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Hello and welcome back to the iHeart podcast

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we're show we might be talking about that week,

1:07

and today is.

1:08

Going to be a really fun one.

1:09

I actually was reading the description I've listened

1:11

to several episodes of this podcast, but I love

1:13

show descriptions.

1:15

This one takes you back to the moment.

1:17

There's a huge nostalgia play here.

1:19

I'm just going to read a little bit of it. It tells you to

1:21

grab your Motorola brick phone. Everybody

1:23

remembers having one of those. Leave a code on your

1:25

best friend's beeper so you can figure out which spice

1:27

girl you both are.

1:28

I'll reveal mine at the end of this interview.

1:30

Each episode will.

1:31

Rival the feeling of taking out the cartridge

1:33

from your game boy, blowing on it and popping

1:36

it back in. Did that many many times.

1:38

Best of all, it's available anywhere you get podcasts.

1:40

You don't have to worry about showing up at a Blockbuster

1:43

to find out you missed the last

1:45

one. More fun than frosted tips and fun

1:47

dip. It's so cheesy and wonderful. I love

1:49

that show description. The show is called Hey Dude,

1:52

the nineties, called David Lasher Christine

1:54

Taylor.

1:54

Thank you guys for joining us today.

1:56

We're so happy to be here. I was laughing

1:59

listening to you eat that back.

2:01

So it's so terrible and wonderful

2:03

at the same time. Isn't it any frosted tips

2:05

in the audience here? By the way, David, did you have the frosted

2:07

tips?

2:08

I might have in the nineties, not

2:11

today.

2:11

But you I can't remember.

2:13

I mean, you definitely didn't on our show, but

2:16

I mean that was the beginning of all of

2:18

it.

2:18

That was when you know highlights, the frosted

2:20

tips.

2:21

I remember them.

2:22

I might have actually gone and done it once or

2:24

twice, but it's good to be here with you will

2:26

and yeah, that was a great description.

2:29

Yep.

2:29

And we've advanced a few years since then. Before we

2:31

hopped on here, we're all talking about college

2:33

touring with our kids. So times have changed

2:35

a little bit. But let's go back in time. That's the

2:37

best part of this full show is the nostalgia

2:40

piece. Obviously you both met as teenagers

2:42

when you're on the show. Hey dude on Nickelodeon

2:44

to this day still has this cult like following.

2:47

That's one of my favorite parts about some shows

2:49

like this where people still gravitate

2:51

to it.

2:52

Maybe let's just start with that.

2:53

Christine, I'll tsk to you first, like, is it

2:55

surprising to you that there

2:57

is still such.

2:58

A loyal following for this show?

3:00

And a fan base that just loves to look back

3:02

on it and talk about it and think about it.

3:04

What's your take on that.

3:05

David and I talk about this a lot as we've gotten

3:08

back together to do this, but it's

3:10

it is beyond surprising for

3:13

us because we were shooting this show in

3:15

the middle of Tucson, Arizona.

3:17

You know, nineteen eighty nine to nineteen

3:19

ninety.

3:19

One, we were in a bubble, you know, we didn't

3:21

there was no social media that we had.

3:23

No real access to the outside world.

3:26

And when the show started to air, it was this little

3:28

cable show on Nickelodeon, so you weren't

3:30

getting any sort of immediate feedback

3:32

on how the show was doing, how

3:35

it was received, if people were watching, And

3:37

you know, we knew while we were shooting it

3:39

had developed a sort of sweet following

3:42

as we sort of went into the world and the show started

3:44

to air it. But all of these years later, it's

3:47

nothing we ever expected, and we

3:49

have some real serious fans.

3:51

There's another podcast called.

3:53

Yay Dude, which doesn't

3:55

push does an episode by episode recap,

3:58

and I have yet to listen to that,

4:00

but just the fact that that exists,

4:03

to me just really speaks volumes

4:05

to our fans and how important the show

4:07

is to them as young kids.

4:09

Yeah, I love it.

4:10

And you know, one of the things that we saw, especially

4:12

over the past few years living

4:14

through a difficult time everyone has,

4:16

is there's been a real gravitation

4:19

toward things that are nostalgic

4:21

and things that make us think of happier

4:23

times and things that make us feel good. So

4:26

obviously this show has carried that momentum

4:28

since its earlier days, but at the same time,

4:30

it does feel like there's a moment now where we're

4:32

craving things like this. We do need something

4:35

to make a smile on. This nostalgia for the

4:37

nineties is so strong and so fun to

4:39

think about. But let's go back to that period

4:41

of time when you're a teenager, David, I'll

4:43

toss to you talk to us a little bit about what

4:45

this was like, this experience being on the show

4:48

as you two met, but also just generally being

4:50

on the show as a teenager.

4:51

What do you think about when you think back to that time.

4:53

Oh, I mean, I have the best memories

4:56

of that time. It was the second half of my junior

4:58

year in high school, living in Tucson.

5:01

I believe I was being tutored, But Christine,

5:03

did you you weren't being tutored on I had.

5:05

To finish senior year there.

5:07

Yeah, I had to finish last for months,

5:10

but I had already the college stuff had already been done,

5:12

so it was really kind of phoning it in at

5:14

that point. But as a technicality, yes, they

5:16

made me take some tests.

5:18

Right, But after those first round of episodes

5:20

and I was tutoring, you were not.

5:22

And I remember you laying.

5:23

At the pool and I'd be in this in

5:25

the schoolroom, like oh man.

5:27

But it was so much fun.

5:29

We were like a family out there, and like Christine

5:31

said, we were in a bubble really like we were

5:33

working hard.

5:34

I don't know.

5:35

We've worked several days in a row with one day off and

5:37

then several days in a row, and we just.

5:39

Loved the work. I mean, we had amazing writers.

5:41

Graham Yos, you know right after Hey Dude went

5:43

on and he wrote Speed and then became, you know,

5:45

amazing writer, successful writer. We

5:48

just interviewed Lisa Malamad on our

5:50

first episode, who went on to do amazing things.

5:52

So it was a time before social

5:55

media.

5:55

Before streamers, and when kids

5:58

didn't have Snapchat or any that was their

6:00

own, and Nickelodeon really this was

6:02

their first scripted comedy series,

6:05

and so looking back, it's not

6:07

surprising that the kids that were in

6:09

that right age range, you know, six seven

6:11

to twelve thirteen, If you were

6:14

that age in nineteen ninety, this show meant

6:16

a lot to you.

6:17

It was like yours.

6:18

They claimed it as their own and we

6:20

worked hard, but we bonded hard and

6:22

we had so much fun.

6:23

Oh that's awesome. I love thinking about it. And

6:25

you're right.

6:26

I was twelve at the time, and it did

6:28

feel like one of those shows that appealed

6:30

to a pretty wide age range. Though

6:32

that was just sort of the sweet spirit and playful

6:34

nature of the whole thing. And I don't know, I mean,

6:36

I'm guessing that was intentional. But when

6:38

you were making the show, like in your minds, who

6:41

did it feel like the audience was? Was it

6:43

just like any kids could come to the show? Like, what

6:45

was your take on that, Christine, I'll toss to you

6:47

on that one.

6:47

Well, you know, I think because as

6:50

David mentioned, we had such terrific

6:52

writers who took it so seriously.

6:54

I mean, you know, it wasn't like.

6:56

We were all sort of slacking off, saying, oh,

6:58

this is just on Nickelodeon, no one's going to see it.

7:00

I think we really felt like we were making

7:02

some cool stuff out there,

7:05

you know. I mean we took it very seriously.

7:07

I mean there's some outtakes that I kind of

7:09

cringe looking back on myself of how how

7:12

seriously I took it at seventeen years old,

7:14

like getting really annoyed with a cast member

7:16

for not remembering his.

7:17

Lines, or are your wardrobe?

7:20

Yes? And my wardrobe? I really

7:22

can look back.

7:23

But I think we sort of felt like we

7:25

were trying to create episodes

7:27

that worked for teenagers our age.

7:29

Yeah yeah.

7:30

And then because there.

7:31

Was the younger boy on the show, you

7:33

know, who played the owner's son, it could

7:35

appeal to the younger kids, but you

7:37

know, our adult, the mister Ernest Dave

7:39

Brisbane of the show, was sort of like a Shakespearean

7:42

trained, you know, a

7:44

multiple degree like like MFAs

7:46

and acting, and you know, boy

7:49

did he take it seriously too.

7:51

You know, work is work.

7:52

So I think we sort of were hoping that we

7:54

would appeal to more than just little kids,

7:57

and you know, it turns out we did have a little

7:59

bit of a wider audience.

8:00

So we thought absolutely, let's

8:19

talk about fast forwarding too. More recently,

8:21

when you guys decided to do the show, you

8:24

were co hosting another one of our hip

8:26

podcasts, nine two one OMG. Talk about

8:28

some good nostalgia there as well. Let's

8:30

talk about how the idea for the podcast came together.

8:32

First of all, what was it like co hosting an episode

8:35

there and then deciding to do this, David.

8:37

Yeah, Jenny and Tory asked me to come on

8:39

their nine O two one OMG podcast.

8:42

We recapped my first episode

8:44

and it was great. I mean, it was so cool

8:46

to like go back and remember

8:49

the filming of that episode. I had just moved

8:51

to LA and nine O two one zero was exploding

8:54

like nothing I'd ever seen and to be a part

8:56

of that. I did three episodes, but it was

8:58

really cool to look back on it. And then Tory

9:01

was out one day and Jenny and

9:03

their producer Amy asked me to co

9:05

host with Jenny. And then I'd been working

9:08

with a company called Group nine Media and they

9:10

were getting into the podcast space. So we

9:12

had this deck and I had this idea

9:14

of looking back on a decade rather than

9:16

a single show. So when I

9:19

formed a friendship with Amy, we talked

9:21

about it and I showed her the deck.

9:23

She said, I want you to have a female co host. Give

9:25

me a list of names of

9:27

people that you'd like to co host with. And I gave

9:29

her a list of names of people that I had worked with

9:31

or I was friends with relevant in the nineties,

9:34

and she immediately targeted Christine

9:36

and she said, Okay, if you get Christine, I

9:38

think we can sell the show. So, I

9:40

mean, we've told this story, but for the purpose of

9:42

this, I started calling her or texting

9:44

her and emailing her, and I

9:46

think I scared her to death.

9:48

Christie, you could figure it up.

9:49

For five minutes. I mean, this was we

9:52

have all come back together as the Hate

9:54

Dude Cast.

9:54

We had a reunion in Austin, like

9:57

in twenty fourteen at the

9:59

TV festival there, and so we all reconnected.

10:01

We were on multiple group chats,

10:03

so right after that we were all in touch a

10:06

lot. But then you know, life goes on again,

10:08

and you and I hadn't. It had been a couple

10:10

of years.

10:10

Since we had day.

10:12

So I see a text from

10:14

David just saying, hey, can you call me?

10:15

Then I see a missed call.

10:17

Then there's an email like he tried every

10:20

like four minutes on a Thursday.

10:22

Night, I'm sorry, and it worked.

10:24

It worked. I said, what is happening?

10:27

Is everything okay? Oh that's

10:29

fantastic, And then he pitched me the idea.

10:31

What was your initial impression.

10:33

Listen our friendship, our relationship.

10:35

I mean, I feel like we know each

10:37

other so well, even though there were a lot of

10:39

you know, missed decades in there, over the years

10:42

of not being close, those formative

10:44

years where we just were all growing

10:47

up and figuring it out. I have such love

10:49

in my heart. And as soon as David called and pitched

10:51

me the idea, and I'm sure we'll talk about this a little

10:53

more, but just hearing the word podcast to

10:56

me interestingly, and this is sort

10:58

of a joke in our household, is you know, Ben,

11:00

My husband is a huge podcast listener

11:02

and every years has been sending me links

11:04

of things to listen to. And I was like, yeah, I'm

11:07

just not in my car that often, you know, sort of not

11:09

quite getting on the technical train of figuring

11:12

out how to get it all done.

11:13

But I'd started to listen to a few and

11:15

when David's.

11:16

A podcast and listen, I'm

11:18

working as an actor still, but I'm

11:20

also a full time mom. You know, I'm

11:23

getting trying to get my kid through the rest

11:25

of high school surviving.

11:26

I hope he can survive it. And just the thought

11:29

when David pitched it of like, how about we look back.

11:31

We can sort of take it as a you

11:33

know, use our.

11:34

Show as a sort of launching pad to

11:36

this sort of way into the nineties and our

11:38

experience on the show and everything

11:41

that happened to us sort of from them forward.

11:43

In that decade.

11:44

And I just thought, nothing sounds

11:46

more enjoyable to me to

11:48

just talk to you, David, to see

11:50

you every week, that it's a podcast that I don't

11:53

have to be in wardrobe or hair and

11:55

makeup, or have an early call time, or

11:57

it doesn't take out.

11:59

Your entire day of work. I just thought

12:01

nothing sounds better to

12:03

me than doing that.

12:04

So and and you know, I'm sort of comically

12:07

a person that says no to a lot of things.

12:08

I was like, why not.

12:12

We're certainly glad you did.

12:14

And it's interesting how common a refrain

12:16

that is among those especially.

12:18

Coming out of your field, your industry,

12:20

where you're.

12:21

So used to having to think so much about

12:23

the wardrobe, so much about hair and makeup,

12:25

about getting ready to be on set, and just

12:27

being able to literally roll out of bed

12:29

and say I'm going to go to sit down and

12:31

record. I mean, the funniest version of this the

12:33

podcast that we do the rewatch of Scrubs with

12:36

Zach and Donald, where Donald just unapologetically

12:38

is in his closet with all his clothes around him,

12:40

and sometimes we're on video for clips and he's.

12:42

Like, no, I want this all in here.

12:44

But there was something so real

12:47

And sometimes we overuse the word intimate

12:49

in podcasting, but it's true, like there is something

12:51

so real about it that, especially

12:54

during COVID or during the early

12:56

part of the pandemic, when you had a situation

12:58

where that's where we all were, it just felt like,

13:00

no, this is actually real access

13:03

to the people. I mean, David, maybe I'll toss to

13:05

you on that. What is it about podcasting

13:07

for you that is so appealing as the

13:09

way to tell these stories that you guys are

13:11

telling.

13:12

Well.

13:12

I have been a huge podcast

13:14

listener for several years, and

13:17

I love that you can have an

13:19

hour long interview and have conversations

13:22

that go much deeper than you know, a

13:24

late night talk show. You know what what

13:26

audiences are used to is a

13:29

planned interview with a pre screened

13:31

bunch of questions, a couple of planned

13:33

jokes.

13:34

Right.

13:34

But what I love about the podcast that I listened

13:37

to is that I learned things about the

13:39

guests, and I've become attached to the hosts

13:41

and their personalities in a much deeper

13:43

way. So to look

13:45

back at the nineties, you

13:48

know, Christina and I have found that like six

13:50

degrees of separation to almost everyone

13:53

we've interviewed. I mean, we have a list of guests

13:55

that could go on for years. I mean I

13:57

love how you can you can go much

13:59

deeper than and what audiences

14:01

are traditionally used to.

14:19

I love that when you mentioned the six degrees, although

14:22

between the two of you, I mean a huge

14:25

part of that. I love looking at the list.

14:27

There's such a nostalgia piece just looking at the

14:29

list of the shows that the two

14:31

of you were on. When you look at it, Blossoms,

14:34

Save by the Bell Friends, Beverly Hills nine

14:36

two one zero, Seinfeld.

14:37

The Wedding Singer, Sabrina, the Teenage Way.

14:39

I mean, it's just like you name the list, it's like the

14:41

greatest fits from the era. Maybe talk

14:44

a little bit about some of the guests that have been on so

14:46

far and some thoughts on moments

14:48

from that.

14:48

Christine, Can I talk to you on that one?

14:50

Sure?

14:51

I mean, I feel like we've really hit the jackpot

14:54

with so many of our guests and we've been

14:56

so fortunate and Dave, I don't know if there's

14:58

maybe one or two that.

14:59

We haven't known at all.

14:59

Me Lisa Loebe, I didn't really know, but

15:01

knew of but you know, whether one of us

15:04

has known the person or worked with them. I mean

15:06

our reunions that we started with with

15:08

the getting the sort of Brady Bunch cast together

15:11

a White Squall reunion, which, by the way, was

15:13

I think our third episode, and

15:15

Jeff Bridges came on and

15:19

just tore it up.

15:20

It was I mean, watch Getting to Witness

15:22

that.

15:22

Was pretty stellar, you know, Ben

15:25

Stiller, Jason Priestley, Elizabeth

15:27

Berkeley. I mean, we've had incredible guests that

15:30

have been able to tell us stories

15:32

of the nineties that, interestingly,

15:35

for as diverse a group as

15:37

we've had, so many people's

15:39

experiences have been very similar.

15:42

I mean, especially for the people who

15:44

transplanted to LA or had

15:46

lived in LA for that period of time, as

15:48

most of us did then, because that's really where all

15:51

the work was. You know, someone would say

15:53

a restaurant in the nineties, and that keeps

15:55

coming.

15:55

You know, Ed de Bevick's came up the other day, David,

15:57

and Oh my gosh, ed.

15:59

Me memories of these places and

16:01

the restaurants and the bars and the hangouts.

16:04

So it's a shared experience. And

16:06

I feel like being able to, as

16:08

David sort of intimated, is, getting

16:11

a longer period of time with the guest

16:13

is so wonderful because then you can go

16:16

on a tangent and really lean

16:18

into that tangent and it may not

16:20

have been on any of our notes or a planned

16:22

question or any of it, and suddenly

16:24

we're into this incredible sort of story

16:27

or sort of sidebar, but that becomes

16:29

sort of the focal point of the interview, and

16:32

I don't think you get that anywhere else in

16:34

interviews.

16:35

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. You just feel

16:37

that in those conversations. It's pretty fantastic

16:40

hearing all of those. Are there any reunions

16:43

or other shows that you've been thinking about

16:45

more recently, like you know what, we should.

16:46

Get this crew together, David. Any

16:49

thoughts from you on that? You know, the reunion shows

16:51

were great.

16:51

We started, you know, like we got to get

16:53

all our friends in here, and the Brady Bunch reunion

16:56

was amazing. I learned so much stuff about the

16:58

making of those movies. Yeah, stories

17:00

about Christine looking at the contracts

17:02

and finding out what everyone was getting paid,

17:04

and then the White Squall

17:07

reunion. But like a good example is Scott

17:09

Wolf after the White Squall reunion

17:12

emailed me. He's like, I'm sorry I was late. I

17:14

don't feel like I got to share as much as I

17:16

wanted to. Can I come back as my

17:18

own guest? And then we had Scott on for

17:21

an hour, you know, and he told amazing stories

17:23

about how Party of.

17:24

Five came to be.

17:25

I mean, there's about like Christine was in

17:27

his experience in la he worked as an extra

17:29

and Party of Five had been pitched as like a

17:32

frat house with no parents and they didn't know

17:34

how the parents were gone, and all.

17:35

These amazing stories.

17:37

So I prefer having a single guest the

17:39

same reasons that I had just.

17:41

Mentioned to you. Just a great deep dive on

17:43

that, I think, Yeah, exact.

17:44

Fantastic And speaking of one single

17:46

guest, Christine, I'm curious, was this the first

17:48

time that you interviewed Ben or

17:51

had you interviewed him before for any other It.

17:53

Was our first interview. It

17:56

went very well.

17:57

I mean I've said it on the podcast as

18:00

well, but Ben is definitely.

18:01

Our number one fan.

18:04

It really is.

18:05

I mean he's the first to sort of repost everything

18:07

on social media that was awesome in my

18:10

life, to reach out and say great pod, great

18:12

pod story.

18:14

But I said to him beforehand too, I

18:16

was like, I know, David wants to hear like a

18:18

lot of good stories about the movies and the

18:20

stuff I already know about, but we really want

18:22

to ask you about a lot of your failures.

18:25

That's part of my new thing.

18:26

We're interviewing all of these really incredibly

18:29

successful, talented people, and

18:31

none of these people were overnight successes,

18:34

you know, so I'd love to hear the stories about

18:36

what audition did you bomb? What was the

18:38

one you wanted to get that you didn't get, you

18:40

know? And we got some good dirt

18:42

out of them. There were some that I hadn't heard before.

18:44

Oh that's pretty hilarious. You'll

18:46

have to tell him when we were So this was years

18:48

ago. My son was probably like

18:51

three at the time, so not a ton of

18:53

exposure to celebrity, but had

18:55

seen Sesame Street and so it's so funny

18:57

when you think of celebrities that have been on different

19:00

shows and different things. And so we see

19:02

just on a random street corner, Ben is over

19:04

there, and my son looks over and says,

19:06

it's the cheese because he had.

19:08

Been the cheese in your neighborhood.

19:10

And I was like, neighborhood,

19:13

Yeah, the whole body of work and the cheese

19:15

is how my son.

19:18

Cheese?

19:18

Oh it was. It was so good.

19:20

So before I let you both go, just as we

19:22

think about the show and what it means for

19:24

fans.

19:24

I think it's brought such joy to fans to think

19:27

back on it.

19:27

What both of you hope listeners will take

19:29

away from the show after they listen to a good

19:32

half hour forty five minutes of the show.

19:34

What's your hope for listeners.

19:35

I hope that our listeners have a

19:38

fun, nostalgic hour where

19:40

they can just kind of, you know, tune everything

19:42

out and take a trip back to whatever

19:44

guests we have, the stories that they share,

19:47

the insights. There's some inspirational

19:50

stories as well. Like Christine said, you know,

19:52

Ben Steeler wasn't born Ben Stiller,

19:54

you know, movie star director. There were

19:56

times where he was running

19:59

around New York auditioning. I think it's

20:01

inspiring and I hope people can

20:03

tune out the world and just enjoy

20:06

and have a relaxing, nostalgic

20:08

hour with us.

20:09

Yeah, that's terrific. How about you, Christine?

20:11

Yeah, I think just to sort of piggyback

20:13

on what David said, I hope that we can

20:15

not to again overuse the word, as you said,

20:18

well intimate, but like having this experience

20:20

where we can, like you said, David,

20:23

to take people back, that little

20:25

trip down memory lane, you know, almost

20:27

just slow things down, because

20:29

I think that is the one thing that we've

20:31

all.

20:31

Said, even seeing it.

20:32

Through our kids eyes, of how fast

20:35

everything is moving, and like what's the next

20:37

thing, what's the next thing, and you know, to just invite

20:39

people into just sort of let's

20:42

just sort of take this trip down memory lane

20:44

and you know, remember the way things

20:47

used to be.

20:47

And as we talked about early on our kids.

20:49

I don't know about your kids, but my daughter has been listening

20:52

and there have been some guests that she didn't really she

20:54

didn't know Alisa Donovan because she hasn't

20:56

seen Clueless.

20:57

Now she's going to be twenty one this weekend, and she

20:59

was loan away. She's like, Alisa Donovan

21:02

is my news. I got to watch Clueless.

21:04

I'm getting her book.

21:06

So I believe we have a

21:08

whole new generation to you

21:10

know, to find in our

21:12

show as well.

21:13

Yeah, I couldn't agree more.

21:15

It does exactly what both of you just described,

21:17

and that's one of the things we try to do in podcasting

21:20

is give people a bit of an escape and

21:22

with the right kind of show to give them a reason

21:24

to smile. And I really doubt that anyone

21:26

listens to this show and doesn't walk

21:29

away feeling better than when they did

21:31

when they started listening to it. So for that,

21:33

I know you're both busy people, but I really

21:35

appreciate what you do.

21:37

In bringing this podcast to the world.

21:38

I know a ton of our own staff loves listening

21:41

to every single episode and the fans do as

21:43

well. So just wanted to say thanks for spending

21:45

some time with us, and I hope all of our listeners

21:47

and viewers here today will check it out. Hey dude

21:49

the nineties called it is so much fun you

21:52

won't regret it. But Christine David, thanks for

21:54

spending some time with us.

21:55

Thank you, Will.

21:56

This was great. Thanks Will. Yeah, we couldn't have a better

21:58

partner. AO you guys.

21:59

Well, thanks for it again today. We'll see you guys

22:01

again next week. Take Care.

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