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Hello, and welcome fact to another episode

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of Real Time Crime. I'm your host b Lamar,

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and I have with me my good

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friend. Oh my goodness, we're

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really progressing. This is nice. Well,

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I mean, Adam and I did FaceTime

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you on fourth of July when we were on

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the paddle a swan paddle boat on a lake,

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which has jumped up to the top

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of the list of some of my favorite memories

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and experiences to be

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uh at a Fourth of July party and get a

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FaceTime like huh and and turn it on

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and see the two of you on a giant swan

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paddle voting around the pond. Was

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it was the surprise I never knew I wanted. I'm

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very sad that that's one of your top favorite memories.

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But also, you know, the pond is symbolic

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of Adam living across the pond, so

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and how when you see each other it's like lying on a swan

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with a lot of pedal just

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so everyone knows he's not here right now. He's hiding in

1:07

my wall. But that'll

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be interesting to you later when we get to our main story,

1:13

which is about frogging with

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p Like when you say you're like

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fat with the pH. So

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not a real frog. No, no, not a real frog. It's

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someone who hides in the walls of your home

1:25

or in the attic or in the basement or anywhere

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in your home and stocks you and watches

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you. But more on that later because

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that is the story for our second

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half of the episode today. And we

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have a special guest, Jessica Everleth, who

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is the EP on this new show called

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frogg Gang, which will be out on Lifetime. You

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guys, I am. I saw

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the screener and I'm disturbed. Disturbed.

1:49

You gotta listen to this interview. The

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show is uh

1:54

so cringe worthy in the way that

1:56

you just you literally are so afraid

1:58

to move when you're watching it. I literally

2:01

sat there clutching my blanket, listening

2:03

to every possible noise I could ever happen

2:06

and trying to justify what it could

2:08

be. And then very scaredly,

2:11

took a flashlight and checked every nooking

2:13

coronia of my house like a psycho. And did

2:15

you call Adam afterward and telling you we're scared?

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I said, I need you to come all the way back to l

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A. I'm scared, alright.

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But before we get to that story. Let's get to our hot topics,

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shall we. Alright,

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alright, first hot topic for today. Oh

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man, this is one of those things where it's like, we

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gotta get Teddy's take on this. Jen

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Shaw Real Housewives of Salt Lake

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City cast member, please guilty to telemarketing

2:40

fraud. Okay,

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So, Jennifer Shaw played guilty

2:45

Monday to defrauding hundreds of victims,

2:47

including some elderly, in a year's

2:50

long telemarketing scheme. She

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pleaded guilty to one count of conspiracy

2:54

to commit wire fraud. According to a pre argument.

2:56

Federal sentencing guidelines range eleven to

2:59

fourteen years. Is in prison, although

3:01

I'm sure she'll go in the Martha Stewart route, which is just a little

3:04

ankle bracelet. As part

3:06

of a plea argument, Sara will pay six point

3:08

five mill and forfeiture and up to nine

3:10

point five mill and restitution. She

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was arrested in one while Bravo was

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filming the second season of the show, and

3:17

she consistently professed

3:19

her innocence, going as far as to stay in as

3:22

tagline for the show that said, the

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only thing I'm guilty of is

3:26

being Shaw Amazing and

3:28

saying that is you're guilty

3:30

enough that that allowment I would lock her up.

3:34

You're guilty of being annoying? Who

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who was like, Yeah, that's a great tagline.

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Her guilty plea came as she was

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set to go to trial in federal court in Manhattan.

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They said that since Shaw

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and others sold so called quote unquote

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business services to alleged victims,

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including website design services

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to some elderly individuals who didn't

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even own computers, I

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mean, how much of a pos do you gotta be? Shaw

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and others also identified and sold as

4:06

leads the names of individuals who they knew would

4:08

be defrauded by others. I mean,

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this is just trash

4:13

human behavior. Prosecutor said. Shaw supervised

4:15

the salespeople who lied directly to the

4:17

victims of the scheme. She sought to hide

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her role in the fraud by using encrypted messaging

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apps, placing companies in the name of family

4:24

and others, and setting up an offshore bank account

4:26

and business operations in Kosovo. She

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also underreported her income on tax returns

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for several years. Prosecutors say Shaw spent

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the proceeds from the fraud on her extravagant

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lifestyle. As we trade on the reality

4:38

show sentencing in the cases

4:40

scheduled for November, Shaw

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told the judge, I knew this was

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wrong. I know many people were harmed

4:47

names so sorry, Oh I

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know. I feel so badly for her, Like

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she just got caught up and she denied it for

4:54

years, right, said she had nothing to

4:56

do with it, and she finally came clean. And it's not because

4:58

she turned things around and she realized is the error

5:00

of ever wig she did. What people do they got

5:02

busted, they're facing something, you

5:04

know, a punishment, and they're gonna say,

5:06

oh, I don't know. I've realized

5:09

that was wrong and I don't know what happened,

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and blah blah blah, you did it, live

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with it. I mean. That's the other thing too,

5:16

is that I wonder if it was like a Chicken

5:19

or the egg situation where she had to figure out

5:21

a way to make more money to be more

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attractive for the show, or

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if she was always going to do this sort of like

5:28

horrible behavior, if this is who she is innately

5:30

as a person, And I

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mean I guess it did because since she's

5:35

been yeah, so never mind, I take that back.

5:37

It's been since that she's been scamming

5:40

old people without computers for website services

5:43

and then selling their personal information. So

5:46

yeah, that's way before the show. Yeah,

5:49

yeah, she's a bad person. And then somehow

5:51

she ended up getting fame for something

5:54

else and luckily, you know, in a

5:57

in a karmic way. Season two,

5:59

she gets arrested, like the whole thing comes crashing down.

6:01

Potentially that's what she wanted, was fame in the

6:03

set and then and then it you know,

6:06

she lost it all because she made stupid

6:08

I don't want to call the mistakes because she was aware of what

6:10

she was doing. I feel like there's

6:13

so much crime involved

6:15

with the reality shows. There's

6:17

always something happening, and

6:20

it's very confusing. It's like, what's up with the background

6:22

checks on these people? Or do they have to check

6:24

the income statements to make sure that you know, I

6:26

don't know. I mean it's so interesting. I

6:28

mean I also think that she pled guilty

6:31

because she knew that

6:33

she was going to get caught. Yeah.

6:35

Probably, But the thing is, it's it's real housewives,

6:38

right, and this is apparently what some of them are doing.

6:40

There's a housewives in my opinion,

6:43

I mean that's true, but

6:46

he's a job just kidding. Well,

6:48

I mean, and I know a lot of people want to go to

6:51

like, I have zero tolerance for taking

6:53

advantage of senior citizens kids.

6:56

I mean, I don't think you should take advantage of anybody

6:58

or con them or scammed them. But that's the works. It's

7:00

the easy targets, and it's the people that can't defend

7:02

themselves. And if you morally are okay

7:04

with that, then you're you're sicker

7:07

than just that, you know, which is weird to say, than

7:09

a normal criminal. But yeah,

7:11

I also think that being on the reality show

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is probably the thing that did her in because it brought so much

7:15

attention to her finances. I

7:17

think if she had never been on the reality show, she might

7:19

not have been caught because who no one knew

7:22

who she was. That's

7:24

a good point. That's just my take,

7:26

that's my heart's take. No, it

7:28

makes sense. And you know what good good

7:30

it's it's often it right, It's it's people

7:32

being greedy, are always wanting more in something

7:35

that ends up being their downfall. And that's exactly what happened

7:37

here. I hear that, like I want Adam to get

7:39

a visa or a green card and just him

7:42

not being here is not good enough. I want more.

7:44

I just wanted to make this about me somehow. Okay,

7:46

but I'll be your downfall, That'll be your uplifting.

7:49

I'm very excited for us, for

7:51

us, Yeah, for all three of us together,

7:55

when we live in a home together. I

7:57

actually have some I don't I'm not gonna take about

7:59

now. I have blueprints for a swan boat

8:01

that fits three my

8:04

dream. I didn't know I needed this until now.

8:07

Also, I just want to say, you know, text

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tech company sells our our personal information

8:11

all the time, our email addresses, our phone numbers or

8:14

addresses. All this information is

8:16

getting shared all the time, and they're always constant

8:18

breaches or social scurity numbers getting stolen.

8:20

This is getting stolen. It's like at this

8:22

point when I see that there's been my email

8:24

has been you know, oh you're part of a breach,

8:26

I'm like, I'm not even changed my email address. Like find

8:28

whatever you need? What do you I

8:30

have nothing to hide? Number one, number two, Like there's

8:33

nothing to get from there. You

8:35

know, it's just gonna be like scripts that never made it right.

8:39

And and trust me, you cannot sell those I'll

8:42

know. I'll see your ass and

8:45

you know, I think it's I think

8:47

what she did is different because

8:50

what she did was prey on these

8:53

people first, and

8:56

then once she realized that they

8:58

were kind of gold standard for skin ming, gave

9:01

the information to other people so that they could continue

9:03

to be scammed. Right. Uh.

9:05

And I know I come across as like a

9:08

high and mighty here, like, oh, don't do this. So

9:10

I'll be honest, though, if you want to know what's really going on

9:12

in my head right now, I'm fascinated by

9:14

the fact that she sold website

9:16

designed to people who didn't have computers, Like, how

9:18

does that conversation go? No, She's an

9:21

amazing saleswoman and honestly, I'd like to take a

9:23

course from her. This feels like a Jordan Bell for a situation

9:25

where people are like, well, you did

9:27

something shitty, but how do we make money?

9:30

Yeah, you know it's she's

9:32

a good saleswoman. I'm not, again not

9:34

condoning it, but I'm fascinated by it. Fascinated

9:38

fascinated. I mean that's like selling

9:40

milk at a hardware store. How did she do that? Alright,

9:45

So just moving on to the next story, speaking

9:47

of stealing from people

9:51

among her stole sixty dollar

9:53

role X Pistol whipped a

9:56

woman outside California Market. And

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look, of course it's an armed robber.

10:02

It's California, baby, We're

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a crime country now. So

10:06

there's the police are still searching for

10:09

two suspects who stole man sixt k gold

10:11

rolex and pistol whipped his female companion

10:13

outside a grocery store on Monday. K

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ABC TV captured the victims kneeling

10:18

behind their vehicle and a parking lot outside

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Ranch Market and Rolling Heights, which is near l

10:22

A on Saturday afternoon, and the woman

10:25

screaming during the frightening assault. Obviously

10:28

she's pistol whipped. The pair were set

10:30

upon as they loaded groceries

10:32

into their car. One of

10:34

the suspects, Pisto whipped the guy, knocking him

10:36

to the ground while robbing him of his luxury. We

10:38

watch the second attast attacker

10:41

then assaulted the woman with his weapon

10:43

and the suspects apparently we're wearing

10:46

black hoodies and gray sweatpants, so just

10:48

any boy in l A. And

10:50

they took off in a white dog challenger.

10:52

I just gotta say, don't park next to challengers.

10:55

Anyone who's got a Dodge challenger is looking

10:57

for trouble that car. The accelerator

10:59

goes too fast for normal people. It just you

11:02

put your foot on and it's a hundred miles per hour and

11:04

you were just at zero. So if you're partner

11:06

next to a challenger, just letting you know this could be your fault.

11:08

I'm not saying they were partners to a challenger. I'm just saying,

11:10

look out in the future, I think twice before you

11:12

part next to a challenger. That's our public safety

11:14

tip, thank you. And also, they had paper license

11:17

plates. I

11:19

just I like the idea of it being like a paper plate,

11:23

like a little an it. Well,

11:25

I'll give California this because not

11:27

too long ago we didn't have those. People would

11:29

just have a dealer sticker or whatever. There was no license

11:32

plate, and so people would not change their plates

11:34

forever, so it was impossible to track those

11:36

cars. Well, the other thing is that these

11:38

robbers were between twenty and thirty,

11:40

and they both had semi automatic guns.

11:44

Look, I just think we

11:49

I understand the right to bear arms.

11:51

However, I don't think any

11:53

civilian needs a semi automatic weapon. I'm

11:56

against guns, but I just say, how

11:59

are civilians and semi automatic weapons.

12:01

That leads me to believe that they're either involved

12:03

with the military, or involved

12:05

with a huge gang or

12:08

in some sort of like big crime. Right, I

12:10

mean, like, how do you get semi automatic guns?

12:13

I don't know, And like you said, there's no reason

12:16

to have those. But when you look back

12:18

and the fact that these guys just got pistol whipped,

12:20

which means they were hit with the gun, right, I

12:22

mean, this could have been way worse. Yeah,

12:26

I mean, look, I think

12:28

it's unfair to blame the people for wearing

12:32

a gold Rolex. You're allowed to be a human

12:34

being. Those things exist so that you can

12:36

wear them. You should be able to go into public

12:38

and not be assaulted and robbed. I

12:41

don't think it's his fault. It's not his

12:43

fault, but you if you're going, if you choose to

12:45

do that, you are putting yourself

12:47

more at risk than not. So

12:50

I'm not saying you're inviting it. I'm not saying that

12:52

you should. It's your fault investination, but

12:54

you have to be aware of the fact that if you're doing that,

12:56

you I am someone that's I feel

12:58

like I'm always alert on that alerted on

13:00

stuff from on high alert. I should say, I don't

13:03

know if it's from watching a bunch of stuff or reading stories

13:05

all the time. So I feel like I always know something. When

13:07

I walk into a restaurant, I scanned the

13:09

room and I'm like, Okay, that person is that or it's

13:11

not a it's not like a profile thing. But I'm just look around

13:13

to seat to know the situation.

13:16

And I feel like if I were to be wearing a six dollar

13:18

watch, which I would never do, I feel

13:21

like I would be constantly like looking around because

13:23

I would I would be on edge knowing

13:25

that this is out there flashing. Okay,

13:28

I'm gonna be honest. We recorded the second

13:30

half of this podcast first, and Dmitri

13:32

tells a personal story from his childhood and says

13:34

he doesn't have PTSD from it, but what he

13:37

just told me lets me know he definitely has

13:39

PTS. The

13:41

second I go anywhere, I look at all my surroundings

13:43

and look at everyone around me. That's not PTSD.

13:46

That's just being that's just being safe. That's

13:48

being careful. Like the more

13:50

alert you are, the less you'll be surprised

13:52

by something. Yeah, I mean, do

13:55

you think that there will be a decrease in sales

13:57

of luxury goods. I don't think there will be.

13:59

I just think people will probably wear their

14:01

luxury goods out less

14:04

frequently unless they're around other people who are also

14:06

doing the same thing, like at a high

14:08

end nightclub where their security or something where it's

14:11

like, why do you have those high end things? Because you

14:13

want to wear them out and be seen

14:15

with them, right, So it's very like

14:18

and I know there's people that lock them up and only

14:20

wear them on special occasions and I

14:22

don't know, to me, what's the point of having that,

14:24

Like it's not me to begin

14:26

with, this is not my style. But uh,

14:29

if you had that, like, do you want to hide it,

14:31

you want to only wear at certain times you want to? I

14:34

don't just I don't see the reward on that.

14:37

The downside is clear. We just talked

14:39

about it. Yeah,

14:41

I mean, I just got an expensive

14:44

item for the first time in my entire life

14:46

and it's

14:50

you. I'm

14:54

not, actually I am, And

14:57

I am treating it like a child, like

15:00

I put it back in its crib when we come home and

15:02

the crib has a lock on it. Yeah, because

15:06

that is what will happen to my baby. It will be locked in a

15:08

crib and not allowed to come out. Don't

15:10

just don't even put that on the recording. You can't do

15:12

that. What may I ask what this item

15:14

is? I don't want anyone to steal my baby?

15:17

Well no, but you can't lock them. There are froggers

15:20

around, Dmitri. What

15:22

is the what is this item that we've indulged ourselves

15:24

with. Um, it's a bag. I

15:26

got a nice bag when I was in Paris with Adam

15:30

and I've never owned a nice bag before,

15:32

so I'm never worried. So now when

15:35

I do go out, if I'm going to place that I think

15:37

will either a be dirty

15:39

or be like

15:42

if I'll have to put the bag down somewhere. Um,

15:45

I usually just bring my backpack instead.

15:49

Right, So, but do you feel like if

15:51

you when you take that bag out? Right, do you

15:53

feel like are you like, Okay, I'm holding

15:56

this expensive bag? And do you feel like people

15:58

are noticing it? Does it put you

16:00

on it? That's the that's the whole point of Maitri. But

16:06

I know, I know it's interesting because

16:08

I think the people who care, notice,

16:12

the people who recognize brand names, notice,

16:14

you know the other people who also have the notice, and then

16:17

I think people who are trying to take advantage of you also

16:19

notice it's a double edged sword. I mean, you

16:21

know, it's also like, why

16:23

do I care about people

16:25

noticing that I have a nice bag? Why do I

16:27

care to have a nice bag?

16:30

Let's into that. I mean, yeah,

16:33

I I just um, one

16:36

of our other producers just sent a chat that said,

16:38

Burke and baby like

16:41

I hear you. You know it's um. I

16:43

think women really enjoy bags

16:45

and shoes. And I don't mean that in a

16:47

derogatory way. I think it's like a like

16:50

almost it's almost like a fun self

16:53

worth thing to be like I love this designer

16:56

and there their luxury

16:58

items and I'm proud to wear um and I'm proud to

17:00

wrap this designer and it makes me feel

17:02

confident, makes me feel good, it makes me feel beautiful

17:04

and glamorous, and I enjoy all those things. You know,

17:07

I don't have any designer shoes. I'm working on

17:09

one step at the time, you guys, And

17:11

uh, I just have a bag. And also, um,

17:13

I got sent some jewelry that is

17:17

expensive. You know, those are those

17:19

orthopedic sneakers, you are those aren't designer

17:22

they're just general. Yeah, they weren't Balinciaga, if you

17:24

can believe that, And

17:26

um, I would send some nice jewelry. And I do think about

17:28

where I wear it. Well, you just

17:30

but you just that's fine for me. You

17:32

what you just said makes sense to me.

17:35

And I think that's a perfect reason. If it

17:37

makes you feel good about yourself and it makes you feel

17:39

you know, whatever, it is, accomplished, confident, whatever,

17:41

I think that's fine. But with

17:44

that comes the responsibility of being aware

17:46

of where you wear it and how you and how you

17:48

carry it, of course, and I think it's important

17:51

insurance on your unquote expensive things.

17:53

I mean, it's just like, why

17:55

would I need a house versus a one bedroom

17:57

apartment. I just want the space. I

18:00

have other rooms that I want, you know, I have

18:02

other I want to set up a studio and do this

18:04

and that. You know, It's like, why does anyone want

18:06

more? Why does anyone want something that's expensive?

18:09

You know, It's like why do you buy a certain

18:11

top because it is the right color for me? It makes

18:13

me feel good and confident when I walk

18:15

into your room. You know, some people you

18:17

walk into a room and you know, a plastic bag

18:19

people aren't gonna take it seriously. I think

18:22

the first impressions are a

18:24

lot of this business and a lot about life

18:26

too. Like you go on the first date, the first thing

18:28

you do is see someone and whether

18:30

or not they care about wealth

18:33

or items of wealth, they

18:36

do probably will care about aesthetic,

18:39

you know. I don't know that many people who go on the first

18:41

date having no clue what the

18:43

person looks like. There are very few blind dates,

18:45

you know. So it's like you go because you see their photos

18:47

and you think, oh, this person is attractive. It's the same thing with

18:49

anything else. Right. Well, I

18:51

will say, I just trying to make myself feel better by

18:53

the way, Yeah, I think, and it's fine. I think what you're

18:55

saying is totally fine. Um. But what I

18:57

will say, which I just dawned on me now and it's make

19:00

come across as a slight, but it's definitely not. The

19:02

difference is no. The difference is you're

19:05

single, right, you you're with you have a boyfriend,

19:07

but you don't have kids, right, And so I

19:10

don't fear me as a person like when

19:12

I was single, when I was just me going places,

19:14

I don't really fear much, right,

19:17

But when you have other people, especially

19:20

younger people that are that looked to you, and you now

19:22

you have to protect them. You become a little

19:24

So what I have warned something. I

19:26

would never have a six rocks. I

19:28

just don't think unless someone gave it to me would

19:30

I have warned that is something I need to tell

19:32

you. You've got me a gift. There's something

19:34

outside your Yeah, yeah, I

19:37

get um what I

19:39

have done more quote

19:42

unquote careless type of things or yeah, I

19:44

probably would have, but now I'm I'm less

19:46

open to it because there's other people. Then

19:49

I'm putting other people in danger. I

19:51

get that, and you know, to each

19:53

his own m it makes sense. But

19:56

when you have that baby locked in the crib, I think you'll think

19:58

differently as well. Well, busy, be able

20:00

to breathe. I just don't want anyone coming and taking

20:02

my baby a

20:04

mentally ill Okay, So moving on

20:06

to the theme of today, which is stealing

20:08

from our hot topics. American Airlines passenger

20:10

accused of stealing ten thousand dollars mid air

20:13

from fellow flyers. So

20:15

he did this during the trip from Buenos Aries

20:17

to Miami on Tuesday.

20:20

Diego Sebastian Radio I

20:23

feel like his last name is not pronounced

20:25

radio, but here we are. It

20:27

can't be but right,

20:30

could be radio radio. I don't know.

20:32

I wanted to roll my arm. Let me live. That's

20:35

why you have five hours on your TikTok. Yeah.

20:37

Leonmar allegedly

20:40

also stole more than fourteen thousand Argentine

20:42

pasos, which is about ten USD, and

20:44

two credit cards from two other passengers during the July

20:47

five flight. At least one flight attendant

20:49

noticed some suspicious activity midflight,

20:52

and, according to the affidavit signed

20:54

by a passenger, noticed that

20:56

radio initially paced the aisle of the

20:58

plane and then took an unassigned seat near one

21:00

of the victims. The crime

21:02

was discovered when a flighted and asked the passenger to

21:04

check her belongings and discover that several items

21:06

were missing. Uh

21:09

so he's now in custody

21:11

and he was arrested by Customs

21:13

and Border patrol and

21:16

after the missing items were found

21:18

in his possession, this is when he was arrested. Obviously.

21:21

I mean again, this goes into the same thing. Are

21:24

are you just like I

21:27

don't know, are you? Are you going to be

21:29

more mindful on flights about what sort of bags

21:32

you bring, like would you might maybe not bring a Louis Vuitton

21:34

luggage because someone's watching and could

21:36

steal. I haven't actually personally heard of people

21:38

stealing on flights before. You know why

21:41

because there's nowhere to go. So this guy is an idiot,

21:43

like he stole stuff. If

21:45

you're going to steal something on a plane, you

21:48

have nowhere to go. So if you're going to do it,

21:50

and it's not like I'm giving tips to these people, but this

21:52

is my opinion. If you're going to do it, take

21:55

something, Take something from the person

21:57

next to you, Take something for this. But the guy's

22:00

walking awkwardly up and down the aisle, sitting

22:02

in different seats, taking a bunch of stuff from

22:04

different people. That's just that's begging

22:06

to be caught. And you can't

22:08

get away. You're on a plane. No,

22:11

there's nowhere to go. I mean, there's literally nowhere to

22:13

run or hide. And this guy, I

22:15

mean, what did he I don't know what he thought.

22:17

I mean, he might have been on drugs, who knows. How do you think

22:19

you're gonna get away with that? But I

22:21

um, I think people do kind

22:23

of let their guards down when they're flying. You

22:26

know, they're either thinking about not dying and crashing,

22:28

or they're crying watching a movie, or

22:30

they're passed out trying to get a quick nap in

22:32

before they get off the plane. And

22:35

also because you just assumed that no one would do it,

22:37

because it's like, where are you going to go? You

22:40

cannot run from this crime. I mean, I'm

22:44

I don't know. I've had a lot of weird experiences

22:46

on airplanes, but it's all just been with annoying

22:48

people who have bothered

22:50

me. So I had to switch seats. Nothing to do with

22:53

someone's stealing from me. Yeah,

22:56

well, but you go ahead.

22:58

I'm listening this One time,

23:00

I um was flying to abisa

23:03

well and I

23:05

dropped my invisilne case on the floor.

23:08

I was just like a full on Mr Bean at this point,

23:11

just like look, look, look, look like everything

23:13

was falling out and the case

23:15

slid all the way to the front of the plane,

23:18

and the guy sitting in the front was a

23:20

very elderly man. He was reacting

23:22

like a spaceship like an alien craft

23:24

had. He was like what is this And

23:27

I was like, I'm so sorry, that's my invisible and

23:31

he took it out and put it in his mouth and yeah,

23:35

I'm like, they don't give you teeth, Um,

23:38

they just mold the ones you have. But

23:40

yeah, and then I had this rabbi once and next

23:42

to me after a traumatic time in

23:44

Panama City trying to get back to New York and all my

23:46

flights being canceled and the airport being shut

23:49

down and there being no food and water for over twenty four

23:51

hours, and I didn't speak Spanish. This

23:53

rabbi was like, oh, you should have

23:55

children by now. You shouldn't be an artist.

23:57

And I was like, I have to move this seat. This

24:00

was the most traumatic part of that that I'd

24:03

rather have my wallet stolen than have to like

24:05

listen to someone tell me what I should be doing with my

24:07

life. And I'm like, you're a man of the Lord, you

24:09

know, yeah, just leave

24:11

me alone anyway. Um

24:14

So, Dmitri, do you have any worse

24:16

experiences on a flight? No?

24:19

Mine are always just you know, an annoyances.

24:21

I've never had something, um, super

24:24

bad happened on a flight. Um

24:26

So no, I've never been you know, nothing where

24:29

like It's it's more like people get angry,

24:31

you know, or people start yelling or something like that at me. But

24:33

people start yelling and then it's just kind of like the flight

24:35

attendant. Like, I've been on a couple of things where they had

24:37

to like take them off before the flight left, but nothing

24:39

outrageous. I've never been on anything with with

24:41

punches thrown or anything, thank

24:43

you know, thank goodness, anything too bad. But it's

24:46

you know, it's a you're you're in an enclosed

24:49

tube and you're in there for a long

24:51

period of time, and people's personalities come out

24:53

in different ways, so there's there's always the possibility

24:55

of something. My favorite thing that happened

24:57

to me recently was there

25:00

was a girl who her her

25:02

ticket kept beeping red and

25:05

she was yelling at the flight attendant.

25:07

There's this huge line behind her trying

25:09

to get onto the plane. Everyone's trying to get on the plane. She

25:11

was like, scan it again, scan it

25:13

again. I just changed the ticket.

25:15

This is like, please scan it again. That's

25:18

my seat number. And she just had

25:20

the completely wrong flight. And

25:23

when she walked away, I

25:25

thought everyone was going to start applying because it was she

25:27

was. I mean, the amount

25:29

of self righteousness was unbelievable. I was

25:31

like that saw that coming from mile away.

25:33

Yeah. And by the way, be gracious about

25:36

it, like, just even if

25:38

that was the right, it's hilarious that it was a wrong

25:40

flight. People

25:43

don't want to help you when you're being an ass. I've

25:46

learned this, and I'm so glad

25:48

she wasn't on my flight. I

25:50

was like, if this is how she is now, But then, to be

25:52

fair, I probably would have also been her if

25:54

I was very sure it was like scan

25:57

it again. Anyway, you

25:59

guys, let's take a quick break before we bring

26:01

on our amazing guest for today and talk about

26:03

Frogging, which you're not gonna want to miss because

26:06

it is absolutely terrified. I

26:08

give it a ten out of ten. Cringe. All

26:11

right, we'll be right back and

26:24

we're back to real time crime. You

26:27

guys. I'm very excited about

26:29

our guest and equally as excited

26:31

to talk about the show that she is

26:33

an ep on and dear

26:36

God, Dmitri, I don't know if you watched

26:39

the first episode. You know we get

26:41

privilege information sometimes lucky us. Well

26:45

I know, I know. Yeah,

26:48

that's my parents said. Um

26:51

and and the whole show is

26:54

called frogging Hyder

26:56

in my house. Think about

26:59

that. You already have a picture

27:01

the picture in your head is correct. The show is going

27:03

to premiere Monday, n Central.

27:05

So everyone, we have with us here our

27:08

special guests today. Jessica ever

27:10

left, Hi Jessica. Hi.

27:13

With you guys so incredible, haven't

27:16

you here with us today? I

27:18

watched the first episode and we already

27:20

told our listeners were spoiled. We got an early copy,

27:23

and I'm blown away and disturbed

27:25

and terrified and now thinking that someone is

27:27

living in my walls. I mean, everybody's

27:30

going to think that right after they watched the show.

27:32

It's incredible and there

27:35

each one of them could be their own horror movie. These

27:37

are stranger than fiction stories.

27:40

Um, each one could be, like I said, its own

27:42

movie. I just thought. My thought was,

27:44

these are all going to be made into separate Netflix

27:47

movies. Absolutely definitely.

27:50

Each story is almost as

27:52

unbelievable as the next. Agree

27:56

and sorry to me, trade go for it. No, what

27:58

I was gonna say is I have a problem. I can a news

28:00

article and think, oh, well, that's weird. So I did

28:02

see one recently about someone that was living in

28:04

someone's attic, and I thought that's weird, but probably

28:07

just you know, on anomaly or something. And

28:09

then this show comes and you know, see the trailer

28:12

and I see the first episode and I'm like, crap, this is

28:14

something that happens a lot. So

28:17

so I went from being able to dismiss it to now

28:19

being terrified and like every little noise I here

28:21

in the house, I'm like, Okay, well, I got a whole community

28:23

up there. That's great. Yeah, exactly,

28:25

It's more common than you think. And when we

28:28

dug into our research, we found two cases

28:31

immediately immediately,

28:33

which means that there are so many. Yeah,

28:36

and there's two stories per hour in frogging,

28:39

so there's twenty stories and they're just

28:41

they're just wild. Okay.

28:45

So first of all, I don't do well. I

28:47

know we have a true gram podcast, but

28:50

historically I don't do well

28:52

with horror. Anything that seems like a psychological

28:54

thriller really disturbs

28:57

me. And I

29:00

did not sleep well last night. I do blame you.

29:06

There is a monster under the bed. Now I'm convinced.

29:08

Now I'm checking every closet door, I'm checking

29:10

every nook and cranny of my house every time

29:12

I walk in. I mean, that's what will

29:15

happen to everyone once they start watching the show.

29:17

Absolutely, they're gonna have to check their crawl

29:19

spaces, their addicts behind

29:22

any kind of false walls that they have ums.

29:26

I would prefer a monster or a ghost

29:29

as opposed to a real person in my

29:31

wall or in my attic. Bunny,

29:33

you mentioned ghosts. Most people believe that

29:35

they had a ghost in their house before they jumped

29:38

to the conclusion they had an intruder. That's what was

29:40

really funny, because it kind of starts off slowly,

29:43

where things disappear or they move,

29:45

they disappear, then reappear somewhere else. Um

29:48

food starts to disappear, and they hear footsteps,

29:52

maybe some kind of like disembody voice that's

29:54

really just a faint voice they're hearing from another

29:56

room, and they think they have a ghost in

29:58

the house. I would until they

30:01

you know, I would. I would rather have a pastor

30:04

come into my house and perform an exorcism.

30:06

And I'm Jewish than for there

30:08

to be an actual human hiding

30:10

in my walls. And and Jessica, just to

30:12

the listeners have a better understanding

30:15

in your own words, can you describe what frogging

30:17

is Frogging

30:20

is My understanding is when it's not squatting,

30:22

it's when someone is living in your house at

30:24

the same time, unbeknown

30:26

for you. So it's kind of like the movie Parasite

30:28

where the family was living in the basement at the

30:30

same time as the other family that's

30:32

frogging. And sometimes

30:35

the house is the targets

30:37

of the frogging, or it's the person.

30:40

So when it's the person, it's really more of

30:42

a stalking frogger situation, which

30:44

is even more scary. There

30:47

was that image that I saw of someone removing

30:50

like the electrical outlet and just you see

30:52

eyes peering through it. So

30:54

what do you what is the what do you find is the most

30:57

common reason? Is it that they just need a place to

30:59

live or is it that they're doing creepy

31:02

pervy stuff. Um,

31:05

I would say most of the time it's creepy stuff.

31:08

Occasionally it's somebody just needed someplace

31:10

to live for free and see

31:12

it. But there are a lot of stalking

31:15

cases, so yeah, they

31:17

want to spy. Or there's a neighbor who

31:19

now is fixated on the person

31:22

living in a nearby apartment and

31:24

they they're like a peeping tom, you know.

31:26

But now they're frogging. They're living above their

31:28

space. So we've had a few of

31:30

those as well. So it's it's very

31:32

scary, especially for a woman who lives alone. You

31:34

know, I would imagine. Yeah,

31:37

I'm sorry. Are there

31:39

any cases where the

31:42

frogger was allowed to claim squatters

31:44

rights? No, The people

31:47

who were caught were arrested in various

31:49

charges breaking

31:51

an enter room, stalking, um

31:54

some assault charges. Yeah,

31:56

so it was it's a serious prime it's not it's not

31:58

swatting, Okay, And I just

32:01

want to take it back for two seconds

32:03

and just talk about you for a second. Your career

32:05

is so well rounded and it seems

32:07

super eclectic. You know, you've worked on some iconic

32:09

shows, but it seems like true

32:12

crime has always been a passion of yours.

32:14

I guess I'm just curious to know what you love about true

32:16

crime. Um

32:19

Let started off in documentaries and music,

32:21

and I moved

32:23

to l a twenty years ago, and then my first

32:25

job was working on a true crime show with

32:28

a famous blood spatter expert,

32:30

Dr Henry Lee. So I think that's what kind of

32:32

launched my career in true crime. So

32:35

that's that's just been my lane crime

32:37

investigation documentaries and

32:40

and also I hate to bring this up, but we do

32:42

know you worked on the r Kelly documentary and

32:46

just so curious to know your thoughts now

32:48

that the ruling has come to light. Yeah,

32:51

I mean, I'm real. I'm glad the women, Um,

32:54

you know, we're heard and there's been justice.

32:56

He is facing another trial. I think it's going to be

32:58

televised to so there's one coming

33:00

up in August, so it's gonna be

33:02

interesting to see what happens. But I mean, I'm

33:05

just I'm still blown away at the impact

33:07

the documentary have and you know, it's a very

33:09

Um, it was one of the most

33:12

difficult things I've ever worked on with one of the most

33:14

important projects, if not

33:16

the most important. I mean, you

33:18

you brought justice to survivors. That

33:21

was the goal, and I'm really

33:23

glad. You know, I'm happy for them.

33:27

Do you think that he deserved more than thirty years?

33:30

Um? You know, it's it's

33:33

interesting because I think giz Lane Maxwell

33:35

was sentenced the same week and people were talking

33:38

about that that she got twenty years and Artilly

33:40

got thirty. So you know, I wasn't

33:43

at the trial. I don't know.

33:45

Um, I just know that the women

33:48

needed to be protected and there's

33:50

he's facing a lot more. Um.

33:52

You know, in terms of this trial coming up in Chicago.

33:55

Wow. Yeah, well, thank you for

33:57

sending some light on that. I mean, we've all

33:59

been following in that story now obviously

34:01

for a long time. M And

34:04

okay, So moving on from R Kelly. Unless

34:08

a cat scream like of course, was

34:10

around a zoom when you work at home, you

34:12

have a daughter cab so he does enter, so at

34:14

least you know what the at least you know what the noises

34:17

is not coming from the wall, not the frog,

34:20

not this time, thank god. Okay, So

34:23

with frogging, how did this idea

34:25

come to you and how

34:29

did you even begin to find

34:32

people who had been accosted

34:34

by progress? Well, the

34:37

company came to me with the project. They

34:39

had developed it for some time and lifetimes

34:42

excited about it. So having worked for lifetime in the

34:44

past on surviving R. Kelly, um, they

34:46

told me about the project. It sounded really interesting

34:49

that it was non murder crime

34:51

to work on. So that was nice

34:53

and nice reprieve from working on a lot

34:55

of you know, other shows

34:58

that are more you know that are hard work on

35:00

terms of victim impact. But surprisingly

35:03

these victims were all super traumatized.

35:05

So here he is it's making appearance. Um,

35:08

these victims have residual trauma. They

35:12

don't feel safe in their own home and

35:15

UM. So yeah.

35:18

And would you say that

35:20

there have been any shows that you've worked

35:22

on, including this one, that have left you traumatized?

35:27

Well, I think Surviving

35:30

R. Kelly did because

35:32

it was just so intense and there were, you know,

35:35

constant threats going on. Um.

35:38

I think it was in the papers that you know,

35:40

there was a gun threat phoned in,

35:42

UM to screening in New York.

35:44

So it was just you know, that was all in the newspapers.

35:47

It was in a Rolling Stone and several newspapers,

35:49

so that was really intense. But I mean

35:52

I'm always I always feel for the

35:54

victims. When I worked on a crime show, I don't just a

35:56

job. It's like I have to feel I

35:58

want, I feel connected to people, um,

36:01

you know, who want to tell their stories. So

36:03

UM, and then I actually keep in touch with people

36:05

afterwards. That's

36:08

so nice. We haven't

36:10

done that, you know. I

36:12

mean, I haven't kept in touch with anyone in

36:14

the last twenty years. I only know Dmitri but

36:17

Jessica. Okay, so there were ten episodes and every

36:19

episode is two stories. Do they increase

36:22

in intensity or is every episode

36:24

just banger so terrifying.

36:27

Yeah, I think the first two stories are the scariest,

36:30

but then the last few stories

36:32

are also very very scary. So the

36:35

first and the second ones, um could

36:38

easily sustain an entire you

36:40

know, to our feature film. They're

36:42

that bad. Could

36:45

you give us a brief synopsis of the one that scared

36:47

you the most? Well,

36:51

the first The first one is you know, um secret

36:53

surgeon. Um that that story

36:56

was very intense, and the family came home,

36:59

Um, they were on big pation. They confronted

37:01

the frogger at the front door, but only

37:03

after he was hauled away and arrested. They found

37:05

out that he had been watching them for

37:07

weeks and he had planned on performing

37:10

surgeries on them, and they found knives

37:12

and other things in the house. The second

37:14

episode is also very scary because

37:17

the frogger was stalking and terrorizing

37:19

the family for months.

37:22

He was pretending to be the ghost of

37:25

one of the women's dead mother. So

37:28

that's very intense. So yeah,

37:31

it was pretty so the frogger was pretending to be a ghost.

37:33

Um was only caught later and then after

37:36

that person got out of prison went

37:38

on to kill people, so they

37:40

were lucky to be alive. Yes,

37:44

yeah, and how did they catch him? Finally

37:46

again, they saw him

37:49

in the house. They had left the house when they heard noises,

37:51

They confronted the frogger, they left, they came

37:53

back with the police and then the police who got

37:55

him out of no. No, I mean after he committed the murders,

37:59

there was a mad hunt. Oh I

38:01

am

38:03

wow. Yeah. So is there a common

38:06

through line of severe mental illness and

38:08

a lot of the froggers Well,

38:11

I used to referring to the first episode

38:13

that you watched, I

38:16

would say that one

38:19

was little I think an anomaly because

38:21

he was it was a random He had

38:23

fixated on the homeowners, but he didn't know

38:25

them before. Where's the second episode

38:28

I'm referring to. There was a relationship

38:30

with the people who lived in the house. So the

38:33

frogger was really a stalker. So when

38:35

it's random, it's it's I guess,

38:37

not as scary. But even still, after the frogger

38:40

is caught, people do do not feel safe

38:42

in their home. No,

38:44

I mean, I remember, I

38:46

don't want to give anything away, but watching the

38:49

first story and seeing that there were

38:51

notes left about

38:53

like you know, start planting

38:56

equipment and and you

38:59

know in cameras and this of stuff and all these notes.

39:01

And it's interesting because it's like, at what point do

39:03

you think that they want to get caught or

39:06

do you think that they're maybe

39:08

in this case in specific, he was just so delusional

39:11

that he wasn't even thinking like

39:13

that. I think

39:15

he was delusional. But I think they're also very

39:18

lucky they came home and confronted him.

39:20

So had they not, he could have just slipped

39:22

back up into the attic and killed them in their

39:24

sleep. And they were they were completely

39:26

vulnerable to him because he had been there for a while

39:31

and he knew about their private

39:33

life. And yeah, and he knew

39:35

that he knew their routine when they when they

39:37

that's usually when people, you know, find the

39:40

frauders, when they break through rougine and

39:42

come home early or their schedule changes,

39:44

and so you'll you'll see a lot of that in the story,

39:47

when somebody comes someone from work early and they break the

39:49

routine, they find the frauder. I'm cringing.

39:51

So that's the article I had. I had read was

39:54

somebody I think was living in the attic for a while, and

39:56

what he would do is he'd come down in

39:58

the middle of the night and he just sit there and why true

40:00

sleep and like video

40:02

as well. And it's like, I

40:04

mean, but there's some there's some weird stuff like

40:06

we're thinking, okay, people who are like, oh, I don't have a big

40:08

addic it ken't. But but they really there's there's

40:11

some crafty ways that they live

40:13

inside these houses, isn't it. Yeah. They can

40:15

just kind of slip in and then hide in the closet

40:17

and then slip back out. So it's

40:20

not like they're just living in the closet. Seven

40:22

are living in the crawl space. Seven

40:24

they get out, they can come and go and then they slip

40:26

back and when they know the homeowners routine

40:29

and then they watch them. They watch them through

40:31

air events. They drill holes and walls, they

40:33

remove electrical plates. Those

40:35

are the ones. Those are the stocking stories again,

40:38

but the ones that are just kind of there because

40:40

they want place to sleep. Um,

40:45

yeah, in general, they don't do

40:47

that. The good news is for me is

40:49

none of my neighbors want anything to do with me, so I

40:51

feel pretty safe. See I am

40:53

the opposite problem where it's like my ex boyfriend

40:55

is hiding behind electrical stock. I'm like, fine, we

40:58

can live together, but

41:00

you put them there, so it's different. It's different,

41:02

and it's different. Um. But okay,

41:04

So you know the thing that's so terrifying about

41:06

this is that this seems like one of those things that

41:08

the police wouldn't take seriously. Do you find

41:11

that that happens? That homeowners

41:13

would go to the police and report that

41:15

they felt like someone was in their house, and then they were

41:17

taken seriously or not taken seriously, and

41:19

they do a search and they can't find anything, and then

41:22

they're called back. You'll see

41:24

that on multiple stories. And that's really not the

41:26

police's fault. I mean, they've they've done their

41:28

best. They looked in every room,

41:30

um, and you know, the frog are just slips

41:33

out or there. They found a great hiding spot

41:35

and can remain undetected. And

41:40

no one would think to look in an air event well

41:43

not really hiding in an air vent. They're looking through

41:45

an air event location.

41:49

They need more room to stretch out. This

41:52

is good. This is good though for people that,

41:54

um that thought that they were safe. We've

41:56

now added another level to something

41:59

that your mind didn't quite explore. So make sure you

42:01

watch this show alone and at night

42:04

in the pure darkness, check everything

42:07

before you just sorry what

42:09

you think is alone, but maybe not. Another

42:13

interesting thing that

42:15

you know, ring cameras and surveillance cameras

42:17

they catch frauders too, So

42:20

people find out they have a frauder because you know those

42:22

you know, those images end up going to somebody's

42:24

phone and then they're alerted, you know, at

42:27

work. So those are pretty good at catching

42:29

froggers. So I haven't recommend those.

42:31

That's so interesting because if I

42:34

was a frogger and I saw a ring light, I would assume

42:36

that they could see me or

42:39

least plant them. Yeah.

42:41

No, it's it's interesting. I mean, especially

42:44

in the first one where things are getting picked

42:46

up and it's like, wouldn't you want to put things back

42:48

exactly where they were? Right?

42:52

You know. I think it's interesting that it's

42:55

clear that something is off and

42:58

they're not really putting in a lot of effort to

43:00

make it feel like no one is there. But it's

43:02

probably a psychological thrill for them,

43:04

right, because I mean, if you're going to sit

43:06

there and watch someone, right, you want to see them kind

43:08

of scared themselves or react to stuff

43:11

and not thinking that you're there watching them. Maybe

43:13

the same thing as setting up a camera and watching people's

43:15

reactions to stuff. So

43:18

yeah, they probably do leave it not

43:20

exactly the same for that reason. Well,

43:22

dmitri as the frogging expert, Well

43:26

just right though, I mean people, Yeah, there are

43:28

some really sinister froggers

43:31

that want to instill terror into

43:33

some of these homeowners, and so they enjoy watching

43:35

them being frightened. This

43:38

is so absolutely terrifying to me,

43:40

kind of like we're enjoying watching be frightened

43:42

right now. I'm so uncomfortable.

43:44

I'm so uncomfortable. I'm literally sitting

43:47

here just thinking about all my cabinets. I'm like do

43:49

I need I'm I'm like, do I need to get a ring light?

43:52

Right now? What would you suggest to people to defend

43:54

themselves against froggers or

43:57

what to do if they suspect they have a

43:59

frogger should probably just leave and

44:01

and call the police that they really think there's somebody

44:03

there, especially if they see evidence that somebody's

44:05

been in their home. Um, if they

44:08

have tried that, and then I would say

44:10

get yea plants surveillance cameras all over

44:12

the house, and

44:15

I would venture to say that there's

44:18

enough crazy in the world. There's enough crazy

44:20

people in the world. Don't just turn

44:22

back to yourself and be like, I'm imagining this, I'm

44:24

crazy. Check it out first, and then like,

44:27

don't just put it on yourself and be like, oh, this

44:29

is me, I'm crazy. No, there could be someone

44:31

doing crazy stuff, and don't sell

44:33

them short unless it's me, in which case I

44:36

probably am just crazy. That

44:38

I think is a nice combo. It's a nicet. It's

44:40

like a surfing turf, exactly,

44:43

exactly. Okay, So, um,

44:45

when when you were talking to the victims, was

44:48

there anything that stood out to you about,

44:53

um, how they felt or how they

44:55

was there anything like a common through line

44:57

or um action that

45:00

they all took, or

45:02

any sort of like big fights they got into families

45:05

with or anything like that, Because when someone else

45:07

doesn't believe you, it seems like

45:09

that could really create tension to the point

45:11

of divorce. Yeah.

45:13

I mean some people think that they're just under

45:15

stressed, especially they live with another person,

45:18

and or they think that, like I said, they think

45:20

they have a ghost in the house. Um

45:23

there. Yeah, it does create a lot of tension when one

45:25

person is experiencing the broady and

45:27

the other person isn't so.

45:29

Um, but I think, you know, finally, you know, like

45:32

when he was watching in the first episode, Um,

45:34

the roommates, when they found the man's handprints

45:37

in the bathroom, that was enough. They all

45:39

they all got it. But they again, they thought

45:42

they had a ghost in the house too. I

45:46

think this is the most uncomfortable I've ever been on this

45:48

podcast. Yeah,

45:53

it is, it is. It's it's quite creepy. And

45:55

luckily, I mean for me, I'm the type of person that likes

45:57

to prove something. So if my wife was like,

46:00

there's somebody living here, I wouldn't be the person

46:02

that would go up in the attic and I would check everyth Now, see there's

46:04

not just so I could say, you see, there's not nothing to worry

46:06

about. But when I was little, I found out years

46:08

later we had somebody that

46:10

was like, I don't know it was a runaway or somebody

46:13

that that basically had broken into our basement

46:15

for a while and had been staying there. But I think

46:17

it was like I think our next door neighbor

46:19

like knew them and was like, oh, you can get

46:21

in there, and basically, so we offered up our basement.

46:25

Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize this till years later

46:27

my sister told me. But so it was permission,

46:31

well kind of by

46:33

someone that didn't wasn't able to grant

46:35

permission. But yes, and

46:37

I used to go down to that basement by myself all the

46:39

time. I was when I found this out as an adult,

46:41

I was like, what the

46:44

therapy about this? Reach? No, this

46:46

is it. I didn't want to bother the therapist or

46:48

you know, but the insurance as a hassle.

46:50

They want to see the card and so I just

46:52

forgot to bring it up at some point on this podcast.

46:54

Wow, this is the perfect time. Thank you so much.

46:57

Okay, Also, let me just say, um,

47:00

Dmitri, I actually can't believe you've never

47:02

brought this up before. Well yeah, I

47:04

think I think it was suppressing

47:07

it until it just was like, oh, wait a minute, somebody

47:09

living in the basement. I don't know how long it

47:11

was for, but any even

47:13

a minute too long for me. I mean, now,

47:15

when you go into your basement, do you feel like you have PTSD?

47:18

I would, uh,

47:21

I don't know. I don't worry about stuff like that now. Um,

47:24

but I think it was more of like when I found out

47:26

and I thought about childhood, me like

47:29

that that scared the crap out of me. But now I'm

47:31

just like whatever, all go

47:33

down and check it out. God, what's it like to be well

47:36

adjusted? Yeah?

47:39

Exactly? Well okay, So

47:42

so Jessica, You've also done

47:44

a lot of lighthearted lifestyle shows

47:46

like house Hunter's you

47:48

know, what do you feel like? Is more satisfying

47:51

for you as a producer. I

47:54

mean, I love that it's funny because you guys

47:56

work on crime show. I work on

47:58

crime shows. I like to do compressed and watch a

48:00

lot of like home renault shows at night.

48:03

I don't want to come home and watch more crime because

48:05

I've been dealing with it all days. So, um,

48:08

those are those are just fun and lighthearted shows.

48:10

I really like him. But I mean I love the challenge

48:12

of documentaries and true

48:14

crime is interesting. Um, also

48:16

investigations like even Catfish.

48:19

I worked on Catfish that was an investigation,

48:21

but it's a love story first and a mystery

48:24

second. So those shows are fun, even though

48:26

it's more of a lighthearted investigation show.

48:29

But I would say anything that creates an impact, that's

48:31

my favorite thing to work on. Was there

48:33

any episode of Catfish that really stuck out

48:35

to you? Uh,

48:38

there's one where the

48:42

Catfish Portunity. He was a big music producer,

48:46

and you

48:50

have to be more specific that

48:53

that one stood out in my mind. But I worked on a spinoff

48:56

show called Untold Stories. To these

48:58

were like past tense stories, not to investigations,

49:01

where people tell their wildest catfish stories

49:03

that they fell in love with somebody and it was like, you

49:06

know, somebody already knew who didn't like them. They

49:08

didn't like them back, crazy stuff.

49:10

So people

49:13

are so bizarre. Okay,

49:15

of all the projects you've worked on, has

49:18

there anything that's really stayed with you or

49:21

haunted you, so to speak, or something that's

49:23

really left an impact. Well,

49:26

I'm probably surviving r Kelly just because

49:28

of the women went through. Yeah,

49:31

that stayed with me. Wow.

49:34

Okay, Well, Jessica, I don't want to take a couple

49:36

of your time today. So unless

49:38

Dmitri has any other questions, I

49:41

think I'm sufficiently freaked

49:43

out. Just I don't think we ever explained

49:45

it frog the name frogging because

49:47

it's with a pH, right, So

49:50

also when you're looking it up, don't put in uh,

49:52

you know, don't put it f R. It's pH But where

49:55

does that come from? Like

49:57

a frog that leaps from place to place? So somebody

49:59

who's like just moving around undetected

50:02

that they spelled it within pH

50:05

rock the animal, so people

50:07

didn't think they were looking up at a frog documentary. Good

50:09

than exactly exactly.

50:13

Yeah, So just make sure you check your crawl spaces

50:16

and your addicts immediately

50:19

following the podcast. Absolutely.

50:21

Now I'm gonna go find crawl spaces in my house,

50:24

but I can't wait. So you guys, just

50:26

to be sure you've heard this before, but we're

50:28

going to say it again. The show premieres Monday,

50:31

July eighth at ten ninth Central

50:33

and also streams the next day. It's on Lifetime and

50:35

it's called Frogging with a pH Hider

50:38

in My House And Jessica, thank

50:40

you so much for being with us today. I really

50:42

appreciate it. All right, thanks guys, thank

50:44

you. I mean,

50:59

just in case you wanted to be freaked out. There's

51:01

sometimes we can talk about something on this show, on

51:03

this podcast and and we're fine. You can walk away

51:05

from it like, well that was a good conversation, but now

51:07

this is gonna stick with you for a while, isn't it. I'm

51:10

so uncomfortable to Metrie. I

51:12

don't know, like

51:16

the story of the boy that hides inside the walls

51:18

of the family home, terrorizing the teenage girls

51:20

for months. It's it's

51:23

so interesting because in my

51:25

head, I'm like, this isn't a game, this

51:28

isn't funny. These are people's

51:31

real lives. If this was happening to me, I would

51:33

be going absolutely batch. I mean,

51:35

you know me, well, yeah, I mean you're you're

51:37

kind of heading that way anyway. But imagine

51:39

all these times when you're saying, you know, here at the podcast,

51:41

we get screeners first, and we have the privilege

51:44

so we're the only ones to get to see them. But now you realize

51:46

someone could be watching along with you. And

51:49

that's our episode for today. Everyone, Um,

51:51

thank you so much. I will be hosting this podcast alone

51:54

next week, but I'll

51:56

think I'll be alone, but to Meetrill just be in the air vent

51:58

behind me. But this is this has

52:00

been never again, Dmitri. This has been never

52:02

again, Dmitri. And also, I

52:05

cannot believe you hoarded that story

52:07

until just now. Honestly, I forgot about

52:09

it so much, so much trauma trauma.

52:13

I had to dig it up because you know what, I think,

52:17

had that happened and had I realized it

52:19

then, right, had I gone down to the basement and

52:21

been and confronted somebody down there, it

52:23

would have been a different story than finding out about

52:25

it when I didn't. We didn't even own the house anymore like

52:27

it was when I was a little kid, and then I found

52:29

out as an adult, So that kind of it

52:32

kind of made it a little less not a little less

52:34

real, but it wasn't as traumatic probably,

52:36

so see. I feel like for me now

52:39

as an adult, if I ever had a basement, I would just constantly

52:41

think someone was living down there. Yeah. Well,

52:43

and especially the way house is settled, like I have an

52:46

attic and sometimes I'll hear noises and

52:48

it's like, oh that it's so weird

52:50

because sometimes it settles and it sounds like a footstep,

52:52

but it's not. I've been up there. There's no way up there except through

52:55

the house, and I've been up there.

52:58

You guys, would you comment on real time crime hood

53:00

posts or d ms on Instagram

53:02

and let us know if you're now checking every nook and cranny

53:04

of your house and if you're terrified.

53:07

And also if

53:10

anything like this has ever happened to you, I

53:13

don't want to know, but Dmitri does because he's starting a support

53:15

group. Yeah, I'll wat

53:17

through him and I'll share the ones that I think you can handle, So

53:20

none of them. And if you find somebody, obviously,

53:23

feel free to call the police first, then reach out

53:25

to most after. Please call the police first,

53:27

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53:29

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53:33

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53:37

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53:54

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53:56

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53:58

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54:00

up. Alright,

54:04

guys, this has been a very manic episode of real

54:06

time crime. We'll see you next week. Stay safe, check

54:08

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54:10

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54:13

real time gro I

54:17

mean, is it actually real time crime? I'm solving

54:19

anything or is that just the thing we say, it's a thing, we

54:21

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54:23

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