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It's time for another episode of Pats from

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the Past, our podcast Matt Smith alongside

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with Brian Moorey. We're not outside anymore,

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Bryan, since you've bailed. We're

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like the Red Sox twenty eight players, twenty

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eight caps, but we are pleased to

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be joined by number fifty nine

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in your program, but number one in your heart,

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Roosevelt Colvin Live from Indianapolis,

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Rosie, how you doing, man? Good

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Man? Just finished

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cutting my grass, so sunny

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day here in Indy, So doing well, man,

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blessed? Did you ever so like

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listening to those dulcet tones again brings

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back so many memories when we used to have you do vo

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work back in the studio. Did you like?

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I know you're very busy and why we want to

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let fans know what you're up to these days. Did you

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ever pursue a voice over career, man, because

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you should have. I

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did not, But if there's anyone

0:57

out there that is looking, I'm

1:00

open to it. I did a series for Purdue

1:03

football here recently. The

1:06

five hundred game in ross A Stadium

1:08

was their their season opener against It

1:11

was an Oregon State and my

1:14

daughter, who is a freshman

1:16

volleyball player at Purdue moved

1:18

in over the summer, so they asked me to

1:21

do sort of a recording

1:23

and a taping of her moving in, and

1:26

then they asked me to do some voice

1:28

holders for Purdue football. And I

1:31

enjoy it, man, you know, it

1:34

gives me an opportunity

1:36

to show my personality. My

1:38

mom was a was a small time

1:41

actress here in Indianapolis for years and

1:44

did plays. I actually was in one of the plays

1:46

with her, the Helen Keller Story. And

1:49

it allows me to dabble in my in

1:52

my acting mold. I don't know if

1:54

I would never be an actor, but I think I

1:56

could get away with it on some small roles.

1:59

And I think if memory, he sure's me right, we

2:02

are Trell Hawkins. I think we opted

2:05

for him after you had done a year or show our

2:07

Treill Hawkins. That's a nice voice, man, Remember

2:09

his voice? Yeah, Treel has

2:11

a really uh masculine,

2:13

deep as voice.

2:17

Last time I saw t was, man,

2:20

I want to say it was at a super

2:23

Bowl. I don't know if it was a super Bowl here or

2:25

maybe it was the Combine here in Indianapolis,

2:27

and he had he was doing a radio

2:30

show. I can't remember who was doing it with, but it

2:32

was either the Bangles of the Brown who was an Ohio

2:35

radio show that he was doing and uh voice

2:37

is the same man the dude is he? Now?

2:39

If anybody needs to be getting paid doing all

2:42

stake commercial, that dude, he's the guy

2:44

I am up for. If anybody is watching

2:46

or watches the podcast, man reach out to me.

2:49

I have I have ample

2:51

time on my hands if you need me, well

2:53

you really, no one's ever told me man, I have

2:55

delta time, So I don't think

2:58

you really don't, Rosie. So let's um,

3:00

let's refresh, Patriot fans what it is

3:02

that you're up to these days? And you are a very

3:04

busy man. Yeah,

3:07

Man, being a dad is

3:09

and a husband is always a number one

3:12

on my list. So me and

3:14

Tiffany are still happily married,

3:16

enjoyed life here in Indy. Um,

3:19

my oldest son and moved has moved

3:22

to Chicago. My oldest daughter

3:24

is here in Indy. My

3:26

youngest daughter, Raven, she is that as

3:28

a freshman at Purdue now playing

3:30

volleyball. And then our youngest Miles,

3:33

which he you know he was he was four or

3:35

five when we are My last

3:37

year in New England. He is now a

3:40

sixteen year old junior and he's committed

3:42

to play basketball and Purdue in a couple of

3:44

years. So outside of you

3:46

know those things going up and down sixty five

3:48

to Lafayette to watch Raven or with

3:52

Miles on a visit, or you

3:54

know a basketball entity situation. But

3:57

outside of those things, um, we

3:59

still own and operate to five UPS

4:02

scores here in the area, which have been

4:04

you know, great for us. Those

4:06

are going well. And then we still have the

4:08

bakery. I know you guys. I

4:10

hope you guys will have the opportunity to taste

4:13

a couple of the treats that came

4:15

from Swedi's Gonna make treats my wife's bakery.

4:18

She's expanded to two locations now

4:20

and we're I think we're going

4:22

on twelve years in businesses

4:24

with years is two twenty one, yea, So we're

4:27

going on twelve years in business. And I

4:29

still coach middle school sports at

4:32

Heart's Christian School here in Indianapolis.

4:34

I enjoy that a lot, just because it's it's

4:36

my ministry allows me to pour

4:39

into kids that I think are going to be the pillars

4:42

of our communities. Here in the city and help

4:44

them understand what they can learn from sports

4:46

and athletics, the bonds that they

4:48

can have from their teammates.

4:50

And then ultimately, if there's some

4:52

kids that can go Division one and play

4:54

you know, athletic, play Division of Athletics and ultimately

4:57

go pro, you know, trying to help those parents, you know, make

4:59

those assis as well. Um. And then

5:01

the last thing, which is probably one of my busier things,

5:03

is my basketball club, which you know, Miles

5:06

is probably the feature player, and that's the Indian's Basketball

5:08

Club. And again just trying to

5:10

help mentor you know, young kids and families

5:13

to get the opportunity and chances that I had when

5:15

you know, I was you know, when I got the chance to go

5:17

to Purdue and then ultimately to the NFL. So

5:20

wait a minute, now, no recruiting violations

5:22

with Boster kids going to Purdue. I mean, you gotta

5:25

be a Booster, right, I mean, what the heck

5:27

I watched on the blindside they got they investigated

5:29

Michael or for going to missus It old miss

5:32

Hey. Um, so there

5:34

aren't any recruiting violations I have. I

5:38

try not to donate any funny

5:40

money at all, but no, seriously,

5:43

U my, you know Raven

5:46

has you know, she did a great

5:48

job of working herself into that opportunity that Purdue

5:51

and coach Shaun Deal and the pretty volleyball

5:53

program have been a

5:55

pillar in national volleyball across

5:57

the country for years, the Shaundal family, So him

6:00

acknowledging and seeing her as a talent

6:03

to come on board was you know, huge

6:05

for us obviously being produd um.

6:07

And then Miles, you know, Miles is and

6:10

I hate to say sixteen year old Feen now, that kid

6:12

he is, He's a much better athlete

6:14

than I am. It's much better basketball player.

6:16

I would say that I probably I'm probably better a football player. But

6:20

for Purdue to recognize who he was at

6:22

an early age, he was offering a scholarship in fifteen,

6:25

So you know, for that situation to develop

6:27

you where it is now, I tip my hat to them,

6:29

and they work hard. I pushed them, you know, my

6:32

years there in New England have given

6:34

me opportunities to help them understand what it

6:36

takes to be um the

6:38

best or if not the best, in a

6:41

part of the best. And so they're they're

6:43

soaking that up, and uh, you know, we're

6:46

moving forward with him. So Rosie, can

6:48

you elaborate. I want you just said a little bit because you

6:50

cited your years in New England. I'd like to know

6:52

what that how that translates

6:55

to what you're talking about now about helping the other

6:57

kids win. Yeah,

6:59

you know my forgetting, you know,

7:01

not forgetting, but you know put putting kids,

7:04

my kids and the kids that I mentor side.

7:06

You know, my years in New England helped

7:09

me every single day when it comes

7:11

to running my businesses, being able

7:13

to watch

7:15

mister Craft and Bill guys

7:17

I, Scott Pioli, you know, everybody that was in the

7:21

in the scouting department, um, all the

7:23

way down to you know, the training room staff,

7:25

to equipment room staff to you

7:28

know those that prepare food for us. You

7:30

know, all those entities and operations

7:33

that contributed to championship seasons.

7:36

And not every year was a super Bowl year. But

7:38

as I look back on my years in New England, I

7:41

think every year we were you know, you

7:43

know, we were above five hundred. I think the worst year

7:45

that I had when New England was the year that I came

7:47

back with my last year when

7:50

you down and Matt Castle was a quarterback and

7:52

we missed the playoffs, um, you know to

7:56

the Dolphins. I think it was five

7:58

too, by the way, Yeah,

8:02

yeah, eleven five, And that was that

8:04

was sort of like an anomaly. And so for me, I

8:06

take those situations on how build

8:09

UM can um

8:12

you know, and I said, manipulate, but handle

8:15

different egos, balance

8:17

the cap. Those are realized situations

8:19

and people don't really understand that. You know, every day

8:22

regards to what you know, what entity, your situation

8:24

you're in. You know, there are egos

8:26

in every workplace. UM, there are

8:29

you know, different pay scales in every workplace.

8:31

And so for me, I have a model.

8:34

Um, there's a budget that I have to

8:36

balance. There's a certain amount of funds

8:38

that I can pay certain individuals

8:40

that are in certain roles and so um,

8:43

those those lessons that I saw, those

8:45

lessons that I learned soaked up. As you know, my

8:47

five to five and a half six years there

8:49

in New England were huge or now are huge now because

8:52

it helps me, you know, balance those things

8:54

with my current staff. Um. You

8:56

know, people ask why or

8:58

how and I say, man, I I have some

9:01

some some on site lessons that I learned

9:03

in in in Foxborough that

9:06

you know, I could you know, I couldn't learn anywhere else,

9:08

so that those were big And then

9:11

I'd say, um, you

9:13

know when you transfer that down to or

9:15

dump it down to, you know, my everyday activities.

9:18

When it comes to use sports,

9:21

um, you know, there's a truth in

9:23

u sports that some parents don't see or don't

9:25

want to hear. And um,

9:27

you know, my son goes to a small

9:29

two A school. There are a lot

9:31

of kids that go to that school, a

9:33

lot of parents that feel entitled.

9:36

Um, not even you know, not to forget the school. But

9:39

you know, we play, we played travel basketball.

9:41

We go around the country and play and

9:44

kids try out for club teams and they

9:46

feel like they're better than the next person. And

9:49

a lot of times parents will understand it takes a lot of work

9:52

to be elite. It takes a lot of work

9:54

to be the best. And I was able to participate

9:57

on teams that were elite, that were

9:59

the best, uh, you know, time and time again.

10:02

And the reasonings

10:04

why, the reason, the house, the twos,

10:06

the how twos, the weirs, the winds,

10:09

you know, getting the edge. You know, I know you guys remember

10:11

that that term that you know, big back and

10:14

Um, you know Woody and all those guys used

10:17

to say brew we used to get

10:19

the edge on your opponent. Those are those are terms

10:21

and mindsets that I pass on to my

10:24

kids, my blood. You know, kids

10:26

that you know Raving and Miles as they are continuing

10:28

their athletic careers, but also kids

10:30

that I coach and I can be able to touch. So um,

10:33

my years in New England are priceless to

10:36

me at this moment in my life. So I

10:39

think a lot of Patriot fans probably forget that

10:41

you didn't start your career in New England. You started in Chicago.

10:44

And Brian mentioned recruiting, you

10:46

know, as far as produce concerned. But I

10:48

think Patriot fans would be interested to know, Rosie,

10:51

what your recruitment was

10:54

like when you became a free agency.

10:56

You know, how did that go down the

10:58

eventual path to get here to New England.

11:02

Man, I've told this story many

11:04

times and I don't know people

11:06

believe me. But I

11:09

didn't want to come to New England. I was

11:12

a free I was in Chicago. Um. Love

11:15

the Bears, Love the Bears organization, m

11:18

mc caskeys, the you know, great people, um,

11:22

and one of

11:24

the One of the reasons why I became a free agent was

11:26

because of the infamous checkbox

11:28

situation. And I have yet

11:30

to be able to ask if this was done purposely

11:32

or not. But when I was drafted,

11:35

there were three linebackers myself, war Holeman, Carry

11:37

Samuel. Then my second year

11:39

that drafted Brian or Lacker, which I tell

11:41

people all the time, I'm the reason why Brian is in the Hall of Fame,

11:44

which I'm not never gonna back down for that. But anyway,

11:49

so myself and Warholess

11:51

contracts were coming up at the same time Brian

11:53

came on, had a hell of a rookie year.

11:56

Um so after my

11:59

third season, you know, my rookie

12:01

year contract expires and sold as Ward Homans

12:04

for some strange reason. Um

12:07

you know, teams had to when that strange regent.

12:09

But teams when they when they send in their restricted

12:11

free agents, you know all that stuff. Back in

12:13

that CBO you had to check certain boxes,

12:15

and so on Ward's contract there

12:17

was a box that was unchecked where that if

12:20

he went out and got a contract,

12:22

he was not getting matched. So

12:25

there was a potential situation that, um,

12:28

I was gonna be a free agent. Work was gonna be a free

12:30

agent, and Bran Arlier was gonna be free agent, and

12:32

they were gonna lose the whole linebacking corps.

12:35

And so they ended up signing

12:37

War to an extended deal sort

12:39

of put you know, lift the fuse on, you know, my time

12:42

in Chicago. And

12:44

so we played

12:46

the Patriots my free agent year in

12:49

Champagne. Uh, we

12:51

got cheated. I don't know how they called that

12:54

was a great catch at the back of the David

12:57

Patton was out of bounds. I don't know how that's

12:59

what David happen. Yeah, David Patton was out

13:01

of bound. Late great David Patton got rested,

13:03

so was out of bounds. No way,

13:07

light was light was holding me the entire

13:09

drive I was. I was off

13:12

the ball so fast that drive. I come back and watch the time.

13:14

I was off the ball so fast. There's no way that time got

13:16

the ball off. Tim threw a

13:18

pass to David Patton back in the end zone. They

13:20

claimed he scored Toes said, we lost the game. But anyway,

13:22

that was my audition, I think for Bill. And

13:25

so all season came, I

13:28

had I had, you know, I had

13:30

injured my shoulder and Purdue my last

13:32

game in the I Want Bowl, and I never got it fixed. And so

13:34

my show I literally played three years, three

13:36

and a half years in Chicago would just went arm. I

13:39

would go out hit people, my shoulder would dislocate,

13:41

it would go numb for the rest of the game, and I would just be out

13:43

to tackle the one arm. So I

13:46

had surgery, didn't go. I was supposed

13:48

to go to the Pro Bowl that offseason, didn't go to the

13:50

Pro Bowl. Um

13:52

and my Asian calls and said, hey man, well you know, here's

13:55

the plan with this what we gonna do? And I said, hey man, look, this is

13:57

what I want. I want to be somewhere

13:59

warm, arm or indoors on

14:02

turf because I was a pass

14:04

rush guy. And I said, I don't want to go like

14:06

I'm coming I'm in Chicago, like if they're not

14:08

gonna sign me back, then I want to go somewhere where

14:10

I can control, you know what, my

14:12

stats and getting indoors. So Detroit

14:15

was on my list, Tampa was on my list,

14:18

Jacksonville, San Francisco,

14:21

you know all one other times he called

14:23

me and said, hey man, Bill,

14:26

Bill Bill wants wants you, wants to bring you

14:28

out I'm like Bill, who

14:31

said Bill? I said, that's

14:34

the dude they used to coach with Bill Parcels

14:36

right. He's like yeah, I said, nah, Man,

14:40

we'll talk to him later. Let's go to Jacksonville,

14:42

you know, Let's go to Detroit.

14:45

Mar marriage just got the he

14:47

either guess you got the job. Can't

14:50

remember. I think Arizona

14:52

offered you a deal. They did, And so

14:55

I'm on plane, like, I go to Detroit and

14:57

Detroit lazy and I didn't give me a d I got into my basement.

14:59

They gotta fifty nine Jersey. Go

15:02

to dinner. I think that's where married you was. We go to

15:04

dinner. My

15:06

my agent calls said, hey, man, Bill wants

15:08

to talk to you. I said, I don't want

15:10

to talk to Bill. Okay, I'm not

15:12

going to New England because New England

15:15

it's colder than Detroit. I mean, I'm colder than

15:17

than Chicago. So he says,

15:20

okay. So my next stop was

15:22

Arizona, and at that time,

15:25

um, I can't I didn't

15:27

remember who the coach was in Arizona, but

15:29

Arizona wasn't next stop. And I get the Arizona

15:32

Denny Green maybe through the whole thing.

15:34

With Arizona. You know, they got me on the

15:36

billboard and our stuff. And so

15:38

we fly back, no deals in place. And

15:42

so the next stop was Jacksonville. So

15:45

I go to Jacksonville, visit

15:48

with Jacksonville, have a great time. Like man,

15:50

I love a Jacksonville small town, you know, one

15:53

climate ready, go got a little nice

15:55

turf, you know, and

15:57

get back to the hotel room. He's like, you know they're talking

16:00

about Detroit's got you know, I got Detroit on the line.

16:02

Yeada, YadA, he said. Man, Bill

16:05

called again. I said, dude,

16:07

I don't want to go to New England.

16:10

So uh he says,

16:12

he said, Rosa, you gotta go. You gotta

16:15

go, I mean, he said, he said, this is Bill Belichick. You

16:17

know they just came off a super Bowl. You

16:19

know you gotta go. I said, Okay, I'm gonna I

16:24

fly into I fly in the logan

16:27

never I'll never forget this. They

16:30

picked me up scout, I can't remember. I think his name was Sean

16:32

picked me up in a four tourists like

16:35

every other every other visit Limo

16:38

like stretch Limo, right five

16:40

star hotel. They picked me up in a four

16:43

tourist and this dude's got scouting

16:45

papers and stuff in the car. Old McDonald's

16:47

back. We drive, We're going down

16:49

the highway and I'm just looking

16:51

at I'm just looking outside the car and I'm looking

16:54

at like it's trash

16:56

everywhere, Like do they

16:58

not clean up the highway? Like is going on?

17:00

Because you know, I'm coming from Indiana, Indiana, you

17:02

know highways. Everything it's trash,

17:05

It's it's gloomy, it's an overcast.

17:07

We pull up to the stadium. Nobody's there, walk

17:11

in, lights are off, Bills in there

17:13

in his office. Bears shows up. Right,

17:15

my first time I ever being Bears. Bears

17:17

shows up saying, hey, I'm Bears and Jarring.

17:20

I'm you know Bills, you know, assist in Yetta Yadas.

17:22

Okay, he said, Bill would be ready for you the second.

17:25

Take you a little tour, a little quick tour. Bears

17:27

walks me down the main hallway, get

17:30

to the locker room. Lights off in the locker room,

17:32

and say, hey, this is the locker room. Doesn't even

17:34

turn the lights on. This is the locker room.

17:36

He's I'm gonna take you upstairs. He takes me. It

17:38

takes me to an elevator, takes me upstairs like on the

17:40

club sweeks or something like that. It has like

17:42

it has like some pictures. Some guys on the wall say, this is

17:44

the club. Sweet. You know he had a yeta. Take

17:46

you back down the Bill. I get

17:49

back down the Bill's office. Uh.

17:51

We sit in the office and we watch film

17:54

like, man, what do we doing? Man? Like,

17:57

let's go out to eat. Where's the state dinner?

17:59

You know what. I'm in Boston. Give me some lobster

18:01

or something. Nothing. Uh,

18:04

talk to Bill, you know me

18:06

shows me some films. This is how we want to use You were

18:08

watching my old film in Chicago. What do you think

18:11

of here? What was you think of here? I'm

18:13

like, dude, what are we in there talking about? Um?

18:16

And then get to the end of the

18:18

visit and they take me

18:20

back to the h what's

18:23

the team hotel doing? Training camp? What's

18:26

now? The four points? Was at the four point? And you know

18:28

I'm at the residence in? Yeah, yeah, I

18:31

think, and I maybe even take it. But I'm at the residence

18:33

in and I call my hey, man, can

18:35

you get me a ticket home? A sat?

18:38

Okay, So I miss Nancy. I don't know if it's Nancy still

18:40

there. But yes, miss Nancy

18:42

gets me the first flight out. She says, hey, Rosie,

18:45

thanks for coming and get you if I said, give me the first

18:47

because they want to do something the next day, I'm like, man, give me the first

18:49

flight. And so that

18:52

either I don't know it was that night that morning shot

18:54

picks me up in the same four tours. I think it was

18:56

a ninety five. It had to be a ninety five, so you

18:58

know it's seven years old. Ninety four

19:00

towards taking the logan dropped me off. I'm like, I may appreciate

19:03

it. I'm out at the end of the

19:05

day. Man um. They offered me the best

19:07

contract out of everybody, and uh, it worked

19:09

out to be the best situation for me.

19:11

So I don't regret those So wait a

19:13

minute, tremendous story would have you and

19:16

Rodney Harrison shared your free stories

19:18

because he signed the same year, right, and they took

19:20

they took him to eat at the ground round. They

19:22

took him on the ground around. I don't

19:25

I don't even know what the ground run. No,

19:27

it's like, what's the place downtown and shake

19:30

Shake burger or something like that, like a

19:32

burger. It's it's what it is kind

19:34

it's like a nine, like an apple piece

19:36

apple, it's like apples. Okay with that, But

19:39

at the end of the day, Uh no, I don't think I've

19:41

talked to Rodney, but I do remember I'm trying to think.

19:44

I don't know if me and Rodney signed at the same time.

19:46

I think we signed either within the club

19:50

was really and tyrone Pool too, right, yeah teo

19:52

yet so that, um,

19:55

that experience just showed me, you

19:57

know, you know, as as I lived back on my time and

19:59

winning, the just told me what they're all about. It's

20:01

all about winning. There's no there's

20:03

no fancy. There were no fancy.

20:06

Now. I don't know if Bill has adapted his model

20:08

and his thought process, but you

20:11

know, for me, uh, it was

20:13

fine because you know, I've never I've never really been

20:15

that guy anybody to be, you know, you know, uh,

20:18

Wind and Dye. It really was, man,

20:21

how much money do you have? And I hate to say

20:23

that, how much money do you have? And they offer

20:25

me the best contract and I

20:28

appreciate them. Well, a lot of people around here with

20:30

short memories Rosie, you know, and every

20:32

we're all like what happened in the last hour?

20:34

Nobody has nobody can remember everything

20:36

short, attention spanning, everything like that. So

20:39

they spent a lot of money this offseason in free

20:41

agency, and you know, people going, oh wow,

20:43

look at the Patriots. They never in free agency.

20:45

They never signed top of the market guys, they

20:48

never, never, never, And we're going, do you guys

20:50

not remember Rosie Colvin an? Oh three? Do you guys

20:52

not remember Rodney Harrison and oh three? Bill

20:54

will do it if it makes sense and his guys

20:57

out there, and you were, you and Rodney

20:59

were as guys. Yeah, And I think

21:01

at that time, um, you know, Big

21:04

Mac was, you know, at the point where they were trying

21:06

to figure out where what was gonna you know, what they were gonna do with

21:08

him the next year or two. Um,

21:11

yeah, you know, verybel Mike. Michael just came

21:13

in the year before too. I don't know, think he

21:15

was different. Michael was there for the first Super Bowl, wasn't.

21:17

Yeah, Yeah, so Michael was. Michael

21:20

was sort of in that role of he was a free agent guy

21:22

coming in being a special team guy, kind of worked his

21:24

way into a playing role.

21:27

Um, you know, all the other backers were older.

21:29

You had Fife, you had Big Ted, Um,

21:33

Big Mac brew U,

21:35

chadham Izzo, and then

21:37

Tully came in and I was the eighth guy,

21:40

and I walked in that room, in that linebacker

21:42

room, and I was the second youngest guy in

21:44

the room to Tully Band the game as a draft

21:47

pick. Everybody else was six seven years

21:49

in the league. And um, you

21:51

know building and they spend, like you said, they spend

21:53

as long as it's it's a value that they feel. I mean, I

21:56

at that time I had signed the biggest fridge and contract

21:58

and Patriots history. But I also

22:00

think at that time the CBA wasn't to the

22:02

point where one the cap was

22:04

really high and you had to spend all

22:06

your money. I think that change and about

22:09

four or five or six years later where they said, you

22:11

guys can't hold on to the money, you gotta pay. You gotta pay

22:13

guys the money. And so I know a

22:16

couple of years later was when the Davis

22:18

came in and the Dailies, I mean made

22:20

my contract look like a like a like a like

22:22

a like. I was an undrafted free agent. So

22:24

um, I think Bill spends

22:26

where he wants to spend, and you

22:28

know, it just creates a dynamic of you guys

22:30

in the media, I want to talk about. Hey

22:33

man, I got a funny story though, So his

22:36

after Rosie signs here in

22:38

the off season, used to go down and meet with coach

22:40

Belichick, who coaches corner from Patriots Football

22:43

Weekly. So I'm sitting outside Bears's

22:45

office waiting to meet with Bill

22:47

and here comes Rosie and he sits down

22:50

and he's eat a sandwich from the player of dining room

22:52

and he says, Man, I'm getting so

22:55

sick of this food, and I like

22:57

this. There's like plenty of restaurants just getting

22:59

your car drat. He goes, well,

23:02

this is free. Yeah,

23:04

he designed the biggest contract in Patriots history

23:07

and he's sick of the food. But it was free, so he was eating

23:09

it. Well, I remember vividly. I

23:11

remember vividly the first time, so I started in

23:13

OH four. I remember the first

23:15

time on a team flight and

23:17

seeing Rosie and he looked like he was going

23:20

away for like a three weeks hibernation.

23:22

It was gatorade bottles, it was bags

23:24

and everything. And I said, what's with Rosy

23:27

taking everything off the plane? And somebody goes, what's

23:29

the price of the food? I said, smart

23:31

man, Smart man, smart

23:34

man. I'm if

23:37

it's free, give me three.

23:39

And I've tried to

23:41

teach my kids to take advantage of those

23:43

situations like Ravens that Purdue right now and

23:46

college sports is totally different than it

23:48

was when I was a college athlete. I mean, it's just

23:50

ridiculous what they what the kids

23:52

are offered and given now, But they

23:55

have like a whole full, like a

23:58

full blown movie bar

24:00

and snack bar in the

24:03

in the weight room for these causasses. I'm like,

24:05

Reagan, you need to make sure that you're getting because

24:07

when I was in college, we used to come off for three

24:09

days head training

24:11

to produce Denny Millard. He would only allow us to

24:13

get one juice. That was after practice. That was

24:15

after practice. We get one juice. And so I

24:17

would go back and back and I'm taking a whole six pack.

24:20

I'm taking a six pack and I'm drinking all of it right now, and

24:22

he would get mad and come take it back

24:24

out of my locker. And so over

24:26

the years, as I've gone through the process of

24:28

being a professional athlete, and I'm able

24:30

to, let's say,

24:32

take advantage of the free

24:36

merchandise, and you

24:38

know, I'm taken full advantage of its smart

24:41

man. So let me ask you this, right, you know,

24:43

Rosie, here you come. You know, rebuilt

24:45

Patriots defense, disappointment in their

24:47

mouths, you know, not making the playoffs. A new two

24:49

after winning the super Bowl. Bill's gonna reload, He's

24:52

hungry for bear and here comes Rosie

24:55

Colvin. Terrible Week

24:57

one. I know Brian wants to look at that for a second.

25:00

But but but when you get hurt in

25:02

Week two against Philadelphia, what's going

25:04

through your mind at that point in time? Like, what

25:07

must you have been thinking? Uh?

25:09

It was devastating, you know. Um,

25:13

I think back to that time. That's that was a life

25:15

changing moment for me. Um. And

25:20

I don't know if, if

25:24

if I would rather go through it again or

25:27

not. Um. I know, in

25:30

hindsight, there are some things that I

25:32

probably that I did probably four or five years

25:34

ago, that I wish I would have done right

25:36

after that situation happened. But you

25:39

know, free agent signing, biggest

25:42

free agent and Patriots history, you

25:45

know build, you know it's I remember the paper.

25:47

I remember the frontage of paper, second

25:49

coming of LT. Right, I'm like, man,

25:52

they compare me to LT. I don't Yeah,

25:54

I used to I'm playing tech Mobil with LT and

25:57

UH and I get there,

25:59

you know, try camp because I'm coming off the shoulder

26:01

surgery, so I can't do a whole I got a red jersey on the

26:03

training camp and

26:05

OTA's and all that stuff, and I'm just I'm

26:08

used to if I'm off the ball in Chicago, I

26:11

was, you know, mostly encouraged, but if I was on the

26:13

ball, typically I was rushing and so going

26:15

to a three four defense man, I'm geeked.

26:17

So I'm like, every player is a blitz for me. I can

26:19

just can just get it because for me, it's

26:22

all about get off on the ball. So I would literally

26:25

just key the ball and get off

26:27

and it would just be regular defense and build would

26:29

He would rip me in practice, like, man, you can't do

26:32

that because you're just creating a gap

26:34

in the lane. I'm like, well, I'm making

26:36

the play though, I'm right here. I'm tackling this guy in the

26:38

backfield. I said, I know we don't have pads on them,

26:40

but you let me do that in a game, and I'm gonna

26:42

I'm gonna have forty tackles for loss. And you know,

26:44

halfway through the season, he's like no, you for the integrity

26:46

of the defense. You can't do that. And I learned a lot

26:49

in training camp and going up to that first you know

26:51

game, we got our face kicked in in

26:54

Buffalo. Um, I think I did

26:56

okay. I didn't do bad. I didn't do well enough

26:58

obviously to help the team win. And

27:01

then going to Philadelphia,

27:03

Uh, that injury was

27:05

it was just it was it was. It was surreal. I

27:07

mean, I literally I'd never forget to play.

27:10

I came around on the stunt, you know, Big

27:12

Ted calls the fumber one on Donovan me

27:14

nab ball rolls out.

27:16

I'm coming around to the left side

27:19

and I take a peek up the field and I see

27:21

nothing but daylight. And I bend

27:24

over and I, you know, to do something I've done

27:26

thousands of times. I bend over

27:28

to grab a football and I miss

27:30

it and I have to reach back over

27:33

my hip and I hear the click. And

27:36

when I do that, I go to take another step and

27:39

my leg gives out. I just collapsed. And first

27:42

person on top of me with Brew and then every

27:45

ten up to everybody else just jumped on top of the pile um

27:48

because I got the first turn over the game, you

27:50

know, everybody was excited, you know, And

27:54

and I can't get up, and I

27:56

and I get myself up, I know, Brew

27:58

helps me up, and I kind of over to the sideline.

28:01

I still see the picture. There's a picture of me kind

28:03

of grimacing walking past one of the chains.

28:06

And I get to the

28:08

sideline and get over to the bench, and

28:11

I'm like, man, this doesn't feel something doesn't feel

28:13

right. I called Joe man Allen over

28:15

and I said, Joe, Man, I don't feel right, Man, I

28:17

said something. My hip doesn't feel right.

28:20

And he says, what do you mean. I said, man, it just feels

28:22

funny. And I

28:24

kind of leaned forward and it slides out

28:27

and I feel sharp pains, put

28:29

pain I've never felt before in my life. I was like, oh

28:31

my god. And I try to straightened

28:34

my leg. I'm sorry, I have to help me get back to the mike. I straightened

28:36

my leg out, it slides back in. I said, Joe,

28:38

Man, I don't. I don't. I don't think. I don't think my leg my

28:41

leg is right. And so

28:43

they put me on the back of the cart. They take me in

28:45

the locker room. I sit on

28:47

the train table again. It slips out again. I

28:49

said, man, I don't know what's going on, but

28:52

man, this is the worst pain I've ever felt in my life.

28:55

And so I

28:57

sit there for about thirty

28:59

minutes trying to figure out what is going on. Um,

29:03

get dressed, get on the

29:05

bus, you know, get back. You know, we headed

29:07

back, you know, to Foxborol from Philly.

29:10

Get on the plane. And I'm

29:12

sitting on the bus and

29:16

we're getting ready to get off, right in front

29:18

of you on Patriot Place, right in front

29:20

of the door that we go in, and and

29:22

it slips out again. And I said, hey,

29:24

man, I don't I don't know what's going on. But I don't. I

29:26

don't even know. I can't even walk right

29:28

now. And so I

29:32

get into the locker room, you know, my wife

29:34

comes, gets me. I get to the house, getting

29:37

home, and it slips out again. I'm like, we're

29:39

on this is like a fifth time, and it's and every

29:41

time it feels worse and worse. And so

29:44

they wanted me to go get an m I ride. I'll go to the m

29:46

my ride. It said, it looks like you know, you

29:48

you know, broke off, chipped off some bone and

29:51

it's like, you know, the hip joint is loose. So we're

29:53

trying to have a slight surgery, trying

29:55

to see if we can repair it. Get

29:58

to um to to

30:00

mass general. Is it massial?

30:03

Yes, yep. And I

30:05

go to sit down in the chair and

30:07

it slipped it out again, and

30:10

I tell the doctor. I said, hey, man, I don't know what you're gonna

30:12

do, but if you're

30:14

not gonna fix it, then but

30:16

let's not even do anything. But if you're

30:19

going in there, going there to fix it and fix it down because

30:21

I can't take this anymore. And

30:23

that was that right there, turned

30:26

me into a two hundred

30:28

and you know, forty five pounds

30:32

professional athlete that just signed

30:34

the biggest contract in Patris history, the

30:37

second coming to LT Maybe played

30:39

the Bears in the preseason and I

30:41

came off the edge one time and it

30:43

was the It was the same place, and so everything I was telling

30:45

bild and practice, I was like, man, you just let me go. I'm

30:47

gonna I'm gonna go tackle the quarterback every time. I'm gonna

30:49

be there so fast I tackle a quarter stary

30:51

before he can even hand the balls in

30:54

the backfield. I said, man, this is how it's

30:56

gonna beat, and I don't set a record for sacks

30:58

because I'm gonna I'm blazing, bill, just give

31:00

me. I went. I went from

31:03

that too, and I couldn't even

31:05

use the bathroom by myself. It was a very humbling

31:07

situation. I was bedridden for September

31:11

October and over two for three months. You know, I didn't

31:14

even I didn't even go to the facility because

31:16

I was so down and

31:18

disappointed that I couldn't play

31:20

football. But I didn't even play football, but

31:23

I just felt like it was the greatest opportunity I

31:25

had to display my talents. You know. I was I've always

31:27

been the person that was second

31:29

guest. I was always been a person that was and

31:31

he's not that good And this was my shot

31:34

and h and that

31:36

that was. It was devastating. So UM took

31:39

the next three months man to get

31:42

a little bit closer in my in my spiritual

31:44

life, my walk with christ. Um. You

31:46

know, I was able to spend more time with my wife,

31:49

my children, and got

31:51

the chance to eventually get back in to

31:54

the facility and see the guys. M

31:57

Brew came by. I never forget you know, Brew, you

32:00

know, he would come by. We played chess, um

32:02

to this day, we you know it, Brews was

32:04

a special place in my heart because he was one of the

32:07

the only people that you know, you know, was

32:10

you know, extended itself outside of the

32:12

locker room. Um. And not

32:14

that everybody anybody else you know, should have or

32:16

I wanted them to, but you know, it was just a special opportunity

32:20

and I appreciate him for that. And

32:22

uh, and the grind began. Man,

32:24

it was hard. It was really really tough. But that

32:27

that was that was that was devastating for me. And I

32:29

think that I probably could have

32:31

played more years, you know

32:33

after that, you know, with the way the CBA,

32:36

you know, they changed the CBA. I mean they barely out

32:38

there in the past probably you know, twelve times a year

32:40

and stuff like that. Man, that that would have saved my

32:42

body. But it was a it was a tough

32:44

It was a tough role to get back to

32:46

just being noticeable and just

32:49

being a resemblance of myself.

32:52

And I felt like, you know, I got to the point

32:54

where I was, you know, making some plays and it just

32:56

was some things that I couldn't do that created

32:58

the dynamic of not being that guy anymore,

33:02

you know, Rose You've talked a couple of times about

33:04

how Bill wouldn't set you free a little bit,

33:06

you know, if you could be made you a more

33:08

complete linebacker. I

33:10

think you did. Um, I was young,

33:12

you know again, I was.

33:15

I was young for my age,

33:18

just regardless, I you know, I was. I turned twenty

33:20

one my senior year at Review. I hadn't

33:22

I didn't go to a bar until my senior year

33:25

in West Laviette. So when I got to the NFL,

33:28

you know, there were guys most and most of

33:30

the guys I got drafted me were twenty three, twenty four years

33:32

old, two two three years older than me. Um.

33:34

So I think from the standpoint of

33:36

what I learned in New England, from

33:39

what I you know, where I came from in Chicago,

33:41

it was a tremendous opportunity for me

33:43

to grow as a player. I just think that I

33:45

wasn't able to maximize that because of

33:47

the injury and so lots

33:50

of explosives. Was that fair, Rosie, that you lost?

33:53

Is it fair to say I

33:55

lost? The instinct was there,

33:58

but the second and third

34:00

step, being able to bend on

34:02

that hip wasn't there. Um,

34:05

you know, And somebody said, well, when you just switched the other side.

34:07

Well, no, because you gotta push off the

34:09

other side. I couldn't dip on the right side

34:11

and I couldn't push on the left side.

34:13

So I had to, you know, I had to figure it out.

34:16

But I thought I did. Okay,

34:18

I thought I made a couple of plays after the

34:20

fact and bounce back room floor

34:22

started the Super Bowl, didn't you? Yeah? I did.

34:24

That was that and that was huge for me. I don't

34:26

know, you know, to missing the

34:28

first one after missing the first

34:31

one, which had to have been very tough. That had

34:33

to be like you're sitting there talking about mental and

34:35

you know, down in the dumps, you signed the biggest

34:37

reagent contractors, you're saying, and now

34:39

you watch that team go fourteen and two and win the Super

34:41

Bowl. That had to be tough too. And

34:44

the crazy thing is I predicted that record too. I

34:46

predicted the fourteen two better as Joe man out. I know

34:48

Joe doesn't work for the Page anymore, but I

34:50

told Joe in the training room, I said, man, I'm

34:54

I'm thinking fourteen and two and the next

34:56

year I predicted records, the undefeated

34:58

season, I predicted rec I'm talking about every

35:01

time. But you know, yeah, it the going

35:04

back to SUP to the Super Bowl that that

35:06

next year was really really huge

35:09

because then it allowed me to feel like I earned

35:11

it. You know, I got a ring, but you

35:13

know it was a group project. The next year,

35:16

I got a ring and I earned it, and then

35:18

I started in that game and

35:20

and made a couple of plays infamous

35:23

myself, Matt Lightning, and Brandon going all infamous

35:26

for being the most penalized university in

35:28

Super Bowl history. But outside that, man, we came up

35:30

with the win. Now, if I'm correct,

35:33

correct me if I'm wrong on this. You guys play

35:35

a four three all year in OH four

35:37

and then switched to a three four for the Super

35:39

Bowl or was it vice versa? It was vice

35:41

version we played. We played a three four

35:44

all year and then in the Super Bowl we go

35:46

to a four three

35:49

look and that put I

35:51

think it was tied in the middle along with Big C

35:54

and then you got Braves

35:56

and and and brew and

35:59

Fife and it was a it was called Dolphin

36:01

or something like that, but it was a whole new defense

36:03

we had never never ran before. And

36:05

we got down to Jacksonville and be it was like, oh, this is

36:07

what we're gonna run. All we going like, but

36:10

I get an opportunity to get on the field. I can play

36:12

defensive end. I don't have to work about dropping into coverage.

36:14

Let's go and uh it

36:17

was it was a good situation, man, I really,

36:20

I really am am appreciative

36:22

to mister Kraft and Build for

36:25

sticking with me. You know what I'm saying, because um

36:28

that that's a big injury. That was that. The

36:30

other thing that played in my mind was as

36:33

soon as I knew what it was, it was the same injury as

36:35

both jack and here we go back to Tech

36:38

Mobile, right, I'm playing with LT. Now I'm

36:40

supposed to be the next LT. I'm playing

36:42

UM the year before and

36:45

with the Bears. My last year we played San Francisco

36:47

and I played against Jerry Rice. I'm like, man,

36:49

Jerry Rice is the greatest receiver ever. Right, and now

36:52

I'm going I'm going

36:54

to New England and I'm supposed to be the next

36:56

LT. And I get an injury of both Jackson,

36:59

who I will always in Techno and Supertech

37:01

mobole because he was a beast, and

37:03

I got the same injury and he never came back from here is

37:06

I'm like, man, this is this is is

37:08

my career over And that really is what got

37:10

it started with the guest tours. So

37:13

and by the way, Bo Jackson couldn't be caught in

37:15

tech mobol. You used

37:17

them because you couldn't lose, right, you

37:21

know, You're sitting there talking Rosie about

37:23

Brew and Willie

37:26

and Rabes and you know

37:28

that group that you guys had, and then in

37:30

oh seven you add Junior. You

37:32

remember the cover shoot for SI.

37:35

Is that? Yes? You member, Billy I hope hanging

37:37

someplace in your home, because like,

37:39

if you think back at that, I mean like,

37:42

of course Taylor was on the cover of

37:46

SI, but SI wasn't really

37:48

there for a lot of linebackers. And that group you

37:50

guys being on the cover that season,

37:52

that had to be a pretty special deal for you guys, wasn't

37:55

it. It was obviously

37:58

I had never been on the cover, was illustrated. I

38:00

think Junior probably had been maybe once

38:02

or twice. Who else is in there? We will

38:05

Willie's on the cover after they beat the Rams

38:07

in the first Super Bowl. He's ear holing, uh,

38:10

Kurt Warner, I think on the cover is what

38:12

was yep so for for

38:15

for most of us, me, Brew, Braves

38:18

a d. I

38:21

can't remember who else was on there. I think there had to be another

38:23

other linebacker on it, Junior. Yeah,

38:27

but Junior had been on the cover the

38:29

first time we had been on it. But for me,

38:31

it was huge because you

38:33

know, I grew up you know, everybody, I think everybody you

38:36

know as a young kid grew up collecting Sports

38:38

Illustrated is if you're a sports fan, but you

38:40

know, my mom would get them. And

38:43

being that, you know again

38:45

everybody always I was always

38:47

second tiered of most people to be

38:49

on the cover Sports, right. I told my kids,

38:51

my kids I coached the other day, I was like,

38:54

man, I was on sports and said, they were like, what

38:56

I hate? Yeahs, I gotta bring

38:59

I gotta take some of those in before football seasons

39:01

away. But uh, that was huge, man, it

39:03

was big. And I and that

39:05

whole season, the things that were going on that whole

39:08

season were just just crazy,

39:10

just bananas, and I appreciate

39:12

it. I mean, well Brew I think never would

39:15

have thought I was been on a cover cover Spoints Illustrated,

39:17

but I was. Well Brew made it a point then

39:19

and I think he still talks about it while he's

39:21

on TV today and just if you could

39:23

comment about that, his fraternal

39:27

discussion about the position the

39:29

backer hood and you know

39:31

how you guys that group is

39:33

just a special group. And I think he still lives

39:36

and breathes that today. He's probably looking to

39:38

see if there's any linebackers at ESPN that

39:40

he can you know, have a bond

39:42

with. But that was a really big deal to

39:44

him, wasn't it. It was

39:46

It still is. I think he's got Robberberry

39:49

at ESPN now, so he can they can have some type

39:51

of type of Powerwell, but it

39:53

was special on unique. I mean I think you

39:55

look at you know, position on groups to

39:58

who the Bill Belichick, you

40:01

know sort of Tree is the Bill

40:03

Parcels Tree were talking about We're

40:05

in a meeting room with Pepper Johnson,

40:08

Like you know what I'm saying, Like that dude's a legend

40:11

again another techmobol legend. These

40:13

are guys that I'm sitting around

40:15

as a kid. And so when you talk about, um,

40:20

the dynamics of who's in the room, the

40:22

personalities, I mean, it was man

40:25

our meetings. It was

40:27

hard for a guy like Mattie Patricia to come

40:29

in there as a young guy to like what

40:32

we did to Mattie P. Was

40:34

what Pep and LT and

40:36

those guys did the Bill when he was coming

40:39

up under parcels like Mattie

40:41

P. I mean like Raves would totally

40:44

you know, make Mattie P feel like a

40:46

three year old because we do more

40:49

than he did. It's like, Mattie, why would

40:51

you even think that? Why are we in here talking

40:53

about this right now? Like we're

40:56

all bets, like we we know more

40:58

than you, dude, why are we even meeting so?

41:01

Um? And then you throw this thing like then Junior

41:03

comes in the room, right that's just

41:05

like okay, what what

41:07

what are you? What are you gonna do? What area gonna do with Junior?

41:10

When Junior says, man, I'm not doing it. So it was

41:12

it was a very unique situation. Now, I really really

41:14

uh cherish. I have a I don't

41:16

know where it is. I gotta find it. I have a I have

41:18

a notebook. You know everybody has a notebook, but I

41:20

had a notebook. And at that point

41:23

in my career, you know, I wasn't really taking about taking

41:25

notes. I was just writing down quotes that

41:28

Bill would say and Junior would say

41:30

back to Bill, or what what Braves

41:32

would say or what brew was. I literally

41:34

have notebooks full of you

41:36

know, one liners that I need to publish one that I need

41:38

to publish that book from there. Did Junior

41:41

call you Rosie? Or

41:43

did he call you buddy?

41:46

Because so

41:48

he called everybody buddy. Everybody

41:51

was buddy, but he did call

41:53

me Rosie and I appreciate that. But uh,

41:56

man, Junior was that's a special

41:58

dude. Man, I don't know, I don't

42:01

I've been very fortunate man to play with some great

42:03

guys. I think, I mean a lot. There's

42:05

been a lot of guys in New England are great too. But

42:08

I think everybody would say that too, but if they weren't

42:10

fortunate to be in the NFL. But Man, I just played,

42:12

was a great guy. I had the opportunity to

42:14

sit next to some great guys in the meeting, like Junior

42:16

saying, Richard Seymour, Willie McGinnis,

42:19

Mike Rabel, Teddy Bruce, I'm talking about

42:21

legends. These dudes are. Unfortunately

42:23

I didn't make the cut for Hall of Fame. I

42:25

didn't make the Hall of Fame cut the day announced the other day. But I

42:27

got I got five guys that I played with, you

42:29

know, just in New England that are on the Hall

42:32

of Fame, and so you know it. New

42:34

England's a special place and I want to ask

42:36

you about that. But first I want to ask you about

42:38

the chairs being replaced

42:41

in the Linebacker meeting room.

42:43

Do you remember that because Teddy Teddy

42:45

has brought his rocking chair into the Hall of Fame. Yes,

42:49

your rocking chair. I didn't get a rocking

42:51

chair. I didn't know you were too young. I didn't.

42:53

Yeah, I was too long. So because like I said, and

42:55

when I got to New England, I was twenty

42:58

I was twenty five. Everybody else was

43:00

like thirty years old. So all

43:02

the guys got rocketshires this up for me, and I'm like,

43:05

okay, that's fine. Me and Telly, Me and Telly to get

43:07

chatim. I don't think Chattam got a rockets here, and I'm not

43:09

sure if Zel got one. He might have, but

43:11

um, but man, just just the

43:15

the pure joy to be

43:17

there and what we did on a daily

43:19

basis, you know, in our room alone,

43:22

but then we get out on the on the

43:24

practice field. You know, me and Ella's tives talk about

43:26

all the time, our stretch lines. We

43:29

never stretched. We just it was we

43:31

either you know, we either you know, recited

43:34

coming to America or you know, listen

43:36

to Matt Light, you know, do his impersonations,

43:38

and then we got ready for practice. But I just

43:41

you know, I've been very, very blessed that

43:43

my time in New England was was was a great wa

43:45

I compared it to Chicago. I

43:48

had to. I had to be in prayer prepractice

43:51

in Chicago because it was so hard because

43:53

I had you know, um great guys. I

43:55

love him to death. Name is Dale Lindsay. He was the linebackers.

43:58

He actually was juniors linebacker coach and Sandy ego,

44:00

but he was our linebacker coach and because

44:02

we were so young, man, he would run

44:04

us into the ground. And I said to myself, man, there's

44:06

no way I'm playing more than four years. And

44:09

so I got to New England. I was like, man, these dudes

44:11

are having fun. They're they're

44:13

laughing and talking to each other, so let

44:15

me let me join in. So you

44:17

know, it was some really really great times.

44:21

So let's get back to the Hall of Famers. You mentioned

44:23

the Hall of Fame nominees. Um,

44:25

you know Richard's obviously been a multiple time finalist.

44:28

I'd like to ask you about Richard Rodney

44:30

and now maybe it's Sante Samuel's on that list,

44:33

and what you think of those guys in their

44:35

prospects of being inducted

44:37

into the throw Football Hall of Fame. Um, I

44:40

think you know we're talking about

44:42

Richard. Let's go with him first. I think his

44:45

career was tremendous. I think he

44:47

you know, had a or the

44:49

size of person or

44:51

human being that he was and what he did

44:54

on the football field, Um, it

44:56

was phenomenal. I think it was unfortunate,

44:58

you know, that he couldn't finish his career year or more

45:00

years here in New England. I think that would have I

45:02

think that would have solidified it and given him

45:04

a sooner bid to

45:07

go in long you know, earlier on. But

45:10

I think, you know, he has a

45:13

great opportunity. Um. You

45:15

think about Rodney and what he did

45:17

in San Diego to moving

45:20

to New England and that opportunity to

45:22

play there and solidifying those dynasties.

45:25

Um, I think he has a great opportunity as

45:27

well as scientis creeping

45:29

up there just because of his numbers,

45:31

right, A lot of guys that he compares to from a corner

45:34

standpoint, they are similar.

45:37

Um, all three of those guys are

45:40

fighting with guys that are

45:43

coming along that are just phenomenal,

45:45

you know, like you know, like once

45:47

in a lifetime players you know, um,

45:49

you know not to knock against. You know, those three

45:52

guys. I think Richard is probably a once you know, a

45:54

guy that you can look at and say him and this, this dude

45:56

is different. You know, there's not a lot of guys like him,

45:59

you know, because a lot of really good safeties, it's a

46:01

lot of really good corners. But then you talk about guys

46:03

like you know, Megatron, you know, it's hard

46:05

to hard to say, you can't throw that dude

46:07

in the Hall of Fame right away. You think about

46:09

guys like Peyton obviously, you know, um,

46:12

so what they're going up against, you know, the

46:14

linebackers that they're going up against us,

46:17

it's tough. The corners that they're going against,

46:19

it's tough, the safeties,

46:22

you know, it's tough. So I think time

46:26

will tell if they get that opportunity to be

46:28

in and I think eventually

46:30

it will happen. I think definitely for you know, guys

46:32

like Richard, I think definitely for a guy like Rodney.

46:34

You know, I think what's the lynch

46:38

that's uh, you

46:41

know the guy and he didn't go in you know,

46:43

every you know, right when he was

46:45

eligible. But I think his his body of work showed,

46:47

so I think I think Rodney des definitely has

46:49

an opportunity to get there, So rooting for him.

46:51

Man. You know, Camp is only about a four and

46:53

a half five hour drive from here, so i'd

46:56

be I'd be up to take it a drive. We got a Tesla

46:58

so I could just put it in on autopilot and the movie.

47:00

See. The thing that's frustrating for people around here,

47:03

uh, Rosie is what you're

47:05

talking about Richard. You know, Richard doesn't

47:07

have those stats because that's wasn't you know,

47:09

he wasn't asked as you well know, to

47:12

just pin your ears back and go. You know,

47:14

he's being asked to two gap and do all the things

47:16

that don't generates to statistics.

47:19

And then you get these slobs in these rooms

47:21

who just look at stats and not

47:23

to put you in a tough spot, but like

47:26

I think, people here in New England go wow erlacer

47:28

over Seymour and I don't. It's not. It's not

47:30

an either war sort of a thing. And Erlacher is a great

47:32

player. But we sit there and go, well, look

47:34

at what Richard did over the body of his career from a

47:36

team standpoint, championship standpoint.

47:39

But that's hard to get you into the Hall of

47:41

Fame. And I think that that's what Richard's

47:43

facing now, which seems to be a shame.

47:46

Yeah, it is. I think just

47:48

to jump on Brian's back real quick,

47:50

you know, uh, he was an anomaly.

47:53

He was. He was a unicorn

47:55

being six five six or six five

47:58

playing middle linebacker, can move the way

48:00

it could hit, the way it could make play. So

48:02

I think that situation um

48:05

was was was different in that

48:08

who he was playing for as well. Again,

48:11

you have the fortunate opportunity to play for a couple

48:13

different organizations. And Bill's

48:16

thought process on football is totally different

48:18

than Great Blosch's thought process.

48:21

You know, Like I said, when I came into

48:23

New England, I was Okay, I'm on the line. I'm going

48:25

to get it every single play. And Bill's like,

48:27

no, buddy, they know you're coming

48:29

to get it. We're gonna they're come. They're sending to your

48:31

way we're gonna drop you out here under under Reggie

48:33

Wayne and we're gonna send them right but from the other side,

48:36

and he's gonna get the ten sacks. And I'm like, okay,

48:38

thanks. But at the end of the day,

48:41

you know which one would you rather have? Would

48:43

you rather have the lombardies

48:45

or would you rather have the stats? And I think you know

48:48

that's why Bill is able to lure

48:50

guys to to New England

48:52

and guys that want to stay in

48:54

New England for that purpose.

48:57

And you know, at the end of the day, Um,

49:00

there's more than one way to skin a cat. I think you

49:02

know Bill has just been in the game so long that

49:04

he's he's got multiple ways to figure

49:06

it out. Rosie, my last question

49:08

for you. I remember standing in the locker room with you one

49:10

day, and it might have been you

49:12

know, it was probably the year after you

49:15

were injured, and you were talking about

49:17

the next man up mentality in New England

49:19

and how it was very different in

49:22

New England than it may have been in

49:24

other places, and certainly where you had come from,

49:26

where a guy gets hurt and there's just oh

49:28

no feeling, whereas in New England that

49:30

didn't exist. Can you maybe elaborate

49:32

on that little bit? Well, I think, you

49:35

know, there's a lot of there's been

49:37

a lot of adoption of principles

49:40

of what I learned in New England

49:42

when I got there. I think a lot of you know, social

49:45

media attention to it. You know, I

49:47

remember, and not nothing get off

49:49

topic, but I remember the Saints

49:54

and Sean Payton having

49:57

a mantra and I'm like, Bill has

49:59

been saying that for years. I don't know what's

50:02

the big deal about that. But when I got

50:04

to New England, I think I

50:06

saw what the

50:10

process was to be able to have a

50:12

next man of mentality. You can say the next

50:14

man of all you want to, but the guy that goes

50:17

in there may not be qualified. Bill,

50:20

you know, actually takes the time to

50:22

figure out what can this guy do X, Y

50:24

and Z, And if he can do X, Y Z,

50:27

then we're okay, because if

50:29

this guy has to miss a game for this or

50:32

miss a game for that, then we don't lose much.

50:35

You add that to him

50:37

being in the cyclopedia of football and formations

50:39

and schemes and what you need

50:41

to be successful or competitive on any giving

50:43

down, and now the next man of

50:46

mentality is exemplified

50:48

because a guy that was really just a special

50:50

teams guy or a a free agent for that year

50:53

can now go in and feel

50:56

because I remember, I distinctly remember

50:58

watching the game after I got hurt

51:00

the next weekend. I can't remember who they played,

51:03

but Chatta was out there, right. Chatta was

51:05

out there outside linebacker. Big Mac was out

51:07

there outside linebacker. If you

51:09

don't remember in the Super Bowls,

51:11

every Super Bowl that I was a part

51:13

of, um, well

51:15

take them back. The first two Super Bowls. I was a part

51:18

of. The first one, Rodney breaks his arm

51:20

and um, and

51:23

uh, I can't remember who the young guy.

51:25

The guy's name is it goes in has number forty two.

51:27

I can't remember his name, Sean Mayer. Was it

51:29

Sean Mayor? No, it wasn't Sean Mayor.

51:32

Um, but he

51:34

goes into the I can't remember his name. He goes into the game

51:36

and feels in for Rodney towards end the game. He actually

51:38

gets beat yes on a takedown in the

51:40

in the game, but we end up winning the game. The

51:42

next Super Bowl, Gino breaks

51:44

his arm and well

51:46

maybe that was the one that maybe that was one I remember the one.

51:48

The next Super Bowl, Gino breaks his arm and the and

51:51

the young guy number forty two goes in the field

51:53

for his spot. The first Super Bowl, Rodney

51:55

breaks his arm. I can't remember who went in the field the spot,

51:58

but the next guy mentality played this role

52:00

in that. I mean it goes on to all

52:03

the way down to the Seahawks Super Bowl. I literally

52:06

literally with jumped off my couch,

52:09

like I'm sitting here in my house watching Super Bowl

52:12

and I'm like, I got

52:14

running the ball. They throw the ball and

52:16

this dude picks it off and I jump, I

52:18

literally jump off my couch and say,

52:21

there's no way that happened. And it happened.

52:23

And they go back and they show the

52:25

practice film or the play, the play

52:27

that he picked off in practice. I mean, it

52:30

doesn't work if you don't have the proper

52:33

preparation. And so it's

52:35

a mantra. But you know, if you know, I

52:37

mean, you gotta if you gotta slappy out

52:39

there, it's not gonna you know, the next man up

52:41

doesn't mean anything other than man he's got beat with

52:43

the next man up. But in New England, I think

52:46

it's exemplified because

52:49

they take the time to scout and to get the right

52:51

guys that are able to do those specific things.

52:54

Far from a slappy is this man, Rosie Colvin,

52:56

always a favorite at this address.

52:58

Rosie, this has been really one a

53:01

little reminiscing and going down memory lane. Thank

53:03

you so much. That's to luck with your kids, that's

53:05

the luck coaching, and really thanks for your

53:07

time. And be healthy man, yeah,

53:10

man, thank you. I appreciate that. Very

53:12

blessed to be healthy and very

53:14

blessed to be in my family. I wish what's

53:17

that on you guys as well. I hope

53:19

that many more podcasts are are

53:22

transmitted through

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53:28

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53:30

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