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after joe biden signed the bill

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that will lower the cost of healthcare and prescription drugs

4:02

cracked down on billionaire tax cheats and

4:04

do more to fight climate change than any government

4:07

has in history

4:09

here with the headline in the new york times the

4:12

even on bivens big day

4:14

the skill in trump's long shadow

4:17

the head the sitting president

4:19

the even a triumphant ceremony to sign major

4:22

domestic legislation can hardly breakthrough

4:24

the nonstop attention on his predecessor

4:28

they just took a deep breath or know if

4:30

this guy came through in the audio

4:32

but there's a deep breath stand you want to give a

4:34

are a quick take appreciate a rating

4:36

before we dive in

4:38

the scale does not

4:41

go high enough set

4:44

up are

4:46

you just when i saw that when you saw the headline

4:49

we knew when we knew the author was

4:51

right we knew who the writer was

4:53

the to the peter baker special yes

4:55

like peter baker is a very very

4:57

smart guy he is probably

5:00

if not the one of the most

5:02

respected reporters in washington he's

5:04

been around for very long time i can

5:06

all dies in the documentary that are that

5:08

i'm about to our interview alex holder about

5:10

his about his in alex's document

5:12

the he certainly capital

5:16

surprise

5:18

me too soon as it is one of a one of the

5:20

people interviews feather have quite a bit

5:23

yes he by any i'm the

5:25

only way that i think someone as smart

5:27

as you to make it could write a story this obviously stupid

5:29

his successor possibilities one

5:32

his brain freeze him at his body that and

5:34

i can abbott's to this was a very specific

5:36

and devious plot to murder me specifically

5:39

by set of my

5:40

why press are skyrocketing through the moon

5:43

i told them but still

5:45

have the somewhere in the eye liner notes like i think we we

5:47

should just start with this and then said

5:49

that he was he says there is not

5:51

enough coffee to get himself ready specific

5:54

policy the for this to start with this take

5:57

that as the here i am on a one

5:59

coffee a day regimen these days and i went

6:01

up to one and a half coffee to be fully prepared

6:03

for this moment experts

6:06

i didn't like didn't don't we don't have dealt blake

6:09

go down a rabbit hole here but i just

6:11

wanna say that nothing

6:14

makes me more crazier than rub the media

6:17

possibly covering the things the media has

6:19

controller

6:21

this is a story of best

6:24

donald , overshadowing joe biden

6:26

written by the people who are covering donald

6:29

trump and forcing him to overshadow joe

6:31

biden and they are proving the

6:33

point of the article by writing article story

6:35

of bouts story overshadowing joe biden therefore

6:38

overshadowing joe biden on his big day

6:40

that

6:42

like you people of agency here he does it

6:44

has overshadowed stats a choice you made

6:46

you can be like if peter baker

6:48

went out and sprayed graffiti

6:51

on the white house and i wrote a story about vandalism afflicting

6:53

the by the ministry said it's like you did

6:55

it you're responsible for this

6:57

com

7:00

the i want to come to the defense of

7:02

my friend and colleague peter baker a

7:04

specific the for physicists

7:06

if you turn a list of

7:09

, but it'll a series

7:11

of was or whatever the actual challenge here

7:13

for the by the ministration because while

7:15

it pains me deeply to admit the peter baker

7:17

has baker point the news that

7:20

the story but that doesn't have a story of

7:22

course ridiculous of course rights but

7:24

the boat going forward the

7:26

news tends to cover what's new

7:29

there won't be many more developments in the

7:31

inflation reduction act story it

7:33

will no longer be new yeah we've got the passage

7:35

we got the signing ceremony media celebration

7:38

here and there then it's over there

7:41

are constant developments the

7:44

prompted crime story we're going

7:46

to cover them next we're not covering them first because

7:48

we have agency dan we're gonna say

7:50

the for that is that first but how how

7:53

do democrats in the white house make

7:55

sure

7:56

people know what's in the spill and keep

7:58

this story alive

8:00

even though the media will not be covering

8:03

it for much yeah

8:05

i you are

8:07

correct that there is a colonel there

8:09

is a reality of that core of

8:11

this peter baker story which is donald

8:14

trump is omnipresence to date

8:16

biden has had trouble breaking through

8:18

those two things are true like

8:21

i said just a little self examination would

8:23

have really benefited that story ah

8:25

fuck this is there is a there is a challenge

8:28

the war

8:29

the want it so the question

8:31

is this was your compass met her you let people

8:33

know that's know that's accomplishment and time to have them though

8:36

with i accomplishment

8:38

in mind november and so just

8:41

, dylan who was by campaign manager

8:44

the one of the cheapest gas and and he the dodgers

8:46

their senior adviser and sort of like message and goober

8:48

read this memo to ron klain that

8:51

sound it's why i'm sure not by accident at all

8:53

into political and they list a

8:55

whole bunch of things are doing its own it's a well thought out

8:57

plan i have written many of

8:59

those memos over the years

9:01

i everything in their memo i would do a thing it's right

9:04

into do the very

9:06

hot album you call them message box

9:08

see my city was yes

9:10

it's are now they're public that

9:12

is that of just making them but as i get

9:14

out the middleman right is that observing is slipping

9:16

it's the right unless i just

9:19

i said announcer the world's right out of probably

9:21

mister mister it's the most transparent memo

9:23

writer and history of editor

9:25

of i have like i said i'm overcaffeinated ah

9:29

there's like like the to the senate any advice

9:31

on how democrats

9:33

should deal with as i think it's not as the by what else at every

9:35

democrat on the ballot and everywhere house

9:38

senate gov dog catcher

9:40

whatever is a couple

9:42

things one let

9:44

me think about our media strategy about how to

9:46

get people to to know about this

9:49

we have to work backwards from the audience how

9:51

did the people we need to reach get the information

9:53

the we need to reach are people who are

9:57

largely deciding whether they're going to voter right

9:59

and i think

9:59

one core group here is yeah

10:02

here we know your house about climate we

10:05

also know they are the group

10:07

it is move most dramatically against biden

10:09

since twenty twenty terms of approval race ads

10:12

are here you have this huge accomplishment heady mix of it as you get to

10:14

work backwards based on

10:16

where they get their information

10:18

what media outlets wyatt platforms

10:21

what who will what influencers of that's

10:24

because what we

10:26

know is that traditional the

10:28

no amount of like rose garden ceremonies

10:31

trips to ohio to

10:33

do you know unveil some grant that

10:35

was god it's current

10:37

look on his on his responsible for had a rich

10:40

the waited it out

10:42

imperative number two is com opposite

10:44

market mike

10:47

how's your i read it is without that

10:49

is the answer to all things and i'm joe

10:52

her job and somewhat

10:54

good and i'm somewhat getting but not really

10:56

which is in a world in which were you

10:58

say the media won't covered new things you have to

11:00

over index your media searching

11:02

on outlets you will give you the opportunity to tell your

11:04

story on your terms to

11:07

your people so let us pause it america other

11:09

progressive outlets you have

11:11

to do that next is

11:14

have to recognize that

11:16

if the media won't cover what happened in the past the

11:19

weather true biases the thing they searched

11:21

for his contract yeah

11:24

i was going to don't talk about talking

11:26

about what you did but spend is just as much i'm

11:28

talking about republicans tried to stop you from doing or what they voted

11:30

against and so went into it and there is

11:32

this report i read somewhere or

11:35

i made up in my head i'm not entirely sure which

11:37

i'm sure someone with google can figured out that binds

11:39

going to give a big speech in a couple of weeks that

11:41

is going to sort of way out the contrast

11:43

with them in terms of that's good and the last thing is

11:45

like peter baker we have agency we can go

11:47

tell people that we don't have to wait for the new york times

11:49

we can decide whether it's buying is overshadowed

11:51

by twelve bytes soaring with a friend's posting

11:54

on social accent and

11:56

i think it's it's it's key

11:58

to figure out what the

11:59

the popular parts of the bill

12:02

are how to talk about the bill right like

12:04

i've struggled with this to it's

12:06

it's the you know that the did the biggest

12:08

investment in climate change in history

12:12

when you look at your that that navigator

12:14

research has and pulling out this morning on the most popular

12:16

parts of the bill and it's very

12:18

simple and not very sexy lowering

12:21

, costs lowering prescription drug costs

12:23

loring energy bills lowering

12:25

families energy bills by eighteen hundred dollars which

12:27

is what the bill will do that is more

12:29

popular in more effective than talking

12:31

about sweeping climate action now

12:34

sweeping climate action and the biggest

12:36

climb investment ever it you know that

12:38

could be more effective with some of the younger voters

12:41

that you were just talking about but i

12:43

do think for most people in the country hearing that

12:45

these investments in clean energy or actually lower

12:47

their energy bills because clean energy is cheaper

12:50

than dirty energy at this point point

12:52

going to make a big difference with people

12:54

but look i think it's a huge challenge i

12:57

all the focus groups i did for the wilderness where before

12:59

the inflation reduction act passed except for

13:01

the last one i just did in atlanta

13:04

satan wanted to do on after ourselves

13:06

and i'm hoof you

13:08

we are some work to do with a physicist

13:11

with this a was it was nine

13:13

voters around the table and i

13:16

they were complaining that ah

13:18

job and the democrats had done anything

13:20

at these people do not like republicans at all

13:22

defector extreme is no chance they'll vote for brain

13:24

camper any republicans but they were very unhappy

13:26

with were very biden the democrats and i said well have

13:29

you heard about the

13:31

bill that congress to pass it the

13:33

president binds about to sign tomorrow and

13:36

one percent in the group had heard about it

13:39

and everyone else was surprised by

13:41

that with that person started saying i think it's something about health

13:43

care and climate

13:44

and they're like why the determine

13:46

on climate finally i didn't know

13:48

that no one

13:50

and it is well within the news

13:52

that assists when this is also a that he challenges

13:55

of the were communicating through traditional

13:57

press you're reaching know ones who was

13:59

not or decided about whether

14:01

they're going to voted who they're going to vote for it's like

14:03

those people are not they're not watching

14:05

cnn they're not really york times

14:08

they're not on twitter and that's where we have

14:10

to think

14:10

the new more credit when this is really hard right is absolutely

14:13

has really hard

14:15

i think that i've been to the by the mysteries

14:17

has been doing this or maybe i'm just imagining

14:19

it but like you know calculators

14:21

about what it means for you how

14:23

much money you're going to save on either with

14:26

ac a subsidies with prescription drugs

14:29

on energy bills like i think just

14:31

have having done ah the focus groups people are most

14:34

interested in of course

14:36

what's going to make a difference in my life how's this going

14:38

to change my life because i i did get

14:40

some comments over the course of the focus

14:42

groups like oh there's this big infrastructure bill that

14:44

passed but are all the roads

14:47

in my be my state are still broken and

14:49

all those all of this to any pothole still and

14:51

why don't i see anything from the infrastructure bill had

14:53

changed anything i heard was going to do stuff and haven't

14:55

done anything and i do think there's this this

14:58

hunger out there for government to do something

15:00

that's going to improve their lives in some

15:02

measurable way now the challenge

15:04

of this bill as a lot of the

15:06

provisions that are going to make a difference or people are going to

15:08

take effect for a while but letting people know

15:10

what's coming to them and what's gonna happen

15:13

you know i think that's going to be really important for the by

15:15

mission to get out there and every democrat like you said

15:17

in all of us we all have agency her i

15:20

to now we did that now we can go to the trump did crime

15:22

story for , you're buying his overshadowing

15:25

trump's criminality that a from for democrats

15:27

masuda method of airtime ss ss

15:30

their quite a few do developments were talking about

15:32

in the marla go investigation we

15:35

learned the justice department is still investigating trump's

15:37

decision to hide nuclear secrets in his beach

15:39

house they said that they're still

15:41

interviewing witnesses ah

15:44

including former white house counsel patsy

15:46

bologna and his deputy their support about that

15:48

we also learned that one reason the f b i finally

15:50

get finally search warrant is that they saw something alarming

15:52

on the marla go surveillance footage that they subpoenaed

15:55

are in georgia we learned that trump's former

15:57

attorney mr rudolph giuliani

15:59

the told that he the target of the criminal investigation

16:02

into the attempt to overturn the last election ah

16:04

he he sat with the grand jury yesterday

16:07

they finally got rudy to testify

16:09

we also learned that dot his buddy lindsey graham

16:11

has been ordered by a federal judge to testify

16:14

ah claim is appealing that because he doesn't

16:16

want to testify or and in new york

16:18

we learned that allen weisel bird trump's long time

16:20

chief financial officer just pled guilty

16:22

to all fifteen felonies he's

16:24

been charged with related to the tax scheme

16:26

he ran for trump's isn't a lot

16:30

, lot of potential crimes they're n

16:32

n real crimes that have to confess

16:35

i may advocates of allen why suburbs then

16:37

we also learned that trump is apparently having apparently hard

16:39

time finding a lawyer who's

16:41

willing to represent him in all this mess

16:44

which if i was funny because on one hand the

16:47

numbers of having a hard time finding a lawyer who's willing

16:49

to represent him on the other hand

16:51

we found a bit single market the new york times

16:53

reported that he there were two days

16:55

of the last couple weeks since the f b i search

16:58

warrants where he raised a million

17:00

dollars from donors donors

17:02

day which is like the two best days he had

17:04

in a long long time and fundraising so having

17:07

a real hard time getting a lawyer to represent

17:10

him for his legal troubles but on the political

17:12

side ah his republican

17:14

support and the might come in from republicans

17:16

has never been better

17:17

what's what's going on next

17:20

i think you can probably break it down like this

17:22

is that know republicans

17:24

elected official or party

17:27

officials who is back donald

17:29

trump through any in his crux dating

17:31

back five six years now has paid

17:34

a real political price for having done

17:37

there is the you'd have people who pay the price

17:39

as we will talk about in the next segment are

17:41

the people who oppose trump's now for

17:43

attorneys that is something the

17:47

you mentioned rudy giuliani is a target

17:49

of a criminal investigation how did he find himself

17:51

enough as a sense by being donald trump's the turks

17:54

and it just as it is not because

17:56

donald trump is likely guilty we should be very

17:58

clear about that guilty plea

17:59

deserve

18:01

representation of course and rich

18:04

the o p degree rich guilty

18:06

white men never have trouble getting attorneys

18:09

right that happens all the times what is unique

18:11

about trump is i

18:13

think he is such a terrible we

18:15

dangerous quiet that he keeps getting

18:18

if you try to defend from from his crimes you somehow

18:20

become a participants crimes like take the example

18:23

of the affidavit that was sign

18:25

that claim that all of the

18:28

materials that they are dash

18:30

archives wanted have been returned when they absolutely

18:32

had lots that is probably because it

18:34

i'm speculating york's trump told

18:37

his attorneys that they

18:39

had all been returned so as attorney what

18:41

their name on a legally finding

18:44

documents saying that and so it's

18:46

in general most lawyers don't

18:48

wanna end up on the other side like

18:50

they don't have to go higher their own authority from doing this

18:53

i so i think trump is a uniquely it's dangerous

18:55

quiet now obviously , any

18:57

they're trying is a crime super spreader yes

19:00

if it's for fastest said thrive assists

19:03

the get near your get near get the crime

19:05

on you know it's

19:08

the i mean i do i thought the be in the moral ago

19:10

investigation i put so the government

19:12

the d o j basically said they do not want

19:14

to unseal the affidavit which is basically

19:17

the evidence that led

19:20

the judge to or issue the search

19:22

warrant to the f b i which

19:24

up trump and the press both asked

19:26

for them to unseal the affidavit and

19:28

the reason is they said disclosure

19:31

of the government's affidavit of the seeds would also likely

19:33

chill future cooperation by witnesses

19:35

who's assistance maybe site maybe this investigation

19:38

progress this made it can also harm

19:40

quote other high profile investigations

19:42

as well

19:43

that that was pretty interesting because there were

19:45

there was the start of the beginning after

19:48

the search was conducted okay maybe the

19:50

o j is just interested in getting

19:52

and and the o d and the federal government

19:54

general just interested in getting all their classified

19:57

information back and once they have it back sleep

20:00

the allowed and that that it

20:02

seems they either if they're continue the investigation

20:04

either there's a potential they may bring charges

20:07

the war

20:08

there's more

20:10

it may believe there's more classified information they

20:12

still don't have back or like

20:14

they just said the hinted there there are other

20:16

investigations somehow connected to the moral

20:19

i go investigation they're all wrapped

20:21

up together that they don't wanna keep their hands what

20:24

you do that the korean treating jotted i'm

20:26

excited to see what happens on say that's

20:28

his this is a system i

20:30

mean who knows right it is a vague

20:33

as vague good we says that trump's legal

20:35

jeopardy did not end

20:38

the raid that the wrist he is like

20:40

i was the he's got legal jeopardy and multiple jurisdictions

20:42

from multiple crimes the most places but

20:44

at this specific crime that

20:46

is currently overshadowing joe biden the tremendous

20:48

record of success he is not out

20:51

of the woods yet i think that is that

20:53

is interesting and notable and

20:55

young problematic for for trump

20:58

there's reports that he wants to release

21:01

the surveillance tape surveillance

21:04

footage of the f b i conducting the

21:06

search immoral ago period leave the f

21:08

b i when they started conducting the search trump

21:10

in the and his family was watching from new york they're

21:12

watching the surveillance footage and

21:14

the f b i told them sort of often they said net

21:16

they decided not to sound off and they just

21:18

watched the third the search anyway

21:21

and now trump wants to release that footage

21:23

why do you think us release avoid it i

21:26

can't imagine anything interesting there

21:28

by some of the reporting around this

21:31

is sad that the reason that trump allies wanna

21:33

do this as a take it off further the

21:35

site in inflame the trump basket you would

21:37

see you know f

21:40

b i agents whatever terrible

21:42

nazi or jackbooted thugs analogy

21:44

these right wing lunatics are using

21:46

so you know roaming around

21:48

his beach house i don't know why that that would be interesting

21:50

but i think they think it's just like more content that

21:52

makes it seem like ultimately what trump wants to be

21:55

it's is a martyr he wants to be

21:57

of think going to be a victory them just and the

21:59

i'm supposed to be a piece of

21:59

evidence that

22:01

dominate right wing media it

22:03

would rally people to his defense

22:05

even some of the people who came out there right away

22:07

to have since backed away as turns

22:09

out that every single thing he said from the day of the

22:11

raid for was a why

22:14

won't come back out because this will be a moment

22:16

to express support for trump so i it

22:18

is that can help us legal case i don't think necessary going

22:20

to help his larger political case

22:23

but i think it will likely mean

22:25

more one million dollar daves

22:27

and online donations for his scam pack

22:29

that he that uses to pay for his legal defense i

22:32

need to get gonna help his political case with the

22:34

with the general electric by any means but

22:36

clearly he's just running a republican primary

22:38

here and he wants to like

22:40

you said he wants to be the victim because if

22:43

he's the victim than republicans

22:45

will feel forced to rally around him

22:48

like i went through i thought

22:50

the from the beginning that like trump is gonna run

22:52

and is gonna be the nominee dan then there was

22:54

like was period where period briefly flirted with the

22:56

idea that may be rhonda santas could

22:59

take this guy down and i

23:02

was waiting for the moment the trump announced for president

23:04

and to see how rhonda centers would react to that

23:06

but i'm a similar moment came were

23:09

the f b i searches mara lago and

23:12

rhonda said this is just like there's no

23:14

daylight between haven't trump he just goes

23:17

right out of the i said he had a chance to

23:19

separate himself just a little bit on this

23:21

and no one did no one in the

23:23

republican party except for the you know the usual

23:26

that would go back to talk about separated themselves

23:28

from trump no matter how bad

23:30

the facts get for him around this

23:33

which may leave me now the think like i'd i

23:35

don't know i don't think anyone can take this guy down and

23:37

think any them are willing to do then

23:39

maybe that's what made a says i write a sentence

23:41

has a complicated political calculus

23:43

right now which is although he has favored

23:46

the is up for reelection in a few months and

23:49

where he to separate himself from donald

23:51

trump f b i re taking place

23:53

in rhonda santas est donald

23:56

trump or to actively turned against him than

23:59

that i think that but he still favorite but

24:01

that like he i understand why he did not do

24:03

that the question will be it's what you know what

24:05

happens the minute after the votes are counted if he

24:07

wins reluctant how does he navigate

24:10

trump med by

24:12

as idols as it is so obviously

24:14

huge favorite ah

24:16

the win the nomination where he to run again but

24:18

i don't know that what happened delight just as weeks

24:20

tells us at times about at least house

24:23

rhonda santas would running and

24:25

while one republican who separate

24:27

himself from trump this week is our our boy

24:30

mike pence of hang mike pence same

24:34

they , that the allied it made me laugh

24:37

laugh stages back of the news

24:40

for at gave a gave told

24:42

republicans to stop attacking the f b i

24:45

ah and also said that he would consider

24:47

an invitation to testify before

24:49

the january six committee when asked

24:52

by reporter when he would do if they

24:54

reached out what he thinks going

24:56

on there

24:57

i mean the arms race or explanation

25:00

for all things only mike pence is that he's one of the dumbest

25:02

people in american public lysis effective

25:04

it out of his all that a strategy happening there

25:07

i mean see know which is presumed for a second

25:09

that he is less dumb then everyone knows the

25:11

debates were trump's who runs

25:13

his chances of winning an ominous against trump

25:15

are miniscule very zero

25:18

if he doesn't do something to differentiate himself

25:20

from trump it is that you can make

25:22

a case against trump he would still lose

25:24

most likely bites it's is only shot

25:27

and so

25:28

i page

25:29

she is like the acceptance of mike pence's

25:32

something other than a national joke comes from the

25:34

fact that trump tried to murder him and

25:36

failure and so if

25:39

you're buying a january you are you see like the want the

25:41

wall street journal editorial board in some way don't

25:44

know republican donor road and sort of

25:46

maggot adjacent establishment folks

25:48

have come around on my pants in

25:51

part because odds what happened

25:53

on january six and that he stood strong

25:55

birthday and with the heroic

25:57

task of not committing treason

26:00

that was doomed to fail ah so

26:02

i think that he's probably sort of like riding that

26:04

a little bit what that actually be he's actually not testify

26:07

in a wide here it is

26:09

not about to be cassidy just insane or

26:11

ah for you know oilers yeah he lives

26:13

cheney again our team up together in the next

26:15

january cheney paid me it's just it's

26:17

such a small constituency as

26:19

were about to talk about with with with cheney

26:22

for republicans like pencil case

26:24

is basically i'm everything you loved about

26:26

the trump administration

26:28

without all the character flaws

26:31

for the charisma or , crew

26:33

like that but that's that's my point right foot

26:35

snow know people are people

26:37

are supporting trump the maccabees doesn't love

26:39

the accomplishments of the fucking trump administration

26:42

than other they're like singing the praises about

26:44

the abraham a course assistance

26:47

as not known as even are you said

26:49

that but somewhere his head just exploded

26:52

a success of this

26:54

that's this why they're they're they're there

26:56

for the character flaws they're there because

26:58

he's been assessed soul and like stern

27:00

of grievance and anger and resentment

27:02

that's what they love foods crazy

27:05

pence might have some new competition though in the race

27:07

to be the anti trump republican and twenty twenty

27:09

four our queen liz

27:11

cheney said on wednesday

27:13

the to thinking about running for president this

27:16

is after cheney lost her wyoming primary

27:18

against republican lawyer harriet hagman

27:20

on tuesday by sixty six to twenty nine

27:22

percent that's a lot

27:24

hope that a big loss but the

27:26

next day cheney hinted that she's

27:28

not done with politics during an interview with savannah

27:30

guthrie on the today show let's listen

27:32

will be do whatever it takes to keep donald trump

27:34

out of the oval ah well i know eaten say yes or no

27:37

and that's

27:37

if you're thinking about it but are you thinking about

27:39

it are you thinking about running for president

27:43

in that that's a decision that i'm going to make

27:45

in there in the coming months at a at i'm not gonna make

27:47

any announcements here this morning but to but

27:50

it is something that i'm thinking about not make

27:52

a decision now in the coming months

27:54

in are you are are you heading to say and to run

27:56

this thing or what

27:57

i presume raghavan together i were going to ganga

27:59

again maybe

28:02

, yeah jackson hold nice it's

28:06

set up camp there that exists exactly

28:08

what exactly bunch of resistance liberals would dear

28:10

where they i know i'm betting foreigners a

28:12

startup not even a little not the little

28:14

blue dot in west sussex since

28:17

west need to be derived where can we get it

28:19

shy latte where we need where was in one son

28:22

lot de sus

28:24

assuming that

28:25

live tv is both smart which i think

28:28

he is and genuinely wants to stop from

28:30

from becoming president again which i think she does

28:32

how would this work is this a good idea what what

28:35

could she be thinking it

28:37

wouldn't work john no

28:40

i mean look at it the i think it's own

28:42

thing is very fascinating

28:44

intellectual exercise which is probably where and

28:46

tops out and from the significance by

28:49

like here's how those hear the various scenarios

28:51

was adams one is trump

28:54

runs the santas runs a bunch

28:56

of republicans run and she joins that

28:58

see is

29:00

there and in a large more they can it's

29:02

the old is there are there enough hardcore

29:06

conservatives bush

29:09

cheney republic anti trump republicans

29:12

the i would not know there's doesn't mean

29:14

she got twenty nine percent in

29:16

a stable her family are political

29:19

royalty though

29:21

we can be very different in iowa or south

29:24

carolina summer like at the cheney's orbit

29:26

have been political royalty in that state for half a century

29:29

nother world is trump doesn't run

29:32

then there is no that there's there's no

29:35

wayne for her right or lane is anti trump

29:37

and degenerate you robbing big lies

29:39

like that's not theirs there are there's no reason

29:42

to rights and an excellent is

29:44

everyone else takes a pass your theory on rather

29:46

santas bear's out and just trump

29:49

shady right or maybe there's some other like thirty

29:52

or forty or jaegers with those the two people in that case

29:55

i don't think there would be a single rnc debate

29:57

i think the rnc would not hold the debate if the only

29:59

two the candidates were trump enchanting the

30:02

day addict or i i i i heard that they're flirting

30:04

with requiring every candidate

30:07

who participate in the debate to sign a loyalty pledge

30:09

they will ultimately support

30:11

the nominee in which case they think

30:13

that list eighty would not sign that pledge because

30:15

she will not ultimately support from

30:17

yeah and i think the the party would

30:20

probably pass a resolution saying she was not a dot

30:22

or not a republican yeah , they

30:24

just if they're not going to fuck around with is there

30:26

is a legitimate know liz

30:28

cheney allowed the decision to hold

30:30

primaries are hold primaries most cases decided

30:32

by the party so they could i think there's a legitimate

30:34

chance south carolina would cancel its primary if

30:36

it was

30:37

cheney now what

30:39

is interesting here what i think is savvy

30:41

about it is it could be in congress

30:44

another four months the hearing

30:46

has given or the suit performance as long

30:48

as she is talking about running for president

30:51

she is going to have a platform

30:53

at one she's out of congress wants a generous six hearing

30:55

committee is overly served as vision is efforts

30:58

to make a large public case

31:00

about pretending

31:02

to run for president or conway running for president will give

31:05

her media access

31:07

to the media give replaced him a ticket and if she wants to make

31:09

the case to republicans independence

31:12

biden republican sick cetera that returning

31:15

to you know to donald trump is deeply dangerous

31:17

she'll have the billie to do that either i think it's

31:19

this is a decision you

31:21

have a platform out to be present

31:24

what about the possibility of a

31:26

third party run

31:27

the talk about that i bet

31:29

that would be one way or party was always very hard you'd

31:31

have to join probably an existing party

31:34

that has ballot access like the libertarian party

31:36

allows he runs on a libertarian than the libertarian

31:38

ticket i think the or or

31:41

or she gets on the balance because the fog

31:43

and no labels his raised bunch

31:45

of money to finance insane is cheney

31:49

married again we

31:51

, be on the forward party ticket i

31:54

think they're be real risk their

31:56

and with really we don't know enough of political environmental

31:58

of all depends on what mine's running with his

32:00

approval rating as a democrat as was real risk that

32:02

eight the an anti

32:05

trump conservative could

32:07

such just enough voters in these

32:09

battleground states that are more republican

32:11

than the national average yeah

32:13

in tips i mean who you know humid

32:16

runs out in that scenario like this is not a howard

32:18

schultz or situation this

32:20

is a danger of of of her on the ballot

32:22

everywhere and is a third party candidate

32:24

is that shit like who is a list cheney

32:26

voter it's either like

32:29

, said a conservative republican probably

32:31

college educated from the bush

32:33

was cheney era who just was sick of

32:35

trump trump people are few and far

32:37

between a lot of them have already just crossed over

32:39

to vote for joe biden in the last election

32:42

if not and twenty sixteen and twenty twenty

32:45

seven two that the number of then there's number republican

32:47

or republican few or again

32:49

it's people who now have been voting democrat

32:51

who for the last several elections who were like

32:54

well i'm kind of sick a democrats and i don't

32:56

like trump butler's cheney and that that would pull

32:58

votes away from biden i pre particularly

33:00

worried in states with you know states

33:02

lot more college educated voters that are turning

33:04

blue or like an arizona or

33:06

an georgia like think was cheney on the

33:08

ticket is as a third party in those states

33:11

could really spoil the election for the democrats

33:13

election question is are there red states

33:16

there she just she

33:18

just get on the ballot in some red states that

33:20

a democrat would never win anyway and

33:23

she's on the ballot so she spoils the she

33:25

makes her the trump can't win that state or

33:28

she she has taken a float away from trump and

33:30

like a red or states to spoil the election

33:32

for him and then helps helps the

33:34

democrat that's that's the the like some math

33:37

there that could work and er etter state it's

33:39

hard because the i could probably

33:41

only identify to states

33:43

up the top of my head the

33:45

avatar both what you actually

33:47

i do it three that you want utah's one interesting

33:49

one just because it's a very unique electorate but it would

33:51

probably be it's north carolina and texas

33:54

ah because it's democrats tend to

33:56

win states the battleground states that

33:58

we one in twenty twenty and we need

34:01

to wouldn't twenty twenty four wrong credibly close

34:03

the states we lost we lost my pretty large margin

34:05

so you'd have to really suck up a huge swath

34:08

of voters mean the math in the south

34:10

is really interesting we have a very very large why

34:14

occupation the makes a big you have such a democrats

34:16

but you would have to really have to get like ross perot

34:18

white numbers to correct night an attitude

34:20

of really v to dry as someone's

34:22

when number into the low forties which

34:24

is what ross perot did that created

34:27

the math environment where bill clinton could become president

34:29

with a pretty of rome electoral college marching without coming

34:31

anywhere near getting six percent of the though national

34:34

yeah no i think it's i think it's pretty

34:36

tough dealing , seen his

34:38

primary law says anything about the republican party

34:40

that we didn't already know now i don't

34:43

know i i ever could backfire on the ally for

34:45

a long time and i was very curious if

34:47

you any thoughts on it but it's it is is

34:50

think the ones that you if you look at the

34:52

what all of the primaries that have happened today because

34:54

we're getting kind of to be and here is that you

34:56

can win a republican primary if trump

34:58

is against you when you can not what a republican

35:01

primary if you are against trump that

35:03

it it that is a relatively import that's why brain camp

35:05

wine and liz cheney last

35:08

she was by lot i just think the constituency

35:10

out there in the republican party for candidates

35:12

who want to run specifically against

35:15

trump like you said it's just it's too small it's too

35:17

small

35:18

you know like you said in a state where the chinese or political

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who's new documentary about trump's final days in

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office unprecedented was subpoenaed

40:13

by the january six committee because of how

40:15

much access to the trump family he had

40:17

alex welcome to the point

40:18

then i swear it's nice to have you i'm

40:21

so trump ivanka

40:23

don jr eric jared

40:26

also down for multiple interviews with

40:28

you between sort of like the final

40:31

months of the campaign and couple months

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after trump left office and

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they did so knowing that they had no control

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why do you have you get them to agree to that so

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they were pretty convinced that are going to win

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the election and some of them still think that they want

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our but that they were this is will be a repeat

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the pulse israel wrong and

40:59

he had done genius favorite line was

41:01

to the campaign was let's make liberals

41:03

cry again erica was pretty

41:05

cruel and not that funny not

41:07

bugs a lot of watching the documentary

41:10

a lot of his jokes is terrible really

41:12

, really an

41:14

eighth of a eighth think he he laughs a

41:16

lot his own job dancer and then people

41:19

laugh because he's laughing at things because he

41:22

just a bit more and but i'm i'm in the

41:25

, that they thought that they were going to win

41:27

and also i was

41:29

something that wasn't part of the the

41:32

media i guess right i'm by british guy far

41:34

and and really have any political skyn in the game so

41:37

mine or have this random british

41:39

dude film us win the

41:41

election and election think the third

41:44

was that was i was actually that the british

41:46

accent british mean they accent

41:48

they mean is obsessed with the

41:50

queen the train he's absolutely obsessed

41:52

and the i'm always on every occasion i'm a him he

41:55

was always bring the queen out and i wonder whether

41:57

or not as it out he feels like

41:59

the trump many are like i was i

42:01

i'm sure he day like royal dynastic

42:04

family that's the i'm sure else about the

42:06

simplicity of his brain is just like guy

42:08

with british accent bring up queens exact

42:11

and i thought his got yeah been with eric our series

42:13

guy projects that have you been sas

42:15

the golf course in scotland's access

42:18

or get business on a side so you for sat

42:20

down with trump in december

42:22

twenty december after the last

42:25

war was the state of mind that point

42:27

and do you think he

42:29

actually

42:30

believed he won or did he

42:32

seem like he was full of shit every

42:35

is thirty for the shit but he of their

42:37

without an ios of leave avon or it's

42:40

at resisting was with it is actually really important

42:42

because he

42:43

the bears

42:45

to be so delusional and sylvie

42:48

yeah the present the i says america the incumbent

42:50

that a commander in chief i mean the guy with a fucking

42:52

nuclear football was literally standing by

42:55

in their diplomatic reception room yeah

42:58

while see is literally

43:00

yet reading out of how to be a totalitarian

43:03

know dictator yes we did to find

43:05

brave judges that agree

43:07

with my position rights so yeah

43:10

he convinced himself of the

43:12

lot but i mean just that

43:14

interview it's own right was extraordinary

43:16

i mean i didn't think it was gonna happen i mean this is

43:19

a month off the election he wasn't giving interviews

43:21

to anybody and we're

43:23

outside the white house you know the secret service see

43:25

all the checks and everything we go inside and

43:29

i still don't think you're going to com and then i read or

43:31

the moment i knew he was on his way was when the secret

43:33

service also moving around and

43:35

then i had them say mogul on the move

43:38

yeah at that point it was like a radius

43:40

is actually happening and he sits down and

43:43

it was just an extraordinary experience

43:46

in the sense of oh this is the

43:48

white house's the

43:50

the incumbent president of the i set

43:52

america and as the famous george

43:54

washington painting looking down he

43:58

literally undermine democracy

43:59

and it was just

44:01

the niceties on the second harsher off the ass

44:04

off bgs have held onto a war

44:06

because i was so taken aback by what actually

44:08

happened because a big difference between him doing

44:11

is the the rhetoric other

44:14

campaign

44:15

rally yeah you actually sitting in

44:17

the white house and saying the bullshit he was

44:19

say or that as good as because you

44:21

know there's like a very same as synonymous

44:24

quote that was given to the washington post or

44:26

in the weeks after the election were

44:28

some senior republican officials

44:31

said like just let him have his fun

44:33

would you think he's gonna he's not gonna leave and he's gonna

44:35

leave eventually he sits it's fine just

44:37

let him burn himself out whatever and

44:40

co famously that they're almost didn't happen

44:43

at what point while you are making this documentary

44:45

you start thinking to yourself oh

44:47

shit this could go really badly

44:49

and maybe is gonna try not to we've and things

44:51

could things could could go south

44:54

pretty fast honestly off the interview

44:56

the interview that that that into be really

44:58

was quite extraordinary because he just wouldn't

45:00

stop talking about how

45:03

the election was won by him and

45:05

he wasn't saying why

45:07

he thought he wanted he was actually coming up with remedies

45:10

to show how it

45:13

was stolen from him so he was talking about how

45:15

the georgia officials need to reopen

45:18

the modes to compare the signatures

45:20

and he was saying that the sexiest

45:23

stage and that as governor

45:25

of of georgia work with stupid people because

45:27

a wide agreeing with his position and

45:29

actually really do open

45:31

it up and leave it to the light years the

45:33

state legislature because they agree with him and

45:36

he was saying that we'd find the right judges et cetera so

45:38

it was it if there was no way that that this

45:40

wasn't gonna get more more

45:42

serious as time moves

45:44

dot that was a least that's what i was thinking such

45:47

as you as you him for a second

45:50

time at mara lago few months

45:52

after he left office woozy like that

45:54

is it with a very different personality he

45:56

was much more depressed who's

45:59

he was angry depressed that i met him in the white house he

46:01

was that of angry but quite assertive

46:03

whereas the more lager he was angry

46:06

and depressing recent he was depressed i

46:08

found no one is a told me before he came in

46:10

he was really bad mood because

46:12

he was going through

46:14

withdrawal from not being able

46:16

to use twitter and , actual

46:18

withdrawn actually did that with was that she

46:20

knew that he was gave her withdraw sites

46:23

have an energy it for on wade's

46:25

and i made a big guy anyway but he had visited upon

46:27

way and it was very down and and

46:30

a sex while he walks into monologue

46:33

and is into monologue painting of of him

46:35

from like as as about thirty years ago like

46:37

an oil painting of him and

46:39

and i wanted sir include that in

46:41

the shop but i wasn't sure whether or not they would

46:43

be embarrassed about including

46:46

that was shot we did it anyway and it was so

46:48

happy that was ingratiate himself

46:50

rewards when the my lai mister president and

46:53

he covered ignores man he starts talking about

46:55

like they didn't miss the most beautiful

46:57

floor you've ever seen at my thesis

46:59

is are you having more logo is stunning that

47:02

the flaw in it was just medicine is constant

47:04

constant positive feedback about anything

47:07

exactly is ours does he sits down and

47:09

the whole element of it were doing alleged

47:11

i mean we're doing the yeah the small talk and

47:13

i said last i might we we spoke with at the white

47:15

house and his i'll but as much more beautiful than the last

47:18

i am and how he believes that absolutely

47:20

did it did marla go seem like a safe place

47:23

to keep nuclear secrets of hit having

47:25

it's a members club pay tolls i've

47:27

learned from it was lazy would advocate far

47:29

as secrets i read the security like

47:32

their like their mean the be honest it is the

47:34

secret service occurs you as much less than

47:36

when he said the white house that and as

47:38

just around him really he's actually i mean i was

47:40

able to walk around the place totally

47:42

a that we were sort of left or devices so

47:44

i mean it was not a tools

47:46

secure and

47:48

that one point an interview we were interrupted

47:50

because the members of the public

47:52

the are at this club were making

47:54

noise and some flight tell them to set up

47:57

over yes i mean is is but

47:59

it's so typical

47:59

trump the believe the

48:02

documents belong to him right i mean he's

48:04

just i'll go said you have a seer having spent

48:06

much time with them do have a theory as to why

48:08

he would take classified

48:11

info with him tomorrow him go

48:13

and not just take it with i'm like oh by accident

48:15

but then be asked for it back by

48:17

the government by federal agents and refused

48:19

to give it all back yeah i mean it's because

48:21

his name's on and he thinks it's his of a

48:23

me that he says as simple as us the things

48:25

jump is is that he really is

48:28

that's a very simple quite

48:30

strange

48:32

some guy i mean the other is the head with

48:34

, on this canister exactly i mean the hour

48:36

a day he and a good sense of spam

48:39

how to entertain people in a good sense of television

48:41

and a good sense of what i heard is that

48:43

you how to rile people up but

48:45

i think beyond that is now or there's no substance

48:47

until i mean as as of as him when he's doing the things that

48:49

is quite good amazon as in like he's just

48:51

very is a basic but a

48:53

mean he kept talking about kim jong un know

48:56

the way through these entities and that those

48:58

are that the letters that the had

49:00

between the two of them

49:02

that did it his mind they they are his letters

49:04

and so on the see they should be in his in

49:06

his house you testified before

49:08

the january sixth committee ah

49:11

i'm ah you to get deposition

49:13

they disappeared some footage what was the focus

49:15

of the committee's questions i think

49:17

they were obviously surprised about

49:20

the fact that we have is access and know

49:22

and you about it i mean the

49:24

trump's do about it and the people around him and him

49:26

and it in that atavisms a ridiculous because

49:28

we were baron

49:30

and by president but i think they

49:32

were surprised by the access i think they were interested

49:35

were without the footage that

49:37

we caps injury six which wasn't with the family we

49:39

we just that we were in d c n n

49:41

in about was that horrific day and

49:44

we capture this moment of one of trump's and

49:46

supporters then she been crushed to

49:48

death on the step to the capital i

49:50

, thirty of the responsible for that in

49:53

every single way and

49:55

citing they were very they're into did not

49:57

footage and the

49:59

also what people were doing

50:01

at various times as well in the lead

50:03

up to it and the people around

50:05

them as well as they were their wages didn't answer the behind

50:08

the scenes of what was going on while see way into

50:10

being the president and others was there

50:12

footage that they

50:14

were looking for the didn't make it

50:16

into the final documentary could i watch

50:18

the documentary last night and by the way very

50:21

compelling well done though i kept

50:23

looking for something that was gonna be like a revelation

50:26

in terms of what the january six commission

50:28

is investigating and i didn't maybe i'm i'm very

50:30

in the weeds on everything but i didn't notice anything

50:32

and i was wondering if there is a bunch of footage

50:34

the didn't make it in that the committee found interesting

50:37

so is abundant the is a lot of as you didn't make it

50:39

and i macedonia a said i have family

50:41

value at rb i think block it out they

50:43

have their own

50:44

that narrative and i'm

50:47

good at agenda today wants

50:49

to them look at and now

50:52

, have everything and they'll probably pick

50:54

the pieces of they think they need over there is the did

50:56

you get a sense of lines of inquiry from

50:58

the committee that surprised

51:00

you or were they were heading

51:02

or areas they were looking for that we all haven't seen

51:05

on and prime time over the last several months

51:07

i think you ago i mean i'm very straightforward

51:10

and and i think that it was very that they were very

51:12

to direct their questions and very engaged

51:15

and i it was very clear

51:17

how important this was

51:20

a i mean the make it skype

51:22

going there and sitting down and out

51:25

talking to probably the most consequential be athletic

51:27

investigations as watergate and i'm just like what

51:30

the fuck is care of it

51:32

as though it was that it

51:34

was it that they definitely showed

51:37

the importance of what they were

51:39

doing and and how this is this isn't

51:41

a circus right like this is actually really

51:44

i mean the guy the

51:46

fractured the that the foundations

51:48

of democracy in america and

51:50

this is an important investigations

51:53

of prevent that from ever happening again and you'll find

51:55

the house i think that was that

51:57

was really the key and another their their into

51:59

finding out you mentioned georgia you're also

52:02

expected to testify in the case that the fulton

52:04

county da is is bringing the criminal

52:06

and but i keep getting the subpoenas the whole thing like

52:09

not something you would expected when you started you started

52:11

although i guess if you're doing a documentary about the trump family yeah

52:13

maybe maybe maybe exactly i would probably not you

52:16

expect so yeah i'm what

52:18

do you think i'm what parts of your your

52:20

footage do you think will be important to the grand jury

52:22

in the georgia investigation i know i

52:24

know there was a small part in the documentary

52:26

that mentioned that you replayed the call

52:28

between a rapids burger and

52:30

and trumpeter there are other parts of the footage yeah

52:32

so in the face interview with trump he

52:35

talks about georgia

52:37

a lot and soviets in

52:39

the dark and some of isn't in the dark but there's there's quite

52:41

a bit way he is referring to

52:43

george aaron and try and i think what's interesting

52:46

is that does sound cool actually took

52:48

place almost exactly a month after

52:50

the interview

52:52

though

52:52

you can sort of see

52:54

it wasn't just like us by the moment thing

52:56

i mean he

52:57

there's really convinced that

52:59

the dentist find this is thousand

53:01

votes a month earlier as he been

53:03

plotting that for awhile it seems like that's

53:06

the case that's okay you know i think

53:08

he probably it's it seems from the documentary

53:10

that you set out to do a documentary about the

53:12

trump family dynamics ah

53:14

with the children were you know we've all come to

53:16

know or trump's children as i caricaturist

53:19

that the caricature is that we

53:21

all have of the to trump children to they hold up in real

53:23

life absolutely i mean i think

53:25

you're eric just a difference at my my this

53:27

is is of the my taken all the thrive and eric

53:30

this one does alter stuff i think is as on some

53:32

with my take on your your i

53:34

, how you portrayed eric is like

53:37

you tried to give him a story he doesn't have much of

53:39

a success as the submitter which

53:41

is what everyone big visa was just like yeah he

53:43

sort of interested in business and now even politics

53:46

is that eric black man else and yeah my

53:48

dad's yeah best friends that are vests

53:50

and then you've got don jr who just i who

53:53

just him so hilarious i'm in danger

53:55

but was very larry them in there he

53:57

is political awakening

53:59

the

53:59

having gone say van

54:03

seconds of accurate says it's the with his

54:05

his grandparents and eat

54:08

you is that comparing the how he couldn't wear his

54:10

american flag know jean jacket

54:13

and he was so scared that to happen america

54:15

so that's why he is now this

54:17

it as stones right wing republican

54:19

to prevent the idea of communism

54:21

as i mean it's just so ridiculous that that

54:23

with a say the things we have disrupt trying not

54:26

law and an odyssey when he

54:28

talked about how devastated journalism

54:30

is so bad

54:31

he wrote a book with a paddle i

54:35

, found the don jr stuff very

54:37

interesting somewhat frightening

54:39

because i do think he's sort of the biggest political

54:41

threat in the family in the future and

54:44

i hadn't realized the whole backstory their

54:46

type watch the docks that you know

54:49

ivanka as always have been a favorite child

54:51

trump's i was proud of her because she's polished

54:53

and successful and everything he wants the trump

54:56

brand to be and he was always little bit embarrassed

54:58

by don jr because don jr was

55:01

what we now think of is trump year he's closer

55:03

to the base he loved gun loved

55:05

shooting was more mega than

55:07

any the other children and so don

55:10

jr then uses that during the campaign

55:12

to sort of of outmaneuver

55:15

ivanka as said to try to be the new favorite

55:17

kid and in is

55:20

arguably closer to the mag closer to

55:23

then

55:24

his father or any of the children as

55:26

it it's i mean it's hilarious how they the

55:28

abbey and they all they want is about the tension

55:30

rice i mean queer yeah her and and america

55:32

suffered because of that right i mean that's basically

55:35

what it was right he was a family

55:37

run business web three eldest

55:39

children rules for an avenue for each other the

55:43

yeah i'm and and they're running the country for intensive

55:45

purposes i mean it's extraordinary and and i

55:47

don't think you're at best they just didn't

55:50

understand what the fuck do you mean that was

55:52

they didn't and will find out base

55:54

yeah it was just is to incompetence

55:57

i'm not understanding how

55:59

dangerous

56:00

the rhetoric is when when you

56:02

have such a large platform and

56:05

including the children right they just didn't

56:07

understand what they were doing or or or for did

56:10

on the seventh day know that of the sites apps

56:12

yeah we'll , a particular

56:15

loathing for jared kushner here as

56:18

, , ah you've

56:20

gotta you've got a new book out fantastic

56:22

reviewed the new york times every has already guess

56:25

what was your take on jerry jared

56:28

is it was actually so interesting because

56:31

he came across as somebody

56:33

who genuinely believe

56:36

he had a right to be in

56:38

the position he was

56:39

i just found it so fascinating

56:41

ambience of all the thing is certain

56:43

to come across as right set to

56:45

come across as somebody who who has the audacity

56:48

to think that he

56:50

the love to be in that position that he was

56:52

it

56:53

i mean the fact like the only reason

56:55

he that is because his wife's dad

56:58

won the election i mean that every color lower there

57:00

is no other planet would you hire jared kushner

57:02

for something right sized slice of meme

57:04

but you wanted to succeed at s

57:07

that's it at that would that for me was pretty

57:09

yeah the extraordinary so

57:11

yeah i mean of i'm not a very often i mean

57:13

i was a really i , the

57:15

that that that you're nice dude i mean i know

57:17

he i shook my hand and says bangs or like

57:20

he was just sort of impressively

57:22

unimpressive yeah no i'm yeah

57:24

set of dimples without a demographic was that

57:26

demographic was that as this is a veneer specifically

57:28

got mates arms i cannot imagine

57:31

a scenario

57:32

where donald trump doesn't run again

57:34

even if he of indicted ib i

57:37

think that might make him more likely to run again can

57:39

you imagine a scenario where he doesn't run against this

57:41

i think is deafening and to announce that his in

57:43

iran i just don't think he will end up running

57:45

you don't know me as a series like one is that

57:47

the guy lives in a diet of basically

57:49

diet coke and

57:51

fargo and his doubts

57:53

not mouth is kind of other than to is that trump

57:56

doesn't normally doesn't normally really in

57:58

his life do the same thing again and he

58:00

fails he pivots to something else so

58:02

when businesses fail at the scene

58:04

as as as you meet somebody else so i think

58:07

here it's it's similar situation

58:10

also that the first time round didn't

58:12

think you're going to win right and it was all there

58:15

is oil gave up by just going to meet your tension

58:17

etc but he won the

58:20

idea of be able to maintain that the election

58:22

with started a second time i don't think

58:24

even he thinks is potentially yeah and

58:26

own how i think if he believes ally

58:29

then , made himself believe the lie that he doesn't

58:31

he doesn't think he sailed and twenty twenty and

58:34

so then this is revenge sure

58:36

by the same time i think that he believes

58:38

ally that they that they could do it again right

58:40

and also slips trump

58:43

doesn't understand why people

58:45

don't like him unless he doesn't

58:47

like them fast right so in his my and that's

58:49

the same with everything for he doesn't understand

58:52

why people don't agree with him with respect

58:54

to

58:55

the

58:56

election so i think if he would

58:58

potentially nervous that the same

59:00

thing could happen again i'm is tightly ludicrous the

59:03

got is just extraordinary the guy i

59:05

think we all in some ways assume

59:07

that he is that rational player a

59:09

method of ben

59:11

the rang him to that right like we said of assume that

59:13

we can actually described strategy exactly

59:16

yeah like he really he he's have

59:18

a different even a different i mentioned

59:20

as exactly does not exist in

59:22

this the him his reality whatsoever

59:25

of my last question unassisted you

59:28

know you spent so much time not only with

59:30

trump in the family by at

59:33

events with all of these

59:35

trump fans voters did

59:37

you come away

59:39

with a better understanding of the appeal

59:41

of donald trump to the

59:44

you know however many million americans voted

59:47

for him idiot sure i mean that in the day

59:49

he's the guy that stands up the stage and says

59:51

i'm gonna give you everything you want i mean it's so it's it's

59:53

the simplest way of getting people

59:55

are a is the populist driver demagogue say

59:58

i you have x problem in epics

1:00:00

if you and at that the fact that

1:00:02

it's not possible to fix it or he

1:00:05

, understand or be issues at

1:00:07

air is irrelevant right like i have a problem

1:00:09

i'm your guy to fix it and people

1:00:11

the avoid into there are any good amiss he

1:00:14

it out when he speaks it's totally incoherent

1:00:16

right the actually what he's doing

1:00:18

he's moving from the one

1:00:21

aspect to another aspect based on the reactions

1:00:23

of the crowd is very interesting to see so the

1:00:25

as he talking about same in a kansas

1:00:28

and he'll be doing at at

1:00:30

there in his thought mentioning i know how he moved

1:00:32

the israeli embassy from

1:00:34

tel aviv or jerusalem in there isn't much more accidents

1:00:37

than me at ease and move from that and i we build

1:00:39

the big as long as rights like there's no like

1:00:41

connection whatsoever bus people

1:00:43

but he's very good at knowing what

1:00:45

the crowd one any sort of feeds the

1:00:47

crowd the the rhetoric

1:00:49

that they applaud nuts thought

1:00:51

that that is cocaine essentially yeah and

1:00:53

shamelessness i guess is a powerful as

1:00:55

a powerful weapon apart i mean he he he was

1:00:58

so brilliant using the apparatus of the presidency

1:01:00

i mean it's there were moments actually enable

1:01:02

is into the how it wasn't picked up that he was actually like

1:01:05

kim jong il in the sense of the at we know

1:01:08

they will run after him when he didn't know

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before we go we have to talk

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about the most important and explosive

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story of the week

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video

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doctor oz shopping

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in the produce aisle of wegmans grocery

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store

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that was created an released

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by his own campaign let's take a

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listen

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there's a grocery shopping and wagner's and

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my wife once some vegetables for

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food a day right so is

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, broccoli broccoli do as

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do brothel if them asparagus

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that's four dollars barracks

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or more dogs are ten dollars of this

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of is there then we , some

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guacamole has four dollars more

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more loves also yes also yes

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dollars was be a shortage of salsa

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just as twenty dollars for could retain

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the doesn't could the tequila i mean

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it's outrageous we got joe biden a we

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for this way or

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it's allies are you there that list which

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we have to tell the story of how this became yeah

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this became yeah store and as i

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am here high alija this

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so what what everyone

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the know before we dive into this is the

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video was not new this week this

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video was first released april

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fourth

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twenty twenty two it is now

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august i am told i forget which month it as

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allies or work out of this how did this come debate

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so we were in atlanta during

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our live show and we had a little

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bit of downtime

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on between soundtrack and actually going onstage

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night

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hey baca say what's on t guys and

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gals

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they'd ram and i saw there is a veggie platter

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there and i said something like a can't see one

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of these now without thinking about asparagus

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you guys right what the hell are you talking about

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i can't believe they you hadn't seen the video

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those are the to you and love it then sen

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dan and tommy and then tommy

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lights it's so much that he tweeted that

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that that got traction a bunch of lives

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on twitter started tweeting it

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and and a better mean campaign picked

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it up and then they raise like half a million dollars

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this week to south of this awkward created

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a video

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that was that's too bad how it became

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viral tommy lifted it up again on twitter

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after allies your couldn't believe we hadn't seen

1:07:07

it yet which i hadn't earned and much turns out

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most of the country hadn't yet either

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summers here the story and say kudos

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to eliza for making this moment happened in potentially

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i think of all the things are wiser could have done if we

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if john feather mississippi second

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seat in the senate way smith of

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age of voting rights more

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climate wasn't like he might have saved the planet

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that's one version of service the other version

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of the story is , i have been

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walking around this on this

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earth for five months without knowing

1:07:39

about this video and i am fuck i know about

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it it has the same like how much

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more do we need to be how much closer do

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we need to pay attention to politics it

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is a sickness we are honored to unflagging

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twitter all the time we talk about this for hours

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every week how did week not see this video

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giant this do giant you tube show

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once every two weeks about the crazy republican

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videos that

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produced by allies

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three an alibi not summit randomly

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, only had another as well as

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yours i need find the really are

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in other words you know how many more slots

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hills do we meet in the sense that gives

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us a probably we have too many slots channels there's so

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much as i was free snacks

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and over unaware of that

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video starting my mind because

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we were doing research for

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a political experts yeah shoutout are you to be or

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if you can prove it through email

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or slacker tax i will apologize on

1:08:40

next week's party but up until that you

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are audit raising the far as i'm concerned sammy

1:08:45

way to the video the substance

1:08:47

of the video let's talk about why it

1:08:49

has become such a thing and john said i'm in his

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race half a million dollars at insidious i

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mean my my initial reaction

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just as i'm being honest with

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the hello deboned

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there's spare guess in salsa they're

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broccoli and guacamole that is not

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there's not a crude at a platter

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they lived although there's calling and crew today

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vs vegetate about for me that

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whatever i've been i've been known to college or do they myself

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once annoyance the

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the big collection of shit

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the he got to put on that platter and

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then if necessary to do it in their

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also also folks it's wegmans

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is the grocery store know

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, is wegmans is yes he

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is merged wegmans

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and revenuers to regional grocery stores

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that have any area into one called wegmans

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which is that exact wagner's like know where this guy

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wagner said to have wagner's yes

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the other part of this is that

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you wouldn't caught on tape this was already caught

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up this is that a like i caught you want video moments

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this is we produce this video

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he says wagner's keep keep

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grabs all this shit in the grocery store

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he says it's they put it in a they put

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it

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they cut the video they edit the video

1:10:02

they have him saying wagner's and they tweeted

1:10:04

out a tweet out the video they put it out from

1:10:06

the campaign what a campaign they

1:10:08

are great i went up when a fantastic set

1:10:10

of advisors he's got a meme what

1:10:12

a road where the campaign

1:10:15

you get together and you create the

1:10:17

most devastating negative ad in

1:10:19

recent memory but it turns out it's a doctoral

1:10:21

candidates

1:10:24

it it got so bad

1:10:26

for doctor oz

1:10:27

that he was interviewed or newsmax

1:10:30

news backs about

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this curse it's a gas

1:10:35

and here's what happened here service

1:10:37

i mean to fixate on a but i i just for those

1:10:39

watching in pennsylvania you know how particular

1:10:42

many people are about their groceries what happened

1:10:44

with wegmans and wagner's can

1:10:46

you explain that to

1:10:49

yeah i was exhausted says when

1:10:51

you can pay eighty hours a day of

1:10:53

the i've gotten my kids' names wrong as well i

1:10:55

don't think that's a measure of someone's

1:10:58

ability to lead commonwealth

1:11:00

i mean can we invoke a slaughter rule

1:11:02

here at work this was

1:11:05

, bad it was gonna get a

1:11:08

raise your sir during grilled or newsmax

1:11:11

about zero the grocery

1:11:13

store video that your campaign without new like sometimes

1:11:15

they forget my kids miss

1:11:18

it's truly a like he

1:11:20

seems like he has never been in a grocery store

1:11:22

before like he like an alien

1:11:25

for other planets who all they learned

1:11:27

about human civilization was from watching

1:11:29

bravo less receptive

1:11:31

to stay he

1:11:34

is a religion it's i love

1:11:36

at low so gray of got our way i'm a store

1:11:38

hand people are going to visit the people

1:11:40

are going to have a great time looking back on listening

1:11:43

to this episode of goofy and off i

1:11:45

tweets and but then at that point like

1:11:47

i guess politics is completely broken and nothing

1:11:49

nothing matters and he must attend he still

1:11:51

win this race the quarterly

1:11:53

of course you can we have to say that just

1:11:55

so that we can put this version of clip out

1:11:58

after everyone johnson's what happened the free magneto

1:12:00

professor of a horde of course each

1:12:02

ten with

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the

1:12:05

really

1:12:06

who knows by is he running is

1:12:08

he running one of the worst campaigns

1:12:10

i have seen in all

1:12:13

my years in politics absolutely

1:12:16

yes yes he is definitely

1:12:18

running a terrible campaign

1:12:21

he is a weird weird

1:12:23

man it's very possible his campaign

1:12:25

seats

1:12:26

maybe most there may be more as an

1:12:28

example that he got into twitter fight just

1:12:31

last night wednesday night with john futterman over

1:12:33

over how many homes he owns

1:12:36

and someone said that he owns ten homes and

1:12:38

and doctor oz gets on twitter any goes no no

1:12:41

two homes ten properties

1:12:45

and so i did some research leader that what

1:12:47

you know how you tweeted it if you have

1:12:49

that have put it in a tweet you hit the tweet but minute

1:12:51

without marijuana you then property he

1:12:53

probably didn't sweet that like that was us actor

1:12:55

oscar this was this designs

1:12:58

they had to punch back because he like quote

1:13:00

tweeted john federer mad he also attacked but i'm

1:13:02

in for a living with his parents for a while

1:13:04

because if you're not

1:13:06

the out of state know you know you're somehow a failure which

1:13:08

is not emphatically good message had any state government

1:13:10

living with his parents while he was mayor of

1:13:12

a small town in ten having a are like

1:13:15

a very low salary so his parents helped

1:13:17

him a hustler think that the out to the public service

1:13:19

yeah that was a do it so like that like

1:13:21

that sweet was unsure site written by

1:13:23

signed off on by a wide array of

1:13:25

people who probably make a lot of money as political consultants

1:13:28

in social media types but the think

1:13:30

it's awesome it's iowa has like nine properties

1:13:32

nine can see like an investor and like

1:13:35

some

1:13:35

shopping malls somewhere notes

1:13:38

he owns ten homes

1:13:41

the doesn't mean lives in two of them and it's really

1:13:44

an open question of one of the to was referring to was

1:13:46

actually the apartment in pennsylvania in the town

1:13:48

whose name he keeps forgetting says he's never really been

1:13:51

there allied

1:13:54

you could you do as a favor and have we ever

1:13:57

promo video like that could you in there

1:13:59

the team and social media team does not not

1:14:02

put it out now accountable accept me

1:14:04

and will i will say the filed are corrupt

1:14:06

and for another and i saw this

1:14:08

i realized i had a they get out i think

1:14:10

that dans when i think that those with their people and

1:14:12

campaign that might actually hate him that's

1:14:15

true there a could have been infiltrated by some

1:14:17

democrats maybe it's like a reverse

1:14:20

project veritas kind of thing anyway

1:14:25

so y'all enjoy that that was fun those

1:14:27

funds are paid your life paid for i'm

1:14:29

you know helping the sediment campaign and potentially

1:14:32

saving the country die and and tommy

1:14:34

for tweeting it's thanks alex holder

1:14:36

for joining the pod today for talking about

1:14:38

his documentary everyone go check it out unprecedented

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and everyone have and great weekend enjoy your

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