0:01

Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike

0:03

Blavant. Tony's off for a third

0:05

straight show. Never fear.

0:08

Phil and Frank is here in the

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building. No fear. We got

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no fear. No fear whatsoever.

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If you wear sunglasses, I'm

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wearing sunglasses. Actually, you stole

0:19

the idea from me. And

0:21

I don't have any sunglasses on. You look good.

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The black eye is diminished. You

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know, thanks for Nessa. The black

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eye is diminished. We rock and

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roll. As always, you look like a million bucks.

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To a glass less PTI. Tony

0:36

wanted one more day at the beauty spa, so I

0:38

am happy to be joined once more by our great

0:41

friend, Phil and Frank Isolla. Have

0:46

guests in here, Phil. Cheers are getting

0:48

a little louder on Tuesday. We

0:50

will start with the champs being

0:52

on the ropes. The Denver

0:54

Nuggets are the O2 hole after

0:56

the Timberwolves smothered them, beat

0:59

them by 26 in Denver last

1:01

night. Anthony Edwards and Carl Anthony

1:03

Towns each had 27 points to lead

1:05

Minnesota, while Nicole Yokish finished with

1:08

just 16 points, 5 for

1:10

13 shooting. Frank,

1:12

do you see any way with

1:14

the series moving to Minneapolis

1:17

for the Nuggets to get back in this thing? You

1:19

know what? I know the defending

1:21

champs, Mike. I don't see it. They used

1:23

words last night. We got punked, manhandled.

1:26

Let me also add out

1:28

muscled, outclassed in this game.

1:30

The Denver Nuggets, this

1:32

game fell apart in that second quarter, 33 to 15. And

1:35

if Jamal Murray, who's clearly limited, is

1:38

gonna play like this, they really have no

1:40

chance. And they won a game last night.

1:42

They were great defensively, Mike. And Rudy Gopear

1:44

was with his newborn child. He wasn't

1:47

even there. The guy that's probably gonna be the

1:49

defensive player of the year, so I'm losing

1:51

a lot of faith in Denver. I'll say something else about

1:53

the Nuggets. I give Mark Davis, the

1:55

referee, a lot of credit from this standpoint. Michael

1:57

Malone was trying to get kicked out of that game. And

2:00

as if Mark Davis said, no, no, no, you're going to

2:02

stick around and suffer. And then how about what Jamal Murray

2:04

did? He should have been kicked out of the game. Mike,

2:06

maybe he wanted no part of the game. You're

2:09

doing that in the second quarter. Well, there have

2:11

been players all throughout the course of the NBA

2:13

that have been frustrated during a game. You do

2:15

something like that. Jamal Murray knows the rules. That

2:17

was outrageous what he did. He actually should be

2:19

suspended for what he did. Frank,

2:22

you know what? And my first reaction

2:24

is he should be suspended too. Listen to

2:26

Richard Jefferson, who had probably a

2:29

reaction closer to what's going to happen, which

2:32

is going to be a huge fine

2:34

reprimand, all those things. Because it doesn't seem

2:36

like the commissioner's office really has the stomach

2:39

for taking on players in a way that some of us would like

2:41

to see. But Jamal Murray's reaction

2:43

said everything. They had

2:46

no real legitimate response, no

2:48

athletic, no competitive response. The

2:50

Denver Nuggets didn't. The

2:53

champions and all of a sudden

2:55

they are being crushed. That

2:57

is Frank. I'm going to say something now. You know, I

2:59

am not a prisoner of the moment, but

3:01

that defense, that swarming Minnesota defense

3:04

without Rudy Gobert is,

3:06

I think the greatest defensive effort

3:08

performance I've seen against the agent

3:10

team since the Johnny

3:12

Bock Bulls of Jordan

3:15

Pippen, Harper Rodman, or

3:17

Jordan Pippen, Grant, you know, whoever was.

3:21

I'm serious about this. They

3:23

had no shot. They have

3:25

no shot. There's no solving it. I

3:27

heard somebody say today, well, their best

3:29

players have to come to play. What?

3:33

Their best players came to play last night and

3:36

they got stomped out, choked

3:38

out and they know it. And

3:41

that's why Jamal Murray did that. And

3:43

Michael Malone went after Mark Davis. Mark

3:45

Davis said Ignatius own, very proud of

3:47

him because he could have thrown Michael

3:49

Malone out. And he said,

3:51

no, stay here and see your

3:54

team get snuffed

3:56

out. And I Look,

3:58

it's shocking. Minnesota is. Goodbye.

4:01

They. Are. I. Mean, I don't. I

4:03

don't. I. Don't see different climate back

4:05

in this thing at all. he has you use

4:07

the word crush. That's what it felt like. It

4:09

felt like they absolutely crush their will last night.

4:11

I mean that that was it. Also look like

4:13

a team on the last days of a dynasty

4:16

and we know that the Denver Nuggets for saw

4:18

the series isn't over yet and the Denver Nuggets

4:20

will be back. They're gonna have to retool. We're

4:22

going to improve their bench a little bit but

4:24

it's how to had that Fields would like an

4:26

ending. Our Zulus you know there is only been

4:28

five teams that mb history of come back and

4:30

win a seven game series where they lose the

4:33

first two games at home. It doesn't happen

4:35

all the time. Another Minnesota six and

4:37

all in the playoffs and that includes

4:39

or road when sell a to that's

4:41

the defending champs to than schedule around

4:43

Devin Booker from Brazil and pre release

4:45

me while over in the east. The

4:47

Knicks edge the Pacers in game one

4:49

of the Garden. Jail. And Bronson

4:51

scored forty three to leave the nexus

4:53

four straight playoff game. A. Boutique

4:56

was points the pacers. They. Were

4:58

incredulous over a couple away cause when

5:00

against them, a kickball that clearly wasn't

5:02

and a questionable moving screen whistle on

5:04

Myles Turner. Might. What determined

5:06

this game in your eyes? Well.

5:09

Up. The. Guys use easier as bolland

5:11

that and have frame service. Albert. Who.

5:14

I know I've I've voted like third team all in

5:16

Be a had a great. First. Half of

5:18

the season and have been plagued by

5:20

hamstring issue he doesn't talk about it

5:22

doesn't make it excuse good for hims

5:24

ripping player but he he had no

5:26

game no he had no game that

5:28

heard since if he has a c

5:30

minus game. And he wins that game

5:32

to prison win a game. But. But

5:34

fried. The. Optics of this a

5:36

terrible a day. The Bronx is my god. Me:

5:39

He's just great all the time

5:41

now almost all the time. But

5:43

those calls leave us since to

5:45

that game. And. This is

5:48

why the in be a more the

5:50

any league faces conversation. no

5:52

matter how insane it may sound about

5:54

conspiracies i don't think that was saying

5:56

that zoc was too good an official

5:58

the governor cool too good I don't

6:00

think there's any intent, but that

6:03

moving screen calls awful. And let me

6:05

just say this, right? Again, those guys

6:07

are too good. As

6:09

a kid in the Midwest, and I'm

6:11

suspicious all the time about the lifting

6:13

of teams in the East and West,

6:15

and I've been that way all my

6:17

life, and people, yes, in the flyover

6:19

states, may be guilty of that, this

6:22

is bad for optics, all

6:25

right? It just is. Those calls

6:27

are inexcusably bad. The

6:29

Pacers got hosed. Now,

6:32

the league will now send out its minions to call

6:34

people and say, oh, please don't... Sorry,

6:36

you got to be accountable

6:38

for this. That is inexcus...

6:40

That illegal screen, you and I have talked

6:43

to players, coaches, executives all

6:45

day today. Nobody says anything, but

6:48

that call can be made 40 times a

6:50

game. It shouldn't be made. And I know bad

6:52

calls get made all the time, but the

6:54

Aaron Neesmith, the kickball, when he deflected with his

6:56

hand, of course, that's a player they can't review.

6:59

Why don't we make the playoffs... Since

7:01

the games are a little bit more important,

7:03

let's make plays like that reviewable in the

7:05

final two minutes of a game. That is

7:07

a huge fight. The game is tied, Mike.

7:09

That would have been a transition opportunity for

7:11

Indiana in a tie game. Instead, Dante Di

7:13

Vincenzo had a great second half, knocks

7:16

down a three, and then Indiana is chasing

7:18

the final minute of the game. I hated

7:20

the call on the screen, but also, two

7:22

players you mentioned, Jalen Brunson with 21 points

7:25

in that fourth quarter, 21 of the

7:27

39th, and then X-Corked. And you mentioned

7:29

Tyrese Halliburton. I felt like

7:31

he wanted no part of that game offensively in

7:33

the fourth quarter. He had two miserable

7:36

turnovers in the final four minutes. Turnovers

7:39

that for an all-star player at this level,

7:42

you simply cannot have. So I get it.

7:44

Indiana, they're all ticked off with

7:46

a playing at Madison Square Garden. The Confuities

7:48

are going to start up, but they had

7:50

that game, and Tyrese Halliburton's their best player.

7:52

He made two mistakes that you cannot make,

7:55

especially at this level. Great. And

7:57

by the way, kudos to Rick

7:59

Carlisle for taking the... high road. He

8:01

didn't have to. Okay. Once again, let

8:03

me be plain about this. Jalen

8:06

Brunson and Dante Di Vincenzo, they, they

8:08

are up to the moment. Every game

8:10

they throw the, roll the ball out.

8:13

Those guys are up to the moment.

8:15

There's nothing to be said. Anti-nicks

8:19

about last night. There's no criticism, none, but

8:21

the circumstances and the optics of having

8:23

a playoff game in Madison square garden

8:26

and all wait. The Knicks get the

8:28

benefit of just about every call all

8:30

night, including hand of God. It's been

8:32

20 years of nothing. Mike cut

8:36

the Knicks some slack here. They finally had to get a break and

8:38

they got one in the black like that. I'll

8:40

cut a slack cause of Brunson and Di

8:42

Vincenzo. Now to the national

8:44

hockey league with a Bruins punish the

8:47

Panthers in Florida game one, goalie

8:49

Jeremy Swayman continued his strong play

8:52

as Boston won easily five, one.

8:55

The Panthers have been off for eight days though,

8:57

waiting for this series to start. So Frank,

9:00

is it possible you might want to write

9:02

off their performance to rust? Yeah, I'm willing

9:04

to do that. And also in the NHL,

9:06

we know how it works, Mike. Dallas lost

9:08

the first two games at home and then

9:10

they ended up winning a game seven against

9:12

the defending champs just over the weekend. And

9:14

remember Boston won their first

9:16

game against Toronto five, one. And the next

9:18

thing you know, they're trailing, they're trailing in

9:21

the third period of a game seven, but

9:23

this was a terrific win for Boston, a

9:25

quick turnaround for them. And think about

9:27

some of the goals that they had,

9:30

they had three guys who combined for

9:32

13 goals during the regular season, all

9:34

score. And that includes how about Brandon

9:36

Carlo, whose wife had given birth on

9:38

Monday, makes it down to the

9:40

game. And then he scores a playoff goal.

9:42

That was a great win for the Bruins

9:44

considering they're on the verge of elimination on

9:46

Saturday night down in that series,

9:49

one nothing. And they scored quickly just like

9:51

they did last night after Matthew Kachuk gave

9:53

Florida a one nothing lead. 67 seconds

9:56

later, they tied it up. That was big bounce

9:58

back in both those. Yeah. of the game seven

10:00

and game one. Frank, I think

10:02

that there's a lesson to be learned here, bigger lesson

10:05

about sports. And in this case, it

10:07

applies to these NHL playoffs. We

10:09

don't need to decide stuff. We

10:12

don't need to come to conclusions. Just watch the

10:14

game. Because every time we

10:16

try to figure out which way

10:18

things are trending, they're not trending

10:21

that way. Right. So watch

10:23

the series. You know, I can't

10:25

wait to, whenever they finally get started, started

10:27

to watch, uh, Edmonton and

10:30

Vancouver. I mean, there's a

10:32

lot of great hockey going on. Swamin, by

10:34

the way, you mentioned him, he's been

10:36

terrific in these playoffs. And so Boston

10:38

has a great win one following a

10:41

game seven. I don't know that it

10:43

means anything else that a portends anything

10:45

else that anything is trending. Let's just

10:47

watch the games. Yep. Good

10:50

48 hours. And pretty good. Let's

10:52

just take a break. But coming up,

10:55

the Pat Riley's comments make it sound like

10:57

the heat will be moving on from Jimmy

10:59

buckets and the Clippers plan

11:01

to stick with their big three. What's

11:04

the word for that? A

11:07

couple. Is that a

11:09

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Well first, Jimmy Butler's future

12:52

with the heat sounds blank. Well

12:56

of course Frank, we

12:58

get this story because Pat Riley sat

13:01

before a microphone and responding

13:03

to Jimmy Butler's comments about other teams and

13:05

playing, what might have happened if he'd been

13:07

on the court, Pat Riley just

13:10

essentially said, I don't want

13:12

to hear it, you weren't out there,

13:14

so just be quiet, stop, stop talking.

13:18

And then he came back and he talked about

13:20

you know who's there and playing with who's there

13:22

and Jimmy Butler of course got injured

13:24

and we saw him suffer kind of a

13:26

bad injury. So I was a little

13:28

surprised that Riles went after him, but when Riles

13:30

says this stuff and he says it

13:32

publicly, it ain't good and he

13:35

is measured and he's Pat Riley. So my

13:37

word is over, okay? Jimmy Butler's time in

13:39

Miami is gonna be over, they can trade

13:41

him. I know he's got two more years

13:44

of the contract, like a year and then

13:46

a player option. They can, other

13:48

teams will want Jimmy Butler. It just seems

13:50

like his time in Miami is over

13:53

if we're reading this situation correctly. Yeah I think

13:55

you're right, you said over, I'm gonna say cooked

13:57

on this one and you know there are certain

13:59

dates. on the NBA calendar, which

14:01

stick out opening night, the Christmas day

14:03

games, the trade deadline, start of the

14:05

playoffs. You know what another one is?

14:07

The Pat Riley end of the year

14:10

state of the Miami Heat address because

14:12

he always delivers the good. He

14:14

told Jimmy Butler, you just shut your mouth on something like this. I get

14:16

it. Jimmy Butler plays this role

14:18

where he's just trolling people. He's talking about

14:20

the Celtics and the New York Knicks and

14:22

Josh Hart. It's all adorable

14:25

when your team is winning. When you call

14:27

yourself playoff Jimmy and you're not available for

14:29

the playoffs, suddenly it doesn't hit the

14:31

right chord with Pat Riley. Here's the other

14:33

thing about playoff Jimmy. Since you joined the

14:35

Heat, 58 regular season games, 52, 57, 64 and 60,

14:37

I think what Pat Riley

14:41

is thinking, we need you to be regular season

14:43

Jimmy. So maybe we can get a top four

14:45

seed, get home court advantage, give ourselves an easier

14:47

path to advance through the playoffs. That's why I

14:50

think with Jimmy Butler, the injury history, I think

14:52

it's coming to an end. Yeah,

14:54

you know, Frank, as well as that has

14:56

gone in the postseason multiple times, it seems

14:59

like the sort of marriage has just

15:02

moved on. Like it's time

15:04

for it to be over us. What it sounds like.

15:08

What's next? The Clippers would

15:10

be blank to stick with Kawhi Leonard,

15:12

Paul George and James Harden. Well,

15:15

we could go just ill-advised, which is

15:18

what I think, but my word will

15:20

be starstruck. That's what it is. And

15:22

Steve Balmer is in a tough place. The owner of that team was

15:24

one of the richest men in the world. He's

15:27

building this. It's already like three quarters up. I

15:29

can't wait to see it, Frank, the

15:32

Intuit Dome in LA and

15:34

he's got to, he's got to fill it and

15:36

it's not the Lakers. The Clippers still aren't the

15:38

Lakers. So they've already signed Kawhi Leonard to a

15:40

crazy amount of money, but to

15:43

give Harden and Paul George that amount of

15:45

money, those guys aren't going to

15:47

threaten anybody. Talk about people who aren't available.

15:50

Some or all of them aren't available or

15:52

aren't up to the playoffs. Just aren't up

15:54

to it. Not like the Minnesota

15:57

Timberwolves and the Oklahoma City Thunder and the

15:59

Boston Celtics. than others, the Knicks. So,

16:02

star struck, but I don't think it's gonna

16:05

work. How about you? You know what, I'm gonna go with

16:07

short side. I agree with a lot of things you're saying.

16:09

You mentioned the Intuit Dome, the state of the

16:11

art facility they're gonna move into. That's gonna

16:13

sell itself over the next couple of

16:15

years. So that's gonna draw fans to

16:17

the Clippers. So why not try to

16:20

make trades here? Trade guys off. Let's

16:22

remember, they traded Shagutas Alexander and five

16:24

first round picks to right the swap

16:26

to other picks for Paul George. That's

16:28

coming back to haunt them. And Mike,

16:30

look off to the playoffs. Steph Curry's

16:32

done. Kevin Durant is out. LeBron James

16:34

is out. Damian Luelland, Yannis and Ted

16:36

Akumbo out. All the older players are

16:38

gone as he's upstart teams. And look

16:40

at the Clippers. They don't look like

16:42

an upstart team. It's, for me, it's

16:44

time to cut your losses now. And the

16:46

other problem with Kawhi Leonard, who's a

16:48

brilliant player. Every year, Mike, when it

16:51

comes to the playoffs, he never finishes

16:53

the season on the court. And

16:55

you look at what Messiah Jiri did in Toronto,

16:57

give him credit. That was a great trade. He

16:59

had him for one year. They won a championship

17:01

ever since then. Kawhi's not available. I know they

17:04

can't trade him for a while, until July, but

17:06

I would look to do something like that. I

17:09

would look to do something. I wouldn't have

17:11

any of them. Start over. By the way,

17:13

that's gonna be the new model. You don't

17:15

need, this whole big three, it's over. I

17:17

know, I think you're right. Find some good

17:19

young players and have some draft capital and

17:21

build that way. That's

17:24

the final word, excuse me. Let's take one last

17:26

break. But still to

17:28

come, Victor Wimbaniyama, speaking of young,

17:31

fresh faces, rolls

17:33

to rookie of the year. Shocking. And

17:35

Shohei does Shohei things, yet

17:38

again. Yeah, he does

17:40

that sort of every day. Yeah, you don't need

17:42

it. I mean, you find one great star, if

17:44

you can't win a great player. Not an old

17:46

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17:49

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to get happy people. Happy 40th birthday

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Alex Smith. What

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a star-crossed career. 16 seasons in

20:13

all, 14 on the field

20:15

and two that he missed entirely with

20:17

injuries and serious aftermath. The

20:19

9 of Joe Smith was the number one overall pick in

20:22

2005. It took

20:24

a few seasons but after he found his

20:26

groove with the team, he suffered a concussion

20:28

and lost his job to Colin Kaepernick. Smith

20:30

then started with the Chiefs for five

20:32

successful seasons until it may replace him

20:34

with Patrick Mahomes. In the Smith's

20:37

first season in Washington, he

20:39

suffered that gruesome leg injury that led to at

20:41

least 17 surgeries. He

20:43

made it back on the field in his

20:45

final season and his team won five of

20:48

his six starts. Smith's

20:50

career record, 99-67-1. Wow!

20:54

One of my favorite people, Frank, I've ever covered

20:56

in sports. Certainly a classy

20:58

guy. It's a great story that he came back

21:00

from that injury. Doesn't he kind of remind you?

21:02

I know the circumstances are a little bit different,

21:05

but when you had Drew Bledsoe in New

21:07

England getting replaced by Tom Brady and I

21:09

had Alex Smith in Kansas City getting replaced

21:11

by a guy who's now won three Super

21:13

Bowls and has been to four. I'm

21:16

glad he's on television. Glad to hear him every

21:18

week. Happy anniversary Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

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On this day 35 years ago on

21:23

a Sunday afternoon, you hit an

21:25

18-footer over Craig Elo at the buzzer to

21:27

advance the Bulls past the Cavaliers in Cleveland.

21:30

After the game, Bulls coach Doug Collins is

21:32

proud to play as get the

21:34

ball to Michael and everybody gets a bleep out of

21:36

the way. With Jordan shot, the

21:39

Bulls won not just a playoff game, not

21:41

just a series, but established a playoff trajectory

21:43

that would lead to championships in the years

21:46

to come. Many don't

21:48

recall that at the time the

21:50

Cavaliers team of Mark Price, Brad

21:52

Doherty and Ron Harper had

21:55

been considered to be on the same

21:57

level as those Bulls and great projections

21:59

themselves. I'm gonna put Jordan shots, the

22:01

one against Georgetown that won a championship

22:03

first, his last one with the Bulls to beat

22:06

Utah Jazz, I'll put that one third, and I

22:08

think you also buried the lead. Weren't you at

22:10

that game when he hit the shuttle to Cradilla?

22:12

No, no, no, I was watching that one on

22:14

TV. I've flown Redeye back from LA or something

22:16

to get to Chicago to my parents' house to

22:18

watch it on TV. I hope Michael Jordan knows

22:20

that. I hope he knows that, that you weren't

22:23

there. Happy trails to any suspense in

22:25

the NBA Rookie of the Year voting.

22:27

That's the only great shot from Jordan.

22:29

I didn't see a person. Victor Winbanjama

22:32

won the award unanimously, getting all 99

22:34

first place votes. He's the

22:36

third scorer to take it home, following David

22:38

Robinson and Tim Duncan. After

22:40

winning the award, Winbanjama said, quote,

22:43

the most important thing to me is always

22:45

winning, close quote. While the

22:47

Spurs, they only won 22 of 80

22:49

games this season. They won five of

22:52

the last eight Winbanjama played with them

22:54

averaging, get this, 27 points,

22:56

12 and a half boards, six and a half

22:58

assists, and nearly five walks per

23:00

game frame. Yeah, obviously you and I voted

23:02

for him and the two other rookies of

23:05

the year, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, what did

23:07

they do, Mike? They won multiple championships and

23:09

right now it's going to be up to

23:11

the Spurs to put the right team

23:13

around. Victor Winbanjama, he's another one of these

23:15

young guys in the NBA that's starting soon

23:17

rather than later. Yep. All right, no errors

23:19

today. We're running out of show this yesterday's

23:21

finish. Champions League today,

23:24

Dortmund vs. PSG 1-0 in Paris,

23:26

Frank, to advance to the final.

23:29

I'm shocked, but I don't know

23:31

anything. You're reacting. I know. 2-0

23:33

on aggregate and that's killing Mbappe,

23:36

arguably the greatest player in the world

23:38

yet to play in a Champions League

23:40

final. Pretty surprising. Wow. Shohei went 2-3

23:42

with his 11th home run and the Dodgers went

23:45

over the Marlins. Are you impressed? I

23:47

am. And he's on the tear, but Walker

23:49

Bueller made his first start in nearly two

23:51

seasons. Four in his pitch, three earned, four,

23:53

you know, was strikeout. That's good news. Hurricanes

23:56

Rangers, Abstars tonight, who you got?

23:58

Yeah, Rangers. The stars finished 1-2 most

24:01

points in the NHL. I'm

24:03

going to take the home team. By the way, Rangers 5 and 0

24:05

in the playoffs. Speak of the NHL. Their

24:07

draft lottery is tonight. Are you excited? Caddo's

24:10

A's got like double the chance of

24:13

Black Hawk through the wind. I want

24:15

Macklin celebrating. I mean, he grew up,

24:17

I think, you know, playing against, of

24:19

course, the Black Hawks. Big

24:21

gun. That was for the world. I'd like to

24:23

see that. Last one, pass,

24:25

double, smash. Thunder tonight, who you got? I'm going

24:27

to have them play it in a day. Selfish

24:30

having played in six. I'm going to

24:32

send the home teams to both of them. What about you? Who you got?

24:34

Home teams and both of us. We're out of

24:37

time. Thanks for watching. I'm Frank Isoz. And

24:39

I'm Mike Wilbong. Same time tomorrow, luckily, as

24:42

you can get the podcast on the

24:44

ESPN app or Apple podcast. Frank, how

24:46

did I miss that one shot in

24:48

Cleveland? All the other ones.

24:50

I don't forgive you and Michael Jordan.