm glad yeah i'm

34:02

glad they did it and you know that's happened there's a couple of like

34:05

stories of real life terrorists of these towns like

34:09

kevin mcelroy or something is like a

34:11

famous case where he was killed in the middle of the street and like

34:14

nobody saw a thing you know i've never heard of

34:17

this interesting god i wish i

34:20

remembered what this point i was trying to make it's like

34:22

it'll come to you it'll come to you maybe i

34:26

hope so i hope so too so anything

34:29

else we want to say about the first one before we slide on over into the new

34:33

2024 remake make no i mean i don't know i mean the action sequences were good

34:41

i actually did enjoy the action fights like i never i never seen anybody there was so good a polar bear.

34:50

To bring somebody down yeah i

34:53

think the the fight choreography was that was fun to watch yeah no i mean look

34:58

it was a fine movie and stuff and i was just like okay cool do you guys think

35:02

sam elliott's hot i don't know if i would say hot but i did find him attractive

35:06

he has an appeal to him especially that hair especially that hair and he's just like.

35:14

I'm like hello yeah oh i remember now what my point was so the other thing that

35:20

kind of drove me bad in terms of like the story what's happening so we at this point we've seen.

35:27

Dalton kill a few people now, right? First he killed, he ripped off the throat

35:31

of the guy who sodomized someone in prison, right? That was the first kill.

35:35

And then the next kill are the people that he murders trying to get to the bad guy.

35:41

But when he finally gets to the bad guy and it's about ready time to rip his

35:45

throat, he doesn't, he hesitates, he stops. Then they're just like,

35:47

but why? Why at this point? Like, why? You've already killed so many people to get to here. So like,

35:52

why, why is this one different?

35:54

I know, he's the only throat throat you should be ripping out i suppose yeah

35:59

the doctor like come in right around that time too,

36:03

no i think yeah no the doctor was like you know she was she was there she was

36:07

there when he's gonna i think so yeah she was there when he was about to rip

36:11

his throat the other guy's throat the uh wesley's throat yeah so i i i i don't

36:17

get shot to be honest yeah so did i i thought,

36:21

you know when when wade when if wade

36:23

told him what do you do when a man has a gun in your face you

36:27

either die or you kill him right and then

36:30

i'm thinking that this character is deciding to make

36:33

a third choice right like you let it go like you give you give you let me say

36:41

it you give this guy a pass or you you spare his life you know but he killed

36:46

all the minions i know yeah well i know but.

36:52

We're trying to think of that that wade that um excuse me that dalton is not

36:56

a per se a killing machine like he he knows how to kill and he knows how to

37:02

fight but he's not a killing machine, and i think we we add this on this element of him being a philosopher too i

37:09

mean we have to think about it why why would they say i mean he doesn't get

37:13

to teach philosophy you know in this movie but but it is moments of.

37:24

Contemplation that he has of thinking about choice, what it is to have choice

37:29

and what it is to give choice to others.

37:32

So I think this is where the hesitation comes in.

37:35

But at this point, he has inspired other people to rise up and defend themselves too.

37:41

And the town folks, the men, I decided

37:44

to take matters into their own hands and recognize that the

37:48

only way to get rid of this person is to

37:50

kill him and they just killed wade garrett you know

37:53

like they just killed his mentor he like christopher nolan

37:57

saw this and was like this is a great idea for the dark knight like give

38:00

him like you know an option he has no idea which one he's

38:02

choosing and it that will fuck anyone

38:05

up you know so i think that at the end of the day he just

38:08

kind of gets he just kind of gets blinded and

38:11

reality kind of sits back in and he realizes what he's

38:14

become right as he's about to rip his throat out because like

38:18

i said he's not this person but you know he's brought it

38:21

out in him and he doesn't want to be he's been trying to escape it for so long

38:25

so okay well then that is that that that is that thank you very much uh roadhouse

38:35

won the most watched cable movie in 2020 20.

38:42

And it did get a sequel. Roadhouse 2.

38:46

You have to look at the post. Not with Patrick Swayze. It was like a direct-to-DVD.

38:52

Yeah, the poster alone tells you everything.

38:56

Yeah. And I think it was inevitable that a remake would happen and this remake

39:01

was announced about a year or so ago. And of people who have seen this movie, people are like, what the actual fuck?

39:07

Jesus, this is like gay porn. Thank you see at the end of the day that is what Roadhouse should be actually

39:16

I'm surprised it hasn't been made into a porn I promise it probably has it probably has,

39:22

So enter Doug Liman, who we've talked about his films before on the podcast.

39:27

Most recently, we talked about him with Mr. and Mrs. Smith.

39:31

He's a really prominent filmmaker for action movies.

39:36

He has done The Bourne Identity. He did Edge of Tomorrow with Tom Cruise. Which was so good.

39:42

So, so good. Yeah. I love that movie so much.

39:45

His first movie is Swingers, which is a comedy and stuff. But now he's kind

39:49

of went more into the action movie genre.

39:52

And most recently, his movie is Roadhouse.

39:56

This was something that he had hoped to get released theatrically.

39:59

And recently, there's been some kind of hoopla because he was incredibly upset

40:04

that MGM Studios decided to release it only through Prime.

40:07

And he has been quoted saying that Jake Gyllenhaal could have won the Oscar

40:11

for this and that. Them releasing it on Prime totally messed it up. He said that.

40:15

He said that. So, do you have evidence of him saying that? Because I actually

40:19

love that for him. I probably could find it, yeah.

40:22

Because I understand where he's coming from with that.

40:26

Because, I will say this much, this movie is carried completely by Jake Gyllenhaal's performance.

40:34

Truly. Oscar-worthy, I wouldn't go that far. But, definitely,

40:39

definitely quite a feat that Jake Gyllenhaal did here for this film.

40:43

And Jake Gyllenhaal is another very interesting actor I mean if we were to talk

40:49

about some of his most prolific roles you know what do you know Jake Gyllenhaal from,

40:53

Brokeback Mountain, Spider-Man Darnie Darko oh Darnie Darko.

41:02

Nightcrawler Drugs or something yeah Love and Other Drugs you guys remember

41:08

October Sky yes yes based on a true story he was in God,

41:17

Oh, no, I was going to say he's even been on Broadway and he did a musical.

41:20

He did Sunday in the Park with George on musical, which is one of my absolute favorites.

41:24

I think I don't know if he it's that's one of my favorite musicals.

41:29

So he's another one who just is kind of like taking his career in as many different directions as he can.

41:34

He's also been in Zodiac. Zodiac. Yeah.

41:37

He's been in a lot of different stuff. Very well. The day after tomorrow.

41:42

Yes. The day after tomorrow. The day after tomorrow. We were going to cover him a year or so ago.

41:48

With Ambulance. Yes. So he's been doing a lot of action movies with filmmakers

41:53

like Doug Liman and Michael Bay and stuff.

41:57

He's kind of been leaning more towards that road.

41:59

And he always portrays really eccentric characters.

42:04

And I was expecting him to kind of go off the walls with this movie.

42:08

And character choice-wise, he did the exact opposite. He was very subdued.

42:14

He played this very subtly. And yet he did. i agree with you i think he did a really good job and just kind

42:20

of like playing it pretty, calm and stoic and he did what you know kind of patrick swayze did yes he yes

42:28

i would agree differently but similar and it was a good foil to kind of the ridiculous bad guys yes.

42:39

And i take good here like just like okay i understand why he's like it this

42:43

way yeah we we just go off the bat like have you ever heard conor mcgregor talk

42:48

no i knew of him but i never,

42:51

i've never seen an interview with him so i don't know i don't know

42:55

if this is how he is me neither but like i already know it's gonna win in terms

42:59

of the worst performance of the fucking year this might be one of the worst

43:01

performances i've ever seen he sounded like just like the director told him

43:06

he's like you're gonna play the lucky charms mascot but like the looney tunes

43:10

character yeah He alluded to his character.

43:13

And never stop creepy smiling. Okay, get it? No, that is a Conor McGregor thing. That I know.

43:19

Is it? I think he's always just, he has like a deranged smile.

43:25

It's incredibly deranged. And like from the moment his character comes on screen, it bothered me.

43:31

Yeah, yeah. This was a, I don't know. This was a choice for sure.

43:36

And I don't, I was definitely just along the lines of just like, wow.

43:41

This is okay and they really were banking

43:44

on conor mcgregor here because he got next to jake gyllenhaal all the other

43:48

promos he would have thought that he was like going to be like the main bad

43:51

guy which he wasn't even oh is eddie looking up eddie's looking up to see what

43:56

he sounds like training looking you know open for opportunity open for breakthrough,

44:03

he sounds like a regular irish guy yeah he

44:06

sounds like a regular irish guy yeah definitely i i

44:09

you can you can i i mean this is you know he

44:11

he's he speaks intelligently but well you could you could you could definitely

44:17

you definitely tell you know he just like cranked it up a little bit cranked

44:22

it up a little bit this is like borderline offensive if he himself were not

44:26

irish there would this This would have been considered a hate crime.

44:32

So I guess because he is Irish, it shouldn't be as offensive. But like, it's just bad.

44:38

It is just bad. And isn't this man like, hasn't he been accused of sexual assault

44:43

or something? Why is he being allowed to be in movies?

44:46

I actually do think he's been accused of sexual assault and just regular assault

44:51

like several times also. He's an MMA fighter.

44:54

Yes. I think so. So he's probably terrible on just all fronts.

44:58

So I don't fucking feel bad at all. Like, please don't put him in any goddamn more movies, especially when the two

45:04

of them are up against each other in a scene. I'm like, how?

45:06

The charges were dropped against him. So. Oh, wow. They hush money.

45:11

Okay. You got to say allegedly on all these things because they are litigious.

45:16

Allegedly hush money. That's what it feels like. But anyway, this guy sucks.

45:20

Don't like him. Almost ruins the movie. but then again

45:23

this movie you know is fine

45:27

no i i look just like

45:30

i thought the other roadhouse was fine so did i think of

45:33

this one the only difference is just like this one was

45:35

truly carried by a performance from jake gyllenhaal that

45:38

actually is what made it just like watchable to

45:41

be quite honest like otherwise like if you didn't have jake gyllenhaal in this

45:45

film this movie would would have been just completely just bad yeah easily right

45:51

because the writing is not good the writing isn't good and it feels yeah it

45:56

feels like it's trying to walk the steps of the original roadhouse but like.

46:01

It's so either the original roadhouse was

46:04

trying to take itself seriously or the original roadhouse was trying to

46:06

have fun this roadhouse definitely isn't

46:09

taking itself seriously it's but it's totally kind

46:12

of all over the place because it's trying to say like commentaries

46:15

in it but then at the same time it's incredibly templaty and

46:19

like absolutely just ridiculous it feels like

46:22

it was was written by chat gbt so i

46:25

mean hey that's being generous too

46:28

and i'm i'm so sorry to charles malandry

46:32

and anthony bagarasi the credited writers for this

46:35

but at the same time like i don't know

46:37

this movie to me it kind of doesn't

46:40

know if it wants to like be taken seriously or not yeah it's it's i agree with

46:45

you right it's uneven tonally and it's kind of a little bit all over the there

46:52

were elements of it that i liked in theory but not in execution for example they built out.

46:59

Dalton having a relationship like a friendship with the girl who works at the bookstore right,

47:04

i actually like that i didn't like her performance but i

47:06

like where they're going with that right it's not like i felt that relationship to

47:09

him was way more important than the one they try to like hammer in with

47:13

the doctor because this woman she gave

47:15

nothing she's just talk about terrible

47:19

terrible performances here like like conor mcgregor was

47:22

giving his life giving us angry leprechaun this woman

47:25

gave us absolutely nothing but trying to look pouty on screen it's just like

47:28

geez like it was like if i didn't like the the sexual if i didn't like the sex

47:34

scene between patrick swayze and this other lady in the original roadhouse i

47:39

did not like the general relationship between Jake Gyllenhaal and this actress. Ellie.

47:46

Ellie was her name? Yeah. Ellie, yeah. Made by Daniela Melchior,

47:49

I think. She's Portuguese. Yes. And it was just like, I was just like, uh-uh, this is not working. This beat of the story.

47:58

But you know what was working for me? Frankie. Frankie.

48:02

She was the bar owner. And I was hoping that this would be the love interest, to be quite honest.

48:06

I would have liked, actually, Jessica Williams to have played the doctor role.

48:14

I could have also seen that, yeah. Because she would have given that kind of

48:17

level of humor and a bite back to the Dalton character in this movie that definitely would appreciate it.

48:30

Definitely that i would have like hey if they don't end up together

48:33

i hope they stay best friends you know that kind of kind of feel because her

48:38

as the bar owner didn't give me what i've seen this her done as done in other

48:44

stuff you know i feel like i feel like her being the bar owner wasn't.

48:51

Or they could have played it up more it could have played because she could

48:53

have played it it could have been that character because i know i've seen her

48:56

like in shrinking and shrink and Shrinking? Shrinking.

48:59

Shrinking. She's amazing. She's amazing in that. And so funny without having to be funny.

49:05

She's just like, she's just so sharp. I think she would have been a good,

49:08

like, just a good companion for his character.

49:12

And he probably called them out on his shit, too.

49:15

You know? Like, dude, you're psycho.

49:18

You know? You're psycho. You know? This movie almost had too many side characters

49:22

because if they kind of would have put, like, you know, okay,

49:26

let's talk about these three girls. there's Ellie, there's Frankie,

49:29

and then is it Laura who works at the bookstore? I don't remember her name. I don't remember either, but there's three of them.

49:36

And then it kind of feels uneven. So like we're not getting enough Frankie and

49:41

Frankie's story and Frankie's motivation. She's got an interesting, they give her more of a background than they did the

49:45

original businessman, Frank, who hired Dalton.

49:49

And then at the end, which is so messed up.

49:52

He now has all this money. He doesn't give her a fucking dime,

49:57

which is like so disrespectful in a weird way, because it's like,

50:01

he just completely destroyed and rammed like a boat into your establishment.

50:05

Tell her that wasn't him. He's not giving you, but like, it wasn't,

50:09

but at the same time, like he knows exactly, like he knows that she's got her

50:14

fucking so much work and so much construction.

50:17

Ahead of her. He couldn't have at least split up the suitcase.

50:20

So like writing wise, they weren't even focusing on this character but

50:24

then they had an actor who was better than the other girls so

50:27

like you see all the potential in it so yeah bad writing

50:30

good acting and then it's like they put a little bit too

50:32

much into these other characters and they're like pretty much being like very

50:35

tongue-in-cheek with the bookstore girl but like

50:38

they couldn't do we care i mean i did

50:41

a little bit i liked i liked i didn't like necessarily the bookstore girl

50:44

character but i kind of like the friendship that

50:47

he was because i thought that was way more of an important in relationship to him than

50:50

the doctor to be quite honest right yeah so so

50:53

yeah when the doctor is kidnapped by the end of the film right

50:57

i don't think he's doing it because he loves her he feels some sort

50:59

of intense connection for her he's just doing it because he's a good guy

51:02

and she was no she was kind to him she was

51:05

kind to him right now like if if they

51:08

had kidnapped her the little girl from the bookstore then

51:12

now forget it now he would have done that i would have believed that he

51:14

would would have gone out for bloody murder but that's what he does too once

51:17

he learns that she got hurt that she was targeted and hurt by people that were

51:23

targeting and looking to hurt him that's when that's it that that's when it's

51:28

like bruce banner and the hulk moment because unlike.

51:33

Patrick swayze's character this character has seems of psychopathic tendencies

51:40

maybe Maybe like he knows that he has a breaking point where he needs to kill,

51:46

where he needs to like finish the job.

51:49

He sees red and finished the job. Yeah.

51:52

Finished the job. He knows this about himself.

51:54

This is what got him in trouble when he killed his opponent,

51:57

who supposedly they mentioned that was his friend, too. So it was like.

52:03

You know, it wasn't like, hey, you you kill someone I love in in the ring.

52:09

It was more like you punched me so hard. Now I'm going to fuck you up and I'm going to kill you. Yeah.

52:15

Which is interesting because, yeah, he outside of that, he's like a really nice guy.

52:19

He like maintains this whole be nice thing from the original Dalton to the point

52:24

where he's like, oh, how's your insurance?

52:26

You know, because I'm going to do this to you. I'm going to hit you exactly

52:29

here and stuff. And then he even drives these guys. Yeah.

52:32

I loved. Which I thought that was a really great character quirk and stuff.

52:37

And it actually was kind of, like, funny. I was like, oh, and that one motorcycle

52:40

guy that kept, you know, running into him.

52:42

The other one I actually liked. I thought you, again, there were parts of the

52:46

movie that it's just like, there's glimmers of what this could have been actually

52:48

a really good movie. Yeah, it kind of works. With more capable hands.

52:53

But too many secondary characters, yeah, can completely throw it off.

52:57

Yeah, I don't even know if it was a secondary. I think part of it was just the writing.

53:00

Like for example all we needed was a scene with frankie just seeing like the

53:03

the the boat crashing into her thing and just getting

53:06

a reaction shot that would have that would have given me plenty she could

53:09

have done something with that or even just a simple just a simple just

53:11

like just absolute frustrated sigh like because she sees her fucking bar getting

53:16

destroyed right that would have been the perfect joke set up here it's just

53:19

like okay yeah that would have been cute but like okay did we need big dick

53:23

and also like most certainly no did we need that double crossing no yeah which

53:28

Which was like the stupidest fucking double crossing.

53:30

Like, did anybody believe it? Did anybody believe that he's like,

53:35

oh, they took my daughter, you know?

53:38

Yeah, it was a trap. They did take his daughter.

53:42

Yeah, yeah. So double, double crossed. You know, so that was kind of over.

53:46

It was just, I think that was just so ridiculous.

53:51

And then his daughter coming in, slapping him in the face and then taking him.

53:55

I feel like all those particular scenes weren't necessary I think we still could have I think,

54:03

even knowing in the first movie we don't even see the sheriff until the end,

54:09

we don't see the sheriff until he walks in and say okay what happened here you

54:14

know and then it's mentioned that he that they.

54:19

Have the sheriff that he controls the sheriff but this whole thing with Big

54:23

Dick and it's just so stupid It was so stupid. It was so stupid.

54:26

Yeah. It was so, it was so ridiculous. I don't think it was necessary, you know, so not, I don't think it was either.

54:31

That's why I'm like, there's too many characters. Cause not only do you have

54:34

your bad guy, you have your Brad Wesley who, and this is Ben.

54:38

And he's a good character, but then there's his father, who he wants to impress

54:41

and is hovering over him. They're his early minions.

54:45

And then I guess the Marshall Teague of this movie is Conor McGregor,

54:50

although they really expand this character of Knox. They're trying to make him

54:53

a Joker type of character. And they give him this whole introduction, too, just an excuse to see his naked body, I suppose.

55:02

He's an MMA fighter. or he's got a and to like i'm sure that

55:05

was one of his blazers that he actually designs because he's a suit designer

55:08

oh is he wow yeah he i

55:11

mean his suits are so but

55:14

just like the more like the more people you add

55:17

the less time we have to connect with them and can

55:20

i just say the thing about big dick is that

55:23

like was amir was he like dubbed over

55:26

by some different actor or something then because his voice was so like

55:30

distracting everybody was dubbed over

55:33

horrifically in this film that was one of the things i

55:35

noticed like early on like like like the only one who sounded natural was jake

55:39

gyllenhaal but like everybody else sounded so super dubbed to the point where

55:43

just like did something happen with the audio what's going on yeah i don't know

55:48

maybe they're using ai to enhance the audio and it sounds weird maybe i don't

55:52

know in that actor in particular it It was so bad.

55:55

And it was like, is this a different actor who's doing it or is it just bad?

55:59

It's kind of like when Geena Davis did the additional dialogue recording for

56:03

the older Geena Davis in A League of Their Own.

56:06

It was like just clearly not matching and done by someone else. It became distracting.

56:12

And I don't know. There were a lot of things. I think that the best secondary

56:16

character in this whole damn movie was the alligator.

56:19

That alligator was good. That actually was a satisfying death seat.

56:24

To be quite honest. It was, yeah. And those little shitheads in the beginning

56:28

and stuff, I was like, oh, this movie has hope.

56:30

I think that the movie really becomes unhinged in a bad way once we introduce the next character.

56:35

Yeah, Conor McGregor. Yeah, Conor McGregor. And then you almost give Ben Brant

56:41

too much of a reason because Brad Wesley was just a fucking dickhead who just

56:47

wanted control and dominance. To be quite honest, I actually liked Brant as a character.

56:53

Character and i think that giving him a little bit of motivation is like

56:55

why he's being like so comically evil where

56:59

first of all i think i think what a

57:02

great intro scene to show me such a ridiculous character because that's

57:04

we set him up to be a ridiculous human being yeah he's trying to get shaved

57:08

on a boat i was just like this is comically stupid and this is a great and it

57:14

becomes a great foil to like how cool calm and collected jake general hall's

57:19

character is right we didn't need, here's the problem, we didn't need.

57:23

The, I don't know what I want to call it star power, but we didn't need the

57:26

spectacle that became Con McGregor.

57:30

We didn't that was the problem once he does get introduced then

57:33

it's just like okay now we are definitely like because now we're putting

57:36

too much focus and emphasis on him showboating absolutely

57:39

but we didn't need this whole like father storyline and

57:42

then like he has a dream of building you know

57:46

five-star resort here and stupid you know

57:49

like passed down from generation and then it becomes like a class commentary

57:52

and stuff and i'm like why are we starting to take ourselves i don't

57:55

know that that's something about it's called motivation we got a little bit

57:58

of it the problem is it's just like but is he just like

58:00

being a rich dickhead not enough motivation like brad

58:04

wesley was i don't know well he's no because i think it's

58:07

not just talking about generational well i think the other i the other

58:10

commentary is making it's just like what is it they say it's like

58:13

it takes three generations to lose a fortune right.

58:16

Like business a bit family yeah like that's it right three

58:19

generations three generations family business huh

58:22

okay uh it's a it's a saying right like the

58:25

first generation that built it the second generation can like run it but

58:28

then the third one is usually the one that just fucks it all up

58:31

and he was that third generation was the implication right

58:34

that he was like you know the millennial fuck up

58:37

yeah maybe gen z but anyway it doesn't matter look it wasn't that we didn't

58:43

just go that deep into his character he was just overall like i actually thought

58:47

it's like this actually could have been a fun villain that we ruined because

58:52

we had to bring in another ridiculous villain that was just over the top ridiculous in In fact...

58:56

Who gets killed, too, by the other bad guy. He doesn't die.

59:00

Didn't you see? We saw the... No, no, no. The son.

59:04

Oh, the son died by the hands of... Yeah, he broke his neck. Was it Big Dick?

59:09

No. Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right. You're right. Conor McGregor kills him. Yeah. Which wasn't that satisfying,

59:14

either. Yeah, it wasn't. He dies by the hands of his father's, like, I don't know, minion. But...

59:21

There was one thing, this movie, that did make me laugh out loud.

59:24

It might have been the best part of the film. Was when Conor McGregor and Jake Gyllenhaal are fighting in that little small boat.

59:30

And Conor McGregor goes like, ah, our old little octagon. And Jake Gyllenhaal's

59:34

character is just like, who taught you shapes?

59:37

Like, do you not remember this? That was like a funny exchange.

59:40

It's just like, I laughed out loud. It would have been, ah, damn.

59:43

Like, again, Jake Gyllenhaal, I never realized, he understands comedy.

59:48

And he's good. good and he could be he could have

59:51

been like yeah if this was in more capable hands

59:54

this would have been a great film and quite honest like you you see it's

59:56

just like oh this has so much potential it kind of got squandered it

59:59

did and like you even see like when they

1:00:02

kept going to those pov shots remember and like when they

1:00:05

were fighting and like you see it but it didn't like only once

1:00:09

or twice for it to be almost like too random like

1:00:12

it didn't become a stylization and it was

1:00:15

just a little overwritten like there were those characters in the beginning that were

1:00:18

kind of like his disciples staples at the roadhouse and then there

1:00:20

was like the two guys and like their kind of

1:00:23

relationship and then we never see them again and it's

1:00:26

like sucks too because they're also kind of doing jake gyllenhaal's job

1:00:29

which i get it dalton does that he like trains guys

1:00:32

and then they run the show and he only comes in when it's necessary but i don't

1:00:36

didn't get enough of dalton in the beginning to like really kind of understand

1:00:41

him like i guess his reputation preceded him just like in the original but i

1:00:45

kind of wanted a little bit more well yeah his reputation here is different

1:00:48

because he's an MMA fighter. He's a UFC fighter. So there's an actual reason why he's famous.

1:00:53

Yeah. And also famous. Internet wise. Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:57

Famous for killing his opponent. Yeah.

1:01:01

I also, what about that, like, private island that he found with Ellie when

1:01:04

she, like, took him and then they, like, sat down their chairs and drank Coronas?

1:01:08

I was like, is this real? They weren't on a private island. That's what it felt like. They found, like, a little area that they could be

1:01:13

on top of. Yeah, a reef. That's what they were on, the reefs.

1:01:16

I mean, that, to me, I was like, wow. Those are real things in the Keys and

1:01:20

stuff. I actually like that, too. Not their chemistry, right?

1:01:24

Like, I was just, like, just not feeling that relationship whatsoever. I don't know.

1:01:27

I didn't want it. I was like... In fact, when he was walking away,

1:01:31

I thought it was just like, oh, good, they're doing the thing. Like, it's just like, finally, he's not interested in anything.

1:01:35

He just wants to, out of work, I guess.

1:01:38

Yeah, he just wanted to do his job. Yeah.

1:01:40

But it was like, yeah, I mean, I didn't like this character from the beginning.

1:01:45

The moment she opened up her mouth and was complaining about,

1:01:47

oh, you're giving me patients. You know, I'm just like, this is your job, right? You're a doctor, right?

1:01:54

How can I be grateful that they're not dead? I'm saying, you're whole missing the point.

1:01:58

Like this is this is kind

1:02:02

of like the outcome of all the

1:02:05

bullshit that's happening in this town that we find

1:02:08

out is connected to her father too so it's

1:02:11

like i mean her whole approach her whole intro was

1:02:14

just like oh please yeah no she was not effective i'm like don't force this

1:02:20

don't actually i liked the bartender more i wish she was more of like a character

1:02:25

too the one who brought him breakfast to Cuban coffee yeah yes which you know

1:02:31

is Cafe Bustelo let's be honest yes. Yeah now did you know that I mean they

1:02:36

this has been in production for about 10 years and originally they wanted Ronda

1:02:40

Rousey to be in it they were gonna like gender flip it interesting oh that'd

1:02:46

be interesting to be honest yeah and I think they were always gonna have like

1:02:49

professional fighters in it because that's the thing like at the end of the

1:02:54

day this is a fighting picture, it's kind of borderline martial arts so these are all about the fight sequences

1:02:59

and stuff I loved it and I loved.

1:03:04

I mean, that he would break things. He would break bones. And that was kind

1:03:07

of exciting. And the fingers. Yeah.

1:03:10

Yeah. Yeah. No, that was great. Yeah. I liked that character quirk that he would

1:03:14

like literally tell you. He's like, okay, you're going to stop breathing in two seconds.

1:03:18

So. Yeah. Yeah. No, look. Yeah. It's a damn shame.

1:03:22

It's a damn, damn shame that this kind of had so much potential. You see the potential.

1:03:27

There's nothing worse. Or maybe, I don't know. Maybe they were worse.

1:03:31

It's just when the movie is just terrible. but i don't i think it's more disappointing

1:03:34

when like you see the glimmers of what could have been, absolutely like there's nothing more infuriating being like oh you you definitely

1:03:41

squandered this like you actually had all the elements you just didn't know

1:03:44

how to put them together which is interesting because when i look at the original

1:03:47

roadhouse i don't think that. I'm not like wow this could have been better i'm like this is perfect is

1:03:53

that what i think for that what it's just like this could have been worse yes no

1:03:57

i tried it i loved it i like

1:04:01

i like so it's so funny right where both of

1:04:04

these just like i liked both these films for very different reasons and i dislike

1:04:08

them for very different reasons and you know what we saw them we saw them kind

1:04:12

of like back to back back to back right different nights back to back nights

1:04:16

and uh both were entertaining yeah i don't know like these These were both thoroughly entertaining.

1:04:23

There was just, I think, the new one for sure left me wanting more because I saw the potential.

1:04:30

Where the original one, the potential that isn't there, you know,

1:04:35

all the things I could forgive because of the 80s or like the late 80s tropes and stuff.

1:04:40

Like I could forgive the fashion. I could forgive the hair.

1:04:43

Right? That's all quintessential to when it was made.

1:04:47

Can I forgive some of the writing? No. No, but like it was so thoroughly entertaining.

1:04:51

I think the only difference is, and this is, I don't know how you guys feel,

1:04:55

but I think that the 80s film is like 20 minutes too long.

1:05:01

Yeah because if we cut those two hours and perfect yeah

1:05:04

those two hours drag longer than i

1:05:07

think this one did and i found that interesting because this one they're about

1:05:10

the same length and this one i actually kind of like felt like because there's

1:05:13

more happening i guess it just felt like faster there were more action sequences

1:05:16

excuse me maybe i don't know what it

1:05:19

was i don't know this one the the new one definitely

1:05:22

felt like i didn't feel like i was sitting watching a

1:05:25

movie for two hours how much glass was broken in

1:05:27

this movie that's what i want to know yeah seriously this is

1:05:30

constantly smashing glass uh

1:05:34

i think that the new one loses a little steam towards

1:05:37

the end and maybe i've just seen the original one so many times but i also do

1:05:41

think that there's so many unnecessary elements like the sex scene like that

1:05:46

really long creepy moments of wade garrett hitting on his girlfriend like the

1:05:51

striptease but in the weird way they're all there for their own for no reason.

1:05:56

I think, yeah, I think they just kind of made like, it was a very,

1:06:00

very long climax for the new one that could have been a little tighter or with the removal of.

1:06:06

Unnecessary characters just could have been more impactful yeah no

1:06:09

i i agree with you but you know this movie it

1:06:13

did pretty well i think the original had 15 minute

1:06:16

15 million budget and i think it like got 60 million

1:06:18

which is you know fine but this was also the year of batman so like there was

1:06:22

just no way that this movie was ever going to be as successful as that because

1:06:26

that was batman and one of the year in the jones right indiana jones the last

1:06:29

crusade yes yeah so i it's because Because of its reputation on cable TV that

1:06:35

people were like, let's remake Roadhouse. Like, truly, like, it doesn't matter if you do well on movie tables,

1:06:41

I suppose. I thought it was because of Family Guy.

1:06:45

I don't watch Family Guy, so I don't get what you're talking about.

1:06:48

There is so, there's literally one episode where, like, he watches Roadhouse

1:06:51

and he starts doing the roundhouse kick. Roadhouse.

1:06:55

For, like, to move, like, the car, for example. It was just a joke.

1:06:58

It was, like, the whole episode was around this premise. Wow. Yeah. And just Peter saying, Roadhouse. roadhouse

1:07:04

roadhouse sounds and also

1:07:07

parks and rec also had like a great roadhouse sequence where

1:07:10

it's like chris pratt talking about he was giving he had to like entertain guests

1:07:16

at like a cocktail party and the only way he knew how was to like recite uh

1:07:20

what's it called like go over beat by beat the plot of roadhouse so for example

1:07:24

it's like he says the line is just like i fuck men men like you at prison.

1:07:29

And he's like, and you could tell this is non-consensual.

1:07:35

Nice. So I guess I have to ask, I don't know if we can do a whole lightning

1:07:39

round, but we do have to ask in terms of our Daltons.

1:07:42

Oh, you could do a short lightning round. I guess in terms of bad guys,

1:07:46

we can pose Ben against Wesley and maybe the girlfriends, but there's no Wade Garrett equivalent.

1:07:53

I don't know. No. Frank, like the guys who hire Dalton are enough.

1:07:57

So let's just do those three. Ben Brant or Brad Wesley? Who is the true villain here?

1:08:03

I preferred Brant. Yeah. I think Brant.

1:08:07

I like Bradley. Bradley really gave me the sense of creepy old mobster guy.

1:08:14

Yeah. Yeah. I agree with you. I just think Brant's character was much more fun for a villain.

1:08:21

Yeah. He was more of a dickhead where Brad Wesley was just kind of like a piece of shit.

1:08:26

Southern that's why like proper but that's why

1:08:29

i love brad wesley i also just think that ben gazzara like this

1:08:32

movie is he's above this movie but

1:08:36

he also like he acts appropriately

1:08:39

like he he's really taking it like the just amount of seriousness that it's

1:08:46

not like too much and you know what they say that like in order if you're doing

1:08:49

a comedy you got to play it completely straight and if you're doing like a drama

1:08:52

you should add a little comedy uh and i really think I think he just played

1:08:56

it very dramatically and it worked.

1:08:59

Okay, girlfriend-wise, Kelly Lynch or Daniela Melchior, I think is her name? Yeah, Lynch also.

1:09:07

Which is unbelievable. I would agree with you guys, Kelly Lynch,

1:09:10

because I really don't care for that character. Yeah, she... Oh, yeah, you don't care for Kelly Lynch?

1:09:15

Yeah, I really don't. Well, let's call it off the fact that she's also, what a bad doctor.

1:09:19

You just got off of however long of a shift, and then you're going to go party

1:09:22

all night with Dalton and Wade, and then go into work in a few hours.

1:09:29

Oh and he can just say no thanks i don't

1:09:31

want treatment and you'd be like okay bye like well both

1:09:35

doctors are like this apparently it's like okay antibiotics i guess yeah but

1:09:39

uh i felt that she had more chemistry with patrick swayze i'll agree i felt

1:09:46

like their their first meet did have that oh this is kind of cute like you know

1:09:51

they're like flirting and connecting and And stuff like that.

1:09:54

And I felt that that was way more pleasant to see than his first meet.

1:09:59

It was just a sex scene that was just like not good. Everything else actually

1:10:02

about them was actually. Yeah, it was cute. That's true. That's true. The poor girl really put up with a lot in that relationship. Yeah.

1:10:11

Okay. So Dalton, Patrick Swayze, or Jake Gyllenhaal.

1:10:14

Oh, Jake Gyllenhaal. I love Jake Gyllenhaal. And can we just point out that

1:10:18

the guy really got his body. He got jacked. I mean I feel like he's both of them but you know he worked out

1:10:27

for this one you definitely know that I mean he looked really good

1:10:31

yeah he looked very very good I'm also going to go with Jake Gyllenhaal this

1:10:34

might be the unpopular opinion but I think that was just a more,

1:10:38

it could be just contemporary bias for me but that was just like you know what

1:10:42

yeah this was a great performance. I have to go Patrick Swayze because I want my coolers to have PhDs in philosophy,

1:10:52

trained in the martial arts, and with the ability to cut your throat out if

1:10:55

they want. But at the end of the day, they're just there to be nice.

1:10:57

I mean, he just kind of checks all my boxes of what I want from an action hero,

1:11:02

where I feel like Jake Gyllenhaal didn't have enough quirks.

1:11:05

Like, I enjoyed the few quirks that they gave him, but he needed more.

1:11:12

So that was it. I think he did a good job, and I think J. John Hall is a very good actor.

1:11:18

Yeah, I forget how charming he can be on screen. It's so funny,

1:11:21

right? Because he's usually playing the weird guy.

1:11:24

He's very eccentric, typically, yeah. So him kind of playing this more stoic character.

1:11:29

But hey, he's versatile. I love it. I wonder how this film did with the streaming

1:11:34

numbers, considering the Swifties hate him.

1:11:37

Because he broke up with Taylor Swift and took her red scarf.

1:11:42

I do wonder. I mean I'm seeing it broadcasted and

1:11:45

promoted a lot so I don't know if that's like good

1:11:48

or bad for the movie but I do wonder as well I know

1:11:51

that like him and Conor McGregor have been doing a press tour I think we're

1:11:55

finally like in real time like because of the press tour seeing like some of

1:11:59

the effects of like Conor McGregor's time on the on in like take effect right

1:12:04

like he's starting you can see like he's starting to build paralysis and stuff

1:12:07

like his all his years of in the ring,

1:12:11

geez yeah yeah i hope i never see him

1:12:13

in a movie again like oh so that's the thing i think they were

1:12:16

setting up for like his own solo film and i hope that doesn't happen i mean

1:12:21

i think that's the one thing that most of us most people who will watch this

1:12:25

will agree that this was truly a terrible acting job oh yeah no it was it was

1:12:30

awful it was pretty god awful sorry connor not No, sorry.

1:12:35

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1:12:39

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I wonder if we can get... That might take a while to... Get approved. Update, yeah.

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Because my fan club was asking about that. That's all.

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Well, so the episodes that we've been referring to, like our first ones,

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Murder on the Iron Express, Lost in Space, Star is Born, I think you could only

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have listened to those on Podbean.

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So now... Our website, RemakesRebootsRevivals.com. You know we have a website.

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I keep telling you this. Yeah, I never promote this at the end.

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I'm sorry. It's not part of my script. I need to update my script.

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But yes. So thank you very much to those who have reached out and commented

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and made it all the way at the end of the episode to hear these prompts.

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So we appreciate you guys very much. Thank you. And I'm excited for next week

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because I'm just excited and you'll find out why.

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So stay tuned then. Until next time.

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Music.