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It's time for another episode of Patch from the Past

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podcast Matt Smith with Paul Prillo and

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I think we just, Paul, I think we just sort of slipped

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this one under the wire. Let right.

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Absolutely, he's barely

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cold. As far as from the past, I was like, dang,

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from the past already,

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some of them a more recent past, but

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two's always better than one. Devin

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and Jason mccordia are joining with us, joining us. Thank

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you guys for being here. Really appreciate it, no problem.

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And as we're taping this today, we

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are coming almost literally after Devon's

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retirement ceremony. How was

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it? That was awesome? Um?

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And I know, like Stacy text me about

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doing it, and I told Stacey, I was like, yeah, man, if if

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it'll help you, I'll do it. Um.

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But it was for me it was awesome because

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so many people played a major part in my career.

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And I think oftentimes for players,

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like we always get honored for certain things.

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But I think being able to do that press conference

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got me to highlight some people who

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meant a lot to to my career.

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Obviously you know building mister Kraft,

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but also my mom, my wife, um,

1:11

other people in this building. Like Donna

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Robin and Miss Nancy who don't you know they

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never really get recognized for how

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much they do for us as player. So, um,

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I just love being able to do that. You didn't say

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your twin brother. I didn't mean, I didn't mention you,

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you know, but um, he may have been

1:27

the MVP of that ceremony. Talk about it.

1:29

Uncle Jason was on it. Talk Oh yeah,

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I mean uncle Jason was. I would

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tell, but I would

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tell anybody like he's doing a good job on TV,

1:38

but if they want to hire him to be a nanny, he'd

1:40

be off incredible the more you can

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do. My wife is very proud of the

1:44

man that she has molded me into, so I

1:47

know if she's listening, she's smiling. Just let

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everybody know that's three children were

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there, and I think it was the youngest one, right,

1:53

Yeah, Chase, you

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were doing some chasing. He was active exactly,

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and Jason was was tasked

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with that duty. But just

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absolutely adorable kids. Thank you, ridiculously

2:05

adorable Jason. How important

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was it for you to be here for this very important

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I've been up since about four thirty in the morning.

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Uh did the show this morning? Good Morning

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Football? On NFL Network. There goes my shameless

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plug. And then after

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that, me and my my middle

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child, my son Kaden. He took

2:24

off a day of school and he got to come and hang out

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at the studio and then we jumped in the car and

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headed up here for me And to be

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honest, I've never been to a retirement ceremony.

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I've been on four different teams, and you

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typically throughout my career, you don't have guys

2:38

that play on one team for this long and mean,

2:41

uh this much to one organization. So

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I didn't really know what I was walking into and

2:46

being able to sit there in the front row and

2:48

watch highlights from the very start

2:50

of Death's career, him there

2:52

talking about he can't pronounce the name of the tight

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end, and I don't. I don't

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remember that I came.

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That's a pretty good line. That was

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when I was like, did I not know Gronkowski?

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But I'm like, after I got drafted out, I wasn't

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paying attention. I was hyped. I just remember

3:09

some big tight end got drafted, So I'm

3:12

not even gonna try to say his last name. And then

3:14

just hearing the picture perfect

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answers he had, like I just want to come in. I

3:19

just want to help the team. And if you interview him

3:21

now, he says none of those things. It is

3:23

these quirky responses. He's trying to make you

3:25

laugh. So just seeing his maturation

3:27

throughout the process and being able to

3:29

sit there and hear mister Kraft and

3:31

hear Bill speak about him and talk

3:34

about visiting him at Rutgers and just

3:36

the lens that everybody in this organization

3:39

sees him through. It was awesome obviously

3:41

to be a part of her for three years and witness it

3:43

up close, and that thing now on

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this given day where you don't always give a chance

3:47

to highlight people and give him their

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flowers, hearing everybody speak about Dev,

3:52

to see his kids go up there, his wife,

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my mom, it was it was really special.

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I know my older brother I was back at

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home. He was texting because he was watching it.

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And those are the people kind of my mom and my older

4:03

brother throughout our entire lives that have pushed

4:05

us and Dev telling that story

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about Boston College. He still has

4:09

a chip on his shoulder about something. He's

4:11

like every other NFL player, you find

4:14

some type of doubt to motivate you and push you

4:16

saw. I was an honor to be able to be here and witness

4:18

it. We're gonna get to be seen a second. But I just one more

4:20

fall upon the retirement. You were

4:22

probably at Sweet Feats back

4:25

in August or whenever that was Kafeezy,

4:28

you remember that one. I remember light So you're

4:30

like city, They're going, oh, yeah, well this is great on that White,

4:33

Kevin Fox. These are all great Patriots,

4:35

James White, woll And

4:37

you sort of said it today like it seemed

4:39

like you were blown it, like their coaching staffs

4:42

there, all these players who were working out

4:44

and everything like that. That's how important

4:46

you were to them. Yeah, that's got to blow

4:48

you away. It is crazy because,

4:51

like James White, should just happened before the season.

4:54

You know. But when I was younger and

4:56

I went to I think the first one I went to was

4:58

k fault Um, and I spoken

5:00

today about what what uh

5:03

Fezi meant to me and how he helped me

5:05

when I was young. But when I went

5:07

to his, I was like, yeah, a lot of people like

5:09

I know what he did for me. He's done that for a long

5:11

time. Fourteen years. When I went to Vince's,

5:14

same thing Ninko, same thing. Um,

5:17

you just don't. You don't put yourself in that

5:19

place because, for one, that means it's the end. So

5:21

when you're playing, you don't. You don't like to

5:23

think about the end like that. Um.

5:26

But for as many guys that come, like

5:28

we're at the end of towards the end of March, like

5:30

there's no guys really here, and UM,

5:33

I think for them just to take the opportunity

5:35

to come here and just listen to me one more time,

5:38

um, after they had to listen to me for you know, so

5:40

long. Uh, it's been an honor. And

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I think mostly I'll

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miss that. I'll miss the everyday interaction

5:47

like I obviously keep in touch with guys, but that

5:50

every day without any effort, getting

5:52

an opportunity to talk, laugh and joke. Um,

5:55

I won't have that anymore. And that's what I missed between

5:58

the players and the coaches, of just being able to

6:00

do that throughout my career. So you've been

6:02

obviously such a big part of this

6:04

community and this organization for so long.

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Matt and I feel like we know a lot of the stuff. We

6:10

both left that that that ceremony

6:12

today and the first thing we talked about. Was that story

6:14

that you guys just touched on with with Boston

6:17

College And I didn't know any of that

6:19

stuff that was that public? Should

6:22

I find that really interesting? I just from

6:25

from the perspective of the two guys that were involved,

6:27

I'd like you to tell that story a little bit because I don't

6:29

think that's common knowledge. And it was really

6:31

really interesting that the school

6:33

one school would come at one of you.

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I just thought that was really fascinating. Like, like Paul

6:38

and I Areston were walking out of it, wouldn't you

6:41

just because you're a nice person, go okay,

6:43

the other twin can't play, but you know what will

6:45

play? Kate him just to make him feel

6:47

good that we're here and give him five minutes. But we really

6:49

want the other believe

6:52

that. That's why that was stuck. So honestly,

6:54

when we came out New Hampshire

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offered both of us. Kent Stay

6:59

offered him, offer me, um

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BC offered him, wouldn't offer me, and Rutgers

7:04

offered him first um

7:06

before they offered me, but Rutgers decided

7:08

to invite me on the official visit. When

7:10

they came to our house, they sat with both

7:12

of us, UM So for me,

7:15

it was the fact that Um, Tom

7:17

O'Brien and BC came. I

7:19

love how you keep saying his name too, because I

7:21

don't so, And I'll tell you why. It's not well

7:23

known. When

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Tom O'Brien came and they spoke to him,

7:28

UM, I wasn't like allowed,

7:31

Like obviously I could have went, but it was kind

7:33

of like, well, we don't really need you in this meeting.

7:36

UM. And for me, when Rutgers came

7:38

and coach Rizzi and Coachiano

7:40

came, they had us both in there, and

7:43

whether they really wanted me at that moment, I

7:45

don't think so because they didn't offer me at that

7:47

moment, but they still allowed me to be

7:49

a part of the process of the recruiting

7:52

of talking to me UM, And I thought

7:54

like that was like common sense, Like I'm

7:56

a seventeen year old kid, Like there's no

7:58

reason to try to make me feel worse about

8:01

not getting a scholarship. Um. The BC

8:03

stuck with me for that reason, like you live in a small

8:06

house, like I'm sitting on a basically on the other

8:08

end of that wall, not hearing it.

8:10

But why I never like bashed

8:12

them with talking about it, because like

8:14

I didn't think it would have been fair for like me,

8:17

the position I had as a Patriot to talk about

8:19

the school and whoever the coach would

8:21

have been, like right now, coach Halfley's there, and I like coach

8:23

Halfley. I like, you know, I like their staff.

8:26

I've been there. Um. So I never

8:28

wanted to like make it seem like I didn't like them

8:30

and put negative press because

8:32

all my hard feelings and I laughing

8:35

joke now I say hard feelings towards time over, like

8:37

I get it, you're recruiting guys, You're gonna miss

8:39

on guys. Um. But it all came full

8:41

circle his senior year. My reshhurt.

8:44

Junior year, we played NC State in the bowl game,

8:46

coach by Tim O'Brien, who left Boston

8:49

College shortly after we've

8:51

visited. I get the

8:53

interception that seals the game. I

8:55

threw my wolf pack up, started celebrating

8:58

because other a former Patriot

9:01

not a long time but taekwon. Underwood

9:03

also had a best friend, Rich Gannelle,

9:05

who committed and played at BC. They

9:08

were high school teammates, both stars of a team

9:11

BC also wouldn't offer him,

9:13

and he blocked a punt that game. Or picked up a block

9:15

punt, So we enjoyed

9:18

that moment for us kind of

9:20

like you were wrong. So, I

9:22

mean we were talking about this, Devin. Everybody

9:24

needs a little something to score them on. Not everybody's

9:27

a five star recruit. Not everybody

9:30

is you know, parade All American or whatever,

9:32

And you might need something to motivate you. The

9:35

fact that this guy's in your house and

9:37

he's not choosing to speak with you as

9:39

an eighteen year old kid. You

9:41

can take that with you to your twenty two, twenty

9:43

three, twenty four, and that fire keeps burning.

9:46

Yeah, I mean, and then then you get drafted

9:48

to the Patriots. So now it's like,

9:50

man, the school that's right in the backyard,

9:53

Like how cool would have been? Because

9:55

I think there is a chance that we both got offered by

9:57

BC, that you know, if we came on a

9:59

visit to together instead of just him coming on his

10:01

visit, there's a chance that we might have liked. And

10:03

I remember thinking that when I got drafted, like

10:06

Dan, i'd probably been pretty cool. Like if I would

10:08

have went to BC and got drafted as like a

10:10

first round or to the New England Patriots,

10:12

like that would have been because I think about all the kids

10:14

now that come out of BC, and oh, so many articles

10:17

get written like, man, the Patriots has signed

10:19

him, or the patriot should draft him from BC. But

10:22

I mean, again, it's a part of the story that

10:25

at the time I was really angry about, but

10:27

it's a part of like the reason I'm here today

10:29

as well. So I got to enjoyed. And I think

10:31

on top of that, it doesn't just stop

10:33

with BC. Like Dev had a chip on his shoulder

10:36

even when it came to Rutgers, and I remember,

10:38

like he said, I got offered first, and then he got

10:40

offered when one of our official visit and

10:42

we had a high school teammate that was already

10:44

at Rutgers, Ron Girault, who

10:46

coach Shanno went to and was like, Hey, what's

10:48

the difference between these two, because we've

10:51

already offered Jason and we're still recruiting

10:53

Death. He was like, they're the same player. Devon

10:56

just got hurt their senior year, so Jason

10:58

seems like he had a better year that year, and

11:00

that's when Rutgers finally decided to offer

11:02

dev So even once Dev got drafted,

11:05

he still had like this chip on his shoulder life.

11:07

Wow. I always remind you

11:11

offered me just to get my brother, and I

11:13

got here and I had to prove to you guys that I was just as

11:16

good. So, um, like I said, he's he's

11:18

always had that chip and he plays with it. And I

11:20

think kind of credit Tom O'Brien

11:22

because this guys played thirteen years at an extremely

11:25

high level. Yeah, I mean that was one of the things that we were

11:27

talking about. I was like, I mean, they're they're twins.

11:30

They both played for a long time in the National

11:32

Football even had a lot of success. How different

11:34

could they have been as seventeen eighteen year

11:36

old players? And that makes sense that you got

11:38

you got banged up because you had a red

11:40

shirt, and Jason you didn't. That's why you would draft

11:43

it first, right, you played the year before,

11:45

right. Yeah, if only if only Robert Craft

11:47

and Bill Belichick would have drafted maybe I would have had

11:52

I think about it. But I mean, you know, and

11:54

I don't. I'm gonna guess you don't harbord any

11:56

kind of villa, not at all, No, I know, but like

11:58

it's not unusual you're human to think

12:00

about that, right, Yeah, for sure? And I

12:02

think That's the beauty about each

12:05

and every guy that has a career or whatever

12:07

your journey is, because it's unique to just

12:09

you. And I think my journey

12:12

helped Dev along the way because

12:14

my rookie year in the league I

12:16

go to the Tennessee Titans under Jeff Fisher

12:18

and he gets drafted a year later under Bill

12:20

Belichick and the Patriots, and the

12:22

way they ran their two organizations couldn't

12:25

be any more different. So Dev senior

12:27

year, the entire time, I'm telling them this is what

12:29

the NFL is like, this is how we do

12:31

things, this, that and the third and then the next

12:33

year he's like, you lie to me. The NFL

12:36

there's nothing like what you just describe.

12:38

And once he got here, I was like, I definitely

12:40

get it. And obviously for our path

12:42

to be able to come together nine years later

12:45

we both when I got a chance to come to New

12:47

England, I think it made it that much better

12:49

that my journey kind of went around about

12:51

way to lead us back to each other. So Dev, I'll

12:54

tie the knot on the time, O'Brien. Thing for you.

12:57

I had a chance, you know, from my high school, every

12:59

high school here in Massachusetts, I spoke yet

13:01

our varsity club banquet as

13:03

as you know, one of the award guys for

13:06

alumni and Tom O'Brien was

13:08

one of the speakers that night too, And it's

13:11

kind of a low key, you know, it's not an

13:13

overly formal events of this. Sometimes

13:15

you're talking and people are still eating

13:17

and the clanking of the glasses, like you

13:19

don't have everybody's attention. Tom

13:21

O'Brien didn't like that. Tom

13:23

O'Brian was very upset. He's like finger pointing

13:26

people and telling people to stop talking as

13:28

he's talking. I was like, I was

13:30

like, Wow, what a hardassy. What are we doing

13:32

here? So that's like tision Tom

13:34

O'Brien, He's not I don't think you've spoke them

13:36

back at every either. I've always

13:39

had a lot of every high school players over the years, so that

13:42

you haven't had a long to really think about it because

13:44

you just made this decision. Um, if

13:47

you look back at the thirteen years and I'm

13:49

going to put the pressure on you, is there you know the highlight

13:51

of your career is it the eighteen

13:54

season and how that season ended, being

13:56

able to play with your brother and to cap it off

13:58

with the Super Bowl Championshi, Yeah, no do I

14:00

I had to pick one season, Um,

14:03

it would be that season. Um. Not

14:05

only because we won another championship and

14:07

it was with him, but it was the way that

14:09

season was, like him at

14:11

the end of training camp, everyone wondering if he's

14:13

gonna get cut or make the team. Um.

14:16

And then you know, we beat Houston

14:18

Week one, we go and get absolutely destroyed

14:21

by Jacksonville on the road in Jacksonville,

14:23

then go on the road to Detroit Sunday night football,

14:26

get destroyed again, win some

14:28

games, Miami miracle. Um.

14:30

Then you know, I think, yeah,

14:33

we kind of reset after the Miami miracles,

14:36

like we need to go win this game in Pittsburgh. We

14:38

go down to Pittsburgh and lose again, play

14:40

a good game and lose to win

14:42

to win the division that week, and then it

14:44

kind of turned into like, oh damn, Like

14:47

we just lost two games in December, like

14:49

that's not what we do here. Like and

14:51

I still vividly remember Bill coming

14:54

in and we had the Jets and Bills

14:56

Bills, I don't remember which order, but those

14:58

two and he comes in, he we got nothing

15:01

but playoff games left. If we do what we're supposed

15:03

to do. Everything will work out, and sure

15:05

enough we go win the two games, Houston loses,

15:08

we end up with a buy in the first round of two

15:10

seed, and then you know, we

15:12

go to Kansas City. We beat Kansas

15:15

City on the road first time I think since

15:17

it was oh four, maybe that the

15:19

team had won on the road in the AFC Championship

15:22

Game. And then we go and

15:24

have a Super Bowl that was total opposite

15:27

of the year before. We couldn't stop it. We couldn't

15:29

stop Philly at all as a defense the

15:31

year before, So to go have that performance,

15:34

I always look at that year was like the most up

15:37

and downs. But I was an

15:39

older player. I was like even more of a veteran

15:41

then because there were no other guys that count

15:44

on, Like there were no Vincent and Gerard,

15:46

Like, I didn't have those guys on defense. So

15:49

to be able to have that team

15:51

and you know, myself high

15:54

being like those guys that were here for

15:57

a long period of time leading that group was

15:59

a lot of fun. Man. And then this guy

16:01

made the story just so much better because

16:03

his energy and everyone

16:06

wanted to give him so much credit of like, man,

16:08

you deserve this. You're finally and how

16:10

he just kept telling people like, why do I deserve

16:13

this more than anybody else? Like, yeah, I

16:15

worked hard, but like there's a ton of guys in the

16:17

NFL that worked hard. So I

16:19

thought we had a great mix of guys like Damn

16:21

Danny Shelton, they went in sixteen

16:23

the year before, like they were back. They want

16:25

our team about there playing a super Bowl game after

16:27

going owen sixteen. So

16:29

I just thought we had so many cool storylines

16:31

from individuals, but ultimately,

16:34

like that team to me was

16:36

just a great story. I can only imagine

16:38

what your mom thinks when

16:41

she sees the video at the end of

16:43

the Kansas City game, because when I look at it, even

16:45

we all stop. I mean I still get

16:47

almost choked up about it when I see it, like because

16:49

it's surreal and here's

16:52

two kids who probably did that in

16:54

your backyard or on the playground at school

16:56

and everything, and it happened. And I know

16:58

you got to close the deal because it would have

17:00

shocked yea if we do right,

17:04

But how amazing was

17:06

that moment? Oh, it was awesome and you

17:09

said we did it. Growing up, I can remember

17:11

getting ready for Sunday Pop Warner games

17:13

and me and Dev would go outside on

17:16

the pavement and start throwing the ball and we'd

17:18

go over all of our plays that we were going

17:20

to run later on in the game, just to prepare

17:23

ourselves. And now from that

17:25

moment waking up Sunday morning to now

17:27

fast forwarding years later, now we're waking

17:29

up on a Sunday morning and we're walking

17:31

into a stadium getting ready to play in the Super

17:33

Bowl. That he's done. This was his fifth

17:36

time being in this game. And I think the

17:38

best moment wasn't on the field

17:40

after the game. It was in the locker room as we're

17:42

going and we're passing around then FC Championship

17:44

trophy and now we're talking

17:46

about going to the game. And for

17:49

me, it was so surreal. And I said it when

17:52

I was holding the trophy. This is the first time I

17:54

get to go to the game on my own accord and

17:56

I'm not hitting Dev up to figure out

17:58

the logistics and taking care of the family,

18:00

but I'm actually getting invited to

18:02

the game. So for me, it was truly

18:04

special. Dev knows the Super

18:07

Bowl in Houston. I never know the numbers the Super

18:09

Bowl in Houston. I was, yeah,

18:12

they're all the same to me, other than fifty three try

18:14

having to write about it. Yeah, I don't

18:17

remember ever. I can only imagine the hardship

18:19

these guys go through having to write about Super Bowl. That's

18:25

tough life. So

18:28

it was just it was remarkable and I

18:30

think to be able to go through it all and

18:32

obviously have him alongside

18:34

me. But I just remember being in that locker room

18:36

like I'm finally getting a chance to go

18:38

and as I was saying, the Super Bowl in Houston, I

18:40

remember leading up to when they won the AFC

18:42

Championship game, I remember saying to my wife, h

18:45

I'm not going to the super Bowl this year. It was

18:47

just like at that point, it wasn't

18:49

jealousy, but there was some envy within it of

18:51

we're both in the same sport each and

18:54

every year. I work my ass off all

18:56

off season, to the point where me and Dev

18:58

would be training sometimes and he'd be like too,

19:00

like there's no need

19:02

to do this, Like this isn't this isn't the reason

19:04

you're not getting there. You're just killing yourself

19:07

and just trying so hard. Because I was

19:09

on the field in Arizona when he won that game

19:12

and I got a chance to witness it as his twin

19:14

brother, and it was awesome, and I was just like, I want

19:16

to take this back to Tennessee and I want to get to this

19:18

game. I remember when he made it to the Super Bow.

19:20

I was like, I'm not I'm not going to the game. Like was

19:23

you busting your balls or was he being cherish

19:25

about this? No, he was as far as working

19:27

why are you working so hard it you're not gonna happen. Yeah. And

19:29

I don't say that from the standpoint because I mean, anybody

19:32

that's been around us guy, he's one of the hardest working

19:34

guys in this sport. And he was saying it

19:36

to me of just like there's a certain

19:38

level where it's like are you working harder or

19:40

working smart? It was just like this isn't necessary

19:43

to continue to improve and get better. So I

19:45

remember then it was probably like the Monday

19:48

of the Super Bowl and I said to my wife, I was

19:50

like, ah, I gotta go. And we had just

19:52

had a son, and I end up taking my

19:54

daughter with me, who was I think three at the time,

19:56

and flying out to Houston. As

19:58

much as I kind of was going

20:01

through stuff on my own head of wanting to be in that

20:03

game, I was like, I can't miss this, Like this

20:05

is this is too important. And I had

20:07

a blast down at the game, and as always, I hosted

20:09

the family, taking them out to eat, handling tickets

20:12

and all of those other things so DEVI could focus

20:14

on the game. So it was a long

20:16

journey and a long process. So to finally get

20:18

to that Super Bowl twenty eighteen,

20:20

it was just it was so surreal awesome. The

20:23

Kansas City game to me, you know, just

20:26

we don't necessarily talk a lot about the memories of

20:29

the actual games because everybody knows the highlights,

20:31

but that game to me stood

20:33

out. I mean, I've been here over twenty years.

20:36

That to me still is my favorite

20:38

game just to have watched. Yeah,

20:40

just the amount of tension in that second half

20:42

that you guys were playing through on both

20:45

sides of the ball. You shut them down completely

20:47

for one half and now we're holding on for delighting

20:50

in the second half. Three

20:52

game earlier in the season, right right

20:54

right. I remember sitting on the bench at the end

20:56

of that game and we end up winning forty

20:59

forty three. Ste kicks the kick and we

21:01

win the game, and we're sitting there as a defense

21:03

and durn Harmon, Devin mccordy,

21:06

Patrick Chong, Gilmore, Jon

21:08

Jones there sitting on the bench and everybody has

21:10

like this look on their face because we just

21:13

gave up forty points. I'm like, what the hell

21:15

is wrong with y'all? We just won the game.

21:17

I don't care if we gave up sixty. You know how many of these

21:19

games I've been a part of where like the offense

21:21

gets the ball and you're just like, we have no shot. We

21:24

actually went down and won the game, and I remember

21:26

that we laughed about that moment after because

21:28

like he kind of started off with me, Danny Shelton,

21:30

Josh Gordon, we were all on that team

21:32

that didn't win a game the year before, And not

21:35

only that, I was on the Titans team that was two and fourteen,

21:37

that was three and thirteen. So my perspective

21:39

on would admitt to win a game and how hard it

21:42

was was totally different to a lot of the guys

21:44

that have been around here. So you take that game

21:46

and then you fast forward to the playoff game and

21:48

Bill kind of hit on all the exits and oals of probably

21:51

were able to win that game. And I think that's what was cool because

21:53

I think in twenty eighteen, our secondary

21:55

became a weapon

21:57

for us from the standpoint of we

22:00

didn't need a lot of direct rules

22:02

from the coaching staff on how we want to do things,

22:04

Like he said, like stopping Tyreek

22:07

Hill turned into me and John

22:09

Jones talking about where he lined

22:11

up, how I thought he should play, how he thought,

22:13

and like we literally would watch

22:16

film and be like, oh, I think you should be here. They us

22:18

do this all right, if they bring Hardman and they

22:20

put them both here, we're gonna do this. And that

22:22

continue from twenty eighteen nineteen,

22:25

Like anytime we played this team, we would

22:27

have like these rules and things we

22:29

would do that. If you ask the coaching staff,

22:31

they'd be like, yeah, I think they're playing like

22:34

this, because but it was really just our unit

22:36

that was dictating and doing things like

22:38

that. So that was also a cool

22:40

moment because we had grown as a group.

22:43

You know, Jay Jones got here in sixteen, Steph

22:46

in seventeen, myself,

22:48

Do and Chung had been here playing

22:50

together since all of us playing

22:53

a lot since twenty fourteen, So

22:55

adding him in eighteen and

22:57

I felt like because he was my twin brother, like it

23:00

didn't feel like a new guy. And an e row

23:02

was here. We had a group that had now

23:04

had like two or three years playing together.

23:07

Added a young guy like J. C. Jackson was

23:09

just a straight out playmaker. We

23:11

were able to do things in that secondary That

23:13

for me was the first time that

23:16

wasn't like mandated by Bill. It was kind

23:18

of like if you come to the sideline and something

23:20

looks wrong you but I have a good reason why you did

23:22

it. And he said I remember him

23:24

saying to me, like, I want you to do with your things

23:26

best because nine out of ten times I'm

23:29

gonna agree with what you want to do, so I'd rather

23:31

just go do it on the field.

23:33

And like since then it

23:36

was just like, all right, we have some ownership of

23:38

how we want to do certain things. Let's just go do

23:40

it. So that's interesting perspective right there, because

23:42

I think the fan, the neo, fight

23:44

the outsider. I look at fourteen,

23:47

okay, and so I get seduced maybe

23:49

by vas Okay, Browner,

23:52

Okay, that was good that you guys are younger

23:54

and everything like that, But maybe you

23:56

didn't have the experience in fourteen. Maybe

23:59

you guys are just going off of tremendous

24:02

ability, great numbers.

24:04

Chandler was on that team, so you know have the

24:06

pass rush to go with it a little bit as well. But

24:09

now you've got the experience that you gained from all

24:12

those different battles that you went through so

24:14

that you can do the things which more us most

24:16

is like I know what we're doing here, like

24:18

Tom says all the time, I know the answer

24:20

to the test before you give it to me. So is that maybe

24:22

the difference between that fourteen secondary

24:25

and the eighteen So definitely for me, now

24:27

that fourteen secondary was good like

24:30

you said me Chung Duran, but

24:33

from a corner depth wise, like Malcolm

24:35

Butler was our sixth corner right, Like we had Alfonso

24:37

Dinner, Kyle Arranton, Logan, Ryan

24:40

Reeves Brown, like we had so many

24:42

good players. But that was like that was

24:44

year five for me. So yeah, I

24:46

was like I was understanding how to play the game.

24:48

I was playing probably some of my better football

24:50

in my career. But when you talk about

24:52

being a leader and like running things

24:54

from a team standpoint, Mayo

24:57

and Vince did that, Like I controlled

25:00

where we need to line up in the secondary, what

25:02

we needed to do, from what coach

25:04

said the game plan was I was gonna make sure

25:06

we got to execute the game plan. The difference

25:08

in eighteen was this is the game

25:11

plan, but this is how we're gonna win the game.

25:13

Yeah, stick to the game plan, but also

25:15

if you need to change some things and do things

25:17

differently, go, like, don't

25:20

worry about what any coach is gonna say.

25:22

It was like, we trust you just as much as

25:24

we trust a coach telling you to do something. So

25:26

if you see it, go do it. And in fourteen

25:29

I didn't have that kind of confidence yet um

25:31

to do that. And you know, I think that's what made

25:33

eighteen special for me. Yeah,

25:36

you would ownership at and that's the difference.

25:39

Yeah, Like in fourteen it was like we

25:41

were all good, Like those guys came

25:43

here because they were good, um, And I

25:45

saw it as that, like, man, I just want

25:47

those guys that feel welcome, whereas

25:49

an eighteen I felt more like, all

25:51

right, those guys all ready to go, but

25:54

like I gotta be the captain of this. I gotta help

25:56

these guys understand how we want to play.

25:58

And it wasn't a like I'm a top of the mountain

26:00

better than you, but it was like, hey, if

26:02

I if I can lead this, and

26:05

then everybody else will fill

26:07

in and due their roles. Like no one challenged

26:09

me more in our room, in our secondary room than him.

26:11

And it wasn't like we're about to break out and fist

26:14

fight. It was like, no, I'll tell you why I'm right,

26:16

and he's like, I'll tell you why you're wrong. And we

26:18

go back and forth and then we go in the locker room and laugh

26:20

about it because we challenged each other that way.

26:23

And I think that's what made that team

26:25

so special because we were all a lot of us

26:27

were around the same age, and then we had a couple of young

26:29

guys like it was just a great mesh of

26:32

guys um that I thought came together to

26:34

build something that wasn't establishing

26:36

and beginning like fourteen, when those guys

26:38

came, it was like you better, you better win the Super

26:41

Bowl, Like you just put two Pro Bowl

26:43

players from another team on your team,

26:45

Rievas and Browner, Like you

26:48

need to go win. So it was a

26:50

little different, but it was. I mean, it was still

26:52

so much fun. That's my second it was it was

26:54

my first ever win UM, so that

26:56

was definitely special too. When did you

26:58

recognize a moment like you talked about when

27:00

you came in guys like Kevin Falk and advancing

27:03

those guys, and you mentioned Vincent

27:05

Gerrard sort of ran that too. Did

27:08

you recognize the moment that you turned into that guy?

27:11

Did you sort of understand it? You

27:13

know, because they were going in that transition, they

27:15

were gone. And I keep saying that, like everyone

27:17

talks about the future of this team from a leadership standpoint,

27:20

and I've told I've told Doug

27:22

that, I've told bit

27:25

not as much because Ben already kind of does that,

27:27

but I've told some of the younger players. I was like, you're gonna

27:30

look around and the

27:32

guys that you saw doing things will be

27:34

gone. So that means the only other

27:36

person that can do what is you, Or

27:38

you let somebody that doesn't understand or see

27:41

what you've you've seen and how

27:43

it's supposed to be done, you let them take over. I

27:45

said, But then you have to think about do you want to live

27:47

in a world where because I don't want

27:49

to do what I let somebody's doing, I let them do it wrong.

27:52

So for me, twenty

27:54

fifteen to twenty sixteen

27:57

really is like the mesh

27:59

of some newer guys. But it was like me and

28:01

Hi. Hi had been here since two and

28:04

twelve, Me since twenty ten. I

28:07

thought had to be more vocal, and Hi

28:09

had to take a little time to fall into

28:12

his Like if you ever get to know Hi, he like

28:14

rebels against everything that he knows. He is

28:16

like he never wanted to be a captain, even though he

28:18

was like the ultimate captain, got voted all the time.

28:21

Um but I thought we all kind

28:23

of looked up and everyone filled a role

28:25

like Chung was never super vocal,

28:28

U, but Chung was a leader in

28:30

his way of being tough, being tough and

28:32

filling every role along the defense,

28:35

safety, linebacker, corner like he did

28:37

everything. Um So I always look back,

28:40

you know, between myself, Chung and

28:44

and Hi of really deciding

28:46

like, all right, we gotta be the next wave of leaders

28:48

of this group. I can remember Mayo saying

28:50

it where he was coming back in the building

28:53

and he said he'd come back and he was just like, who

28:55

the hell is this mcquarity, Like dev never

28:57

spoke as much when I was on the team, and I think that

28:59

speaks what he's saying. You didn't have to because

29:01

there was a guy doing that. I think now he's moving

29:04

on, guys will definitely speak up more

29:06

because anybody that's played with Dev he's wanted the allowest

29:08

people in the building. Never shuts up, so some

29:11

are But we like

29:13

that, right, He's

29:16

right, we do, and so do the fans, And

29:18

so the fans now see a side of Devin mccordy.

29:20

He's the guy in the huddle every single week. He's

29:23

very vocal, hits something very important

29:25

and generally pretty poignant to say

29:27

at that point in time. But that

29:29

can be overrated and I think bill Ian

29:31

you sort of mentioned that a little bit today. You know, world's

29:34

filled with big mouse you know, it's

29:36

a kind of leadership that might get

29:38

you. We don't know what you're doing behind the scenes.

29:41

It's picking a guy up, like you're saying something's

29:43

going wrong with their family, you know, or

29:45

maybe he's got, you know, something in their personal

29:47

life. That's the kind of leadership. Those

29:50

are the guys that you probably gravitate

29:52

to, like this guy's got

29:54

my back and I don't need to hear

29:56

all the you know, rab Rossiskumba

29:59

nice, get me wrong and love this stuff. But

30:01

it's the other stuff that really really

30:03

shows you who the real leaders are. Is that right? Just

30:07

as an example, throughout my entire

30:09

career, I gave the same pregame speech that Dev

30:11

did every single game, whether I was in

30:13

Tennessee, whether I was in Cleveland, did

30:16

it once I left here in New England, and I did

30:18

it in Miami as well. And I would

30:20

argue that I gave a better pregame speech every

30:22

single Sunday than Devin mccordy.

30:25

But we didn't win games. No one cares

30:27

what you're saying when you don't win games.

30:29

And I could be a great leader, give

30:31

a great pregame speech, team could just not

30:33

be as talented as a team across from us, and

30:36

we don't win the game, and no one is gonna say,

30:38

like, wow, he's a great leader. Did you hear the

30:40

pregame speech he made before the game. But

30:42

when you go out there and you hear the

30:44

words that Dev says before the Super

30:46

Bowl fifty three and he talks about iron and Shopper

30:49

and iron and picking up your brother, and then you go

30:51

out there and win the game. And then you have Coach

30:53

Belichick after the game and you ask him about this

30:55

guy that you perceive as a leader because

30:57

what he's saying before the game, and you hear Coach

31:00

Belichick talk about what he does during the course

31:02

of the week, or you hear a Steve Belichick

31:04

talk about the fact that he wears the green dot and

31:06

he's controlling what the defense here is from

31:08

the coaching staff, or you hear Robert

31:10

Kraft talk about the work that he does in the community

31:13

for the past thirteen years of his career, or

31:15

you hear one of his teammates talk about, Hey,

31:18

in this moment in the game, we were feeling this, or

31:20

something happened like in the Super Bowl where

31:23

we don't get to a play. He yells over to me, Jada,

31:25

are going to come back to that play and make sure you're ready

31:27

for it. That's when it all comes full circling.

31:29

You're like, Wow, it's not the moment

31:31

before the game where he yells and he screams and the

31:34

veins popping out of his forehead. It's all

31:36

the six different touch points that everybody's

31:38

saying about him that makes him pat

31:40

the Patriot, the ultimate team leader.

31:42

And I think with him, he just had the total

31:45

package and the next the next group of

31:47

leaders on his young team may come in different

31:49

forms of fashion, and maybe the vocal guy

31:51

and then behind the scenes guy. I don't know if you

31:53

replace a devil mccordy with one

31:55

single leader. I

31:57

can only imagine

32:00

that you put your mother through growing up because I

32:02

barely know you. Guys. Donn't see how competitive

32:04

you are. Who's drinking water fastest, who's

32:06

good whatever? You guys are uber competitive

32:09

with each other. It's legit when

32:12

you see what happens for him today, that you were able to

32:14

be a part of it, you know, and all

32:16

the bs aside about I'm better than you, I'm

32:18

gonna make more money than you and TV. No, I'm gonna

32:20

make more money than you and TV. How

32:23

proud of you were to be able to say, wow, one team

32:25

thirteen years, look at what all you accomplished,

32:27

and it must make you feel great

32:30

as a brother. Yeah, he doubled my salary

32:32

in the NFL, so I have to make more on TV. But

32:37

it's so special it's hard to put it into words.

32:40

The fact that I can walk

32:42

in this building and shake hands with

32:44

so many people and laugh and

32:46

joke. Buill doesn't make that trade

32:49

or go and get me. If Devin's not here. I

32:51

truly believe that I had

32:53

a good career before I got here. I'm

32:56

on TV because it had three years that I spent

32:58

here in annoying the Patriots. Half

33:00

the time. When I'm out, if somebody recognizes

33:03

me, they think I played for the Patriots for ten plus

33:05

years, and they asked me how many rings did

33:07

I win while I was here, because they have no

33:09

idea that Dev was the one here for

33:11

thirteen years and I was just here as a pit

33:13

stop along my career. So when

33:16

you talk about how proud I am,

33:18

I'm extremely proud to be able to

33:21

not only watch Dev, but to be a witness

33:23

of a not only his playing career, but his entire

33:26

life. When I got here, it was one thing

33:28

to learn about who he was in the building, in the

33:30

way everybody perceived him. And he's right because

33:32

in the meeting rooms, no one felt like they could

33:34

say he was wrong about something. I had no problem

33:36

saying that. But beyond

33:38

just the exit and OLS. On Tuesdays,

33:41

I would be waking up at seven am

33:43

on our off day because we'd be driving

33:45

into Boston to do something social

33:47

justice related or something community related

33:50

that he was leading the charge on and those

33:52

were the things that get spoken

33:54

about, but they sometimes can't go unmentioned.

33:56

And he was a catalyst behind a lot

33:59

of things done off the field as well.

34:01

So for me it was special to watch him

34:03

up there today during his retirement

34:06

ceremony. But like you said, to be in

34:08

this building for three years, to witness

34:10

winning the Super Bowl our first year to

34:13

my last year here, his first time

34:15

not making the playoffs, and that spectrum

34:18

and the scale of those

34:20

things, and we laughed about it that twenty

34:22

twenty season because it was chaos. Obviously,

34:24

there was COVID, Tom had just left,

34:27

Cam came in and I remember the

34:29

year we won the Super Bowl. It was the

34:32

most games he had lost in his season,

34:34

it was five games. It was the most

34:36

I had ever won. It was double digits for the first time

34:38

in my career. He did, he

34:40

definitely did. And then I won him a super Bowl that Craft

34:42

mentioned, so I got I gotta make sure I send

34:44

that check to Craft for that. And

34:48

I remember laughing with him at the end of that

34:50

season because in

34:52

New England a lot of people don't realize

34:54

it, but even throughout losing seasons,

34:57

there's moments of laughter. There's moments of joy.

34:59

You find the way to get through the adversity, and

35:01

it builds the relationships amongst the guys.

35:04

And I remember saying to Dev at the end of that

35:06

season, I told you, losing sucks, but it's

35:08

not that bad because as we went through that season

35:10

and he didn't make the playoffs, he was going through it

35:12

and I was happy to be here to be able

35:14

to kind of pick him up and pick the other guys

35:17

up. Was like, Yo, we just got to keep swinging, and

35:19

uh, those three years were awesome.

35:21

So Jason, I want to give you an opportunity to talk about

35:23

that play too that Robert mentioned

35:25

at the ceremony, because he's

35:28

only talked about at but

35:30

he's never talked about it here in

35:32

the Patriots studio. So I

35:34

want to give you an opportunity of what you saw,

35:37

what you remember, um, you know standing,

35:39

you know, being in the in the press box one hundred miles

35:41

up. It just Brandon Cooks all

35:44

by himself. Yeah, So it was a beautiful

35:46

Sunday evening, not that

35:50

that just to lead up to that game, and

35:52

Dev kind of alluded to it when he said

35:54

in twenty eighteen he realized the secondary

35:56

could be used as a weapon and more

35:59

specific to the back room, had

36:01

built a bond and I think had reached a certain

36:03

level. I remember our Corners coach Josh Boyer after

36:05

the bye week, we were a meeting and he said,

36:08

we went through a self Scott and we realized one

36:10

of the strengths of our defense is we can cover

36:12

anybody on the field. He says, I'm just letting you

36:14

guys know, stretch, get your hamstrings

36:16

ready, whatever you need to do. But we're playing

36:18

man to man for the rest of the season, press

36:20

and we're gonna cover everybody. And it was like

36:23

okay. So from that point on, all

36:25

the way up until the AFC Championship

36:27

game, myself, Stefan Gilmore,

36:30

JC Jackson, Jonathan Jones, we played

36:32

man to man against everybody,

36:35

and we all four of us played and whatever

36:37

form or fashion had happened. And we

36:39

get to that week of that Super Bowl, and I remember

36:42

before that game, Josh Reynolds,

36:44

Brandon Cooks, Robert Woods, all of them talked

36:47

about if they play man, if they played the

36:49

way they've been playing, like, we're gonna get at them.

36:51

And they had no reason not to think we were gonna

36:53

play man. And when you talk. They

36:56

definitely thought we were gonna play man, he's still I

36:58

mean the next year he figured it out when we went to

37:01

LA But that's good a story for

37:03

another day. So in

37:05

that game and that play, we're playing Cover four,

37:07

and anybody that's watched kind of the miked

37:10

up portion of it, that play happened

37:12

earlier in the game where Brandon

37:14

Cooks runs a post on the front side

37:17

and we'd drop them and I think,

37:19

no, Gilmore runs with him, but I don't

37:21

drop off to help him. And Gilmore is looking at

37:23

that play like there's a lot of space back here for

37:25

Cooks to run away from him. Man, we're playing

37:27

Cover four and there's a post and over from the

37:29

other side, and when we get on the sideline. Something

37:32

that had become a really good habit for us is

37:34

obviously the coaches would go over to the lou

37:37

Blue Microsoft service that everybody

37:39

has seen Tom Slam before, Bill Slam

37:41

before. We'd sit down and we'd go over

37:43

those things, and as players, we didn't

37:45

get it, and we talk about it, and Dev's

37:48

holding the surface on the sideline and

37:50

he's like Jay Jay and he shows the play.

37:52

They're gonna come back to this play. You have to make sure

37:54

you drop off and you come back. And I'm like, I

37:57

know, I know, I saw the play. I talked to stuff

37:59

after I get it, but that was a communication

38:01

necessary. Everybody talks about halftime adjustments.

38:04

A lot of those adjustments go on on the side

38:07

right after the play, series by series, and

38:09

we make that adjustment and then the play comes

38:12

up and Dev always says it, I'm probably

38:14

two steps late in my recognition

38:16

to be able to get there and on the front side

38:18

between Dev Gilmore

38:21

and I think Killy dropped it. Killy

38:23

dropped the route.

38:25

The rule that we said after that game is we never

38:28

say who was supposed to So

38:30

Brandon Cooks is wide open and I recognize

38:33

it, probably two seconds too later, and

38:35

probably two seconds earlier. He probably doesn't

38:37

throw the ball, or maybe I do intercept

38:39

it, but who knows. But either way, Um

38:42

was able to get back there and make that

38:44

play, and that was special for me to

38:46

make that play. Had another pass break up. Man,

38:48

it was so important to me to play good in that

38:51

game because it took ten years

38:53

just to get to the playoffs. So being

38:56

able to get to a super Bowl, like I firmly

38:58

believe when I got in that game, like this is the

39:00

only super Bowl I'm playing, right, There's not

39:02

gonna be another. I can remember

39:05

coming home and obviously here in New England,

39:07

Titletown Boss, and everybody be like we

39:10

gotta get seven, but like seven,

39:12

Hell no, I'm built with one. I don't know. I don't need a

39:14

second championship. So it was, it was

39:16

it was so important to me to play well in that

39:18

game. So to have a play that everybody

39:20

still talks about or it gets mentioned and very

39:23

proud of. And I've gotten a chance to be around

39:26

Cooks quite a bit. And uh, what's

39:28

the quote like with Kobe Bryant. I hate it had to be Cooks

39:30

because he seems like a really good guy, But I

39:32

hate it had to be be Cooks because he's loved

39:35

and every single building that he's ever been. Interesting.

39:37

We're talking with Jason and Devin mccordy,

39:40

and as we kind of wrap things up here a little bit is we

39:42

just we're listening to Jason Jason's the TV

39:44

Star and again talking about

39:46

how competitive you are. You probably

39:48

don't have anything signed yet, but my guess is there's

39:50

a line outside the door. I hope.

39:52

So I've been on a couple of interviews, so you've

39:55

had some auditions. Haven I'm waiting for them to

39:57

slide that offer sheet across the table, like

39:59

how does that look to you? But now

40:01

it's been a lot of fun, I think, and

40:03

I think that's what kind of got

40:05

led me to even retirement, to being able

40:07

to do some of those things during the bye weekend

40:10

and after the season of

40:12

like actually enjoying it like that. Like

40:14

I talked about earlier, I didn't used

40:16

to enjoy watching football because I would

40:18

watch football and get angry about maybe I

40:20

missed the play or us not

40:22

playing in the playoffs, but

40:24

doing that and you're now you

40:27

got segments that you're talking about, so you got

40:29

to watch the film. You're breaking it down again.

40:31

I was enjoying just the

40:33

game of football at its core. Didn't

40:36

matter that I was watching Buffalo and Cincinnati

40:38

were about to play like that didn't matter that,

40:41

you know, we should have beat both

40:43

We had a chance to beat both of them. At the end of the year,

40:46

I kind of had that out of my mind and I started

40:48

talking about the strengths and what we talked about playing

40:50

them, and I was like, uh, I kind

40:53

of like this, like this is fun. I do this

40:55

during the season. This is how I break down

40:57

the game and look at the game. So to

41:00

talk about it and then talk about it with guys

41:02

like Kurt Warner a couple of times, Michael Irvin,

41:05

coach KAO or like sitting in a CBS production

41:07

meeting and talking to coach KAO or about

41:10

fire zones and how to cover it in

41:12

how he talked to Bill about it. I'm like,

41:15

so I got coach about Bill Belichick and I'm sitting

41:18

here with Bill Kauer and We're talking about

41:20

fire three defense. Like I was

41:22

like, when would that ever happen? And that's when

41:24

I knew. I was like, I think I'll enjoy doing this

41:26

and I might be able to get paid for it, exactly

41:29

right. And so Jason, I'm sure you'd been able to

41:31

help him a little bit. You know, like you,

41:33

what's your brother's lifestyle doing it like

41:36

he's on early in the morning. You've

41:38

done drivetime morning radio and being on with

41:40

guys at six o'clock in the morning, and so you

41:42

know how hard that could be. It might not all

41:44

be just it's not all glitz and glamor exactly

41:47

yeah, but do you get enough of advice baby from

41:49

Jason where he can give you some Hey,

41:51

don't do this because this stinks, but you know if

41:53

you can do that, And do you have a

41:55

preference Devin studio?

41:58

Would you ever want to do games? Anybody approached

42:00

you about you know, doing color or do you like being

42:03

in the studio? Hello, It's not just advice

42:05

I give him. I gave him. I gave him a week audition

42:07

on the show too. I booked him so he

42:11

didn't get me paid. It's easy

42:13

to book somebody for free.

42:16

As I also had a decision over

42:18

my head, so you know, they were like, all

42:21

right, if he comes, maybe he'll decide if he's gonna retire

42:23

or not. That seems to be pretty good news for seven to

42:25

ten A go up on the show. It helps,

42:27

But I would say, obviously the advice, and so

42:30

far I've done the studio analyst stuff

42:32

the most. So if you're actually what I'm comfortable

42:34

it would be that, um what I'd

42:36

be willing to do everything like a college

42:38

studio analysts, uh, at

42:41

games, like anything, because I want to just try

42:43

it all. But the biggest thing

42:45

that I got from him was his joy this

42:47

past season. Um, there

42:49

were times will we jump on FaceTime and

42:51

we would talk about a team

42:53

in their offense because he was gonna call a game

42:55

on the radio, and he was like, what

42:57

do you what do you see when you watch this team

43:00

play? Or what did y'all? What did

43:02

Bill talk about when y'all played against the Jets?

43:04

For their defense and what their defense does well,

43:06

So little things like that. When I would

43:09

talk to him, I'll be like, man, he's

43:11

really enjoying this. And then we have a

43:13

group chat with kV Vanoy

43:16

and durn Harman and Dude

43:18

was always like that well thought out guy and he was

43:20

like, yeah, you miss it though, and he'd be like,

43:23

dude, I'm not lying you. I'm having so

43:25

much fun. He's like, like, he said,

43:27

I go to the games for radio. He said,

43:29

I walk on the field, I'm dapping guys up, I'm

43:31

talking to guys. He said. I went to Germany

43:33

and London with the show. He said, like, I'm just

43:35

having fun. I didn't know I would have this much

43:38

fun. So just seeing that side

43:40

for him of I think for all of us as

43:42

players, the scariest thing is

43:44

like what do I do after football? Like

43:47

everything sounds good. Everybody's like being entrepreneur,

43:49

start a business, go on TV,

43:51

do this, to be a stay at home dad. But

43:54

it's like, what is gonna fulfill me? What is gonna

43:56

help me have a new purpose

43:58

at life? Getting to see just

44:00

his joy, flat out joy daily,

44:03

um, and that in me everything was perfect what

44:05

he was doing. But the fact that he had

44:07

joy, I was like, all right, there, there's hope

44:10

out there for me. You're a Jersey

44:12

guy, so I imagine Jersey. I

44:14

would think Jersey is gonna be ultimately where the mccardies

44:16

are going to reside at some point in time. Please tell

44:18

the fans that this is gonna be your second home.

44:21

I mean, I think the people in New England feel

44:23

like you're one of us, you know. And

44:26

um, it's gonna be really different

44:28

for people around here, not seeing number thirty

44:31

two on the field and not it just

44:33

you were You're always there. Yeah,

44:36

we're gonna keep always there. We're gonna keep our

44:38

house in Foxborough, New

44:41

England, is a huge part of who I am.

44:44

Um. Obviously I grew up in

44:46

New York and lived in New Jersey.

44:48

Um, but since I was twenty

44:50

three years old, like I've been a Massachusetts

44:53

resident. You know, I'm now thirty five, Nash

44:56

Like I got I got married

44:58

while I was living here. I had

45:01

all three of my kids, and then we came back up

45:03

here. So everything I've kind of done

45:05

as an adult and a parent, it

45:08

was here, and it's what my kids

45:10

knows, what I know. UM, So this will always

45:12

be a home for me. Um. I'm gonna stay connected

45:15

to all the things I do. Right now, I'm on the board

45:18

at BMC. UM I'm looking

45:20

I'm probably planning on joining two more boards

45:22

that are based up here. UM. So obviously

45:24

be here for all the Patriot stuff and things

45:27

like that, but I also will have the same

45:29

off the field things, um, continuing

45:31

our mccordy Bowl and the tackle sickle

45:33

cell stuff that we do. UM. That's why

45:36

it's important we stay on TV so we have like

45:38

people has a reason to steal come to the event. Yeah,

45:41

and I'll be able to still like invite those guys

45:43

and offer them like some decent stuff for

45:46

coming to our events. So I'm excited.

45:48

You know, Massachusetts will always be a home for me.

45:51

Devin mccordy. Uh Robert

45:54

Kraft said it today, and he said it best. He's a real

45:56

true Patriot. You represented everything

45:58

that this organization teams should

46:00

be important, and you did it better than anybody else.

46:03

Thank you, guys for being here today. Congratulations on

46:05

an unbelievable career. Appreciate

46:07

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