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Hello

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everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Real

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Time Crime. I'm your host Lee Lamar

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and my little social Sure

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already, that's enough love that for me.

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I've been on my ask for a week with some mystery

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illness, which is really a true crime

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that we should be exploring. But my little

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social studies. Who do I have with me here today? But

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my friend, oh, my

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my real friend. Wow, all

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right, I mean listen,

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this is the definition of progress. My

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Real Time Crime friend Dmitri

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was gonna be honest, was

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one of some of the best of my life. Okay,

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for a second, I know, and no one

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can see Dmitri, But um,

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Dmitri looks like he's wearing earrings

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from that would have been cool if you bought

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them at Hot Topic in But they're

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actually does earphones anymore?

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Oh? I mean never mind, huh huh um.

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Look, look, we don't judge here at Real Time

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Crime, Dumitry. We let you be you. I

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get my accessories where I get them, and that's

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nobody else's business. I

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also want to say I got a lot of messages from

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people being like, wait, you have

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a boyfriend, and I'm

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like, yeah, how did you find out? On the podcast.

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That's what a podcast does. It informs people

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of things. Do you mean what

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you mean? Friends of yours? Yeah,

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friends who haven't like chatted with in a while. Um,

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so, friends who haven't chatting with a while. I'm

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sorry that I should have send out a carrier

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bridge into everyone because it is not like

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public public. It's

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public, but it's not. I haven't like posted

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aggressively about him on social media,

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and that's because my friends I

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posted on him, posted on him. I posted about

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him like twice of my story and lost like two thousand

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followers. It's like, I just met

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this guy, you know, but I've had

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my Instagram following for a way longer. So who am

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I going to be loyal to? I?

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Oh, I hope he's not listening, kidding

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very much in love with him? WHOA,

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there's a Can I have that as a social club? Yeah,

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I'm I'm going in London next week, so we'll

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be together again, and I'm sure

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you'll I'm sure you'll get some since

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we're all social suits here, you will

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be able to piece together where I am

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and who I'm with on my social

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media. Yes, And

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I think that the people that benefit

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the hierarchy of benefiting from this relationship

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are obviously you and Adam.

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Then I think me because I'm really enjoying

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it. And then I think I gotta tip the

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cap to UM the Um

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the comedy clubs in London

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because you're going out. You're there, aren't you? I

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am, I'm I'm performing there.

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I'm performing my hour there, and then

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I'm going to Edinburgh and performing my hour

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there. They're

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really excited about it. Um. But

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also, let me just say something about healthcare

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in America. I'm

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talking about a real time crime because

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we just made a crazy turn. No no, no,

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no, no, no. I just

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want to say this. I have been very

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sick for the last week. Like my favorite

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went all the way to a hundred and three. I

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felt like I was going through menopause. I got

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like an early glimpse into it. I was like, I'm

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having hot flashes, like no, I'm hot, no cool,

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No, I'm hot, swatch it on, swatch it off, swatch

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you itr off. No no, no, I'm not

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ready for that life. That's number one. Number

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two. UM.

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I want to thank everyone on social media reached

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out to me that literally hundreds of people were

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like, I hope you're feeling okay. Also,

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f you to all the people who told me that they thought

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I had monkey pox. That's

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so annoying, Like, don't put that out there,

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don't put that energy out there. I never had monkey

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pox. I was never going to have monkey pox. Well,

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knock on wood, I

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saw that you posted in

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your story. You said, guys, I don't have monkey pox.

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Stopped suggesting that. So to me, that

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was, you know, open season on texting

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you and be like, how's the monkey pox? Very

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way right? But see the thing is that I don't seem

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cool enough to have been to an orgy in Europe.

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What come on, You're going to Europe all the time.

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Oh my god, you're right, Oh my god, I

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am. Try some

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food in the European orgies totally.

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I mean, I just want to say this. I went to an

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urgent care and the doctor

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came out and flip flops and I was like, oh,

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it can't be good. That

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was here and in the US,

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just around the corner, and

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I was like, yeah, I gotta get I gotta I

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gotta leave. I

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can't I can't trust this man's

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opinion. He's wearing flip

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flops at work. Yeah,

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you're not allowed to wear open toed shoes at a restaurant,

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let alone, at at a at

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an urgent care. You know. He's like,

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once I figure out what's wrong with you, I'm heading over to a barbecue,

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So just move

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this along. Hey yeah,

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yeah, all right, Well you guys, I

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don't know why I made that noise, and I'm very sorry. I

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think it's time for us jump into our hot topics

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for today, because I am burning. It's

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not hot flashes and hot topics. I'm

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honestly love about shaking my sutter off. It

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doesn't end, it hasn't ended, it's

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just ending. Well,

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you sound good, Like last week you told

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me after that you were sick. Yeah,

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but I gotta be honest, you were seemed pretty dialed

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in. You didn't sound of This is

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my curse and my gift.

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So anytime I'm like really sick

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and I'm going I'm at the e er and I'm

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like, I was so much pain, I can't

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stop, Like I just crack jokes

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because that's who I am as a person, and

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so they think I'm fine, I'm like, no, no, this is

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my personality. Like I just I'm

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not okay, you know. Um,

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so I really, I really struggle and I pushed

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through um, even

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severe illness, which this

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is not a good thing. This is just like I was taught

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to never take a break. I

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was thought you must fight through even extreme

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illness, um and never take

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time for self care. So anyway, I'm working on

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that. But moral of a story is I

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am getting better. Did you hear that heavy swell? Okay,

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guys, but you know who's not getting

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better? Okay.

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A California woman allegedly

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impersonated a nurse in order to abduct

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a newborn from a hospital room.

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Oh so, she was charged

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with a felony kidnapping after allegedly trying

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to abduct a newborn baby from a patient's room.

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According to a Riverside Conney

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sheriff, this twenty three year old

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woman, Ms Moron, pretended

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to be a newly hired nurse. She

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gained access to a medical unit where newborn

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infants were present. The suspect

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allegedly entered a patient's hospital room and

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identified herself as a nurse. While inside the patient's

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room, she attempted to take their newborn infant.

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She was confronted by hospital staff, who

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then notified authorities. Uron fled

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the scene without the newborn. Investigators

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tracked her down in Marina Valley, where she was rested

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and booked. Um,

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first of all, if she could just meander

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her way into a medical unit where newborns

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are present, there's an issue

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with the hospital. I feel like

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she's just like a secret shopper, you know, She's

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like, hey, I'm just gonna let you know where all

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your security flowers. Flaws are number

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one, the newborn sector. And

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a buddy who did that one time he stole from a store

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and he tried to return. He

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tried to return the item and when they busted and

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he goes, let me tell you why I did that.

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I'm a documentary filmmaker and I was testing

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the things to see how these stories handle these things. And you

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guys did good. You have a good system in place. They're

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like, yeah, not buying it,

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so and how yeah

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it's fine. He rebounded

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better life now. Um, but the balls

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to go into a hospital and

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like just be like I'm gonna take someone's newborn

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baby. I'm gonna dress up as a nurse, take a baby

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and walk out like obviously

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not all there. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. I also think

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it's just like this is a Netflix movie in

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the making, you know what I mean, maybe

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that oh yeah,

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she's doing research for a Netflix movie. I just

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feel this is this

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seems like one of those things that you see that's

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not really real. It's like a the

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infamous baby apper when

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from hospital to hospital stealing

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only the most special child bo Celsius

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on at midnight on you

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know what I mean, Like, this is just why

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would you want to steal a baby? They're

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so annoying that you have to do,

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you have to care so much, like

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you got a feed that like did

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she just have a child? Does she a wet nurse?

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Because if not, she better have a lot of formula

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and there's a formula shortage, so like that's

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expensive. I don't know what she wants to do with

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this baby, but it's a huge responsibility.

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I mean, it's like you're stealing a responsibility

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that who steals jobs.

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Like most twenty three year old you're trying not to get

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pregnant to have a baby, and this one is

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going to take a baby. Listen, it's

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funny, it's not. I'm glad the reason we're joking about it.

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She didn't get away with it, the baby, but It's

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like that's crazy, Like, you're

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right though, why why is she stealing responsibilities?

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Also, like I'm sorry if I'm giving birth

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and people could just walk in and out of

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the room. Too many people are

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seeing my vagina more

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than usual, guards

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standing out, someone's

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a little lofty on her on her

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self image of her. Uh.

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I just think you gotta I mean, if you

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want to come watch the show, you gotta pay a

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ticket. Like

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at least we're twenty five dollars, Like, hey,

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the cost of admission you can come on in. Is

10:29

there a too drink minimum? Oh, there's a I

10:31

mean, you gotta your drink. Um.

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So I had four kids, right, and so the hospital

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that I was at is very like they

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have like a little baby low jack system.

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Right, so if you were if the baby got

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too close to the front door of the hospital or something like that, it would

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set off alarm. So I this sounds

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so just walked

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in in person in a nurse almost

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got away with it. Like that sounds pretty like.

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I think they need to update what they're doing there and be on

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a better alert. Yeah, it sounds

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like a wackass hospital. By

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the way, back to women, women be

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on alert don't have your baby there.

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Don't go to this hospital and have your baby there

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unless you want your baby to get possibly stolen.

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I don't know if there's a yelp for hospitals, but I would

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look into that also. I

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feel like this is like a cool reality

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show, like got you. We weren't

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really trying to steal your baby. Ha ha.

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I'm a cure fucked

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nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me. But

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you know, go back to the balls of going into a

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hospital, dressing as a nurse

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or a doctor, and then trying what

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it means the method actress we find out later it's

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like Nolly a Portman. She's like, I just really

11:45

wanted to know what it would feel like to

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pretend that I was going to steal a

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baby. You know, you know when

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you go to the grocery store and you have to say you have to use

11:53

the bathroom, like you have to go back

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into like where the employees are where,

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like that's where the bathroom is. I feel

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so nervous if I have to

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do that, because I'm just like head

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down and you walk back where you're allowed to

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go. But it makes me so nervous to think

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that I'm walking back where I'm not supposed to

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normally be. So I

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don't know, man, Like my heart would be racing to walk into

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a hospital dressed as a doctor or a nurse and

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start doing ship. But I guess that's why

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crazy people are crazy people. You know what's so funny

12:22

is that your heart races when

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you're literally going to the bathroom in

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the most low stakes possible situation

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ever. Yeah, I mean, listen,

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I never I never claimed to be a

12:34

mastermind a criminal. But also,

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Tom Dream, sorry, where are you? Because you're not in

12:40

your regular place today. I am not.

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I am. I'm up at the lake on

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vacation. I'm on a family vacation. But you know what, crime

12:47

never sleeps oh

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boy, And speaking of crime

12:54

never sleeping, neither

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to our stories about crim

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Okay, so is this one of those feverite

13:04

spikes? Can

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you guys open the window and here? Okay,

13:11

there's no Yeah. I feel like you've been in

13:13

a coma and you're now just starting to come out

13:15

of it. Speaking of being in a coma,

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Hey, hey, hey, we're skipping ahead, sir.

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Oh sorry, that was the one I was excited about.

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Okay, go into it, go into it. No, no,

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because this next one is ridiculous, and this actually

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gets me fired up. This one literally

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no puns. Speaking of being fired up,

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a Connecticut man pulls gun

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on woman who didn't thank him for holding the

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door. Honestly, should

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that should this? Does that? Thank you?

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Should have? And this is something that actually used

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to bother me a lot, because I am

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I'm a gentleman. Okay, I will hold

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the door for people. I will let people whatever it

13:52

is, order first, whatever the thing that you can

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do. That's that's chivalrous. I do that,

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and you did. Used to bother me when I would hold

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the door and someone would walk through like I

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was. It was, you know, like I'm supposed

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to be holding that for them or like they have. All

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it takes is a simple thank you. Did I ever get to the

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point where I thought I should pull a gun on someone for not

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saying thank you? No. I think that's part of

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the the way the world is spiraling

14:15

out of control right now. Yeah. No, I think

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it's just two words, thank you, show some gratitude,

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bitch, you know, or

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you're gonna learn the hard way. No, I mean this

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is, you

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know, like, where's your manners? Said

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Joshua Murray of New Haven was

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that family dollar store on Saturday afternoon

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when he became incensed over the impolite

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act. Mm hmm. So

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basically that's all that happened. And

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Murray alleged the whipped out of pistol during

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the encounter, fled and then was picked up.

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So so not only did he pull out the

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pull out the pistol to

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be like, yo, where's my

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thank you? I mean holding the door

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is a lot of f I mean that burns

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what like point two five calories,

15:05

takes a lot of strength. He he

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then fled the scene because he was like, oh,

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I pulled out a gun. And then he got picked up

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by officers. And when they opened the

15:15

car door for him, did he say thank you?

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Thank you guys so much. I appreciate you

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know what. That would have been fantastic if he didn't thanks guys. I appreciate

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that. It's very nice. As he gets into the cop car, I

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think he's in there like pushing his head down. Yeah,

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and then the jail cell um

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it. It's it's frustrating when when people

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don't say thank you for for doing little things because

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there's an air of righteousness. Um

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again, I think the gun is probably a tadbit

15:40

too far. I'm luckily it was just that and

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it didn't go further than that. But

15:45

you know, also on him the guys at the family

15:47

dollar store looking for polite people

15:49

like, probably not, it's not.

15:51

I don't think that's high on the list. All right,

15:54

just thought, you know, I feel like there

15:56

are a lot of ways that in modern society

15:58

you just pull a gun on someone. You know. It's

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like, if I'm on a first date and he asked to split the bill,

16:03

just pull him the gun. I

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see. Uh who

16:09

Yeah, Well, the truth is things

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are spiraling out of control. I speaking at first

16:13

date. I saw a story that a woman

16:15

is suing a guy ten tho dollars

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for standing her up on a date. How

16:20

does that even happen? Well, because it costs

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eight thousand just to laser everything

16:25

beneath her eyebrows. Sorry,

16:31

then her clothes cost a thousand, I'm sure,

16:33

and then from

16:36

makeup and mhmm

16:38

you just no, no, not from

16:40

experience, you're just guessing. No, I don't

16:42

shave, but um,

16:45

yeah, definitely, I understand it takes a lot of money

16:47

to get ready for date. Did she take a private jet

16:49

to go see him that he said he was going to pay for

16:51

and he didn't pay her back. We don't have all the information,

16:53

Dmitri. Is that the tenders on there? I

16:56

mean maybe, but this is where we're going, Right,

16:58

someone doesn't stand you up on a date, you feel

17:01

entitled to sue

17:03

them. Right, you hold the door for someone,

17:05

which is your choice, and they don't say thank

17:07

you. That does not mean okay, not well,

17:10

and now I should scare the ship out of them or pull a

17:12

gun on them or whatever it may be. Like

17:14

it, I don't know. I I it

17:16

does frustrate me without without

17:18

the thank you, but I don't think, well,

17:20

you know, it's giving with an expectation

17:23

like this is the same thing where everything

17:26

in life becomes transactional or that you're

17:28

expecting something in return. Maybe he just really

17:30

needed that thank you. I don't know, but and

17:34

probably other stuff going on, right, but with

17:36

with not to go heavy on this, but

17:38

with gun violence the way it is now and everyone being

17:40

like Second Amendment, everyone has the right to have a gun,

17:43

not if that's what you're doing with it. Yeah,

17:53

bringing us back home, So um,

17:56

I just I go on these tangents

17:59

that take us all of the strass heard and you're like, yeah,

18:01

but what about reality? Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry

18:03

back to the eight thousand dollar lazery.

18:05

Go I'm

18:08

sorry you're the one who brought up that story.

18:12

Um, that's number one,

18:14

number two. You know, I

18:17

don't think that. Yeah,

18:19

I'm actually I'm done. I'm complete. But

18:22

this is why I like talking to you, because every time I think

18:24

this is this is an open and shotcase. This

18:27

is obvious, like why would someone do that? You're like, no, I

18:29

get it. Pull a gun if you know, if he tries

18:31

to steal some of your fries, like yeah,

18:33

like did he mistake her for someone that might have had

18:36

his money? You know what I mean. It's like you

18:38

never know. M I

18:41

think you would make a great defense attorney because you

18:43

really start on the side of the criminal most

18:45

times, especially if you could find a niche

18:48

where you like a defense attorney but only for like

18:50

hot criminals, like hot guy criminals.

18:52

I think that would be like visits

18:55

with all of my clients there

18:58

it is, it's actually and it's

19:00

win win, so whin win

19:02

for everyone except for me because

19:05

my therapy bill. Okay you

19:07

guys speaking of therapy bills,

19:14

Well, yeah, you feel like you've been sick. I know, you feel like

19:16

you've been in a coma for a while and now maybe you're just waken

19:18

up from it. A

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West Virginia woman woke up from

19:22

a two year coma and identified

19:25

her brother as the attacker who nearly

19:27

killed her. Police

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say they found the fifty one year old Wanda Palmer

19:33

when a name in an upright position

19:35

on her couch with severe injuries caused by what

19:38

appeared to be a hatchet or axe. Her

19:40

brother was suspected after witness saw him at the scene

19:42

the night had happened, but police didn't have enough evidence

19:44

to make an arrest. After two years

19:46

in a coma, the victim is now coherent

19:48

but unable to hold full length

19:51

conversations. When she woke up

19:53

at the long term care facility, authorities

19:55

asked her what she remembered about the night she was attacked.

19:58

She said her brother did it because, quote,

20:01

he was mean, relatable,

20:06

My sisters really mean to me, and like

20:08

I think if she had an ax, that would have been her weapon

20:11

of choice. When I was a kid, I

20:13

was like three, and she literally drove

20:16

over me with her bicycle, which

20:19

is basically like a lot of little axes

20:22

that that. Yeah, I mean, that's there's a lot to unpack

20:24

there. Um,

20:27

I have a podcast about true crime, so um,

20:30

what does she do? Tricks and real estate?

20:33

She are you guys okay? Or do she still mean to you? Well,

20:35

she's alive, We're not really close.

20:39

That wasn't clear. It sounds like next

20:42

question. Um

20:44

okay, So okay, not a

20:46

lot for not a lot for the cops to uh to

20:48

get the brother one right, he was seen at the fit, he

20:50

was seen there before and obviously we don't

20:52

know all the details about what evidence was

20:54

taken in all this not enough to get them.

20:57

Now her waking up two years later,

20:59

do you think is that enough to now charge this

21:01

guy? Okay? First of all, miracle,

21:05

Yeah, first of all miracles. Second

21:07

of all, anything that she says after

21:09

waking up, you just have to believe because

21:12

it feels like God was like poop, I

21:14

choose you to reset. You know, like

21:18

this feels like a Jesus moment. You just take what she

21:21

says for truth. I don't know, it would

21:23

just be too weird for her to

21:25

lie at this point, you

21:27

know what I mean. I think with with the couple of words,

21:30

she can get out. You know, I think

21:32

that she wouldn't want to spare

21:35

it on someone who wasn't the person who

21:37

tried to murder her. And you

21:39

know also because

21:42

look, even if it wasn't him

21:45

and she had a grudge against him,

21:47

he was being Well, that's

21:49

my problem. I wish

21:52

I wish that she I agree with you. She woke

21:54

up from a comma from two years, Like she

21:56

slipped into a comma after she got hit with a

21:58

hatchet or whatever. Right, she wakes up

22:00

two years later and says that it's him, so most

22:02

likely him. The only thing I would have preferred

22:05

was that the reason she gave was

22:07

not because he was mean, because that sounds

22:10

but let's translate that to something else.

22:13

He's as sociopath. He's

22:16

a psychopath, he's a narcissist.

22:19

Maybe he has a pattern of abuse

22:22

with other people. And that was just

22:25

her way of saying it. I

22:27

feel like, maybe, you know, she just woke

22:29

up from a two year coma and she could barely get full sentences

22:31

out, Like, let's give her the benefit of the doubt that

22:34

maybe she meant more than just that.

22:36

I get it. I would have preferred like, he's a

22:38

fucking lunatic that would have held more

22:40

more away for me, but not saying he didn't

22:42

do what I'm assuming he did, and we

22:45

can do that because we're not the authorities. I

22:47

mean. The other thing too, is if she had just died, he

22:49

probably would have gone away with it. And

22:53

you know, I mean,

22:55

it's like possible she doesn't remember it correctly.

22:57

But I think that if

22:59

you're an coma for two years, your

23:01

brain is obviously super foggy,

23:04

and so the memories that

23:06

you have remaining are probably

23:09

the deepest ones m and

23:11

the truest ones

23:15

create, you know. Yeah,

23:18

so I feel like it's accurate. And

23:21

babe, bitch, you're going to jail

23:24

now. Do you think for two years he thought

23:26

like she's never going to wake up. I'm probably getting away

23:28

with this. Yeah.

23:31

Yeah, I can't believe they kept her in life support,

23:33

which makes me think that they're

23:36

probably very wealthy. Maybe,

23:39

but their westroot sounds here

23:42

in a coma and all of that's it. That's kinda be exciting

23:44

to all of a sudden be like, hey, you know that person that's

23:46

been taken up that room for two years. Yeah, they're awake

23:48

and they're chirping like a Canary. If

23:51

someone woke up from a coma for that

23:53

long and and we got a notification

23:56

and you know the main frame whatever that

23:58

means. Like I'm contending, like I'm a hack. I

24:00

would just show up in an alien soon and be like, welcome

24:03

humans in

24:06

the year is three thou? That

24:10

would be so okay, one um,

24:13

I gotta put in my will or whatever that I don't want

24:15

you anywhere near me if I fall into slipping to Oacoma.

24:18

But that is a brilliant idea though, to

24:21

really have some fun with it, right, like you've been

24:23

out for one and twenty years

24:25

and just have like a video of like

24:27

flying cars and shut Yeah. It's

24:29

like when Robin Williams comes out in

24:32

Jamanji and he's like, what year is it

24:39

to have fun at other people's expenses? This

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25:06

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25:08

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be like, well, how long was that out? He's no longer sometimes

25:18

man must be like a decade, three

25:22

thousand beers. Alright,

25:25

So anyway, um,

25:29

okay, you guys, our main story

25:32

for today. Pretty cool if you ask me, so,

25:37

dB Cooper, where are you now

25:40

trending on Netflix? What

25:42

is it about you ask? So? Netflix

25:45

explores this fifty year old case surrounding

25:47

the infamous plane hijactor

25:50

Hi dictor m dB

25:52

Cooper. On November one,

25:55

a man going by the name Dan Cooper boarded

25:58

a Northwest Orient Airline flight

26:00

from Portland to Seattle, Pacific

26:03

Northwest. Years later, but

26:07

right, it's a short flight, right, Yeah,

26:09

this is a short flight. Yeah. Years

26:11

later, Cooper became an infamous name

26:13

and the most wanted man in the entire

26:15

nation. Cooper, also

26:18

known as the media epithet dB

26:20

Cooper, successfully hijacked the flight

26:22

after threatening a nearby flight attendant

26:24

and demanding four parachutes and a hefty

26:26

sum of cash. First of

26:28

all, that's so cool. It's

26:31

super cool. Like when you think about that's kind

26:33

of like James Bond movie type of style, Like you

26:35

hijacking plane, then you parachute

26:38

out into the wilderness, but quickly,

26:40

so it's a short flight from Portland to Seattle

26:42

or whatever was What do you mean he demanded

26:44

a large sum of money. Where's that coming from?

26:47

Well, first of all, can I just say this

26:49

is one So it's fifty

26:51

years ago, which isn't that long

26:54

ago? No, you

26:56

know what I mean, Like, it's not

26:59

that that long ago,

27:01

which makes me think security

27:03

and um

27:06

safety was so bad back then. There's

27:10

no way to find this guy who multiple

27:12

offenses. Would I mean, this

27:15

is so crazy, But okay, it's

27:17

like you think that if you had a

27:19

depiction of what the person looked like and

27:21

he'd committed multiple crimes

27:23

like this, that they would create

27:25

a profile, they'd be able to figure it out. They'd

27:28

have a passenger ledger, they do process

27:30

of elimination. Like it just seems

27:32

crazy that they never caught this guy.

27:35

Okay, I know, and I think now in nowadays

27:38

terms, I think it's insanely crazy. But I

27:40

think now that you mentioned that, you go back to nineteen seventy

27:42

one, which was before I was born. But

27:45

you go back there and it's like, Okay,

27:47

if someone parashutes out of a plane into the wilderness,

27:49

right, you have to spread that message. You

27:52

don't spread it like the way

27:54

we do now with like phones and Twitter

27:56

and this and that. So these people outside

27:58

of that forest or ever may not be looking

28:01

for something. So he very easily could have just walked

28:03

out of there at one point and

28:05

been on his way. It's not like all of a sudden

28:07

the news spreads and everybody's looking out for him.

28:09

Also, is this so crazy? But I always

28:12

was under the impression that if you're on a plane

28:15

and the door the door opens

28:17

of the plane, that everyone gets sucked out, right?

28:21

Is that true or false? No? I think that's

28:23

true. But again short, who knows what kind

28:25

of flight this was? I don't. It probably wasn't a giant, right,

28:28

it seems like a much smaller flight where

28:30

you know, they're just kind of open and close the doors. But

28:33

where's the large sum of money coming from on a flight

28:35

like that? Well, maybe if it's a small private

28:37

flight like that, people are just maybe a

28:39

lot of people flew with their cash.

28:42

Maybe, I mean banking

28:45

was different then, Yes,

28:47

people weren't just like going a t M S

28:49

right, So I

28:51

guess a lot of people just said cash on them And that's

28:53

true, And maybe he knew people on the flight,

28:56

Like remember just last week, we were talking about

28:58

a guy who was stealing ten thousand dollars worth

29:00

of items from people on plane. So it's

29:02

like people bring expensive

29:04

things with them and money with them. And okay,

29:07

so and especially if you're traveling

29:09

abroad maybe or what you carry cash

29:12

on you more so on flights than you would

29:14

in your everyday life, because you want to

29:16

have petty cash around, right, all

29:18

right, So now that I've proved you wrong, we'll

29:20

just keep moving forward. This

29:23

is this is what I like. I throughout these

29:25

these situations and you just debunk them

29:27

and you solve them. And that's what that's what happens

29:29

here, you know, a real social

29:31

slop. Okay, So all

29:34

those crimes were marked by intamy. Cooper himself

29:36

became a media sensation, earning

29:39

multiple references and artwork, music, films,

29:41

and shows like Twin Peaks which I

29:43

Love, and the Disney Plus series

29:46

Low Key. The FBI has

29:48

since opened an investigation into

29:50

cooper his identity and present day

29:52

whereabouts, but fifty years later, the question

29:55

of who is dB Cooper still remains

29:57

unanswered. Netflix's latest

29:59

documentary, D Cute, dB Couper,

30:02

Where Are You, attempts to make sense

30:04

I imagine he just like, hey, I'm over here, just

30:07

like hey, guys. Um attempts to make sense

30:09

of these missing pebble pieces with new clues

30:12

over the course of four episodes in any series

30:14

introduces the investigator, sleuth, and journalists

30:16

who have been working tirelessly to solve this mystery.

30:21

I mean tirelessly, like Okay.

30:23

Following his crimes, he became an American folk legend

30:25

and so called quote unquote badass

30:28

hero. Conspiracy theorists and fans

30:30

alike praised his guts, he escape and endeavors

30:32

with only heightened which only heightened

30:35

his public yet unknown persona.

30:38

This to me, the crime doesn't

30:40

seem like they call it a hijacking.

30:43

But he left the plane right. He didn't

30:45

bring them somewhere else or hold anybody hostage, so

30:47

it's probably a textbook

30:49

definition of of hijacking. He

30:51

took money, fine, but how much

30:53

could it have been? I haven't seen that, but maybe it'll

30:56

be in the Netflix show. And he demanded

30:58

parachutes and he bombed us, so I get the

31:00

the cult hero. You know the

31:03

story is fantastic. I don't know that,

31:05

and I'm sure the Netflix show will be because that's how

31:07

these things happen. But I'm not sure

31:09

that the FBI is like opening this because this

31:11

is a most wanted guy. I think this is

31:13

more like the FBI is like, no, that'd be kind of cool to solve.

31:17

Well, apparently

31:19

this was a commercial airplane and

31:22

he was able to just drop out of it. It's like,

31:24

do you think he was like ex military

31:28

maybe? But it also if he's doing that, what he

31:30

didn't take a parachute with him, Like he went up

31:32

there in the demand. What if they were like, no, we don't

31:34

have Well, how could he bring a parachute with him?

31:36

How could he go through security with that? Well? I guess also like fifty

31:39

years ago, I don't know. I'm very

31:41

confused by a lot of things here. I mean also,

31:44

I don't know if I I understand

31:46

why people would still want to crack the case because

31:48

it's only it's within a fifty year period and

31:51

it's mysterious, and I think, you know, there are

31:53

probably still some people who are looking for Amlia

31:55

Earhart and anything that's

31:57

unsolved. People want to answers to period

32:00

out. But we can also spend those

32:02

tax dollars on getting me a doctor who's not

32:04

wearing flip flops. It's

32:07

not an either or. We could probably do both.

32:09

I don't I don't think that we need too

32:11

much tax dollars to get your doctors some fucking

32:13

shoes to make you feel a little

32:15

safer. Man

32:18

just gonna pay less. You know this, Payless still

32:20

open and today filed for bankruptcy. I don't

32:22

know what I mean, who knows whatever? Okay,

32:24

So, I mean the

32:27

FBI never found the guy, right, so

32:30

obviously they could never make the arrest.

32:33

But do you think that he survived the

32:36

phone? Probably he knew

32:38

enough to do what he was doing. He knew enough

32:40

to do so I imagine. I mean, he's

32:42

got a parachute, right, so I'm sure he just landed

32:44

somewhere. And that's the fascinating part is

32:46

what was life? You know fifty years ago? What

32:48

did he do? Did he live in the wilderness? Did he come out

32:50

and join society and just blend

32:53

in. Did he go somewhere else? Like it is

32:55

fascinating to wonder what became

32:57

of him. This is a real Tom crue

33:00

Is move. Yeah, you know, this feels

33:02

like I'm watching a movie. It

33:04

feels like a mission impossible type

33:06

of stunt. I

33:08

mean, you have to be slightly off your

33:10

rocker to do this and also a

33:13

thrill seeker. And

33:15

also like, this is the type of person

33:18

to me that is like a high stakes gambler,

33:21

you know, is able

33:23

to function on no sleep as going

33:25

from city to city, has casual

33:28

sex all over. This is

33:30

the part of the podcast when Leah falls in love with the

33:32

criminal um

33:35

TV. So if you're still alive, call me. So

33:37

I wonder if he's on tinder um.

33:41

Yeah, so he goes dB

33:44

now goes by David Buster. That's

33:46

when he used the money. That's why he stole the lifelong

33:49

dream to start an arcade a

33:52

chain arcade in arcade chain um

33:55

it is it's it's it's a badass move. The

33:57

whole thing is super cool and it's like, but how

34:01

much did he plan in advance? Did he planned where he

34:03

was going to jump out? Like all that? Because

34:05

he had nothing but the money in a parachute, right,

34:08

So if he lands in the middle of the wilderness, where's

34:10

the food? Where's this? So it's fascinating

34:12

and I don't know at what point he jumped out,

34:14

but did they comb that. I'm sure

34:16

they calmbed the area, but

34:18

I'll definitely check this out. I mean, you're

34:20

going we don't have an answer, though, I

34:23

know. I mean. The other thing is how

34:26

much money did he ask for? Because

34:29

because it must have been a planned

34:32

there must have been someone on there that he knew

34:34

would have a ton of money, because it was

34:36

a empty sum of cash. It wasn't like a random

34:39

flight. He probably there's probably

34:41

I mean, I'm sure we'll see in the documentary, which

34:44

sounds very exhilarating to me. I'm gonna watch it

34:46

as soon as we get off. But

34:51

it seems like he had he knew

34:53

someone was flying with a ton of cash, and he

34:55

planned this out, and he had the expertise

34:58

on how would have jump

35:00

out of an airplane? And or

35:02

maybe he didn't. Maybe this guy's totally bonkers,

35:05

and like maybe he was just hit rock

35:07

bottom and he owed the mafia a ton

35:09

of money or like the cartel, and he

35:12

was like maybe, I don't know, for parachutes

35:14

will get me off the hook, I don't know, And

35:16

then he's maybe

35:19

or maybe this is his way of like drawing attention.

35:21

If he was on the run from Save the Mafia, this

35:23

is his way of drawing attention and then

35:26

faking his death, but it

35:28

does have a very Oceans eleven field to it.

35:30

I agree with you that he probably knew

35:32

someone was on there that had the money and this was his whole

35:35

plan. But the other thing that um

35:37

that field

35:41

is that this guy in the picture of him from

35:44

he's in a suit like

35:47

it's total I

35:49

love the theme. I

35:51

feel like I needed to give you some background. I wanted to keep

35:53

going. If that kept going, I would never Okay,

35:57

well in that case, I'll stop. But yeah,

36:01

no, he's wearing these like cool guy

36:03

glasses in sea

36:07

and his hair slicked back. That's

36:09

pretty badass for

36:11

you, Dan Cooper, where are you? Yeah,

36:13

I mean it's a I

36:17

mean he also look

36:20

if he was like, let's say, at

36:22

the youngest twenty when

36:24

this happened, he'd be seventy now if

36:27

he survived, he didn't

36:30

look like he's twenty in this photo. You

36:32

have any do you think they have any DNA that if they

36:34

ever found a body they could be like they could test

36:36

it. Then he he's all,

36:38

this is okay, this is just like a DNA test.

36:40

Turns out he's a hu. Listen.

36:49

I think this is a This is a of

36:53

story of image that has been enhanced,

36:56

right, because if you think about it, his name

36:58

is Dan Cooper. No off, So

37:00

the Dan Cooper's out there, not very exciting

37:02

name every

37:04

ten minutes. Yeah, they got sunglasses,

37:06

a suit, He hijacks the plane, demands

37:08

money, takes a parachute, jumps out, and

37:10

then they're like no, in order to make this now,

37:13

we're naming him dB Cooper. Right, they

37:15

give him like a cooler name. Why

37:19

because there they is this something

37:21

that was enhanced. I feel like there's more to this story

37:23

than we think. I think there's more people involved in just dB

37:26

acting alone. What's

37:29

an inside job? I don't think you're wrong, and

37:33

I'm very excited to

37:37

just find out more. Yeah, I'm

37:39

excited to find out more. I'm

37:41

nervous to find out more. I

37:44

am

37:48

hoping he's alive and single. Are

37:50

you nervous to find out? Adam?

37:53

I hope you're not listening to this podcast. I love you, Okay,

37:56

so, but

37:58

you get I've had to leave you for a seventy year old

38:00

criminal got jumped out of a plane.

38:03

Like, yeah, Adam, step up your game. Yeah,

38:06

he's got a ton of cash, this guy, and I'm sure he invested

38:08

it well too. Wouldn't that be so funny if

38:11

he did all of this, survived,

38:13

lived to tell the tale, avoided

38:16

the police, only to invest it

38:18

improperly and start back at zero,

38:21

that would be amazing. But this is

38:23

what I want for you. See. Obviously, Adam,

38:26

I love him and that's my first preference. But if

38:28

you're going to go down the path of wanting to take criminals,

38:31

I want you to be with more of like a dB Cooper

38:33

than the guy that pulled a gun at the dollar store.

38:35

Because someone didn't say thank you, that's what I want for

38:37

you. Thank you. That's so sweet.

38:41

And I think that this is an excellent place to

38:43

end our final episode for the season. And

38:47

you guys, did you hear that?

38:50

Did me really cares about me? Yeah?

38:53

That was the standards for me

38:55

and TV. Like the whole season

38:58

is an ark and at the very end, it's a real nice cliffhanger

39:00

payoff. Let's just say this.

39:03

We started with Teddy, we started

39:06

with the Gabby Potito story,

39:08

which was traumatic

39:10

to the entire nation that

39:13

that story just took us all by storm,

39:16

and we started real time crime

39:18

there on a very heavy

39:20

note. I think you know, I was

39:22

still trying to be myself,

39:24

which means inappropriately infused

39:27

humor random points, because it's

39:29

my defense mechanism against feeling uncomfortable

39:32

and burying emotions that make me

39:34

feel sad or confused or heard or scared.

39:37

And then thank you, Um well they

39:40

SAIDs what my therapist told me. And then

39:43

you know, she's like, have you ever considered not deflecting

39:45

with humor? And I was like, huh no,

39:47

so, um yeah, why would

39:49

I do that? No? Thank you though, um,

39:53

you know, and then we slowly got into some

39:56

funny hot topics, crazy

39:58

hot topics. We've talked

40:01

about murder

40:03

mysteries that have never been solved. We've talked

40:05

about a lot of cases that have been happening

40:07

obviously in real time. We've watched

40:10

criminals die on our watch. We've

40:12

seen criminals come

40:14

and go and adel V She's gotten

40:16

n f T. I bought it. I bought into

40:19

the crime, you guys. I'm

40:21

I mean, I just want more access to Anna, I want

40:23

more information. I'm really just mad

40:25

she was never on our podcast. And

40:28

it's been a real roller coaster. Yeah,

40:31

and I like to think, um that we've solved a lot of

40:33

crimes. Don't go back and check because we don't need to fact

40:35

check on that, but I like to think that we did.

40:38

Um we and like you said, we did see a

40:40

bunch of them conclude, like the

40:42

Gabby Potito case. We started, like you

40:44

said, and that was one of those who are

40:46

like, we may never have answers to this. We

40:48

got answers to that. And it's funny that we're ending

40:50

the season with D. B. Cooper, which is fifty years

40:52

with no answers. I love these

40:55

stories, but they drive me nuts thinking we'll never

40:57

know, like deathbed confessions,

41:00

you stuff like that. I always like some sort

41:02

of bow on my crazy

41:05

story. So it's nice that we we do get

41:07

them, and that kind of gives me hope for some of these. But

41:09

that's why keeps true crime

41:11

so interesting, and that's what keeps us digging

41:13

for answers because I don't know about you, but

41:16

I'm a very black and white thinker,

41:18

which doesn't really work great for relationships.

41:21

But when there's a question mark

41:23

or there's a mystery where there's something

41:25

that's unsolved, I need to have

41:28

the hard facts. I need to see the

41:30

answer. I cannot just believe that everything's

41:32

okay. I cannot just believe that

41:35

you know, you know, someone will get

41:37

their justice in the spiritual

41:39

realm. It's like, no, I need to

41:41

know who did it when? How?

41:44

Why the motive

41:47

is always so important to me? Like, and

41:49

this is with a lot of different things, right,

41:51

It's it's just in life. I don't like a

41:53

lot of gray area. I need

41:56

to see. And this is why a lot of my relationships

41:58

and so so dramatically

42:01

because instead of just ending

42:03

it when I'm like, oh yeah,

42:06

see, like this is a psychle I could just

42:08

end it, I'm like, I'll write it till the wheels fall off,

42:10

until I get all the way to the point where I

42:12

know you're cheating on me because I

42:15

caught you red handed, you know, but

42:18

all the other things leading up to it, the clues weren't

42:20

good enough. Um

42:23

no, No, I need to complete the case

42:26

right and then I like people that want to do that. That's why

42:28

I appreciate O. J. Simpson and how he's looking

42:30

for the real killer. That's the type of stuff we need.

42:38

Propacana hasn't been the same since. But

42:43

I really think, I

42:45

really think that I

42:48

am. I'm gonna

42:51

take uh a lot of

42:53

time. There's

42:57

a there's a sentence that will come at some point.

43:00

It it's not there yet because

43:03

just like this podcast, it's

43:06

a taking a quick pause. This

43:10

has been an extraordinary first season of Real

43:12

Time Crime. I

43:15

love all my social studs very much. We've

43:18

very much enjoyed talking about all

43:20

these different wild cases. And thank you

43:22

for falling around my tragic love life

43:24

which actually came to a pretty

43:26

cool conclusion that wasn't open

43:28

and shut case. Also, the season

43:31

is not ending on that like stay

43:33

tuned or to come. Yeah,

43:36

I'm going to London. Who knows, I'll have him

43:38

there. As soon as I get off here, I'm jumping

43:41

right on your Instagram stories and seeing was it well

43:43

you know what the next move is? Oh oh

43:45

oh? Also Friday,

43:49

Saturday and Sunday, I'm running my hour in l A.

43:51

M Are you in town? Uh

43:54

no, I'm at the lake. I

43:57

mean, but I am home now,

44:00

and it's just whatever

44:04

are you going up on Saturday, Saturday

44:06

and Sunday? And then I leave Monday

44:09

and then I'm going to do a bunch of shows in London, So if you

44:11

are in the UK, I'll be doing

44:13

shows in London. I'll also be running

44:15

my hour at the Bill Murray, which is actually

44:18

a venue. And then I'm

44:20

going to Edinburgh and I'll be doing my hour at

44:22

the Fringe. So if

44:24

you're in Scotland, come say hi.

44:26

If you're in London, come say hi. If you're in l

44:29

a please this weekend, I'm

44:31

sure Mary. I've also got other shows on Friday.

44:33

I've got two shows on Friday as well. So

44:36

uh, y'all, this

44:39

has been a wonderful first season. Thank you for blessing

44:41

me with your ears. Thanks

44:43

for being fans, thanks

44:45

for loving us, thanks for following

44:48

along on this wild journey

44:50

that we call crime and comedy,

44:53

true crime with a twizt um.

44:57

I've been Lee Lamar, your

44:59

host. You can find me on the internet

45:01

at Lee Lamar to ours TikTok

45:03

five hours, Twitter, same thing,

45:06

website, same thing I just told her my show dates.

45:08

Then Dmitri, where

45:11

can we find you on the internet? Instagram

45:14

at Dmitri pappis and probably

45:16

the same thing everywhere else. So try that. Okay,

45:19

you guys, we love you so much. Stay

45:22

safe out there, have a very

45:24

safe summer. Take care

45:26

of each other, look

45:28

look out for each other's backs, and if someone opens

45:31

the door for you, for the love of God, say

45:33

thank you, all

45:36

right, thank you guys. See what I did there? Love

45:38

you. I it's

45:41

real time, grad real

45:44

time gro right, I

45:47

mean, is it actually real time? I'm solving

45:49

anything? Or just say it's a fairly

45:51

safe, got it? Okay, see you next

45:53

week for more real time crime, only

45:55

on I Hort Radio