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don't want what's going on. Right now Fauci sitting
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up there at the top of the charts. Oh
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my god. That guy's yeah he's got it coming.
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Yeah. Did you like did you like the pandemic?
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Yeah. No masking the
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picture. No masking the picture. What
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kind of message, Fauci? Did you see him throw
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that ball out at the Nationals game, at the
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baseball game when he threw that first pitch? How'd
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he do? Terrible. Oh, man. So don't, yeah. This
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was like years ago. I'm just trying to go
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down the road of attacking him. Anyway,
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I thought you were gonna bring out
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the Wuhan thing. Right,
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he did. Anyway, our book, we don't talk about,
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none of that is part of our book. Our
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it's how to get involved in politics in a way
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over the last seven years of
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well as a lot of the advice we got
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from some really smart people and organizers and activists.
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But it's not homework. I did an interview about
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the book where someone said he appreciated that it
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was short and also appreciated that the font was
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large. That is
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such a high school paper. Yeah, I would say
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this. The
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length reads like people that
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had a deadline. And
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that's a beautiful thing. I thought you were saying reads like people. No, no, no.
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It's for people who just read tweets all day, you
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now. Okay, still get a pit
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in my stomach every time I say this, but the
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first debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is Thursday.
5:21
As of now, it's actually happening. Joe
5:23
Biden's prepping with his advisors at Camp David.
5:26
Donald Trump is prepping in public with his fans.
5:28
On Saturday, Trump spoke at a rally in Philly
5:30
where he attacked the debate moderators and pulled the
5:33
audience on whether or not he should be civil
5:35
to Biden at the debate. I'll let
5:37
you guess what they preferred. He also
5:39
trotted out the Biden will be on drugs attack
5:41
again. Only this time he added that
5:43
Biden will be getting a quote, shot in the ass.
5:46
And in case that image isn't enough for
5:48
you, Trump also talked about taking off his
5:50
own shirt at the Faith and Freedom Coalition's
5:53
annual conference in DC, where he cast himself
5:55
as a martyr for
5:57
all of the quote wounds he's received and also
5:59
said a bunch of other. crazy shit, let's listen. If
6:01
I took this shirt off, you'd see a
6:03
beautiful, beautiful person,
6:06
but you'd see wounds all over,
6:09
all over me. I've taken a lot of wounds, I
6:11
can tell you. More than
6:13
I suspect any president ever. Who
6:16
likes to 10 commandments, by the way, going up in
6:18
the schools? They
6:22
think it's such a bad thing. I said, has anyone
6:24
read the, thou shalt not
6:27
steal, thou shalt, I mean,
6:29
has anybody read this incredible
6:31
stuff? It's just incredible, they don't want it
6:33
to go up. So you gotta get out
6:36
of vote, just this time. I don't care,
6:38
in four years you don't have to vote,
6:40
okay? In
6:42
four years, don't vote, I don't care,
6:45
but we'll have it all straightened out, so it'll
6:47
be much different. You guys realize there's a
6:50
non-zero chance he just read the
6:52
10 commandments before that
6:54
event. Well, I think that he- This
6:57
is some great stuff, have you seen this? I also think
6:59
that he could only- A lot of vows, a lot of
7:01
vows, what's going on there? I actually think he didn't read
7:03
any of them. I think he could realize that the only
7:05
other one he could remember is thou shalt not commit adultery.
7:08
And so he's like, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt
7:10
not, ooh. Yeah,
7:12
he's really gone, he's really gone over on
7:15
those. He's of course talking
7:17
about the 10 commandments because the governor
7:19
of Louisiana just signed a law requiring every
7:21
public school to display them in the classroom,
7:23
which is something the Supreme Court said was
7:25
unconstitutional. And Kentucky tried it back in 1980,
7:28
but of course, new Supreme Court, new
7:31
state trying it, so who knows? Why do you
7:33
guys think Trump's still pandering to Christian
7:35
nationalists now that we're in the general election?
7:37
Seems like he's already got their votes, really
7:39
leaning into the
7:41
Jesus comparison there, the
7:43
martyr and the wounds, he's going really
7:46
embracing that. I do think it's worth pointing
7:48
out that five presidents were shot while
7:51
in office. That's a good point. So they probably
7:53
had it worse and more wounds. The horse fell
7:55
on top of Ulysses S. Grant. I'm reading his
7:57
personal memoirs. I'm reading. I'm
8:00
reading his memoir. You guys, he's been talking about
8:02
it nonstop. I feel like I know
8:04
the whole book. Hey, listen, Ulysses S.
8:06
Grant, great writer, huge fan. Also, 10 Commandments is a
8:08
lot like our book where it could have been nine
8:11
chapters, you know what I mean? Yeah, like, I mean,
8:13
by the way, two of them are about coveting and
8:16
then acting on the coveting. Right, right.
8:18
Don't commit adultery, but also don't lust
8:20
after your neighbor's wife. Everyone's broken that
8:22
one. I hear. Who
8:25
lives down the block? What
8:27
are we talking about? Anyway,
8:33
what do you guys think about the pandemic? What does he
8:35
do at the Faith and Freedom Conference in DC? Do you
8:37
think they booked that in advance? They thought maybe the primary
8:39
would still be happening? No, well, he says at the top
8:41
of it that they tried to cancel it, but I told
8:44
him I'm too afraid to not go to the Faith and
8:46
Freedom Conference, so they moved it to during the day
8:48
so he could do the rally at night. Is he afraid he might
8:50
go to hell? Yeah, or yeah,
8:52
I think so. I think so. But
8:54
I just view it as he's gone
8:57
every year because I think that we
9:00
forget because it feels like another era, but at the
9:02
beginning, these were the people that went with Ted Cruz.
9:04
These are the people that he had to kind of
9:06
shore up. And so I think he views it as
9:08
like, keeping these people happy is
9:11
just a useful thing to do. At
9:13
the end of the day, I think every campaign he's run
9:15
is just a base turnout election. And I think that there
9:17
was a 2021 Pew poll about kind of
9:19
like religion and public life. And in
9:22
that poll, 54% said the federal government should
9:24
enforce the separation of church and state. And
9:27
you would imagine that putting the 10 commandments
9:29
in public schools under cut set. But 30%
9:31
want public school teachers to
9:34
be allowed to lead students in Christian prayers, 46 do not. So
9:36
I think the general population generally opposes
9:39
what he's offering there, the policies putting
9:41
forward. But I think he knows that
9:43
his base is animated by right-wing
9:46
Christian nationalism. And they're more likely to hear
9:48
what he's saying here than kind of your
9:50
average voter who might be offended by this.
9:53
Yeah, no, I think that's right. I think
9:55
that the vulnerability for
9:57
Trump and the general election is...
10:00
this Christian nationalist project 2025
10:02
stuff. I
10:04
think people are, even some
10:06
people who've probably voted for him in the past
10:08
are a little creeped out by some of the
10:10
Mike Johnson wing of the party, the
10:12
Mike Johnson wing of the party. And I
10:15
do think the country is more
10:17
religious than some liberals might believe,
10:19
but I don't think people want
10:21
the 10 commandments in your kid's
10:23
school. I don't wanna, like, even if
10:25
you, even if, you know, like I grew up
10:27
Catholic, I wouldn't want the five, I don't want
10:29
the 10 commandments posted in the school, separation of
10:32
churches. It's pretty foundational to the country. Well, there's
10:34
a funny moment in this, in at the faith
10:36
and freedom summit where he says, you may got,
10:38
you, like he's getting tons of applause. They're loving
10:40
every second of it. And then he goes, now
10:42
this crowd may not care as much about this,
10:44
but they're also going after Catholics and it was
10:46
a little bit of a, it's
10:48
like, hey man, long history there. Yeah. Long
10:51
history keeps, you're waiting into some, some troubled waters.
10:53
He's not up to speed on the Huguenots. Yeah.
10:57
The Huguenots. I was
10:59
just in North Carolina for a couple of days and I
11:01
was with a few different local candidates
11:03
and abortion is a huge
11:05
issue. The extremism of the Republicans on democracy is a
11:07
huge issue. But the other really big issue that a
11:09
lot of these candidates were talking about was
11:12
the Republican legislature taking money from public schools and
11:14
giving them to private and religious schools. And it's
11:16
just a really big issue down there. And I
11:18
feel like this is all part
11:21
of that sort of right word, Christian nationalist
11:23
thing. I think a lot of people don't
11:25
like. This was at the end of what,
11:27
a 90 minute or nearly 90 minute speech.
11:29
So just at the very end of the
11:31
speech, he gets into education and he's hitting
11:33
all the, he's hitting the 10 commandments. He's
11:35
talking about money for homeschooling, to
11:38
help pay for supplies for homeschooling. But
11:41
then in a run, he basically says this. And
11:43
I will not give one penny to
11:45
any school that has a vaccine mandate
11:47
or a mask mandate. And
11:50
I will shut down the federal department of
11:52
education and we will move everything back to
11:54
the States. And you know what
11:56
we'll do? We'll give them about half the money that we
11:58
send them now. And for half
12:01
the money, they'll have a lot of money
12:03
left over. We'll cut our budget in half
12:06
and we'll spend less than half the money
12:08
on education. We're going to save a
12:10
fortune. Look, I know we're a nerd to Trump. That
12:13
has to be one of the most
12:15
unpopular things a mainstream candidate has said
12:17
in a very long time. We're going
12:19
to have education funding. You put that,
12:22
we're going to get rid of all
12:24
vaccine mandates. All of them. That's measles
12:26
and mumps. That's a bunch of childhood
12:28
illnesses. Oh, yo. That's whooping cough. Let
12:30
me tell you what happened there. At
12:33
Camp David, where Joe Biden is prepping debate,
12:35
I can imagine, I will bet you that
12:38
someone saw that tweet. That
12:40
Trump just said that. Maybe our
12:42
pal Ben LeBolt and alerted Mike Donilon and Ron
12:44
Klain and everyone else, and Anita Dunn, everyone else
12:46
at debate prep. And they instantly said, this has
12:48
to be a moment at the debate because you're
12:51
right. That is like cutting education in half. Some
12:53
people don't understand the like, we're going to have
12:55
take it from the federal government and give it
12:57
to the states because it sounds like, oh, then
13:00
the states can control it. But actually admitting that
13:02
you're going to cut it in half. You
13:05
put that you say, these are two, I
13:07
mean, honestly, those are two ads. You do
13:09
the vaccine ads, by the way, side by
13:11
side with outbreaks of preventable childhood illnesses. We've
13:13
seen them in Florida. We've seen them elsewhere
13:15
because of this anti-vax fervor. That's one thing.
13:17
The fact that he has already told corporations
13:20
he wants to cut their taxes again. You
13:22
put that side by side with we're going
13:24
to cut education funding in half or we're
13:26
going to save a fortune. That is terrible
13:29
politics. And, you know, Trump goes in front
13:31
of these crowds and he's just used to
13:33
the fact that that that he's he that
13:35
that that most of what he says in
13:37
these speeches just basically goes unnoticed by anyone
13:39
who wasn't in the room. But that was
13:41
very bad. That is very bad. So,
13:44
yeah, one of the things that overshadowed
13:46
that comment was Trump
13:48
continuing to accuse Biden of taking
13:50
debate performance enhancing drugs. His
13:52
surrogates are getting in on the game to Dr. Ronnie
13:55
Jackson, congressman from Texas, is
13:58
apparently sending a letter to the White House.
14:00
demanding a drug test before the debate. Ooh,
14:03
a letter. Are these people fucking serious? Like,
14:05
Loved, you got any funny ideas for one-liners if
14:08
this comes up in the debate? I had one
14:10
pitch. I had one pitch, and here's my pitch.
14:14
You know, Donald, I am on a performance-enhancing
14:16
drug, and I'll tell you right now what it is.
14:19
Right before I come out on stage, Jill and I find
14:21
it very privately. Oh, no. Where
14:23
no one can see. And she tells me she loves me. And
14:26
to have that kind of love, that true love... Ooh.
14:30
Which you and I both know so well. That's
14:33
all I need to come out here. Which you and
14:35
I both know so well. Just hit him, just like,
14:38
because, you know, look, I've had
14:40
the love of my life by my side
14:42
at every debate, every big
14:44
decision, and that kind
14:46
of love, you know it, Donald. I think he should just say,
14:49
yeah, I am. What's it to you, narc? Yeah,
14:51
just gonna say, what are the ethics of PEDs? What
14:55
are we doing here? What are we debating, Barry Bonds being in the Hall
14:57
of Fame? What are we even talking about? None
14:59
of your business, Donald. Take your own shit.
15:01
Take whatever you need, Joe. Now
15:03
we're dodging the question. I hope he does get a
15:05
fucking shot. I hope they give him whatever they get.
15:07
I do, Secretary. Yeah, I don't care. Take whatever you
15:09
need. Whatever you need to do, buddy. It's actually very
15:11
controversial to say that Secretary was using performance enhancing. Well,
15:13
I think all of the horses were at that time.
15:15
They all were on certain kind of steroids. But everyone's
15:17
like, wow, when he died, his heart was four times
15:19
the size of a normal horse's heart. It's like, why
15:21
do you think that happened? Because he loved you deeply.
15:23
Yeah, that's right. Anyway, Dr. Ronnie, keep sending your fucking
15:26
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Trump can't leave the courtroom, so just to rub it in a little. Pots
15:51
of America is going on his way to eat. We're keeping the money
15:53
going. Well, let's go.
15:55
Pots of America is going on tour. He's
15:57
probably asleep right now, but if he were...
16:00
We're conscious. You'd be so, so
16:02
jealous. The Democracy Rails tour begins in Brooklyn
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also been telling a news story on
16:24
the campaign trail about how he told
16:26
Dana White, who runs the Ultimate Fighting
16:28
Championship, that he should set up a,
16:30
quote, migrant league of fighters who
16:32
would compete against UFC fighters. Here
16:35
he is over the weekend saying this. And I
16:37
said, Dana, I have an idea. Why don't
16:39
you set up a migrant league of
16:42
fighters and have
16:44
your regular league of fighters? And
16:47
then you have the champion of your league. These
16:49
are the greatest fighters in the world. Fight the
16:51
champion of the migrants. I think the migrant guy
16:53
might win. That's how tough they are. He
16:56
didn't like that idea too much, but actually it's not
16:59
the worst idea I've ever had. That's
17:03
true. That's true. He's
17:05
had worse ideas. Give me your huddled masses
17:07
and I will put them in a cage
17:10
fighting league as public spectacle. We're just doing
17:12
gladiators, right? That's just gladiator. We're just bringing
17:14
back gladiators height. Just gladiator. Gladiators 2 is
17:16
coming out soon. This could be some sort
17:19
of sponsored content opportunity. I mean, on brand
17:21
for the xenophobic game show host, I guess.
17:24
Yeah, he's just, he's finding a
17:26
silly way to say that there
17:29
are superhuman monsters. Dehumanize.
17:31
Yeah. He likes to
17:33
do dehumanized people who aren't American. That's
17:36
his stick. It's always interesting when you road test these
17:38
lines for the first time and you can hear the
17:41
audience being like, oh no, no, no, no, no. They're
17:43
kind of offended by that. Not offended,
17:46
but they're shocked by it at least. Well I'm not
17:48
surprised that Dana White didn't think it was a good
17:50
idea and he's no Lib. No, he is not. He
17:52
is not. So Trump's talking a lot about
17:54
migrants in the run up to the debate and
17:56
he's been hinting at how he might attack
17:58
Biden on the issue. Tuesday night, spoiler,
18:01
he's not gonna challenge him to the migrant league,
18:03
but Greg Sargent over at the New Republic wrote
18:05
a piece about how Trump posted the news of
18:08
the gruesome murder of a girl
18:10
in Texas, allegedly by two
18:13
men with records of violating immigration law,
18:15
called it, quote, a new Biden migrant
18:17
killing, and said, quote, I look forward
18:19
to seeing him at the fake debate
18:21
on Thursday, let him explain why he
18:23
has allowed millions of people to come
18:25
into our country illegally. In other news,
18:27
Trump also said on the All In
18:29
podcast last week that he would
18:31
automatically issue green cards to immigrant students as soon
18:33
as they graduate college, but that
18:36
was a statement his campaign immediately
18:38
walked back by saying the policy
18:40
would apply only to extremely skilled
18:42
graduates, and that eligibility would, quote,
18:44
exclude all communists, radical Islamists, Hamas
18:46
supporters, America haters, and so on.
18:50
First of all, what do you guys make
18:52
of Trump and his campaign trying to tie
18:54
Biden to any bad crime committed by an
18:57
undocumented immigrant? I mean,
18:59
it's a continuation of what he's been doing. I
19:01
mean, remember back around the State of the Union,
19:03
Republicans were very focused on the murder of a
19:05
woman named Lakin Riley in Georgia, who was allegedly
19:07
killed by someone who was in
19:09
the US illegally. So I'm not at all
19:12
surprised he didn't do this. I mean, the
19:14
challenge here for Biden is stories like
19:17
the ones he's trying to tell that are kind of
19:19
lurid and specific
19:21
and emotional are powerful and memorable, and
19:23
you have to figure out a way
19:25
to push back that isn't just with
19:27
statistics, lest you look kind of like
19:30
Mike Dukakis at a
19:32
debate in the past when he was asked
19:34
about capital punishment and whether he
19:36
would be in favor of capital punishment if someone
19:38
were to murder his wife and responded in sort
19:40
of a robotic way. I think that's like kind
19:42
of the test case reporters are always thinking about
19:44
in the back of their head. So he's got
19:46
the fear of a way to push back, but
19:48
also go on offense on this and talk about
19:50
the reality of crime under the Trump administration when
19:52
statistics went way up. Yeah, love it. How do
19:54
you think Biden should respond? Yeah, so here's
19:57
sort of how I sort of responded to it.
19:59
And, you know, there was a Greg Sargent wrote
20:02
a piece and he asked
20:04
James Carville, he asked Dan Pfeiffer, he asked
20:06
you, John. Me. You, John are
20:09
in that piece. And I- I brought this to
20:11
my attention. I feel like there was, you
20:13
know, I think there's a
20:15
few different points to make, but I think
20:17
it is worth saying some version of, these
20:20
are horrible crimes, and some of these
20:22
folks have been in and out of the country for years, even
20:24
while you were present. Of course. And we
20:27
have to solve this problem. And I got a
20:29
group of people together to solve it, Democrats and
20:31
Republicans. And you know who killed that? You
20:34
killed it. Why? Because you were worried
20:36
about the politics of actually solving this problem because you want
20:38
the chaos and you care more about you than you care
20:40
about what happens on the border. Now, I know Joe Biden
20:43
is never going to say something like this, but it would
20:45
be something like, and so if you want to find out
20:47
who has blood on their hands, look in the mirror. But
20:51
that's not the Joe Biden I know. Well, the other thing
20:53
is, I think that's all right. And then Trump's going to,
20:55
Fox News and the right wing media have
20:58
been linking these murders also
21:00
to Joe Biden's new policy they announced last week
21:02
that we talked about where he is granting
21:05
a pathway to citizenship for two
21:07
spouses, undocumented spouses of American citizens
21:09
who've been here for 10 years.
21:12
And they're somehow saying that that's going
21:14
to cause more migrant murders, which is
21:16
fucking preposterous. And so, you
21:18
know, if you're Biden, you say, look,
21:20
my plan is about keeping families together
21:22
who've been here for years, who are
21:24
law abiding citizens and
21:27
their undocumented spouses and children. Your
21:29
plan is about ripping families apart, which is what
21:31
you did when you were here as president. And
21:33
by the way, crime rate is now lower than
21:35
it was when you were president. So maybe you
21:37
should explain why, maybe you won't say blood on
21:39
your hands, but you can say, maybe you should
21:42
explain why the crime rate spiked when you were
21:44
president, when you left office, and now it's lower.
21:46
And by the way, of course we should go after anyone
21:50
who commits murder, undocumented or not, like as hard
21:52
as we can, right? Yeah, I think there's a
21:54
simple way to say it too, like there
21:57
was a crisis at the border the day I walked
21:59
into office. There's a crisis on the
22:01
border on day one. This is because you didn't
22:03
solve it. You talked about it,
22:05
you scapegoated people, you yelled about it, you
22:08
talked about it while you didn't build it,
22:10
and we're gonna try to solve it. Because you can't
22:12
solve it, you wanna yell about it. Because you don't
22:15
really care. You're using the, in a typical disgusting manner,
22:17
you are using these murders to make a political point
22:19
about the border, because you don't really care about the
22:21
border, you don't really care about immigration. You just care
22:23
about the politics. You think it wins you votes. Yeah.
22:25
That's it. We'll see. What
22:28
do you guys think about the green card? The
22:30
old green card to the diploma. Love it, I'm sure you remember this, because how
22:32
many times do we write the line for Barack
22:34
Obama? It's a very
22:37
old proposal. The second I saw it,
22:40
the second I saw that Trump had said this, I
22:43
didn't look at an article, before I even saw any
22:45
news about it, I was like, he talked to a
22:47
rich person. Exactly. He talked to a
22:49
rich person, a Silicon Valley type person, who
22:51
says this kind of thing, and he just
22:54
repeated it, because he was talking
22:56
to other people that he thought might like it, and
22:58
so then the campaign had to walk about it. Yeah,
23:00
this is part of a little sales pitch that he
23:02
gives to get money from naive idiots in the business
23:04
world or in Silicon Valley. By the way. And
23:06
he found a few at the All In podcast. He
23:08
sure did. He found a whole bunch. And by the
23:10
way, he's absolutely never going to go through with this
23:12
proposal, if elected. His entire base wants to limit immigration.
23:14
There's no way. Well, how do we know he won't?
23:16
Because he was president for four years, didn't
23:19
do it, didn't want to do it, opposed it. But this
23:21
is part of this broader wish list, which is like tax
23:23
cuts. Now he's flip-flopped on cryptocurrency.
23:25
Now he's the crypto guy. He's going to
23:27
cut regulations. But yeah,
23:29
these Silicon Valley types are
23:31
basically desperate for software engineers to come into
23:33
the country. But in practice, what this would
23:35
do would be to give green cards to
23:38
lots and lots of students from China and India. Like more
23:40
than half of foreign students in 2022 and 2023 were
23:43
from India and China. But on the
23:46
stump, Trump talks about migrants from China
23:48
as enemies, literally an army. He talks
23:50
about military-aged males coming to the country.
23:53
What's a college student? I also think this is another, the
23:56
details of the actual issue aside. It
23:58
is a... it is a
24:01
signal to a certain class of like
24:03
kind of, they think they're a non-ideological,
24:05
they think they're apolitical, but they're kind of
24:08
like anti-woke rich people who just think the
24:10
left has gone crazy. And this is a
24:12
permission structure to say, see he's not, yeah,
24:14
he says this stuff, but look, look, he'll
24:17
do H1B visas, he's okay. It's not so
24:19
scary. It's also for the shrinking, almost non-existent
24:21
Wall Street Journal editorial reading section
24:23
of the Republican party that's almost gone now. Like,
24:26
see, I'm gonna be a little, The Paul Ryan's
24:28
of the world. Even though, again, the reason this
24:30
policy is not real because Barack
24:32
Obama proposed it, Hillary Clinton proposed it in 2016, is
24:35
because you just can't find enough Republicans
24:37
in Congress to go along with it.
24:40
Could have passed this legislation anytime
24:42
in the last two decades. Republicans
24:44
wouldn't do it. Yeah, I mean, the other
24:46
sort of interesting thing that came away from
24:49
that long, terrible interview was Trump
24:51
is clearly doing debate prep, but lying and
24:53
saying he's not. Because he's like, I
24:55
don't need to debate prep, I don't do it, why would
24:58
I even bother? And he's like, I was reviewing a video
25:00
of Joe Biden. I was like, debating Paul Ryan. You're like,
25:02
ah, that sounds like homework, sir. That was
25:04
very funny, by the way, when he was like, they're
25:06
like, what do you, the Allen hosts were like, give
25:09
us debate predictions. And he's like, well, people
25:12
keep saying Joe Biden's, you know, not great,
25:14
but he, I watched him debate
25:16
Paul Ryan. He demolished Paul Ryan. It's like,
25:18
you also watched him debate someone else. You,
25:21
though maybe you don't remember because you were
25:23
like so fucked up from COVID when you
25:25
were like just spraying everyone in the debate
25:27
room with your germs in the first debate.
25:29
You did debate Joe Biden twice. Yeah,
25:33
I rewatched the first debate on the
25:35
flight last night. He did? Why? That's
25:38
cool. Way better than I remembered. I had a great
25:41
time. Now he does look so beat red. He looks
25:43
like he's like in a sauna. He's so angry. Can
25:45
you give us some highlights? What was your favorite part of
25:47
that? What was my favorite part? What was your least favorite
25:49
part? Let me pull up my notes. Okay, one really important
25:51
thing. I mean, we'll get to this in the abortion section,
25:54
but Biden says abortion is on the ballot and Trump's
25:56
like abortion is not on the ballot. How do you
25:58
know that? Barrett thinks about
26:00
abortion. That's so funny. So I'm sure that will
26:02
come back. Yeah, I hope so. That's good. Trump
26:05
apparently, when he was in Philly, talked to
26:07
a reporter and said that he has picked
26:09
the VP in his mind. He hasn't
26:11
told anyone and that person will be at the debate.
26:13
Which is, I'm so curious. Like, do you think that
26:16
means that he invited all the candidates
26:18
to the debate and it's like an awkward,
26:20
they all show up? Or is it just,
26:23
because otherwise it's just, everyone's going to know.
26:25
Like if just Doug Burgum comes to the
26:27
debate, we know it's Doug. But maybe Doug,
26:29
Marco, and JD will all be
26:31
there. Who knows? Interesting, interesting. Yeah, I mean, or maybe
26:33
he's just lying, which he always does anyway. Right. If
26:35
he doesn't care that they feel uncomfortable or that it's
26:38
weird, he just wants them to come and be there
26:40
and to see who comes. Yeah, it's the apprentice. It
26:42
would be funny to make them all share like a
26:44
hold room or even a hotel room. Put
26:46
them all in the same suite and there's a camera there. Yeah.
26:50
Yeah. And Burgum's like, Marco, can you
26:52
pass the Diet Cokes? Something
26:54
like that. I like that. Sure,
26:58
why not? Yeah, and that kind of
27:00
like, that kind of back and forth.
27:02
Camera parts. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, like,
27:04
can I, I'm going to, no, you,
27:06
OK. JD, can you pass
27:08
the Daily Stormer? No?
27:10
OK. Mark Roobers, I'm sorry. Replace
27:12
the toilet paper next time. Mark Roobers, like, do you guys mind
27:15
if I put on white noise and he presses it and it
27:17
just screams? I
27:19
can't fall asleep without something really to distract me.
27:23
One other thing of note, Trump mentioned over the weekend, he talked about
27:25
the third party candidates on the
27:27
ballot and praised two of them in particular.
27:29
Here's a clip. Cornel West, he's one of
27:31
my favorite candidates, Cornel West. And
27:34
I like, I like her also, Jill Stein.
27:37
I like her very much. You know why? She takes 100% from them.
27:41
He takes 100%. Just,
27:43
just reading the stage directions right there.
27:46
By the way, this happened to be the same day
27:48
that Cornel West announced that he's collected enough signatures to
27:50
appear on the ballot in Michigan. Yikes.
27:54
You guys think Trump's own words here could be an
27:56
effective argument to third party voters? I know we've talked
27:58
a lot about, you know, someone who's
28:00
thinking about voting third party, hey, you're just gonna
28:02
let Trump is not always effective. But when you
28:04
have Trump out there saying, hey, this is gonna
28:06
help me, I don't know. I think so. I
28:08
think it's helpful. I throw it in there. I
28:10
really like it. I think it's a good thing
28:12
to get out there. You know, look, this thing
28:14
potentially comes down to so few votes. And I
28:16
do think that there's, you know,
28:18
that subset of people that when
28:21
they're told that they're voting for Trump have a
28:23
kind of obstinate and like, well, you know, I
28:25
didn't choose these candidates and you know, Biden
28:28
has to persuade me, all the kind of stuff you'll hear from the kind
28:30
of group of people that are most amenable to
28:32
someone like Cornel West. And I think having Trump to say it directly
28:34
is pretty hard to argue with. How
28:36
worried are you about Cornel West, Tommy? Quite, quite.
28:38
He's on the ballot in Michigan. And then there's
28:40
a bunch of Republican operatives who have been working
28:42
to get signatures to get him on the ballot
28:44
in North Carolina. So were North Carolina to become
28:46
like a real swing state, it could be a
28:48
challenge there too. I mean, I think for anyone
28:50
who has like third party curious
28:53
people in their lives, I do think when you're trying to
28:56
dissuade them from that vote, you have to be
28:58
careful not to just immediately go to shouting at
29:00
them and saying, you're just voting for Donald Trump.
29:02
Cause a lot of these third party voters are
29:04
what they call double haters, which is a
29:06
really dislike either candidate and they're
29:08
thinking about staying home or third party. Or
29:11
if you just sort of like, if your only
29:13
appeal to them is you might elect Donald Trump,
29:15
that's not necessarily something that animates them the way
29:17
it does us. I do think though, highlighting
29:20
the cynicism of Trump's
29:22
comment and his staff's efforts to get
29:24
these candidates on the ballot just to
29:26
harm Trump, maybe that will feel insulting
29:28
to them. I was just gonna say
29:31
it is, that's what, it feels like Trump is insulting
29:33
them and that might piss them off.
29:35
When you, I've been listening to
29:37
focus groups with these third party voters and there are
29:39
some who are like, honestly, it's just, it's a moral
29:41
thing. I can't look at myself in the mirror. I
29:43
know that I'm throwing away my vote. I
29:46
know that I don't like Donald Trump, but I'm just gonna
29:48
do it anyway. Those people, those people you're probably not gonna
29:50
get, but there are, there have been a lot of people
29:52
in these groups who are, they don't pay a lot of
29:54
attention to politics, but they pay enough attention to know that
29:56
they're like, you know, I'm considering third party, but I just
29:58
don't wanna throw away my vote. Like they
30:00
know that it's thrown away their vote. So I
30:02
think letting people know that it's
30:05
like a mathematical impossibility for some of
30:07
these candidates, just about all of them
30:09
except maybe RFK Jr. to win because
30:11
they're not on the ballot in enough states, which will certainly
30:13
be the case for Cornel West. He won't
30:15
be on the ballot in enough states to get to 270. Jill
30:18
Stein, because she's Green Party, she'll
30:20
come closer. RFK Jr. could come
30:22
closer, but it's still, I think one
30:25
step is telling people that it's a mathematical impossibility for
30:27
your candidate to win. Yeah, I also, I think there's
30:29
people out there that say like, every
30:32
four years you come to me and you say, vote for the lesser
30:34
of two evils, vote for the less of two evils. And I don't
30:36
wanna do it anymore. I just can't do it anymore. And
30:38
I do think that there's an
30:41
argument to be made to that kind of person in
30:43
this moment that is about putting a vote
30:45
for Joe Biden in the broader
30:47
context of building power and
30:50
how as much as this may not be
30:52
the candidate you wanted, a
30:54
vote for Joe Biden helps you to be
30:57
in a position to like make the change
31:00
inside of the Democratic Party in a
31:02
bigger way over the next several years. And that
31:04
we, that no, you may not be happy with
31:06
your choices, but you
31:08
know, a world where Joe
31:11
Biden is president is a world where the change you
31:13
want is possible. A world where John Trump is president
31:15
is a world where it's not. And you could just
31:17
go to a couple core issues like, hey, have you
31:19
noticed that it's the hottest year on record every year?
31:21
Do you believe climate change is real? Okay, well, one
31:23
person did something about climate change, which is Joe Biden.
31:25
The other doesn't believe it's been made. The other thinks
31:28
it's cool because it'll mean more beachfront property as well.
31:30
Do you think that women should be able
31:33
to make their own healthcare decisions? Okay, well,
31:35
Joe Biden does too. Donald Trump
31:37
is gonna restrict women's healthcare as much as
31:39
humanly possible, especially abortion access. So I
31:41
mean, I would just go to like issue areas
31:44
and try not to make it entirely personal. I
31:46
had a friend tell me who's like very unhappy
31:48
with Joe Biden and been at protests over Gaza
31:50
to say like, you know what? You're protesting Joe
31:53
Biden right now. Voting for Joe Biden gives
31:55
you the opportunity to keep protesting. How did that take
31:57
it? Because- Oh my God.
32:01
I knew I had to be you. I knew I
32:03
had to get ahead of you. See, oh, you saw
32:05
roads in New York. That's... The
32:08
chance to keep protesting. There it is.
32:12
Whatever it takes, guys. Whatever it takes. We
32:15
haven't heard a lot from Biden lately because he's been holed up in debate
32:17
prep at Camp David, but campaign
32:19
aides did talk to the New York Times for a piece about
32:21
how the sides are preparing and what they hope to get out
32:23
of it. One thing I thought was pretty interesting in the piece
32:25
is that the campaign doesn't think the debate, even
32:27
if it goes very well, is going to
32:30
immediately change things in terms of polling, but
32:33
that it will be, as the piece says, quote, the starting
32:35
bell for the general election. What do you guys think? Are
32:37
they trying to lower expectations there in case it doesn't go
32:39
well, or do you think they're right about how much it
32:41
will move numbers? It feels like both and great. I was
32:43
like, oh, that does make sense to me, and like, why
32:46
does it make sense to me? And
32:48
I think it's in part because one
32:50
thing we've talked about is, right, that these Senate candidates,
32:54
like Bob Casey or Ruman Gayego, are running a little
32:56
bit ahead of Biden. Are those people
32:58
that are right now saying they're either Gayego
33:02
Trump or Gayego undecided? Is that real? What does it mean
33:04
to bring them home? And so a lot
33:07
of what Biden is trying to do is get people
33:09
who right now are frustrated by the choice, maybe
33:12
less engaged, to go from saying they're
33:14
undecided or saying they're for Trump, but
33:16
on some fundamental level understand the stakes
33:18
to finally say, yes, even
33:21
though they're not super happy about the state of things, they're going to
33:23
do the right thing. That's a
33:25
sort of unusual kind of persuasion that might not
33:27
show up because of one debate. It's going to
33:29
happen over time, especially as we get closer and
33:31
closer to the election. Yeah. What do
33:34
you think, Tommy? I asked Chad
33:36
GPT to make up some Trump-style nicknames for the moderators that
33:38
I'd like to read to you now. Oh, okay. Wow. So
33:40
he just didn't want to... I did it as... You
33:43
know what? I'll take it. No, I love it. He's going
33:45
to let that bitch go by. I'll answer the question. I
33:47
mean, I talked about this a day and last week too.
33:49
I think four months is a lifetime in politics. We memory
33:52
whole literally everything. So they can, of course, come back from
33:55
something that's not good. I think... If you can
33:57
come back from an insurrection, you can come back
33:59
from a bad debate. senior moment. There is, I
34:01
think, though, like, dark.
34:03
Dan argued that, I mean, I agree with Dan's
34:05
point, which is like, I do think that Joe
34:07
Biden's age is a threshold question for a lot
34:09
of voters. And what they want to see Thursday
34:11
night is something that gives them confidence in his
34:13
ability to do the job for another four years.
34:16
I think they feel like the state of the union
34:18
was one of those moments where he looked like sharp
34:20
and on it and was punchy and giving it back
34:22
to the Republicans when they're heckling him. And
34:25
so hopefully we'll see a similar version of
34:27
Joe Biden. Now, like, he will likely stutter.
34:29
He will likely mumble through an answer. There
34:31
will be moments where all will cringe, whether those
34:33
will be kind of deal breakers for voters. Like,
34:36
it would probably take something pretty significant. You know
34:38
what the truthful spin is? I don't
34:40
care if Joe Biden forgets his name and falls
34:42
off the stage, still voting for him over Donald
34:44
Trump. That's where it's coming.
34:47
I mean, it's just like, well, sure. And at some point they
34:49
are, but we lose our credibility when we say that. But
34:53
like that, I disagree. I think
34:55
with the, at the core of what the Biden campaign is
34:57
trying to do here in all of their spin that
34:59
is not quite like that, but is it's like they are
35:02
trying to get the focus on Donald Trump, right? And
35:04
the threat that Donald Trump poses. And
35:06
I think what probably frustrates that campaign to no end,
35:08
and you're right, it is a threshold, the age is
35:10
a threshold question for most voters. And the campaign acknowledges
35:12
that for sure. But I think what frustrates them is
35:14
like, however, Joe Biden performs Thursday
35:16
night, Donald Trump is still Donald Trump. He
35:18
has still done all the things Donald Trump
35:20
did. He still wants to do all the
35:22
things Donald Trump will do. And that will
35:25
mean fucking disaster for the entire country. So
35:27
whether it's Joe Biden or any candidate up
35:29
there, like we've, we've got to like suck
35:31
it up and, uh, and go make sure that Donald
35:33
Trump doesn't win. Well, sure. Yeah, no, totally. I'm just,
35:35
I'm not arguing against any. No, no, no. I think,
35:37
I think that kind of points to what a, what
35:40
a good outcome versus a bad outcome of the debate is. And
35:42
a good outcome of the debate is a debate in which Donald Trump
35:44
is saying Joe Biden's on drugs and the
35:46
conversation is about how extreme and
35:48
dangerous. Yeah, sure. Exactly.
35:51
Well, hair, he
35:53
can't agree to hair.
35:55
Yeah. I mean, I think
35:57
what you're getting at is the fact that debates are. stupid
36:00
and irrelevant and have no bearing on the job
36:02
of president. Right. I mean, obviously
36:04
like the sort of these
36:06
two individuals are completely different. And one
36:09
has a set of policy views that would be good
36:11
for the country and one is a disaster. But for
36:13
some reason, we've decided that two old men standing at
36:15
a podium, yelling at each other for 90 minutes gives
36:18
us some sort of insight. Well, and unfortunately, it's it
36:20
is valuable and relevant just for the reason that you
36:22
just mentioned, which is we memory hold
36:24
everything. So just to refresh everyone's memory about
36:26
who these two men are and what they
36:28
stand for is probably important. And I'm just
36:30
going to spare both of you the fact
36:32
that the reason I think we have debates
36:34
as an important form for making political decisions.
36:36
Ulysses S. Grant. Is masculinity. Talk to masculinity.
36:39
Sure. That's part of it. Jake
36:41
spent a lot of time on Hillary Clinton's campaign. Jake
36:44
Flapper. Uh-huh. Tap dance
36:47
Jake. Uh-huh. Jabbering Jake. These are Chad
36:49
GPT and I mean. Have you run
36:51
these by Jake? Dana Smash. Oof. Rethink
36:54
that one, Microsoft. Bashful Dana Blabber
36:57
Bash. These aren't very good. It's
36:59
not there yet. Jakey Tappy. That's
37:02
funny. I still think Trump's fake
37:04
Tapper is probably the. Yeah, fake Tapper just sitting there.
37:07
Dana the Scoop Bash. These aren't even funny.
37:09
You know, if Chad GPT can't beat out
37:11
Trump on a nickname for Jake Tapper,
37:13
then I'm not as worried about artificial intelligence. Yeah, I
37:16
do believe Donald Trump has technically passed the Turing test.
37:19
Tappy McFlappy is the latest one. Okay, that's
37:21
fine. Now we're just sort
37:23
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38:24
The day we're recording this, Monday the 24th is
38:26
the two year anniversary of the Dobbs decision overturning
38:28
Roe v. Wade. It's a hugely important day for
38:31
the campaign to get its message out since media
38:33
outlets will all be covering the anniversary. And with
38:35
President Biden at debate camp, they had to turn
38:37
to their surrogate operation to get the job done
38:39
for them. Here is a sample. It's
38:42
about freedom and every
38:44
person of whatever
38:46
gender should understand that if
38:49
such a fundamental freedom such as the right
38:51
to make decisions about your own body can
38:53
be taken, be aware of
38:55
what other freedoms may be at stake.
38:58
Donald Trump, he ran on a
39:00
platform of overturning Roe v. Wade
39:03
and as president promised to appoint Supreme
39:05
Court justices that would do that, they
39:08
did that. And now these
39:10
rights are being taken away. This
39:13
is how it works, that
39:15
elections matter, that who's president,
39:17
who's in the Senate dictates who's on
39:19
the Supreme Court and has such a
39:21
massive impact on your lives. We
39:24
cannot let him win. We
39:27
cannot sit by while our freedoms
39:29
slip away. We're going
39:31
to walk every block and not
39:34
on every door. We're
39:36
going to organize phone banks and
39:38
register voters. We are going to
39:40
fight like hell and we are
39:42
going to win. Thank you, thank
39:44
you. Thank you. So
39:48
you might've recognized that first voice was
39:50
Vice President Kamala Harris. The
39:52
last voice was the first lady, Dr. Jill
39:54
Biden. And the guy in the middle, that
39:57
was Doug Amhoff, at. a
40:00
strict scrutiny live show in DC
40:03
on Saturday night. Kate was telling us there was gonna
40:05
be a surprise guest last time we were recording here.
40:07
It was Doug. And
40:09
apparently the second
40:11
gentleman arrived with a cheering section that included
40:14
none other than Kamala Harris herself in the
40:16
front row. Do you guys think she bought
40:18
her tickets on the crooked website? Oh, good
40:20
question. We probably gave her a freebie, no?
40:22
Who's seat did you take? Get
40:24
out of there, get out of there. Get out of your fucking seat. That's Kamala Harris.
40:27
I hope we, as soon as I heard she was there,
40:29
everyone was slacking that she was there. I was like, I
40:31
hope we gave her a good seat. Nobody found a handheld
40:33
mic and just kind of chucked it down there? Yeah. And
40:36
what do you think about this? Again,
40:38
Vice President Harris, anytime you would like to
40:40
be on a crooked podcast, you don't just
40:42
have to attend. You can be on. We'll
40:45
talk. Right, in this case,
40:47
for example, any scheduling problem couldn't have
40:49
been the case. You were there. You
40:51
were very much present. So it seems
40:53
like you, I mean, technically you were
40:55
available. I don't know how
40:57
much more personally we can take this, White House.
40:59
Yeah. What do we
41:01
have to do? What other media outlets do you have
41:04
to send these to on? We're out here on the
41:06
front lines, day after day, talking
41:08
about how young Joe Biden is. Put him
41:10
on here. Who do you have to fuck
41:12
in this White House? Oh, sorry, nevermind. Just
41:14
kidding. Where else
41:16
are you gonna send Joe Biden and
41:19
Kamala Harris before Pod Save America? Where?
41:21
Anyway. They all in Pod. Yeah,
41:23
seriously. Any YouTuber.
41:25
Any YouTuber. We
41:28
got invited to a Biden influencer
41:30
event in Los Angeles. That's true. We
41:32
did. Barack Obama stopped by and he was
41:34
like, oh, some of you have likes and follows. He
41:37
looked at the three of us like, what
41:39
the fuck are you guys doing here? He's
41:41
like, you're influencers. We've been sorted into the
41:43
influencer slash creator category and I find that
41:46
troubling. It's digital content creators. That's what we're-
41:48
That's accurate. Yeah, I guess. Fine, whatever. Anyway,
41:51
back to abortion. The campaign says it's gonna be holding
41:53
more than 50 events to mark the day. That's the
41:55
Joe Biden slogan. That's
41:58
true. That includes everything from more. standard
42:00
stuff like Elizabeth Warren holding an event
42:02
in Wisconsin. Two celebrity appearances, Padma Lakshmi
42:04
will be doing something in Atlanta. The
42:06
campaign's also holding storytelling trainings to help
42:08
people tell their own personal stories about
42:10
abortion and reproductive care, including some of
42:13
the women who've already told their stories
42:15
in ads. One of those
42:17
women, Caitlin Joshua from Louisiana is featured
42:19
in a new ad that
42:21
the Biden campaign just released today. I
42:24
was right around 11 weeks when
42:26
I had a miscarriage. The pain
42:28
that I was feeling was excruciating.
42:30
I was turned away from two
42:32
emergency rooms. That was a direct
42:34
result of Donald Trump overturning Roe
42:36
v. Wade. He's now a
42:38
convicted felon. Trump thinks he should not be
42:40
held accountable for his own criminal actions, but
42:42
he will let women and doctors be punished.
42:44
We want to support someone that does have
42:47
our best interests at heart. And that's why
42:49
I'm so adamant about supporting President Biden. I'm
42:51
Joe Biden and I approve this message. So
42:53
let's talk about how this will come up
42:56
at the debate. Trump's been bragging about overturning
42:58
Roe. He's been using
43:00
Kellyanne Conway's presumably poll tested
43:03
argument that this is just all
43:05
up to the States now and the States get to
43:07
decide and people get to decide. He's
43:10
also been lying about Democrats
43:12
wanting live birth abortions, which
43:14
isn't a thing. How do
43:16
you guys think Biden should handle this exchange when
43:18
it comes up at the debate? Tommy, you want
43:20
to, you started with the, uh, what happened at
43:22
the last debate? Yeah, I mean, well, you know,
43:25
he can, he can certainly build on the back
43:27
and forth they had in the 2020 debate when,
43:29
when Biden was saying abortion is on the ballot. I mean,
43:32
I think it's a complicated argument because
43:34
Roe was then overturned despite Joe Biden winning. But the
43:36
point he was making was about the Supreme Court justices
43:38
that the next president will get to pick. And if
43:40
Trump is president, what will he end up with like
43:42
an eight one majority probably by the end? I mean,
43:45
he could, he could have a, he could name a
43:47
lot of, I could go to seven to justice. So
43:50
I mean, I thought that ad was incredibly powerful.
43:52
Republicans want to talk about abortion. Like it's just
43:54
another form of birth control. It's something people do,
43:56
you know, willy nilly. That's not something that's painful
43:59
or thought. about deeply. I mean, I think
44:01
that ad shows that tells
44:03
the truth about what abortion is like
44:06
and why women need it in this
44:08
country and the dangerous health
44:10
situations that the new reality has put them in.
44:13
Love it. Yeah, I
44:15
think Joe Biden has to basically just say Donald Trump
44:17
is the reason abortion
44:19
was overturned in this country. I want to protect
44:22
access to abortion. He wants to make
44:24
it a crime to have
44:26
an abortion. He's already talking about
44:29
what he's going to do in his next term
44:31
and he's going to make it impossible not just
44:33
in red states, not just in red states, but
44:35
in blue states for women to access reproductive care. That
44:37
is the threat. The last time Donald Trump and
44:39
I debated, I said he was going to overturn Roe
44:41
v. Wade. He said he wouldn't or he said
44:43
it wasn't true. Guess what? It was true. You can't
44:46
believe Donald Trump because he knows how unpopular this
44:48
is. But, you know, reproductive rights are on the ballot.
44:50
Yeah. He's bragging about overturning Roe
44:52
v. Wade. This is what he's bragging about.
44:55
Women who have been turned away from
44:57
E.R.s who are bleeding out, women who
44:59
have been turned away, who have
45:01
gone into septic shock, a couple in
45:03
Alabama who couldn't who was just wanted
45:06
a baby so bad and went through IVF and
45:08
couldn't continue because of the Alabama State Supreme Court
45:10
and what they decided. He says that it's left
45:12
to the states. But like the
45:15
fundamental truth is no one
45:17
knows the path that a pregnancy will take and
45:20
women deserve care
45:22
when they need it. And no one knows when
45:24
they'll need the care or or where
45:26
they'll need the care. And Donald Trump doesn't think you
45:28
should have the right to that care. And that's what
45:30
it is. And and we are seeing his
45:33
politicians, his loyalists, pass the most extreme
45:35
bans and onerous restrictions all across the
45:37
country. He thinks it's okay to monitor
45:40
women's pregnancies as long as some Republican
45:42
legislature in some state decides to do
45:44
it. People haven't had a chance to
45:47
vote on this when they have, by
45:49
the way, they've enshrined the right to
45:51
abortion in their constitution. But some people
45:54
are sitting in states with Donald Trump's
45:56
followers in the legislature. And now if
45:58
they need care, and they're bleeding
46:00
out, they could be turned away for an emergency room. That's
46:02
what he's bragging about. And they're not done. They
46:05
want to pass a federal abortion
46:07
ban. They want to criminalize medication abortion.
46:09
And by the way, his coalition is
46:11
just made up with a bunch of
46:13
creepy fucking weirdos who want to be
46:15
a part of every decision you make
46:17
in your life, in your bedroom, whether
46:20
it's IVF, whether it's contraception, whether it's
46:22
the birth control pill. These guys are
46:24
not done. And now where
46:26
Trump will go, because I know, because
46:28
this is where Kellyanne keeps wanting him to go,
46:31
is he'll say, Joe, tell me what
46:33
week you would
46:35
have the restriction at. Tell me how many
46:37
weeks. How many weeks would you do? Pick a number. You
46:40
think right up until the day of birth. And
46:43
then he wants Biden to say no. It's like, well
46:45
then what, the week before? Two weeks before? You
46:48
can't come to some kind of compromise on a week,
46:50
blah, blah, blah. And I think that at that point,
46:52
Biden's like, what I want is the fundamental right that
46:54
we've had in this country for the last several decades.
46:56
That's what I want. You can't take the bait and
46:58
respond to Trump on that. You need to say these
47:00
are decisions that are being made by women and they're
47:02
doctors, not by you, Donald. Yes, and
47:04
that has been the problem since Dobbs,
47:07
is that doctors aren't making these decisions.
47:09
These aren't medical decisions. These are decisions
47:11
by Greg Abbott. Greg Abbott, make these
47:13
decisions. Donald Trump, make decisions. You
47:16
wouldn't trust Donald Trump to watch your laptop at
47:19
a fucking, at a Starbucks. No,
47:21
I would not. Absolutely not. I
47:24
can imagine Donald Trump being at a Starbucks.
47:27
Does he drink coffee? No, because
47:29
he's on drugs. Which one? Pro-vigil?
47:32
I don't know. Allegedly. He's
47:34
gonna submit to Dr. Ronnie's test
47:36
and then we will find out.
47:38
As always, Donald Trump is projecting.
47:41
And you're not really supposed, you don't duos epic
47:43
in the ass, but
47:45
I do think that's probably what he's thinking about. Well,
47:48
you can do it in the thigh or in the stomach
47:50
or the back of the arm is what they recommend. I
47:52
mean, it probably would work in the ass. I don't know
47:54
why it's not listed as an option. I
47:56
don't know either. Anyway, I think this is
47:58
our show for today. I think. Trump has taken
48:00
probigil or some sort of upper on foreign. Of
48:02
course he has. Of course. Of course he is
48:05
a sleepy old man. He, this guy. And again,
48:07
you know, if he wants to, if
48:09
Joe Biden wants to debate, God bless
48:11
him. We don't. Donald Trump's brain stopped
48:15
the elasticity of his brain locked up in
48:17
the late eighties and that was an uppers
48:19
era. Oh yeah. That was an
48:21
uppers era. But he didn't drink. If you
48:23
take an x-ray of his brain, it's just
48:25
Diet Coke. Yeah. In cocaine. Allegedly.
48:29
All right everyone, that's our show for today. We
48:32
will have a show for you Thursday
48:34
morning because Wednesday night we're
48:37
going to have a live show in Brooklyn and
48:39
that'll be out Thursday morning. So Thursday
48:41
morning live show post debate. Post
48:43
debate. Friday night show. Friday night show in Boston. Yeah,
48:46
it'll come out after that. Some of you might be
48:48
thinking that's too many shows. And you know what I
48:50
say to you? Eat shit. Download it and delete it.
48:52
I don't care. Just download
48:54
it. And buy the book. Please. Democrat
48:56
CRLs. crooked.com/book. You can buy it right
48:58
now. Right now. You can own it.
49:00
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49:02
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