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He's just starring in all kinds of legal

1:56

dramas all over the world. He is are

1:58

you know the Secret Services? Contemplating what

2:00

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2:02

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2:06

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that too. and state lawmakers in Arizona

2:12

finally act to repeal their states eating

2:15

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2:17

a very long time ago. everybody. but

2:19

first I were this on Thursday afternoon

2:21

east coast time and it was a

2:23

day. A truly dizzying legal news in

2:25

Washington. The Supreme Court heard oral arguments

2:27

about whether Donald Trump should be immune

2:29

from criminal. Prosecution for official acts and

2:31

what constitutes official acts in the first

2:33

place. This is very important for the

2:36

January Six case. I Trump himself was

2:38

stuck in a court Manhattan sitting through

2:40

more testimony from former National Enquirer publisher

2:42

David Pecker about the Catch and Kill

2:45

scheme. More on that later and for

2:47

good measure at New York's highest court

2:49

overturned Harvey Wind Scenes conviction that was

2:51

just today. On Wednesday, the Supreme court

2:53

heard arguments about the by demonstrations challenge

2:56

to Idaho's of restrict abortion law and

2:58

how interacts with federal laws. About emergency

3:00

medical care and then in Arizona, Trump

3:02

has been named as an unindicted coconspirators

3:05

in the new faked electors indictment. The

3:07

goes after Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows. ah

3:09

in a lot of other goons. So

3:11

man ah, thank God we have strict

3:13

scrutiny. Leah, will it mean with us

3:15

today? I truly thank you for being

3:17

earlier. You're saving the Parker. Think if

3:20

anything, Me in Tibet. I can't save the supreme.

3:22

Court's ss yeah, you've been trying.

3:24

First question that I get anything

3:26

wrong. I'm so am I characterize the

3:28

either case as not necessarily just a bad

3:30

federal law and panting I to has law

3:32

that inside whether women are people and get

3:34

they get to keep. Our ends. To

3:38

do. As a yes

3:40

or no question that I have. My

3:42

a son that. Years

3:45

My actual first questions or what was

3:47

your big take away from Thursday's oral

3:49

arguments in Trump's immunity case? In in

3:51

what you heard, did it make you

3:53

feel like it's more or less likely

3:55

that ah January Six trial will happen

3:57

before the election. Ah, we.

4:00

Laugh likely. And so the core. It

4:02

seems inclined to reject Trump's very broad

4:04

notion of immunity, which his lawyer said

4:07

would make president immune even if they

4:09

directed the military to conduct a coup.

4:11

Ah, but what they are inclined to

4:14

do is basically say it's the court

4:16

below needs to make some additional determinations

4:18

before they can conclude that Donald Trump

4:21

actually isn't immune here. And those additional

4:23

determine a sense that a court is

4:25

going to have to make are likely

4:27

to prolong the proceedings here until after.

4:30

The election. Today for

4:32

you have to throw this case back down

4:34

to a lower court may do a bunch

4:36

of what hearings Megabucks decisions and I could

4:38

take weeks months. Years as he

4:40

would have to do additional briefing where

4:42

they basically insight the party is to

4:44

make arguments about whether the allegations in

4:46

this indictment satisfy whatever legal test the

4:48

Supreme Court makes up here on and

4:50

then assuming that the allegations in the

4:53

indictment some of them might fall within

4:55

the outer bounds other social activity. Whether

4:57

some of those allegations had nonetheless be

4:59

introduced at trial, not to form the

5:01

basis of criminal liability, but instead as

5:03

evidence of the presidents intent here and

5:05

all of those questions, they're just gonna

5:07

take up time because the have. To

5:10

be hearings, briefing, determinations, decisions

5:12

and were already really close

5:14

to the Och. said. The

5:17

says Trump in the calendar versus the

5:19

prosecution. The Ducks Great was overdue. What?

5:21

Of rak Sleep. Can you give

5:24

us a quick refresher on Trump's

5:26

immunity claim and how it relates

5:28

to civically to the January Six

5:31

trial? Yeah, so his immunity claim

5:33

is basically if a president does

5:35

something exercising the powers of the

5:38

President's office than the President cannot

5:40

be convicted of a crime unless

5:42

and until the President as first

5:45

impeached and convicted by the Senate

5:47

this is completely nonsensical. Ed Wood

5:49

either immunized the President, Frog. Scribble

5:51

Activity Given that the said it is

5:54

not in the habit of getting into

5:56

victim President's but that's his argument and

5:58

so he says like yeah, let's. Sure,

6:00

I was attempting to overturn the results of

6:02

an election, but guess what? I use the

6:04

Department of Justice to do so, So nothing

6:06

to sierra. Leone. I've gotta

6:09

tell you I listen to these arguments

6:11

driving around in my Subaru because I

6:13

just find it like I drive round.

6:15

I listen. I try to take then

6:17

and I sometimes in this one in

6:20

particular. unlike I think I have a

6:22

a comprehension problem like need to take

6:24

reading comprehension when you are in in

6:26

elementary school make this can't possibly be

6:29

corrupts What is the Nixon tie and

6:31

I'm impressed you did not devolve into

6:33

road rage On but then Nixon and

6:35

country roads Girl Back country roads I

6:37

can't. Be in front of only only

6:40

only squirrels are at risk year so

6:42

there are several of them. Science here,

6:44

of course you know Dixon famously are

6:47

infinitely side of the President Does it.

6:49

It's not illegal. Donald Trump's argument is

6:51

like slightly more nuanced and that he

6:54

sang if a president does it, it's

6:56

an official act and therefore imbued for

6:58

criminal prosecution and therefore effectively not illegal.

7:01

But the Supreme court heard several cases

7:03

involving presidential claims that immunity arising out

7:05

of Nixon's case a one with a

7:08

case. Involving civil immunity, Dixon versus

7:10

Fitzgerald's and their the Court sad

7:12

President's can't be sued civilly, that

7:14

is, by private citizens seeking monetary

7:16

damages for actions that fall within

7:18

the scope of their official duties

7:21

and that's just an absolute immunity

7:23

bars. But the court also decided

7:25

Nixon vs United States in which

7:27

the court said, look, President's aren't

7:29

completely immune from criminal process and

7:31

therefore can be ordered to turn

7:33

over evidence you know as part

7:36

of the grand jury subpoenas. And

7:38

you know in part because of the

7:40

Nixon events you know and particularly for

7:42

it's part in of Nyc sense several

7:44

justices pointed out that seems to reflect

7:46

and understanding that of course president's would

7:49

and could be subject to criminal process

7:51

if they needed a frickin part in

7:53

absorb violating criminal law and yet to

7:55

hug from lawyer was like no no

7:57

no you all have at all completely

7:59

the wrong President's just can't be subject

8:01

to criminal law. I. Think

8:03

you both have Trump derangement syndrome and makes perfect

8:06

sense that if I were president on the last

8:08

day and I was in office as getting a

8:10

ride home from the secret Service agents and I

8:12

gather the car and then I shoot them all

8:14

myself and murdered them. And. Then it's the

8:16

next day and I'm no longer President. and I haven't been

8:18

impeached by the senate. so I get off Scot free. That

8:20

makes sense than. It. Is.

8:23

So Wild. I actually I love that

8:25

everyone's offices kind of on that because

8:27

I enjoy. Like. The insider

8:29

trading like this money would be doing.

8:31

this is this is not unlike what's

8:33

into the financial example of L A

8:36

think Weeks. We all know that's where

8:38

he would say that we're So here's

8:40

another one. a vivid and admittedly somewhat

8:42

extreme example that's come up in the

8:44

lower courts. Consideration of the issue is

8:47

whether President had ordered the military to

8:49

assassinate a political opponent. For example, Justice

8:51

Sotomayor asked a version of that question

8:53

today. Let's listen. Is

8:56

the president decides

8:58

that his rival

9:00

is and corrupt

9:02

person. And

9:04

he orders the military for orders

9:06

someone to assassinate him is that

9:08

with his official access for would

9:10

cease can get communities it would

9:12

depend on I was out about.

9:14

we can see that could well

9:16

be in a virtual I could

9:18

and why he says he's doing

9:20

it for personal reasons. Right? So

9:23

wouldn't you think of Trump's lawyers answer their

9:25

last. I mean, in some ways it was

9:27

entirely expected. This is the question that he

9:29

was ass and that course appeals. You know,

9:31

if the President orders Seal Team Six to

9:34

assassinate a political rival, Are you saying the

9:36

President would be immune and from Slayer basically

9:38

says yes. You know, Unless the Senate and

9:40

pizza and sexist and First South, this is

9:42

his argument. They did not feel the need

9:45

to. Basically, it's trim, it's sales. Once I

9:47

got to the Supreme court and I think

9:49

for good reason and mean it seemed to

9:51

me like there. Are a majority of

9:54

justice's the republican appointees who are

9:56

willing to endorse some dinner version

9:58

of immunity and. Don't go too

10:00

far as to suggest that they're need

10:03

to be additional proceedings in order to

10:05

determine whether President Trump's attempt to overturn

10:07

the results of a valid election and

10:09

refuse to leave office cel within the

10:11

scope of official duties that are entitled

10:13

to immunity. And so there's a reason

10:16

why Trump layered and feel the need

10:18

to basically moderate his position arguing before

10:20

this court. Clarence Thomas did not

10:22

recuse himself wrote. Correct

10:25

instead. Art Clarence Thomas proudly proclaimed

10:27

that haven't a bunch of presidents

10:29

done coups? So what's the big

10:31

deal here? Dot. It. Has

10:34

his wife Jenny Thomas stormed the proceedings?

10:37

Yet. You know

10:39

I was not made aware if that

10:41

happened, but she doesn't text me like

10:43

see tax Mark Meadows So. Got something

10:45

on that for so saw justice or

10:47

bear when a different are asking about

10:49

specific things the Jack Smith is alleging

10:52

the Trump did in asking whether Trump's

10:54

lawyers considered those official or private acts

10:56

or with listen to Eclipse so you

10:59

concede. That say that, accident and immunity. We

11:01

do attacks. And I want to know

11:04

if you agree or disagree about the characterization

11:06

of these acts as private citizen or turns

11:08

her private attorney with line to spread knowingly

11:10

false claims of election fraud to spare had

11:12

a sounds as to the election. Results on

11:14

it as allies and and we

11:16

dispute validation by of Japan's. Habit

11:19

citizen or conspired with another private attorney who

11:21

caused the filing in court as as as

11:23

a case and signed by petitioner that contain

11:25

false allegations to support. A Chance as

11:28

as mobile. Three. Private actors

11:30

to attorneys including those mentioned above

11:32

and a political consultant have to

11:34

implement a plan to submit fraudulent

11:36

sites of presidential electors said stop

11:38

the certification proceedings and petitioner and

11:40

a Coke is. Voter turn ejected.

11:42

That efforts are you a sickly

11:44

I believe that I don't wanna

11:46

sell those. Would. You make of that

11:48

exchange a C be asking those questions and answers.

11:51

I mean, unlike Justice Alito, she was

11:53

actually willing to discuss the actual facts

11:55

of this case and try to determine

11:57

whether they were with. And yes, the

11:59

soul. Activities or official you know,

12:01

scope of the President Studious, and

12:04

it was encouraging in some respects

12:06

that she was able to get

12:08

a confession from Trump's lawyer that

12:10

several of the allegations in the

12:12

indictment conceivably do not concern official

12:14

apps, and if that's right than

12:17

a trial is not flatly prohibited

12:19

here. Instead, the trial could proceed

12:21

based on the allegations that Trump

12:23

Layer is conceding, are not entitled

12:25

to immunity, and the site is

12:27

just going to be about how.

12:30

Some of the other allegations can

12:32

be used here. So.

12:35

A real as question about the immunity.

12:37

So everyone seem to think that Trump's

12:39

teams case for absolute immunity was pretty

12:41

weak, but the government's lawyer didn't exactly

12:43

have are smooth sailing either. When it

12:45

was his turn a few of the

12:47

conservative justices pushed him about the fraud

12:50

statutes that the government is using against

12:52

Trump's can you explain what that means

12:54

Why It was unexpected, Whether he thought

12:56

it was a big deal. Yeah,

12:58

so Justice Alito in particular wanted

13:00

to ask the lawyer for us

13:03

All council Jack Smith feather at

13:05

that fraud sassy, that conspiracy to

13:07

defraud the United States which is

13:09

one of the charter such access

13:11

charged Donald Trump with whether that

13:13

statutes. Could. Itself be unconstitutional because

13:15

it's simply too vague and people don't

13:17

know what it means. And so that

13:20

is. I think selling his hand that

13:22

even is a trial is allowed to

13:24

proceed. You know, without a blanket form

13:26

of immunity, it's It's possible. Isn't when

13:29

the case does that up to the

13:31

supreme court that there are some justices

13:33

who would just say these charges are

13:36

per se and valid and cannot support

13:38

and Dixon. Wonderful! So

13:40

we heard these arguments in late April.

13:42

Does that mean will hear some sort

13:44

of judgment in the woods? By.

13:46

June July. So by tradition

13:48

and test and the Supreme court's term

13:51

ends at the end of June, that

13:53

is when they tried to release all

13:55

of the decisions and argued cases. But

13:57

if they wait that long to release.

14:00

Efficient. In this case, they are all but

14:02

guaranteeing there will not be a trial before

14:04

the elections, and so I think we should

14:06

be watching to see whether they are able

14:09

to issue a decision before the end of

14:11

May because that at least hold out the

14:13

remote possibility of some pre election trial. Was

14:17

hope for maybe songs as a leader

14:19

copied a politico like guy with oscars.

14:22

Okay, let's turn to a different courtroom.

14:24

So me. Well, Donald Trump is in

14:26

Manhattan. He's attending his criminal trial for

14:29

paying to cover up the Stormy Daniels

14:31

a fair story. So the Da's team

14:33

asked the judge to hold Trump in

14:36

contempt of court for violating his gag

14:38

order. Again, prosecutors are presented with this.

14:40

We're for additional violations. Prosecutors now argue

14:43

Trump is violated the gag order fourteen

14:45

times. I believe. Is that

14:47

normal is what Would any other

14:49

defendants are be allowed to violate

14:51

a gag order fourteen times? I'm.

14:53

Usually they're allowed ten free violations

14:56

a gag order now and now

14:58

site upon charged for like one

15:00

Riley said of a gag order

15:02

Of that said there's an ocarina

15:04

like free process is almost as

15:07

if this guy believe. He

15:09

is above the law. Study

15:11

this see the story in the New York

15:13

Times about the Secret Service having like preliminary

15:15

discussions about how to protect Trump. In.

15:18

Jail or in prison Or jail. Prison on of

15:20

if he goes for contempt because I want

15:22

to fly. Going to get the vibe that basically.

15:25

The. Sea ice tell you I.

15:27

Would love to be a consultant on this

15:30

projects. Ah, Secret Service trying to secure him

15:32

in prison? I have it all. maps out

15:34

in my head. He'd have to be in

15:36

one wing. Secret Service would have to have

15:39

rooms on either side. It up to have

15:41

Twenty Four Seven protection, but like. I.

15:43

Just imagine they do have to be

15:45

playing this out like it's possibilities and

15:47

I would just give anything to be

15:49

in those meetings. At ease with a

15:52

you are the coordinator in the White House

15:54

for all things Secret Service A kid I

15:56

can imagine the conference calls and meetings with

15:58

this history. Now they're fussy, losing their. The

16:00

funny thing is I actually I mean

16:02

you member of my stint Advice: I

16:04

was there when Barack Obama was the

16:07

first sitting President to visit a federal

16:09

prison and that and he wasn't going

16:11

to prison, right? right.was? like a huge

16:14

thanks So ah, I cannot sir, I

16:17

could not. What I would not want to be the secret

16:19

service agents on their rotation. Snows Twenty four hour

16:21

shifts so in a job isn't on earth

16:23

at Rikers are no no no going to

16:25

be. Probably send him select the you know

16:28

Martha Stewart minimum security place. Here will

16:30

see up. So a list. Trump said this

16:32

morning outside the courthouse that he thinks he

16:34

can win your state in the general election.

16:36

He didn't meet and greet with some construction

16:38

workers. As Morning Manhattan these been holding rallies

16:40

in the Bronx Addison Square Garden. I went

16:42

to a Bodega the other day. Would you

16:44

make of his campaign Se really plan for.

16:47

For. The New York State Behavior Illegal things.

16:49

Yeah. And Donald. Trump and not a morning

16:51

person. So the fact that he thought up

16:53

I think he hit the it was like

16:55

the J P Morgan construction site. I think

16:57

he had that between like six thirty and

16:59

seven o'clock this morning. So one he stared.

17:02

Okay, he is not doing the stops because

17:04

he's not scared. Second, it's always about the

17:06

fine print. Let him when he's talking about

17:08

Msg, I'm like ooh maybe the Hulu Theater

17:10

it msc. that's Us capacity of fifty five

17:13

hundred. But I mean in terms of like

17:15

whether he could ever when New York. As

17:17

a lifelong New Yorker, I think the last

17:19

time. A republican one. this state

17:21

was Reagan and Eighty Four.

17:23

And right now Joe Biden is

17:26

polling on average ten points

17:28

ahead of Trump's I see.

17:30

Like were gets used to Smyrna to know where

17:32

the media is. Nice going to go to them

17:34

like a moth to a flame. So. I mean

17:36

like those are facts and I feel confident in number.

17:38

I also don't want to have you risk as New

17:40

York State is sort of responsible screwed like the narrow

17:43

words in In the House right now seven. We

17:45

will talk about that. Ah, switching gears

17:47

again. So yesterday in Arizona a Grand

17:49

jury hands down his indictment related to

17:51

the states the collectors schemes be charged

17:54

eleven say collectors themselves as well as

17:56

Trump aides whose names were redacted. But

17:58

it was pretty clear. You're talking

18:00

about like Rudy Giuliani, Mark Meadows, etc.

18:02

Likewise, it was obvious that the anonymous

18:04

former President named as an unindicted cook

18:06

conspirator is Donald Trump. Or unless Obama

18:09

has been, get into some shit so

18:11

we're not heard about. I'm we have.

18:13

What does it mean to be an

18:15

unindicted coconspirators in? Does this mean Trump

18:17

will remain one? Or could he be

18:19

indicted down the road. Unindicted,

18:21

token, scared or it just means kind

18:23

of for purposes a splashing out. You

18:25

know the actual facts and giving the

18:27

grand jury and the jury an idea

18:29

about what actually happened. You are including

18:31

some other person's involvement or for whatever

18:33

reason you know that grand jury or

18:35

prosecutors did not decide to indict. That

18:37

person says he was involved in the

18:39

seen that is not currently facing charges.

18:41

It is possible he could face charges

18:43

in the future. Whether it's that's a

18:45

possibility depends a little bit on one

18:47

the Saturday limitations. For the crime would expire.

18:50

Got. It and then I saw that

18:52

bores have seen who the Trump aid

18:54

or he was indicted in Arizona as

18:56

per this is a collector scheme but

18:59

she was in the courtroom today in

19:01

Manhattan. He's been described as the person

19:03

quarterbacking the legal defense. That.

19:05

Seems complicated. Know activists? how does that

19:07

work? I. Mean there's a bunch

19:09

of players who has been indicted you

19:12

know in the course as Trump's efforts

19:14

to overturn the L accents not as

19:16

far as Epstein on I think Christine

19:18

bob you know with also indicted and

19:20

she was named kind as the person

19:23

in charge of election integrity for the

19:25

Rnc is so and whole host of

19:27

characters and certainly being a lawyer does

19:29

not and immunize you from legal process

19:31

or mean you have a good judgment

19:34

to have weighed trying to. Overturn intellects

19:36

well said. Switching gears again. back

19:38

to the Supreme Court. So yesterday

19:40

the Supreme court heard oral arguments

19:42

are in a big case the

19:44

same related to Idaho's unbelievably draconian

19:47

abortion ban in whether it conflicts

19:49

with several loss We're can you

19:51

give us the basics of i

19:53

was banned and why the government

19:55

is challenging. So

19:57

either those ban says that

19:59

doctor it can only perform

20:01

abortions that are actually necessary

20:03

to save the life of

20:05

the. Pregnant person. What

20:08

this means is they cannot

20:10

perform abortions. That might be

20:12

necessary to save a pregnant

20:14

person's. Forget. His arm

20:16

or potentially prevent further deterioration

20:18

of the emergency medical conditions

20:20

that cause the pregnant reason

20:22

to go to the hospital

20:24

in the first place and

20:26

thereby risking in owed them

20:28

potentially becoming closer to death

20:30

and risking death and that

20:32

is what the Federal government

20:34

says violates and hospitals obligations

20:36

under federal law and taller

20:38

the emergency medical treatment after

20:40

labor acts that requires hospitals

20:42

to provide stabilizing care for

20:44

emergency medical. Conditions in order to

20:46

prevent you know, further deterioration in order

20:49

to prevent serious risk to bodily organs

20:51

or a bodily functions. An Idaho, it's

20:53

like, nope. We can take a woman's

20:56

uterus for kidney pancreas, right? Maybe some

20:58

stomach, small intestine, large intestine to arm.

21:00

As long as she's not going to

21:03

die, I'll get. Screwed

21:05

up. There was a movie yesterday where even

21:07

just as Barrett confess to being shocked by

21:10

unanswered that had been given by Idaho Solicitor

21:12

General, can you help us understand with that

21:14

moment was about and where your take away

21:16

with. Yes, Sir Justice Sotomayor had just

21:19

finished going through a series of examples of

21:21

actual cases where people had been denied up

21:23

or sense under restrictive abortion law similar to

21:25

Idaho's including cases like On Your Cook in

21:28

Florida Us who ended up you know after

21:30

being denied an abortion put on life support

21:32

because she lost so much blood or people

21:34

who went into septic shock or people who

21:37

had to had hysterectomy is because of the

21:39

amount of bleeding and applications you know that

21:41

followed when they were tonight abortions and Justice

21:43

Sotomayor kept asking side whole lawyer could this

21:46

person get an abortion under. Your lawn. I'd

21:48

have a lawyer basically said maybe not.

21:50

Maybe a prosecutor would choose to indict

21:52

the hospital or the doctor for perform

21:54

them At which point just a spirit

21:56

said this is so game To which

21:58

I say. Sweetie. Like,

22:00

have you been paying attention for the last two

22:03

years? I mean on some other like it's good,

22:05

right? that she's soft. On the other hand, it's

22:07

like space eating leopards are gonna eat your face

22:09

to. Any. Do. A lotta

22:11

reporting about this kind of this scenario. The

22:13

muttering i'm. With. You narrative of

22:16

covered you know, the fight over abortion

22:18

bans and may states and amazing deal

22:20

on hysteria or which everyone should check

22:22

out and subscribe. Obviously yes. Why? Why

22:24

is this case? Do you important Beyond

22:27

Idaho? what does it tell us about

22:29

the steaks and the momentum for each

22:31

side? So much said what

22:33

Leah was to same and. This.

22:35

Is bullshit like like these laws

22:37

and people be We're getting incredibly

22:40

graphic and gruesome examples of how

22:42

wrong these are. You know, Republicans

22:44

try to sound very middle of

22:46

the road by saying of course

22:48

the life of the mother you

22:50

know, exceptions for rape and incest

22:52

except the caviar surround them are

22:54

bullshit doctors use of the same

22:56

states where there are huge penalties

22:58

for a doctor who could potentially

23:00

you perform in a bore sense

23:02

that someone could sue later and

23:05

say oh. That wasn't actually. they were

23:07

close enough to die. right? So

23:09

on the one hand, these cases

23:11

I think are. Selling.

23:13

The world. What? Is. Really

23:15

meant by these bands and how disingenuous

23:17

a lot of the sort of caviar

23:20

it's around the at an end the

23:22

exceptions around. some of these things that

23:24

they they say decide to make them

23:26

sound wholesome ends and they're not they're

23:28

they're trask. And also I think that

23:31

if you and mean and actually. Leah.

23:33

I have a question for you Have to

23:35

throw this back Seals and Cilic. The supremacy

23:37

clause is having a moment's because it has

23:40

always been like the supremacy clause. Like how

23:42

is this even an issue with m follow

23:44

like why are they trying to do this

23:46

but. What's beef with the

23:48

Supremacy Clause? Now they're challenging at left

23:50

and right, so maybe I should just

23:52

pause to explain what the Supremacy Clause

23:54

is that this append we analyzed his

23:57

aren't part of the Constitution on and

23:59

it declares that. After all law is

24:01

supreme an Emmy and Tala case he

24:03

of the by the administration marches into

24:05

federal court and says there's a federal

24:07

law and alla that requires hospitals to

24:09

provide stabilizing care and the state says

24:11

but we don't want to fly You

24:13

see blessing care when that stabilizing care

24:15

as an abortion and when federal law

24:17

says one thing that is inconsistent with

24:19

state law federal laws of us are

24:21

went out and as a similar dynamic

24:23

happening in the immigration case where you

24:25

have your. Texas. Passing as

24:27

before and then interfering with federal immigration

24:29

officers attempts to enforce federal immigration laws

24:32

and I think the Supremacy Clause A

24:34

with that has moments when Democrats hold

24:36

office because the Republican Supreme Court doesn't

24:39

like to recognize that democrats get exercise

24:41

political power and hold political power. And

24:43

so in those instances they say will

24:46

of course such as death to determine

24:48

federal immigration policy rather than the by

24:50

the ministry sense. And of course Idaho

24:52

gets to determine you know whether women

24:55

can receive abortions that. Are necessary to

24:57

say they're orphans rather than the

24:59

federal law that Congress passed during

25:01

the Reagan administration. But the weights

25:03

on and so it is just

25:05

a further efforts to impede I

25:07

think democratic administrations ability to govern.

25:09

and that is the threat that

25:11

the super majority republican controlled supreme

25:13

court poses. Who. Smoke Bomb. Okay,

25:15

last piece of truly shitty legal news

25:18

in this a cornucopia to the city

25:20

Legal news is that the New York

25:22

Court of Appeals overturned Harvey Wine. Seems

25:24

twenty twenty rape convictions or we're Can

25:27

you help us understand what happened here?

25:29

What happens rb Wednesday now? What? Does

25:31

he go to prison in California instead?

25:34

He's not released. Know

25:36

he's probably not going to be

25:38

released on The court overturned his

25:40

New York convictions on the ground

25:42

that prosecutors had impermissible. He been

25:45

allowed to introduce evidence of prior

25:47

bad acts for which he was

25:49

not charged in those prior a

25:51

bad acts worse, other sexual assaults

25:54

on and the court ruled for

25:56

the three that those previous sexual

25:58

assaults we're not really. Then to

26:00

an issue at the trial.

26:03

namely, Harvey Weinstein intent on

26:05

the decision to doesn't mean

26:07

Harvey Weinstein is gonna go

26:09

three obviously has the California

26:11

convictions and it's likely he

26:13

will still be in jail

26:15

while New York attempts to

26:18

retry him. But I think

26:20

the dissenting opinion or one

26:22

of the dissenting opinions got

26:24

it right when they basically

26:26

raised the alarm that the

26:28

majority opinion. Just. Inhabits

26:31

as fantasy world that imagines when

26:33

people make an accusation a sexual

26:35

assault, a jury and people will

26:38

necessary believe than and therefore there's

26:40

no need to introduce evidence of

26:43

someone's prior bad acts in order

26:45

to establish their criminal intent and

26:47

willingness to forcibly assault someone you

26:50

know without their consent. And so

26:52

it was a disappointing decision on,

26:55

but that was what the court

26:57

and. So.

26:59

If I'm in everything you read about,

27:01

this guy sounds very guilty to become

27:04

incredibly bad person. What do you think

27:06

this news means for the broader me

27:08

too movement efforts to whole people like

27:11

Harvey once you accountable and just or

27:13

know that what it does. Help.

27:15

People feel that the morale of seeing someone like

27:17

this seem to catch a break from the New York

27:19

Supreme Court. Or gets is not

27:22

good. Not good Tommy, it's not

27:24

good. It's I'm I think that's honestly

27:26

and like. We at Simon it's

27:28

to me it feels a lot like

27:30

well as well sell a little bit

27:32

like. Desolate, Guys. It's

27:35

not done. The sites not over. We

27:38

have to keep our foot on the

27:40

gas. You know, just because we had

27:42

a couple of you know marches and

27:44

people wear pink hats doesn't mean that

27:46

everything is us. All that and we

27:48

can just move on And are. It's

27:51

why elections matter and we have to

27:53

keep voting. And you know, Rv is

27:55

just sas. Harvey. Is a

27:57

blips service a blip and we just

27:59

to be Can that? Ah, we can't

28:01

let this. One. While.

28:04

There are many, but we can't let this

28:06

derail us. You know we have to stay

28:08

motivated. right? Well, we're.

28:11

We. Truly can I think you know for

28:13

being here are you made the show exponentially

28:15

smarter? So thank you to everyone she's described.

28:18

Sick Scrutiny Truly like one of my favorite

28:20

shows. Ever. South Thank you again.

28:22

Thank. You so much for having me! I

28:25

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28:27

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28:29

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28:31

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grabbing but actually good news or

30:28

wall this legal drama unfolds is

30:30

that the administration has been busy

30:32

rolling out regulatory changes that are

30:34

a big deal for actual people.

30:36

On Wednesday the by the Mysteries

30:38

in issued a final rule requiring

30:40

airlines to issue cash refunds for

30:42

cancelled and delayed flights into do

30:44

it quickly. Anyone who's ever lost

30:46

of airline voucher for hundreds of

30:49

dollars knows how big of a

30:51

deal that is. then the Ftc

30:53

band non compete. Agreements for most new

30:55

workers to right now one in five

30:57

workers space and noncompete Or And and

30:59

lastly, today, the Ie P A issued

31:01

a new regulation on coal power plants

31:04

requiring them to cut their emissions by

31:06

ninety percent by Twenty Thirty Nine in

31:08

Titan Rules and other types of pollution

31:10

from these plants. Odyssey that's critical for

31:12

climate change mitigation. The coal industry says

31:15

they can't get to that emissions target

31:17

by Twenty Thirty Nine Ned This whole

31:19

effort is basically and efforts to stamp

31:21

out coal power in the Us all

31:23

together, which. Doesn't. Make me

31:25

say yeah and seems fine or it'll

31:27

a so. These. Regulations. They're obviously

31:30

the right thing to do the great

31:32

for consumers, but the question becomes. How.

31:35

Do we make sure voters actually know

31:37

about them? Any recommendations for the Biden

31:39

team? Freshly sounds and winds here. Sammy.

31:42

Listen, before we recorded today, I was

31:44

telling you how I like to print

31:46

things out and highlight some. Okay my.

31:49

Advice: For the by the administration is

31:51

borderline that basis I want to turn

31:53

on a M S M radio and

31:55

I want to hear people talking about

31:58

this. You know that Eighty Eight. Percent

32:00

of Americans listen to Am Fm radio

32:02

really every week? Wow. Who hundred and

32:04

ninety three million people? You know what

32:07

else they should do? They should seek

32:09

out ads or write articles or op

32:11

eds for a Rp magazine movie. I

32:14

want to know why you wonder why

32:16

thirty eight million readers? So I think

32:18

they need to go like very gorilla,

32:20

very worms ideal and just and do

32:23

the things that people don't think are

32:25

cool Because I actually think that in

32:27

some ways that's how people are. Consuming

32:30

and from a similarly. Know I'm

32:32

I'm with you. Listen like people. Cp Airlines.

32:34

And if you hate airlines, you really hate

32:36

airline vouchers because you're never allowed to use

32:39

them. They're. Always like some reason you can't

32:41

do it, you can't find them you stupid absorbed

32:43

I love this rule. This is where the things

32:45

by did was like why didn't we do that

32:47

the Obama days that so smart. Ah,

32:50

Glad he did it I grew feel like i do

32:52

think. This. Is fodder for a

32:54

funny tight digital ad to like you

32:56

finally find some like Nickel Did find

32:58

someone who got screwed over or miss

33:01

Christmas or whenever people who don't. Care.

33:03

About politics. Remember that Trump sent them

33:05

a check right? Tommy

33:08

This is my this is exactly what

33:10

I'm talking about. Like there should be

33:12

billboards in airports. There should be you

33:14

know when you go into a hotel

33:17

and they have like the scrolling screen

33:19

have led what weddings in which ballroom

33:21

it's it should be up there telling

33:23

people exactly how they can like a

33:25

prince up their vacations. People.

33:28

Save up for a year or years to

33:30

go on of east and the can be

33:32

utterly sucked because of like an airlines malfeasance.

33:34

This is real money for people and so

33:36

I think it's a real if they don't

33:38

try to get this out in every way.

33:40

This is the thing that people. Could.

33:43

Potentially remember. This a

33:45

discreet. It's memorable People love it's the

33:47

non compete clause. Stuff. Is is

33:49

a bigger deal for them. may market generally, but I

33:51

think there's going to have a long legal fights so

33:53

people aren't necessarily going to feel this in their lives

33:55

any time soon. But again, like this is where I

33:58

would love to just see them lean into the. Bite.

34:00

You know you find some fast food

34:02

workers who are harmed by non compete.

34:04

You tell their story line elad you

34:06

mean into the legal case. Like make

34:08

the the Chamber of Commerce the enemy

34:10

here right? Like find it So Nine

34:12

Demagogue Best like people that people remember.

34:14

Stories like that they resonate. They.

34:17

Do. And it's like with everything. Even

34:19

just back to the travel vouchers. Everything

34:21

that's been going on with Boeing. Why

34:23

should a company that's making so much

34:26

money? Why should people who have saved

34:28

up for an airline ticket to go

34:30

to Disney World or visit their sick

34:32

relative. Be. The ones who are put

34:34

out and sell exists. Me this feels like yes,

34:36

Yes Yes Yes yes. This is a yes to

34:38

all of it. Yes Yes. So the question

34:41

I guess again is like by election Day

34:43

I imagine we'll be talking about of higher

34:45

stakes issues more thematic issues like abortion access

34:47

like to feature democracy would even giving job

34:49

and to be running much of ads in

34:51

October about how you know Joe Biden stuck

34:53

at United on your behalf or you think

34:55

it's gonna be you know all row by

34:57

that time. They. Should be fighting on

35:00

every front, right? Because Tommy people are

35:02

motivated by all different kinds of things

35:04

to show up at the polls on

35:06

election Day. So yes, there are people

35:08

who'll be super motivated to save democracy.

35:10

There are people who understand that every

35:12

vote estate potential vote to. I bring

35:14

back roads and sell. You know, I

35:16

think that they can't take anything for

35:18

granted and they should have a strategy

35:20

for each of these issues. Yet so

35:23

also this week President Biden signed the

35:25

bill that would ban Tic Toc if

35:27

by dance the parent company to take

35:29

Tock doesn't sell it within the next

35:31

year or Casey Newton great reporter for

35:34

Plant or wrote an interesting piece about

35:36

just so much legal risk their actually

35:38

use for the government's case here. the

35:40

just is that to talk is like

35:43

we do have a strong First Amendment

35:45

arguments against getting banned. Supreme court has

35:47

previously found that Congress can't ban for

35:49

propaganda including specifically Chinese propagandists will have.

35:52

A case Rtc also points out that

35:54

the governments are other argument which will

35:56

be about data privacy could also be

35:58

weeks given that the. The states doesn't

36:00

have any kind of national data privacy law,

36:02

so do the suggestion that be a banning

36:05

Tic Toc will fix. That is silly that

36:07

China could just go out and buy some

36:09

data from data brokers south west. Big picture

36:11

of where do you land on on this

36:13

decision? Whether it's the writer, the wrong thing

36:15

like I get, obviously the national security concerns.

36:18

Yeah, so do fields. Very bad. For people

36:20

who built the business on Tic Toc to

36:22

a big followings, or who just you know

36:24

rely on it for a sense of community

36:26

that they just can't find where they live.

36:30

Or Tommy? First and foremost, couldn't we

36:32

find something else to than like analyst

36:34

salt weapons agonized. Re. I'd rather the I

36:36

saw up and has a good I mean honestly. Flex

36:39

I a dinosaur but I love Tic

36:41

tacs Once I discovered Tic Toc for

36:43

his services inc for out of all

36:45

birds and X videos this is Sandy

36:48

singing think I love it's and so

36:50

I feel like there has to be

36:52

a third way and the really kind

36:55

of is right like Tic Toc has,

36:57

I think it's like one hundred and

36:59

seventy or one hundred and sixty million.

37:02

Seven or so area. Users

37:04

so. Going

37:06

up by. On.

37:08

When I think fit fit because right

37:10

that is the issue in as to,

37:12

it would be banned as it is

37:14

not bought by someone in the US

37:17

and. I mean I don't know.

37:19

I guess I'm not too worked up about it.

37:21

Just feels like something that's going to get results

37:23

because. They're. Like one hundred and seventy

37:25

million people here who love it ends. You.

37:28

Know I'm hopeful to. I mean there's a

37:30

Reuters report out today where they talked about

37:32

to sources a tick tock. Did say that

37:34

they would rather exit the Us market then

37:36

sell it because ultimately they feel like the

37:39

algorithm is the secret sauce have to talk

37:41

and their algorithm is actually associated with a

37:43

bunch of other by dance companies that we

37:45

don't use that that are used in China.

37:47

I don't know that I necessarily by that

37:50

silent by that Us markets a lotta cash

37:52

men and are my last want to be

37:54

are we just have to take on the

37:56

the congressional in the administration's argument. I mean

37:58

I've obviously not seen any the intel. The and at. Elected.

38:01

Official Saw: It sounds like a pretty

38:03

compelling Yoichi reporter in here. Who is?

38:05

I saw the intelligence that was compelling,

38:07

but thought the government hadn't made the

38:09

case yet mean the government's concerns are

38:11

twofold. There's the question about data privacy

38:13

and whether the Chinese Communist Party to

38:15

go to buy dance and say i

38:17

need this person's what keystroke longer something.

38:20

And then there's the question about whether

38:22

tic toc could be used as a

38:24

propaganda tool to shape you as a

38:26

public opinion. On the the public opinion

38:28

question is interesting to me because there's

38:30

an organization. Called Network Contagion Research

38:32

Institute at Rutgers University, they

38:35

looked at. Popular. Hash

38:37

tags and search terms. So some of

38:39

them were like Taylor Swift or Trump

38:41

and they found that they were basically

38:43

to answer and post for every one

38:46

Tic Toc posts about those topics. But

38:48

when you got to topics that were

38:50

banned in China, the radio change say

38:52

was eight to one. Ah, when it

38:55

came to the week or so, eight

38:57

posts on Instagram to one person Tic

38:59

Toc Thirty to one for Tibet. Fifty.

39:02

Seven to one for Tianamen Square. Hundred, seventy

39:04

four to one for the Hong Kong Protests.

39:06

A year. you're picking up and up and

39:08

down here to put your foot and and

39:10

stuff the Chinese Communist Party doesn't like. And

39:12

gone viral on tic toc. I'm so what are

39:14

your beer? Broader point is ago and like. I

39:17

hope they congress doesn't look at

39:19

this and just decide like great

39:21

works Boys and girls We just

39:23

we solved social media right Players

39:25

The are issues are not Tic

39:27

Toc, it's about data privacy protecting

39:29

zeds, our understanding the mental health

39:32

impact a social media especially on

39:34

on young girls. So this is

39:36

way bigger than Tic Toc. But

39:38

yeah this or of anti China

39:40

sentiments allowed them to pass the

39:42

first major tech regulation. and what

39:44

a decade. And

39:47

you know the the other thing that I'm as

39:49

an essayist it you know. Going

39:51

back to Twenty Twenty Microsoft is this

39:53

is come up before right and sell.

39:55

That is like Twenty. Microsoft was getting

39:57

together with Walmart and they were like.

40:00

You know, let's do this and then

40:02

that didn't happen. But like service. The

40:04

one thing that makes me a little

40:06

nervous his his colleagues. Careful what you

40:08

wish for. America's one of the people

40:10

putting together a bid right now with

40:12

multiple investors to buy Tic Tac is

40:14

Steve minutes and. Former Treasury Secretary for Donald

40:16

Trump. he be an approach I get from Saudi

40:18

money on there too right? So you know

40:21

it's just it's kind of like okay

40:23

if the even I was a little

40:25

bit lay in saying and I think

40:27

that someone's obviously gonna buy it's there

40:29

are like real road blocks to that

40:31

too because it couldn't. Have.

40:33

A metre trying to acquire it would

40:35

probably not get approval. You know that

40:37

would probably different as problematic. Same with

40:40

Amazon so it will require probably. Someone.

40:43

Like a Steve minutes into put together the

40:45

money. But then can you say well we

40:47

don't want Steve. It wouldn't be seed money

40:49

right? owning it, but still not great. Know

40:52

it's really good for abuse your i visited the

40:54

companies that can afford it would have any trust

40:56

issues for you are probably looking at some hodgepodge

40:58

of. Investors. With the with

41:00

big backing him someone like someone who can would I?

41:02

yeah I don't want him. With. The Keys:

41:05

The algorithm either so Donald Trump's

41:07

or uses for political advantage. Obviously

41:09

on Monday he truths quotes just

41:11

so everyone knows, especially young people.

41:13

Crooked Joe Biden is responsible for

41:15

banning Tic Toc. Accurate, but

41:17

not subtle. So Trump clearly thinks the

41:20

band can give him a political advantage.

41:22

With young people the argument or he's

41:24

making is obviously complicated by the sonic

41:26

than Twenty Twenty Trump himself as you

41:28

to allocative order trying to ban I

41:30

see us that yeah with later blocked

41:32

in court by a judge that Trump

41:34

had appointed. Ah how much political risky

41:36

think this tic toc band creates for

41:38

buy. Tickets

41:40

that much risk because it's

41:42

weirdly. The Issue: That's

41:45

like united democrats and Republicans, so I

41:47

don't think it's great for Biden. but

41:49

I do think that that gives him

41:51

some cover. Yeah, did there was a

41:53

little bit of pulling on this back in

41:56

the day, so ah there was thirty eight

41:58

percent support for banning tic? Twenty

42:00

Seven percent oppose in a poll in

42:02

December of Twenty Twenty Three, but the

42:04

support number had dropped from fifty percent

42:06

in March of Twenty Twenty Three to

42:08

Thirty Eight. Presents was going down. But

42:10

you know, to your point about like

42:12

this actually united Republicans and Democrats for

42:15

once. That's. Because the only thing

42:17

that seems you know these guys is kind of

42:19

Cold War two point now into China sentiment, right

42:21

into Biden. makes his parts of a broader message

42:23

about getting tough on China and says Trump is

42:26

weak because he wanted the let's you know the

42:28

Ccp keep their propaganda tool in the U S.

42:30

Innkeeper get hooked on it. Have been. That could

42:32

be a powerful argument to. Totally.

42:35

That's a weird that think the passing

42:37

and seven weeks that is like lightning

42:39

fast introduction to passage. Like

42:41

week you get like hurricane

42:43

disaster. Fun! Think that's. That's

42:45

right, right arm. Last question all sometimes

42:47

yeah or dinner mints and one another

42:50

problem. So laughing. Lastly, on this list

42:52

ah the Biden campaign says it's gonna

42:54

keep using Tic Toc even though they're

42:56

banning it through the election that putting

42:58

in some sort of enhance security measures.

43:01

Ah, does that bother you? Think anyone

43:03

cares. Anyone

43:06

really cares? I don't really care, but I

43:08

think the bigger question is like, what are

43:10

the enhanced security measures and can we get

43:12

that? Right! And also I mean

43:14

if they think Tic Toc is choosing

43:17

the algorithm now. What's. Gonna happen

43:19

when supervising the side of post stuff on

43:21

and later. So I

43:23

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43:25

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Or it last topic here. So

45:54

we talked in a live show

45:56

on Sunday about Br. Trump v

45:58

P. Hunt, the selection process. The

46:00

didn't get away and so on. And I

46:02

didn't pick your brain on this. Ministers Melissa

46:04

Stories I'm So who who you put your

46:06

money on right now in terms of the

46:08

potential the be candidates? Who's your favorite? Food

46:10

is you put your money on. I got a know. I mean,

46:12

I try to stir the pot a little bit. so I said

46:14

Tulsi Gabbert could be interesting. To. Like generating

46:17

story. Bring it on. someone who was once a

46:19

democrat. showing that you're bi partisan, I don't think

46:21

that's a good idea. I wouldn't do it if

46:23

I were him. but now. See, I

46:25

think that search ramp like lox.

46:27

He has so much legal trouble

46:29

right now. he's going to draw

46:31

this out as long as humanly.

46:33

Possible. He is going to

46:35

wait until he feels the title wave a common

46:38

with one of his legal things and then he's

46:40

gonna throw the since the Universe and I have

46:42

to say if I picked someone. Because.

46:44

You know he loves of beauty pageant. He

46:46

loves Central Casting. He loves all of it

46:48

And will. Kristi Noem. Okay, that's I think

46:50

Aaron was there to. Alessi. Okay,

46:52

ideal solution. I actually have not talked

46:55

about it. Kristi Noem sits the bell

46:57

see is attractive which matters to him.

46:59

You know? I think South Dakota's had

47:01

a republican governor since like twenty sistine

47:03

or something like that so you know,

47:05

and lieutenant governor anyway so there's no

47:08

way to risk it wouldn't be like

47:10

bacteria lake situation. See, I'm gonna go

47:12

to see now. That's good. I mean

47:14

Im sick in the in the region. Dog Bergen

47:16

could be your pick and he could write you

47:18

like an unlimited checks or to give your on

47:20

the ticket. Ah, You can write as

47:22

much as you want yourself, and he's worth hundreds of

47:24

millions of dollars. Who's that's But you're right. I mean,

47:27

Trump. Rookies: A lot of things must.

47:29

Sees a little she's a little abortion fairy dust

47:31

to re. It's like she's a one man yeah

47:33

which to him is like will sell to people

47:35

that he'd be maybe isn't as bad as he

47:38

says he is but you know I think there's

47:40

a little like what. I can't be that bad.

47:42

I've got a woman with. Me gathered that

47:44

is absolute gays and eve use it

47:46

all sort of objects and so, and

47:48

so,'s from central casting you're right that

47:50

he. Like. The guys get a

47:52

minute waiting the press. He has air about

47:54

lying so he's going to drag this out.

47:56

He's gonna leak a short list and add

47:58

people are move people. He's. Gonna say

48:01

dance for me he's gonna Alabama profiles yeah,

48:03

didn't like it may make sense because you

48:05

if he is, he's sense of the deck

48:07

ramaswamy to his state, the campaign for him.

48:09

That's one thing but Vegas out and campaigns

48:12

for you and a swing states and you

48:14

week in advance that he could be the

48:16

vice presidential nominee. This gonna get more attention

48:18

he's gonna raise more money for Yeah right?

48:20

Like there's no downside for Trump. None.

48:23

None whatsoever. And mc to honestly let us go

48:25

as long as he wants to. That really, he

48:27

can. Just he can do it whenever it's the

48:30

spirit moves. And float away. So the convention?

48:32

Okay, so honest. A You oversaw

48:34

the Bp selection process in two different campaigns

48:36

for for John Kerry for Barack Obama. Let's

48:38

start with carry: how did he view the

48:40

process and like? Given that literally every political

48:43

reporter in the country is desperate to break

48:45

this news, tell us about some of the

48:47

cloak and dagger said you had to do

48:49

that to keep it secret. So. It's

48:51

funny because of the carry days. It's how

48:54

Jeff Zeleny and I became friends because he's

48:56

always been on the V P Beats on

48:58

we're Bustle Babies Back Then the line. Reporter

49:00

than New York Times I believe Penny. Or times

49:02

and sell. You know I worked for John

49:04

Kerry back when Al Gore was considering him

49:07

as a running me in two thousand and

49:09

four did this thing that was like a

49:11

little uncool or he wanted Joe Lieberman city

49:13

the big Surprise and sell still has a

49:16

lot of beating that it was going to

49:18

be John Kerry and as a whip John

49:20

Kerry when it was announced that it was

49:22

Joe Lieberman and it was. Great

49:25

to send it via. when it was and

49:27

all. It's like a year understood. kind of

49:30

like Gore was doing, but it really informed

49:32

how John Kerry wanted to run the process.

49:34

Then when he became the nominee in two

49:36

thousand and four and see was like I

49:39

never want anyone to steal the way that

49:41

I south and sell Alyssa since you were

49:43

they bear with me. I want you to

49:45

do this and I want it to be

49:48

such a secret. Literally East

49:50

Tommy We did such cloak

49:52

and dagger stuff that people

49:54

reporters saw it. There was

49:56

a period time before the

49:58

convention I think. Kerry with

50:00

that never worked on on a

50:02

steep and all the reporters were

50:04

convinced that the meetings were actually

50:07

happening in the dentist's office until

50:09

they saw his teeth on. But

50:11

we were doing. I mean we

50:13

had we had Bob Graham I

50:15

Chinese food with Bob Graham you

50:17

know senator then senator from Florida

50:19

he had she had this diary

50:21

remember that every why he would

50:23

write everything. Everything he does. Your. Diary. So

50:25

we were waiting for John Kerry and

50:27

he likes writing down and my friend

50:29

who used to work for hims she's

50:31

like girl un that chinese food order

50:33

are now in the diary. You

50:35

know them, Summer. As I hung out

50:37

with all of these people for it. Like because the

50:39

thing is the way we would do it. say. John

50:42

Kerry. that example was Tom Vilsack. She

50:45

was meeting with then Governor of Iowa

50:47

Tonsils Act So if carry was going

50:49

to meet with Vilseck let's say five

50:51

o'clock in the afternoon I'm getting Vilseck

50:53

into the hotel upstairs. you know look

50:56

like a full like baseball hat. The

50:58

whole thing like three hours earlier right?

51:00

So might as it the loveliest conversation

51:02

with Tom Vilsack. He was like tell

51:04

me about yourself on because I think

51:07

Kfc went to school of Seek New

51:09

York. So all of these people it

51:11

was like you. Know Bob Graham.

51:14

The reporters secured out that John

51:16

Kerry they sought sanctuary with meeting

51:18

with someone I physically push that

51:20

man into a current through his

51:22

jacket over her said. It

51:25

was like my Olivia Pope move. As a I

51:27

can't believe it. Good, an epic, and

51:30

basically. Totally. And so the

51:32

thing about it is at of all the

51:34

people John Kerry met, we met them all

51:36

over the country. We brought people to unexpected

51:38

sort of locations where no one would see

51:40

them like at the airport and think I'll

51:43

like. By. A So and so here. And

51:46

then like. When we announced John

51:48

Edwards, nobody knew you had no, but

51:50

he had an idea that it was

51:53

gonna be John Edwards none of the

51:55

meetings leaks. In. Two thousand and four.

51:57

That is an amazing accomplishment truly for the would

51:59

understand me. Everyone is watching this process

52:01

and there's a lot of people ran into

52:03

it and given as from leaking it's amazing

52:06

How did Obama process differ from Cares. So

52:08

as didn't differ much at all. see see

52:11

see where meetings that people than carried it

52:13

carrying I think I think I personally was

52:15

there for like five or six meetings with

52:18

Carry and with Obama I think he did

52:20

three. And seeing as things that come a

52:22

long way since then especially because just as

52:24

Eleni had been iterative and he's like let's

52:27

look at airports, let's see where people are

52:29

flying in and out of to the point

52:31

that. It wasn't

52:33

so biden. One

52:36

of the people it might have been Evan

52:38

by someone that that Barack Obama was meeting

52:40

with. I was like flying them into a

52:43

different cities airport so that they couldn't I

52:45

think we use like East Philadelphia Airport. Oh

52:47

med been Joe Biden. We use East Philadelphia

52:49

Airport for Axelrod. David Axelrod, David Plouffe to

52:52

go see Joe Biden. Like even staff members

52:54

who are going to see some of these

52:56

candidates. We were being super likes. To.

52:58

Suffer through nothing. Because everybody had,

53:01

everybody had sort of picked up on the

53:03

tricks. you know, because. I doing very

53:05

well. These guys tracking the tail numbers

53:07

of private planes are you talking about?

53:09

Like sending a staffer to a. Public.

53:12

Airport in the wrong city. There with they

53:14

were tracking because at this point no

53:16

one's find commercial for this sort of

53:19

stuff. They were tracking tail numbers to

53:21

when from. You know if there had

53:23

been rumors of you know, Tim.

53:26

Kaine for example, people are checking the

53:28

Dc airports. They're setting the Richmond airport.

53:30

you know. I think we actually busted.

53:32

I think one of our colleagues, Ted

53:35

Ted busted Tim Kaine out his house

53:37

without his family even knowing smile know

53:39

because Barack Obama? That other things than

53:42

Senate Sen Sen. Obama felt was that

53:44

what John Terry did with so honorable

53:46

right because you want to have the

53:48

freedoms to have conversations with people's but

53:51

the not have them be humiliated for

53:53

having agreed to be part of the

53:55

process. Right? Like nobody wants to be like,

53:57

oh yeah, Like I didn't make the climate. And

54:00

so I think the dow was

54:02

very respectful. and then if you

54:05

look at. Donald. Don't

54:07

Leave. He has done be

54:09

exact opposite of anyone ever. This

54:11

is just stay apprentice like beauty

54:13

pageants which I even for republicans

54:15

I just think is really I'm.

54:19

Like sad for me. To

54:21

your point about the kind of giving

54:23

peace people some proper respect. I mean,

54:25

you're not only. The. Holding out

54:27

the hope that you might be the next

54:29

Vice president United States, you are asked to

54:31

turn over. All your financial details

54:34

only like unbelievably intrusive vetting forums is

54:36

a mean. It's like it's like a

54:38

security clearance on steroids, right? I mean,

54:41

like hundreds and hundreds of pages. Everything

54:43

you've ever done that might possibly be

54:45

leaked to the press and be embarrassing

54:48

to the camping. Slowly

54:50

add to the lungs there is one.

54:52

There was one story so far that

54:54

for the Obama Seretse I was in

54:56

the headquarters the whole time I had

54:58

people who like totally trust issue or

55:00

out in the field sort of making

55:02

these meetings happens. But the best phone

55:04

call I thought list from one of

55:06

our dear friends ads asks who was

55:08

like am. So. Biden. he

55:10

had aviators on and a baseball hat

55:12

and he got off the plane before

55:14

I was there and this there was

55:17

like a tour group that had come

55:19

on a chartered flights into I think

55:21

we we did the Biden meeting in

55:23

Minneapolis and all of these like older

55:25

americans are like on a bus and

55:27

see Joe Biden as she was so

55:29

worried that we've been busted because him

55:31

trying to look incognito was actually like

55:34

a beacon of Biden as. To. Smoke in

55:36

my mouth. Just totally. Different

55:39

glasses next time you had me my my

55:41

final memory of that. Of the

55:43

whole process list which is like the night before.

55:46

Trying. To go to bed I had my phone on.

55:48

And. Act like reporters were just like rolling calls into

55:50

my cellphone. So does I'm not going to answer this.

55:53

I'm not going to tell you who it is. I

55:55

don't even know my job or another three speeches know,

55:57

I knew there were three. Symmetry speeches I

55:59

didn't. Even know until.

56:02

I. Had to have the charter company on

56:05

hold. And and I I just got

56:07

the airport. That was all I was told that

56:09

was just a couple of hours in advance. So

56:11

couple hours in advance you don't even know who's getting

56:13

on the plane you charter down. So secret it was.

56:17

Someone. Bring me back. I want to do it again.

56:19

The I did it mean I thought it was very what

56:21

are you having? The final question? Isn't you think? What I'm

56:23

wondering is. Dishonest. Trump Really want to

56:25

do something interesting. To. See really want to

56:27

shake things up or to see just want someone

56:29

who won't outside him will cause problems and is

56:31

going to be like I gd vamps. You

56:34

know? probably? I mean, I think that here's

56:36

the problem with Trump is that because nothing

56:38

he does is genuine or guided by logic

56:41

or reason, it's we have no idea why

56:43

he's gonna end up picking someone you know?

56:45

I mean, see. Could. Be. Around

56:47

the my pillow guys it's gonna be like

56:49

pick Jd Vance, You'll win Ohio Nice. You

56:52

know, like like blink, see. so susceptible to

56:54

any sort of like. Last for a

56:56

somersault. Yeah. That it's the it'll be

56:58

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57:00

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