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the prosecution's witnesses in the Manhattan trial,

2:43

including Hope Hicks, delivered damning new testimony

2:45

against Donald Trump. We're also going to

2:47

talk about Trump's donor retreat at Mar-a-Lago,

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get involved in this election. But

3:14

first, some big developments in Gaza over the

3:16

last several days. Hamas said they

3:18

agreed to a ceasefire deal drawn up by Qatar

3:20

in Egypt. It's unclear what the

3:22

terms of the deal were, but the Israeli government

3:24

rejected it and then announced that they were striking

3:26

Hamas targets in Eastern Rafa, where they've also begun

3:29

evacuating more than 100,000 Palestinians in

3:31

preparation for an invasion. They

3:33

also said they'll send a delegation to keep negotiating

3:35

a deal. The sticking point seems to

3:37

be the length of the ceasefire. Hamas wants it

3:40

to be permanent. Israel does not. Biden

3:42

spoke to Netanyahu just before all this

3:44

happened and warned him against invading Rafa.

3:47

And then a U.S. official told Reuters

3:49

that Washington is committed to stopping the

3:52

invasion and that Netanyahu has

3:54

not approached these negotiations with Hamas in

3:56

good faith. Obviously,

3:58

a lot we still don't know. But Tommy,

4:00

what's the reason Bibi doesn't seem

4:03

to want a permanent ceasefire if it

4:05

would mean getting the hostages back? Because

4:08

getting the hostages back is a priority, but

4:10

not the sole priority or probably even his

4:13

first priority. I mean, he said repeatedly that

4:15

he believes that they need to destroy Hamas

4:18

and that he thinks that requires a ground

4:21

abation into Rafah because that's where the remaining battalions

4:23

of Hamas fighters are and where

4:25

the Hamas leadership is. The

4:27

more cynical version or

4:29

read on this is that Netanyahu is

4:31

facing some political pressure from the families

4:34

of hostages, but he faces even more

4:36

existential pressure from the right wingers in

4:38

his cabinet who want a Rafah invasion.

4:41

For example, Itamar Ben Gevir, the

4:43

national security minister, said, we did

4:46

not attack Gaza and we got October 7th,

4:48

we didn't attack Rafah and we got a

4:50

precision attack. Netanyahu go to Rafah now. So

4:52

this is a guy who could pull his

4:54

coalition support and topple the government, which makes

4:57

Netanyahu out of power. So there's a lot

4:59

of people that think Bibi is perpetuating the

5:01

war because it will help him stay in

5:03

power for as long as possible. And maybe

5:05

you can use that power to evade some

5:07

corruption charges down the road. But that's the

5:10

kind of more cynical read. I

5:12

mean, it sure seems like he's putting his own political

5:15

future in his job, maybe his own

5:17

freedom, I guess, ahead of

5:19

the lives of hostages at this

5:21

point. And I just like I saw

5:23

someone say, well, you know, if you if you do

5:26

that deal and then you promise to end the war,

5:28

it rewards Hamas for taking hostages. But like, I don't

5:30

know what kind of reward that

5:32

is after this war already has

5:34

taken so many lives and also

5:36

destroyed a lot of Hamas. And

5:39

then I don't know. I think

5:41

that like you have a chance, you have a deal to

5:43

get the hostages back. I don't understand why you wouldn't take

5:45

it. It's like pressure from the families, also pressure from like

5:48

thousands of Israelis protesting now. Tommy,

5:50

what do you think Biden should do if this

5:52

deal falls apart and Israel invades? I mean, they've

5:54

already started to strike. But I mean, I look,

5:56

it hasn't started yet. I think it's they've been

5:58

hitting Ratha targets for. very long time and

6:01

they've told people to evacuate but there's no

6:03

way. They're not evacuating people. You're just told

6:05

to go somewhere else essentially. I think it's

6:07

absolutely critical that they use every bit of

6:09

leverage they have now to get

6:11

a ceasefire and prevent this large ground invasion

6:13

in Tarafa. The statistics are

6:15

34,000 people are already dead including an

6:17

estimated 13,000 children and now

6:19

the World Food Program says there is

6:21

a full-blown famine happening in northern Gaza.

6:24

One aid crossing in northern Gaza is

6:26

closed now because Hamas shelled an area

6:28

near it over the weekend. The other

6:30

main aid crossing is Rafa. You have

6:33

to assume that would get shut

6:35

down during a Rafa invasion so the question is

6:37

where are people going to get food from? There

6:39

are people who have

6:41

now been asked to evacuate five, six,

6:43

seven times with their families. They

6:46

don't have clean water. They don't have sanitation. They can

6:48

barely find food now let

6:50

alone fuel to evacuate or go somewhere.

6:53

So you'll have people who I

6:55

talked to someone who leads an aid organization today this

6:57

morning and she said some people are just saying no

6:59

I'm not going to evacuate this time. You told me to evacuate so many

7:02

times and I'm just not going to do it so these people are going

7:04

to be in the line of fire. So I

7:06

just think that at this point you

7:08

cannot justify expanding this war. It is

7:11

a moral and strategic and humanitarian disaster.

7:13

Thousands more kids will die and

7:16

so even from the Israeli standpoint

7:18

I think a Rafa invasion is more

7:20

likely to kill the hostages and rescue

7:22

them. I think it will lead to

7:24

Israel being more isolated and I also

7:26

think that this military effort is based

7:28

on a false promise from

7:30

Netanyahu that you can eradicate Hamas

7:33

entirely through a military means. That

7:36

is just I don't think that's true. Even the Israeli military

7:38

says that Hamas will exist after the

7:40

war as a guerrilla

7:42

group as an extremist group. They're an

7:44

idea. They're a resistance occupation and so

7:46

we've learned in Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan that

7:49

you can't find a

7:51

military solution to a political problem and

7:53

there will have to be some sort

7:55

of political talks or accommodation That

7:57

gets to a two-state solution. And so my

7:59

prior... Yeah I were sitting in the

8:01

White House would be to do everything humanly

8:04

possible to get a ceasefire immediately and then

8:06

fled eight with into Gaza and then figure

8:08

out the rest later. I

8:11

also understand. Like. The

8:13

Israelis want to. You. Know,

8:15

root out a massive leadership and defend themselves

8:17

from another October Seven sale attacks. But it

8:19

does seem like you could do both of

8:21

those things are this: You have a chance

8:23

to do both those things, particularly defend yourself

8:25

without doing a full ground invasion of Rafa

8:27

right? I couldn't. You just like have a

8:29

cease fire and then you know there's target

8:32

operations down the road and you from you

8:34

know all that kind of yes and no.

8:36

I mean was in at the by think

8:38

you a couple things. one you have to

8:40

imagine. To. Put yourself in the

8:42

mindset. I do think you have to try

8:44

to imagine how we all felt six months

8:46

after Nine Eleven. And there's a piece of

8:49

this where they want you want to take

8:51

out Cockeyed? Are you wanna take out a

8:53

mosque? There's also just I think a desire

8:55

for vengeance and wishes be honest about that.

8:57

There is also this tunnel infrastructure where they

9:00

same guy us in was hiding and other

9:02

do either leadership of Hamas. They believe that

9:04

in Juarez surrounded by fifteen or so hostages

9:06

are to protect himself from some sort of

9:08

you know military operation or or airstrike. Ah

9:11

and. So it's very complicated. like I'm not.

9:13

seeing any of this is easy. But I

9:15

do think six months, seven months into this

9:17

war like we've seen the death toll. We

9:19

seen how badly it's gone for everyone involved

9:21

in a time to get to a ceasefire

9:23

I hear you on the White House. ah

9:25

to put much pressure as possible on getting

9:27

to a ceasefire. How

9:30

are they meant to do that? Then.

9:32

Israel's. Interests and Netanyahu's Idriss

9:34

Don't Line. right? Like that.

9:36

That's what I did not Not not saying you're

9:38

you don't You don't understand sir. I'm just that

9:40

is to me like the challenge in as Witches.

9:43

Biden Call's Bb just today right to make

9:45

sure that they opened this crossing. And

9:48

as they're clearly trying. Every

9:50

way they can to get to a cease fire.

9:53

but. When. net when there is a

9:55

warhead recognition that israel's interest is in

9:57

a ceasefire that this is not serving

9:59

the security and

10:02

strategic interest of this country, but Netanyahu has

10:04

his own equities in this. I

10:07

guess I just don't understand how you kind of cut

10:09

that knot. I mean, I think what a lot

10:11

of people want to see is more

10:13

of a carrot and stick approach where

10:15

there are real consequences for defying

10:18

US requests like this that

10:21

include conditioning aid or cutting off, you know,

10:24

weapon shipments or, you know, filling, you know,

10:26

more recognition of Palestinian statehood in the UN.

10:28

There's a lot of ways to put

10:31

pressure on Netanyahu. None of them are comfortable

10:33

for someone like Biden, who's

10:36

a, you know, long-time, like, self-professed lover

10:38

of Israel and supporter of the

10:41

Israeli project and government. But, you know, I

10:43

think a lot of Democrats want to see

10:45

more of that pressure track. Well, and Biden,

10:47

I mean, in the White House readout of

10:49

the call today, they said he reiterated

10:51

his clear position on Rafa, which is

10:53

don't invade Rafa. And

10:56

when he had said that previously, he also

10:58

said, you know, or the White House had

11:00

said, like, there could be

11:02

a rethinking of support for Israel. Right. So,

11:04

like, I think if they go through with

11:06

this invasion, he's got to, he

11:08

can't just, like, have drawn that line and

11:11

then not do anything. After the IDF struck

11:13

that World Central Kitchen convoy and killed seven

11:15

aid workers, Biden made a call to Netanyahu

11:18

that sounded like it was very difficult. He

11:20

demanded several things. And, you know, Netanyahu

11:22

went out and said that they would

11:25

accede to those demands. I think a

11:27

lot of people saw that example and

11:29

thought, okay, the pressure track has been

11:31

effective where six months of requests have not.

11:33

So let's, you know, emphasize that more. And

11:35

I think that is the right path, clearly.

11:37

Totally. All right. Let's talk about the latest

11:39

in Trump's criminal trial. On Friday, Hope Hicks

11:41

delivered some of the most damning testimony yet

11:44

against her former boss when she revealed that

11:46

Trump told her that he knew about the

11:48

hush money payments to Stormy Daniels and was

11:50

glad the story didn't come out before the

11:52

election. Trump also said that Cohen made the

11:54

payments on his own, which Hicks said she

11:56

believed was a lie. She

11:58

then broke down into tears on the... Stand on Monday.

12:00

The prosecution moved on to the falsifying

12:03

business records part of the crime. They

12:05

called the Trump Organization former comptroller to

12:07

the Stand who admitted that Trump's reimbursement

12:09

to Michael Cohen was falsely recorded as

12:11

a legal expense and the Trump signed

12:13

the checks. Oh, and Judge Marshawn help

12:15

Trump in contempt of court a second

12:17

time for violating his gag order again

12:19

and threatened incarceration again. Same quote. The

12:21

last thing I want to do is

12:23

put you in jail, but at the

12:25

end of the day I have a

12:27

job to do. Ah, and here's what.

12:29

From. Had to say about that after the trial. Is

12:32

much. Worse

12:35

after that. That's

12:40

why that juror number seven is a real

12:43

South. And

12:45

I'll say it of I house you for the country. Items

12:48

in seeking Trump was terrified go to jail the

12:50

wondering if he wants to to seem like a

12:52

martyr for as people now I I keep going

12:54

back and forth on it and today after that

12:56

I'm like I'm a little more on the side

12:58

of. I'm where you are Tommy, I don't

13:00

I still I still don't believe it. I still think

13:03

he's put on a show that doesn't want to go

13:05

what he wants to sing in the J Six quiet.

13:07

Moments yeah I guess the and another taking the

13:09

other hitmaker probably asking you know that's true for

13:11

is like bill how long when I spend in

13:14

jail Rain rain, go to be one at a

13:16

time is right. We upstate or I don't Erasers

13:18

I think they're like that. I think that the

13:20

the lack of control over. Face.

13:22

Hair body I think like a big deal. I

13:24

think it's a big deal for hims. He wears

13:26

a hat when it's windy. knows a lot of

13:28

jail. Yeah. oh that that he know

13:31

these I can get thrown in a cell with other

13:33

are with other inmates you know. Right time

13:35

and a secret service buddies yeah so

13:37

you probably were accused of are talking

13:39

about while just mob doesn't moon of

13:41

smart of service so thing stupid usually

13:43

we have guess without actual law degrees

13:45

with us to talk about these developments

13:47

but I'm from everything you guys have

13:49

seen and read. How. You feel about

13:52

how this trial was going for Trump Should he actually

13:54

start measuring the drapes at Rikers? Or what? Eyes

13:57

are going pretty well. Ah that the who

13:59

picks. Testimony is interesting. There's

14:02

two parts that stood out to me. One was

14:04

when she first gets the emailed transcript

14:06

of the Access Hollywood tape and

14:09

she goes and she brings it to Trump. Trump's like, that doesn't

14:11

sound like me. I wouldn't say that. And then

14:13

minutes later they had the video, which I thought

14:15

was great. Just, you know, anyway. He's a liar.

14:18

He's a fucking liar. That's the point of that.

14:20

But there's the part where she describes Trump telling

14:22

her after it becomes public about

14:24

Michael Cohen making the payments, where

14:27

Trump tells Hope Hicks

14:30

something like, I just talked to

14:32

Michael. I just talked to him.

14:35

Michael did it out of the goodness of his heart. And

14:38

he did it without my knowledge. He did it out of the goodness

14:40

of his heart. And that's what Michael did. I just talked to him.

14:43

Oh, but good thing it didn't come out before the

14:45

election. And good thing it didn't come out before the

14:47

election. But just that kind of fucking

14:50

dime store mafioso, like getting the story straight

14:52

thing, just comes across. And the fact that

14:54

she's breaking down as she tells us, and

14:57

I'm sure is a very compelling witness. I

15:00

don't think it was a good day for him.

15:02

I also like that we learned that I think

15:04

Trump apparently asked Hope to hide the newspapers that

15:06

got delivered to Trump's home to

15:08

keep Melania from seeing a story about

15:10

his affair with Karen McDougal, which is

15:12

a technique that didn't work before the

15:15

internet. Because

15:17

other people get newspapers and they can call your

15:19

wife. It's so funny. But

15:21

you assume Melania has a phone? I don't know. I

15:25

don't know if she has a phone. But that was interesting. Yeah. Whether

15:28

Trump directed Michael Cohen to do it,

15:30

or whether Michael Cohen actually did it out of the

15:32

goodness of his heart, Andrew Weissman was saying that

15:35

it doesn't actually matter for

15:37

this case because Trump knowing

15:39

about the scheme after

15:41

the fact and knowing about it, like that's all they

15:43

need to prove, that he knew about

15:45

it. He knew that falsifying the business records

15:47

was in furtherance of covering up the campaign

15:49

finance violation. So that's what they have to

15:51

prove. It is more damning. If what Hicks

15:54

said is true and what Michael Cohen surely

15:56

will say is true, which is of course

15:58

Trump directed Michael Cohen to do it. But

16:00

it's not absolutely necessary. Yeah, I mean

16:02

look I'm sure that's right legally Because

16:06

he's the lawyer. Yeah, and we're nothing right I

16:08

follow in Royce but just in terms of like

16:11

the story Like for people

16:13

hearing this like I do think it is actually

16:15

Important in terms of the seriousness of it to

16:17

know that like from the beginning He was directing

16:19

this that he wasn't just after the fact trying

16:21

to kind of well Fuck

16:24

up the ledger and I think that's why

16:26

they started with pecker right because they wanted

16:28

to lay that predicate that this started in

16:30

2015 2016 Trump was there Trump entered into

16:32

the deal with them said let's do this

16:34

catch-and-kill thing with any any kind of story

16:36

that comes up And so now you have

16:39

to believe the Trump wanted to do that

16:41

with Karen McDougal the negative stories on his opponents

16:43

all this other shit But when it came to Stormy

16:45

Daniels, then it was just Michael Cohen acting Some

16:48

people think it's a better strategy to start with pecker some

16:50

people finish with pecker But I

16:52

think I think in this case you were

16:54

right. I think starting with pecker was nice I

16:58

think Big picture hope

17:00

seemed to confirm that picture Trump

17:03

Ran a micromanage everything that happened in

17:06

his little family business and

17:08

the idea that Michael Cohen was

17:11

Catching kill an article out of the goodness

17:14

of his heart does not ring true to

17:16

anybody Well and and today Monday was all

17:18

about the the business records falsification and that

17:20

seems like a pretty airtight case Yeah, not

17:22

just because of the testimony, but they also

17:24

have documents They introduce all kinds of evidence,

17:27

and it's like Alan Weisselberg writing on it

17:29

like this is for Stormy Caught

17:33

and killed So

17:35

you know and it's like they have this

17:37

whole thing where like Trump signs all the checks And

17:39

then Trump's telling people like I want to

17:41

look at every envoy I mean it's just

17:44

it's there's a lot of evidence a lot

17:46

of evidence that the he knowingly falsified the

17:48

business record Yeah, well I also just we

17:50

went into this It's obvious the

17:53

evidence was there the facts were there was always just

17:55

the question about the this the How

17:57

novel the case was which a bunch of liberal?

18:00

lawyers decided was, it was

18:02

novel, then it became the only case going forward, then it became

18:04

iron fucking clad. And

18:06

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20:30

Trump spent the weekend at his beach club

20:32

speaking to his richest donors and potential running

20:34

mates. The New York Times got a hold

20:36

of an audio recording and wrote that Trump,

20:38

quote, delivered a frustrated and often obscene speech

20:41

lasting roughly 75 minutes where

20:43

he compared the Biden administration to the

20:45

Gestapo, called Jack Smith ugly, mocked Bill

20:47

Barr, and said the Democrats start

20:49

off with 40 percent of the vote because of

20:51

federal employees, union members, and people on welfare. The

20:54

insinuation there is the Democrats give government assistance

20:56

in exchange for votes. Jake

20:58

Tapper asked VP contender Doug Burgum

21:00

about the irony of Trump making this

21:02

accusation while promising tax cuts to his

21:04

rich donors. And here's what he said. Donald

21:07

Trump telling the room full of donors, wealthy

21:09

people, millionaires, billionaires, that he's going to cut

21:12

their taxes. Is that is

21:14

that buying votes any different? Well,

21:17

first of all, I just reject the

21:19

whole premise of this idea of wealthy donors.

21:21

I mean, the room of people that were

21:23

there yesterday are all people that were job

21:26

traders. These are these are Americans that were

21:28

took risks that that, you know, they're not

21:30

wealthy, sometimes risk everything they had to start

21:32

to start a business. Well, they're wealthy now.

21:36

I was hearing that for the first time. And that's good stuff. That

21:39

is good stuff. So I don't understand why

21:41

you're using the W word, Jake. I

21:45

will just say there's too many clips. We're going to

21:47

use this one. Doug Burgum, just a couple of days

21:49

ago on Fox when he was getting interviewed by Laura

21:51

Ingram, he said that she was asking

21:53

him about some Trump policies like, you know, billionaires,

21:55

billionaires should want to vote for Trump because he's

21:57

going to help them succeed. Sure. I'm

22:01

hoping now. Doug Burgum, he should

22:04

pick Doug. My boy Doug. You're on

22:06

the Doug train. Do you think it would be great

22:08

to have Doug Burgum walking around talking about how billionaires

22:10

have rights too? I just think that's a great thing.

22:12

Big bushy eyebrows. Yeah, that's what I... Anyway,

22:14

it sounds like a real fun event. Wish I could

22:17

have been there. The Biden campaign responded with a statement

22:19

that hit Trump for the Gestapo comments, but interestingly they

22:21

led with the welfare comments. You guys think those are

22:23

more damaging or what were your thoughts on all that?

22:26

I think Trump has done a version of the Gestapo.

22:28

It might be new. It's one of those things where

22:30

I heard it. It didn't shock me for even a

22:32

second. It should upset us, but it didn't shock me.

22:35

Well, sure, it no longer does because Trump's

22:37

killed that part of us. Yeah, the welfare

22:39

comments to me, I saw people comparing it

22:41

to the Romney 47% comment. Or

22:44

the welfare stuff. The welfare stuff. Whether or not

22:46

that comparison is accurate or

22:48

not, I think any time Trump is

22:51

in a room full of plutocrats to crying in

22:54

the welfare state, I think you're in a good

22:56

zone. That's where I want to live. I like that.

23:01

Yeah, I think whenever you have a gas that

23:03

reminds the press corps of a previous gas, you

23:05

have a good shot at leapfrogging a couple of

23:08

stages of analysis to like, oh, this is damaging.

23:10

You manifest the thing into being a problem. The

23:12

comparison to Mitt, who said 47% of

23:14

the country is with Obama no matter what, I

23:17

actually think Romney's comments were worse

23:20

for a couple of reasons. He was scathing about

23:22

the voters themselves. He said they think

23:25

they're victims. They believe they're entitled to food. That

23:27

was the part that they got him. Titled

23:30

to food? Yeah, entitled to food and housing. People should be able

23:32

to eat. Then he said, my job is not to worry about

23:34

those people. I'll

23:39

never convince them they should take personal

23:41

responsibility, which solidified this narrative that we

23:43

were pushing that he was a plutocrat

23:45

in it for his donors. Romney, though,

23:47

has a conscience. He

23:49

felt bad about those comments and he reacted in a

23:51

way that demonstrated he felt bad. We later learned from

23:53

his book that he thought of dropping out of the

23:55

race. Trump does not

23:58

have a ... Turns out Romney was a plutocrat with a heart

24:00

of Right, Trump does not have a

24:02

conscience. I think he says worse things than whatever

24:04

he says at the donor conference at rallies all the

24:06

time because he's a narcissist, so he'll be fine. Also,

24:08

if only federal employees plus

24:11

union members, plus people getting government assistance added up

24:13

to 40% of the vote And if only all

24:15

those people are voting Democrat. They are not. This

24:17

is Richard Haley, Chicago What are you talking about?

24:20

But also in fact like much of Trump's base

24:23

People who are getting federal assistance probably a lot of

24:25

Trump's base at this point Civil service

24:27

very tiny percent of the population. Yeah,

24:30

members wish more people were a part of

24:32

Union not the case right now So it's

24:34

like it's just such a it's

24:36

such an old school Very you of

24:38

the electorate and it is to love

24:41

its original point So damning to say all

24:43

this in a room full of fucking billionaires

24:45

who then he was like by the way

24:48

If anyone if anyone cuts a 1 million dollar check to

24:50

me right now, you can come up and have it turn

24:52

at the mic Oh, we get to speak to the first

24:55

of all a shitty talk to the donor of a shitty

24:57

conflict Oh, you get to talk to the donors Wow a

24:59

million dollars to do a toast and apparently no one took

25:01

him up on it For a little while and then finally

25:03

he was like the New York Times that he seemed annoyed

25:05

He seemed upset and then finally someone said okay Is

25:08

Jack Smith ugly? Where's the where's this come? No? No,

25:10

Jack? What do you think is handsome? You know your

25:13

fan. Yeah, I've been I thought I

25:15

wouldn't I wouldn't have I wouldn't have brought it

25:17

up unprompted I'm not I don't

25:19

have a poster of in my locker I'm not trying to

25:21

go all morning. I'm on you guys either either either either

25:23

either I do have a bobblehead on my desk. Yeah, someone's

25:25

on to us What one of you one of you wonderful

25:27

listeners sent us a Jack Smith bobblehead. I needed a guy

25:29

check on it I

25:32

do think like the whole million dollar check

25:34

thing. It just sort of speaks to Trump's

25:36

entire approach to politics, which is Authoritarian

25:39

in that like if you kiss his ass you

25:41

make him richer, you know, he'll do something shitty

25:43

for you Like you can get to speak to

25:45

a picture donor And if not, yeah, it's all

25:47

transactional and if not, he'll come after you. That's

25:49

it. That's his whole as a soul stick So

25:52

Trump's campaign team also gave a

25:54

presentation at the event that reportedly

25:56

included three different electoral college maps

26:00

The first one they called the media's version, which

26:02

is the seven swing states we're all familiar with.

26:05

The second they called, quote, actual current

26:07

reality, which is just Pennsylvania,

26:09

Michigan, and Wisconsin as the three states

26:11

in play. And then the

26:13

third they called, quote, expanded reality, which

26:15

said that in addition to those three,

26:17

Minnesota and Virginia are also in play.

26:20

I realize the Trump campaign isn't well equipped to

26:22

give lessons on reality, but what do you guys

26:25

think of their maps and their view on the

26:27

race? So here's what I thought. I think

26:29

if we're talking about Minnesota and Virginia, okay,

26:31

I guess we can eventually, if

26:34

we're talking about that, we got a lot of

26:36

problems. So I want to focus on their whatever,

26:38

their middle scenario, because what

26:40

I saw it and I realized

26:42

like, oh, okay, so let's

26:44

say they, let's just give them this. Obviously

26:47

it's been, obviously it's bluster, but let's just

26:49

give them this. So you're giving them Georgia,

26:51

giving them Arizona, you're giving them Nevada, you're

26:54

giving them North Carolina, obviously. This

26:57

is why they're focused on that

26:59

Nebraska seat. Because if

27:01

you punch those numbers in, if

27:03

Biden wins Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin,

27:06

Trump wins those other states and Biden

27:10

wins one electoral vote in

27:12

Nebraska, that's 270, If

27:14

they, they stop that and it goes all red, it's

27:16

269, 269, and it goes to the house. So

27:20

it is, I think, I found it just, I saw it and

27:22

I was like, oh, that's chilling.

27:24

One of their most likely scenarios

27:26

is the tie scenario. We

27:29

haven't talked about it in a little while. It does seem like it

27:32

is unlikely to happen in Nebraska because they

27:34

just don't have the votes. And

27:37

the governor basically said as much too. He's like, if we had the

27:39

votes, we'd do it, but we don't. And

27:41

then I saw that I think one of the Democratic

27:43

leaders, either in the House or the Senate in Maine,

27:46

did say that if Nebraska went forward with it, then

27:48

Maine would go forward with taking it there. Which

27:50

would undo it. Yeah, which would undo it, basically. And the other piece

27:52

of it. Sorry, because Maine has... Maine has a split electoral vote

27:55

as well. It's the only other state that does. But that does

27:57

explain why they were going for it, right? They're looking at this

27:59

map and seeing... that like it's not like a 270 268

28:02

is like a very reasonable outcome.

28:05

Expanded reality is kind of a great term. I know. I

28:08

got like an alternative facts kind of feel. It's a good theme for

28:10

the, it's a good theme for the Trump campaign. Actually very Bush-esque. Yeah. Remember

28:13

when they were talking, they were the reality

28:15

distortion fields. Remember that whole thing? Unitary executive,

28:17

expanded reality, it's all one fucking thing.

28:19

I think just on the general point though, like

28:22

I would just approach this with kind of an

28:24

Occam's razor common sense view that this is a

28:26

rematch of an election from four years ago and

28:28

the map's kind of probably going to look like

28:30

the map four years ago. And that doesn't mean

28:32

Biden's going to win every state he won in

28:34

2020, but they'll be contested. And

28:37

if Trump's team thinks that Minnesota and Virginia

28:39

are in play, I would expect them to

28:41

one, spend money there and to go there

28:44

when you're not in court. But you know, yeah,

28:46

to love its point, Biden won Minnesota by seven points

28:48

and Virginia by 10. So

28:50

if those states go to Trump, it's a

28:53

landslide anyway. Yeah, I was looking into it.

28:55

I think it's an odd two states to choose. Like

28:57

you said, he won by seven. I think

28:59

the reason they thought about it is because

29:02

Hillary only won Minnesota by 1.5. I

29:04

forgot that it was that close, 2016. But

29:07

the reason that Biden did so much better

29:09

than Hillary is because mostly he

29:11

got the extra margin out of the Twin

29:14

Cities metro area, which are all those suburbs

29:16

around the Twin Cities, which are very college

29:18

educated. And if anything, Biden has only

29:20

been doing better with college educated votes. So

29:22

like, could he do worse in like the

29:25

Iron Range and some of the rural places

29:27

in Minnesota? Yes. But like most

29:29

of the population is Hennepin County, like right around

29:31

Minneapolis. So like, I don't I don't I

29:33

think that's wishful thinking on the Trump. And

29:35

I think in Virginia, they're probably just thinking like, oh, you

29:38

know, what's his face? Youngkin won,

29:40

beat Terry McAuliffe. But I really think that was more about

29:42

I think we know now that that was more about Terry

29:44

McAuliffe than it was about like Donald Trump or Joe Biden

29:46

or national politics. This is the part of the campaign where

29:49

the Democrats do a little wish casting. We talk

29:51

about Flip in Arkansas or whatever and Republicans do

29:53

the same on their side. And then, you know,

29:55

we end up battling each other in Pennsylvania for

29:58

four grueling months or whatever by the end. Yeah, I'm

30:00

like right now the polls you know, or

30:02

in Minnesota. there was one survey usa pull

30:04

the had by normally up to in Minnesota

30:07

but the rest of had him comfortably ahead

30:09

in Virginia. Recent polls have had a closer

30:11

than a ten point he won by, but

30:13

they're still mid single digits. He's got a

30:15

mid signal digit lead in the current reality

30:17

map, a group of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, or

30:19

the most important seats. I. Think that

30:21

Arizona should be in that category. and men

30:24

I think Nevada next and then it still

30:26

feel like North Carolina and Georgia will be

30:28

tougher this year but still doable. And our

30:30

friends at Five Thirty Eight now finally have

30:32

the averages. The polling averages for states to

30:35

Serrano's they have North Carolina at six point,

30:37

six as a dancer by six point six

30:39

Georgia his up by six Nevada he's a

30:41

by five and then Arizona's three, Wisconsin's three

30:44

Pennsylvania's to in Michigan is actually the closest.

30:46

Now at Trump's only up by point to

30:48

have their self tight race tigris. The only

30:50

good thing. My North Carolina is the Republic.

30:52

It's decided to nominate Mark Robinson as their

30:55

gubernatorial candidate and he is a bona fide

30:57

just nut bag and see you know you

30:59

see com Most recent have when I read

31:01

about Mark Robinson was he com beyond say

31:03

a skank So that's the kind of press

31:05

I getting and maybe awesome reverse coattails. while

31:08

the poll so far selling just time really

31:10

outpacing Biden even in that state and I

31:12

know eating argument and brick oven and beating

31:14

migrants and true I have to be them

31:16

and is frightening that this been some national

31:19

the way. It's still a basically tied race.

31:21

But one thing to keep an

31:23

eye on few high quality pulls

31:25

back him up recently where they

31:27

gave the result in terms of

31:29

are pulling all adults, registered voters

31:31

and likely voters and. Binds.

31:33

doing better with registered than all adults and

31:35

he's doing better with likely than either of

31:38

them and that has now been a pattern

31:40

where every time they have likely voter screen

31:42

by means of doing a little bit better

31:44

so people who were saying that they're more

31:46

likely to vote in elections are more likely

31:48

to be by voters which is not a

31:50

pattern we've seen didn't we didn't see and

31:53

twenty twenty but one theory of this is

31:55

you know the special elections and the mid

31:57

terms were democrats have been outperform and we

31:59

keep saying, you know, I've been saying that

32:01

like, well, in a presidential election, it's a

32:03

completely different electorate. And so you're going to

32:05

get all these other voters who are much

32:08

more Trump, you know, tend

32:10

to be more unfavorable towards Trump.

32:13

But, you know, if it

32:16

could be a situation where if there's

32:18

a lower, oddly enough, if there's a

32:20

lower turnout election, lower than 2020, and

32:23

it starts to look a little bit more like a midterm

32:25

electorate, then it could benefit Biden, which would be wild, but

32:28

something to keep an eye on. All right, Trump also did

32:30

an episode of Apprentice VP Edition during

32:32

the donor retreat, where he auditioned several

32:34

potential running mates who were in attendance.

32:37

And according to the leaked audio, made comments

32:39

about each one. He even

32:41

called puppy murderer Kristi Noem, quote, somebody that

32:43

I love, even though she keeps

32:46

digging that gravel pit deeper with one of

32:48

the most bewildering and damaging press tours I

32:50

have ever seen. Here's a clip from her

32:53

star turn on this week's Face the Nation.

32:55

You talk about meeting some world leaders

32:58

and one specific one, quote, I

33:00

remember when I met with North

33:02

Korean dictator Kim Jong Un. I'm

33:05

sure he underestimated me having no

33:07

clue about my experience staring down

33:09

little tyrants. I've been a children's

33:11

pastor after all. Did you meet

33:13

Kim Jong Un? Well, you

33:15

know, as soon as this was brought to my attention, I

33:18

certainly made some changes and

33:20

looked at this this passage,

33:22

and I've met with many, many world

33:24

leaders. I've traveled around the world. As

33:27

soon as it was brought to my attention, we

33:29

went forward and have made some edits. So

33:32

you did not meet with Kim Jong Un? That's what you're

33:34

saying? No, I've met with

33:37

many, many world leaders, many world leaders, I've

33:39

traveled around the world. I think I've talked

33:41

extensively in this book about my time serving

33:43

in Congress, my time as governor before governor,

33:45

some of the travels that I've had. I'm

33:48

not going to talk about my specific meetings

33:50

with world leaders. At the end

33:52

of the book, you say the very first thing

33:54

you would do if you got to the White

33:56

House that was different from Joe Biden is you'd

33:58

make sure Joe Biden's dog was no worse. where

34:00

on the grounds commanders say hello to cricket. Are

34:04

you doing this to try to look tough? Do

34:06

you still think that you have a shot at

34:08

being a VP? Well,

34:11

number one, Joe Biden's dog has attacked 24

34:14

Secret Service people. So how many people

34:16

is enough people to be attacked and dangerously hurt

34:18

before you make a decision on a dog and

34:20

what to do with it? Well, he's not living

34:22

at the White House anymore. That's the question that

34:24

the president should be held accountable to. You're saying

34:26

he should be shot? That's what the president should

34:28

be accountable to. What is the number? She's

34:32

an entire dog murder platform. I didn't

34:34

realize that part about, I didn't realize

34:36

that, I hadn't heard that part about

34:38

Commander Meat Creek in hell. It's

34:41

not just one proposal, it's the whole thing. I didn't realize that

34:43

she had a whole, I'm

34:45

not retreating, I'm reloading, to kill more

34:47

fucking dogs. That

34:50

is insane. That is insane, I love

34:52

this. I love this. She apparently just

34:54

went on Fox and said

34:57

that the reason that she told this story

35:00

in her book about killing the puppy was

35:02

to prove that she's quote, not like other

35:04

politicians. Yeah, okay. Mission accomplished. You

35:06

did it. Kristy Dahmer over here. Is

35:08

she intentionally trying to ruin her career? What

35:10

do you think? I like how she acts

35:12

offended on behalf of the confidentiality of her

35:14

imaginary meetings. I guess I

35:17

am not going to elaborate on my meetings that

35:20

didn't have it. I've never seen anything like this.

35:23

I can't believe, why is she, she continues to do

35:25

the interviews. She only has so many,

35:27

she's in the early, this is

35:29

training in front of Trump. They're going

35:32

out in front of Trump and demonstrating that they can handle

35:34

the press. She had to do it just to get out

35:36

there, but man. The other thing too is,

35:39

it's okay to just say, yeah, we

35:41

messed it. It's a

35:43

fuck up, it's a fuck up. It combined two stories. I

35:45

didn't notice in the edit. Obviously I didn't meet with Kim

35:47

Jong Un. What

35:50

I love about that, you chose to write the book. I

35:52

know they're trying to blame the ghost writer now, but she also,

35:55

she read the audio book herself. By

35:57

the way, by the way. That's

36:00

so by the way are we being is this

36:02

I know I know I know We

36:05

all read and we can't wait we can try

36:07

to blame I'm

36:10

blaming Josh right now, but like I will say in

36:12

my chapters that I read oh, I didn't notice anything

36:14

I can't speak for you to I Don't

36:17

I don't know about you guys when I read our

36:19

chapters. I didn't disassociate like I lived I heard what

36:21

I said and so if I and I caught a

36:23

couple more typos that we think If

36:26

I read about my meeting with Kim Jong-un I

36:28

might think to myself, huh Was I

36:30

one of like a half dozen living

36:32

US officials to ever meet with this guy?

36:34

Was I the only member of Congress to

36:36

ever meet with Kim Jong-un? Did I accidentally

36:39

get on a plane with Dennis Rodman and

36:41

not realize until I landed in Pyongyang? No,

36:43

okay Well, let's fix it But to your

36:45

point the lesson the Trump era is like

36:47

you can't back down You can't let the

36:49

liberal media see you sweat and she also

36:51

so she can't cancel her interviews She can't

36:53

apologize so she just has to do this

36:57

Her book is called no going back Yeah,

37:00

it really I don't it is also I think wrong

37:02

right like I didn't get so like an overlearn lesson

37:04

Like I think it would have been it's so defensive

37:06

and kind of politician II totally like well I've met

37:09

with many world leaders, and we're gonna go take a

37:11

look at that Pat just say like oh, yeah I

37:13

was a it's an it's obviously mistake. I didn't we

37:15

came John in well. She's like I was interrupted 36

37:17

times Although even like admitting

37:19

that the problem is exactly what Tommy just said

37:22

with the audiobook right like You

37:24

can't be like obvious lighting me then why did you say

37:26

it right because I think then it starts to introduce like

37:28

did she Confuse Asian leaders like is like what what

37:30

is that? What is the mistake do because she

37:33

says it combines because she says it was like

37:35

some there's some there's some comment somewhere about like

37:37

Oh, was it combined with another part of a

37:39

passage, and they didn't notice it I put like

37:41

combined North and South Korea I both

37:43

we've been working on that project. I know I

37:45

know easy to do easy to do In a

37:47

fake book also, even when you just like forget

37:50

the forget the obvious like like ridiculousness of claiming

37:52

to have met the Korean

37:54

dictator, but That

37:56

that tone of these political books? These like

37:58

fake bio books like. Like.

38:00

Oh you think I? you know you think

38:02

I can handle meeting with a foreign leader

38:05

like Poodle. While you haven't seen zero six

38:07

year olds when they've had too much Kuwait

38:09

now I know I know Like you know

38:11

we started off as wouldn't be started off

38:13

as people who couldn't see eye to eye

38:16

but over a local craft beers two hours

38:18

of good difficult conversations we can to see

38:20

each other's point of view like that kind

38:22

of shit without for than our choices as

38:24

long as I was not. things. You

38:29

did she brought up up with she. Tweeted that Margaret

38:31

Brennan on Cbs face the interrupted her

38:33

thirty six times or something like that.

38:35

It's a turn just as whining credence

38:37

not was just mad libs you know

38:39

like blame liberal media immigrants liquid but

38:41

did you meet with like I'm now

38:43

I'm confused. Politico reported that juicy rid

38:45

of first book this was or second

38:47

book in the first book her team

38:49

got her to take the story of

38:51

till the puppy out sort of back

38:53

ceasefire those people yeah it's is demanded

38:55

to go and secondly up And then

38:57

she said to the reason that you

38:59

put in. The second book is because opponents

39:02

in pass races have used against her so

39:04

she thought she would get this at a

39:06

store lights out. His opponents know she murdered

39:08

or die every. call them. Small place. most

39:10

places to go to Philly for going or

39:12

ethnicity. Now they're at the funeral one first

39:15

detail, one for themselves, your puppy intervals and

39:17

it's nhl to friend and enjoy the islands.

39:19

and then the horses. Kilner. Would.

39:21

You guys think Avast. Of a

39:23

Trump's reviews of his other potential running mates are

39:25

based on the audio recording that we read about.

39:27

Let's do an impromptu quest and then I don't

39:30

look at you know, I'm going to

39:32

read you what trump said about them he say who was aka. His.

39:35

Name is coming up a lot for vice president's

39:37

ruby every via know that has revealed as a

39:39

candidate. He did a good job but as a

39:42

surrogate was unavailable. Got. He. Was in

39:44

a supporter of mine. At the very beginning he was saying

39:46

things like that you get out of this guy's a Total

39:48

Value or the preface This. By

39:51

you guys are you know them off of my

39:53

hypothesis that months ago? But you're You're picking up

39:55

on what I picked up on, which was that

39:57

there wasn't a single interesting or insightful observation. The

39:59

and out of the entire dozen or so ah

40:02

that were listed here, I love your haircut. Need

40:04

a good man to make? Leave it out and

40:06

get our the best one by one out of

40:08

as one is. About he said is

40:10

about Byron Donald's. Ah, Black member

40:12

of Congress. Somebody. Has created

40:15

something very special. Politically I like

40:17

diversity. Diversity. As he would say,

40:19

I like diversity. Worth millions of

40:22

dollars. All want a piece of

40:24

Byron Diversity. Diversity Read out loud.

40:26

Beep inevitable out of there is

40:29

evidence. Doesn't drink. Still,

40:31

Bergen I didn't know this. He was a

40:33

supporter of my to campaigns. He's a very

40:35

rich man. I guess it's just like

40:37

use it does. Observations: Trivia at least a phonics. A

40:40

very smart person. She was in upstate New York when

40:42

I met her. Little did we realize you'd be such

40:44

a big sex or. Hours

40:47

ago that are you know, monogamous very much

40:49

like Nods She has no chance. Maidan to

40:51

just kind of kind of thrown her some

40:53

last minute had his i love Her adult

40:55

the boomer he's got still be will be

40:57

making fun of a the puppy soon thing

40:59

but he's not be able to resist that.

41:01

Know that is on point. You're going on

41:03

us and follow Magic Johnson on Twitter by

41:06

any chance. A Don't fifty cities had

41:08

Ah ok it's like so bad it's good

41:10

he has. He is utterly just tweets are

41:12

the N B A ways that are like

41:14

Celtics shot more tonight got more points therefore

41:16

one it is like I was with am

41:18

reminded me from Trump any way of rather

41:20

that's I bought on alive and raise at

41:22

it as audience either. Gonna say the Magic

41:24

Johnson tweeted about the yard that the puppy

41:26

killer for hopefully well with any lox would

41:28

at what this remind me of when I

41:30

had a Us A winless against us it

41:32

would You guys Were in Dc the other

41:34

week she talked about the Dp selection process.

41:36

She ran for carry and Obama and

41:39

how focus they were on confidentiality and

41:41

making sure that these people who you

41:43

ask selects tell you all their darkest

41:46

secrets and dollars betting information aren't humiliated

41:48

by weeks and things. And then you

41:50

have Trump. Which. Is t doing

41:52

the exact opposite? But I wondered. Could.

41:55

This be kind of a machiavellian way to get

41:57

as much dirt as you can from all your

41:59

Britain. financial rivals, so it's sitting there in

42:02

a little folder in the future

42:04

if they ever criticize you. Think about

42:06

it. Yeah. I mean,

42:08

I think Trump doesn't need any material to

42:10

ruin someone's political career. He makes it up.

42:12

Yeah, she called David Becker. She put in

42:14

one of the most damning things I've ever

42:16

seen a politician get accused of in her

42:18

own book. She made it easy, yeah. That's

42:20

true. Did it to herself. That's fair. Anyway.

42:23

No, but I do... It is interesting

42:25

that Trump has sort of steamrolled all these places

42:27

where we used to have seriousness, and I think

42:29

that's obviously been very damning, but I

42:31

remember when Kerry was choosing

42:33

between Edwards and Gephardt. I mean, the New

42:36

York Post ran a cover that said Gephardt

42:38

is picked and they got it wrong, and

42:40

it was secret, and it was important, and

42:42

everyone took it really, really seriously, and

42:45

I don't know. They were like, but

42:47

Gephardt killed that puppy. Right, and then he killed all

42:49

those pets. He just nonstop. It's a

42:51

reliable lesson that didn't happen. Yeah, it didn't

42:54

happen. And then Trump does this with

42:56

these people. I love it. What is brilliant

42:58

about it, though, is he knows that

43:00

he can distract the press with this until

43:03

the day he picks. He can just do this

43:05

little game and dance these people in front of

43:07

the press corps and his donors and

43:09

make them dance for him, and he loves it. Yeah,

43:11

we'll keep talking about it. The blast. If

43:13

there's new stuff out there. And by the way, it's free to put

43:16

somebody on the list and make them feel good.

43:18

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only thing that came up with something really

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launched the largest electoral

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47:47

says here in the year, ever. Ever.

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It is big. Right? Called

47:52

Organizer Else? Yes, it's Organizer

47:54

Else. So, most people probably remember Adopt a

47:56

State from 2020, where we... recruited

48:00

300,000 people to volunteer and raised $46 million that year. A

48:04

lot of money. But this year, we're doing

48:06

Organizer Else, and it's a little bit different because

48:08

we should have focused on the house a

48:11

little bit more in 2020, and so we learned our lesson,

48:13

and so... It's our fault. Don't

48:15

blame yourself. Yeah. You know,

48:17

we did consult you all on what we'd be

48:19

focused on, but it's fine. You know what? And

48:21

love it with like, don't pay much attention to

48:23

New York. I think New York's locked. New York,

48:26

California's locked. Don't worry. Look,

48:28

if I said one thing, I said a thousand times, the New

48:30

York State Democratic Party, they've got this.

48:32

They're perfect. Well, we learned our lesson,

48:34

but this time, we're not leaving anything. We're

48:37

going everywhere. So, Senate, caring about the

48:39

White House, the House, but we're also

48:41

going down ballot to state legislatures, gubernatorial

48:43

elections, anything that matters, but in order

48:45

to do that, we had to kind

48:48

of change the way that we're

48:50

doing the program, and so people

48:53

can go to votesafeamerica.com/2024, and

48:55

they basically tell us where they live and whether

48:58

or not they want to do virtual

49:00

or in-person volunteer events, and then each week

49:02

we'll send them a high-impact volunteer event, but

49:04

when they tell us what state they're in,

49:06

they will be assigned to a team, Team

49:08

East or West, and we just split the

49:10

country along the Mississippi River,

49:12

which I learned is how they do the NBA.

49:16

Yeah, and so that's how it's all split up. Yes, we did. That's

49:18

how they do radio stations. They do have to do radio

49:21

stations. Yeah, East and West, it's K on one side and

49:23

W on the other. Mississippi. Oh, why

49:25

K? I didn't know that. Yeah. Shnekwa,

49:28

East Coast, West Coast rivalries have famously

49:30

ended in tragedy. What's your plan to

49:32

prevent that? You

49:35

know, this could end in tragedy if Donald

49:37

Trump is elected. Yeah, he's on message.

49:39

That's right. And we are team captains.

49:42

Yes, I was going to ask, you

49:45

all live here, but what team are you on? The

49:48

Johns, we're taking the losers. Team

49:51

West. Okay. Okay,

49:53

softies. I'm on Team East, too. Thank you. And

49:56

Dan. And Dan. Tommy and Dan.

49:58

Tommy and Shnekwa are team. And I'm Alyssa is

50:01

on team Last night of East Sars sit

50:03

on our taxi literary very scary when he

50:05

lives in New York. I was written about

50:07

a draft yeah oh that's a good evidence

50:09

under fire for fitness mixed with you that

50:11

I'm actually most important one of our lives

50:13

and their brother died in the studio and

50:15

the camp wouldn't have another. We can dress

50:18

them other people. We think about some outsiders

50:20

that one of the route or that I

50:22

had a good idea is Aaron as on

50:24

T must tell ya Nice nice of the

50:26

great wow that yeah. So

50:28

we're point and twenty four different states. Seventy One

50:30

Target Races yeah I know it's a lot about

50:32

that has a lot to do and as I

50:35

we need everyone to sign up like if we

50:37

could get anywhere in. Near. Or more

50:39

would even be better than three hundred thousand

50:41

people that signed up. And twenty twenty we

50:43

can make sure everyone has helped they need.

50:45

and we've been talking the grassroots organizations across

50:47

the country and in the volunteers like they

50:49

really really need volunteers. Are you need volunteers

50:51

here in California? Arizona and Nevada.

50:53

Any volunteers. Everywhere. Knees volunteers

50:55

up and down the ballot so we

50:58

really need people to sign up. I

51:00

will also say like it. Volunteers have

51:02

always been important to campaigns night and

51:04

in a good field. Operation with lot

51:06

of volunteers or was makes a difference.

51:08

Very close races and we are headed

51:10

for another very close race. The country's

51:12

very evenly divided, which means that even

51:14

the that makes everyone nervous. That also

51:16

means that whatever you do has a

51:18

bigger impact. The other reason volunteering is

51:20

so important now, probably more so the

51:22

cycle than it's ever been is the

51:24

media infrastructure. Yeah, they campaigns are used

51:27

to that organizing he's do is has

51:29

disappeared. It is very, very difficult for

51:31

campaigns to communicate directly with voters whether

51:34

it's paid ads, whether it's media because

51:36

no one paying attention anymore. And so

51:38

what ends up being most effective is

51:41

peer to peer, person to person organizing

51:43

either with people you know, people in

51:45

your community, more perfect strangers? Yes. And

51:47

then having these conversations with people that

51:50

is gonna end up making the difference

51:52

in this election. So Spontaneous does not

51:54

like. as an ad on saying for

51:56

now has given as a definitional yeah

51:59

desired pets or You listen and

52:01

we love it. We're so glad that you do. But

52:04

you did not do all this paying attention over

52:06

the last several years to not do this one

52:08

step, which is sign up to be part of

52:10

Boat Save America. This is what it was all

52:12

for. This is what all the paying attention

52:14

gets us. It gets us to this moment. This is why

52:16

we podcast. This is why we do it. This is why

52:18

we pop. This is why. This is why. This is why.

52:21

We download, we do 1.5X, we skip ahead.

52:24

That's right. Can't skip ahead to November. Yeah,

52:26

we could. That's good. You gotta do the work

52:28

in the in between. You gotta do the work.

52:30

I like that. Speaking of doing the work, I'm

52:32

really smart to pick 71 races because

52:34

that just sounds like you put so much thought into it. We did. No,

52:37

we really, really did. Yeah. I

52:40

hate to use the word anal about this stuff, but what

52:42

is a better word than that? I don't know. You really

52:44

put attention to it. Honestly, if you just said it, it would fucking

52:46

fine. I would just say it again. You just go through. I know.

52:50

Okay. I hate to be so... No, we're using this already.

52:52

You're not getting an edit. Was the

52:54

72nd candidate Henry Quayar? I

52:57

don't care for that man. No. Neither

53:00

did the FBI. I'm right. We're learning that

53:02

today. I hope he has fun

53:05

with whatever happens. Yeah, we all do.

53:07

I'm sorry. I wanna keep the house, all that.

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53:54

You just manifested it? You

53:57

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54:02

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54:04

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54:06

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54:15

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54:18

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54:21

P is always silent Wow

54:26

that was taken to a turn like

54:28

nope nope nope Lydia cut that I

54:30

don't know the piper the P and

54:32

piper well

54:35

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55:07

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