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was actually the third to last episode and

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this season of proof least for now. We.

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a lot. Them will be addressed and the

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on that's. A. Lot of

3:48

the questions I think will hopefully be

3:50

answered during the lox. Two episodes. and

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this is episode you hurt us talk again to

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ten fisher and as you heard the and episode

3:57

just and and i walked away with very different

4:00

takes. Very different impressions, I guess,

4:02

of how the interview had gone. Yeah.

4:05

I walked away feeling, you know, we

4:08

don't know what he knows and he

4:10

wasn't really being forthcoming with

4:12

what he knows and it could be he doesn't know anything.

4:14

And like we've said before,

4:16

there's a lot of reasons why people don't

4:19

share information with us

4:21

or don't want to talk to us or, you

4:23

know, some people, as you heard, just

4:26

hang up the phone on you. Tim is willing to

4:28

sit down with us not once but twice. So

4:31

if he does know more about the sister's house,

4:33

even rumors about the sister's house, there could be

4:35

a lot of reasons why he wouldn't want to

4:38

share that. And to me, that's

4:40

the question is like, why wouldn't he

4:42

want to share that information? I

4:45

do think he did not know about the

4:47

Eric Greer tape. I still feel that his

4:49

reaction seemed pretty genuine to me. Just he

4:52

seemed surprised Eric had done that. Yeah,

4:54

I don't know that there's reason to think that

4:56

Tim would have known that Eric sat down and

4:58

recorded that video unless someone had a copy and

5:00

gave it to him. When that

5:03

was recorded, I don't think Tim

5:05

was even living in Manteca anymore.

5:07

Don't know if he kept in touch with

5:09

Eric at that point. So I do

5:12

think he wasn't aware of the

5:15

video. One part

5:17

of our interview was that the first time we

5:19

talked to him, he told us he's like, I

5:21

left Manteca. When I found out Eric

5:24

was dead, I was surprised, wasn't even around anymore. I

5:26

left there. In the

5:29

second interview, one of us asked him like, so

5:31

that when he left Manteca, and he

5:33

denied it, he insisted he had never

5:35

left Manteca and that it hadn't happened,

5:37

even though the previous time he himself told us

5:39

he left. Here's what Tim said

5:41

during the second interview when we asked him about people

5:43

who were saying he left town not too long

5:46

after Renee's body was found. After

5:49

Renee's death, what did you

5:51

do in the weeks after? I

5:54

just continued on with my life. Riding

5:56

my skateboard, working. Did

5:58

you see him in Manteca? Oh yeah. I

6:02

never leave that town because of anything anybody

6:04

thought ever. Some people say you

6:06

left town. The

6:09

police were asking about you. Because of all the

6:11

stuff and they were told that... No, you could

6:13

ask for all my closest friends and I have

6:15

a huge group. I stayed right there

6:17

on the block where the Volk brothers thought they were

6:19

going to try to jump me and all that other

6:21

dumb shit. You didn't leave town? Why would I leave

6:23

town? People told the cops you

6:25

left town and gone to Stockton. Maybe

6:29

years later for a few months because I was homeless

6:31

and stayed with a friend. I never

6:33

left town for nothing. Yeah

6:37

I think he was more reacting though to the time

6:39

frame of when he left. Like

6:42

he doesn't deny leaving Manticat at some

6:44

point, it's just when. Well he said he

6:46

didn't leave back then and I mean we

6:48

know from the case file that people were

6:50

saying he'd left back then. Even

6:53

before Jake and Ty were arrested. Yeah

6:55

which they weren't arrested right away.

6:57

So back then it's like what does that mean?

6:59

Are we talking like the week her body was

7:01

found or like six months later? The

7:03

second interview he told us he never left Manticat till like

7:06

years and years later. And

7:08

we know from Jake's interviews before his arrest

7:10

that he's telling them that his friend Louis

7:12

is telling him that Tim left town. Right.

7:16

It's all like all this sort like Tim left

7:18

town like did he go on vacation for a

7:20

few weeks or did he leave town permanently? Did

7:22

he come back in between that time and when

7:25

he left to actually go live somewhere? It's hard

7:27

to piece all that together especially with someone like

7:29

Tim and a lot of people in the story

7:31

who are couch surfing and they don't really

7:34

have a permanent address. It's

7:36

hard to track where people are living and when.

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say that we all left the interview

9:53

not knowing exactly what to make of

9:55

it, but having the sense

9:57

that Tim knew more than he was

9:59

sharing. You know, and even that sounds

10:01

funny, like he knew more. Like, does

10:03

he know more about the rumors? Does

10:05

he just know the hearsay and what people have told

10:08

him, like everyone else? Or

10:10

did he actually see something and

10:12

witness it with his own eyes? Like, that we

10:14

don't know. We

10:16

also talked to Julie, the

10:18

older sister from Sister's House, in

10:21

last week's episode. And we spoke to her for about 15

10:23

minutes or so. Like

10:25

we say in the show, like, I think we had the hope in

10:27

the back of her head that maybe she'd be able to, like, give

10:29

us all the answers, which of course is

10:31

not how things are ever going to go. But

10:35

the thing she didn't do was tell

10:37

us that all the rumors were nonsense, and then

10:39

this has happened. That's what I kind

10:42

of expected her to say as well, because that's what she

10:44

said back then, essentially, to the police. But

10:46

she definitely was not saying that. She

10:48

denied knowing anything, but she seemed to

10:50

accept the possibility or

10:53

find it not at all impossible that the people

10:55

who had been living there with her had been involved

10:57

in something like this. Yeah, it

10:59

felt like if this happens, I

11:01

don't know anything about it. And

11:03

like you, I was hoping we'd talk to her,

11:05

and she'd be like, yeah, this is what happened.

11:09

And yeah. Or even to say none of it happened.

11:11

Like, that would have been useful too. And

11:14

of course, a big problem in all of this is

11:16

that the documentation from the police file just kind of

11:18

isn't there. There are a few references

11:20

here and there to the stories being

11:22

reported. But compared to

11:24

the stuff from Jake and Ty, like the investigations

11:26

into them, the paperwork is so minimal. So

11:30

there's not much of a record to go on there. Yeah,

11:32

it makes you wonder if there's a bunch

11:34

of files, records, paperwork that

11:38

we don't have, right? I

11:40

mean, I always wonder that. The

11:43

answers could be there. We just don't

11:45

have access to them. Or maybe they looked into it

11:47

and was like, this is a bunch of nonsense. It's

11:50

just crazy rumors. I

11:52

do think it's significant though that Julie

11:54

told the police something that's Very

11:56

different from what she told us now. Because

12:00

back then she told the police like there was

12:02

nothing to a the whole thing was just a

12:04

it's a joke taken badly and the police seem

12:06

to believe that. But. From the

12:09

what she told us, I did not get the sense at

12:11

all. It's what happened. Yeah. Older she'll says

12:13

didn't really wanna talk about it so she was

12:15

so depressing it away like that I don't want

12:17

to see what I said in a lake city

12:19

will talk about it had we remind. I guess

12:21

he did remind her what she said back then.

12:24

Yeah. And she she insisted that. What?

12:27

I was in the police file with

12:29

Ally in figures. When. Something like this

12:31

has happened and you move on your life

12:33

and then two random people shot better to

12:35

err. You're not prepared to talk about it,

12:37

you know I I wish she had a

12:39

though. She had called us back a few

12:41

days later after she had a minute to

12:43

like, let it sink in and. Which.

12:46

Happens sometimes. It. Does happen

12:48

sometime cn. Cases. And

12:50

how did you liked it? The audio File:

12:52

Kevin and Anthony joking that they should just

12:54

leave us that. We. Would randoms system

12:56

which one sitting out of their. I

13:00

heard he later I'm like you asshole six it.

13:02

It actually made me laugh really hard when I

13:04

heard. That and you know we would have said

13:07

the same thing had we made them get our shit

13:09

off. Or think driven

13:11

away to say good effort. We would have

13:13

taken it one step. Further in Outer

13:15

Rings and Tesla hate. That

13:18

so like was sad. Thirty two more episodes

13:20

left in the season. However, if anyone out

13:22

there listening and has any information about the

13:24

share we'd like to encourage you to still.

13:27

Call us even of the show's over so

13:29

you know the season dropping up. We're not

13:31

going anywhere and will still be doing updates

13:33

down the line on how to excuses going.

13:36

So yeah, Anyone out there if you haven't?

13:38

If Mason, give us a call. says.

13:41

And I love how you say the

13:43

seasons wrapping up it never read certain,

13:45

ever since it never ends like we

13:47

continue to work on this around the

13:49

plot all the time. I'm sir. like

13:51

he said they'll be update episodes and

13:53

we're still like emails and like tax

13:55

about just hides his case. like often

13:57

enough like Instagram sit it never ends.

14:00

Keep going so. The idea that

14:02

it wraps since like you know, That's

14:05

just not the case on. doesn't mean.

14:07

Bama. Be weekly episodes. ah

14:09

after the seventeenth episode. Although.

14:11

New saying that has permanently. Now jinxed

14:14

us sing for doubting as. And

14:17

next to feel be like actually made

14:19

a mistake in this episode. I just

14:21

tend to the say it's system. We

14:26

are coming to a club for the. Really bad that.

14:29

And because of that are going to keep

14:31

it short For five are the sweet But

14:33

stay tuned for Monday for episode. Six scene

14:35

where you'll hear from some new

14:38

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14:40

the show yet so far Some.

14:42

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14:44

really kind of interesting

14:46

new. Information So true.

14:49

Monday and find out more about who left that

14:51

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