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1:17

war between Israel and Hamas in

1:19

Gaza has now been going on

1:21

for six months. Since the October

1:24

seventh Hamas attack against Israel that began the

1:26

war, the death toll in Gaza has sought

1:28

to more than thirty three thousand. Hamas

1:30

continues to hold some one hundred

1:32

and thirty Israelis and others hostage

1:35

while in Gaza. The more recent

1:37

fear has been of shortages of

1:39

food and medicine, with experts warning

1:41

of a man made famine. Entire

1:43

cities in Gaza in ruins, millions

1:46

of Palestinians displaced, and the humanitarian

1:48

crisis continues to worse with warnings

1:50

of famine and starvation from the

1:52

Un. And although criticism of Israel's conduct

1:55

of the war has been growing in

1:57

recent months, last week there was a

1:59

March she. Didn't hold from western

2:01

leaders after an Israeli air strike.

2:03

In Gaza. Killed the southern aid

2:05

workers for the Organization World Central

2:07

Kitchen. President Biden is criticizing Israel

2:09

saying he has outraged and heartbroken.

2:12

The most notable change has come

2:14

from Us President Joe Biden to

2:16

win from saying this back in

2:18

October. Israel has the right and

2:20

I would add of responsibility to

2:23

respond to the slaughter of people

2:25

to this week turning on Israeli

2:27

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, specifically declaring

2:29

Israel's approach to the war and

2:31

misstate. Sort of led

2:34

to this faltering in Us support

2:36

for Israel. Will Joe Biden go

2:38

where many in his party urged

2:40

him to go and stop supplying

2:42

arms to America's biggest ally in

2:44

the Middle East. And in an

2:46

election year, the could see the

2:48

removal of both Biden admitting know

2:51

what does the future holds for

2:53

the relationship between the Us and

2:55

Israel and between democrats and the

2:57

country when this will eventually ends.

2:59

I'm Jonathan Freedland columnist of The

3:01

Guardians and this is. Politics Weekly

3:04

America. We

3:08

now. Literally. In Madras

3:11

and confront a strategic called a

3:13

sack and right now I see

3:15

no way out. That

3:18

would on the other side produce

3:20

the kind of stability and security.

3:23

That. Would be peacemakers including in

3:25

the administration. Arum David Miller

3:27

serve for two decades as

3:29

a State Department analyst, negotiator,

3:32

and advisors on issues in

3:34

the Regents. He now serves

3:36

a senior fellow at the

3:38

Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,

3:40

focusing on Us. foreign policy.

3:43

right? Now I cannot think. Of

3:45

what. The. More hopeful course?

3:47

Correct it. Is. Going to

3:50

be to a conflict that is

3:52

deeply traumatised. Both. Israeli

3:54

and Palestinian society who are.

3:57

I won't say their leaderless. They.

3:59

Are simply. Led by two

4:01

individuals. Respectively

4:03

who are much more concerned

4:06

with keeping their seats. Then.

4:08

Turning the the parade of horrors

4:10

we witnessed since October on October

4:12

seventh and. And. Up

4:14

until now converting net some sort

4:16

of more hopeful pathway for Israelis

4:19

and Palestinians. The change in attitude

4:21

we heard to stay on top

4:23

of the program. The voice of

4:25

the President How it's changed since

4:27

October when it was a warm

4:29

embrace and Netanyahu and then this

4:31

kind of ultimatum that he delivered

4:33

to the Israeli Prime Minister in

4:35

a phone call about a week

4:37

ago. The President today strongly implies

4:40

may condition American military aid to

4:42

Israel on whether Netanyahu mason media

4:44

changes, Over humanitarian concerns in

4:46

Gaza including getting to a cease

4:48

fire Obviously a big turning point

4:51

with the killing of those World

4:53

Central Kitchen aid workers, but even

4:55

before them before last week. Why

4:58

do you think? We were starting

5:00

to see signs of. A

5:03

A gap widening between Washington

5:05

and the government in Jerusalem.

5:08

I think get a clearly

5:11

the the exponential rise of

5:13

Palestinian deaths. The

5:16

Humanitarian catastrophe. And

5:18

I think the world, a

5:20

central kitchen tragedy I think

5:23

is simply amplified and magnified.

5:25

Both. The President's opposition to

5:28

the way the Israelis are conducting

5:30

the war and. To. The

5:32

man who is conducting it. But

5:34

I I will make two additional

5:37

points: Number one: Allies characterized as

5:39

policy over the last six months

5:41

as passive aggressive. Us

5:44

until this very day. Despite.

5:46

The change in tone, Spied. To

5:48

change in rhetoric. Or the

5:51

biden ministration has been reluctant and has

5:53

not. Decided. As

5:56

of yet to impose a single.

5:59

Cost. Her cancer. Jonathan.

6:01

That you and I as

6:03

normal humans would consider significant

6:06

let alone severe pressure you

6:08

ministration has approach that point

6:11

by adopting a position. I'm

6:14

arguing that the threat of

6:16

leverage. We. Will judge our

6:18

policy in Gaza. Depending

6:21

on your performance, he's

6:23

put Benjamin Netanyahu on

6:25

probation. But. At the

6:27

same time, he's given him a

6:29

test. That. Is very

6:31

easy. A. Margarine for

6:34

the Israelis to pass. It's

6:36

a test linked not to

6:38

the application and a military

6:40

strategy on the exponential rise

6:42

of Palestinian deaths. It's a

6:44

test that. Revolves. Around

6:46

the issue of humanitarian assistance and

6:48

you now have had seen over

6:51

the last several days. Almost.

6:53

Five hundred trucks per day.

6:57

Get. Into Gaza. The

7:03

other dog that hasn't yet parked

7:05

which are having would definitely constrain

7:07

the degree to which this administration

7:10

has prepared to pressure Israel. Is.

7:13

If in fact, the Iranians may gay.

7:15

Strategic. Decision. To.

7:18

Respond to the killings

7:20

of Fum. Four.

7:22

Or five senior Iraqi See you

7:24

rock Iranian Revolution Guard Corps generals

7:26

President Biden Moon that Iran is

7:28

threatening to launch a significant attacks

7:31

after Israel struck the Iranian consulate

7:33

in Syria ten days ago. Mr.

7:35

Biden was speaking hours after the

7:37

Iranian Supreme Leader again said Israel

7:40

would be punished for the strikes

7:42

on it's consulate. Even fact,

7:44

the Iranians do this which

7:46

holds out the very real

7:48

prospects. Of a

7:51

direct counter strike. By.

7:53

Israel on Iran proper you could end

7:55

up with the one thing the Middle

7:58

East as never experienced before. Which.

8:00

Is a genuine regional. Competition.

8:03

That's going to ease tensions. Between.

8:06

Us and Israel. And

8:09

the President said america support Israel

8:11

in this situation in it's standoff

8:13

with Iran will be I am

8:15

clad and so even the as

8:17

they're all and attempt to escalate

8:19

the rhetoric in terms of it's

8:21

handling humanitarian aid in the fight

8:24

with Gaza. There is this promise,

8:26

full full solidarity and support I'm

8:28

had or key moments and the

8:30

administration has increase the pressure on

8:32

Israel One with this move which

8:34

a lot of people have been

8:36

saying would never happened which is

8:38

the Us. Withholding it's protected

8:40

veto the United Nations Security Council. Instead,

8:43

the the Us allowed through as it

8:45

were a resolution demanding an immediate ceasefire

8:47

In language that the United sent need

8:50

the administration not been using until then,

8:52

but I want to focus on one

8:54

big name is partly because of the

8:57

politics of it, and that's not something

8:59

the administration did All that gave it

9:01

it's kinds of blessing. And that was

9:04

his speech by Chuck Schumer, the Democratic

9:06

Majority leader in the Senate. The.

9:08

Us government. Should. Demand

9:10

that Israel conduct itself with

9:12

a future two state solution

9:14

in mind. We should not

9:16

be forced into a position

9:18

of unequivocally supporting the actions

9:20

of in Israeli government that

9:22

include bigots who reject the

9:24

idea of a Palestinian state.

9:27

Just. Explained quite the meaning of that

9:29

moment when he made his very

9:31

impassioned speech and in the floor

9:33

of the Senate denouncing Netanyahu and

9:35

saying they should be. Elections is

9:38

rough. I believe a new election.

9:40

Is. The only way to allow for

9:43

a healthy and open decision making

9:45

process about the future of Israel.

9:47

Lot. Of Israeli same were when you've lost

9:49

Chuck Schumer you're in a you've lost American

9:52

effect. Explained to listen is that was so

9:54

important and soon as particular link to his

9:56

watch I mean you You have one of

9:59

the most pro. Israeli politicians

10:01

arguably the highest elected

10:03

Jewish official in the

10:05

United States. basically of

10:08

criticizing. The. Prime Minister.

10:10

As long as governing Prime Minister and issue state

10:12

of Israel I think the Schumer Speech or. Was.

10:15

Significant not for what it produced, for what

10:18

it what it was selected. It

10:20

reflected the a strange man of them have.

10:22

Much of the mainstream democratic

10:24

party away from. The

10:27

Netanyahu government an he Israeli

10:29

policies toward the war in

10:31

also reflected the partisanship. That.

10:34

Has come to characterize what hadn't

10:36

has long been. A solid

10:38

and steadfast bipartisan commitment to

10:41

support for Israel. You know

10:43

him. Situation with the administration

10:45

is navigating a fine line

10:47

between the Republican party that

10:49

has emerged as the Israel

10:51

can do no Wrong parties

10:53

and a deeply divided democratic

10:55

party Progressives who are. Arguing

10:58

for significant. And.

11:00

Severe. Imposition.

11:02

Of costing consequences for Israeli

11:04

actions and more than a

11:06

few mainstream democrats. A new

11:09

letter signed by nearly forty Democratic

11:11

Congress members, including former House Speaker

11:13

Nancy Pelosi, urges the administration to

11:16

reconsider it's recent decision to authorize

11:18

a transfer venue arms package to

11:20

Israel, and to withhold future offensive

11:22

arms transfers until a full investigation

11:25

is complete and. Who for the

11:27

first timer? open we talking? About

11:30

conditioning or restricting Us military assistance.

11:32

But it it has produced a

11:35

downside and that it is is

11:37

opened up the opportunity for the

11:39

Republican Party's presumptive Republican nominee or

11:42

to capitalize on an already manipulative

11:44

Israel Israeli Prime Minister who is

11:46

is an Israeli Republican. We do

11:49

know that House Speaker Mike Johnson

11:51

I recently spoke over the phone

11:54

with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

11:56

would probably the biggest message that

11:58

the House. Speaker. Era him as

12:01

he wanted to show solidarity and

12:03

support for Israel and even.spoke about

12:05

plants the possibly invites the Israeli

12:07

prime minister a seer to D

12:09

C on Capitol Hill to speak

12:11

to a joint session of Congress.

12:14

Despicable thought the house and Senate.

12:16

but look, I don't think the

12:18

Schumer speech. Move the

12:20

needle. As. Much as maybe consumer

12:22

thought it was yes, the White

12:24

House pronounce the President said he

12:27

thought was a good speech and

12:29

reflects. Public concerns of

12:31

a certain aspects of Israeli policy didn't

12:33

move the needle much in Congress. The

12:35

reaction in Israel was actually underwhelming because

12:38

my was going to move on to

12:40

that was the link him to between

12:42

Biden Schumer and the point you made

12:45

about the democrats here a to be

12:47

pro Israel people Biden and Sumus the

12:49

question I was going off his to

12:52

what extent where they really are having

12:54

to operate politically that they were having

12:56

to uplift Kate's are you know address

12:58

that view The on. The left of

13:01

the party progressive Democrats who are much

13:03

much more critical on much more distant

13:05

from Israel. The neither of them. yes

13:07

we've talked about they sort of heart

13:10

and their convictions, but is this a

13:12

sign that that older generation the Bidens

13:14

and the humans or having to adapt

13:16

and adjust to is now a political?

13:19

a domestic political reality inside their own

13:21

path? To. Exile doubt Generational

13:23

changes to diverse diverse cities

13:25

in Congress or the growing

13:27

up said among young many

13:29

young Americans to well question

13:31

the value of finity, the

13:33

shared values between Israel and

13:35

the Not is and and

13:37

whether or not there's a

13:39

high coincidence have common interests

13:41

so there's no question. That.

13:44

Boasts humor and the president president

13:46

Facing an election that could be

13:48

decided by three or four states

13:50

and under one hundred thousand votes

13:52

the so called uncommitted Those democrats

13:54

who are. Basically. At

13:56

least have sent signals that they don't

13:59

know what their. Going to do on

14:01

November fifth. He certainly won't vote for

14:03

Donald Trump. but they may not vote.

14:05

and they may not vote as a

14:07

consequence of what they see as America's

14:09

acquiescence. And there was some forty thousand

14:11

of those on committees. Vote is in

14:13

the Wisconsin primary. That's a must win

14:15

state. Rights. It's not, it's

14:17

not just missing but I come back

14:20

to again. I have

14:22

still not seen. This.

14:24

Administration. Even in the

14:26

face of this political pressure and the fact

14:29

that the resident could lose. He

14:31

could lose to the presumptive nominee of

14:33

the Republican party. Which.

14:35

Would be a. Terrible

14:37

outcome for this republic. You're not naming

14:40

him, but your talk about Donald Trump.

14:42

Exactly our foreign policy. And.

14:44

Yet the President. Has. Still

14:46

six months in.

14:48

refused to. Pull.

14:51

Any. Of the levers. That he

14:54

has had from the beginning of this

14:56

conflict and pressure Israel. Number

15:00

One to restrict condition or

15:02

and military systems to his

15:04

room. Number Two: voting for

15:06

someone elses Un Security Council

15:08

resolution that as highly critical

15:10

of Israel, something the United

15:12

States. is that done since

15:14

Nineteen Eighty when it comes

15:16

to the Israeli Palestinian issue.

15:19

And the third lever which

15:21

the President has not yet

15:23

been willing to pull, which

15:25

is to abandon this notion

15:27

of Israeli Hamas negotiations and

15:29

simply call and tethered from

15:31

anything else. For

15:33

a comprehensive cessation of hostilities to

15:35

the question then is why images

15:38

you those of relievers? He could

15:40

pull it hurting him politically. that

15:42

is not. Why doesn't Biden do

15:44

it? His support not bring it

15:46

in yeah. But for his Id

15:48

and conception of Israel and for

15:51

Israeli security is so deeply imprinted.

15:53

On. His emotional and his

15:56

political. Dna. And

15:58

and by the way, His his. A

16:00

new series in the in the Senate. Has.

16:02

Is convinced him that this is

16:04

good for America. Is good

16:07

politics and it's good policy. Does Joe

16:09

Biden want to make a point in

16:11

this war? Or. Does he

16:13

want to make a difference?

16:15

There is no way he

16:17

can change the pictures in

16:20

Gaza. Surgeon A mere A

16:22

Humanitarian Assistance free the hostages

16:24

d Escalating the Israeli military

16:26

campaign, let alone his hopes.

16:28

And they're still actively planning.

16:31

For an Israeli Saudi regional

16:33

deal. Involving. The

16:35

Palestinians and support for a Palestinian state.

16:37

There is no way he can do

16:39

any of this. If he

16:42

chooses. To. Willfully

16:44

break. And

16:46

renounce. This. Israeli government.

16:49

And the Israeli public who

16:51

support continued military operations. Against

16:54

Hamas. He knows he's got a sort

16:56

of be in it to win. It

16:58

is gonna have a relationship with Israel

17:00

if he's gonna get any progress on

17:02

those things. but just a just on

17:05

the other side of the the the,

17:07

the the dynamic the other end of

17:09

the telescope if you'd like. People are

17:11

very used to hearing is have described

17:13

as being reliant dependent on the United

17:15

States is that America is Israel's number

17:17

one ally. Why then took it out?

17:19

Can you explain how the prime minister

17:22

of the country that is dependent on.

17:24

The United States for it's arms as

17:26

well as a whole lot of other

17:28

stuff, is not complying with these requests.

17:30

Why is Netanyahu stitch thumbing his nose?

17:33

and much worse? As a country on

17:35

which he depends. It's. It's

17:37

an existential issue. maybe for the

17:39

people of Israel, for the country

17:42

visual, but he, his exact existential

17:44

issue is about him. The pressure

17:46

on Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

17:49

to call an early election has

17:51

now spread to his own cabinet,

17:53

with anti Netanyahu protesters now stamping

17:56

outside the Israeli parliament. It's about

17:58

maintaining powered all cry. That that

18:00

is turned a risk averse. Benjamin

18:02

Netanyahu, which is the Benjamin that

18:04

you have all the one that

18:06

biden. Said i you know

18:08

I love you baby but I can. I

18:11

don't agree with a damn thing you are

18:13

saying that's gone. It's now the

18:15

risk ready. Benjamin Netanyahu, The desperate

18:17

Benjamin Netanyahu The the Benjamin that

18:19

know that is prepared. To

18:22

put his own political survival. Above

18:26

the best interests of his

18:28

country, and certainly. Eerie

18:30

ear is prepared to do that. He's.

18:32

Also prepared. To

18:34

risk, Significantly risk. His.

18:37

Relationship: Israel's Relationship. With.

18:39

United States and as public as

18:41

standing up to an American president

18:43

plays well with his base and

18:46

plays well with the ultra nationalist

18:48

when of his coalition and and

18:50

their supporters out in the country.

18:52

Stupid. He actually wants to see

18:54

Joe Biden, Sale and even school

18:56

because of those voters we've them

18:58

talking about in Michigan and Wisconsin.

19:00

young voters abandoning and does nothing

19:02

else think he will get better

19:04

treatment from a returns Donald Trump

19:06

and eg, I'm defense Would you

19:08

think he thinks. That and if he

19:11

does, is it delusional for him to

19:13

be thinking that I'm A that is

19:15

or would get a better deal from

19:17

a reelected Returns Donald Trump. I

19:20

look, I think they're to politicians

19:22

in the Middle East that have

19:24

made calculations and pets when it

19:26

comes to whether a democratic president

19:29

one Joe Biden. Who.

19:31

Is now roundly criticized personally.

19:33

Both Mohammed bill been some

19:35

on Ak Mbs and lol.

19:39

Has. Shown nothing but distaste and

19:41

displeasure. For. Benjamin Button knitting.

19:43

Yeah, I don't know whether either

19:45

of these two. Politicians.

19:48

Believe they could get a

19:50

better deal. I think they

19:52

understand that they would face.

19:55

A. President. Who.

19:57

Has. Elevated the notion of America first.

20:00

Two. Or and standard goes

20:02

beyond any any of his

20:04

successors and someone who is

20:06

just not interested. Other

20:09

than driven by his own

20:11

personal vanity. And business

20:13

interests. In what

20:15

happens in Israel or Saudi Arabia?

20:17

I think Pad Donald Trump and

20:20

President October Seven. I

20:22

don't think there would have been a

20:24

scintilla and an odor of a humanitarian

20:26

assistance there. Might have been concerned for

20:29

the six American hostages. But.

20:31

I I doubt if Donald Trump would give

20:33

a damn about the rest. And

20:36

they would be no concern about

20:38

settlement activity, no concern about human

20:40

rights and and and B S's

20:42

repression in Saudi Arabia. But.

20:44

I think in the back of both of their minds.

20:47

Ah Joe Biden in in ways speed

20:50

bump. And they

20:52

would be better served by a laissez

20:54

faire president. Who.

20:57

Could care less about international standards

20:59

and conventions when it came to

21:01

human rights. And. Much

21:03

less concerned beyond his

21:05

own business, Purposes.

21:08

In that case of Israel, his the fact

21:10

that he fashions himself the most pro Israeli

21:12

president, the history of the universe beyond his

21:14

own vanity. I'm.

21:18

Hearing and your voice some degree

21:20

of frustration, even bafflement at the

21:23

conduct of this really sit by

21:25

The current administration adds to says

21:27

what you think the impact of

21:29

of the stance the job I

21:31

mistaken either some you say it's

21:33

a disaster is it makes America

21:36

look weak the the issues these

21:38

demands or please of Israel that

21:40

are them ignored and others in

21:42

a Jon Stewart's this weekend a

21:44

among many saying that he makes

21:46

America looked hypocritical because it's. He

21:49

has one position on Ukraine where

21:51

he denounces what Russia's doing and

21:54

him than this of as he

21:56

completely different situation but somehow it

21:58

a siding with. Israel

22:00

when it is engaged in military

22:03

operations in the next to tension

22:05

and officer different interests. But the

22:07

accusation that it looks week he

22:09

looks hypocritical. What do you think

22:12

he is? The impact of the

22:14

Joe Biden position, the bottom ministration

22:16

position on the Israel Hamas war.

22:19

I mean, it's all that and more. But

22:21

I have to say looking back we

22:23

plotted to longest war in American history.

22:26

Define. International Conventions.

22:29

We killed scores of thousands.

22:32

Of Iraqis and Afghans innocence

22:34

not combatants. Gorgeous. Thousand spreads

22:36

more. And I

22:38

was told we would never lead again

22:40

in the wake of Afghanistan and the

22:42

perceived betrayal of the Afghan people, I

22:45

was told we were never really, we'd never lead

22:47

again and then guess what? While.

22:49

Reporting: Invade Ukraine. And

22:52

the administration like to the incomplete

22:54

grade the semester clearly as over.

22:57

But. I think by any standards. Joe.

22:59

Biden was capable of standing

23:01

up and persuading. Key.

23:04

Elements. Of the international community. To.

23:07

Stand with him. In. An effort

23:09

to support Ukraine. So. The

23:11

question is yes, we've taken a

23:13

terrible reputation of hit. And

23:16

the impact the trauma pretty on

23:18

the Palestinian side in the wake

23:21

of our acquiescence in Israeli. Actions.

23:24

He will follow the United States for

23:27

a long time to com. We're.

23:30

Still America. With. All

23:32

of our imperfections with all of

23:34

our transgressions with all of our hypocrisy

23:36

is. It. May well be.

23:39

That. The United States will be able.

23:42

Assuming it's willing. And.

23:45

It should be risk ready on this. To.

23:48

Fasten. Over. Time.

23:52

A. Better pathway for Israelis and

23:54

Palestinians. I certainly hope so

23:56

because to surrender to the

23:58

forces of hopelessness and despair.

24:00

To me, the United States

24:02

simply as enabled acquiesced. In

24:05

a conflict that is gonna leave. Both

24:07

sides traumatized. I

24:10

simply I'm not prepared to accept. It

24:13

and I understand. The.

24:15

Way people feel about the United States. But

24:18

I also know. That. Under

24:20

the right leadership, the United States

24:22

can actually do things that are

24:24

quite consequential, and I'm. Good.

24:28

Without. A least offers a glimmer

24:30

of hope. Thank you for that.

24:32

Before we let you go, we

24:34

do like to ask our guess

24:37

a what else Christian something a

24:39

little bit different. This week, Britain's

24:41

Foreign Secretary, former Prime Minister David

24:43

Cameron made the journey to Palm

24:46

Beach, Florida tomorrow Largo to meet

24:48

the former and possibly future President

24:50

Donald Trump. It was part of

24:52

the strategy to an attempt to

24:54

unlock us aid to Ukraine. Donald

24:57

Trump has been. Behind

24:59

the scenes are orchestrating the Republican

25:01

blocked on that. Yeah how did

25:03

it go to think I'm do

25:05

we give? What do student David

25:07

Cameron would have had with Donald

25:09

Trump? None Number One

25:11

and number two. He becomes

25:14

a assorted a piece on

25:16

the chessboard. That. Donald

25:19

Trump and his minions can continue

25:21

to manipulate. You see

25:23

ya, there are respected. Liters

25:26

of countries that are important the

25:28

United States that made the pilgrimage.

25:30

I don't know why camera did

25:32

this out of curiosity. The.

25:35

Sort of. Maybe by carries a

25:37

vicarious interest in. In

25:39

in seen. In

25:42

a wedding who Donald Trump is

25:44

now. I can imagine

25:47

the David Cameron believes he somehow

25:49

hedging his bets and that should

25:51

the presumptive nominee either hogan party

25:54

become president. Said. Somehow Britain

25:56

is going. He gets. Some.

25:58

Sort of special treat. Because.

26:00

He made He made the yeah. The.

26:03

Pilgrimage to the not so holy land?

26:05

I don't know the answer to that

26:07

is it puzzled me and I will

26:09

I wondered I I turned to questioned

26:11

my British friends did ask them. Why?

26:14

Did he do this? Well That is

26:16

a good question. I think there are

26:18

some people are both sides of the

26:20

Atlantic asking that question by air on.

26:22

David Miller am wise ahead on long

26:24

have long experience on these matters. Thanks

26:26

so much that I'm to me of

26:28

Politics Weekly America Jonathan Thanks Thanks so

26:31

much for having. And

26:34

that's all for me. So this week,

26:36

the Us is not the only country

26:38

grappling with how to deal with the

26:41

war in Gaza. On this week's episode

26:43

of Politics Weekly Uk, my colleague John

26:45

Harris is joined by the former peace

26:48

negotiator Daniel Levy to discuss whether there

26:50

is a pathway to end the conflict.

26:52

John also speaks to the Guardians Pippa

26:55

crap Patrick Wintour about the politics and

26:57

dealing with this issue of his new

26:59

braces itself to host the first ever

27:02

criminal trial As a former. All

27:04

sitting Us President on Thursdays have

27:06

cent of our sister podcast Today

27:08

in Focus. My colleague Hugo Low

27:10

explains the stakes for Donald Trump

27:12

has he appears in court over

27:14

alleged payments made to the adult

27:16

film performer Stormy Daniels in the

27:19

run up to the Twenty Sixty.

27:22

Do you search for both of

27:25

those were had a few. Give

27:27

your podcasts the for now it's

27:29

goodbyes. The producer is Daniel Stephen.

27:31

Stick to producer Mass Uptown. I'm.

27:33

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