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Hi, everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine

1:26

and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher.

1:28

And I'm in Miami, Kara. I'm in Michigan.

1:31

I'm at the University of Michigan in Ann

1:34

Arbor. It is quite freezing here.

1:36

Wolverines, go blue, go blue. I'm

1:38

going blue because it's so cold here. I am

1:40

having such a lovely time. My son is here,

1:42

as you know, Alex, who you got to come

1:45

here. You are the reason he is here. It's

1:47

a wonderful university. It is. It's a

1:49

wonderful university. It's a wonderful university.

1:51

It's actually one

1:53

of the most applied to schools in the world.

1:55

It's really shocking. I don't know if

1:57

you read the most applied to schools. UC San Diego.

2:00

in UC Santa Barbara. UCLA is number one,

2:02

which didn't surprise me, but Michigan's right up

2:04

there. I went to visit his frat. I

2:06

went into the frat, Scott, and it was

2:08

very sticky. The entire place was very sticky.

2:11

He's an alpha delta phi. Kara

2:13

Swisher in a fraternity.

2:15

I know. Living with

2:17

dogs. Literally, like, the

2:20

sun could have full eclipse of

2:22

the moon. It's like, I

2:24

can't even imagine that. It was

2:26

sticky. It was sticky. Especially you

2:29

walk in with white Lebron. It

2:31

looks like Ricardo Montalblon and Urve

2:34

Villachez. Yes, you see that picture.

2:38

Yeah, it's very nice. The whole thing. But

2:40

it was sticky. I would say so. The

2:42

frat and the frat guys were fratting. They

2:44

weren't fratting it up, but they were in

2:47

there being guys. And the whole place, they

2:49

had just had a party for St. Patrick's

2:51

Day. And literally, the stickiness is still sticking

2:53

to my shoes right now. Yeah, it's beer.

2:55

It's called beer. And whatever. Well,

2:57

anyway, it's really lovely here. I'm super excited.

3:00

And I did a student thing this morning,

3:02

and they were great. So smart, as

3:04

I said. But one of the favorite things, and

3:06

I have to call up this woman, Shawn from

3:08

St. Joseph, Minnesota. She's the mother of a GM

3:10

exec who came. And I got

3:12

to tell you, she's our biggest fan. I said,

3:14

do you mind Scott's penis jokes? And she goes,

3:16

ah, I have three boys. And she's fantastic. She

3:18

knows all the shows. She says she learns a

3:21

lot. She's retired now. But

3:24

she's fantastic. And I have to give a call out

3:26

to Shawn of St. Joseph, Michigan. She

3:30

loves Scott from North of the Galloway. It's an art

3:32

form. And for any young person, especially a young attractive

3:34

person that wants to learn more about dick jokes, I'll

3:36

help you on the hard parts. Anyway,

3:39

we have a lot to do today, though,

3:41

besides talking about fantastic Michigan. But

3:43

the Supreme Court's latest social media ruling is

3:45

a big change coming to the real estate

3:47

market, something you've talked about. And we'll chat

3:50

with a friend of Pivot, Dana R. Fisher,

3:52

about her new book, Saving Ourselves from Climate

3:54

Shocks to Climate Action. She'll tell us why

3:56

she's an apocalyptic optimist. Oh, dear. Oh,

3:58

my goodness. Something young people brought up

4:01

a lot on my tour so far is about climate

4:03

change tech. We should get into it a

4:05

lot. But first, Scott, we promised our

4:07

listeners last week that we'd discuss your

4:09

ketamine journey. Everyone is asking.

4:11

They couldn't believe we waited last week. People

4:14

have been asking me a lot. So give us

4:16

your ketamine journey and please roll it out for

4:19

us. So just to set

4:21

it up, a friend

4:23

of mine invested in ketamine clinics. And for me, it was

4:25

like burning man. I always wanted to do it and I

4:27

was chickened out. Many people

4:29

are chickened. Yeah. And my

4:31

friend invested in a clinic and he set it up and

4:33

he made it seamless for me in Austin and you walk

4:35

in and everyone's got their shoes off. It's a very nice

4:37

vibe. And

4:40

it was actually quite nice. You

4:42

have a person in this kind of this love

4:45

room with couches and pillows that's very comfortable and

4:47

they give you a weighted blanket. And

4:50

then the doctor who talked to me, they

4:52

did a pre-screening to make sure you shouldn't

4:54

do it if you have any schizophrenia in

4:56

your family or if you're feeling especially anxious

4:58

or paranoid, which for me is called Tuesday.

5:01

I know, exactly. I was like, whoa, hold on.

5:03

Stop sign, stop sign. I said, red light. All

5:08

of those things, there was nothing out of the normal. And

5:11

you go into a room that feels like the

5:13

coolest den where you'd hang out and smoke a

5:15

lot of pot at home. It

5:17

feels like a room in a rich person's house who's

5:20

very in the marijuana. That's right.

5:23

And the thing that initially struck me was the

5:25

doctor came in, we all held hands and prayed,

5:27

which I actually found quite comforting. Wow. To

5:30

God or? I don't know exactly

5:32

who was on the other end of that. I'm not

5:34

sure if anyone was listening, but it

5:36

was nice to be in the company of

5:38

other people holding hands and hoping to get

5:40

out. Okay, a little communion. A little communion.

5:42

And then she gives you an injection and

5:44

you get on an elevator up or out.

5:46

And the way I would describe

5:48

it is that they use the term disassociated for

5:51

these drugs. And that is you do, in fact,

5:53

your consciousness, your thoughts, leave

5:55

your body. Your body feels fine.

5:57

It feels very heavy. You

5:59

can't really. move, you have trouble, I had

6:01

trouble articulating words, but

6:04

you immediately, your consciousness sort of leaves

6:06

your body. Quickly. How quickly?

6:09

Within 30 or 60 seconds, you are,

6:11

you feel very relaxed, an initial sensation

6:14

of relaxation. It

6:16

does reduce your anxiety, but then you,

6:18

your elevator up pretty fast. You're Willy

6:20

Wonka in the, in the, in the

6:22

elevator going about the speed of light.

6:26

Except I wouldn't describe it as you're traveling.

6:28

I would describe it as your consciousness leaves

6:30

your body and then space starts flying around

6:32

you and surround. And

6:34

the things that are on your consciousness begin,

6:37

you know, I think that the things that

6:39

are important or at least in your mind

6:41

start coming into what I call 4K

6:45

high definition, unavoidable,

6:49

very visual view. So

6:51

me. It just visually. It's just me,

6:53

pictures of me everywhere. But go ahead.

6:55

That's right. That's right. And

6:57

Walt Mossberg, unusual. But

7:01

these things come into very crystal

7:03

clear view. And

7:06

so I'll give you what I'll call the downsides and I'll

7:08

give you the upsides. The downsides

7:11

are some things I was anxious about in that

7:13

moment kept popping up. And I knew even in

7:15

the moment that they weren't

7:17

that important. Can you give me

7:19

specifics or not? Or is that too personal? I

7:21

had had, I had been what I

7:23

felt like less kind to somebody

7:26

or I said some stupid stuff and I felt bad

7:28

about it. And it just kept

7:30

popping up. And I say a lot of

7:32

dumb, unkind things on a regular

7:34

basis and trying to be funny or

7:36

provocative. And it just kept coming up. And

7:39

so, you know, I waited till the Academy in

7:41

Wardard and I called them and apologized. But

7:44

if I'd done my trip in two weeks, I don't think it would have

7:46

come up. So your anxieties at the

7:48

moment do come up, which is a bad thing. The

7:51

other bad thing is that if you have a

7:53

doctor who recommends it because of trauma or they

7:55

feel it would help you with your depression, then

7:57

by all means, I would say. suggest

8:00

taking medical advice, but if

8:02

you are not good at drugs, and what do I mean

8:04

by that? I have done enough

8:06

drugs that I have been way too high a

8:09

couple times, and it's a terrible experience to feel

8:11

way too high and out of control, but

8:14

you always get through it. But

8:16

without that confidence of knowing you're going to

8:18

get through it, I would absolutely

8:20

not do this. Oh,

8:22

so mindfuck if you don't take, I shouldn't do it, in

8:25

other words, because I've never taken anything. Oh, I would not

8:27

recommend it to any. I was thinking about you, I was

8:29

thinking about my wife, which is a little odd, but I

8:32

would not recommend it for you, because

8:35

there are moments, and I'm not, I don't want

8:37

to say there are moments where it's terrifying, that's

8:40

a strong, there are moments that are very scary,

8:42

that if you could, you'd be like, I want

8:44

off this roller coaster. But

8:47

your consciousness, your consciousness separates from

8:49

you, and you're just

8:51

looking at your consciousness and your perception of

8:53

things, and the universe starts flying by you.

8:56

And what I would say is that the

8:59

upside is it's very

9:01

clarifying and cementing things that are important

9:04

to you. So I had these incredibly,

9:09

incredibly crystal

9:12

clear, unimaginably

9:14

sharp images

9:16

in 3D all around me of

9:18

these two favorite pictures I have of

9:20

my boys. And

9:23

you're thinking about your relationship with them

9:25

and how deep it is, but

9:27

it goes exponentially deeper.

9:31

And you sort of like, I mean, very obvious stuff,

9:33

you know your purpose is to love your children, but

9:36

you start recognizing that

9:38

this is everything

9:40

for me, like this is who I am.

9:43

So clarifying is important, it came to the

9:45

forefront. Clarity or clarification and

9:47

cementing is how I would describe

9:49

the upside of it. And I

9:51

saw death, but in a good way, I think

9:53

about death a lot, and I thought, okay, and

9:56

I'm very into this concept of surplus value, then when

9:58

a boy becomes a man. man when

10:01

he's now producing more than he's taking in.

10:03

And some people never get to that point.

10:05

People love you, people spend time on you,

10:07

your school spends resources on you, the world

10:09

spends resources on you. And

10:11

when you really become a man is when

10:14

the output or the love, the care, the

10:16

concern, the productivity you offer the world is

10:18

greater than your inputs. And

10:21

for me, it was clarifying. I'm like, okay, my

10:23

opportunity here is to love my boys more than,

10:25

you know, my parents love me. And

10:27

to the forefront, interesting, not your work, not

10:29

your work or other things. That's really

10:32

interesting. Not a single image, not

10:34

a single thought about

10:36

my work, about money, about

10:38

success, about lack thereof, about professional

10:40

success or disappointment. And that occupies

10:42

the majority of my waking

10:44

hours. Can I say, was it

10:47

hallucinogenic? So I've told you about

10:49

the sphere being mind blowing in Las

10:51

Vegas. This is the sphere

10:53

of the sphere. The

10:56

walls are breathing, the universe

10:58

is flying by you in

11:00

crystal clear clarity. But

11:03

you are no longer in your body. So like

11:05

when you die, you know that feeling when they say when you

11:07

die, you pull out of your body and then you're looking down.

11:10

That's how I imagine it. It's like I am beaming

11:13

towards the source, the source is

11:15

comforting. And along the way,

11:17

I don't have time for one

11:19

of the billions of planets or the

11:21

trillions of organisms that aren't important. It's

11:24

just the two or three very important things

11:26

in a recognition. And there was no discovery.

11:29

There was nothing new. And my

11:31

actually my wife came into it, but in a

11:33

much different way. It was like this

11:36

shock. And the way

11:38

I would describe the shock was, did

11:40

you ever when you were a kid, get a gift,

11:43

you weren't expecting it. And

11:45

it was something that was so

11:47

unattainable for you, that you could never

11:50

even imagine owning it. I mean, you wanted it

11:52

so much, but it was unattainable. For me, it

11:54

was when I was a kid, I

11:56

was willing to skateboarding. My skateboard cost $2. a

12:00

skateboard called a Bain, B-A-H-N-E, which

12:02

was the ultimate luxury

12:05

item, the equivalent of a Bugatti or

12:07

a Birkenbag, but they were $45. In

12:10

a million years, my mom and I could never afford a

12:12

$45 skateboard. My

12:15

mom's boyfriend came

12:17

home one day with this real ragtag box, and

12:19

he said this to you, and I opened it, and it was a

12:22

Bain skateboard. At that moment,

12:24

that moment of just shock and joy

12:26

that that was mine, when

12:28

my wife came into the picture, I remember

12:30

feeling this like, who is

12:32

this? Oh my God, I get

12:34

to hang out with this

12:36

person. That's correct. Thank you, Scott. We

12:38

all know that. The rest of

12:41

us know this, because your wife is a hot

12:43

ticket item in every single way. Go ahead. But

12:46

this notion of who

12:48

is this? Oh my God, I get to hang

12:51

out with this person, partner with this person. I get

12:53

to be physical with this person. I get to have

12:55

the effect. It was like

12:57

this Bain skateboard times a million, and that

12:59

was very nice and clarifying. It was a

13:02

Bain skateboard. You know what I mean.

13:05

Did you have any religious or spiritual

13:07

things? Not at all. Not at all. You

13:10

didn't cut the base of God, did you?

13:12

The way I would describe

13:15

it is it doesn't illuminate anything

13:17

new or teach you anything new. It

13:19

didn't for me. What it did was just clarify

13:21

or cement the things that I know and are

13:23

very important to me. So

13:26

no appearances by the pivot team or

13:28

terrorist, which are interesting. Go ahead. Yeah,

13:30

not a lot. But I mean, there's

13:32

absolutely nothing about my work. The

13:35

takeaway, I went in with the intention. I

13:37

wanted to ask myself a question like, what

13:39

is my purpose? How do I add value? I

13:42

just came back to this notion that I've been fortunate

13:44

enough to receive a lot of love. My

13:48

goal in life is

13:51

to have surplus value in terms of the amount

13:53

of love I give as opposed to the amount

13:56

of love I've received. And

13:58

also this weird recognition that I'm almost

14:00

there and that quite

14:02

frankly gives me permission to

14:04

leave. And I don't want to

14:06

say die because that sounds negative. Oh,

14:08

please don't. Yeah. But I have permission

14:10

to leave and I've checked the box.

14:13

You've done enough. You've done enough, Scott.

14:15

You're a surplus person. You're a surplus

14:17

person. I've checked. I feel like,

14:19

I mean, I always think in terms of masculine, I think,

14:21

I am a man. I have loved more than

14:24

I've been loved and that's the goal. But

14:27

it was very clarifying. It was very positive, but

14:29

let me circle back. This is

14:31

not something to be done lightly. It

14:33

would be terrifying if you weren't confident

14:36

around your use of drugs. So

14:39

I shouldn't do it. And having said that, if the doctor recommends

14:41

it. So I shouldn't do it? I mean that sincerely,

14:43

I think if you was a good friend and I would always

14:45

advise you, I wouldn't do it if I were you.

14:48

And everyone talks about it being a life

14:51

changing experience. There's no free lunch and

14:53

there are moments. Imagine

14:56

the scariest rollercoaster you've ever been on and

14:58

your friends talk you into doing it. And

15:00

about 10 seconds into the rollercoaster, you're like,

15:02

I would pay almost anything to get off

15:05

this thing. There are a couple moments where

15:07

you're thinking about the intensity of your consciousness

15:09

separated from your body and

15:11

the life you've built for yourself and how strange

15:14

it is and all your emotions. And

15:16

it is so overwhelming. It gets quite

15:19

funny. It's just very scary. You know,

15:21

I'm recalling when I was a kid, I

15:23

used to stare in the, when I was very sad

15:25

about my dad and stuff, I would stare into the

15:27

mirror and I would hypnotize myself. I would go, who

15:30

am I? What am I doing here? And I'd repeat

15:32

it over and over again. And then I would disassociate.

15:34

It was amazing. I don't, I can't believe I did

15:37

that as a kid, but I have a very deep

15:39

reflection. If you stare into a mirror and say that, who

15:41

am I? What am I doing here? I, it

15:43

freaked me out when I was a kid and

15:45

I still have memories of that. I

15:48

think some of that is good. I think some of it is bad.

15:50

It was. It didn't get too much. Because you can't get out of

15:52

it. At one point I couldn't pull myself out. And

15:54

that times a hundred. That's

15:56

a great, that's a

15:59

great example. It

16:01

was scary, downside,

16:03

some anxiety that just shouldn't have been there because

16:06

it was on my mind at the time. How

16:08

long did it last? It's about an hour, but

16:10

you can't really stand. I mean, you're woozy. But

16:13

I merely called my wife and told her she was

16:15

a Bain skateboard, but she removed that. Oh,

16:20

I'm going to get you one of those now and put your

16:22

wife's face on it. That's my new curse. That's my birthday

16:24

present to you. But the

16:27

thing you'd want to give to people who

16:29

have a nice relationship with their kids, you

16:32

just ... The word

16:34

that kept coming up with a feeling in this, I'll

16:36

finish here, was impossible, but

16:38

impossible in a good way, impossible in

16:40

the sense that my boys

16:43

can never understand until they have their own

16:45

boys how deeply

16:47

I feel about them and my commitment to them. This

16:50

wonderful feeling that I have this secret that

16:53

they just can't

16:55

comprehend the depth of

16:58

the commitment and the connection I feel with them.

17:00

The word was impossible, but in a very positive

17:02

way. But

17:04

it was all about my boys, a

17:06

little bit about my partner in life, but

17:08

nothing about work,

17:13

nothing about health, nothing

17:16

about my parents, which shocked the shit out of

17:18

me. Good for

17:20

you, Scott. That sounds fantastic. Now,

17:22

I'm excited about your LSD trip and your

17:24

... I'm done. That's

17:26

my last experience of the Loosenagoons or whatever you

17:29

are. Okay. All right. Well,

17:31

speaking of ketamine, very briefly, Don Lemon's Elon Musk interview

17:33

is officially out after lots of drama. Some highlights of

17:35

the hour-long interview. Elon says he just

17:38

happened to meet Trump in Florida because the foreign president

17:40

came by a friend of Elon's while they were having

17:42

breakfast. This was nonsense. When

17:44

asked about what they discussed, Elon said Trump did most of

17:46

the talking and then was not ... it

17:48

had no details. Elon says ketamine

17:50

is helpful for getting out of a,

17:52

quote, negative frame of mind and suggests

17:54

that people with depression should speak with

17:56

their doctors about ketamine instead of SSRIs.

18:00

Nothing controversial there. Elon says that according to studies,

18:02

he's seen hate species gone down on the platform

18:04

in terms of views since he

18:06

took over because he was looking at views not where

18:08

they're promoted essentially versus

18:11

numbers. So whether it's

18:13

seen or not, Elon doubles

18:15

out on saying X will not censor on

18:17

behalf of advertisers. He also said

18:19

that everyone's been a slave at one point, which

18:21

I found to be the weirdest part of the

18:23

discussion and so everybody should get over it about

18:25

racism and things like that. Let's hear

18:27

one clip about content moderation. So

18:30

you could hear the thing of X

18:32

as being, it's much like the

18:35

internet. It's not some tiny

18:37

publication with like 20 articles. It's five-twenty

18:39

million. But everyone has the

18:41

opportunity to read it, Elon. So

18:44

I think you don't have the opportunity to read the internet.

18:46

Are you suggesting we should shut down the internet? No,

18:48

but you don't own the internet. I'm asking about

18:51

you and your responsibility and your platform. So

18:53

I see how you feel now. You

18:55

don't agree. We don't agree on this. Yes,

18:58

you want censorship and I don't. No, I don't

19:00

want censorship at all. Yes, you do. No, I

19:02

want responsibility. I think there's, I think there, you

19:05

desperately want censorship. No, if I want

19:07

a censorship, you want censorship so bad you can taste

19:09

it. No, that's not true. It's not true. I think

19:11

that there's right and wrong. Well,

19:13

that's how it went a lot of the

19:15

interview. It was a perfectly fine interview. Why

19:17

Elon freaked out? I have no idea. I thought it

19:19

was a solid interview. I didn't

19:21

think Donald's unfair. At all. At

19:24

all throughout the whole thing. Just the thing about Don Lemon,

19:26

I got a text from him. This

19:28

is a fucking dream for Don Lemon. I

19:30

mean, Don Lemon has

19:32

launched a podcast. This

19:35

is probably the biggest launch of a

19:37

podcast in history in terms of awareness.

19:39

It's a global story, his first podcast.

19:42

And I think Don handled it. He

19:45

was forceful yet dignified. Whoever

19:51

is Don's PR or comms

19:53

person is literally just having

19:55

their own really positive ketamine trip

19:57

right now. I

20:00

mean, this could not have worked

20:02

out any better. Don

20:04

looks great. Elon does not.

20:07

And so it's like, here's

20:10

a podcast launching where the

20:12

star looks forceful yet

20:14

dignified and the whole globe knows

20:16

about it. You

20:18

could not have bought this. Here's

20:21

what I would observe from knowing Elon. Two things

20:23

he does. One is, I think

20:25

he got bored in the middle of it.

20:27

I think he got bored. He gets easily

20:29

bored because he has sensory problems. And

20:33

then he got annoyed that he had to pay this guy. You

20:36

could see him being like, why am I paying

20:38

this guy for a regular interview? He wanted something.

20:40

He'd rather have people be slavish to him, as

20:43

many of the interviews are. Or he can just go

20:46

on and on. So he himself, I don't

20:48

think it was boring, but he was bored.

20:51

And then you

20:54

could see him go, why am I paying for this? And then he

20:56

started to do his trick, which is like, I've

20:58

got to go now. Same thing that Linda did,

21:00

which was at the Julia Boorstein

21:03

interview. I've got to go. I've got better things to do. And

21:06

then the other thing he does, which is so irritating, and

21:09

now I saw it really having not done the interview to

21:11

see it, it's the, he just wants

21:14

to bring any study into doubt. So

21:16

all study, he doesn't care if he's

21:18

right. He'll see. We'll see if

21:20

I'm right based on the tweets that we get

21:22

back. He slimes

21:24

actual facts so

21:26

that you're confused, which Trump

21:29

does too, which is interesting. And that's

21:31

what I noticed him doing over and

21:33

over again. Like, we've all been slaves

21:35

and get over it. Or no, the

21:37

numbers are not that. And then you don't

21:40

have any ability to fight back, because of

21:42

course you can find any study to do

21:44

it. But he slimes the truth and therefore

21:46

makes it confusing, and therefore he's right. You

21:49

know what I mean? Or maybe he's wrong.

21:51

I don't know. But that's what happens. Legitimate

21:53

people get slimed is what he was doing,

21:55

rather effectively, I thought, or trying to do.

21:58

Anyway, that's it. You

22:01

said something that really struck me that I thought

22:03

was very clever and a twist on a concept

22:05

or a turn of phrase and that you said,

22:07

Elon is addicted to a drug, but

22:10

it's sycophantry. It

22:12

just summarized it perfectly. You

22:16

can see how it happens. I suffer from this. Every

22:19

Monday morning we do an editorial call where

22:21

we pitch ideas through my Friday newsletter, No

22:23

Mercy, No Malice, and For the Pods. I

22:27

said something that I thought was writing about

22:29

mammals and the importance of herding and how

22:31

I think the most dangerous threat to America is

22:34

lonely young men as we've talked about at Nazium.

22:37

I wanted to do something on mammals.

22:39

Actually, our editor-in-chief brought up this great

22:41

idea about loneliness. I

22:43

had a frame on it and someone weighed in and

22:46

said, yeah, but Scott, that doesn't really make any sense.

22:48

I merely hated that person and wanted to fire them

22:51

because I'm so used to people

22:53

around me telling me

22:55

how great I am or how they used

22:57

to hate me, but now they love me, that you

23:00

start to believe your own shit. You

23:02

start to believe your own press. Then

23:05

when people push back on you and show you

23:07

the same sort of interaction and

23:09

viewpoint that almost everyone gets every

23:12

day, and it's important, men need

23:14

guardrails. Women need guardrails with men

23:16

especially, especially young men. You

23:20

get angry. When

23:22

you have the level, and

23:25

some of it is warranted,

23:27

just pure unadulterated like adulation

23:29

and praise, 24 by 7, you

23:32

become incredibly allergic. When

23:38

so many sanitary wipes are used on

23:40

your ego, you can't handle

23:43

any virus of disagreement. You got to watch

23:45

it. You're sort of like, oh, for goodness

23:47

sake. You could see it in his eyes. He

23:50

was bored. He was bored because he wasn't being sucked

23:53

up to. Then it wasn't interesting

23:55

enough. It wasn't sassy enough

23:57

to bother. He likes to fight too,

23:59

by the way. And so it just

24:02

was a decent, well

24:04

done, fair, tough interview and

24:06

he doesn't like that anymore.

24:08

And that's what happens to

24:10

rich people. That's why Jeff Bezos used to call me

24:12

all the time and now doesn't. He doesn't want it.

24:15

He doesn't want that anymore. He'd rather have whatever he

24:17

has. Anyway, it's very typical of these things. Anyway,

24:19

you should go listen to it. It's actually a very

24:22

good interview. It's very long. I think honestly he lets

24:24

him go on too long but that's just me. I

24:26

cut him off on some of his nonsense. There was

24:28

one where he didn't push back where he says Trump

24:30

just came for breakfast and Don doesn't say you're fucking

24:32

lying. That's a fucking lie. You were totally meeting

24:34

with him. In any case, moving

24:37

on, public officials, speaking of that, can block people

24:39

on social media posts. It's not part of their

24:41

official duties, the Supreme Court says. I

24:43

think that was a pretty fair ruling. However, the posting is

24:45

part of official duties. They can be sued for doing so.

24:48

The unanimous decision came from a case involving

24:50

a city manager in Michigan who blocked a

24:52

user for making COVID-19 comments he didn't agree

24:54

with. The city manager's

24:56

page was called ambiguous in the decision given

24:59

the mix for public official and personal content,

25:01

a similar case involving former President Trump was

25:03

dismissed in 2021 after he had left office.

25:07

I think this is your social media.

25:09

If you're doing it in your job,

25:11

you cannot cut people off as a politician

25:13

or a public official. It's

25:15

just not some of it is personal.

25:19

Do you have an interest in March Madness or

25:21

something else? I thought this was an excellent decision.

25:23

Yeah, I feel like you've got a better

25:25

take on this than me. But the thing

25:28

that always bothers me is somewhat what Elon

25:30

Musk said, will you believe in censorship?

25:33

I just thought that was such a bullshit. If

25:35

you're a private company that's a media company, you

25:37

have no choice but to censor every day. That's

25:39

what you do. The reason people

25:41

are drawn to the Atlantic is it has a different view

25:44

than the daily standard. The reason

25:46

people turn into Fox or CNN is

25:49

because they censor. CNN

25:51

censors far

25:53

right views. Fox censors,

25:56

anything that's rational. Media

26:00

means censorship. That's curation. That's what

26:03

media is. I don't even like to

26:05

use that word. They just edit. It's called editing.

26:07

It's editing. Yeah. So

26:09

I don't... Anyways, that's how your take makes sense. Yeah.

26:12

Yeah. This is a good decision. All

26:14

right, Scott, let's go on a quick break. And when we

26:16

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29:52

With that, he looks like Apple and Co

29:55

are teaming up for a major Ai partnership.

29:57

That you companies are a poorly and

29:59

acted negotiation the Bill de Los Gemini

30:02

ai model into the I phone. According

30:04

to Bloomberg Gemini it would reportedly power

30:06

new feature is coming. To I phone

30:08

software later this year. Apples also recently

30:10

held. Discussions open. A I consider using

30:12

it's model according to the Bloomberg reports

30:14

are just as important as Apple doesn't

30:16

have a lot of data on you,

30:18

they don't keep it and so they're

30:20

gonna be way behind and Ai and

30:22

they have a very long standing and

30:25

long relationship with Google on napping and

30:27

and search. And so

30:29

and different things that and work

30:31

together years it'll be interesting to

30:33

see is. That. Savoring one

30:35

of these companies as a problem. Obviously

30:37

open a with I would like this

30:39

job is apples. Are you know bringing

30:41

a I to the phones it is

30:43

gonna be a big sur Good deal

30:45

for someone am very quick Thoughts on

30:47

this. Had since are so smart.

30:49

I think apple. I get a

30:52

sense that apple has two or

30:54

three or once. And for attaboy.

30:57

Bright economists Because what you have

30:59

as. You have

31:01

a series of seeds

31:03

businesses, laptops, music's. Media

31:06

these are absolutely well or they

31:09

just sit there and some very

31:11

very big businesses where they go

31:13

vertical and sites and solo experience.

31:16

And I take an economist says or

31:18

I worse and we go vertical. And

31:20

where is there such a surplus of

31:22

Sunday. And. Other people do

31:24

it so well. That the best

31:27

move for us in the shareholder standpoint would

31:29

just be have sort of a bidding war.

31:32

And. Outsource it's silly to someone

31:34

else and extract. More

31:36

value than we could if we tried

31:38

to go in and compete. So the

31:40

ultimate example here asserts. They

31:43

said i mean it is sort of

31:45

makes sense or apple given it's interface

31:47

and it's technological domain expertise to launch

31:49

a competitive search. Hands and some economists

31:51

said I have an idea. If.

31:54

We just did it out. To

31:56

the highest bidder which will be Google

31:58

we can extract point. In billion dollars

32:00

And ninety eight percent. Marty? Not right

32:03

now. a little singer. And. And.

32:05

I have to do a second back. And

32:08

get twenty eight billion dollars a year.

32:10

The first the bottom line and I

32:12

think they've done what it feels like.

32:14

I think they've looked at the world

32:16

of Ai and said there are small

32:18

number of finite number of players would

32:20

near ensign a capital to as very

32:22

good. And imagine

32:24

them that. Imagine that the

32:26

get. Ten billion

32:28

tons. Of pounds

32:30

of flash we're going to be able to

32:32

extract from these guys to be the Ai

32:35

and front of the billion wealthiest people. Now

32:37

let's go search on their some let's just

32:39

get answered ganache fuck and sac every year.

32:43

That's. It that's I guess this is a

32:45

set at this is what happened at Nasa's

32:47

will Happen I think it's intercom to definitely

32:49

important don't near an important customer for these

32:51

Ai companies and a sudden spend money on

32:53

their still waste a lot of money and

32:55

they won't be as good as these companies.

32:57

They don't have as much data expertise. They

32:59

certainly need to know how to use any

33:01

I in the in the products, how to

33:03

use it make it better and they will

33:05

be. They will run that part. Is it

33:07

like how it comes to you will be

33:09

all Apple and it's sister back and that

33:11

they will use that will for. But how

33:13

it, how it approaches you, how your phone

33:16

talks to you, etc. Removing essentially it replacing

33:18

theory they're They're breaking up with Siri for

33:20

a new life. essentially. And

33:23

it will. It is critically important in the

33:25

more money that and Iraq, more money can

33:27

get out. so that's that. I think we'll

33:29

see what happens. I think open I should

33:31

try to win this one as they can.

33:33

They think it's any good If Google guess

33:35

this will give Massoud leg up Microsoft the

33:37

driver when the phone to i'm. Also,

33:40

plus shifts as to assist in a really

33:42

weird way. Nicole Shanahan, a lawyer, an investor

33:44

and Google. Cofounders: Sergei Brin ex

33:46

wife. Is reportedly the top contender

33:48

for arcade. Juniors running mate I I

33:51

could. Not believe when I saw this

33:53

Shanahan was a creative force in primary backer

33:55

behind the finally and Are are Stay Superbowl

33:57

ad that everybody hated other names. that of.

34:00

Can only be. Can a sophomore one

34:02

more ridiculous And the other by Aaron

34:04

Rodgers, the Village Idiot, Super Bowl Die

34:07

and Jesse Ventura the other. It's still

34:09

a Jedi A dice. She's not stupid.

34:11

I. Had this is Bank of Sergei paying

34:13

for this? I think he's he's taking your for the money,

34:15

she's got a ton of money. When she got divorced. I.

34:18

Don't know what to say about this.

34:21

I know I've heard quite a bit

34:23

about or I've done the reporting myself,

34:25

but boy talk about any of these

34:27

choices are completely unqualified and ridiculous fun.

34:29

It's of that, it's laughable and it's

34:31

awesome to the he's running. And lastly,

34:33

I loved the entire Kennedy family. Took

34:35

a picture with Joe Biden yesterday on

34:37

St. Patrick's Day star just to show

34:39

their support in. I think each of

34:41

them should go out wherever he is

34:43

appearing and say I'm a Kennedy and

34:45

this guy is terrible. I think they

34:47

should make sure. That this guy

34:49

doesn't linked Aziz Terrible thoughts.

34:52

For. This a lot here because. I

34:54

said the for a long time I

34:57

said something that we go a long

34:59

way to solve our problems around minority

35:01

rule and extremis policies are don't Represent

35:03

America is final five or right choice

35:05

for it though incessantly get more senators

35:07

like I'm Lisa Murkowski right which is

35:09

what Why Caesar The reason As a

35:11

moderate republican and Alaska as they have

35:14

this friend says or right choice of

35:16

final five voting, we should also have

35:18

it in the presidency because the reason

35:20

a Bill Clinton. The reason

35:22

that George Bush, our President is

35:24

not because they got the most.

35:26

Third is because Jill Stein, Ralph

35:28

Nader, and Ross Perot or malignant

35:30

narcissist. And that's

35:32

the seer around The third

35:34

party candidates is they will

35:36

probably. Bars. Table probably

35:39

decide his president. He. Won't

35:41

be president, but he will probably decide

35:43

who is president depending on whether he

35:45

draws more boats and Trump or it

35:47

draws more votes from Biden. And.

35:50

Did the other larger point here? Is

35:52

it? our economy? For. Our world

35:54

has been run on money for a long

35:56

time and it's move from the most dominant

35:59

feature of our. the me was agrarian

36:01

than a went to industrialization than a

36:03

want to oil. Then it

36:05

went to information and Services and now

36:08

our economy. Essentially. Runs

36:10

on attention and that's true of the

36:12

presidential campaigns I used to be who

36:14

raise the most money. Now it's who

36:17

gets the most attention and I will

36:19

mark a disabled person or say. People.

36:22

Or some shit hole countries. But as long as I'm in

36:24

the news every day, I

36:26

can. You know that's as good as

36:28

money and a sensible you have here

36:31

is our to Jr has decided he's

36:33

going to have slowed a new candidate

36:35

every forty eight hours just to stay

36:37

on the news. The reason

36:39

why our kids being sick being taken

36:41

seriously as he's in the news every

36:43

forty eight hours and his comes first

36:46

in a cigarette out let's slow a

36:48

difference V P candidate every seventy two

36:50

hours. Aaron Rodgers adult piss people off

36:52

boom front page you know And then

36:54

this individual, this woman and on a

36:56

lot on it for a lot of

36:58

reasons is actually a my opinion. From

37:01

an issue standpoint, A decent

37:03

Texas Not qualified, but okay bodily

37:06

autonomy. right? Money.

37:09

Says a ton of money. Use.

37:11

A you we definitely somebody's gotta pick someone

37:13

under the age of one hundred and twenty

37:16

here says to stand out a woman hey

37:18

I got it. So a lot of a

37:20

seed sachs a lot of boxes but out

37:22

of all the comes first in is doing.

37:25

Is. Taking people were the media ago

37:27

saw that's interesting. I'm gonna write

37:29

it up or Jets quarterback that

37:31

is anti vax hard. That's interesting.

37:33

I'll write ups. Expect in another

37:35

seventy two hours another V P

37:37

candidate to be floated go into

37:39

Iraq. A junior says said he

37:42

is in the news yet again.

37:44

And this one was out of the you know he sees

37:46

way. His last year old. This is where

37:48

see Anthony? I mean she gave an interview with

37:51

people. Magazine. Of course, that civic story

37:53

with the Wall Street Journal report

37:55

about having an affair with Elon

37:57

Musk and and that slight Sergei

37:59

Brin. File for divorce isn't it

38:01

was in July Twenty Twenty two she

38:03

has denied As and the Wall Street

38:05

Journal. to and Musket both denied the

38:08

affair or is it was journal told.

38:10

People we are confident are sourcing. We stand

38:12

by reporting. And she

38:14

says no so I don't know what

38:16

to say she is. She's interesting fact

38:18

that it matters not reporters should write

38:20

about is she runs, they should get

38:23

the gauntlet that other candidates debt and

38:25

there's a lot eat reporters to get

38:27

on at. A lot of people in

38:29

so down valley know her. She had

38:31

said she. Simply talked Musk because

38:33

of the daughter of Britain in

38:36

her hands on has autism And

38:38

so she was talking about. The.

38:41

Back on neural link about what

38:43

to do about it soaks anyway.

38:45

I don't know, it's just. There's

38:47

not as she runs. She gets to

38:49

be covered the way candidates get covered.

38:51

And same thing with Rodgers. Same things

38:53

that sense for us so. Have added people

38:55

that you know. that's the thing. That's what

38:57

happens in one Iran, South. She's not qualify

39:00

disease now. Vice President is. To someone who's

39:02

not qualified to be president, that's. Correct. that's

39:04

correct. Neither is A. Rodgers is even worse. I

39:06

would take her if I had to sack com

39:08

see beyond top of this sad list. but. Nonetheless,

39:11

Neither going to be. the Vp does

39:13

and we're not and so they literally

39:15

until til finally the press goes. Okay

39:17

now you're just using this. Is

39:21

they're gonna a touchstone? the same side? some

39:23

stone, the same thing floating different V P

39:25

candidates. We run on attention economy and this

39:27

is a great way to get a prepared

39:29

for some paid zone. So beings at. She.

39:32

Also has a lot of money. she isn't

39:35

many. Sensor is echoed like as an attack

39:37

Syria the Ups and surgeon some being married

39:39

to attack. that's really where she she didn't

39:41

make money. Sorry is the way or the

39:43

way I see it almost as it sounds

39:45

awesome in a sense aside million dollars to

39:47

take her for. For. His Superbowl

39:50

ad it is raise her name

39:52

to a global profile and it

39:54

adds he saw just considers you

39:57

for Vice President at Add Some

39:59

Saskia. How bad? Guys running for president

40:01

Now the branding thing anyway let's see his last and

40:03

forget our front of to that. Finally the way Americans

40:06

buy or sell their homes to be changing the big

40:08

way. The National So Season of Realtors has agreed to

40:10

settle a group. Of lawsuits that accused the

40:12

organization conspiring to keep agents commission's hi

40:14

anyone is bought a house. Knows as

40:16

a federal judge still has to prove

40:18

the settled but it goes to the

40:20

deal with/real to standard six percent commission

40:22

fee which was an inexplicable to make.

40:25

The typical commission the Us is unusually

40:27

high compared with Germany. At four point, five

40:29

percent Australia. Two point Five percent in Great

40:31

Britain At one point three percent new rules

40:33

will also make it easier for buyers to

40:35

negotiate these with their own agents or not

40:37

is an agent at all? The and A

40:39

Are would still denies wrongdoing, will also pay

40:41

four hundred eighteen million dollars in damages over

40:43

four years. But honestly anyone who is White

40:45

House but I never understood six Percent it

40:47

should be whatever is or worse. And yeah,

40:49

whatever you want to negotiate. And the fact

40:51

that as A said as he is very

40:53

much like credit card sees, it just doesn't

40:55

make any fucking. Sense Other than the

40:58

answer to a and higher education,

41:00

there is no mob to the

41:02

commands greater. Zig. Zag

41:05

Sancerre Leon Economically than Realtors I spend,

41:07

I can do right now a trade

41:09

for a million dollars and start for

41:11

nineteen dollars and ninety five cents. But

41:13

if I sell a million dollar house

41:16

of gotta pay a sixty thousand dollar

41:18

commission. It. Just makes no fucking

41:20

sense and it's national. React Realtors Association

41:22

has done a great job of convincing

41:24

every one that buying a home as

41:26

the American dream. And they do this.

41:29

This. This incredibly devious same were to

41:31

an order to get on the Mls which

41:33

is if you're not on m the Mls

41:36

same of and it's multi myself and self

41:38

service. And a multiple listing service?

41:40

Having a sweat it is. Now that I'm

41:42

not on, there is no realtor. Anyone representing

41:44

a buyer knows he is massively trying to

41:46

sell your house on Mars. No, no, no,

41:49

no cities in there. and there's they say?

41:51

they wanna get as many realtors who are

41:53

the gatekeeper to the buyers. To.

41:55

Come see your house to They have to say to

41:57

mission of two to three percent paid what they're saying.

42:00

Very basic that the the buyer and

42:02

seller get to negotiate their own deal.

42:05

With. Their agent and the bomb. Isis has

42:07

too many real estate in some half of

42:09

them. Haven't had the sold zero or one

42:11

houses in the last year, so it's an

42:13

inefficient use of human capital. This

42:15

too many of them and it's price fixing. Mrs.

42:18

This will bring down the price of homes over

42:20

the next three to five years. Two to three

42:22

percent which doesn't sound like a lot, but it

42:24

as a lot this is stuck in my this

42:27

is stuck in my craw for. So long I'm

42:29

like, what is that? They don't have to be

42:31

good or not, they don't have to like perform

42:33

at. Some of them are great, but why am

42:35

I paying the other person's realtor right in own?

42:37

I mean like let them pay them like that's

42:39

the whole thing. He gets split and I've never

42:41

met Sally an. Hour early. Yeah it is. Our

42:43

only son. Would I want my work live on?

42:45

That made it. Would. You want to pay them

42:48

but knit, negotiate and I'll probably get a good

42:50

amount is they're good but it's like tipping a

42:52

waiter or any the states the waiters cases most

42:54

simmer guide and. I

42:56

do kind of feel like they should get

42:58

a little more money by it's just everyone

43:00

else has to lives and die by the

43:03

performance and sees Realtors down and sorry that

43:05

just down and it's bullshit it's just bullshit

43:07

Anyway it's for any think it's new even

43:09

apple with a thirty percent see where the

43:11

giving you three percent it you just depend

43:14

on how much service you get at stuff

43:16

away goes. Anyway, Ah, we'll see,

43:18

we'll see six of the housing market good

43:20

for good for people suing on this and

43:22

gives it a judge anyway. Pay more money

43:25

than four and eighty million dollars away anyway.

43:27

Nice. And Osmond is. Dana

43:34

Are seizure is the director for the

43:37

Center for Environment Committee and Equity at

43:39

American University. She's also the author of

43:41

Saving Ourselves From climate shocks. The Climate

43:43

Action Dana welcome. Thanks. For

43:45

having me So for so what is climate

43:48

shock? What a lot! Wow how you define.

43:50

It. I define a climate

43:52

shock as a deviation from

43:54

average. Extremes. Average

43:56

climate on variability that is

43:59

exacerbated by. Climate change. I'm.

44:01

It's worth noting that nobody's ever actually the

44:03

find it before he even though folks like

44:06

the New York Times you said all the

44:08

time so it it is basically adding that

44:10

climate change component to these natural variability that

44:12

we see like right now with El Nino.

44:15

In June. So it's say. It's things that are

44:17

surprising to the corners. For listen to people.

44:21

Surprising the people mean it actually is

44:23

completely predicted have been many, many scientists,

44:25

hundreds of scientists contributors to the Intergovernmental

44:27

Panel on Climate Change. Are

44:29

many many times including the most recent

44:32

a Our Sex which was There review.

44:34

it came out recently that specifically said

44:36

that if we continue to contribute. Of.

44:39

Contribute. Carbon to the atmosphere We're

44:41

going to see increase warming and increase

44:43

increase climate shots. They didn't call climate

44:46

science but they were talking about these

44:48

weather extremes like. Wildfire

44:50

which is caused by drought or scream

44:52

flaunting or tornadoes or Doritos like we've

44:55

had is here in the Dc area.

44:57

Some. Other types of extreme events

45:00

worth seeing right now says crazy heatwave

45:02

in South Sudan which is. Currently

45:04

a hundred and fourteen degrees at a close

45:06

schools. Things. Like wow. Rice.

45:08

Soup About Climate Advance know been so many

45:10

over the last years, including the as he

45:13

mentioned, major wildfires in hurricanes and you can

45:15

see it everywhere on social media, so much

45:17

more prevalent. You're aware of them all over

45:20

the world. Why isn't that? Most people the

45:22

accent from your perspective. On. So it's

45:24

not people who need to act as

45:26

much as a lot of folks wanna

45:28

make us think that. it's our individual

45:31

actions that matter and and they certainly

45:33

matter some. But really, it's about systemic

45:35

change. And the reason that we haven't

45:37

seen the systemic change that's needed is

45:39

because there are these entrenched interests that

45:42

are most and funded and supported by

45:44

fossil fuels that are maintaining the status

45:46

quo they have on. They have specific

45:48

access to power, They have access to

45:50

resources through subsidize access to public lands,

45:53

for example, And they find a

45:55

whole bunch of political campaigns. and as a

45:57

result, as you might expect, elected officials though

45:59

in their favor whenever they're bit, they're given

46:02

those kinds of options. So you know the

46:04

type of changes that are needed are going

46:06

to be relatively painful. and they're going to

46:08

be big changes for all of us. But

46:11

in order to get there, we need to

46:13

push back against the fossil fuel interests that

46:15

are controlling the power. right? Which

46:17

is not a new fresh that is that. This

46:20

is not a new thing, it's I mean scene

46:22

and millions of movies, the movie Chinatown with about

46:24

everything else sir. But knows me knows that

46:26

while that's the case or the most recent

46:28

I P C C the Camp in Two

46:31

Thousand Twenty Two we weren't allowed to say

46:33

fossil fuel interests and a summary for policymakers

46:35

they re route we brought it to be

46:38

vested interests and if he are called the

46:40

most recent round the climate negotiations last fall

46:42

when like November December there was this point

46:44

by you and others to have a discussion

46:47

about fossil fuel phase out the got completely

46:49

diluted. we can bounce. Isn't. Because

46:51

they couldn't assets that in the book

46:53

you call yourself an apocalyptic Often asked,

46:55

what exactly does that. Mean you

46:57

write my predictions will scare you but they

46:59

said also gives you hope. Explain

47:02

that or so and so it isn't

47:04

what it means. Basically is that I

47:06

do believe that there is. We have

47:08

the capacity to save ourselves, but I

47:10

also believe that it is going to

47:12

come with pain and suffering. I think

47:14

that the only way to motivate the

47:16

kinds of social changes that are needed

47:18

it is by personal experience with these

47:20

climate sharks which some people have already

47:23

experienced. Amina. So many of us

47:25

experience the smoke from wildfires last summer, for

47:27

example, but it's gonna take more than that

47:29

for us to push for. That.

47:31

Kind of political will this needed to

47:33

get our governments to push back against

47:36

fossil fuel interests. And so I believe

47:38

it's possible. But it's only when there

47:40

is this real sense of losing power

47:42

that the decision makers will finally take

47:45

their actions that are needed. Goddamn

47:47

nice to me To isn't birds parents

47:49

are not me on that is. Concept

47:52

isn't a problem that. We.

47:54

Really on experience and climate.

47:56

Soccer experience and climate by

47:58

thousand cuts. The

48:01

to supervise than three than four and were

48:03

very adaptability. That class has a the best

48:05

seem like a half and for us. Cycle.

48:08

Cause of my commencing untreated until you

48:10

into certain amount of. In

48:13

this is I realize this has been dramatic the

48:16

wouldn't be the best saying. If we

48:18

really wanted to see a change would be

48:20

some like. Super. Fire

48:22

That. Did not.

48:24

A real shock. Nothing so

48:26

shocking cause everything's getting slightly.

48:29

Worse. There on the railing is the problem

48:31

is that for it's a frog Band Aid

48:33

First of all Scott welcome it sounds like

48:35

you are also and Apocalypse Optimist So welcome

48:37

to my the minds of my small but

48:39

growing group. I'm half of those things in

48:41

one of them is Not Optimist. But

48:45

I mean by the hear it. But here's the

48:47

situation is you're absolutely right mean no way that

48:49

they Un Secretary General said it last year is

48:51

he said that we're gonna need many else that

48:53

there was Pakistan which was flooding in our third

48:56

of the whole country flooded. Many.

48:58

Many people were affected. Millions of people were

49:00

affected. It's or going to need many more

49:02

of those before we see the kind of

49:04

action that's necessary. You may not be yeah,

49:06

may not have the optimistic sides were you

49:08

may just be an apocalyptic person. but ah,

49:10

I believe that that will motivate people to

49:12

rise up. And me. I've seen some evidence

49:14

that that starting, but obviously we need a

49:16

whole lot more and it's gonna take a

49:18

lot more pain and suffering to get us

49:20

there. And he is also. You

49:22

know you sort of can see it, psyche

49:24

see violence in other cities and they make

49:26

a big deal on it and then you think

49:29

it's they are but it's not affecting you I

49:31

often and now I'm talking to people who

49:33

are certain other cities violin and like when

49:35

did you get mugged precisely nam when has like

49:37

is a very smaller group of people and

49:39

so does it's You know it's a shock

49:41

factor is really important in terms of real something

49:43

you know like as just noticing that cherry

49:45

blossoms in D C or a peep blossom

49:47

right now early and the flooding is such that

49:50

the bathtub they have to. Add floodwalls. Now

49:52

where the cherry blossoms are because the

49:54

water is now over the pathways that

49:56

you would walk to look at these

49:58

beautiful blossoms. that which Sydney. Now at

50:00

the same time and so it's interesting and it

50:02

was like oh what an inconvenience. I'm like that

50:04

is just like an ad for what the hell

50:06

is going on here, you know? And I mean

50:08

your dessert and be covered with water and some

50:10

point. Where. It made in. When I

50:13

say as you know it's it's delightful that

50:15

we've had seventy degree weather started in February,

50:17

But ah, that's gonna be not so delightful.

50:19

We had a August and word and of

50:21

ten to twelve degrees above normal because that's

50:23

really uncomfortable and that means that people who

50:25

have to work outside, people don't have access

50:27

to air conditioning, people don't have access to

50:29

clean water, are going to start to feel

50:31

real pain from it. So mean, I think

50:34

that's exactly right. We're gonna have to see

50:36

a lot more shops and those socks are

50:38

not going to hit us all equally so.

50:40

those of us with more privilege. Will be

50:42

entered to some degree but.

50:45

Eventually we'll all feel the effects. So

50:47

other tactics the climate access the using

50:49

his intersected you. Know her, Gotta Timber

50:52

has raised awareness of civil disobedience tactics.

50:54

We saw an enormous amount of push

50:56

back on or especially on social media

50:58

which is interesting and we saw climate

51:00

change protesters disrupt about way so last

51:02

week on it. What do you think

51:04

are effective because it doesn't seem to

51:06

have an effect. While.

51:08

Is actually a lot of these actions.

51:11

The Civic on the Civil Disobedience is

51:13

effective, but it's effective in said in

51:15

a way that we might not understand

51:17

or my not think about it right?

51:20

So he doesn't mean that you know

51:22

Granted, gets arrested or these activists disrupts

51:24

you know the show last week and

51:26

all of a sudden the government says

51:29

you know we should really do something

51:31

about climate change. Let's face out, fossil

51:33

fuels. It's more that the these activists

51:35

are using civil disobedience to gain. Attention

51:38

through the media as well as to

51:40

raise public awareness to expand those who

51:43

are participating in activism. and we see

51:45

that with people who are disrupting shows

51:47

mean it was actually a really interesting

51:49

a. Post. On Instagram by

51:52

Michael Imperioli who's a one of the

51:54

stars of the show last weekend. He

51:56

said he his character didn't support the

51:58

activists, but he personally does. Adidas

52:00

and really classic examples of how what

52:02

we call the Radical Flying which is

52:04

those are be more you know, aggressive

52:07

and confrontational enter activism, Use this to

52:09

get attention and also raise awareness to

52:11

support more moderate components of the movements

52:13

and we're seeing that more more so

52:15

we should expect. That as people personal

52:17

experience sharks, they'll start to think about

52:19

what they should do about it and

52:21

what they're going to end up doing

52:23

about it is they'll be turning towards

52:25

these moderate slice or moderate groups within

52:28

the movement. To. Start to support them

52:30

and hopefully help to expand the movement of

52:32

broadly can happen. Certainly happened with Day right.

52:34

There was a very activist group that a

52:36

lot of people were soft by by the

52:38

way and then it sort of moved into

52:40

the mainstream. Absolutely. And then you

52:42

end up with a group like a

52:44

Human Rights Campaign actually pushes through and

52:46

helped to succeed with deal with a

52:48

supporting same sex marriage but. But at

52:51

the same time, Corporate America and companies.

52:53

Should play a role in climate change that a

52:55

federal court just temporary halted new rules from the

52:58

Fcc. The required. Public companies to disclose

53:00

climbers greenhouse gas emissions to well

53:02

and gas companies had criticized the

53:04

new requirement. Is costly an arbitrary again

53:06

there by nature than a do this

53:09

so being angry at them for trying

53:11

to survive. Is really not a sect

53:13

of necessarily so there's not. There's a lot

53:15

of pushback in terms of actual rules that

53:17

would happen. Sir. I mean what

53:20

we basically going to see his those again

53:22

in power are going. the of those particularly

53:24

who are of was funded by the fossil

53:26

fuel interests are going to has to continue

53:28

to try to protect is a status quo

53:30

Because the Status quo is a fossil fuel

53:32

extract of economies. That's what we we are

53:34

surviving on and that is what we're benefiting

53:37

from. Some ways in all of us will

53:39

be able to use air conditioning the summer.

53:41

All of us who drive fossil fuel based

53:43

cars all of us were turn on lights

53:45

they are powered by you know natural gas

53:47

which is a fossil fuel or. Coal in

53:49

some cases. So it's a very,

53:51

very large. Systemic change is needed

53:53

and a poorest people are going

53:55

to. you know, Fossil. Fuel

53:58

companies are going to protect themselves. I mean, The

54:00

fad many of them are you are

54:02

bowling bag their commitments with regard to

54:04

emissions reductions and net zero plans we

54:06

saw it last week. of the number

54:08

of companies and their lobbying very hard

54:10

to make sure that these kinds of

54:12

measures like the As He Sees measure

54:14

will be stayed and then block. so

54:16

it's going to take a lot to

54:18

get to the changes that are needed.

54:20

Sudan. As here via a timer

54:23

sooner transported said twenty years into the

54:25

future. Masuda climate change with sugar to

54:27

daughter was turned back. things are headed

54:30

in the right direction and then they

54:32

ask you to guess what societal or

54:34

technical. Change. Or advance

54:36

was responsible for. that. Will be your

54:39

best guess as to the biggest hope

54:41

right now where there's a long shot

54:43

long tail prospect. Of. Actually

54:45

does actually turning turning the

54:47

tide backer. Or. Here's how we

54:50

hear someone and she's got. If we're looking

54:52

at twenty years in the future and climate

54:54

change has been solved that than it had

54:56

to be some sort of techno fix that

54:58

was a silver bullet. And there's a lot

55:00

of invest and when billions of dollars of

55:03

investment right now going into carbon capture, carbon

55:05

remove all which are tools that are being

55:07

used and further developed by fossil fuel companies

55:09

because they're the ones both most suited with

55:11

the infrastructure to be able to do it

55:13

if they figure it out which currently as

55:16

they have not much and it.billions of dollars

55:18

right now an investment. To try to figure

55:20

it out that could. maybe? Save.

55:22

Us and twenty years otherwise. twenty years

55:24

from now people are gonna say i

55:26

can't believe you're flying on airplanes still

55:28

because you're basically screwing us using Care

55:30

Plans for the Vegas corporate. Airplanes are

55:32

contributing for sure. Yeah so if you had

55:35

to do said as some sense tech syllable

55:37

and I do Now I do talked a

55:39

lot of technologists about climate change tack and

55:41

the role it could play is it is

55:44

is that how you see it happening? Any

55:46

scott sagging the template is there is talk.

55:48

About three or four really promising to

55:50

disappear. The tech audience obviously. And

55:53

tech stuff that's happening decides carbon capture as I've

55:55

heard that from a lot of you know a

55:57

lot of tech billionaires are investing in that of

55:59

the. What from your perspective

56:02

here is if he would think three

56:04

things that are critically important for the

56:06

tech industry to. Work on and climate change

56:08

tack What would it take? I.

56:10

Think that on it's a really good

56:12

question of a suspect for I should

56:14

have predicted at Arkansas say I mean

56:16

number one is I think that on

56:18

tech companies need to work to help

56:20

to expand distributed ah. Clean. Energy

56:23

particularly distributed solar to make it more

56:25

possible for people who cannot afford to

56:27

invest the money that they still have

56:29

to pay even with the tax breaks

56:32

to put solar on their houses. Or.

56:34

Because there's so much cleaner energy capacity

56:36

and it's just not as scale. Yeah,

56:39

so we need to do that. There.

56:41

Needs to be more investment

56:43

in really distributing clean energy.

56:45

Us are not clean energy.

56:48

I'm more and more investment

56:50

an. Electric Vehicles. And I

56:52

don't mean electric vehicles, I single use

56:54

vehicles. I'm talking electric buses right? We're

56:56

seeing some places like Island Montgomery County,

56:59

Maryland Montgomery County Maryland We got school

57:01

buses that are going electric. There's so

57:03

much technology their that has not been

57:05

ramps up and taken advantage of and

57:07

I would see that as much as

57:09

transportation the A mass transportation the Up

57:11

not individual cars concepts. Not that soon

57:14

as the Real Quick Dennis A true

57:16

that we're we're while we haven't found

57:18

a testicles, listen to the climate crisis,

57:20

we're definitely getting. Warmer. Sir.

57:23

Would. Allow see

57:25

just know now that mine had

57:27

humored reminded me I had found

57:29

yet we are bilingual derogatory about

57:31

the drama certain a boil. So.

57:36

I know a number of comedians

57:38

who actually are bringing climate into

57:40

the repertoire as and I think

57:42

that that certainly could contribute at

57:44

St. Said as citizens. This a laugh

57:46

about it. Last laugh laugh all the way to

57:48

the grave and I just assumed since one more

57:50

texting as you could like if you would have

57:52

their the if you had his ability tell them

57:55

what to invest in. Pick.

57:57

One other up of these. Ah, here's another one is.

57:59

I think that. Need to start

58:01

thinking about building our and

58:03

making it possible to build

58:05

our more on housing that

58:07

is. Using clean energy

58:10

and his arm transition and quickly away

58:12

from natural decks right? That's I mean

58:14

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58:17

innovation but rather investments because the technology

58:19

is there Now I'm but we need

58:21

to stop leaning and a single family

58:24

homes. But while we're building out more

58:26

you know. More. Housing It

58:28

needs to be cleaner. It needs to

58:30

be greener. And. I

58:32

guess started needs to be cooler. Was.

58:35

So to I could a sore you're going to

58:37

sad sonics com and I thought you would say

58:39

nuclear. Ah, No, I

58:41

was not gonna say nuclear. I mean here's the

58:43

deal with nuclear as ago. I also I say

58:46

activism or on climate as well as climate policy

58:48

making. And it's if you wanna see a place

58:50

where we're gonna see tons of pushback. From.

58:52

The people who live in the areas as well

58:55

as activists nuclear power will be as so that

58:57

the lot of research says that even if folks

58:59

try to invest in nuclear, there's gonna be so

59:01

much pushback that it could be really problematic so

59:03

I don't want to open up a can of

59:05

worms for more active as young as the you're

59:07

running as a viable solution is practically, I think

59:10

it's gonna be have to be part of the

59:12

solution, but I don't I wouldn't put my money,

59:14

they're. Yeah I would agree because of

59:16

the met the of islam everyone's feelings about it

59:18

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59:21

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59:27

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59:32

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knowledge he and the diffusion lose signal Aziz to

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saving ourselves from climate shots to

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Climate Saxon. Thank you so much!

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really terrible things and we cannot let

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fuck with us in a way that's

1:04:24

really and then pretending and being in

1:04:26

a cute about it though not really

1:04:28

meaning what they're saying and will see

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in. The and and is that it's

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designed to tear down really facts really

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pretty much. And it's really we have

1:04:36

to stop allowing it a not losing

1:04:38

our minds when he says it. But

1:04:41

it's just it's just crazy talk is what

1:04:43

it is and so I think we have

1:04:45

to be very cognizant of to how were

1:04:47

being. Manipulated into. Getting

1:04:50

in the gutter with these people. So anyway,

1:04:52

you're when in sales. Call

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my cell is. So

1:04:57

one point one million people

1:04:59

have can. Have completely

1:05:01

exhausted or food supply. In

1:05:04

Gaza and in my be

1:05:07

it might be the most

1:05:09

catastrophic fight hunger crisis. It

1:05:12

might be the greatest number of people

1:05:14

ever recorded says in a catastrophic hunger

1:05:16

some. And I think

1:05:18

any saying that Netanyahu does to

1:05:20

get unawares humanitarian aid. Is.

1:05:23

Not only the wrong thing to do

1:05:25

is just a stupid thing to do

1:05:27

and I thought the images Biden doing

1:05:29

an airdrop of food supplies. Now he

1:05:31

made Netanyahu in Israel it's that and

1:05:34

made America class or know a good

1:05:36

so the cemetery Andre how desert with

1:05:38

his same out and is saying that.

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I didn't see anyone nuclear, I think

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the only proportional response to terrorism is

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disproportionate. So. I I do

1:05:49

sainted Netanyahu in Israel need to do

1:05:51

everything they can to to focus on

1:05:53

his immense humanitarian aid of the people

1:05:55

who really are and as innocent victims

1:05:57

here and there are a lot having.

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calls her new elections. I

1:06:07

think all he's doing. That's the definition

1:06:09

of stupid. Because and

1:06:11

again, I'm costly. Talk about this. I

1:06:13

sailed as a professional to discern the

1:06:16

difference between being right, magnus active and

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I think he's not only not you

1:06:20

know whether he's right or not hear

1:06:22

are the majority of Israelis agree with

1:06:24

them. In that. Netanyahu,

1:06:26

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1:06:28

rating. It's. Probably sixty

1:06:30

five today because democracies have no

1:06:33

business telling other democracies is and

1:06:35

when they have elections into the

1:06:37

I lacked. That's not how

1:06:39

would we respond to any other

1:06:41

democracy saying you know, Biden

1:06:44

shouldn't be president's heads as you

1:06:46

should have a is it's not

1:06:48

his place and now is not

1:06:50

his place. He's. Not a sect

1:06:52

of when he does that he killed outside on

1:06:54

the takes him Netanyahu up in the polls. I

1:06:56

don't really does I on the he does. I

1:06:58

think he's in the most staunch supporter of Israel.

1:07:00

Of anybody there and I think when that

1:07:03

it shows when said you know when someone

1:07:05

put falls off just like these from the

1:07:07

Us officials who are that it does it

1:07:09

doesn't It's maybe solidifies the Trump people from

1:07:12

the even more. Rigid. And

1:07:14

they are, but already rigid so it

1:07:16

doesn't matter The rigid supporters. As Netanyahu

1:07:18

I, Netanyahu wants to Kill these people.

1:07:20

That is really. Pretty much the story.

1:07:22

He doesn't want to help aid, Then he

1:07:24

doesn't. He wants them all dead and there's

1:07:26

just no. And I think at some point

1:07:28

people of good conscience have to say so.

1:07:30

And I get I get your point that

1:07:33

it might solidify it. bites for this guy

1:07:35

who's. Been a staunch supporter it

1:07:37

make he's a. Decent different kitty

1:07:39

cat than. You or me or

1:07:41

anybody else criticizing Netanyahu. Netanyahu

1:07:43

has to go past ago and I think

1:07:45

saying it is okay. but go ahead. Go

1:07:48

ahead to make an account on that's not our

1:07:50

decision and also I would just push back and

1:07:52

I apologize. If Netanyahu

1:07:54

overseas and ultimately a six man

1:07:56

and she's of the ideas. And.

1:07:59

As a ratio, As civilians, The

1:08:01

enemy combatants. the idea is actually killing

1:08:03

series civilians for enemy combatants and we

1:08:05

killed in Iraq and the Allies killed

1:08:08

in Japan or Germany. Says Netanyahu's true

1:08:10

goal was quote unquote to kill them

1:08:12

all or genocide. He's. Not

1:08:14

doing a very good job and there's evidence

1:08:17

that just the case that these kids are

1:08:19

starting. it's just not the enemy.sight this again,

1:08:21

see who we can both agree. That.

1:08:24

That Netanyahu for a lottery isn't

1:08:26

should be cooperating with any international

1:08:28

aid and Us rounds. Humanitarian. We.

1:08:31

Can agree. I think of

1:08:33

I rang. I think of Senator Schumer. dirt

1:08:35

did was give Netanyahu of Pop in the

1:08:37

polls. No country wants to be told by

1:08:39

another country. A democratic country when he

1:08:41

should have their elections and his visit. To.

1:08:43

They said a lack and as else gonna get

1:08:46

there on, the Rounders owes a reckoning. after the

1:08:48

Sixty Seven war. Generally. Speaking

1:08:50

mean, he's deeply, deeply

1:08:52

unpopular. With. In Israel, his

1:08:54

whole thing was I have this crazy right

1:08:56

wing coalition that I assembled including bigots on

1:08:59

the Knesset so I could stand power. And.

1:09:02

I in exchange I will keep you safe

1:09:04

and he did not keep them says that

1:09:06

we doing ourselves no favours. Our objective is

1:09:08

to get net yeah office it's not to

1:09:11

tell Israel when it if and when they

1:09:13

said Appalachians. Anyways, My

1:09:15

my when is in I'd say is

1:09:17

this is around India. It's really interesting

1:09:20

and nineteen. Around nineteen

1:09:22

seventy. Check this out! About

1:09:25

sixty percent of Indians lived

1:09:27

in extreme poverty. And.

1:09:29

Especially as of today, extreme poverty

1:09:31

has been eliminated in India. And

1:09:34

while we talk a lot about income

1:09:36

inequality in I did states if he

1:09:38

take the perspective on and look at

1:09:40

the world, it's actually been an error

1:09:43

century than credible equalisation. The really a

1:09:45

some wonderful things going on globally because

1:09:47

of vaccines together, distribution because technology because

1:09:49

of global aid. That. Basis

1:09:51

Amazing to think about. I've always been very

1:09:53

intimidated. India's the important or most populous country

1:09:55

I've never been to, and I've been intimidated

1:09:58

by it. Because

1:10:00

I don't have. I

1:10:02

don't know the term is on. I come across

1:10:04

as empathetic, I don't have the mental strength, and

1:10:06

when I see extreme poverty it is kind of

1:10:08

to state brattle me and pumps me out. So

1:10:10

those minutes emanated. Go to India because I've heard

1:10:12

about x in poverty just overwhelming there. But India

1:10:14

for all that. For. All the

1:10:16

problem say has and the in a

1:10:18

darkened censor on Modi not being a

1:10:21

real democracy interruption there. In. Six

1:10:23

years they have eliminated. They've taken

1:10:25

the majority. The population has suffered

1:10:27

from this disease called extreme poverty.

1:10:29

To. Almost Zero. It's a suits when

1:10:31

said the most populous nation in the

1:10:34

world any much he was my when

1:10:36

is India's elimination of extreme poverty level?

1:10:38

Of course Modi is certainly controversial me

1:10:40

know in terms of how he doesn't

1:10:42

s but that interesting, interesting and at

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my god for signing mean out that

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dictator adjacent psych similar things he's and

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do It's. Am. In any case I deserve

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very good. I like that we disagree that isn't

1:10:53

your on him at him. take his business. Is

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