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2:02

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2:05

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2:07

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this is Darae. All right. We're going to

2:16

kick off today really getting into this

2:19

case, Darae's case,

2:22

which I mean,

2:24

Darae, I feel like since I've known you, which has

2:26

been years, this case has been

2:29

sort of pending, going back and

2:31

forth, Court of Appeals,

2:34

Louisiana State Supreme Court, now the

2:36

Supreme Court. But the

2:38

latest ruling, which I still have

2:40

a hard time, like I'm

2:43

reading it and I'm sure,

2:45

Darae, this is even worse

2:47

for you since you're named in the case.

2:50

I'm reading it, but I can't, it

2:53

just, it's not

2:55

computing to me. It really is

2:57

wild that you

3:00

can be held liable for organizing a

3:02

protest. Like it's just, I

3:04

don't understand. So can you sort of

3:06

walk us through what is

3:09

happening and also just sort of what you can

3:11

tell us and sort of the

3:13

lead up to this? And I've actually, you know, I've

3:15

heard it from friends of ours that were with you

3:17

that day, but I've actually never heard it from you.

3:20

So in 2016, I went

3:22

down to support the protests that

3:25

were a response to the killing of Alton Sterling

3:27

and Baton Rouge, incredible organizers put it together. I

3:29

went down to support. There were a group of

3:31

us that went down to support. I flew after

3:33

work on Friday, got to Baton

3:35

Rouge, met with some people, next

3:39

day was the protest. I

3:41

got arrested pretty early and going out, like the police told

3:43

me to get in the street, get out of the street.

3:46

I got out of the street because I didn't want to

3:48

get arrested, did not plan to get arrested, get arrested anyway,

3:50

spend the next 17 hours in jail. When I

3:52

get out, there are five officers who have sued

3:54

me. There were a couple, if

3:56

you remember at that time, some officers got shot

3:58

in Dallas. Their family members

4:00

sued me for saying I incited a

4:03

riot. And then other

4:05

officers in Baton Rouge, all five

4:07

cases got dismissed,

4:09

which was great, including this case.

4:11

And then they appealed this case and

4:14

we lose on appeal. And

4:16

that is where, that's how this started. I've

4:19

been to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals

4:21

twice, lost both times. I've been

4:23

to the Supreme Court now twice. They

4:26

sent it to the Louisiana State Supreme Court the

4:28

first time to ask if I could be sued

4:31

under Louisiana State law. They

4:34

were trying to punt it away from being a federal question.

4:36

Louisiana said I could be sued. That was not what

4:38

we wanted. So then I had to go back to

4:41

the Supreme Court now that we had an answer to

4:43

the question that they asked. And

4:45

when went back to the Supreme Court, Supreme

4:47

Court decided not to hear the case. Luckily

4:50

Sotomayor did write a statement. And

4:52

her statement essentially says

4:54

that they already answered this question in

4:56

another case after the

4:58

Fifth Circuit wrote their decision, but before this

5:01

week. And people should look

5:03

at that decision. And because of that decision,

5:05

they don't need to make a decision on

5:08

this case. So that's where we are.

5:11

I do think some of the coverage

5:13

has been more alarmist than true

5:16

at this point, is that the other

5:18

case that they named, the Counterman case

5:20

combined with Claiborne, which is the historic

5:23

civil rights case that does not let

5:25

people sue protest organizers for civil damages,

5:28

those are strong. And

5:31

it will be really hard given those

5:34

two cases for someone in the three

5:36

states covered under the Fifth Circuit to

5:39

be held liable for that bad decision that

5:42

still exists in the Fifth Circuit, which

5:44

is the decision about my case. So

5:47

the ACLU will represent people if they

5:49

are charged under that case or if

5:52

there are cases brought under that case.

5:55

And I now might have to go to

5:58

a jury trial in Baton Rouge, which I am. not

6:00

excited about. So we

6:02

are for the first time I did get

6:04

deposed. I sat through a

6:07

couple hours of a deposition. We deposed

6:09

the officer but all of the actual

6:11

case about whether it happened or not

6:14

has been on hold because we were dealing with

6:16

the question of could I be sued at all.

6:18

So here we are and

6:20

back to district where'd I go? Doree

6:26

do you think that I mean one

6:29

I think thanks for clarifying that

6:31

because the media coverage is very

6:34

alarmist. Do

6:36

you think this has a chilling effect

6:38

on on protest organizers?

6:41

What do you think is the

6:43

broader like that the technicalities of your case

6:45

are one thing but then there's the broader

6:47

narrative and the broader effect on protests what

6:50

do you think that looks like at this

6:52

point? Yeah

6:54

you know that was our whole legal claim is that

6:56

we were worried about the chilling effect that would happen.

6:58

I will tell

7:01

you you know I'm so lucky to

7:03

have the ACLU represent me. We have

7:06

a Supreme Court lawyers also on

7:08

our team. We have like a whole

7:10

set of incredible really talented people

7:12

who are doing this as a part of

7:14

the case because I knew them

7:17

or I have relationships that leverage them and

7:20

with all of that support this is still a lot

7:22

like I have to turn over the text messages and

7:24

the like all this is just a lot to do and

7:27

I and I do worry about how this

7:29

could crush people if even

7:32

if they're winning the end getting roped

7:34

up in these court cases for this long

7:36

is like a lot of work it's a

7:38

lot of time it's money is travel and

7:41

that I think is actually the real danger here

7:44

because I could see people sort of accepting

7:46

a consequence or just sort of settling because

7:49

the weight of the system and I've been in

7:51

this case since 2016 is 2024. Well we'll keep

7:53

everybody posted

7:56

on how it goes and and what's next.

7:59

Yeah maybe they drop the charges.

8:02

Who knows? I don't know. But we are

8:04

prepared for a jury trial in Baton Rouge

8:06

at some date coming soon. This

8:11

country's something else, ain't it? Yeah,

8:15

I want to ask you all the

8:17

questions I really have to ask you

8:19

are really messy. So I'm trying to

8:22

keep it cute. I don't have any

8:25

unm messy questions to ask. I

8:28

guess I'm curious about, I know,

8:30

and I can only imagine like how your

8:32

spirits doing was actually doing

8:34

this case, but also I'm curious

8:37

about like how you're reacting

8:39

to like other people's reaction to

8:41

the case. Like people use like

8:44

social media reactions, people

8:47

using this as like a way to like

8:49

be alarmist about even the case, but also

8:51

to like perpetuate

8:54

like narratives around you. Like I

8:57

think I'm just curious about you, your that all

9:00

of this happened, like what's going on in your

9:03

brain as all of these things are happening simultaneously

9:05

because it's not just the Supreme Court case is

9:07

also a public opinion case now and it's a

9:09

social media thing and all these other things happening.

9:11

So I wanted to know about that. Yeah, some

9:14

of the, you know, I wish, I can't

9:16

wait till the case is actually over so I can talk about

9:18

some of the things that the lawyers are like,

9:20

you can't say this now that I know from the deputist

9:22

or I know, you know, so like that is I can't

9:24

wait for that day. I will say

9:26

I was surprised to wake up and see

9:29

people being like, you know, he centered himself

9:31

in this. I'm like, the police sued me.

9:33

I didn't sue myself. I didn't ask the

9:35

police to sue me. We have

9:37

said it every step of the way, like that

9:39

they brought these claims with no facts and I

9:41

organized anything. I'm like, I did not organize

9:44

a thing and and they sort

9:46

of what I can say is that the

9:48

police's sort of claim is that my social

9:50

media presence was a galvanizing force enough to

9:53

be organizing. That's sort of, that

9:55

is one of their major claims sort of

9:58

and I don't know. I, you know, I, I What

10:00

I'm fascinated by is the same people who

10:03

are like, you know, they hate me and

10:05

I do no work center me.

10:07

So they center me more than I center me. I

10:09

think I'm fascinated by that. I'm like, you know, if

10:11

I wasn't a big deal, but

10:13

you talk about me so much and the

10:15

people that I don't like, I literally act

10:17

like they don't exist. I, you know, I'm

10:20

not spending a whole lot of time talking

10:22

about them. So I was surprised to

10:24

see sort of the narrative of, you

10:27

know, he did this,

10:29

like he lost the right to protest. I'm like, they

10:31

sued me. I didn't see these people. And

10:33

what do you think your relationship? I

10:36

mean, I know that you can't just predict it, but

10:38

what do you think your relationship with protesting and public

10:40

organizing is now in the future?

10:42

Has this dimmed it as are you rethinking

10:44

how you're like organizing things? Like how does

10:46

it shape what you even want to participate

10:48

in? No. So the ACLU has been

10:50

really clear to me and they've wanted me to

10:52

tell everybody that the right to protest is still

10:54

alive and that they will support anybody who

10:57

is threatened with this ruling from the Fifth Circuit.

10:59

So I feel as strong about protesting as I

11:01

did before. I do need to get out of

11:04

this case. So I'm like, you know, I'm trying

11:06

to, you know, and there's some courts around the country

11:08

that don't like, Louisiana is one of them, who don't

11:10

like the public weighing in on things. So we have,

11:12

you know, I haven't written essays about it. Haven't

11:15

tweeted about it. Really the facts. Where there are

11:17

other cases, courts like in New York, where they're

11:19

so used to the media or like, you know,

11:21

you think about all those places where the, like

11:24

California, where the courtroom trials are publicized. Louisiana

11:27

is not a place that likes the public weighing

11:29

in on things. So we have

11:31

been pretty quiet and not fought this in the press.

11:34

We fought it in the courtroom. I'm

11:36

also, I saw somebody who pretends to be a

11:38

journalist do this whole thread about this

11:40

case. And I'm like, did you

11:42

read what we wrote? Like you didn't read our

11:44

briefs. You didn't read the four amicus briefs that

11:46

were in support of ours. You didn't

11:49

read so the my or statement. You just are like going

11:51

on vibes. And that is actually the only thing that is

11:53

annoying to me. What do you think, Miles? What do you

11:55

think by seeing the by seeing

11:57

the conversation that has emerged? I

12:00

think that everybody,

12:04

I understand the barrier to journalism

12:06

and law, I believe in

12:09

it more and more every day, that

12:11

you need to go to school somewhere

12:13

or get some type of training or

12:15

get some type of like if not

12:17

institutional experiential pedigree before

12:19

you start doing stuff because what I do

12:21

think is that people

12:23

make, I

12:25

see people making this case about you and although

12:30

you're named, to me it becomes

12:32

obvious that this is about something

12:34

way bigger than you and it

12:37

makes me sad

12:39

slash aggravated that so many people

12:41

are in their own way so

12:43

fascinated with popularity, social media, celebrity

12:46

that they can't remove you. It's

12:49

what I've always been able to not

12:52

like somebody but also say, oh, this person

12:55

is a black trans queer person, I want

12:57

them to be just as protected and have

12:59

just as much access

13:01

as I do because that's one

13:04

for all and to

13:06

me, it's

13:09

aggravating when things like this become

13:12

flattened into like the social media fodder

13:14

so whatever was fascinating you on Shade

13:16

Room or went viral yesterday, now this

13:18

is a part of it and this

13:20

is frankly more important

13:23

and more substantial so attacking this

13:25

like you would a Shade

13:28

Room post seems like it's really irresponsible and

13:30

makes me sad that even in moments like

13:32

this, we can't just kind of like, okay,

13:34

let's put our

13:36

grown up pants on and like let's hate the

13:38

Ray tomorrow. God

13:41

willing, he'll still be here to hate tomorrow but today, we

13:44

can't let this happen because this

13:47

is obviously, this means a lot for everybody else

13:49

who decides to protest and organize too. So

13:52

those are my initial thoughts that

13:55

I can say publicly the other ones I have

13:57

would involve a lot of curse words. And

14:00

I think Miles, what you're talking about is just

14:02

like the humanity of it, right? Like, it's actually

14:04

really hard for me to look at those pictures

14:07

of you being arrested. Like, it's not... I

14:11

think that's why the head... It's all been a... Like,

14:13

as... As

14:16

someone who is dear to me, it's been like a lot to

14:19

see, and to see with such

14:21

frequency. And so, I think

14:24

everything that Miles said, I think that

14:26

that's... When you... When

14:30

you can't look... From

14:33

my point of view, when you can't look at a black

14:35

body that's being taken

14:39

off, and have

14:42

some empathy, y'all

14:45

really... Y'all really are worshiping the

14:47

social media gods. I

14:50

hope I'll never catch that bug. Kaya, I'm

14:52

interested in what you have to say about

14:54

the Kaitlyn Clark, WNBA, the shoe

14:56

deals. This was a big topic last

14:58

week on Twitter, at least, that

15:00

there are only three women who have signature shoe

15:03

deals in

15:05

the WNBA. They are all white. Kaitlyn

15:07

Clark just got the third, and

15:09

it sparked a conversation both about race in the WNBA,

15:12

it sparked a conversation about Aja Wilson,

15:15

who is a star

15:17

in the WNBA, and also does not have a signature

15:19

shoe. And I was like, let's see, I want to

15:21

see what the people got to say about this, but

15:23

Kaya is our resident sports expert. Please lead us. Oh

15:28

my gosh, that really is

15:31

the funniest thing in America.

15:33

But here is what I think. So,

15:35

I think we have to

15:37

separate basketball and business, right?

15:40

And there are two different

15:42

things going on. It is

15:44

absolutely right that Kaitlyn Clark

15:46

has no NCAA, she does

15:48

not have a ring, she

15:50

has not even started to

15:53

play in the WNBA yet.

15:56

And that, you know, basketball,

15:59

not even just... women's basketball, but basketball

16:01

is largely a black sport and the

16:04

disparate treatment, everything from, you

16:06

know, the headline after the

16:09

national championship being about her losing instead of

16:11

Dawn Staley in South Carolina winning, all of

16:13

that, right? I'm here for it all as

16:15

a black woman. Let's

16:19

put that aside for a minute. Caitlin

16:22

Clark's marketing potential, the

16:26

amount of money that she's generating in

16:29

this sport is staggering. And,

16:31

you know, we run in

16:34

a capitalist country. Like literally

16:37

I learned today that the

16:39

WNBA season kicks off in a

16:41

couple of weeks, right? Already

16:44

her Jersey has outsold

16:46

any other rookie Jersey

16:48

in history. Already

16:51

the ticket prices for the Indiana

16:53

fever are triple what they were

16:55

before they recruited her. And

16:58

this, this thing, this was staggering

17:00

to me. Other teams are

17:04

changing the venue of where

17:06

they play when they

17:08

play Indiana because they're expecting

17:11

record crowds. So for example, the

17:13

Washington mystics play in a 4,000

17:15

seat arena. They are moving

17:18

to a 20,000 seat

17:21

arena because they

17:23

expect that kind of a

17:25

capacity crowd for Caitlin Clark.

17:27

And so the shoe people

17:29

are super smart because

17:32

she will sell out zillions of

17:34

shoes. And I don't think

17:36

that you can ignore that. I mean, I

17:38

don't, I don't have to be right.

17:41

But what I am saying is you

17:44

cannot ignore the marketing impact that this

17:46

girl is having on,

17:49

on sports, not just even women's

17:52

sports. And so I don't

17:54

think that, you know, is it

17:57

just no. you

18:00

know, Aja Wilson, people

18:02

are not moving their venues to

18:05

come see her. And so

18:07

that's why I think you're seeing the,

18:09

I mean, I think you're going to

18:11

see a record number. We were arguing

18:13

about this this morning, right? It's a

18:15

whatever eight figure deal, it could be

18:17

as low as 10 million,

18:20

it could be as high as 90 million. We

18:23

have no idea. But I

18:25

think that Nike has an

18:27

opportunity. It's my last point on

18:29

this. Nike has an opportunity to

18:33

position itself as a

18:35

champion for women if they give her

18:37

a really good deal. Because basically what

18:39

they can say is we think it's

18:41

trash that she gets that that women

18:43

get so little in the WNBA. We've

18:46

been part of perpetuating that we want

18:48

to give this girl, you know, what

18:50

we think she's really worth. And that

18:52

could actually change the game in terms

18:54

of what many women get in

18:57

their deals. And she might be a flash

18:59

in the pan, who knows. But I think

19:01

it is an interesting thing to watch. But

19:04

I really do think from a business perspective,

19:06

I'm not surprised at all about this. I

19:09

like that. I think so too, because even

19:11

and I could like totally be wrong from

19:14

my perspective. And I think

19:16

this is true with like celebrity culture in

19:18

general. It's such like

19:20

a it's like hard to know what

19:22

comes first. Like sometimes it

19:24

feels like a company

19:27

makes this are or makes somebody really important.

19:29

So it doesn't always feel like that person

19:31

like in the hugest air cold ever earned

19:33

it and then they like and then they

19:35

get it even though that's the narrative people

19:37

like to see sometimes it's just like, Oh,

19:39

no, like we kind

19:42

of decided that this is the person and

19:45

I'm not the sports person here.

19:47

But I have heard about people

19:50

like companies like almost like creating sports

19:52

stars are the people who weren't the

19:54

best players. And I look back and

19:56

be like you think he's the best place but that might

19:58

be somebody who's in my consciousness

20:00

as like, as

20:03

one of the best players because they were

20:05

so popular, because they got this big deal, and

20:07

because they kind of transcended popular culture, or

20:09

it's sports culture and went into

20:12

popular culture. So I think

20:14

that you're totally right, Kaya around

20:16

like, Oh, no, this also like

20:18

these big stars and big deals

20:20

are also like created. And, and,

20:22

and, and why not take the

20:24

chance on creating that with, with

20:27

with with women, specifically in

20:29

this moment, yeah, and I think Nike only

20:31

has things to gain from doing something like

20:33

that, too. Yeah,

20:36

I do think too, I'm the

20:38

last thing years, I've been really interested in like, our

20:41

inability and hoping that there's more of

20:44

an ability to name things as phenomenon,

20:46

as opposed to

20:48

trying to like, you know,

20:51

scientize it. Yeah, it's like, some things

20:53

just so when I think about like,

20:55

Caitlin, when I think about Angel

20:58

Reese, Angel Reese, I first knew her as the

21:00

Bayou Barbie that was, you know, she was, I

21:03

remember, I

21:05

only knew Caitlin Clark because she waved

21:07

off Raven. And

21:10

that was like this meme moment and da da

21:12

da da da. And that

21:14

created like that, that whole last year

21:16

created like that, I think laid the

21:18

foundation for this year to even be

21:20

a thing, where we could come back

21:22

and look for the rivalry and

21:25

the drama and we

21:27

knew all the players because last year was

21:29

such a crazy year and women's basketball and

21:31

college basketball. And it was like, well,

21:33

Caitlin broke all these records this year. And you're like,

21:35

that just is just is true. Like that. It's true.

21:38

And I do

21:40

think about her as like a phenomenon in

21:42

a certain way. And I like, you know,

21:44

I don't try to like explain all of

21:47

it. I also think that Angel,

21:51

Angel also like it has incredible

21:53

marketing potential and can

21:55

do will do a lot for the sport

21:57

in the way that she did last year. Like we are

22:00

The Bayou Barbies like a whole big mess like a

22:02

that was a big deal So I do think I

22:04

do see a disparity in the way that brands sort

22:06

of respond to them I also think there is something

22:08

very different about their bases like who are You

22:11

know, they are they are speaking to very different

22:13

people and and that I think is fair to

22:15

critique Yes, the

22:18

last thing I'll say is I do love that That

22:20

it doesn't seem like the negativity in

22:23

the public has seeped into their relationships

22:25

and I love that Like

22:27

I love that like they this class

22:29

of WMB people are like we

22:31

not talking about each other online We not

22:33

fighting each other online our families not fighting

22:36

each other Even when Diana Tarazia Sue Bird

22:38

are saying shady things Caitlin is

22:40

like I can't wait to play Angel is like

22:42

I can't wait to be a rookie again You're

22:44

like you won the national championship a year ago

22:47

made it and her quote is I can't wait

22:49

to be a rookie again And you're like, yes,

22:51

you know I also didn't realize how sexist the

22:53

WMB used to be and used to make those

22:55

women show up in business Clothes and the draft

22:58

is crazy So I'm happy that

23:00

they don't have to wear business clothes anymore Cuz that was

23:02

silly and I'm happy they got the dress the way

23:04

they wanted to dress Dre I just want to pick

23:06

up on that because it's somebody Who

23:09

I love the WNBA and I love

23:11

the New York Liberty in the Washington

23:13

Mystics And I go to these games

23:15

and you actually feel Much

23:18

more excitement than you do at them NBA games

23:22

Exciting there's so much more inclusive and

23:24

the vibe is very much like a

23:26

unity Joyful vibe as

23:28

opposed to like an adversarial competitive

23:32

vibe and it these

23:34

games are Amazing.

23:36

So I think I think

23:39

what what what these women are

23:41

also doing is sort of like revolutionizing

23:43

the way we even approach sports and

23:46

how we how sports are actually supposed

23:48

to bring us together not Separate

23:51

us and I think that's exactly how

23:53

you feel and I think that's the sentiment now

23:55

that even this class It's

23:57

taking in to the NBA and I think it's

23:59

absolutely incredible and I can't wait to

24:02

see them. And

24:05

I have so many favorites that I

24:07

follow on the Instagram like Tasha

24:10

Clow, she's one of my favorites. Now she

24:12

plays with, for the

24:14

Phoenix, whatever they're called. But I

24:17

love them, love it, love it, love it. And

24:19

happy to see this and hope we just keep

24:22

on covering the WNBA as Kai as our resident

24:24

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26:42

y'all, my news today is about participant

26:45

media shutting down.

26:49

And so for those of y'all that

26:51

don't know, participant media is, it's essentially,

26:53

it's a production

26:55

company, film, documentary, TV series from

26:58

time to time. But it was

27:00

founded really under the premise that

27:03

you could use content to evolve

27:05

people's thinking, being, and actually then

27:07

compel them to act in a

27:10

particular issue or societal challenge. And

27:12

so I've worked with participant

27:16

on and off probably since like 2017. So

27:21

the first thing I did with participant was

27:23

When They See Us with Ava DuVernay. And

27:26

that's really, When They See Us is such

27:28

an excellent example of participants work in

27:30

the world because it really was to

27:33

build social impact campaigns that accompany these

27:35

films. So for When They See

27:37

Us, DeRay, you probably

27:39

remember that we did a big push

27:41

around prosecutorial reform because as

27:44

we know, with the

27:46

exonerated fives, really what the challenges

27:49

with them were an overzealous prosecutor

27:51

who sort of went unaccountable

27:55

and sort

27:58

of her powers were so unbalanced. in terms of

28:00

what she did to prosecute those kids

28:02

and all of the illegal things she did to

28:05

prosecute those kids. But all that to say,

28:07

you know, then, you

28:09

know, Just Mercy, Judas

28:13

and the Black Messiah, and

28:15

then even things like Inconvenient Truth, that was

28:17

a really early one for participant. American

28:20

Factory, you know, sort

28:22

of the list goes on and on.

28:24

Roma, in terms of the films that

28:26

participant really put investment into, both in

28:28

terms of getting this thing made, but

28:30

then also in terms of

28:32

making sure that there were these really

28:35

mega impact campaigns that

28:37

really talked about the themes,

28:40

the important themes in these films and how

28:42

we can change

28:44

a particular challenge, whether through policy, whether

28:46

through community organizing, whether through just like

28:48

building a network of folks who are

28:50

coordinated in their efforts and their advocacy.

28:53

So I'm really bummed that

28:56

they're closing their doors and

28:58

just some really great people that I've worked

29:00

with over the years, and

29:03

they've been such an incredible vehicle for impact

29:05

and for making the case why impact around

29:08

film and documentary is so important.

29:12

Now you can't talk about participant without talking

29:14

about the green books. So

29:16

that participant

29:18

did bring a green book. And

29:21

I remember sitting in a conference

29:24

room with the head of participant,

29:26

head of marketing, all the white

29:28

people's, and I say, yo,

29:30

what are you gonna do when green book wins the Oscar?

29:33

And you know, I'm fresh and new out

29:35

of politics in sort of the film world.

29:37

They're like, oh, it's never gonna win.

29:39

Roma's gonna win, because participant also producer of Roma

29:41

at the time. I

29:45

say, yo, I don't know the film business, but

29:48

I know white people. And that

29:50

film is gonna win. And

29:55

it did, and it did. And so it's been

29:58

an interesting, it's also been an interesting. Case

30:00

study with participants and

30:02

even with like Mahershala himself to for

30:05

a film to win an Oscar, but then everyone to be

30:08

really sort of apprehensive around

30:10

talking about operating around the

30:13

film, amplifying the film. So

30:16

it's sort of like won the Oscar, but yeah,

30:20

just an interesting journey with participant. I think participant

30:22

learned a lot about Green Book and I think

30:24

that's how you went from Green Book to do

30:26

this in the Black Messiah, right? Because it was

30:28

like, oh, maybe we should get those were not

30:31

right behind each other, were they? They

30:33

were in my tenure. They were no,

30:37

no, no, it was an effort. Just

30:39

Mercy. Just Mercy was in between. Okay.

30:41

Okay. All right. Let's

30:44

not talk about people's least fine

30:46

moments, right? Brian, Brian, Brian Stevenson

30:48

says we're not our worst thing

30:50

that we've ever done. So, but

30:54

I will say it was, it sort of was an

30:56

inflection point with them that I think had not

30:58

happened, wouldn't have got them to where, where

31:00

they are. But,

31:03

but you know, dang, now it's closing. So I

31:06

just think that film is so important

31:08

to representation and shaping

31:10

minds and shaping our culture. And

31:12

it's so critically important to make

31:14

sure that we have

31:17

folks in the film business and we've talked

31:19

about this sort of ad nauseam before that,

31:23

that are true to people

31:25

and true to experiences. And so

31:27

it's a bummer. It's a bummer

31:29

that, you know, even participant even

31:31

with its flaws is, is

31:34

closing its doors. It also provided a

31:36

lot of opportunities to, you know, new

31:38

up and coming directors of color, talent.

31:40

So yes, I just wanted to bring it here because

31:42

I've been bummed about it this week. So just

31:45

wanted to share that with y'all. It's

31:47

a little scary, right?

31:49

Because how

31:52

I see it and please,

31:54

you know, illuminate me if

31:56

I'm wrong and direct to me and drop some links,

31:58

but how I see it. entertainment is

32:00

getting a little dumber and

32:04

getting a little bit more shallow. And

32:06

I also think that this is

32:08

reflecting maybe the exhaustion people have

32:11

with, you know, like kind of like

32:13

for the last like five to 10 years of

32:16

people really having a

32:18

lot of this like kind of like social,

32:20

politically aware content and

32:23

creativity coming out. And I think that it's

32:27

really, I think sometimes we can

32:29

take for granted like companies that

32:31

champion ideas and

32:33

social and political advancements

32:36

and folding that into the entertainment

32:38

and art that we are seeing. Because

32:41

if Hollywood's left to their own

32:43

devices, we get things that are,

32:46

I'm not gonna name anything, but we

32:48

get things that are not

32:51

necessarily interested in that

32:54

and centered. So it does, it is a

32:56

little scary to not have somebody or have

32:59

a company that's on the team of,

33:01

okay, we need to get this out

33:03

or oh, this is what this story

33:05

is talking about. How do we make

33:08

sure that this story and this social

33:10

impact translate into the world? And

33:12

how can we make it so this film doesn't

33:14

just end at the credits,

33:17

but we could actually make sure

33:20

this like impact ripples throughout society

33:22

and throughout culture. So

33:24

it's a little scary. Also,

33:27

because I remember reading the

33:29

article about the higher ground

33:31

Barack Obama and Michelle Obama's,

33:33

President Obama's company that

33:36

kind of have a very similar

33:38

angle and stuff. The thing is

33:41

about that and specifically about them

33:43

is that I don't

33:46

know if they would have done Black

33:48

Messiah. You understand

33:51

what I'm saying? I don't know if they

33:53

would have done certain things that don't necessarily

33:55

interest their neoliberal

33:59

new wave concern. rid of ideals. So

34:01

I do think that we can't just

34:03

rest on, we can't

34:06

just rest on, oh, they got

34:08

it or these people have it because

34:10

people with political interests who are making

34:13

entertainment have those political interests still. So

34:15

I liked

34:17

it. I'm probably being a smidge more naive

34:19

than I really am around this company. But

34:21

it did seem like there was a bigger

34:24

breadth of things that could be talked about

34:26

and be seen. And I think that has

34:28

to do with people maybe just wanting things

34:30

to get more progressive. And

34:32

there's something different that happens when people want

34:35

things to get more progressive in their own

34:37

way. So I do think there's still a

34:40

huge emptiness left

34:42

with this company not being here

34:44

anymore. That it's just

34:46

not replaceable with like higher ground

34:49

or something that has

34:51

a former president and

34:53

first lady behind it

34:55

because there's gonna be obvious interest

34:58

in that. Miles, I think

35:01

that's absolutely right. And I even think it goes

35:03

to sort of like, just

35:06

like how we put

35:09

ourselves in these boxes just around genre,

35:11

right? I think even for black folks

35:13

to do, whether it's Afrofuturism

35:15

or even something like

35:17

American fiction, right? I

35:19

think for Hollywood, for

35:23

black people, it's like, it's a slave movie, it's

35:25

a bang bang shoot them up movie, and it's

35:27

a love story. And those are sort of like

35:29

our areas of operation. And so when you do,

35:32

I think participant had

35:35

started to really build a muscle around, like

35:37

right now that I'm

35:39

very curious about Khalil Joseph, who is

35:41

a visual artist,

35:45

has a film, it's like a doc

35:47

narrative called Black News that participant is

35:50

producing. But even for them to take

35:52

on something like that, that really was

35:54

just like, you really weren't sure what

35:56

it was, but you trusted in his

36:00

Year bet it would gonna be something

36:02

that sort of fell outside the the

36:04

been normal bounds of like would a

36:06

film genre was on. Yeah, so

36:09

I think it's even spaces in places that.

36:11

Just. Really push blacks.

36:14

Creativity. On.

36:17

We just need more more of that I

36:19

will say with this reminded me of his

36:21

I think the a high as decision makers

36:23

in Hollywood have much against. That

36:26

I think a lot of people changed. I think

36:28

they're a lot of a layer that chains. I

36:30

think that's. Creator. Of got more

36:32

access to me every guy but you know

36:34

I don't buy the I during puberty. I

36:37

think there's fatigue but adding people are more

36:39

fatigued by living in poverty and in a

36:41

crazy world and they are in talking about

36:43

it and I think I find people everyday

36:45

were like trying to make sense of what's

36:47

happening who are looking for content that helps

36:49

make sense of what's happening so doesn't feel

36:51

so overwhelming and doomsday. They're trying to understand

36:53

how we got here when it means him.

36:56

In Be no I think they're interesting people

36:58

making mack content. I think that the decision

37:00

makers are like a we're done talking about

37:02

this bad day or the people who are

37:04

like we're dumb platforming miss than it I

37:06

am and Mrs with that reminds me how

37:09

can I do I think that people are

37:11

hungry. For. The content still.

37:14

But or the other films doing well. To

37:19

commercially. Oh.

37:21

I'm not a me a what film is

37:23

done well that's my a remake of X

37:25

Men you know or superman of them have

37:27

their bar then nobody than the adding their

37:29

don't as well as the other ones I

37:32

got on that you know as the block

37:34

size is either There's a pretty good you

37:36

do we need to make remake good times

37:38

and way we did it I think that's

37:40

really remaking everything you know if it's been

37:42

a are we any Argentine. Were not

37:44

seen, white could get made I

37:46

think is the issue with that

37:48

think and unless that's where I'm.

37:51

The director of American Six and I'm

37:53

forgetting his name was his Nord Jefferson

37:55

The Cooks. Like you. That's what he said in. His

37:57

feats. It's like no one. He

38:00

heard so many knows, so I think

38:02

we don't even know the expansiveness of

38:04

late. The. The

38:06

to fill the way. It

38:08

could look like because people are some

38:10

busy making the remake of Good Times

38:12

in the. You know, And

38:15

so. I think. Also feel like

38:17

it's just like right now. Ryan.

38:19

Kugler is making a thriller

38:21

with Warner Brothers. And getting

38:23

I would I would on hold after

38:25

black Panther movies that he would get

38:28

which needs to be able to make

38:30

these movie Bark Busters but again and

38:32

Faith Ryan cougars someone who was completely

38:34

rewired how people interact with him and

38:36

the film business and the other thing

38:39

I learned about this film and cougars

38:41

doing. Is. That he arranged

38:43

is so that his. He.

38:45

Will actually own this film. After

38:48

certain amount of years, And.

38:50

Listen, if Thursday and anybody's done

38:52

anything like that, right? so I

38:54

think it is site. We

38:59

just need to see more and we need to figure out

39:01

how to get more into the world. And I think my

39:03

miles he talked about this. A. Lot

39:05

in terms of how to get outside. Of these

39:07

great institutions and sometimes black institutions

39:09

to do to do that. So.

39:12

Yeah. Agatha Agatha despite her

39:14

like the rave point I guess houses

39:16

like think you through as a juicy.

39:18

It's so many people trying to hit

39:20

that that know I think they're like

39:22

maybe like Jordan Peele for my the

39:24

who I can think of off the

39:26

compromise and the visit a yeah but

39:28

who is Emily bett know of like

39:30

okay had a week three something that

39:32

is black expensive, different narratives of my

39:34

dad is an awful make my name's

39:36

wait isn't. To me, you

39:39

know, Is.

39:41

Not necessarily the job of the artist

39:43

all the time you know mommy and

39:45

in I think that like as they

39:47

are locally also save lives on like

39:49

a beats you family genius I love

39:52

or the Jaffar love the by people

39:54

who are more gonna want Arthur defy

39:56

thinking about the bottom line and buddy

39:58

stuff like that yeah by. The A

40:00

does seem like were in error for

40:02

entertainment where people just as I remember

40:05

I'm reading about the Barbie movie and

40:07

how much how actually invited on different

40:09

directors i'm leaning done have been one

40:12

of them on Oahu Gretar group that

40:14

group of Mit, Miss Gretel with the

40:16

Barbie he's everywhere and employee bus and

40:19

girl who we got a girly. Amanda

40:22

and love it! But

40:24

arm but invited them to Macau and basically

40:26

say it like hey we have all these

40:29

like. You. Know brands and you

40:31

know toys and stuff like that from.

40:33

It's how are you interested in basically

40:35

making a movie around there? And I

40:38

do think that like although you can

40:40

get some soup subversives. Pop.

40:42

Feminists stuff. I also think

40:45

that like wow. If

40:47

that's where. Entertain

40:50

me is going. That's kind of

40:52

scary. To. Faggot and guess

40:54

is that my head of is digging allowed

40:56

around. Had a we. Is

40:59

is there a reform bill or how

41:01

to We make a formula of like,

41:03

what to be really and I'm impactful

41:05

Inexpensive narrative leads bothell like gets people

41:08

to. Watch ins and ends

41:10

and spend their money. The was

41:12

in and consuming and now. Because

41:15

the see it seems like that the have not been air.

41:19

And know what? I'm

41:21

I'm a personal thought and

41:23

have a professional thoughts. And

41:26

the personal thought is that

41:28

Participant Media has had an

41:30

outsize impact on me personally

41:33

him to particular ways so

41:35

one they did Waiting For

41:37

Superman. Which was the

41:40

first salem in.

41:42

Recent. History documentary on and

41:44

see Sin and as somebody who's

41:47

been in his kiss him for

41:49

thirty plus years it was really

41:51

the first time that I saw

41:54

my is sees mom have club

41:56

cameo of me too but. We

41:58

won't even touch my best. The

42:01

first time that. I saw my work lifted

42:03

up on a movie screen and that

42:06

had a tremendous impact on me and

42:08

changed the conversation about what was going

42:10

on. and then as a small business

42:13

owner. You know my

42:15

company does curriculum that is focused

42:17

on how African American history and

42:19

culture and we part and with

42:21

participants on a couple of their

42:24

films. We did curricula for arm

42:26

and a whole weekend of activities

42:28

around you to send the black.

42:30

Messiah. We did.

42:34

We did. We partnered with

42:36

them on. The.

42:38

Africa Town documentary.

42:40

Them and and the descendants

42:42

Yeah oh everybody please! The

42:45

was descended and and we

42:47

also partnered with Ah with

42:49

them on when they see

42:51

us. And so to you

42:53

know major movie studios don't

42:55

reach out to small, have

42:57

curriculum producers to tap, partner

42:59

on projects and that was

43:01

huge for us and gave

43:03

us exposure and and and

43:05

opened us up. And so

43:07

personally I'm really sad that

43:09

we don't have that channel

43:11

anymore and then professionally. I.

43:13

Am sad because I do

43:16

think that they. Tried to

43:18

put a stake in the ground

43:20

around the fact that you could

43:22

do good and do well at

43:24

the same time that you could

43:26

make socially conscious movies and make

43:28

a good. Bottom line is that

43:30

this was the right thing to

43:32

do and I hope at the

43:34

guys I hope that message isn't

43:36

lost. Or at least I don't

43:38

want that to be defeated. I

43:41

want that to still be an

43:43

idea that people embrace. We've literally

43:45

were talking about climate change until.

43:47

An inconvenient truth period. The

43:49

end. Like there is nobody

43:51

who kinda beat the importance

43:53

of that film in bringing

43:55

climate seems to the for

43:57

France and so I worry

43:59

a. Out. Of those discussions

44:01

nowadays I think it also of.

44:03

I think it also points to

44:06

the changing role of of studios

44:08

right when any document me I

44:10

have a ton of friends were

44:12

making important impactful documentary films and

44:14

their goal was never to gets

44:16

a partisan and media. Their goal

44:18

was to always go straight to

44:20

Netflix and get a streaming deal

44:22

and so. I think it

44:25

also is indicative of the

44:27

teams. And roll Love Who

44:30

makes movies and who decides

44:32

which movies get made And

44:34

am deeply worried about films

44:36

with social conscience. Topics.

44:39

Arm and We they go in. All

44:41

of this to I agree with you,

44:44

I think people need these films and

44:46

are hungry for the content that helps

44:48

the make sense of our increasingly complex

44:50

world. And so this is really a

44:53

sad thing for me. So

44:55

my news is about Nestle. It came

44:57

out and Nestle is adding sugar. To.

45:01

Products. In. A

45:04

global south. So in

45:06

the poorest countries are nestle of

45:08

adding some her to infant milk.

45:11

And. Cereal. Or

45:14

Sarah lacks oh My Baby formula. Intended

45:18

for instance, age one of

45:21

the bombs and for our

45:23

children between six months and

45:26

two years And and the

45:28

European Markets. A. Bike the

45:30

Uk there is no sugar and

45:33

the formulas for the same children.

45:36

And the U S com I ng

45:38

you take our minds make it clear

45:40

that children under for are under to

45:43

use in avoid sugar some uk a

45:45

thunder for in the Us is under

45:47

to and there are two major reasons

45:49

one is for obesity and week A

45:51

Make sure the kids don't. Can

45:54

become obese is intense but the second is

45:56

also for tooth decay to make sure that

45:58

as if he'd come in and. Right

46:00

now because they. Have

46:03

all the sugar! And.

46:06

A came out because as a non

46:08

profit and work with people to do

46:11

a study in and they saw that

46:13

Nestle is putting sugar in it in

46:15

foods and it just made me think

46:17

through like i'm like edo insist that

46:20

treacherous capitalism is really some them and

46:22

not only for the health issues but

46:24

you also you know these kids get

46:26

addicted to sugar as infants. That's.

46:29

What I think about how much Koolaid and

46:31

all of I drink as a kid and

46:33

had a we must have I was like

46:36

you know adding that needs sweet tea every

46:38

single day I'm like I drink so much

46:40

Koolaid said I drink a time I ate

46:42

a lot of Saigon as a kid and

46:45

now I have a much better relationship to

46:47

to those to those things but I wanted

46:49

to bring it here because I was shocked

46:51

by this and it was also frustrating to

46:54

see them a white countries but guidelines are

46:56

followed by mostly Imo same guidelines are ignored.

46:58

I am. The poorest countries and

47:00

then the global south I am

47:03

I'm sorry at so first of

47:05

all reprehensible. Second of are not

47:08

the first case and that as

47:10

I remember correctly some time ago

47:12

we did. We covered the fact

47:15

that Johnson and Johnson. Was

47:18

continuing to markets the app.

47:21

Faded. Out our the cancer

47:23

causing since. They've actually effort in

47:25

it or it hadn't seen the formula. Yes

47:27

I'm at a look it up to like

47:30

him in a details that basically you know

47:32

Johnson and Johnson. Was sued

47:34

here in united States for the

47:36

baby powder causing cancer in women.

47:38

For all the the black women

47:41

at least who has you know

47:43

use baby powder to stay dry

47:45

and yoder as and all that

47:47

and the steps and were hit

47:49

with ovarian cancer and all kinds

47:51

of feminine cancerous and am I

47:53

think if I remember correctly they

47:56

forced to change the formula but

47:58

they did not seen before. The

48:00

Ally in Central and South America

48:02

and in Sub Saharan Africa and

48:05

places like that. And so I

48:07

think this is. I

48:10

think this is not

48:13

unique, unfortunately, and I

48:15

think that it's I'm

48:17

supposed to. What the

48:19

world thinks about people

48:21

of color and poor

48:23

people and capitalism And

48:25

yikes. Horrible. A

48:27

just illustrates as a broad need

48:30

for somebody for people for

48:32

my bases that care about. Everybody.

48:35

You know, I

48:38

think that. One of

48:41

the things that like of for him

48:43

with toppings me earlier about earlier this

48:45

week about was thinking on with our

48:47

border the your head arm and they

48:50

were connecting this a gender boss connecting

48:52

this to like of like internalized imperialism

48:54

him in a nationalism in the how

48:56

it's really important work to think globally

48:59

soul and ah a it matters what

49:01

happens to the children in America in

49:03

the man is what happens is when

49:05

the Uk and it matters with what

49:08

apps and children in the global south

49:10

and. There shouldn't be different standards

49:12

arm for those the before those

49:14

things and I think their fleets

49:16

is an example by Erie but

49:19

by a really illustrates how. Disappeared

49:23

in N N N N N N

49:25

not considered other children are in is

49:27

A on the globe simply because of

49:29

where they were born. In I am

49:32

In and Out. Which is

49:34

what Morgan as a since and

49:36

more people take care globally about

49:38

children and in in. Just.

49:41

Because of where they land on aborted

49:43

as a make what was happening to

49:45

them any less important in oh yeah

49:47

I can't help myself I had to

49:49

look up this global board of directors

49:51

I just said about that has a

49:53

and. And what's fascinating

49:55

is that they actually are

49:57

like, really. Both full of their

49:59

diverse. Balance Board: We have a

50:01

diverse imbalance for the complimentary backgrounds. Providing

50:03

a broad range of relevant. Skills and experience in

50:06

a may had of like that sort. Of

50:08

of a chart. Where.

50:10

They. List everybody they list or

50:12

nationalities but then they list the device

50:14

that different. Skill sets that are important

50:16

to them. And. They're all

50:19

very business see raid so like

50:21

people who are see oppose and

50:23

Ceos international business retail brand marketing

50:26

technology but they don't have. Here

50:28

is anybody who has an expertise

50:30

and public health which I don't

50:33

understand why they don't consider in

50:35

how they are putting. Foods.

50:40

That are detrimental to people. Out

50:43

into the world. At I just I

50:45

don't. Understand from likes of. A

50:47

building. A board and company perspective. How

50:49

you wouldn't have any one that understands.

50:53

The. Human body on this board.

50:55

but. I guess it makes sense since they gotta.

50:59

Put sugar in thing I'm at depending

51:01

on the part of the world but

51:03

just this interesting thing and you know

51:05

I love the look at. Sort

51:08

of. the board make up to that always tells

51:10

you everything you need to know about that particular

51:12

company, but. He's

51:15

okay. I won a circle back

51:17

on adjustments as history and get

51:19

it right. So in Twenty Twenty

51:21

it's Talc in in the Johnson

51:23

and Johnson powder that is seems

51:25

causes ovarian cancer and in plenty

51:28

plenty. Which is when I started

51:30

on this podcast. Can you believe

51:32

them? For years will books but

51:34

in Twenty Twenty zones the zones

51:36

and decided to end. It's to

51:38

based sales in Canada and the

51:41

United States which is probably when

51:43

we reported on this because. It

51:45

was a travesty to only. And sales in

51:47

Canada and United States and not in

51:49

sales. Globally, But I'm happy

51:51

to report my friends that

51:54

sounds and enzymes and has

51:56

this has decided or decided

51:58

to stop selling. How

52:00

beasts baby powder globally? And

52:03

Twenty twenty three? So. Ah

52:06

as of this past year as

52:08

seems they are only sell and

52:10

corn starch spaced baby powder and

52:12

no longer short changing the women

52:14

of where the people of people

52:16

of color and poor people around

52:18

the rest of the world they

52:20

don't live in Us and Canada

52:22

and selling them out based stuff.

52:25

So congrats Johnson and Johnson for

52:27

being late to the party that

52:29

for figuring it out. Don't

52:32

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54:05

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54:08

is article a couple weeks

54:10

ago about Freak Neck which

54:12

if you remember, Freak Next

54:14

started out as a black

54:16

Spring Break tradition in Atlanta

54:18

s for kids who couldn't

54:20

go home over spring break.

54:23

and I had never heard

54:25

of Orange Crush or Tybee

54:27

Island until this week. But

54:29

it turns out that Orange

54:31

Crust is the annual black

54:33

Spring Break. Fast! Ah, I'm

54:35

inside. On side the island which

54:38

is Georges largest public beaches a

54:40

small island only three miles just

54:42

east of Savannah and Orange Crush

54:44

started more than thirty years ago.

54:47

By students as Savannah State University which

54:49

is an H B C you. It

54:53

was organized in Nineteen Eighty Eight,

54:55

an Impact One. That current Mayor

54:57

of Savannah was one of the

54:59

original organizers, and it was a

55:01

university sponsored event until Ninety Ninety

55:04

One when the University ended it's

55:06

involvement and so the event since

55:08

then has been unpermitted. Well

55:11

here's the problem. Tybee

55:13

Island again three miles.

55:16

Big. Long, why would

55:18

ever three miles plus it's

55:21

has thirty one hundred residents

55:23

and last year Orange Crush

55:25

brought over a hundred thousand

55:28

people to the party which

55:30

overwhelmed the small island. They

55:32

are police force which consists

55:35

of twelve people scrambled to

55:37

respond to emergency cause reporting

55:39

gunfire and drug overdoses and

55:42

traffic jams and fistfights. Last

55:45

year there were twenty

55:47

six arrests, including one

55:49

road rage shooting. Were.

55:52

A white man I have

55:54

done into another car and

55:56

injured one person. This year

55:58

they are taking. Ha

56:00

to manage this differently.

56:03

By adding a hundred additional.

56:05

Sheriff's Deputies, Georgia State Troopers,

56:07

and other officers that will

56:10

be deployed to three miles:

56:12

Tybee Island. This. Does

56:14

not sound like a recipe for

56:17

success to meet up. The governor

56:19

has also recently signed a bill.

56:22

De Ray that allows

56:24

local governments to recoup

56:26

additional expense costs from

56:29

social media organizers of

56:31

unpermitted events. And

56:34

so of course they are

56:36

racial dynamics. tiara, Like

56:39

you had to google less stats

56:41

and see what was going on.

56:43

Ninety two percent of the islands

56:45

residents are white. The

56:48

mayor is wait and see has

56:50

stated that his goal is to

56:52

end this of bent there is

56:55

a very small black population ah

56:57

I'm one of which is the

56:59

city manager. And see is responsible

57:01

for operation. So what does she

57:03

do? M C is focusing on

57:05

managing the traffic sees providing port

57:08

a potty. She said that barricades

57:10

to keep residential property say see

57:12

assigned to manage the situations the

57:14

mayor said he santa and the

57:16

events. And

57:19

the there is a

57:21

small black population who,

57:23

ah, remind. Us that Tybee

57:25

Island has huge crowds for the

57:27

fourth of July and lots of

57:29

other summer weekends, but those weekends

57:32

are largely white and. The responses

57:34

completely different. They are not call

57:36

announce a hundred additional police people.

57:39

They. Believe that it

57:42

will be over policed and

57:44

that all of this is

57:46

because they believe that black

57:48

folks are criminals and so.

57:51

When it made me wonder

57:53

to myself is, you know,

57:55

Daytona Beach welcomes hundreds of

57:58

thousands of of weight. Here's

58:00

a new knock on Tell me that a

58:02

not drunk and crazy and you know do

58:04

in all of the things that black Spring

58:06

Breakers do. but we don't read about that

58:08

we read about my yeah me with set

58:11

itself down. To Black Spring Breakers

58:13

this past year. And

58:15

so we're I mean why is it

58:17

not why is there are already know

58:19

why it is. But if we. If.

58:22

We can tolerate white college

58:24

students going to blow off

58:27

steam and enjoy the spring

58:29

breaks where. Are black college

58:31

student supposed to go to

58:34

enjoy the spring break together?

58:36

Ah I'm it. looks like

58:39

it did increasingly may no

58:41

longer be Tybee Island. Apparently

58:44

Biloxi, Mississippi is

58:47

building itself as

58:49

the. Annual Black

58:51

Spring Break destination.

58:54

And good for them if they

58:56

can. You know, invite black folks

58:58

in. Cash. In on all

59:01

of them money that we bring to

59:03

these places as our money as greens

59:05

and as long but I really do.

59:07

You know it at I brought it

59:09

here because we think about them. The.

59:13

Criminalization. Of black people

59:15

we think about the over adult

59:17

a success in of black. Young

59:19

people. We think about all of these

59:22

things when you know all of us

59:24

were. Young. Spring breakers at

59:26

some many of us were young

59:28

spring breakers at some point. Most

59:30

of us some of us are

59:32

so minimal level are still. come

59:35

on. Navigate it. matter of stuff.

59:37

Nasa assists. Who want to go places and have

59:39

a good time with? Our friends, the vast

59:41

majority of us behaving and doing

59:43

what we're supposed to do. So

59:45

I'm but this criminalization. Peace. Is.

59:50

You know is par for the course.

59:52

I brought it to the pod cause

59:54

I had never heard of Tybee Island.

59:56

Aren't press I'm I also hope the

59:58

As A as A. Well and

1:00:00

organizers who I had nine times out

1:00:02

of ten likely to be sued and

1:00:05

so thank you story for sharing it.

1:00:07

A C L U is willing to

1:00:09

cook books so I guess protect against

1:00:11

protest maybe know this but it does

1:00:13

it it creates and it will create

1:00:15

an interesting I think legal standard once

1:00:18

you start to see these social media

1:00:20

influence as because I'm you have to

1:00:22

be able to. I think you have

1:00:24

to be able to prove that they.

1:00:27

Actually, Organize This. Or

1:00:30

that they had intense that they were like

1:00:32

and ten been on other people's actions and.

1:00:35

Like Nevada What I said about coming

1:00:37

into the story I certainly didn't tell

1:00:39

be but I hit the police Sandy

1:00:42

I've been very much thank you for

1:00:44

bring the support as tire cause the

1:00:46

really interesting story as it ever since

1:00:49

I brought the freak mixing him to

1:00:51

the on pack up I've been thinking

1:00:53

about the on a beach in Alabama

1:00:55

an arm and now I'm thinking about

1:00:58

how we island and I think the

1:01:00

thinking that. Animal.

1:01:03

This might be like a little

1:01:05

like cynical but I think what

1:01:07

makes Daytona Beach work. Is.

1:01:09

Because most of a lot of

1:01:11

the police officers the adult for

1:01:13

their the older people there see

1:01:15

these kids who com as extensions

1:01:17

of Cs hulu as some type

1:01:19

of so so they say like

1:01:21

look at both crazy kids for

1:01:23

the see their nephew they see

1:01:25

their as a and the and

1:01:28

beer that they say they see

1:01:30

their children in them so they're

1:01:32

the type of like even if

1:01:34

it's and noise to the type

1:01:36

of a tolerance aim and ah

1:01:38

i'm increase that they. Have whereas.

1:01:41

Black. To dream. You. Know

1:01:43

Tamir Rice remarks are seen

1:01:46

as. Just. Criminals

1:01:48

and and there's this projects in

1:01:50

of like annum and out his

1:01:52

dad Animal League in an alley

1:01:54

and a see them as animals

1:01:56

and okay. When

1:01:59

they're gone around so I think they as I

1:02:01

think they. Obviously

1:02:05

over policing it is going to

1:02:07

burn. More. Violence. But

1:02:09

also I think that. In.

1:02:12

Order for. Their

1:02:14

average to be like up space.

1:02:18

Before black folks or specifically

1:02:20

for young by folks to

1:02:22

be able to successfully celebrate

1:02:24

in have fine I'm a

1:02:26

maybe even make mistakes but

1:02:28

not have those mistakes on.

1:02:31

The Side: the risk their lives. You have

1:02:33

to be able to see those children. see

1:02:35

those kids have kids and I just don't

1:02:37

think that that is. True

1:02:41

For pew I'll I'll I'll I'll have been dead

1:02:43

for like a bit of of the best like

1:02:45

into recently. True. Yeah, now I

1:02:48

think Dad's I see black kids,

1:02:50

eighteen nineteen year olds, And.

1:02:53

Younger. And I see like all that

1:02:56

much as the event they're bad. I'm like

1:02:58

oh my god of their their oh my

1:03:00

present a roma like whatever or don't don't

1:03:02

talk like that or yeah the streets ah

1:03:04

I'm for it. but if we don't have

1:03:06

that in theory solely then. Your.

1:03:09

Dilemma in the over policing in in perpetuating

1:03:11

violence or own on children For the you

1:03:13

see them as something Be scared. I'm scared

1:03:15

of a couple things. Sad. One.

1:03:18

This has stolen lan. Why? People.

1:03:21

Don't. Worry I'm

1:03:23

not going about Okay so second of

1:03:26

on there is we are that we

1:03:28

are some and now I just

1:03:30

saw. That on.

1:03:33

The University of Georgia Georgia Southern.

1:03:35

University Abilene put together a project of

1:03:37

to be Martin Luther King Human that

1:03:40

it's. An actually the woman that was

1:03:42

with name. In this article kyle that's a resident.

1:03:44

They are. They have a

1:03:46

whole i'm. Black. History

1:03:48

Trail. And. That takes

1:03:51

you through black contributions, black

1:03:53

history, On. This island. So

1:03:55

not all not only with all have orange press.

1:03:58

We'll. Have more programming as. It varies

1:04:00

to can't sell ya Bin Laden

1:04:02

Little League listed as Abigail Orange

1:04:05

and Clean. Air.

1:04:09

Airplane until the crayons. This

1:04:13

is. Crazy. So while.

1:04:16

That's. All I have day you know I'm from the

1:04:18

suburbs of our whoa. Born. One hour

1:04:20

but grub in the suburbs of I'm Georgia

1:04:22

A If I remember correctly Tybee Island is

1:04:24

like in Savannah are right next to Savannah

1:04:27

Like very close to that. Yes, very different.

1:04:29

Yes so I'm I'm a member like this.

1:04:31

like hearing it a hearing about it. I'll

1:04:33

have a lot on the guy ever visited

1:04:36

there in a my i can't remember bags

1:04:38

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