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with that if you listen to the show for any period

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of time and this this week we

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have a Jeopardy

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game from hacker alias quick stir and He

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has written us a letter To

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go along with it to introduce This

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he says hello again P1P Back

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with another Jeopardy quiz. This one covers

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video game industry laws and regulations intellectual

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property litigation and

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other related topics enjoy

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Which all right, well, I mean he can

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say enjoy We can't say it quite yet because we

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don't know if we're gonna enjoy it But

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based on the Jeopardy quizzes that quick stir has

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sent in I think we will enjoy it even

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if we're totally terrible at it

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I Could

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say that much it'll be in a right All

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right, so we're gonna do this Excuse

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me. Oh my You

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okay, I'm okay. Okay, I'm gonna do

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this in what you've been playing order But

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first of all, we have to decide

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upon a team name the

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Ben stones The

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Ben stones, what is that? What

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is that? Ben stone was the

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executive district attorney

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on law and order Played

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by Michael Moriarty. Oh Okay

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Well, then we're gonna call ourselves the Ben

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stones. I suppose that just makes

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sense All

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right for this Jeopardy quiz the Categories

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are copyright trademarks

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patents government

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and self-regulation. Ooh,

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we are going in what you've been playing order

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so that means I'm first. I'll

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go copyright for 100. This Nintendo character

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known for copying is named

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after the lawyer who successfully defended

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the company against Universal's claim

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that Donkey Kong copied King Kong.

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As of course Kirby. That

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is Kirby. Right.

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Yep. Who

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is Kirby? Yep. Is correct. That

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lawyer's name? Bruno

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Kirby. Later

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became an actor. Famous Hollywood actor.

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Noted. Hollywood actor

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Bruno Kirby. Yeah.

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A real legal eagle. That

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one. Jesus.

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My turn. This

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controller features patented in 1985 won Nintendo an

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Emmy Award from the

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National Academy of Television Arts and

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Sciences. That was my thought. Controller

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feature. D-pad or pause? Like

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the pause button. It

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could be either. No. I'm assuming it's

3:22

D-pad. D-pad. Alright

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we're going to D-pad. What

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is the D-pad? Correct.

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Two points. Let's

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see what self-regulation is for 100 please.

3:35

It was the

3:38

first game to be age rated by

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Sega's rating count. The Genesis

3:42

version was rated MA-13 while the

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later Sega CD version which

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is uncensored by default was

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rated MA-17. That's right. Mortal Kombat.

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We all know that is of

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course. Mortal Kombat. Mortal

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Kombat! What

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is Mortal Kombat is right? Good

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times. Good times to be Genesis owners. That's

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a good point. That's pretty good actually. There you

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go. Okay. Let's

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go to trademarks for 100. This

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system was renamed for

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North America due to a trademark conflict,

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though David Rosen

4:34

claims it was because he wanted to

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signify a new beginning for the company.

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It's the Mega Drive. It's the Nintendo start

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over. Start over! The Genesis Mega

4:43

Drive, yes. 400 points. Let's do self-regulation for

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200. The UK's

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Advertising Standards Authority told the makers

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of this $450 million crowd-funded project

5:03

to clearly indicate that concept

5:05

ships being sold for real

5:07

money are not yet playable. That

5:10

would be Star Citizen. Yeah.

5:13

Star Citizen. I have the single-player

5:16

mode that I paid for, however

5:19

many years ago. Oh man. Yeah.

5:22

Whatever happened... We're at 600 points. Whatever

5:25

happened to that new game by

5:27

the two guys from Andromeda?

5:30

It's still not done. I don't know when

5:32

the last update was. I should go look that up. Did you ever

5:34

run one of that? I did back that. Yep. You

5:37

did? Oh man. That's too

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bad. It

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had some terrible life issues,

5:44

but they still have just...yeah, anyway. Let's

5:47

see what the government has to

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say. For 100... Oh. These

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governments have told kids to say, ah, so they're living in

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the house. Visa the violent video

6:01

games when he signed the

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California law in 2005 banning

6:06

sales to minors Supreme

6:08

Court struck it down in 2011 Just

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about even sure I

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Know how to Schwarzenegger Most

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definitely I have Arnold

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Schwarzenegger signature on my master's degree, which

6:32

I love That's

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excellent that made it all worthwhile you

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should frame it along with a copy of predator

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on DVD It's

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obviously free but I should obviously Like

6:55

DVD multi-packs where it's we got

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like predator and running man and

6:59

like eraser Okay,

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all right there were trademarks for 200

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Microsoft trademarked its game pass tagline

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discover your next favorite game after

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a competitor used the

7:23

same phrase for

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this on-demand service Oh

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That is PS now is it Yeah,

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okay, I'm not doubting you I just I did

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not know this sure I think

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it's PS now Okay PlayStation

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now PlayStation. Oh Yeah

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And you're right, right Alrighty, we're

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at 900 points. Let's do government for 200 China

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requires publishers to disclose the odds

7:54

of rewards from these surprise

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mechanics as EA calls

7:59

them Well, Belgium has outright banned

8:01

the virtual items. That would be gotcha.

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I would like to own a friend.

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No, make

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your call. Let me call Ethan

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here. I bet he probably knows this. Hold

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on a second. That's

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a loot box. I prefer to buy everything in store.

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If I can, it's just easier. There it is. It

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is absolutely not easier. Especially

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not in the last two years. It's

8:27

gotcha mechanics. Yeah. Yeah. CJ,

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you are very quiet. Loot boxes. Shit. We

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got that. Am I quiet? Yeah. You're very quiet.

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I said loot boxes. CJ

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said gotcha mechanics. I know. I'm

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going to give it to us anyway. No, you're cheating.

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Too bad. You're also

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very quiet. Greg's not lying. 1100 points. You

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are very quiet. Can I, how

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about now? Maybe get closer to the microphone.

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Is that better? Any better? Yeah, that is

8:53

much better. Yeah. Okay, good. I'll stay right

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here. Don't mind. Good.

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I'm leaning in. 1100 ill-gotten points.

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No, we got that. Come on. Don't push

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it me. I

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hope you have enough room for my fist. I'm

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going to ramen in your stomach. That's

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a goddamn spine. Yeah. That

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was good. I have all those stupid Arnold's

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sorts of those stupid prank calls. For

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some reason. We listened to so many of

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those. The two. Yeah. Yes.

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Those always cracked me up. I mean, first

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is like nutty as like the whole like, well,

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I asked you a bunch of questions. It was

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always those little like, yeah. Yes.

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Yeah. And

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what does he do? And

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what does he do? Uh,

9:56

that and the Miss Cleo one. I kind of, kind of

9:58

find those. those

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so I should add. Are

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we at me? Yeah.

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Let's do copyright for two.

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Cheaters prospered when a ruling in

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favor of this US company over

10:14

Nintendo established that modifying

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a game for personal use

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does not constitute copyright infringement.

10:21

Is this Galoob? Is

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this Galoob? Yeah, it's Game Genie. Is this game for

10:26

the game genie?

10:28

Yeah. Okay. Galoob.

10:32

It is Galoob. I imported

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from Canada. Back

10:38

in the day because they were allowed to sell it

10:40

up here. I don't think... was it Galoob that released

10:42

it here though? No. Was it Comerica

10:45

up there? Yes, it was Comerica. Yeah. All

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right. I'm gonna

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go copyright for three. Silicon

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Knights was ordered to recall and destroy

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copies of this 2008 release for having

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plagiarized code from Epic's

11:02

Unreal Engine in 2019. Microsoft

11:04

re-released it online for free.

11:07

It's X-Men, isn't it?

11:09

No. No? What

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was it? Too Human. Really?

11:14

They were called Too Human? I thought

11:17

they were called the X-Men game that they did.

11:19

I think you're right. But I

11:21

was supposed to be... It was the X-Men

11:23

game but it wasn't... but

11:26

the 2019 re-releasing it for free,

11:28

that is

11:31

Too Human. Yeah,

11:33

I mean I'm sure you're right. So

11:38

what are we saying? Silicon Knights is kind of a... somebody

11:41

should do a book about that. Yeah, that's

11:43

kind of a shit show. Yeah.

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I'm willing to go Too Human. Let's

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go Too Human then. Too

11:52

Human. Yeah. But I think it is X-Men that

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was pulled from shelves. That's

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why I thought... Yeah. Okay,

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I like to human it's the funniest comedy

12:04

video game ever Game

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so good. Anyway, go. I'm

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trying to before we get into this. I'm

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trying to figure out So

12:18

the original release date for the two

12:20

guys space venture was February 2013 Oh

12:23

Wow, which I guess oh,

12:25

I'm guessing would put the

12:28

actual Campaign at

12:30

2012, right? And

12:34

the last time the update was November 2021 So

12:38

was it relatively recent updates?

12:40

I guess

12:44

and although I forget the

12:48

update before that was February 2021 and Then

12:52

August 2020. Anyway We're

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at 1600 points. Let's do self-regulation

12:57

for 300 Okay

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It's the only mainline Mario game

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to receive an ESRB rating of

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e10 plus instead of e The

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plumbers and nipples are apparently

13:12

not for everyone Was

13:16

that Odyssey That

13:19

was that was that was the one where they made a big

13:21

deal that like there was that screenshot of

13:23

Mario running out around without a shirt You

13:27

can see a little little plumber nips summer

13:30

nips Odyssey. Yeah, whoa Mario

13:34

Odyssey 1900

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points Let's

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do patents for two. All right

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Following a settlement between Sony and

13:45

immersion over patent infringement The

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Dual Shock 3 added back

13:50

this feature that was missing from

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the six axis Rumble,

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that's the square button Mm-hmm

13:59

force feedback AKA Rumble. There

14:03

you go. Get ready to rumble. Rumble,

14:06

vibration, force feedback, etc. Ta-da!

14:10

Sexy! Yeah,

14:12

we're 2,100 points. Alright,

14:14

let's do self-regulation for 4. Alright.

14:18

To avoid a higher PEGI rating due to simulated gambling, slot

14:21

machines were disabled in the European

14:23

release of this 2009 Pokémon game

14:25

that features Uretina on the cover.

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Phil? Yes?

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Don't screw this up. 2009

14:34

has to be like Pokémon Black or White or Black

14:36

2 or White 2. Umm... Uh-oh.

14:43

I'm trying. I don't remember. I

14:49

don't remember. I'm gonna say Pokémon

14:51

Black or Black and White. That's

14:53

probably correct. Maybe. Shall

14:58

we? Shall we? Platinum.

15:03

Sorry. Not plus. 17.8

15:07

points. What do you

15:10

mean? You are so sleazy. Alright,

15:13

let's do trademarks. Come

15:15

on. Trademarked for 300.

15:19

Nintendo trademarked the phrase, Universal used

15:21

it as a tagline for this

15:23

2010 movie based on a Canadian

15:25

graphic novel series. It'd be Scott Pilgrim, right?

15:29

Scott Pilgrim versus the world has to be. Such

15:33

a God-Hooker versus the world. Great

15:35

movie. My daughter even likes

15:37

that movie. My kids love that

15:40

movie too. Great movie. Phil?

15:45

Let's do the government for 3. Early

15:47

adopters of this system could choose to receive either

15:50

$25 or

15:53

a game bundle after the

15:55

Federal Trade Commission charged Sony

15:57

with falsely advertising its feature.

16:00

is. Ah yes.

16:03

Isn't this the PS3? They

16:06

said that you could put a different OS on

16:08

it. Was

16:12

it the Linux thing? Or was it Linux?

16:14

Yeah, it was Linux. Yeah. Because they took

16:16

the feature away, right? I believe so. Because

16:19

they moved there and then they removed it.

16:22

Yeah. I'm pretty sure

16:24

it's PS3. Oh! The Vita!

16:26

Really? What was the... Ah, the advertising. I'll

16:33

have to look that up. Yeah, I

16:35

don't remember that. Yeah, I do not remember that either.

16:38

I kept that wrong. Alright, yeah,

16:40

I'm a

16:43

1700. It's me again. Yeah. Okay, patents

16:48

for three. This game's

16:50

similarities to Crazy Taxi led

16:52

to Fox Interactive settling with

16:55

Sega after the latter sued for infringement of

16:57

its patent on features such as a driving

17:00

direction arrow. Doh!

17:02

Is that Simpson's hit

17:04

and run or Simpson's road

17:06

rage? Road rage. That was the one.

17:09

Yeah. Road rage. Hit and run doesn't

17:11

have an arrow. Road rage. Which makes

17:13

it not as good. Well, that... Yeah,

17:17

hit and run is the GTA clone.

17:20

Road rage is the Crazy Taxi clone.

17:23

Gotcha. Road rage. Both

17:26

good games, by the way. Road rage is

17:28

correct. I knew that without the doe clue

17:30

at the end. Yeah. For

17:32

the record. Did we get our... Yeah, we got our

17:34

points back. We did. You're

17:38

up. My turn? Oh, sorry. Let's

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do trademarks before. King's

17:44

attempt to trademark the word

17:46

candy was unsuccessful, but

17:48

the company did secure the rights to this other

17:50

word used in more than a

17:53

dozen of its game's titles. I

17:57

have no idea. Maybe. No,

17:59

classic clans. is a supercell. Oh

18:01

is that supercell? Alright.

18:05

Crush? I

18:08

guess yeah I mean crush crush. That was the other

18:10

word. Right? Who's the other word? The other word. The

18:13

word crush? They may

18:16

have. Are there variants

18:18

of crush? Are there like candy crush

18:20

and vegetable crush and

18:24

orange crush? I

18:27

haven't followed mobile games enough to know if they've

18:29

really used crush in. I know right. No idea.

18:31

But I reckon all you could think of. Crush makes sense to

18:34

me. Crush makes sense. Saga.

18:37

Saga. Saga. That's weird.

18:39

That is weird.

18:42

Alright. Got it. I'm going to 1600

18:44

points. Bill.

18:47

Let's do copyright 4. This

18:51

company was held liable for creating

18:53

an unauthorized replica of the NES

18:56

lockout chip after having

18:58

tricked the US Copyright Office

19:00

into giving up the source

19:02

code. That's Tengen. Yeah Tengen

19:04

slash Atari. AKA Atari Games.

19:07

Oh really? Okay. Atari,

19:10

Tengen. Yeah they were pretty sleazy about

19:12

that stuff. They were the

19:15

scrappy underdog in that whole fight but they kind

19:17

of deserved what they got in a lot of

19:19

ways. We're

19:21

2000 points again. Alright

19:23

copyright for 5. A

19:27

court ruled that Fair Use allowed

19:29

this publisher known for stunning dot

19:31

dot dot original dot dot dot

19:34

software to reverse engineer

19:36

the Genesis and release on licensed games

19:38

for the system. It has to be

19:40

Accolade. Accolade. Oh yeah yeah. That

19:44

climbs back to the top of the

19:46

yard. Accolade is correct.

19:48

There it is. 2500 points.

19:52

Alright let's do government for 4.

19:57

During the 1993 Senate hearings on violence

19:59

and video games this light gun was

20:02

brandished multiple times by senators

20:04

Joe Lieberman and Herbert Cole in

20:06

admonishment of the industry that's the

20:08

just the justifier just to fire

20:10

yeah yeah the

20:13

justifier that's the one by Konami

20:15

yep 2900 points and

20:17

we are officially not we

20:20

can't lose no yeah

20:24

we're back to me right yeah let's do

20:27

patents for for Namco's

20:29

patent on loading screen minigames was

20:32

first used for the ps1 port

20:34

of Ridge Racer which

20:36

runs this classic arcade title upon

20:38

startup while the main game loads

20:40

that's Galaga Galaga Galaga remember was

20:42

Galaga Galaxian wait Galaga oh wait

20:44

was it Galaga or was it

20:46

Galaga okay it's Galaxian of course

20:48

wow my goodness in

20:51

is dim boy what is what's

21:04

going on upstairs fin is having a time

21:06

with I don't know roblox or minecraft but

21:08

nothing's got him in the in a mood

21:11

I had to help Charlotte this

21:14

morning install mods to minecraft no

21:16

job addition oh and that was uh

21:19

that was fun

21:21

now it's not no

21:23

it is not because you're like you have to

21:25

install these launchers and it's like who's

21:28

even in control of these I know right yeah sketchy

21:33

a hell it's very sketchy

21:35

yeah but she really wanted some of

21:37

these mods so what are you gonna do all

21:39

right all right trademarks

21:41

for five a daikatana

21:45

ad featuring the tagline John

21:48

Romero is about to make you his bitch

21:55

also included this

21:57

three-word phrase trademark

22:00

by ion storm oh

22:03

my god that would be suck it down was

22:07

it get down pretty sure

22:09

the different time

22:13

suck it down there it is right 3000

22:16

bad means nice how

22:18

right so who knows

22:21

that Mike does Microsoft now on that

22:23

that's why blinks the

22:25

time super three as a subtitle

22:28

suck it down all right

22:30

self-regulation for 500

22:33

that is that's not the right one CJ that's government

22:35

for 500 but anyway okay there

22:37

we go this 32 export and launch

22:40

title was the first game ever to

22:42

receive an ESRB rating of M speaking

22:44

of John Romero that'd be doom oh

22:49

thank doom doom

22:52

indeed 500 points Wow oh

22:55

look of the Jaguar version what's

22:57

that what I think I know it's not

23:00

thinking of something else oh

23:02

let's do government for five and

23:04

CJ was so keen on clicking that one

23:07

of two games one made

23:09

by rockstar and the other by Raven software

23:12

that have been legally classified in

23:15

Canada as our rated films

23:17

prohibiting their sale to anyone

23:19

under 18 manhunt that

23:22

makes sense yep

23:25

there you go okay manhunt

23:29

or soldier of fortune

23:31

boom yeah so that was a thing where

23:34

manhunt was so violent obviously

23:37

there's no law down in the states too

23:39

but no law here that the ESRB you

23:41

can refuse sale to anyone based on an

23:44

ESRB rating by law but there is or

23:47

was and I think still is a law in the books that

23:49

you can refuse sale or admission

23:53

of minors to our rated films oh wow the way

23:55

they got around it was they slapped in our rating

23:57

on it interesting Yeah

24:01

All right patent work for 500 4000

24:05

points so we can't lose. Oh Absolutely

24:07

not. Yeah Shigeru

24:10

Miyamoto is the primary inventor of

24:12

this Namco titles patented asynchronous multiplayer

24:14

concept in which one player plays

24:17

on a handheld While

24:19

others play on the TV, that's a pac-man

24:21

game isn't this is packing versus? of This

24:27

Namco title yes, we're trying to guess the title of

24:29

game right never has Pac-man

24:34

versus He

24:37

is the primary inventor based on four swords

24:41

Yeah, no just of a

24:43

magnet versus yeah, no

24:45

concept Okay,

24:47

yeah Let's read

24:50

the question here the primary inventor

24:52

of this named a synchronous multiplayer

24:54

concept So I assumed that it

24:56

was based on Force

24:59

like the fact that they use the four game boys

25:01

for four swords It's kind

25:03

of no I don't know it though. Okay. No, I

25:05

don't think it's related I think

25:07

they were I think I'm going to tend to were working

25:09

together developed

25:12

that game So

25:14

for the Vita the settlements stem

25:16

from charges that Sony deceived consumers

25:18

with false advertising claims Yeah

25:21

FTC Claims

25:24

that early vd ads falsely advertise the

25:26

systems remote play cross-platform and cross-save features

25:28

Oh Sony claimed for example that PS

25:30

Vita users could pause any ps3 game

25:33

at any time and Continue to

25:35

play the game on their PS Vita from where they

25:37

left off Oh However was

25:39

only available for a few ps3 games

25:41

and the policy of capability described in

25:43

the ads very significant Significantly from game

25:45

to game for example with respect to

25:47

MLB 12 Consumers could only save

25:49

the game to the PS Vita after finishing the

25:52

entire nine inning game on their ps3 in

25:54

addition Sony failed to inform Consumers that to

25:56

use this feature Purchasers had to

25:58

buy two versions of the game the same

26:00

game. There it is. Yeah, it's

26:03

also misrepresented the 3G network capabilities of

26:05

the Vita by implying they could be

26:07

used for real-time multiplayer gaming. Right,

26:10

and they could not. Yeah. There you go.

26:14

There it is. That's a good time. I

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do remember that now, but I absolutely...

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Yeah, I completely forgotten about

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that. Yeah. Alrighty,

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well, I want to thank Hacker

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alias Krikster for that Jeopardy game.

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Mmm, good times. That was

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pretty fun stuff. Flexing

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our legal muscle there, or something

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like that. If

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you, dear listener, have an idea

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for a game that we could

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play on the aftershow, you can

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email that to [email protected], and

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maybe we'll play your game on the air. It's

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a good chance that we won't

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play your game on the air, just based

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on the number of games that we get.

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We don't normally play them off air, so...

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No, no. That would be weird. Yeah, it

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would be weird. Yeah, that would be a little weird.

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But thank you again for your

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support of our show. You make all

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of this fun stuff possible, and

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I hope that you are doing well.

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Hope your family, friends, loved ones are

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all safe and well in this crazy,

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crazy time, and

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we'll talk at you again next week. Bye-bye.

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Bye-bye. Yeah, bye-bye.