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It's time now for another episode and Pats from the

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Past podcast. Matsmith alongside Paup

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Burlo pleas to be joined by number seventy

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on your scorecard, but number one in our hearts at least

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today, Paul. Yeah,

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and you better be careful. Yeah. And that's Logan Mankins.

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Logan, thanks for coming in. How you doing, man, I'm doing great.

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Thanks for having me guy. Yeah, I really appreciate it, all

0:25

right, Logan when we start these with everybody, because

0:27

I don't I mean, like, maybe

0:29

people know what some ex

0:32

patriots are doing, but I think there's

0:34

a lot of people that go, Logan, Mankans, where

0:36

is he these days? What are you up to? I think fans would

0:38

love to know that. Well, I'm still here in New England. We

0:40

live in north out of burl Still, just down

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the road from Foxborough, and we have a little

0:45

farm and we raise beef, cattle,

0:47

hey, firewood, all that kind of fun

0:49

stuff. Why is a California

0:52

Northern California kid? What

0:54

is it about New England? Because I think,

0:57

and I'm being very stereotypically stereotypical,

1:00

go here. I think people would be surprised.

1:02

Patriot fans would go Okay, his career's over. Finish

1:04

it in Tampa. He's going to go back to northern California

1:07

at some point in time. Why still New

1:09

England? I mean, and this is somebody who loves New England,

1:11

has lived here his entire life. Yeah. Well, we

1:13

had lived here for nine years before I got

1:15

traded, and then the

1:18

timing of the trade was school

1:20

was about to start, so my wife and kids stayed

1:23

here and I went there just for the season to Tampa,

1:26

and then we did that. Then

1:28

I came back after the season and

1:30

my daughter was in high school, so we didn't want to make

1:33

her move while she was in high

1:35

school, so I went to Tampa

1:37

for the season again and they stayed here.

1:39

And then by the time

1:41

I retired, we just

1:44

made the decision that our oldest is

1:46

in high school, let's let her finish high school. And then

1:49

she was graduating in high school, our next one was coming

1:51

into high school. So we just made the decision

1:53

to stay here and make this our forever place. So

1:56

that's great, Yeah, because I was one of those that I would

1:58

have said, yeah, you know, Logan Mankins will be

2:00

back on the ranch out And it was at Cathy's

2:02

Valley. Yeah, yeah, Cathy's Valley, Californe.

2:04

I figured you'd be long gone and had to

2:07

find and then I show up at Bishop Fian

2:09

mad Yeah, you know, so one

2:11

of those classic Bishop Fenwick. Bishop Fian

2:14

tilts in the Catholic Central League.

2:16

So there's Logan Mankins. So Logan Paul's

2:18

office is now next to mine, and

2:21

I'm regaled weekly with you

2:23

know how great Fenwick is. Fenwick

2:26

kicked his team's ass, blah blah blah. And he tells

2:28

me, he goes, oh, you wouldn't believe this. I read into Logan Mankins.

2:31

Other than Bruski, who he knows obnoxious

2:33

on the sidelines, is Paul the most obnoxious

2:36

parent of a kid that you've run into a high

2:38

school game. And he's got to be right. Well,

2:40

I don't know. I don't get to see him during the game,

2:42

but he's always

2:44

very gracious and defeat so well

2:47

see he's he's being kind. I usually

2:49

bitch about the referees for about a half hour, but

2:52

it was funny. This is this is a kind

2:54

of a funny story. So last year when Logan

2:58

son Case Mankins is a truemendous

3:00

two way player for Bishop fian

3:02

and my oldest son Will they're the same

3:04

same age. Not as tremendous a two way player

3:06

for Fenwick, but he does well. So

3:09

we're at Fenwick two years ago

3:11

and it was one of those games where I

3:13

was, you know, hell bent for leather, like if I

3:16

could have found an official in the parking lot, things could

3:18

have been bad. And I see

3:20

looking at the I got did you see

3:22

that whole day? Missing a touchdown and Logan

3:24

goes and then holding if they don't call it so

3:28

but he was spoken like a two offensive line.

3:31

But what was great was my friends are

3:33

constantly as you probably get a lot of this, they're

3:36

constantly busting my balls. Oh, oh, big

3:38

tough Paul Like, oh, he talks to Tom Brady,

3:40

he talks to Teddy Bruski. Oh,

3:42

why don't you talk? Where's all your boys? Wis

3:45

makings? Wi's all? So, don't you know? Logan

3:47

comes over at the end of the game. You talk about being gracious

3:49

in defeat, gracious in victory.

3:52

He comes over after the game, says goodbye

3:54

to my wife and I and I get

3:56

the bro hug. I got a little bro hug in there. Would you

3:58

like to make fun of me about for people road. So

4:02

all of my friends now looking like, wow, you really

4:04

do know those guys, like, go, what do you think I worked there for

4:06

twenty years. I've never met anybody,

4:08

So it was it's been kind of nice.

4:11

Case played some basketball last last

4:14

Winner or so. I bumped into Logan a few times,

4:16

and he was here in Foxborough at the draft party

4:18

too, so he's been around and Logan and

4:20

I'm I can verify Paul, because Paul

4:22

was saying this to me when he came back. He goes, You're

4:25

not gonna believe it, And I'm not surprised, he goes. I

4:27

think Patriots fans would not be surprised

4:29

as well. Regular guy, nice

4:32

guy parent who isn't screaming

4:34

and yelling and swearing at the referees

4:36

like most of the other parents are. Fie

4:39

right with his hat, probably

4:41

just like that was a draper Farms. Yeah,

4:43

you know, you would not have any

4:45

idea that this is a you

4:48

know, decade long NFL player, for

4:50

a ten plush years NFL player,

4:52

with the amount of Pro Bowls and

4:54

All pros, and you would have no idea just

4:57

sitting in the stands watching his kids, just like everybody

4:59

else right, And I hope this doesn't come across

5:01

in a way. It's sort as I'm saying, think about

5:03

in my mind that somebody could take it as

5:05

an insult, and I hope it wouldn't never be that way. But Logan

5:08

as the second greatest guard in

5:11

franchise history, you're are you

5:13

okay being behind John Hannah? Yeah, that's

5:15

fine. Who by the way I spent But if it

5:17

wouldn't change my life, I

5:21

get it, I'd still be the same. But I

5:23

don't know if you ever had a chance to really, you know,

5:25

watch Hannah or anything like that for the days.

5:27

And I spent some time with John a couple of summers

5:30

ago down on his cattle farm down in Alabama.

5:33

Crusty, great patriot and great

5:35

guy. I think you guys would connect. Yeah, I've

5:37

done him a few times that Yeah, we uh would

5:39

swap stories and it was it

5:42

was great meeting him and hearing all the great things he

5:44

had to talk about. And he just started yelling at you about

5:46

not running the ball enough. It's well,

5:49

he said he liked running the ball because

5:51

he didn't like the pass block, and

5:54

that pass blocking is pretty tough, so especially

5:56

against the talent they have nowadays. He loved

5:59

watching you play. He loved watching

6:01

you play. And I would say, as an outsider,

6:04

for somebody to get a stamp of approval from

6:06

somebody like John Hannah, that means

6:08

a lot more than Paul Parollo or Matt Smith or

6:10

any any other Tom Dick and Harry, because

6:12

here's a legit guy. Well, he loved watching

6:15

you play. Yeah, and John, he

6:17

was respected by everyone, his teammates,

6:19

his opponents, other coaches. So that's

6:22

always what I wanted. If they

6:24

wrote I was good in the paper, that was great. But I wanted

6:26

my teammates. I wanted to earn their respect, and

6:28

I wanted opponents not to want to play

6:30

me. So that's how it was. Did

6:33

you think when

6:35

you were coming out, did you think you're going to be a first

6:37

round pick? I didn't know. I

6:39

everyone told me probably a second rounder.

6:42

And it was funny. The day of the draft, I

6:44

was. We had a me

6:46

and my wife had a little apartment in Fresno, and

6:49

we had a little draft party and just

6:52

people kept showing up more and more.

6:54

Like my dad, he's a he likes

6:56

to have a good time, so he was inviting everyone

6:58

he saw, whether he knew them not, so that

7:00

was always great. Doesn't make him a bad guy, no.

7:03

But we're sitting there and my

7:05

offensive coordinator from Fresno

7:08

was one of his

7:10

best friends was with the forty nine ers and he

7:12

calls me. He goes that I just talked

7:14

to my best friend. They're taking you with the thirty third

7:16

pick. I was like, oh sweet,

7:18

right down the road from here. And

7:20

then I was like, hold on, someone else is calling

7:22

me and I click the phone over and it

7:25

was Scott Pioli. He's like, we're taking you right now.

7:27

I was like, oh, okay,

7:30

So it was great. I was. I

7:32

think I was very fortunate to come here. I'm

7:35

it worked out the best to come here. I'm glad that

7:38

the nine Yeris weren't picking thirty two the

7:41

Patriots to were. So you obviously

7:43

it did work out. You were part of a

7:45

lot of wins here and you had a great career.

7:47

Did you think it at the time, You know, like you

7:49

were so close to being close to home

7:52

and now you have to go to New England, which I can't

7:54

tell you how many players will tell you I didn't really even

7:56

know where New England was because they think it's a state

7:58

and not a region. What

8:01

were you thinking about the culture, you know, both

8:03

the culture with the team and the cultures shock of

8:05

going from West coast to East coast. Yeah,

8:07

I wasn't, like he said, totally

8:10

aware of they said New

8:12

England. I was like, Okay, that's on the East coast, but

8:15

I didn't know it was like right outside of Boston. I didn't know where

8:17

the stadium was or Foxborough or any of that stuff.

8:19

And guys are like, oh, You're gonna go play

8:22

with Tom Brady And I'm like, I'm

8:24

not even sure who Tom Brady really is, right,

8:27

I didn't watch that much NFL football. I didn't

8:30

up until my senior year of high school.

8:32

I loved watching NFL football, and then

8:34

once I got to college, I kind of stopped paying attention

8:36

and had many other things going on.

8:38

So is that because you Is

8:41

it because it was so much for you to play? It

8:44

took so much physically, mentally and everything like

8:46

that that when the time came

8:48

that you had quote your own time or

8:51

downtime or however you want to call it. I

8:53

got other things I need. I want to do that interest

8:56

me rather than shit and watch this because

8:59

I'm living and I'm in a

9:01

divisional. In school, you're working. It's a job. Yeah,

9:03

And and the schedule

9:06

kind of makes it that way. So in college,

9:08

you play on Saturday. Sunday,

9:10

you go in for lifting, you

9:12

watch the game, and you have your conditioning,

9:14

so that's most of your Sunday while

9:16

NFL football is on, so you can

9:18

watch games on Monday night and Sunday night. But other

9:20

than that, during the day, you were usually

9:23

busy, So we didn't watch a lot

9:25

of it. And as I got older in college, we

9:27

had I already had my first daughter and everything

9:30

like that. So the longer

9:32

I was in college, the more responsible I'd just started

9:34

becoming, and we had a

9:36

lot of other things to do to

9:39

support her and my future wife. So

9:43

so when when you were drafted, it was you

9:45

know, tackle out of first No State, and

9:47

then you got here and almost

9:50

immediately it was guard. Yeah. Did you

9:52

know that that you would be a guard or was that something

9:55

that Bill had talked to you about beforehand? I assumed

9:57

it was going to happen. So my

10:00

coach of Fresno was Pat hill Ye, and

10:02

I got invited to the East West and the Senior

10:05

Bowl, and he goes he

10:07

was an old line coach for Baltimore

10:11

one of those with Bill, and he goes, I think

10:13

the best thing for you to do is go to these

10:15

two all star games, go to both of them, and

10:18

just play guard at both of them. Tell him you don't want to

10:20

play tackle. I was like, all right, So I

10:22

took his advice, and when I got there, I said, I'm playing guard,

10:25

not tackle. And then

10:27

because he said I was going to get moved to guard, that's

10:29

what his opinion was. So when

10:31

I got here, I just assumed I was going to Garden.

10:33

That's where they told me to go. So then it

10:36

was day one, right, yeah,

10:38

yeah, it was uh yeah,

10:40

the first day always Guarden.

10:43

What I did play tackle a couple of games. About

10:47

that, athletic people, I mean the transition, the

10:49

transition from college chapros

10:51

obviously a big transition transition

10:53

position wise. Did you think that that was a big

10:55

deal guard to tackle. I didn't think it was

10:57

until I did it. Okay, it's uh so

11:00

a guard, everything is way faster, Like everyone

11:04

is lined up closer to you. Everything happens faster.

11:06

The guys aren't as fast as you're

11:09

going against that tackle, but you have

11:11

more time before they get to you to set everything

11:13

up, and the guys inside

11:15

are way bigger, way stronger. I

11:18

thought guard was a lot more physical. The

11:21

few games I played at tackle, I felt awesome

11:23

after the game, whereas guard, you

11:25

feel it's like two

11:29

eighty to three fifty every time, just bam,

11:31

bam bam. So I think, and

11:34

Paul helped me on this, if you agree with me or not.

11:36

I think fans look at offensive line

11:38

and maybe other than center, where

11:40

there's an alleged you know, the center

11:43

quarterback exchange that needs to happen,

11:45

and it's got to be consistent. But I

11:47

think fans will get offensive lineman and maybe

11:49

other than left tackle. I think they think they're all the

11:51

same. Yeah, and when you see there's

11:53

current players on this team

11:55

and around the league, Hey, you know, we

11:58

recognize you've got positioned versatility. Oh

12:00

we like the fact that you can play guard and play tackle.

12:02

And I think fians think that it's just interchangeable

12:06

and can get on a guy geez,

12:08

why is he? You know, it's not

12:10

as interchangeable as maybe us dummy

12:12

fans like to think. Is that a fair statement? Oh?

12:14

Definitely. It takes h for

12:17

a guy to be able to do multiple positions

12:20

well between guarden tackle, not so much

12:22

center and guard. But for a person

12:24

to be able to do guard end tackle, they got

12:26

to understand the game very well and

12:30

have a lot of athletic

12:32

ability, which they already do. But I mean, like

12:35

position, I don't know how to really pronounce

12:37

it or say it, but they've got to be able

12:39

to flip all that in their mind all the

12:41

time. You've got to be smart. Definitely

12:44

got to be smart to be able to do both of them, because

12:46

it's different ways and techniques

12:48

to do both those spots. Now, did you have

12:50

to move sides at all? No,

12:52

thankfully and stuck on the left side, oh,

12:54

which was nice because I

12:57

was always right handed. And then once

12:59

I got to know I always played on the left side.

13:02

And once you get stuck for me

13:04

personally, once I got in that left handed stance, that

13:07

was the only one I was ever going to be able to do it again, I

13:09

get in a right hand stance, and I feel funky.

13:12

When you got here, Logan, you know,

13:14

rookie first rounder, so you come with that kind

13:16

of baggage and I mean, oh, here's a

13:18

guy I gotta guarantee. Blah blah, blah,

13:21

Who is here somebody that you can think of that helped

13:23

you the most to help make that transition to

13:26

NFL offensive lineman from

13:28

college? How do you recall that rookie year

13:30

and who helped you along? And because I

13:33

think what people say now they consider they

13:36

don't remember it, but they should remember it. We're talking

13:38

about a plug and play guys from

13:40

day one started just like that. And

13:43

then again another thing. I think, Oh, anybody can do

13:45

it, No, nobody, not everybody can do it. You

13:47

have to be a Logan Nakins kind of person to do it

13:49

well. There was a lot of bumps in the road. It

13:51

wasn't always beautiful. I remember getting

13:53

yelled at plenty of times and not Scar

13:56

Scar Bill whoever you couldn't think of in there,

13:58

but let Tom get hit

14:00

plenty of times. But you

14:03

learned as you go, and by the halfway

14:05

part point of the season, I felt pretty comfortable

14:07

and what I was doing and it wasn't

14:09

as bad as those first few games. But there

14:13

was lots of guys that helped. First of all, I

14:15

had an awesome O line coach that

14:17

was I'm

14:20

so lucky and fortunate to play for him. I

14:22

wouldn't have wanted to play for anyone else. So

14:24

I had that going for me. I had a lot of older

14:26

guys in our room that they

14:29

were here to win, like Matt, like Cope

14:31

and Neil, those guys,

14:33

that's all they wanted to do was win. And they

14:36

just because you were a rookie didn't mean anything.

14:39

They would help you. You were their teammate. So

14:41

that was awesome. There was like we didn't have

14:43

rookie hazy and craft like that. We

14:46

were all there for one purpose. Matt

14:49

was awesome. I remember we got

14:51

here and was that rookie

14:53

camp or OTAs or something, and

14:57

he invited my wife and our

15:00

children over to meet his wife and children,

15:03

just to make the whole transition easier.

15:05

So having guys like that in your locker room

15:07

makes life a lot easier when you're

15:09

already dealing with stuff you have no idea. You're

15:12

learning every day as you go as a rookie, so having

15:14

older guys that are willing to help you as

15:17

great. So I found it interesting when you

15:19

said, you know, you got drafted by the Patriots,

15:21

and well you're gonna go and block for Tom

15:23

Brady, and you're like, I'm not really even sure who Tom Brady

15:25

is. How long

15:28

did it take you to sort of realize that he was a little

15:30

different than just the other team's starting

15:32

quarterbacks on What was it like sort

15:34

of getting indoctrinated into that, Well,

15:36

it was great Tom. He's a special

15:39

player, as everyone already knows, but he's

15:41

also a special leader and a special guy.

15:43

He was a great teammate to have.

15:47

You wanted a block for the guy, The coaches

15:49

wanted you to make every block for him, and that

15:53

makes it so much better when you really respected,

15:56

you liked the guy, and you know he cares

15:58

about you and you care about him, and that's

16:00

why we wanted him make the blocks for him.

16:02

We didn't do it just because it was our job. We

16:04

actually liked and respected him and wanted him

16:06

to do good. So, but there

16:09

was lots of guys on this team I didn't know anything

16:11

about. I remember my rookie year, Richard

16:13

Seymour was here and he was

16:15

holding out and I was like, who's

16:17

this guy everyone's talking about. I found

16:19

out the first day he came back. He

16:22

was a handful. So I got a lot of welcome

16:24

to New England movements. What was what

16:26

was that like lining up against Richard Seymour

16:29

when he comes back. Oh it was I

16:31

still didn't know who he was but or

16:33

what he did, but I was like, damn,

16:35

this guy is big. What the heck? And then

16:38

of course where he lines up every day

16:40

for practices right over me, and the first

16:42

one I want he ran me over. I was like, holy

16:44

shit, I better better figure out

16:46

how to block guys like this. And then we

16:48

went to the first game and I was like, oh man,

16:51

everyone's not like I was

16:54

like, thankfully not everyone's like this guy does

16:58

it? Did it not surprise you? Logan?

17:00

I mean it took him probably a little longer than I think

17:02

maybe he wanted or some of the people that were closest

17:04

to him. But is it no surprise? Do you have to get

17:06

and knocked on your rats by Richard Seymour that

17:08

he's in the Professional Football Hall of Fame? Oh

17:10

yeah? And he should have been there. There

17:13

was no question he was special

17:15

talent. Not

17:17

everyone has got his ability. So tall

17:19

and long, and he's strong and athletic,

17:22

and he had the right mentality

17:24

and he was just

17:26

a very good player. He was smart too, So maybe

17:29

playing here is first I don't know However, many

17:31

years when he was asked to take on double teams

17:34

and not get the sack numbers, that probably

17:37

slowed him down. But as far as impacting

17:40

the game, he made a big impact.

17:42

And I know he helped me too, because I practiced

17:44

against him every day for like four

17:46

or five six years something like that, and we

17:49

had lots of fights and all kinds

17:51

of stuff. But when we got to the locker

17:53

room, we always talked about how

17:55

to I would ask

17:57

him what he looked at sometimes, and he would ask me,

18:00

like, how do you get the hands off? And this

18:02

kind of thing and that thing just from guys

18:04

that a different point

18:06

of view than a coach's point of view, like the guy that's

18:09

actually doing it. So I always

18:11

had a lot of respect for him. You talked about

18:13

being, you know, selfless and

18:15

you know, like Richard was, but you obviously displayed

18:17

that you talked about. I don't forget that you played

18:19

tackle a little bit, Matt Scott. You know that

18:22

the anecdote from Dante about the day

18:24

that you had to play tackle like on a moment's

18:26

notice. So we were we were. This

18:29

was your first year. Both Paul and I are kind

18:31

of embarrassed about it. To be perfectly honest with it,

18:33

I don't want to put words in Paul's mouth,

18:35

but we're part of the Hall of Fame committee

18:38

to select people to get on the ballot, and then

18:40

legitimately when the people get on the ballot,

18:43

it's a fan vote, you know, and as

18:45

you can imagine skill position, guys, you

18:47

know we're gonna get the fan vote. But this is the first

18:49

year that you were on

18:52

that ballot. And so it's part of one

18:54

of the things that I do here is, Hey, who

18:56

can who's a great person as an ambassador

18:59

for Richards Anymore, for Ty Law,

19:01

for Teddy Bruski, for

19:03

Logan Makons, that can really speak

19:05

to who that person was as a player and why they

19:08

deserve to be why do they think

19:10

they would be a great Patriot Hall of Famer. And of course

19:12

we went to Dante, and so we're talking to

19:14

Dante and he's giving you all the platitude that you could

19:16

think of that Dante would give you nobody tougher

19:19

comparing you as somebody who did coach.

19:23

He wasn't maybe an offensive line coach, but he

19:25

was on the team when Hannah was here. So it's

19:27

not blasphemy for him to mention your

19:29

name, and to me, that's an awful

19:31

lot of credibility. But we stopped

19:34

after one point. All right, Dante, that was great. He goes,

19:36

I'd like to say one more thing. This

19:39

is really important to me. And he talked about again

19:42

how selfless you were and the fact

19:44

that I don't know, I guess it was light probably

19:46

who got hurt. And you're playing the Ravens and

19:49

you're guess what, Logan, you're playing tackle

19:51

this week and that's the Ravens with Terrell Suggs

19:54

and somebody like that. And he talked about

19:56

how you nearly pitched a shut out that

19:58

game, but that you were pissed on

20:01

one particular play that maybe Sugs

20:03

got a hand up or maybe like sort

20:05

of swept and knocked Tom down. And

20:07

he talked about how pissed you were about that, and he goes,

20:10

you know, it's okay for the quarterback to get rid of the ball

20:12

too, Logan, don't blame that one on

20:14

you. But that's how he thought.

20:16

That's how he felt about you. Do

20:18

you remember that game in that week having

20:20

to kick out? Yeah, I still remember. I

20:22

shouldn't have got beat on that one, I

20:25

just went set a little too far. I got

20:27

feeling too comfortable and he got

20:29

me on enough and under. But yeah,

20:32

those games we uh. I

20:34

actually liked going out to tackle ever right now and then

20:36

just I don't know. It was fun just to change

20:39

it up every now and then. But that

20:41

was the second time. The first time I played tackle,

20:44

I didn't find out till like twenty minutes before

20:46

the game, so that one was a little

20:48

tougher. But the one against

20:50

the Ravens was nice because I actually got the practice all

20:52

week at tackle, so that was a lot better. But

20:54

it was I liked tackle. It was fun. What

20:57

was the other one? Miami?

21:00

And then one time I had to play the second half I think against

21:03

the Texans or something, so

21:05

that was the backup tackle. It amazes me, like,

21:07

what does he say, like, yeah, I got

21:09

I set to why I got? I got up

21:12

and under it like it was probably twenty

21:14

years ago at this point, like xactly you remember

21:17

your bad plays. Oh,

21:19

I can tell you about the tape measure home runs I allowed

21:21

in college, but I don't want to get to that's another

21:23

podcast for a different time. Um,

21:26

just you know, again, I want to

21:28

stay with the teammate and the selflessness

21:30

and the season you played on a torn

21:32

acl well, you know, Philip Rivers

21:35

played a quarterback, you know, in the AFC Championship

21:37

game against you guys on a torn ACL and I

21:39

think it was one of the more heroic performances I've

21:41

seen. You played a whole season like

21:44

that, Like how do you how do you do that? I

21:46

don't know. They said maybe I was

21:48

loose used to having a loose knee or something.

21:51

I don't know, but I had to wear with those

21:53

weird braces for most of the year and uh

21:58

her for the first couple of games, and then it just

22:00

kind of went away. So and

22:02

then after the season we

22:04

went and saw the doctor and he's like, this

22:06

thing's been torn a long time. Oh so you

22:08

didn't realize it until we didn't know it was fully

22:11

torn. One of those doctors

22:13

just kind of shook it around and said, well,

22:16

what do you think? And I was like, well, let me give it a shot this

22:18

week at practice and

22:20

he's like all right. And then

22:23

I got through drills, I was like, we'll just go

22:25

with it. He's like all right, well we

22:27

need to get it checked out later. So see,

22:30

people think that sometimes you

22:32

overstate just how matter

22:34

of fact people are about things. This

22:37

is logan making. This is how he was in

22:39

the locker room after games. He would talk about,

22:41

you know, the game plan and what they did well,

22:43

and it was the same level of

22:45

intensity and just matter of

22:48

fact everything. You know, Well, you know what do you

22:50

think? Yeah, well I can give it a shot of practice, Like see

22:52

if I could play. He had a town acl right,

22:54

and it's like it's his job. It's

22:56

there's no big deal. I'm just going to go out and get the job done.

22:59

Do you get embarrased when you hear that logan? Like

23:01

people like Paul and I want

23:03

to heap praise

23:05

on you for that. You're an offensive lineman.

23:08

You probably don't give a sugar about like, yeah,

23:10

that's all I was supposed to do well. Everyone

23:12

loves to be praised, but I do get embarrassed

23:15

when it's in front of me. I'd rather talk.

23:18

I don't want to embarrass you, believe me, And I'm

23:20

not like you know, I've been I've been Matt and

23:23

I've been here for over twenty years. So it's like, you

23:26

know, it's not like the wide

23:28

eyed Chris Farley on Saday Night Live, like

23:31

that was awesome, you know, when I'm not in awe of

23:33

you know, but but that's an awesome

23:36

are inspiring, that's season.

23:38

Most people sadly today

23:41

at work have the sniffles and they're

23:43

down for three days, do you know what I mean?

23:45

And and so

23:47

when somebody says, no, it's important to go

23:49

to work, and I might

23:52

not be feeling one hundred percent, but I

23:54

still think I can do my job. Yeah,

23:58

it's that's different.

24:00

Yeah, that's well. I think people

24:02

used to ask me why I did it, and I was like, well, my dad always

24:04

said, if you can go to work, you go to work.

24:06

And he always joked,

24:09

just tape an aspir into it and you'll be all right.

24:13

Did you try it? But

24:16

it was it was fine. It hurt for a while and

24:18

then it went away, and then it

24:20

just uh. I really noticed

24:22

it as a season went on. There was no more squatting

24:25

in the weight room, like that stuff was

24:27

not happening anymore. Or if you like tried

24:30

to walk down an incline, you could feel your knee

24:32

sliding. But so thankfully

24:34

the football fields already inclined. I

24:37

think you know, your league is filled

24:39

with really really tough players and like,

24:42

yeah, I mean I see what you guys go through. I

24:44

remember the other Algae crumplers here. I don't

24:46

know if you guys crossed. I forget the timeline,

24:48

but what he went through to play every

24:51

week was ridiculous and you could

24:53

see the toughness. But I think a lot of people in

24:55

your situation Logan would have said, this

24:58

is my career. I have a finite amount of

25:00

time to earn money, and if

25:02

I play on a torn acoh, it might affect my performance.

25:04

It could affect my salary down the look they're

25:06

gonna probably look to, you know, makee me take a haircut

25:09

next year, or if I'm going to be a free

25:11

agent. But yet you put

25:13

all that aside and just said, no, I have a

25:16

job to do and I'm going to go out and do it well. I was fortunately

25:18

I just signed a big contract. And

25:21

then

25:21

the guys

25:25

around the league that would get this big

25:27

deal and then they would get hurt, and

25:30

I was like, this is what people do. Those guys

25:32

are tough too. Like in our locker room, I would make

25:34

fun of guys like that, and so

25:37

then I'm possibly

25:39

hurt, not one hundred percent knowing if I'm hurt

25:41

or not. And I'm like, well, I don't want

25:43

to be that guy that I've been ragging

25:45

on for my whole career already, right, you don't want

25:48

to be a fraud? Yeah, right? And up

25:50

until that point, I was that my sixth

25:52

year, I'd

25:54

never missed a practice or game, so I was like,

25:56

I can't. I can't start getting hurt

25:58

now. Right then I did get a few practices off

26:00

that year. So then, logan, is that

26:03

all part of maybe your principle

26:07

and your values, because I do think Patriot

26:09

fans remember that you wanted to take a stand. You

26:12

felt like the Paul helped me out on the language

26:14

of it, you know, with a rookie

26:16

contract or something like that. Right,

26:19

you got I mean, you got screwed. I mean, let's say like

26:21

you're going to be a free agent. And then

26:23

that uncapped year came in, I'd think in ten

26:26

something like that, in right after night, and they changed

26:29

the minimum years for you

26:31

know, went to six years, and that's what led

26:33

to your yeah, hold led to

26:35

an argument and a holdout. So but

26:38

in that case, you're you're not doing anything

26:40

different than playing on a torn acl

26:42

It's I'm here to do a job. Wait

26:44

a minute, I'm here to do a job. But why

26:46

are the rules changing on him? This isn't

26:49

fair and I need to take a Stanford.

26:51

Is that all part of the principles that make up logan

26:53

makings? Oh yeah, definitely. And technically

26:56

we called a holdout, but it wasn't a holdout because

26:58

I wasn't right, right, you weren't. Yeah, so really

27:00

absolutely right. I didn't refuse to come to

27:02

work. I just chose not to be on a team yet,

27:05

right, And it was

27:07

all about money and all that stuff.

27:09

But was that hard for you Logan to do that?

27:11

Oh? Yeah it was. It was hard

27:14

at first until I made up my mind. And then

27:16

once my mind was made up, it was easy because

27:18

I'm very stubborn when it comes to stuff like that. So

27:22

I didn't want to do it, Like I

27:24

I hated it came

27:26

to that situation. I did not want to do

27:29

that, but I felt that to

27:32

me personally, I felt that was the right thing to do.

27:35

So maybe it was, maybe it wasn't, but to

27:37

me it was, So that's why I did it. You'll

27:39

be glad to know that your buddy, Andy Hart and I

27:41

never called it a holdout just for that exact

27:44

reason that you just said. We were very much

27:46

pro pro player in that stance

27:48

and the fact that that changed

27:51

you feel. I'm not saying that you know you were the

27:53

impetus behind it or anything like that. Are

27:55

are you happy now for the future players

27:57

that maybe that's something that they, you

28:01

know, in the negotiation, that helped work to

28:03

their favor. Possibly the

28:06

money right now is I thought it was crazy when I

28:08

played. It's out of control. Now it's awesome

28:10

for the players. But

28:13

that's what every other older player says.

28:15

Guys ten years before me thought I was getting paid

28:17

crazy money but got it. Yeah,

28:20

I don't know. Each guy has to do what they

28:22

feel is right for them personally, and

28:25

everyone's different and some guys are

28:27

stronger minded than other people. So it

28:30

just all depends on who you are, all right. You talk

28:32

about the old man status, then, I

28:35

don't know how much football you watch today. I

28:37

think to the lay person, and I would consider

28:39

Paul and I both the late kind of person. You

28:41

look at offensive line play around the league,

28:44

it just doesn't seem like it's as good as it

28:46

was maybe in years gone by. Do you agree with

28:48

that? I haven't watched it

28:50

close enough to say that, but I do

28:52

watch some of it, and I

28:55

don't feel it's as physical I

28:57

see. I've

28:59

talked to people to still playing coaches, and

29:01

they're like, a lot of the things you guys used to do, you would

29:03

get ejected for it now. So like we

29:06

used to blindside everyone, like

29:09

I was. I did watch the game where David Andrews

29:11

got uh blindsided? Yeah,

29:13

And I was legal when I played, right, Like

29:16

we ran down the field looking on interceptions

29:18

for d Lineman because we knew they were coming because we

29:20

did it to them a few plays before, right, But

29:24

those kind of plays are outlawed now, and

29:26

we used to do that on a consistent basis, or

29:28

diving into people's knees and all that stuff.

29:30

So it's a lot different now. When

29:34

when you look back the seventh

29:36

season obviously bitter

29:38

sweet for everybody, do

29:40

you feel like the team sort of ran

29:42

out of gas? Just the sort of the pressure

29:45

of being unbeaten kind of caught up

29:47

to you. Possibly. I was still

29:49

so young, only my third year. I

29:51

was just happy to be playing

29:54

football and just don't but

29:56

we had so many older guys that really

29:59

knew and understood football at that time, and

30:01

maybe they they did.

30:03

I know it was a very uh, I

30:07

guess you call it stressful season. Well,

30:10

as the year went on, it got more stressful and more

30:12

pressure on you, not just from

30:15

not to lose, but like Bill

30:17

that year had his foot on the gas pedal.

30:20

Every game felt like when we'd watch film, like

30:22

we lost the game and we would be

30:24

someone by forty year twenty year, and

30:27

then you'd come in and feel like you lost the game.

30:30

But I didn't feel burned out by

30:32

the end of the year. We just didn't played well.

30:34

I know, me and the offensive

30:36

line we didn't play good enough that game. And usually

30:39

if the old line doesn't play good, you don't win. So that's

30:42

how it goes a lot of times when you look back

30:44

at that logan and you say, you know, it

30:47

felt like a loss even though you're

30:49

trashing teams. Yeah, how

30:52

did that manifest like in the film

30:54

room when you're looking at it and stuff like that, Does

30:57

that motivate you or do you

30:59

have to have a special kind of mentality to like, look

31:01

and I know what he's trying to do here, He's

31:04

looking for almost literally perfection

31:06

on these plays. Does that help drive you to

31:08

be a better player. Oh, definitely. And our offensive

31:11

line coach Dante, he said,

31:13

we're not going to be perfect, but we're gonna strive

31:15

for it every game and every practice. So he

31:18

preached that already. And as an

31:20

old lineman, you could have eighty great

31:22

blocks. On the eighty first play, you give up

31:24

a sack and that's all everyone talks about.

31:26

And you had a horrible game, right, So it's

31:30

we're used to that as old lineman,

31:32

That one bad play ruins

31:34

at all. So you've got to be perfect on all of them,

31:37

unless it was always best when

31:39

you had to play and you got beat by someone and fortunately

31:42

you were running the ball the other way or something and it didn't

31:44

affect a play at all. Do you think,

31:47

and this is another great fan debate, it

31:49

would have been better for them to lose, you

31:51

know, and then you get that monkey off your back.

31:54

Did you enjoy the pursuit

31:57

of perfection? Yeah? I loved it. When

32:00

we squeaked out the win was that week

32:02

seventeen in New York when we win by three

32:04

or something, Yeah, I

32:07

was so happy. We want

32:09

that to keep it alive. So because then

32:11

after that, you only have what three more games to win.

32:15

I wouldn't change it. I changed that we lost

32:17

the last game, but the rest

32:19

of the season, I wouldn't change. People

32:22

are like I have a lot of people say, don't

32:25

you wish you just lost the Chief Championship and

32:27

didn't get there? And I'll

32:29

take the shot if we lose, we lose, but

32:31

I'll take the shot of winning. I

32:34

mean, I tell this all the time,

32:36

being on all those plane rides back

32:39

and forth, you'd be hard pressed,

32:41

Matt, you and I talked about this all the time. You'd be hard pressed

32:43

to ever know based on the mentality

32:46

of the players, the interaction

32:48

on the way home, if you guys want are lost. You guys

32:50

were just business like. There's

32:52

one huge exception, and that was the Indianapolis

32:55

game that year in oh seven.

32:57

We came I think ten down in the fourth

33:00

or two touchdowns to

33:02

beat the undefeated

33:05

Colts, and you guys

33:07

went crazy on that. On that flight

33:09

home and another one bites the dust was going

33:12

and I think Glannie might have had that cranked

33:15

up. It was amazing to me how

33:17

business like you were otherwise, and

33:19

then to see that like, oh

33:22

this really was a big game. It wasn't just

33:24

like the next game, you know, well, you know, on

33:26

to Cincinnati. It wasn't like that. You

33:28

could see it with the mentality of the

33:30

team, and then I felt like that kind of carried

33:33

you through the rest of that regular season. To your point,

33:35

it did mean a lot to go unbeaten. I did,

33:38

And like you said, that game against Manning

33:40

and the Colts, we always we

33:42

had such a big rivalry, and for

33:45

both of us to be undefeated that late in a season

33:47

and to get that win was big. Did

33:49

you enjoy that rivalry, Logan, I mean you were talking

33:51

about you know, we were only a young player there, still

33:54

in your third year or something.

33:56

But did you get a sense of, oh, this

33:58

is a year, every day, ordinary NFL game

34:00

when you're playing those guys. Yeah, especially

34:03

well I first came in, we started, we were playing them every

34:05

year because we're both division winners, and

34:07

then my second year we had to go

34:10

lose to them in the ASC championship game, which

34:12

we would have won that Super Bowl for sure, but absolutely

34:15

that was a heartbreaker losing that game. I

34:17

was a second year guys sitting on that sideline going

34:20

holy crap, I don't know where we went in by twenty

34:22

one or something. I was like, We're going to go to the super

34:24

Bowl and then we craft the bed the second half.

34:28

Oh my gosh, I can't believe we lost that game.

34:31

Those in particular, so they

34:33

had won three in a row and then one

34:35

o three in a row. They had won three and then they went

34:38

three after you like, is

34:40

that the whole in the resume? Is that? Do

34:42

you do you have? Oh? Yeah, if you look back. People

34:46

asked me all the time, and I'm like, yeah,

34:48

I wish I would have won a super Bowl. But at

34:51

the end of the day, I

34:54

tried to tell like my family members, would that

34:56

make me a better dad or husband? Or now

34:58

I want to be a farmer? Now would

35:00

have changed my life at all? No? Did

35:03

I want to win one. I tried my absolutely

35:05

hardest to win one, but it just didn't

35:07

work out. And then, as you said, you know

35:09

in oh six, you're gonna beat Chicago.

35:11

If you don't lead seven,

35:14

you're thirty seconds away from perfection.

35:17

So it's not like you weren't on teams. You

35:19

know, some guys played their whole career. You know Joe Thomas,

35:22

you know, another tremendous offensive lineman,

35:24

plays his whole career in Cleveland. He never had a sniff.

35:26

Yeah, so yeah, sure, I'm sure he would have liked

35:29

to have won a super Bowl. He never came close it.

35:31

You know, you were on teams that had a lot of

35:33

success. Yeah.

35:35

I came close a lot a bunch of times,

35:37

a bunch of AFC championship games and lost

35:40

two super Bowls. So I

35:43

would give up. I don't know, some

35:47

accolades. I give up all my accolades

35:49

to win a super Bowl. But I

35:51

only got those because I was a decent player. But

35:54

other than that, I

35:56

I don't know. It wouldn't change anything for me

35:58

now. So I'm okay, I'm content

36:01

without winning a Super Bowl, isn't it?

36:03

You know you talked about things that you tell your family

36:05

members. Okay, in life,

36:07

you're gonna get knocked down. Oh yeah, it's

36:10

how you get up or don't get

36:12

up that really defines you.

36:14

You know. So if you're gonna sit there in your room and suck your

36:16

thumb because you lost, you know, to the giants,

36:19

what you know? What kind of person are you? Does

36:21

that help you as a as a parent?

36:24

You know, as to say I

36:26

live this? You know? Now what do you do about

36:28

it? Oh, it's so true. And if

36:31

that's the worst thing that happens during

36:33

my life, that'd be awesome. Like,

36:35

there's so many things that people go

36:37

through way worse on a daily basis than

36:40

losing. It's your livelihood

36:42

and your career and what you're striving for. But at

36:44

the end of the day, it's it's still a game,

36:47

and so many people are going through way

36:49

worse things. So you

36:51

just got to remember those kind

36:53

of things. Perspective, Yeah, perspectives, right.

36:56

We talked a little bit about the Colts Ravens.

37:00

I think we brought up which would you know any

37:02

any team in particular that you were like that

37:04

was the rival, that was the one that I I always joined

37:06

to Pittsburgh. I hated the

37:08

Jets and the Ravens, and

37:11

that's because we played them every year and they had good

37:13

players on defense. What about Channing

37:16

Crowder, Yeah, we didn't like

37:18

him either. I was going to get to my individuals.

37:21

One of my all time great Logan Mankins postgame

37:24

meetings in the locker room. I believe Matt

37:26

Light had his way a little

37:29

bit with Channing Crowder and

37:31

I was asking you, so what happened because I don't know. I just

37:33

looked up and saw Matt pounding him on

37:35

the head. So that was pretty cool. It was mid

37:38

light always had an understanding there was The

37:40

only words spoken were be ready. And

37:45

he wasn't usually next to me on field

37:47

goal and I look and he that

37:49

year he wasn't because that was the year he had like a

37:52

broken hand or something. So he had this cast on his

37:54

hand of again with and

37:56

he's lining it up next to me, and I'm like, what the heck's

37:58

Matt doing. He's like, ready, sound

38:01

like blogging that. I look over and Matt's like

38:04

pulling his helmet off and then hit him

38:06

on the head with his cast and then it turned

38:08

into a whole melee. So yeah,

38:10

you see that smirk on his face. That's how

38:12

he told the story to me hit the post

38:14

game. It's like, yeah, you just pounded on him on his

38:17

head. Yeah, it was great. But Crowder

38:19

he would be. He had been antagonizing

38:21

Matt the whole game and we were

38:23

beating him pretty good by then, so Matt just

38:26

lost lit the fuse a little bit and lost it.

38:28

And Matt was always

38:30

he was a great teammate too. I remember we played

38:32

Detroit one year. I don't know if

38:34

he was on Thanksgiving or not, but

38:37

me and Sue had been fighting the whole game and it

38:39

came time for field goal, and I just that

38:42

year Matt was next to me on field goal. I

38:44

just said get ready, and I

38:46

knew I jumped. Sue came low

38:48

on the field goal. I jumped back and I was pulling his helmet

38:50

off, and I looked to my side and Matts

38:53

just punching him in the ribs as hard as they can and as

38:55

fast as they can. Kind of teammates

38:57

you want, right, Absolutely, absolutely,

38:59

And that was even better because the referees

39:01

only threw a penalty on Sue, no one else.

39:06

Um. I mean, there was no disrespect to

39:08

a guy like Channing Crowder and Sue

39:11

she's still playing today, which you must amazed,

39:13

and he was. I have no problems

39:15

with Sue. He's an awesome player. That's just how I played

39:18

football, and he played it, so he would

39:20

have done the same thing to me, So I'm not worried about

39:22

it. Who were the people, Logan, when you think about

39:24

it, when you knew that you were going to play

39:26

them that week, that you said I'd better put

39:28

more time in. I better study more, I'd

39:30

better get my body even more right.

39:32

Who are the guys that gave me the most difficult times?

39:35

There was Sue's number one. It that you

39:37

had to be ready. He was always a long, hard

39:39

day and he played hard and he was he

39:42

was a special strong guy, and uh,

39:46

you had to be ready for that game. There

39:48

was numerous other guys. When I played against Richard

39:50

in Oakland, he was He was still

39:53

a very good player then, and of

39:55

course that was the game the

39:57

first time played in New England, so he was going

39:59

like a five million miles an hour. He was

40:01

wanting to kill us for trade him. Who

40:04

else? Albert Hainsworth

40:06

in his early career was so good

40:09

and then he just I don't know, he got paid

40:11

and just quit. But his first like

40:13

five years he was special. I

40:18

got to play Aaron Donald his

40:20

first two years in the league, and

40:22

just his athletic ability is phenomenal

40:25

for someone inside at

40:27

a three technique. He's special,

40:29

special talent. But I

40:32

watched now and I see some of these guys there.

40:34

There's just so many good athletes that are

40:37

so big now it's it's pretty

40:39

amazing. So I wanted to get back to that Tom

40:41

Brady thing that you mentioned,

40:43

you know, just kind of getting to know him when you got

40:45

here. He certainly knew who

40:47

you were, because when you got dealt to Tampa.

40:50

I don't know how much of this you know. I'm

40:52

sure you talk to him privately. It

40:54

was basically a wildcat strike. Tom

40:56

Brady grew a beard like yours and he was

40:59

not happy for a long time. Right, Um,

41:02

how could did that make you feel? Like? To know

41:04

that you had that kind of respect from from a

41:06

guy like that? Oh? Great?

41:09

Tom Sowell respected, So to be respected

41:11

by him was always great. And he knew

41:14

how much the team and football meant to me. And I

41:17

wasn't just here collected and checked that it. I

41:19

actually was doing all I could

41:21

to make the team better, make myself

41:24

better, to win football games.

41:26

And I knew i'd

41:28

be missed the day guy traded. There ended

41:30

up being a big party at

41:33

my house that night, and I

41:35

didn't throw it, just a lot of guys

41:37

came over and we toured up pretty good that night,

41:39

and so it was good. Didn't

41:42

know that I meant something the most of those guys

41:45

that I mean, when you get kicked

41:47

in the in the in the

41:49

privates like that. But to know that you

41:51

have the support of the people that you were going to battle

41:53

with every single day, Yeah, it probably doesn't

41:55

take the sting away, but

41:58

it makes you feel like maybe you would in the

42:00

right thing if you had. Because you were saying earlier,

42:02

you know, all you asked for is a respect out of your

42:04

teammates. That's what you're playing for, right Yeah.

42:07

Yeah, and your teammates and your coaches. I

42:09

always wanted to make my coaches happy

42:11

and or in their respect. So

42:15

but I knew there was a possibility

42:17

I could get traded. There's there always is, and

42:19

we had had discussions on things

42:22

and we

42:24

just couldn't come to a mutual agreement,

42:27

and then that was one of the possibilities. So

42:30

I have no hard feelings on it. It's a business,

42:32

right right. You know you mentioned

42:34

you know still seeing Sue play, you

42:36

can still watch Tom play.

42:38

Are you surprised? Did

42:41

you think when you were here that something

42:43

like that was he talking about it? Then?

42:46

Did you think that could you even entertain the fact

42:48

that this guy would be playing into his mid forties.

42:50

I didn't think he'd be playing that long, but before

42:53

I left, he was definitely in his taking

42:55

care of his body trend and

42:59

his new those new workout regimens

43:01

and all that stuff. So but

43:04

the amazing thing is he's still going

43:06

and he still plays very well. And I

43:10

couldn't go that long. I was done mentally.

43:12

I think I retired at thirty three, and my

43:14

body was fine. I could have kept playing, but mentally

43:17

I just wanted to do something else. Was part of that

43:19

Tampa just sort of not

43:22

being in the mix anymore, or was it just

43:24

that you had you'd had enough? Well that did

43:26

play into it. That's probably what wore me out mentally.

43:29

Yeah. So I went to Tampa my first year and

43:31

it was just a shit show.

43:34

They had a new coach at New GM and they were

43:36

trying to rebuild, and there was

43:38

just so many people in that building that

43:41

not building but locker room,

43:43

that just didn't care. They were just on a team

43:45

to be on the team. So

43:47

the second year they got rid of at

43:50

least a third of those or a

43:52

third of the team, and brought in guys that they

43:54

found, guys that cared, And the second year

43:56

was so much better. I think we only won six

43:59

games, but just the

44:01

effort and the change

44:05

of people carrying and getting guys

44:07

that wanted to play football. They might not have been as

44:09

talented, but they did the right things.

44:11

They worked hard, they studied, they were

44:14

where they were supposed to be. They

44:16

might not have been able to make the ninety

44:18

nine yard touchdown, but they'd get

44:20

you down there in five or six place. So it's

44:23

not all about being the best athlete. It's you

44:26

got to be able to put in. You gotta be smart, study

44:29

because everyone's good so and

44:31

you got to be where your your teammates expect you to

44:33

be. Do you think that that's why you clicked

44:36

here? Locan? Is because the things that maybe

44:38

people can't put their

44:40

finger on, the study time, the

44:43

caring, the doing the little

44:45

things and the extra things, the details,

44:47

the fundamentals, that's what this

44:49

program. Those are kind of the tenants that this

44:51

program's built on. And that's what you believe.

44:54

Oh, I fed in perfect. I loved to hear I

44:57

laugh when those guys say New

44:59

England's no fun team or something. We

45:01

had a blast we were see

45:04

Bill, you had a pretty good group though, don't

45:06

you think you would an unremendous

45:08

group? Yeah? Fun guys, We

45:12

worked hard and we played hard. We had fun. Together,

45:14

and we but we worked hard together. And

45:17

I always said, Bill doesn't care

45:19

if you joke around and have fun, but

45:21

you better be doing what you're supposed to be doing. You

45:23

better not be screwing up at practice, screwing up

45:25

in the games, late to anything. If

45:28

you do everything you're supposed to do, then

45:30

you're allowed to have fun and joke around

45:32

and do dumb things a practice and in

45:34

the locker room, but then when you're plays

45:37

called, you better not screw up out there. So

45:40

and you knew that seventy

45:42

two had your back or sixty seven

45:44

had your back or sixty one

45:47

had your back. You guys were close

45:49

and you held each other accountable, didn't you. Oh

45:52

yeah, definitely. We worked out together.

45:54

We ran together. We

45:56

uh, we did stick together.

45:58

There was one year so

46:02

when we would run, we

46:05

would always stick together on the sprints. And

46:08

we were all pretty good guys

46:10

at running. We could run pretty good. And

46:13

uh, when you're dirt OTAs, Bill

46:15

starts yelling at us because we're all in

46:17

a line just running. He's like, you,

46:19

guys, I know, Neil, you're faster

46:22

than so and so, and Meggas, you're faster

46:24

than him. You guys, should be ahead of him. Light,

46:26

you should be up there passing everyone, and

46:29

Light just keeps saying, don't break,

46:31

don't break. We stick together,

46:33

band of brothers. So

46:36

the next one we run Light,

46:39

we stayed in the same line, and Bill's getting

46:41

pissed, and then pretty soon Bill

46:43

tells everyone else to stop running. Now it's just the

46:46

old line. We have to run and stick and

46:48

stayed and we stayed together the whole time. I don't

46:50

know how many extras we had to run, but the whole time

46:52

Lights going hold

46:56

and no one wrote though. We stuck together. So

46:58

finally Bill gave up. Let the team leaves

47:02

again, right right right,

47:05

But that was just Light. He loved to do stuff

47:07

like that. He's like, we gotta

47:09

stick together, no one break. Do

47:11

you still it sounds like you're

47:13

still in touch with with Matte that

47:16

any any other teammates. Yeah, Copan

47:19

still he lives right down on Rhode Island.

47:22

Russ Hoakstein lives in the same town as I do.

47:25

Lights and Foxboro still, so I see those

47:27

guys that are around the area

47:29

and still talk to a few others. Still

47:32

get together for barbecues, Not as

47:34

much anymore. So my kids are older

47:36

now, and lights kids are

47:38

older. But the other guys their kids are

47:40

still young and they're running around

47:43

like crazy. So not

47:45

as much as we used to. Everybody's

47:48

busy, right, And I mean I don't mean

47:50

that. I don't mean that as everybody's busy,

47:52

busy with life right. It's

47:55

crazy how busy you can get. And

47:57

now it seems like I don't remember this when I was

47:59

a kid. But my kids signed up for every sport

48:01

that's available. I'm like, do

48:04

we have to sign up for everything? Like, can't

48:06

we take a season off on something? But no,

48:09

you're just year round sports. It feels

48:11

like driving kids everywhere, you

48:13

know. We started this off And I was busted

48:15

Paul's boss about, you know, being that parent in

48:18

the stands? Do you like being in

48:20

the stands? Do you enjoy watching your kid

48:22

and watching them play? Such a great feeling, isn't

48:25

it? Yeah? I do. So.

48:27

I coached my boys a football six seventh

48:29

and eighth grade, and then when they get to

48:31

high school, I stop. But I

48:33

was offered to coach at the high school, and I

48:36

told him I just want to be a fan and sit and watch

48:39

and enjoy watching them. And

48:41

and then I told him I could complain about his coaching

48:44

so but

48:47

no, I just like watching them. We

48:49

talk about stuff after the game on

48:52

what they should have done, just like every other day.

48:54

Yeah, yeah, Logan,

48:57

thanks for stopping by, Man all right, it's

48:59

a lot of fun, a lot of fun. Nothing

49:01

else, that's it. It It was very easy one to say, yes, we

49:04

aim to put out your gut. Yeah we're still we can

49:06

still roll. What do you get? What do you want to share? You

49:08

guys have the questions. No,

49:11

I think I think we touched on every day we wanted Logan.

49:13

Thanks for coming in, Man than our

49:15

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49:17

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