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Be unstoppable. Out

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in California, there is a software

0:36

engineer who has been trying to

0:38

figure out his work-life balance. Finishing

0:41

code and playing in one

0:43

of the world's most watched

0:45

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0:48

World Cup. So

0:50

I try to switch on and switch off. So when

0:52

I am focusing on my

0:54

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0:56

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0:58

the field, I'm completely on the field. So

1:00

that really helps me switching on and switching

1:02

off. That's Sarab Nechavalkar,

1:05

an engineer for Oracle and a

1:07

star player for Team USA. He

1:10

led his team to a massive upset earlier

1:12

this month, beating a Titan

1:15

of cricket, Pakistan. The

1:17

red, white and blue

1:19

of USA has overcome the

1:22

2022 finalists. The

1:25

stars and stripes are flying high and

1:27

proudly in Dallas, Texas. Sarab

1:31

spoke with my colleague, tech reporter

1:33

Pranshu Verma, who is obsessed with

1:35

cricket. Yeah, I mean, the way

1:37

I've been kind of telling my buddies is like,

1:40

you know, Team USA beating

1:42

Pakistan is kind of like

1:45

a mediocre college basketball team,

1:48

you know, beating like the Lakers or the

1:50

Mabs or something. Like it's pretty

1:52

unexpected for something like that to

1:55

happen whatsoever. Team USA is

1:57

advancing to the next round. They're playing

1:59

South Africa. Africa on Wednesday. And

2:02

Pranshu says the story of this team

2:04

and of Sarab tells us something about

2:06

the future of cricket in the US,

2:09

a sport that is still not in the mainstream

2:11

here. So Pranshu wanted to

2:13

talk to Sarab. I got

2:15

on the phone with him because he's actually

2:17

a normal dude. He's not

2:19

a pro cricketer like you and I

2:22

would think, like a LeBron. He's a

2:24

32-year-old Indian software engineer. He's

2:26

here on a green card and he's

2:29

basically representative of such

2:32

a huge influx of

2:35

tech workers, right? They have

2:37

come in over the past 10, 20 years and

2:40

they've made their money and they've kept their nostalgia for

2:42

cricket. I've

2:45

seen exponential growth of

2:47

people being inquisitive and

2:49

learning about the sport, showing

2:52

up to watch. And

2:58

so if cricket is to make

3:00

it in the United States, it's going

3:02

to be on the backs of people

3:04

like Sarab. These Indian

3:07

American, Pakistani American, Bangladeshi Americans, they're

3:09

bringing their love of the game

3:11

mainstream. From

3:16

the newsroom of The Washington Post, this

3:18

is Post Reports. I'm

3:20

Elahe Izzadi. It's Tuesday,

3:22

June 18th. Today,

3:24

a classic Cinderella sports story,

3:27

the U.S. men's cricket team.

3:30

Pronchu tells us about the game of

3:32

cricket and the people trying to make

3:34

it a sensation here in the United

3:36

States. So

3:42

Pronchu, tell me a little bit more about

3:44

the World Cup and what happened with Team

3:46

USA. Sure. So

3:48

the World Cup that we're playing right now

3:50

is called the T20 World Cup. So

3:53

there are three different forms of cricket that

3:55

are played generally. There's

3:58

an arduous five day version called Tess. There's

4:00

a one-day version. Test because it's a test

4:02

of your will. Interesting. Yeah, exactly. And it's

4:04

over five days. Yeah. And then you have

4:07

a one-day format, which can be played over

4:09

eight hours. And then you have the format

4:11

that we're seeing happen right now, which is

4:13

called T20. Explosive

4:15

three to four-hour version, really

4:18

entertaining to watch, really high octane. And

4:20

that World Cup is happening for the

4:22

first time ever in the United States

4:24

and in the West Indies. And

4:28

it's kind of seen as an

4:30

attempt to make that format of

4:32

the game popular in

4:34

the United States. This is the second most watched

4:37

game in the world. You mean

4:40

the tournament or just cricket? Cricket in

4:42

general. The sport is the second

4:44

most watched for soccer. Wow. So

4:46

after soccer, it's cricket. And

4:48

yet in the United States, barely

4:51

anybody knows barely anything about the game.

4:53

And so there's been this huge move

4:56

to make this sport actually

4:58

gain legs in the United States. And

5:00

this is kind of one of the

5:02

first moments we're seeing it enter even

5:04

into the basics of the mainstream. And

5:06

women's cricket is also starting to emerge.

5:09

Later this year, there's going to be the

5:11

T20 World Cup for women in October. And

5:14

in places like India where cricket is

5:16

pretty mainstream, you're starting

5:18

to see women play in their own version

5:21

of a major league in their own premier

5:23

league. So we're starting to see the seeds

5:25

of women's cricket emerge

5:28

on the heels of the popularity of the men's game. I

5:31

mean, I don't know that much about

5:33

cricket. Let's actually just step back and

5:35

talk about how cricket even works for

5:37

folks who have never really heard of it. That's

5:40

true, yes. So all I know is I actually

5:42

thought it was always five days long. I thought

5:44

it was a very long sport. My knowledge of

5:46

cricket is mostly based on a historical fictional Bollywood

5:48

movie, Lagoon. Yes. Which

5:51

that's probably not true. You're bringing me back

5:53

to my childhood. Yeah, but in this movie,

5:56

basically, my recollection of the plot is

5:58

this is like British colonial India. and

6:01

we have an Indian village and they

6:03

want to fight against their British colonizers

6:05

and they have to learn this brand

6:07

new game, Cricket, and I won't give

6:09

away the ending, but that's probably not

6:11

how Cricket was introduced into India. No,

6:13

definitely not. But

6:15

tell me a little bit more about Cricket. Give me

6:17

Cricket 101 for people who don't know anything about it.

6:19

Okay. So

6:23

Cricket is originally a sport that originated in the

6:25

United Kingdom, and with

6:28

British colonialism, it was a

6:30

major export. So you see

6:32

the countries that were colonized by the United

6:34

Kingdom actually have

6:36

a lot of influence in the sport. So you'll

6:38

see India, Pakistan, you'll see

6:41

Sri Lanka, you'll see Australia, you'll see, you

6:43

know... The Caribbean. The Caribbean, yeah, exactly. You'll

6:47

see places in East and West

6:49

Africa, you'll see these Commonwealth nations doing

6:52

quite well and really picking up the fervor for Cricket, but

6:55

it's kind of a byproduct of, you know,

6:57

colonialism. And so is my idea of it

6:59

in my head is it's sort of like baseball? Is

7:02

that true? Like, how is

7:04

the game played? In this

7:06

version that we're playing, you have 20 overs for

7:08

each team, right? And

7:11

each over is six balls that are pitched. Is that

7:13

like an ending? And that's kind of like an ending. So 20 innings,

7:15

six balls an inning, and you just basically got to score as

7:19

much as you can in those 20 overs.

7:21

You have 10 players. And so whatever comes

7:23

first, either you play all those 20 innings

7:25

or all those 10 people are struck out.

7:28

Whatever comes first and whatever score you make, that's your

7:30

score. And then the other team has

7:32

a chance to either match that score or beat it.

7:35

And then that's how you decide who wins. And so there's

7:37

like the I'm sorry to dumb it down for

7:39

my American mind, but

7:41

are there like pitchers and catchers and

7:44

batters, like the same in baseball? Yeah,

7:46

there are batsmen. So just like the batters.

7:51

So those are pitchers. So in cricket, you

7:53

call it bowling. You don't call it pitching.

7:55

And then you have all rounders who are

7:57

people that do pitching and batting as well.

8:00

Right now, part of these games are being

8:02

played in the United States. So

8:04

I'm curious to learn more about some

8:06

of the members of Team USA, because

8:08

from the sounds of it, it's

8:11

not like a pro team in the sense of

8:13

maybe these are full-time athletes. It's just kind of

8:15

scrappy, right? So who are these players? Oh,

8:17

man. So it's a 27-man roster,

8:20

and they are part-time

8:22

players. I mean, Sarab

8:24

is the star bowler, and

8:27

he's an Oracle engineer by day. You

8:29

know, others are pharmacists. There's personal

8:32

trainers. There's clinical research associates.

8:34

I mean, like... I mean, this

8:36

movie writes itself. I'm sorry. It's

8:39

the band of most ordinary gentlemen, you

8:41

know, taking on... I mean, compared to

8:43

like India or Pakistan, where

8:46

lead cricketers get millions of dollars, have millions of

8:48

Instagram followers, right? Like, and they play it professionally.

8:51

You know, these are definitely some of the most

8:53

ordinary guys compared to who they're going up against.

8:55

Tell me a little bit more about

8:58

Sarab Natravalkar. How did he find himself

9:00

in this moment? So

9:03

he was a really

9:05

good junior cricket player in India, really

9:07

one of the tops. But

9:10

he wasn't good enough to make the national team.

9:12

He tried for years. And so

9:14

he basically was like, all

9:16

right, I'm not going to make the pros in India. He

9:19

also liked to do this thing called computer engineering

9:21

and software coding. So he's like, okay, maybe I

9:23

give up my cricket dream and I

9:25

go become a software engineer. I mean, how many

9:27

of us, right? Give up

9:29

our hoop dreams. Exactly right. Give up hoop dreams. And

9:32

if you're South Asian, engineering and coding

9:34

is exactly what you go into. And

9:38

so he got accepted into Cornell for

9:40

a master's in computer science, came to

9:42

the United States. And

9:44

that's kind of where his love for cricket

9:47

got sparked again, right? He never thought he

9:49

was going to play cricket again. But then

9:51

he saw kids on Cornell's campus playing. I

9:53

was walking to class and I saw a

9:55

few kids in Cornell just playing for fun

9:58

on a public park. So

10:00

I felt emotional, I just joined them, played for

10:03

fun. Wow. And he was like, I got to

10:05

play again. And so he started playing again. And

10:07

he started doing good. But

10:09

he was like, I can't make this a full-time job. And

10:12

so he then, in 2016, graduated from

10:15

Cornell with his Ivy League master's degree in

10:17

computer science, got a job at Oracle as

10:19

a software engineer, moved to the Bay Area.

10:22

And that's where the itch kind of grew even

10:24

more and more to keep playing, because there are

10:26

a lot of tech workers. There are a lot

10:28

of people who are South Asian immigrants, and

10:30

they play cricket a lot. So he really

10:32

tries to separate his day. But he'll put

10:34

in a full eight, 10, 12 hours, especially

10:37

when he was beginning. He was a junior coder,

10:39

so he was grinding it out. And

10:41

then in the nighttime, logging off after

10:44

a 10, 12-hour day of coding, he

10:47

goes to one of the AstroTurf kind

10:49

of cricket fields in the San Francisco

10:51

Bay Area. And

10:53

then he heard that in LA, cricketers were

10:55

playing on grass fields. So he was like,

10:57

wow, that's pretty cool. So then I

11:00

started driving six hours to

11:02

LA on Friday, playing

11:04

in LA and coming back on

11:06

the weekend. So that's how it

11:09

started gradually. Wow, so

11:11

he was a commute from San Francisco to LA

11:13

on the weekends. On the weekends to play on

11:15

a proper field, yeah. How does he

11:17

balance all of this? Yeah, I mean,

11:19

so it's kind of hard, right? He

11:23

made Team USA in 2018. And

11:25

since then, he's had to do

11:28

cricket practice, do the workouts that are required.

11:30

He's like, well, Oracle has a really good

11:32

gym. So he'll go to the

11:34

work gym. He got remote work arrangements. I

11:37

try to schedule my Zoom meetings accordingly where

11:39

I can make it. And I try to

11:41

manage my time smartly. How

11:43

does he think about his work balance

11:46

with cricket? He really likes

11:48

it. I mean, to the fact where I was like,

11:50

so dude, you're going to like, you're

11:52

kind of blowing up. Are you just going to quit and do

11:54

this whole thing? Like becoming really famous. Becoming

11:57

really famous with all this. You know, his huge

11:59

win against Pakistan. And I'm like, you're becoming

12:01

pretty famous. Like, nah, man, like I kind

12:03

of still want to code. Like, wants to

12:05

be a software engineer by day and cricketer by

12:07

night. I mean, like, yeah, it's kind of

12:09

wild, right? Because like, he's such a normal

12:11

guy. So like, even like in

12:14

the weeks leading up to the World Cup,

12:16

right, you'd imagine like, nothing else is on

12:18

his mind. But, you know, cricket and bowling.

12:20

Like Rocky Montage. Right, like he's in his

12:22

Rocky Montage training. Nope, not at all. Like,

12:24

this guy is still like shipping off code

12:27

for this AI project that he's working on.

12:29

So he's like, he was actually not sure

12:31

that USA was even going to make it.

12:33

Like, his out of office and vacation time

12:35

was only booked until like June 17th. But

12:38

like, I was like, well, I mean, what? What is he going to

12:40

do? So he's like, I got to ask my bosses, like,

12:43

give me some more time off. To play in the World

12:45

Cup. To play in the World Cup. He's like, I kind of

12:47

need to take more time off. I'm like, yeah, you kind of

12:50

need to take more time off. Yeah, maybe just some sick days.

12:52

Exactly. Because it sounds like, and you're

12:54

telling the real turning point was when

12:56

Team USA beat Pakistan. I'm wondering what

12:58

that moment meant for Sarab. What

13:01

did he tell you about how he

13:03

sees this moment in cricket in the

13:05

US? So he

13:08

is humble. So he

13:10

obviously is like, you know, this is a team

13:12

thing. Like, he's just one part of it. We

13:14

had all worked so hard for

13:16

this game. And then we finally came through.

13:18

So I was really happy for everyone. But

13:22

he realized that this was

13:24

a moment where it

13:26

captured the attention of mainstream America.

13:31

But also, this is a guy that gave up

13:33

cricket, right? Like, this is a guy that said,

13:35

maybe I wasn't good enough to play in the

13:37

pros where it was really intense

13:39

in a place like India or Pakistan. And

13:42

now he's kind of getting that chance again.

13:45

He's getting that chance to play on the level that he always thought he

13:47

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13:57

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Pranshu, we've heard about how Sarab got

15:21

into the game and also how he

15:24

ended up on Team USA. But

15:27

what is the broader state of cricket's popularity

15:29

in the United States? Can you paint a

15:31

picture for me about that and also in

15:33

terms of creating a pipeline for

15:35

new players? Because regardless of how popular or

15:37

not it's here, are

15:39

there people actually getting engaged to learn the game

15:41

and play? Cricket is in

15:43

its early infancy in

15:46

the United States. And it's

15:48

really on the backs of South

15:51

Asian immigrants and they're doing

15:53

a few things. There's a professional

15:55

sporting league in the United States that

15:57

just started in 2022. the

16:01

CEO of Microsoft and Adobe and

16:03

a bunch of former tech executives

16:05

poured about $120 million

16:07

into starting this league. And

16:10

so there are six teams that

16:12

are across the United States right now. So

16:15

that's kind of one of the first seeds of

16:17

like cricket becoming a thing. And

16:20

can I ask you, are those tech executives

16:22

doing that because they love the game, there's

16:24

a nostalgia, do they see like a money

16:26

making avenue for this? Like what's

16:28

their motivation? Yeah, I mean, I think

16:31

they'll tell you it's nostalgia. They love cricket.

16:33

They grew up with it. There's

16:35

also a lot of potential money here. Like this

16:38

is, again, second most

16:40

watched sport in the world. Right.

16:42

And if it goes mainstream, more

16:44

and more eyeballs are in. These

16:46

are potentially lucrative streaming deals that

16:49

are to be had. Right. Yeah.

16:51

So it's both nostalgia and potential

16:53

profits. Do we know how many people are playing

16:55

cricket in the US? So right now

16:57

there's about 200000 people

16:59

that are playing cricket in the United

17:01

States, according to USA cricket. And

17:04

then I also think about how if we're

17:06

using analogous, you know, other leagues, there's also

17:08

like youth teams associated with pro teams to

17:10

kind of create this pipeline of like the

17:12

future players. What do we know about kids

17:14

or youth in the US playing the game?

17:17

So the same folks that are starting major

17:19

league cricket realize that they can't start a

17:21

major league without the feeder system. And

17:24

so there are cricket academies now that

17:26

are cropping up across the United States

17:28

in areas where there are a lot

17:30

of immigrant populations that care about it.

17:33

So Texas, California, North Carolina, Florida, New

17:35

York, you'll see some cricket academies popping

17:37

up and you'll see a

17:39

minor league feeder system to that major

17:41

league cricket league that is also created.

17:43

So there's kind of this pipeline and

17:46

farm system that is starting to develop. I

17:48

talked to one of the co-investors of this league and

17:50

he was like, the thing

17:53

that I need to do is if I'm a middle school

17:55

kid in the United States, I need

17:57

to think cricket is for me. And

17:59

that infrastructure. is just starting to be built right

18:01

now. Why isn't cricket a

18:03

bigger deal in the U.S. than

18:05

it is right now? Because, I

18:08

mean, I'm thinking about its British roots and

18:10

how it's in a lot of Commonwealth countries.

18:13

I mean, we have sports and other things here

18:15

that originated from the U.K. Like, why

18:17

is cricket one that hasn't really crossed over? I think

18:20

in the United States, where there have been

18:22

other major league sports that have grasped

18:24

the attention of people, one of

18:26

the most important things was the thing

18:29

that we talked about, which is the length of the

18:31

game, right? Getting

18:33

somebody to watch a game over five days

18:35

or watch a game for eight hours at

18:38

a time, it's hard to make

18:40

that mainstream if it's not a part of your

18:42

culture. There are parallels here. There are other sports.

18:44

Think about soccer in the United States in the

18:46

1980s, right? It's

18:48

kind of at the same place where cricket was.

18:52

International sport, a lot of people abroad

18:54

loved it. But in the United States,

18:56

sure, kids played it after school, but

18:59

nobody was really watching U.S. soccer in the 1980s.

19:02

It was still very early on. And

19:04

it took like 20 to 30 years. It

19:07

took messy. It took the

19:09

U.S. men's national team, the U.S. women's national

19:11

team. It took so much mainstream attention for

19:13

it to become a thing. And

19:16

so that's where the cricket executives really look

19:18

now, is like they view cricket as like

19:20

where major league soccer was 20 to 30

19:23

years ago. So

19:26

what obstacles does cricket face in terms of making it big in the

19:29

United States? They're

19:31

going to need a star. They're

19:34

going to need a breakout star. Like

19:37

Sarab is most certainly a breakout star

19:39

for his story. They're going to need a Lionel

19:41

Messi that has world appeal to come to major league

19:43

cricket, I think. If

19:47

you ask the investors, like they want

19:49

to be a star. They want to be a star. I

19:52

don't know who that is, but yeah. Okay.

20:02

You know, literally the best, the goat in

20:04

India for batting. Like,

20:06

you know, like pretty intense. So

20:08

they need somebody of that stature to come one day

20:10

and make it here, right? You need

20:13

stadiums too, right? Like you can't play the,

20:15

I mean, then you need the infrastructure, right?

20:17

Yeah, tell me about that. Yeah, like, I

20:19

mean, listen, like you can't just play cricket

20:21

on a baseball field. Like it, the dimensions

20:23

are different. You can hit behind

20:25

you. You can hit to the left of you,

20:27

to the right of you. Like it's definitely a

20:29

different event. So you have to retrofit these stadiums

20:31

or you got to build them from scratch. You're

20:33

gonna need more teams and you're gonna

20:36

need more and more of these stories because I

20:38

was talking to these cricket executives. Like the

20:40

goal is to get Amazon prime or Hulu or

20:43

Apple TV plus to stream these games, right?

20:45

But you need a certain amount of eyeballs.

20:48

Willow is the streamer, the official streamer for

20:50

cricket. And they're kind of this broad, you

20:52

know, bespoke, small cricket streaming company. I've been

20:54

trying to find bars in DC that like

20:57

can stream cricket. And there's not all like

20:59

a guarantee that every bar is gonna stream

21:01

cricket because who knows who has Willow right

21:03

now. So the US is

21:06

improbably now advancing in the

21:08

tournament. Can you just tell

21:10

me what we should expect of

21:12

them and the tournament going forward? What do I

21:14

need to know to watch men's World Cup

21:16

cricket? Well, there's a big match. You

21:19

know, if you're talking about the US

21:21

playing Titans of the sport, the US

21:23

plays the current winner of

21:26

the T20 World Cup on Sunday.

21:29

June 23rd, they're playing England. So that's

21:31

gonna be a big game, right? So they have a couple of

21:33

games lined up. They have the US is gonna be playing South

21:35

Africa on the 19th. They're gonna

21:38

be paying the West Indies on the

21:40

21st. And so, you know,

21:42

they've got a couple of pretty hard days ahead

21:44

of them. Has Sarab

21:46

told you anything about what's on his mind as

21:49

he's going through the tournament and also his future

21:51

plans? I asked about his

21:53

future plans. I was like, are you gonna keep playing

21:55

cricket for, he's gonna keep playing cricket as long as

21:57

he can. He's gonna still work. I

21:59

love my. because when I'm out doing both,

22:01

as long as I can do both, I

22:03

do it. It's a little bit overwhelming, right?

22:06

Like, I think he's learning how to manage

22:09

this kind of like newfound stardom. Like, his

22:11

phone is ringing off the hook, his family

22:13

in India are getting phone calls, like, oh

22:15

my god, oh my god, like, your son

22:17

is doing amazing. And so it's a little

22:19

intimidating. So I think there's a part of

22:21

his life he's realizing, you know, he's changing.

22:23

This is not exactly, you know, just, it's

22:26

not amateur night. It's not a hobby. Yeah,

22:28

it's not amateur night in San Francisco anymore.

22:30

This is India, Pakistan, England, South Africa, West

22:32

Indies. These are the big boys. Well,

22:36

Pranshu, thank you so much for joining me, explaining,

22:38

you know, how cricket works. I'm really excited now

22:40

to watch these games. Yeah, you know, find a

22:42

bar. I mean, let's see, let's see how many

22:44

people watch it at the bar. Let's, that's going

22:47

to be a good test. Thanks for

22:49

joining me. Alrighty, thanks so much for having me. Pranshu

22:54

Verma is a tech reporter for The Post.

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a new immigration policy for

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some undocumented immigrants married to

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US citizens. This

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