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This is the Patriots Pregame Show presented

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every game.

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They've talked into the house. But god,

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contrits t Belave with

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Hardy, you what if this energy

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keep it going?

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Mike to So, what does it mean Chris Pickory just comes

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out? And who do you think is gonna win the game?

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You not watch anything except for the Patriots.

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On the college football Paul.

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Parilla, as a Samara would say to me, I can't

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even on that one.

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And Tamara Brown.

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Way better, considering I had to set an alarm

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to wake up by one pm.

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That's that's insane.

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Patriots Nation.

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Welcome to the Patriots Pregame Show presented

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by Duncan.

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I can't wait for Welcome

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in Patriots Pregame Show. Feel bad

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Duncan, a hardy mic Des, Tamara Brown

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and of course Paul Parillo. Of

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course, what what hold on? One second?

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What was that was

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that? In our sineowns?

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I'm out, I'm

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tired, so

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we got a big game here today, big kids.

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Come on. We got Chiefs, we

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got Pats. They're coming off a

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big win against the Steelers. Feels like

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three weeks ago.

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Pardy, you blew the lead? You blew the lead?

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What lead did I blow? Taylor Swift?

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Oh, buried the lead? Is

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the is the parlance you're looking for? All

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right?

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Blewett buried it? You know you just that's

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why it's a big game. Taylor Swift Charles

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Kelsey.

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Okay, I'll talk

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as much Taylor Swift as you want. I will not

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be able to add a lot. I heard on Patriots

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on Filter It on Thursday. You guys were recapping

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some kind of thing you did where everybody

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had to come up with the Taylor Swift song or

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a lyric.

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Evan was doing it like oh bang bang

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now. Yeah, I was going right over my head. I

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didn't even know the songs.

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Would like to say, you know how everyone

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has like Spotify rapped, Apple Music rapped, kind

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of recapping your music for the year.

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Yeah, I don't do that.

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Taylor Swift was like top of his list.

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Yeah. I think

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I was with fred In that I could only

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name shake it off

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and then a couple of you named a couple other songs

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like bad Luck. I'm like, okay, blood bad

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Blood, bad Luck, that's luck. That's

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a Mike Nest song.

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But so I you don't play Taylor

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Swift on your music show?

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No, No, do you talk about

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Taylor Swift on the music show?

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No?

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I talked about the sports show.

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Unfortunately, what has happened to

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me?

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I do find it odd, though, that there are people

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who are like huge Taylor Swift

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fans, like Paul. You and

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I were fans of Prints when

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we were when we were kids,

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you know, or you're a fan of like you

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know, Springsteen, or you're a fan

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of you know X artist.

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The Taylor Swift thing, it just to me, it

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doesn't inspire a lot of passion. But

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I'm not. I'm not a

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one of the utes that are listening to

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it right now.

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Allegedly this was her favorite place to play.

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Oh God, But artists never say that,

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you know. The only difference is about

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city.

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It was the first stadium that she ever

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played, and she tells

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the story. I don't know if it's true, but she tells

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the story that no one thought she could sell out a stadium,

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and Gillette stadium gave her the opportunity.

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To do it. Yeah, my favorite thing.

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I don't know if it's true. I'm just gotta listen, guy, I

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work here, the massive market I work dot

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com. These the things that we push, the massive

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marketing machine that is Taylor Swift

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should have had no doubts about her ability to

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sell out a stadium at that time or any other

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time that you know what. That the only thing I really

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find distasteful about

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Taylor, even though I don't feel like it's

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I feel like the marketing of Taylor

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Swift is as, if not more

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important than the actual like

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artistry that she produces. It's

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it's it's as much or more about the

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mark and the selling of it and that

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stuff. And I'm like, I don't know what, Why

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would I be passionate about

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that? Like, oh my god, she re released

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that album? Like, oh so she

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went back and re recorded a bunch of stuff she already did.

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Yeah, because she's really smart. That's because she

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wants to own the masters. I'm

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like, what do I care? Why

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would I possibly care? It's it good?

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Are the songs any different? What

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do I care? Do I care? Should

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I care? I don't care

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it's.

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Got sound By written. My My favorite was

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he doesn't care Americare is I care?

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Deeply? Are you a big fan?

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Really not? I

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mean I respect, that's

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true.

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Yes, I mean Marishka,

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that's fair. I I just I feel like

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I think her. I think I respect her talent and her I'm

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kind of like Zappy wherever One kind of grilled

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him earlier this week where he's like, I'm not

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not a fan.

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She's great talented, but she's

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not.

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A top of my list on my Spotify wrapped,

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my Apple Music wrapped whatever.

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Yeah, I gotta read this though. This was My

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favorite thing from the week was the Entertainment Tonight tweet

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that said, you.

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Know, Travis Kelsey was noticeably absent

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during.

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Taylor So's thirty fourth birthday celebration. A

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source tells ET that he quote remains

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committed to playing his best and doing his best

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on and off the field. The team practices are

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critical, mandatory to attend, and

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something he takes very seriously. This was

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at no Uprise. I mean, like you had

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to like quell swift Nation, like all

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the Swifties. He wouldn't go to Taylor's

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birthday.

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Yeah, because you can't bang no

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one went to her birthday party.

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You can't bang out a Thursday practice

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before a Sunday away game. Oh my god.

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Really amazing to me that that was even

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put into the ether,

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right, It's like, there, of course he's not there.

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What why Why would anyone question why

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he's not there?

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Because I think they're all getting introduced to the world of

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football. It's like, oh, so they have to go to every practice.

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Like I got a little introduction

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to the whole world on

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my Wednesday appearance on Sunshine with

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with Mike and Tony, and they were like,

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Okay, we have a high ranking member of the organization

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here.

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Let's find out if if Taylor

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Swift.

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Is going to be at the game, you know, sure, tongue in cheek,

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joking around, and I had said that I

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had heard that she had inquired about a

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luxury suite

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from the Monday night game, but when

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the game had changed, we hadn't really

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heard anything. And then

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someone else had told me that they expected

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her to be there. We just

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had some fun with it. We're joking around. The next morning,

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I wake up and I'm like.

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Quoted, yeah, Parilo everywhere,

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Like Parilo now expects

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Taylor Swift to be like, whoops.

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That's a Paul's new role. He's covering Taylor Swift

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now as well for the organizas.

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So that was my introduction to that sort

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of what you were talking about, this push,

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this marketing.

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Did you get a bunch of like followers, like

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girls in their teens and.

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Twenties after that?

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I don't know, Like I don't really

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you know me with Twitter, like it's not my thing.

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Mean, I couldn't tell you how many followers I have. Well,

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the initial reports were that when the game got

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moved to adow A one o'clock

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on Sunday, Taylor wasn't going to go because,

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like Tamara, she doesn't get up until about

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one o'clock, so she wasn't going to be able

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to make it to the stadium.

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Don't okay, followers, can you not hate

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on people who need beauty sleep?

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You know?

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Oh you don't, Yes, you don't.

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You don't need it.

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See they

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took a negative into turn it right into a

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podcast.

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Really charming.

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Should we do the keys to the game? Why

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did you leave the keys up on the table?

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You wanted to You've waited all week.

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For the whole teams in the locker roo right now, just listening

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to this, waiting to hear what you're gonna say.

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Without these keys, the Patriots are destined

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and doomed to fail.

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Here are Hardy, Paul, Mike, and Tamayor's

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keys to the game.

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Why did I steal your key to the game? Also

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keys said the game. Without these keys, Patriots

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doomed, destined to fail. That's

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why they're listening in the locker room right now.

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Paul Parillo, the current key holder.

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It is the presentation of the key music.

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Somebody, it's

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the perfect amount of.

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Somebody went into the library and searched

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Stinger fanfare.

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Yeah, but it's a stinger too. Did you edit

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that yourself? That's a Stinger fanfare?

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I was the keyholder last week.

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I don't know I was. I take it?

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No, all right, leave

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it in the middle. Then what did you

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do? You have it from the Pittsburgh game? Okay,

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give it the ticket. All

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that means is you have to go first and present

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your key. So let's have it.

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Did we already played a song and everything? I missed

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it?

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Yes, we did the whole song. We did the

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Can we do the fanfare one more time? Oh?

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That's why I missed it. We changed the music.

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No, we did it that week already

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had played.

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This is what happens when I don't get to sleep until one

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pm.

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I can't.

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I can't do it.

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Okay, Well, keeping

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it on the Taylor Swift.

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My key is shake it off.

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The Patriots cannot come into this game still

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riding high on that Steelers victory.

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This is a new week and this is the Chiefs.

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And I know that the Chiefs are coming off more losses

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than they've probably had as

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of late. But I think this is a team that

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they need to stay focused in, locked in on, not stay

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focused on the fact that they've lost.

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Their receivers are dropping balls.

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My homes is mad that all has to be left

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in last week and this is a new weekend.

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The Chiefs are going to come and focus. So Patriots

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have to shake all that off.

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This is a new game and hopefully they have a

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good game plan plan for them.

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Here's why I don't like or respect your

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key. I feel that

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you would have used that same key had they lost

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to Pittsburgh. So

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you're gonna shake off the laws.

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I would have used a different Taylor Swift song.

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Decided you decided on

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the key weeks ago the

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Taylor Swift game, and you just like, I'll

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just make it fact.

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I would have picked a different song.

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No, you're a hater, all right, I

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do. I hate your key. It's

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a bad off. It's a bad shake

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it off. Who do you want

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to go next? Paul your

10:25

key?

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Well, I also now feel like I'm hackneyed

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and cliche because I used to tailor

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Swift song take

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away Kelsey's blank space?

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Get it? See what I did there? H blank

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space.

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I think that's really all Kansas City has

10:42

on offense to be concerned

10:44

about. In terms of the weapons that Mahomes

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is trying to use. I think most

10:49

teams have done a good job of taking him away,

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especially lately. He looks banged up

10:54

to me, Kelsey, he doesn't look like he's one hundred

10:56

percent. So I just think that

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it's the age old thing for Belichick.

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You know, do what you can to limit the other team's

11:03

best option and make

11:05

Mahomes go to the other guys that he clearly has no

11:07

use for, you know, the Kadarius Tony's and Marquez

11:11

Valdez Scantlings of the world. He has no use

11:13

for these guys. Make those guys beat

11:15

you and make sure that you do not just allow.

11:17

Travis Kelsey to run free in those zones.

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I like that. I

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like it because it has an actual, uh you know,

11:25

like football component to it. And

11:28

I do not like it for using the Taylor Swift

11:30

thing. I think that is the most overused

11:32

cliched writing tool of

11:35

the last several months. Like everybody who's

11:37

writing articles now that even if there

11:39

was a letter from the principle of one school,

11:41

like telling all the kids to make sure they showed up

11:43

for class the next day after a Taylor Swift concert

11:46

and in that email, like used a bunch

11:48

of Taylor's Swift.

11:49

Titles and like, and I've gone over

11:51

my head. Evan was like with songs

11:53

the other day. I was like, I've never heard.

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That he's speaking a different language.

11:56

But I mean, I do think that's probably the most

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important key to today's game, is takeaway

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Travis Kelsey. You're not gonna be able to limit Mahomes

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entirely. You can't, but Kelsey

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because of I do think he's dealing with

12:07

something, and I think that's probably the

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biggest key to the game. You know,

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take away Kelsey as much as you can. So I

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think it Tamara,

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you just hate me. No, I hate your

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key, I love you, I hate

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your key this.

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Week they think that just because

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they be the Steelers so they can be the Chiefs.

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I'm sorry, what do you think, dues uh?

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Is this and then asked for my key? Or you're asking me to comment

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on Tamara's.

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No, I just want your kids. Okay, fine, we got

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we got a guest coming in studios.

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Oh boy, we gotta hurry on. So yeah, I did the t

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Swift thing too, So let's just get the last one out

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of the way. Play like the last great American football

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dynasty kind of retro

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retrograded this one in if that makes sense, Like you

12:47

know what you think of the thing, and you're like, all right, what am I gonna make it? Mean?

12:49

So I think the Chiefs are, you

12:51

know, maybe trying to be in the next dynasty, the Patriots.

12:54

It's I's got much worse than Tamara's.

12:56

I mean, like, as much as I

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hate yours, now I kind they hate wait

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wait.

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Wait, I would just like to say at this point,

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though you're outnumbered, you have three people

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doing a tailor.

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What does that tell you your shape

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that let's go get vaccinated.

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You're a hater you are a hater.

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On the mode.

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You're just mad that you're not

13:22

a part of this.

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I'm not because here's what I think

13:25

is going on with this team. And we've

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had conflicting reports all week about

13:29

whether or not ownership made up their mind

13:31

about And by the way, when I put my key in the

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text chain, Deuce gave it a ha ha

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ha, like what is it? What

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are you laughing at? There's nothing funny about my key.

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The reports this week, or at

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least a little Tommy

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Kerrn was that, oh, the ownership

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made up their mind after the Germany game, and

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now who's a chefter last night or rap

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report?

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So now what is yours?

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I believe Tommy Current. I

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believe the stories after

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Germany that was terrible

14:02

for the organization. I believe they said,

14:05

okay, we're done with this now. And

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I believe a little bit based on

14:09

what happened in Pittsburgh that

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there's just that tiny kernel of doubt after

14:15

they made up their mind. They haven't changed their mind just

14:17

because they beat Pittsburgh. But wait a second,

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are you telling me if we all believe

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that a decision pretty much has been made

14:25

on the Bill Belichick front for twenty twenty four.

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Do you believe that, Tamara?

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I do, And it made me hard

14:30

to believe this new where the rap

14:33

She's whatever his name is, whoever, whoever. That

14:35

just seemed weird because that's the same person who put out

14:37

the report that Bill Belichick has a lucrative

14:39

extension.

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No, he doesn't.

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No, Like, So that's why I'm like, I

14:43

feel like someone else told him to put that out, just

14:46

the same way they told him to put out the thing about Bill Belichick's

14:48

extension.

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Yeah, well, let me finish, Let me finish in my key

14:51

here because it all leads into it. So you believe they made

14:53

the decision, Yeah, dude, So you believe that they made

14:55

up their mind.

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But mostly yeah, Paul, Yeah, Okay,

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I believe they've made the decision. Now, that doesn't mean they won't

15:02

change their minds.

15:02

My key to the game is make them

15:04

change their minds, starting with a win today

15:07

against the Kansas City Chiefs. Continue

15:10

it next week in a primetime

15:14

Christmas Eve game in Denver.

15:16

Do it again, beat the Bills again,

15:19

and I do whatever happens

15:21

in week eighteen against the Jets. Are you telling

15:24

me that ownership who is for

15:26

the most part made up their minds. If you

15:28

finish with fourm wins in a row

15:30

against Steelers on the road, at

15:32

home against the Chiefs, a

15:35

primetime game, and then another win over

15:37

the Bills, they don't change

15:39

their minds. I might. I

15:42

think I would. I think I would look

15:44

at that if they play well and they look like they found

15:46

something, I

15:48

make them change their minds. Yeah,

15:50

and that this is more of a key to Bill

15:53

than anyone else.

15:54

Well, I so that's my key. I like yours

15:56

harding, and I think it's probably the road that we're going down for the

15:58

show when we're actually get away from the Swiss, when

16:00

we actually talk about the football game. What does

16:02

it look like? How do they win these games? Does Bailey Zappy

16:04

start to look good and put full games together? And

16:06

then you're starting to wonder, you know.

16:08

Like what does it look like it did last Thursday?

16:11

You know, you.

16:12

Know, a terrible team that's obviously lying

16:14

down and looked much worse

16:17

yesterday in their game than they did against the Patriots.

16:20

So but these are all and these are all tough places

16:22

to play too, like in Denver, in Buffalo,

16:24

I mean, it's it's it's a daunting challenge in these games.

16:26

I I doubt they're gonna win all three, but I am

16:29

very curious what they're going to look like starting today with Zappy.

16:31

Let's see what Kendall in North Carolina thinks

16:33

and who shall be the current key

16:36

holder for this week based on the keys. Kendall,

16:39

you can pick anyone here on the show picked

16:41

the Taylor Swift song basically did

16:43

the same thing, or you can pick mine about

16:45

making them change their minds and not Belichick.

16:49

What do you think, Kendall, did you hear them all a lot of pressure?

16:54

Well, Paul's was takeaway

16:56

Kelsey's blank space. Mike said

16:59

that pay like the I don't even

17:01

create American, It's not Mike's

17:04

not going to win the kid Tamara

17:06

shake it off? Or me make them change

17:09

their minds? Who's got the best key

17:11

to the game. I like what

17:13

Paul said to good kick. Can just retire

17:15

this crap at this point the thank

17:21

you.

17:23

I listened to y'all man quick question.

17:26

I know Class said he wants to get that to the playoffs.

17:28

He's been sitting in the past couple of years. So

17:30

if we do let Bill go and

17:32

resent next year, I mean,

17:36

does he want to get to the playoffs next year or is

17:38

this like a three year rebuild?

17:41

Confused with the the

17:44

bar keeps getting moved.

17:45

Well, yeah, I think if if you're yeah,

17:47

it's a good point, Kendall, because if you move on from

17:49

Bill, and especially if

17:52

you end up taking a quarterback, then

17:54

you are resetting it. You know, you can't

17:56

say, well, no, I said last year we need to be in the playoffs.

17:59

Well, clearly you're changing course. Now last

18:02

year the direction we were going we failed

18:04

and we need to chart a different

18:06

course. And you get you need you

18:09

know, I think you get more time for that.

18:12

Does that make sense to you, Kendall? Okay,

18:15

yeah, all right.

18:17

Well I just confused on it because I mean,

18:19

I know he said he's been wanting to play off last couple

18:21

of years. But if you get

18:23

a new quarterback, pop new code, popping

18:25

u GM and all that next year, I don't I

18:27

mean, I don't know how to schedule for national I don't know

18:29

if playoffs is a I mean

18:32

realistic. I mean, if that's the case.

18:34

You buy Will, new coach

18:36

and a new quarterback, it probably wouldn't be realistic.

18:38

Yeah, new goal, new goal pulse, New expectations,

18:41

new or knew everything. Kendall, thanks for the

18:43

call, appreciate it.

18:45

And if that happens, it's not like, oh, it's a it's a

18:47

four year rebuild. Note you're just you're off in the wilderness

18:49

now. You don't know how long this could possibly take.

18:51

You're you're you know, in uncharted territory. It's a whole new

18:53

organization and operation.

18:54

And I just this is nitpicking.

18:57

I admit.

18:58

The whole notion that something

19:01

can change based on what happens now, to me

19:03

is absolutely absurd. Like, I

19:06

just don't understand if you have like

19:08

a first year coach and it starts

19:10

off really bad and then you sort

19:12

of finish the season strong and your

19:15

points.

19:15

That's one thing.

19:16

You're at the stage where the Patriots are at

19:18

with Belichick and you have the risk

19:21

of, you know, three

19:24

and ten and now you're going to win some meaningless

19:26

games at the end of the year, and that's going to

19:28

change, Like, oh wait, we were close

19:30

to that.

19:31

No, you weren't. You didn't win games until

19:33

the season was over. You were two and ten.

19:36

At one point. I

19:38

don't really care what happens now. I in

19:41

terms of okay, in terms of like Bill

19:44

in the future. If

19:46

you decide you want to hold on to Bill, that's fine,

19:48

that's a decision you make. But that's a decision

19:50

you should have in your mind now, not

19:53

based on well we upset Kansas

19:55

City, you know in week fourteen

19:57

or fifteen or whatever it is. I

20:00

just I don't get it.

20:01

We're gonna ge where we're gonna get back.

20:02

We'll keep our little petty squabbles to ourselves.

20:04

When when we don't have guests.

20:06

There's some more meat on that bone. But no, we do

20:08

have a guest from the Kansas City starts Jesse

20:10

Nowell, joining us here on the Patriots pre game

20:12

show fuel by Dunkin.

20:14

Hi.

20:14

Jesse, Hey, thanks for having me, Hardy Mike

20:17

Firs in studio guest of the year. That

20:19

well, we're very excited about it.

20:20

I'm glad somebody led me down the maze.

20:22

I wouldn't have found it.

20:23

It take me three hours or so if if not

20:25

otherwise, Uh, how.

20:27

Are things going in Kansas City? What's what's

20:30

the hats up there over there? Yeah?

20:32

I'm there.

20:32

I would tell you guys earlier this week. It feels like

20:34

a safe space here because people the

20:37

expectations of Kansas City get crazy, but like

20:39

New England kind of understands, right, you have a Hall of Fame

20:41

coach, you have a Hall of Fame quarterback, and when you're in the

20:43

midst of that, it's like, oh, you should have win every

20:45

game by twenty one points. And that's not

20:47

what the Chiefs are going through right now. Obviously, the

20:49

offense is struggling. It's not really things

20:52

just aren't quite right with the offense.

20:54

But you know, they still said eight and five again.

20:56

Thirty other teams out there are thinking, what are your big

20:58

complaints about? They have a puncher's

21:00

chance in the AFC obviously and need

21:02

to get back on track. The schedule line's up, But right

21:05

now they're just they're not winning the ways they normally

21:07

do, which is the big thing is we're

21:09

so used to Patrick Mahomes coming back and winning in

21:11

fourth quarter games, having comebacks. They've had none of those

21:14

this year, guys, and so that's that's different for

21:16

this team. Usually you expected them come through in the

21:18

clutch. That really hasn't happened this year yet,

21:20

and maybe it will happen come moving forward.

21:22

That's kind of one of the things we were talking about this week. It's It

21:24

reminds me a little bit of when the Patriots were like twenty

21:26

twelve, twenty thirteen, when their receiving core kind

21:28

of turned over. He still had Gronk, but it

21:31

was, you know, it was a process of finding Julian Edelman

21:33

and Danny A. Mendola. Do you feel like that's

21:35

kind of what's happening with them there. I mean, they're doing kind

21:37

of the same things. They're taking shots on former first round

21:39

picks that have been cast off. They're trying to find

21:41

those guys, But it really does it still just come down to him

21:43

and Kelsey. Yeah.

21:44

And what's fascinating is like, if you look at their receivers,

21:46

it's the same guys as last year, other than

21:48

Juju. Juju's now with New England obviously, and the

21:50

Chiefs drafted Rosie Rice, who has been one of the

21:52

most productive rookies that Andy Reid has had in

21:55

his history of coaching. So you

21:57

look white, why are these things not working this year

21:59

when they worked a year ago? And it's just been

22:01

sort of, you know, to use the term, kind of misconnections

22:04

here, Like Patrick Mahomes sees the game one way and

22:06

they have they always talk about like the dotted lines

22:08

of the playbook where you're supposed to run your route

22:11

in this way with the playbook, like

22:13

this is what the line says in the playbook. But when Patri

22:15

Wrollims sees a safety over the top, he's not gonna throw

22:17

it there. He's gonna throw it away from the safety. So you

22:19

have to have two guys reading this correctly.

22:21

And too many times it's been mvs. Not

22:24

on the same page, justin Watson, not on the same page.

22:26

And it's just these deep pass If you go to

22:29

their deep pass numbers this year, they're horrendous

22:31

that they cannot throw the ball deep. They just do not have

22:33

that chemistry yet. And so it's interesting

22:35

because last year they had it. Last year they were good enough

22:38

to produce those big plays, but this

22:40

year it's just been not there. And so what it forces

22:42

them to do, which is what defenses want them to do, which

22:44

is to score touchdowns.

22:46

They've got to be good on twelve, thirteen,

22:48

fourteen straight plays. You check it down, you

22:51

get seven eight yards at a time. But then they have a

22:53

penalty. You know, it's been problem at right tackle with Jawan

22:55

Taylor's had a bunch of penalties this year, it's been turnovers.

22:58

We saw last week home so it's an intercept, Shin

23:00

Rashi Rice fumbles the ball. So they've just had

23:02

these small things go against them. But they do have to drive

23:04

the ball down the field now, and that's been a lot different

23:06

than the years past when Malmes love to chet that thing

23:08

up.

23:10

Without having Isaiah Pachenko, is that,

23:12

you know, making it worse for Mahome

23:14

and not having the ability to be able to run the football to

23:16

maybe relieve some pressure off of those wide receivers.

23:19

Yeah.

23:19

So, and he's only been out a week and

23:21

I was bringing this earlier in the week. It's kind of fascinating with the

23:23

Chiefs because they've gone one in three since their bye

23:25

week, but over that time, you feel like expected

23:28

points added. They have the number one rushing game in the

23:30

NFL over the last four weeks and gone one and three, which

23:32

I can probably tells you what you need to know about passing

23:34

in the NFL and how important it is.

23:36

You know what I'm saying, Like, we.

23:36

Got the number one rush defense.

23:38

It's a pass It's a pass team, Jesse,

23:42

So they just take a step back.

23:44

Isaia Pacheko is like an emotional lead for them. He's

23:46

the guy that he runs like his hairs on fire.

23:48

They talk, they kind of have the you

23:50

know, the memes out there where like he's angry at the

23:52

ground when he's you know what I'm saying.

23:55

Yeah, it's he's

23:57

fun to watch.

23:58

I mean, he is fun to watch, and like he popped up

24:00

and he actually didn't get tackled, and those linemen

24:02

just get going for him. Honestly,

24:04

they'll client Edwards Hilaire. You know, he's been

24:06

a backup role for them for the last couple of years, and he

24:08

looked fine last week. I mean, he doesn't have that same explosion,

24:11

but he'll see the holes and he'll be fine

24:13

for them. But the interior three have been blocking

24:15

better. But this is all in the passing game, though,

24:17

and that's what's so FASTI bout the Chiefs as you would

24:20

look at this and say, Okay, the run game

24:22

is not really helping out the pass game here, but

24:24

they've been really successful running the ball. Now it's

24:26

an Andy Reid offense. They're gonna throw more than they run,

24:28

and they should throw more than they run. They have Patrick Homes,

24:30

they have these other weapons. But it's just been

24:32

so disconbobulated

24:34

to disjointed offensively on offense that even

24:37

a really good run game, And we talked about those. I mean,

24:39

you guys know Joe Toney, he's playing really

24:41

well, Create Humphrey, their center's playing really well, Tray

24:43

Smith is playing really well. Got some issues at

24:45

tackle. But you know, they've they've been

24:47

getting okay play

24:49

in the run game out of them, but those three they've

24:52

been doing really well recently. And the

24:54

run game's been fine, but the Chiefs haven't been fine,

24:56

and so that just tells you kind of how off the pass game

24:58

has been.

24:58

So we've talked a lot about the offense and the

25:00

struggles. But on the other side, is

25:03

this defense as good as the numbers would

25:05

indicate. I haven't seen a ton of the Chiefs

25:07

this year, but the past

25:10

defense in particularly looks like it's just been locked

25:12

down all year. Has it been that good when you watch them.

25:14

Week to week, It's probably been the best of the Mahomes

25:16

era. And that's why it's I think tough for fans

25:19

back in Kansas City to process how they can

25:21

win this way because they're just so used to making up

25:23

for an average to blow average defense.

25:25

Because their offense just goes as scores and that's

25:27

why this year, like their defense wins

25:29

them games and they've I can't say fans

25:31

are still not used to like that being a possibility

25:34

where they can win games. But yeah, the

25:36

past defense has been really good. Steve Sagnolo

25:38

has a lot of different parts. They have actually, if you guys look it up,

25:40

the second youngest age of

25:43

defenders.

25:44

In the league.

25:45

So they've drafted really well, almost all their

25:47

guys if you look up and down that the starters are guys

25:49

they drafted last year. So

25:51

see Sagnolo, you know he's

25:54

he loves the blitz. He loves to bring Trent McDuffie,

25:56

who is verging into an All Pro type of guy.

25:59

La Jerry Scenes having a eight year on the outside for them as

26:01

a cornerback, just locks down number one

26:03

receivers whenever he goes against them. And I know Tony

26:05

Gromoll on the broadcast said last week he would vote

26:07

for him for All Pro that type of season.

26:09

But you know, there are some

26:11

things in the past game. The linebacker has been kind

26:13

of like a revolving door. They got Nick Bolton

26:16

back last week. He's kind of an emotional leader for them, but he can

26:18

sometimes you can pick on him in coverage a little bit, but she

26:20

was actually in back Drew Treankwle this week. He's a

26:22

guy that they got out of free agency from the Chargers

26:24

and he's been one of the best guys

26:27

that they've had, and he's got range, he's

26:29

better in pass coverage, and he took a knee to the side

26:31

of the head against the Packers, so glad he's able to get

26:33

back out there. But he's been a big key piece for them,

26:35

and this is one of the few games this year guys that they've

26:37

had all their linebackers available, so we might see

26:39

something different from them. And you obviously got to worry about

26:42

Chris Jones. I mean, at any point, at any time,

26:44

he could be in there and wreck a game, and he's done

26:46

that. Especially watched for him on third and fourth

26:48

downs. I mean, he seems like, I don't know where

26:50

they're saving up is the right way to say it, but seems

26:52

like he saves up for the biggest moments and usually

26:54

comes through in the clutch in those in those times.

26:57

Chiefs took an important step last week

26:59

and establishing themselves as the next

27:01

you know big thing in football, like the Patriots

27:03

taking a page out of the Patriots booked by They

27:05

got haters complaining about it call

27:08

at the end of a game that seemingly

27:10

has the world pitted against them. Is this

27:13

something that that you at the Kansas City Star

27:15

in your opinion columns have you rallied

27:17

around? Is this? Is this a unified

27:19

front in complaining about that offside

27:22

call, which was I

27:24

mean a true miscarriage of justice.

27:27

I mean the guy was.

27:27

Only two miles

27:29

over.

27:30

The line of scrimmage. Come on, Jesse,

27:32

Well it was great.

27:33

I was walking with Sam mcdallar, a great columnist, and that

27:36

was like a calling me Dad. This week is like, embrace

27:38

the Patriot way here. No, you are now the

27:40

villains. You are now hated. This is what Tom

27:42

Brady used his fuel. Just embrace it

27:45

people. You know, they don't like Mahomes anymore.

27:46

He was.

27:47

He was, you know, complaining too much on the sideline

27:49

sort of thing. Uh, yeah, you know, it's

27:51

it's been an interesting week. We just never seen anything like

27:53

it.

27:53

So, first off, never seen a

27:55

guy offside before.

27:56

Well, Andy Reid had never had an opensive

27:59

offsides called against him in all his career

28:01

of coaching head coaching, so I think it was.

28:03

A little bit out there.

28:04

He later clarified his comments and kind of talked about,

28:06

Hey, there's this unspoken language between

28:09

the sideline or I guess spoken language

28:11

between the sideline and the referees where you warn him, you

28:13

go to the coach, and the coach tells the player all these sorts

28:15

of things. And then obviously dani Orlofsky on ESPN

28:18

showed hey, there or other instances work he was lined

28:20

up off sides during the game, didn't call it. All those

28:22

things. We can go through that, but uh, yeah,

28:24

I mean they got fined.

28:25

I saw it.

28:26

I mean Andy, we got fined one hundred k for his

28:28

comments. Trick Ma Holmes got fined fifty k for

28:30

his sideline tirade. But usually

28:34

Andy Reid throws away questions

28:36

about the officiating. Last week he was turning

28:39

down any questions that were not about the officiating.

28:41

So you want to talk about like complete opposites of

28:43

what normally happens. We were kind of just shocked. And then

28:46

we've never seen this from Patrick Mahomes on the sideline. I mean,

28:48

he is mister keeping well. Even

28:50

the week before he took green

28:52

Baya. Yeah, the MVS should

28:55

have been past reference called. He said, Hey, I could have

28:57

thrown it better. You want to let the players

28:59

play, I mean spoken

29:02

or not.

29:02

Guys.

29:03

Andy Re'd probably doing it to

29:06

defend his player and to make a statement. Patrick

29:08

Mahomes probably doing it because he's frustrated about this season.

29:11

Yeah, And there's underlying frustration there,

29:13

and he handles things the right way,

29:15

you know what I mean. And he can only

29:17

say so much in public settings to keep

29:20

his guys around him tight. And so he can't

29:22

yell about his receivers not getting open. He can't

29:24

yell about his tackles not blocking

29:26

for him. He can't yell about the frustrations

29:29

that you know, his tight end is, you

29:31

know, not quite playing at the level he normally

29:33

does because father time comes for us all. But

29:35

he can yell at the officiating because that's kind of an

29:37

outlet that allows him to do that. So again,

29:40

that's not anything he can say in a press conference. That's not

29:42

I think he will say a press conference, and he's said in a press

29:44

conference that's not what he was frustrated about. But I'm sure

29:46

under the surface, we actually got a pretty honest. Chris

29:48

Jones I thought earlier this week where he said, yeah,

29:50

guys are frustrated, and this is again

29:53

I feel like a safe space here, Like the Patriot Chiefs

29:55

are like not used to losing two in a row round here,

29:57

you know what I mean, And the rest of the fan bases on the NFL are like,

30:00

oh boy, first world problems, you know what I

30:02

mean.

30:02

But it's true about the.

30:03

Chiefs, like they're used to things going

30:05

their way and recently things have just not gone

30:07

their way. So I think some of the frustration definitely came out

30:09

and that in that call when the Chiefs you know, once

30:12

again had something go for them to

30:14

get it wiped away and go against them.

30:16

Just along those lines, what is their headspace coming

30:18

into this game? Where do you think they're at?

30:20

I think it's a fascinating game for them. I kind of talked about it earlier

30:22

in the week. It kind of feels like a fork in the road because

30:25

we haven't seen that. I mean, I was in

30:27

the locker room guys and you know, their past around

30:29

phones of the screenshot,

30:31

and I'm telling you to a man, they're all upset.

30:33

They think that they got robbed

30:35

in that game. And again they're all in the

30:37

field more than I am, so those things that get

30:40

taken care of when you're talking officials to coaches

30:42

all that stuff. But you know, even

30:44

like a Jalen Watson, who was

30:47

a cornerback for them, he went on social

30:49

media afterwards and said that there was a legal

30:51

contact called him late in the game that helped the Bills

30:53

get their late field goal. And he was saying that he did

30:56

the same thing all game and then that last it was almost

30:58

like it opened up things when Andy Reid Patrick Mahomes

31:00

did it for everyone to start. But at

31:02

least they're sort of galvanized, you know what I

31:04

mean, Like at least it's all in this. It's not at

31:07

each other, it's at another entity.

31:09

So I don't know, I mean, we

31:11

just I just know I haven't seen it. I've not seen a locker

31:13

room like that. I've not seen Andy Reid like that. I've not seen Patrick

31:16

Mahomes like that. So what's gonna happen today?

31:17

I don't know.

31:18

I don't know.

31:19

There's there's no frame or reference

31:21

for exactly.

31:22

So they could come out guns of blazing

31:24

and and win and and come together and not

31:26

make the same mistakes they made again, guys, like, we can go

31:29

in circles all we want, Like you look at expected

31:31

points as like Mahome's interceptions were six

31:33

points and she rice is fumbled worth four and a

31:35

half. I mean they handed the other team eleven points.

31:37

You don't do that.

31:38

You beat the Bills pretty easily, probably, And again I

31:41

go if ends or butts a lot a lot of them all

31:43

the way down the line, but that is on

31:45

them, and those were two big mistakes that really

31:47

costs in the game. So I don't know, but

31:50

again that there was a kind of a different

31:52

feeling this week, a different level of urgency,

31:54

and then the way they handled that loss

31:57

compared to other ones. It's not something I've seen,

31:59

so I've it does start just whender we saw you

32:01

guys saw Chris Jones on the sideline with his

32:03

defensive line coach where defensive link he

32:05

yells at him, defensive line coach likes the tablet. You

32:07

saw Patrick Mahomes chuck his helmet.

32:10

I mean, there's all sorts of stuff here going on

32:12

that is showing the frustration of this team. So will

32:14

that bring them together or continue to splinter

32:17

them?

32:17

I don't know.

32:18

That answer, but it'll be fascinating to watch today.

32:20

How much of the Patriots have you

32:22

watched this season? Or did

32:24

you watch the Thursday night game?

32:25

Yes?

32:27

Some of those Yes, That's that's about

32:29

it. I was gonna say, it's

32:32

yeah, yeah, not not worth it.

32:34

This is what you guys have. No, it's just talk

32:36

about you know, no frame of reference. You know

32:38

that this is something that you know, not

32:41

used to. There are people, you know that a

32:43

lot of hardcore Patriots fans

32:45

were still watching like any other market.

32:47

There are a lot of casual fans

32:49

who have kind of tapped out on this season.

32:52

There, you know, it's kind of an afterthought, Oh what

32:54

did the Patriots do today? You know, treat that like

32:56

a Red Sox game, mildly interested

32:58

in the outcome, but not necessarycessarily giving

33:00

it their full attention. But why were you asking

33:03

the question tomorrow?

33:04

I was just curious to see, you

33:06

know, there if they even

33:08

look not. I mean, obviously, any weekend

33:11

in the NFL, you know, anyone has a chance to win. But

33:13

just kind of just seeing like, do

33:15

you think this could be a get right game for them?

33:17

Considering you know, how down the Patriots

33:19

are, especially in the secondary where they have so many

33:22

injuries and kind of a lot

33:24

of young guys playing.

33:26

It could be. I mean, here's the thing.

33:29

I think you guys know the musical

33:31

chairs have gone on with Patriots in the quarterback position,

33:33

and we just know how important that is. And sort

33:36

of like the hope for the Chiefs, I think is all

33:38

these weird things we're talking about not going right

33:40

for them doesn't involve Patrick

33:43

Mahomes being injured or Andy Reid not being

33:45

on the sideline, you know what I mean, And it

33:47

just makes such a difference. I will say,

33:50

there's been a lot of defenses that have stopped the

33:52

Chiefs this year that are not as good as New England's.

33:54

So that's the thing. And you look at the last three

33:56

weeks as well, which is something to watch.

33:58

She's just been Dan double dig It's the last three games they played

34:01

in the first half. I mean, they've gotten off the horrific

34:03

starts, just three games around boom boom boom. Now

34:05

you know, you end up coming back and winning one of those games and playing

34:08

really well against Las Vegas. But it's

34:10

tough, and that puts your offense in a bind.

34:12

You're having to throw the ball Morgan, we're talking about the run game.

34:14

Well, you know you'ren't gonna run as much if you're

34:16

down a double digits. And this is

34:18

obviously what kind of atmosphere you guys

34:20

expecting here. I mean I saw screen shots last

34:23

week of a kind of I

34:25

think he's better today.

34:25

I mean, I think certain player's

34:28

wife and girlfriend will probably see

34:30

that, probably bring some of the crowd up.

34:32

That was actually my real question I was gonna ask

34:34

you about, like the Taylor Swift thing. Has that

34:36

been a distraction in Kansas City or where you

34:38

will? You say, like, they're loving

34:40

it. They're living in the extra attention and publicity

34:43

and you know, people at games hoping they see her and.

34:45

Stuff like so, I think it's

34:48

I think it depends on how the team's playing, right, I

34:50

mean, they they love it when it's you

34:52

know, you go to a game and she's in the box, you can wave

34:54

at her and take pictures of her. And when they're winning, and

34:56

for a while, Kelsey was like you saw the graphics

34:58

out there, like he had one hundred ars per game when she was

35:00

there in like forty yards per game, which she wasn't there.

35:03

They were love and Taylor swift, you know what I mean. And so

35:06

now that it they've lost a couple and they've

35:08

lost four to six, he all

35:10

of a sudden, I mean, not target on her, but it's also sun

35:12

It's like, Okay.

35:14

Is this team distracted? You know? This

35:16

is this going on?

35:17

I mean, Travis obviously has his podcast all

35:19

those sorts of things, So I don't think it is. I

35:21

mean, obviously Travis,

35:25

he's thirty four. What's crazy

35:27

to me?

35:27

Guys?

35:28

And I always like, relook this up because I think

35:30

I'm wrong. Travis is like

35:32

four months separated in

35:34

birth.

35:35

Look it up.

35:36

Make sure I'm right, Like four to six months from

35:38

Gronk. Yeah, the same age.

35:40

Yeah, Gronk had a Hall of Fame

35:42

career, retired, came back

35:44

for a couple of years, retired again. And

35:47

Travis Kelsey is the same age as him, you know what I

35:49

mean. And it's still the most productive tight end in

35:51

the NFL. It just goes to show you that, like,

35:53

it's tough at this age to be as good

35:55

as he is and to keep up that level that people

35:57

are expecting. So yeah, if there's a little bit of doub

36:00

turn the offenses going as well. The receivers aren't helping

36:02

out much. You know, you're relying on Travis Kelsey

36:04

do this, well, not many Titans do this at

36:06

thirty four because one of the greatest ones ever,

36:09

you know, retired, came back retired

36:11

and it's loving life outside of that. So five

36:14

months five months? Okay, yeah I said

36:16

four and sake, so I guess you split the difference. Yeah,

36:18

But but I mean to answer your question, like, it's

36:21

it's a fascination and it's crazy,

36:23

like people go cover

36:25

the Jets game like they New York Post

36:27

brings entertainment reporters to cover the game.

36:29

Wow.

36:29

Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like, it's it's it's crazy,

36:32

like the first time she came to Arrowhead, there's there's

36:34

rumors about like they brought her in a popcorn

36:36

machine so nobody would see her, you know what I mean. Like, it's just

36:38

it's that sort of thing, that sort of level. And you

36:41

know, some of our most clicked stories are these photos

36:43

of Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift

36:45

walking out of the stadium. I'm sure you guys have seen them everywhere,

36:47

whether they gave the Canceley Star credit or not, but

36:49

it is definitely a different deal this year and has

36:52

definitely added to the intrigue of this particular team.

36:54

Well, there's a different vibe today. I mean you can tell

36:56

a lot just by the drive in and there's I

36:58

mean there's a lot more cars than or were for the last

37:00

home game. There's a lot more there's

37:03

a lot more Chiefs jerseys

37:05

walking down Route one that I was expecting

37:07

to see. I mean, this is you know that

37:10

this is one of the teams in the NFL.

37:12

Obviously you know this Jesse. So with

37:15

all that being said, all that's on the

37:17

line, the struggles both teams have been going

37:19

through. What's your prediction for the game today?

37:22

Yeah, And I wrote this in the Kansay Star too.

37:25

And by the way, the Chiefs stans do travel and this is

37:27

sort of kind of like the America's team. Part of this is

37:29

like if now they're the team, and so when

37:32

you go to the stadiums, they they're good people.

37:34

But the Kansas City fans there really are.

37:37

I mean, I don't know if you've run into them

37:39

or talked to them. Let's just say there are some other

37:41

fan bases that come here and you're like, oh,

37:44

you just roll your eyes and it's like I can't deal

37:46

with this, But the Kansas City

37:48

fan base pretty solid.

37:49

They give up a couple more years of complaining about eight

37:51

five seasons and yeah, I'm sure people

37:53

will will change your ton So I have the chancey star

37:56

I offense just confused me right now, because

37:58

if you could just point at it, and their

38:01

problem is they can't effectively

38:03

throw the ball. Their problem is their quarterback's

38:05

hurt. Their problem is they

38:07

can't get anything in short yardage. Like I would

38:10

be more apt to be like this is going to continue, But

38:13

their problem is like they lined

38:15

up a foot too far off sides for

38:17

the game winning play. Their problem is that they

38:19

threw an interception on a pick. Their

38:21

problem is that their rookie receiver who's

38:24

doing great this year, fumbled on a really bad

38:26

possession. And I just don't think

38:28

that's sustainable. I don't think that's something

38:30

you continue to go on. So I do actually

38:32

like the Chiefs in a get right game in this one.

38:35

Again, we'll see if they fall behind like they

38:37

normally do. And obviously New England

38:39

has some offensive limitations that could

38:41

go rough against the Chiefs defense this year, which is better

38:44

than the year's past.

38:44

But we'll see.

38:45

I mean, if the Chiefs continue to have those sorts

38:48

of moments where they lose their minds

38:50

or have these mistakes that they've had, then you know,

38:52

Patriots could be up ten nothing, just like the last

38:54

three opponents have been. I just think there's

38:56

going to be a get right game for the Chiefs

38:58

where they don't do those silly

39:00

things that are self inflicted that hurt them. And this

39:03

potentially could be it because they are moving the football up and

39:05

down the field. As much as their receivers hurt them, as

39:07

much as their tackles aren't always reliable, they

39:09

do move the ball up and down the field. It's just these mistakes

39:11

are killing them. And it's hard to predict that

39:13

game to game to say, hey, they're just gonna hand the other team

39:15

eleven or.

39:16

Twelve points Chiefs by ten, thirteen,

39:18

fourteen.

39:19

Say I've had it in that range, like ten to

39:21

fourteen. But yeah, I mean that's

39:23

around the spread, right, the spreads like nine.

39:26

Eight and a half, eight and a half slash. Whatever

39:29

I mean I've gotten, I've gotten the wrong lately. So

39:31

all right, Hey Jesse Newll Kansas

39:34

City, Kansas City Star at

39:36

Jesse Newell on x

39:39

X Twitter. Need I refuse this twix

39:42

twixs twicks, I like, is that yours? Chuir?

39:44

I'm gonna start using that twis it is? Jesse.

39:48

You appreciate the time, really, thank you so much.

39:50

Thanks for having me. Guys.

39:51

I'm going to try to weave my way back out, good luck way

39:54

to.

39:54

The press box. I've got somebody that we'll put

39:56

you in a popcorn machine.

39:57

Again, horrific marine. Matt will

39:59

take care of you. Just follow

40:01

him, very good. Paul had to step out as

40:03

well for his chin wag with the with

40:05

the flagship over there. So we will continue

40:08

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40:10

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40:13

at Patriots dot com.

40:16

We're going to talk more about the actual game here,

40:19

and Jesse did a nice breakdown of both the offense

40:21

and defense.

40:21

It yeah, really nice. I just the thing that strikes me

40:24

is is just how they are kind of hitting

40:26

a lot of benchmarks that I remember the Patriots hitting,

40:28

and you know the seven

40:30

that felt like everybody all of a sudden, like you said, turned

40:32

against the Patriots, Like one of the first things I ever wrote

40:35

about the Patriots that kind of got picked up and published.

40:37

Was literally about like we're the dark

40:40

side now embraced the dark side, and you know everyone's

40:42

gonna hate us. It's just sports. It's okay. But

40:44

he's saying that, you know, talking about the receivers

40:46

and trying you know, they're not on the same page with

40:48

Mahomes and they're going the wrong way. You

40:51

know, all these things just kind of and everybody

40:53

starting to hate it. Just it reminds me a lot of what the

40:55

Patriots did, and I mean, I think it, you know, kind

40:57

of illustrates that had they not

40:59

hit on Edelman and Gronk in those middle

41:01

years that you know, it might have it might have been where

41:04

we are right now a lot sooner. But they were able to draft

41:06

high Tower and Jones, and they drafted

41:09

star players. They brought him in, and they were able to

41:11

you know, get back into the championship hunt with with another

41:14

group of guys around him. But I'm interested

41:16

to see. I thought that was a great breakdown of just really giving

41:18

a temperature test to where they're at and what's coming

41:20

in here right now.

41:21

I laughed at the end, you know, hearing him just

41:23

talk about all their self inflicted wounds.

41:25

I was like, wow, he sounds like Bill Belichick a little

41:27

bit, where he's like, if they would stop doing this and stop

41:30

doing that, stop all the turnovers.

41:32

Like they can't they just play perfect.

41:34

They can't overcome them anymore.

41:35

Like I'm like, I know, I know in the pasting

41:37

stuff is interesting too, So

41:39

it's, uh, you know, it's just it's kind of a reminder

41:42

that even when you have Patrick Mahomes and he's

41:44

you know, the greatest quarterback of my opinion, in the league right

41:46

now, that you know, it's just it doesn't always just

41:48

assure you of, oh, you're gonna just waltz through the season.

41:50

They've got some things to work out. But I

41:53

agree, though, I think this game could go a few different

41:55

ways today. I think you could see, all right, it's a Kansas

41:57

City get right game and it's you know, Patrick Mahomes

41:59

and Foy and the Patriots don't really have a lot of

42:01

answers or you know, like you said, does

42:03

the Patriots defense kind of slow them down? Do they Patriots

42:06

get a lead like they did last time and all of a sudden

42:08

the game's in, you know, unfolding in the Patriots favor

42:10

I mean, we we think we know that's how it has

42:13

to go for the Patriots to be in it. They got to get off to

42:15

a good start. So but it's a little

42:17

bit encouraging that, you know, that's how they've been playing. But again,

42:19

they could just turn flip the switch and they're back.

42:21

You know they could.

42:22

But you know what you said, now, I'm a little slow

42:24

on the uptake on some of these things. But you

42:26

know what what Jesse mentioned and what you were hitting

42:29

on again there, Dues is you know what you

42:31

see in Kansas City right now is kind of what

42:33

we saw from the Patriots towards the end

42:35

with Tom Brady, where it's like you still

42:37

got the quarterback, still got the coach,

42:39

what else do you have? Well, all right, is

42:42

one weapon enough and Travis Kelwan

42:44

that's kind of banged up and one that's kind of banged

42:47

up I mean aging.

42:47

I mean he put it more aging. Paul was kind of saying banged

42:49

up.

42:50

But yeah, you know what, whatever it

42:52

is, it's like, ah, we saw

42:54

that and had the Patriots not reloaded,

42:57

you know, after Welker and after

43:00

Randy Moss, with Julian Edelman

43:02

and Rob Gronkowski and just you know, kind

43:04

of you know, keeping that.

43:06

That's why you're able to sustain that run because

43:09

you know, you know, was it Bill

43:11

or was it Brady? It's it's more,

43:13

it's more than that.

43:14

Yes, it's chemistry too.

43:16

It took but it took both of those guys, but it

43:18

took the weapons and it took the defense. Now,

43:20

defensively, the Chiefs are

43:22

still very, very good. But offensively,

43:25

you want to know why they're struggling. It

43:27

ain't rocket surgery. You know,

43:29

he doesn't have the weapons that he once had. And as you

43:31

know Jim Murray on the Sports I just said, you

43:33

know a couple of times he's got these stonehanded

43:36

morons at receiver, you know, who

43:39

just drop passes or fumble the ball.

43:41

It's like, all right, that's a problem.

43:44

It's a problem we've

43:46

seen around here. I'm not picking on the Chiefs.

43:48

I am, you know, if anything, I'm making

43:51

excuses for Mahomes. Does anybody

43:53

think that Mahomes has fallen off? Does

43:55

anyone think that Andy Reid has lost his ability

43:58

to coach? No, they're lacking some

44:00

weapons right now.

44:01

And I mean I would use this as an opportunity to

44:03

highlight your Lions team that won big

44:05

yesterday, and you know, Georg

44:09

people were you know, kind of grilling them for that. I

44:11

mean they you know, hit on Amin Ross, Saint Brown

44:13

a couple of years ago. They got Jamison Williams,

44:15

They've got, you know, a good line. I mean, it's uh,

44:18

you know, it's all coming together and it just shows you like,

44:20

you couldn't just have Gronk. Probably you need a Gronk

44:22

and Edelman, you know, And I think you look at some of

44:24

those Super Bowls, what in twenty seventeen

44:27

when you know you had you had Gronk, You

44:29

didn't have Edelman in sixteen. Yet you luckily you have

44:31

Bennett to fill in for Gronk. But you just it's

44:33

not enough to just have that number one receiver you

44:35

need. And I know it's not a pitch to

44:38

say, let's just get a bunch of threes and try to

44:40

make it work. But you need game changers.

44:42

And even you know, Patrick Mahomes isn't immune from that either.

44:44

Let's go back to the phones here, We'll talk to Patty

44:47

and Agoam here as

44:49

the Patriots pregame rolls on

44:51

eight five five Pats five hundred, what's

44:54

going on?

44:54

Pat Hey, good

44:56

morning, y'all.

44:57

Wow, look at Bushy. How

45:00

about that?

45:02

That's right? Man made a nice breakfast

45:04

this morning. I'm making some nice chili today.

45:06

So I just wanted to get into

45:08

why I think the Patriots have a really good chance today.

45:12

Okay, to me, you

45:15

just see mentally, I mean, I know,

45:17

like Pat Mahomes, receivers are dropping passes

45:20

on them, and yet I mean g Grabs.

45:22

Kelsey's aging and he's

45:25

he's an alzheimer. He's an all time great

45:27

already in his young career. But we

45:30

saw this after the twenty eighteen

45:32

AFC Championship game when they were bitching

45:34

about not getting the ball, you know, and

45:37

I mean, the rules are the rules, and we

45:39

all saw last week this guy lines up

45:41

offside like his whole body's over the ball,

45:44

and they're complaining about it. I mean, if

45:46

you're that mentally stopped, I

45:49

mean, come on, you're not. They're better than

45:51

that, That's all I gotta say. Remember twenty

45:53

thirteen when we played the Panthers, and

45:55

I mean Luke Keiley pretty much the same.

45:57

They haven't stopped complaining about that yet.

46:00

Yeah, well, what

46:02

did they say when they got the podium fall?

46:04

They just said they attacked the poor official

46:07

on the field.

46:09

On the field, Oh okay, Oh so

46:11

okay, So that's okay.

46:12

They didn't do it on the podium.

46:13

They they just attacked the guy on the field, so that was

46:15

okay, all right, got it? Okay, listen,

46:18

these guys put it. These guys put a lot into

46:20

these games. They get frustrated

46:22

the officials are awful, and

46:25

they react to it like I don't

46:27

really. It was way out of character

46:29

for I thought, embarrassing, so embarrassingly

46:32

so for Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes last week.

46:35

I'm not going to kill him for it. It was embarrassing.

46:37

They went on and on and on. It was embarrassing. They

46:40

did it. I get it, just

46:42

like Bill yelling at the guy about

46:44

the field goal in twenty twelve in

46:46

Baltimore, Like it happens. I don't kill these

46:48

guys for it. That it happens in the moment they're

46:51

frustrated. These games mean a lot. There

46:53

are only seventeen of them, they all

46:55

they all matter, and an official

46:58

comes into play frustrated. I get

47:00

it, Hey, bitch,

47:03

do.

47:03

You put any stock into them? Just like

47:06

like they're not playing good, Like they're two and four

47:08

in the last six games, right, and

47:10

it seems to me like they're.

47:11

Just Yeah, and they believe

47:13

that they would probably be four and two if the officials

47:16

didn't get in the way. That's the that's the whole

47:18

point. They're not playing well. They're not as

47:20

good offensively as they have been. They don't have an

47:22

offense. They don't

47:24

score a lot of points. They're at I mean, they're like middle

47:26

of the pack offensively. They average twenty two points a

47:28

game. This is way down for them.

47:30

They've scored more than twenty one four

47:33

times.

47:33

I think I'm not gonna go as far as Freddy said that

47:35

they're gonna win today, but I think I think

47:37

it's going to be close. I think it's going to be an entertaining

47:40

game.

47:40

Hopefully, Well it should be close

47:42

because the other team can't score, so it should

47:44

be a close game.

47:45

Yeah, and I'll pick the Chiefs

47:47

to win twenty to twenty

47:49

to eighteen. I'll throw deuce eighteen or

47:51

out there for you guys.

47:52

Nice appreciated. Thanks Pat enjoy

47:55

that chili chili.

47:59

He's making chili. He made

48:01

a nice breakfast and now he's making a nice chili.

48:03

Good job, sounds good for football watching

48:05

Sunday.

48:06

I like that, and then that sound good.

48:08

I do.

48:08

The Eggs had a little chili last night, good

48:10

Eggs with the.

48:11

Chili that see, I would

48:13

go green chill. I would go New Mexico

48:15

hatch green chili, which is not chili, but

48:18

it is a it is a chili.

48:20

I like it.

48:21

Yeah, oh, I love it. Can

48:23

we talk a little bit here about

48:25

the play that got called

48:27

back because of the offside

48:29

call? Yeah, the the Travis

48:31

Kelcey lateral to where I'm watching

48:34

it, It's like one of these eye popping plays.

48:36

Wow. And within five seconds

48:38

after he did it, I said, that was really dumb.

48:41

What a dumb play, so unnecessary,

48:48

risky play that after

48:50

the reception, it is a guaranteed

48:53

field goal to get you to overtime

48:55

if you don't run another play.

48:58

And it definitely gave me PTSD from

49:00

the from the Raiders game.

49:02

I like, I like, like like jumped.

49:04

I feel like when it happened, I was like, I'll.

49:06

Give him that. He you know, he executed

49:09

it obviously, and it and it worked

49:11

in the moment.

49:12

But it could have gone bad.

49:14

Did you think the same thing, Paul, Yeah,

49:16

I thought it was an unnecessary risk, just like

49:18

you said, and I didn't understand it. People

49:22

like I've been talking to a little bit wonder if

49:24

it was like a play, like if

49:26

it was like there's no intentional

49:28

I don't. I've watched a million times. I don't really

49:30

see any evidence that it was a designed

49:33

play because he just runs around

49:35

too long with the ball before

49:38

he throws it, Like if he had taken like one step and

49:40

he and immediately looked to the outside,

49:42

I think he's running, weaving in and

49:44

out of traffic.

49:45

I'm narrate it right, He's like.

49:49

Now he looks up and throws, like look

49:51

at that. He had the ball for a long

49:53

time before he threw it. So I don't think

49:55

it was a design play. And my initial reaction

49:58

was exactly what Hardy said. I just unbelievable

50:01

play that these guys are so gifted that they can

50:03

on the fly do something like.

50:04

This but a very unnecessary

50:06

risk.

50:07

I mean, do you think it's ever like a coaching point of

50:09

just throwing it out there of in desperation,

50:12

like this might be a place where if

50:14

you got Tony on the backside or the receiver, you know,

50:16

be be aware of it. I don't know.

50:17

It's just is it something was already in his mind or was a spur

50:19

of the moment kind of just.

50:20

On a random aside here, you know, like inactives

50:23

for like other games, Like you talk about the injuries

50:25

they're hitting. Miami Dolphins, this is their

50:27

inactive list. Javon Holland and

50:29

Deshaun Elliott their two starting safeties. Xavian

50:31

Howard are starting corner Tyreek Hill

50:34

nothing else to be said. And Robert Hunt

50:37

one of their offensive linemen. There are two

50:39

others that are on ir already. Like

50:42

that's like, this is the league.

50:45

This is the league.

50:45

Our inactives are out too, it's so Juju's

50:48

down. Sean Wade, Ramandre, Trenton

50:50

Brown, Kayshawn Butte, and

50:53

Sam Roberts and Pacheco

50:55

is out for the Chief

50:58

Element.

50:58

Smith Yeah, he was ruled out surgery.

51:00

I think shoulder surgery. It looks like according

51:03

to the Internet, he's.

51:05

Listed with a surgery. Yeah, that's

51:11

surgery with a surgery. Yeah. I have

51:13

a like

51:16

weird take.

51:17

That's bad for the Patriots that he's not playing today

51:21

because they would run the ball more if he

51:23

and I think you can't run the ball against the Patriots

51:27

got a throat.

51:28

You can't win rock. You can't

51:30

run guy. You ain't running guy.

51:33

Going back to that play again, also considering

51:36

how their wide

51:38

receivers have been dropping the ball as much as they have, I

51:40

would have been scared to even do something.

51:43

Yes, could you imagine like that

51:46

would.

51:46

Have been that's a fumble, right, Like that would

51:48

be a fumble, right like he went back?

51:50

Would yeah, yeah, absolutely,

51:53

whatever. I mean, I agree with you,

51:55

hardy. I think it was a very unnecessary risk and

51:57

just cocky.

51:58

You know, he's Dayton Taylor Swift, He's like can do anything.

52:00

I'm wow how we got Taylor Swift

52:02

into that.

52:03

But I'm on top of the world,

52:05

you take it.

52:06

I can do no wrong. And then the

52:09

the Patrick Mahomes commentary afterward,

52:12

which I capt

52:16

I hope they don't.

52:18

I hope they don't.

52:19

Leave that play Office Girls

52:22

into.

52:22

The Hall of Fame.

52:24

Me.

52:24

You can't that guy.

52:26

Your version kind of sounds like he's from the Bay

52:28

you.

52:31

I do think too, though part of it, part of this was why

52:33

I mean, and and our guest said it, you know, like

52:35

it's it's not just like what happened off

52:37

sides. They were bad but but it was the magic

52:40

of that play that was what they were pissed about. Was

52:42

like, oh, that was the coolest thing ever. You know, if it had counted

52:44

everybody, you know, that's what And that's.

52:46

The part of it that I get, because I

52:48

get that he's offside, you have to call the penalty. I'm

52:50

not I wouldn't suggest, but

52:52

it had nothing to do with the play. Like you could

52:54

make an argument like, oh, well, the

52:57

guy went in motion and he cut

52:59

forward too early, so well

53:01

you got to jump on the snap so that, you know, possibly

53:04

affects the play, or you know, a guy

53:06

set an illegal pick to open the guy up. That

53:08

play doesn't happen, you know, without

53:10

that. Yeah, but there's nothing

53:12

about the infraction that

53:14

led to the play. And I and I get that's

53:17

a little.

53:17

Bit more frustrating.

53:18

And it happens a lot. It happens a lot.

53:20

And it was the thirteenth time that an offensive

53:22

player has been called for offside according

53:25

to one of the one of the

53:27

penalty tracking websites that I looked at this week.

53:29

I know there was some.

53:30

Differing data about that, but the

53:33

the Eagles get called for that occasionally.

53:36

When they do the the brotherly

53:38

shove. Paul.

53:40

Well, that's what they call it. I didn't make that.

53:42

I know.

53:42

It's not a macalyte. No, it's it's not the wild

53:45

with my creativity. No, it's fine. I just

53:47

I think that you

53:50

know, the play itself and not looking

53:52

over to the official, which you know they're allowed

53:54

to do. The linesman

53:57

will tell you.

53:58

I just I'd love the pool when the referee

54:01

said he was so far offside we couldn't see. He couldn't

54:03

see the ball like that, the side

54:05

judge couldn't see the ball.

54:07

Yeah, there's dresses right down

54:09

there. Yeah, not from

54:11

my mob.

54:13

That's me before like a U twelve hockey game,

54:16

Like we're getting the face off and all the kids are coming in the circle.

54:18

And whoa, whoa, whoa, Well back up, back

54:20

up.

54:21

That's because they can't stop themselves

54:23

on their skates. They just start slip moving

54:25

on the the ices. See

54:27

the circle there.

54:28

It's there for a reason. Put a foot on a circle. There you go, it's

54:30

icy.

54:32

Uh.

54:32

How about we go to Texas?

54:34

Talk to Jose here on the Patriots pre game

54:37

fueled by Duncan Jose, what's going on?

54:40

What's going on?

54:41

Guys?

54:41

Hey, how you doing so.

54:43

I was I was hoping for the tank, and then I heard

54:46

Freddy talking about

54:48

wanting to see the Patriots win for the locker room.

54:50

I'm all aboard.

54:51

Now.

54:51

I kind of hope that we I

54:54

know we might not win out for it won't mean

54:56

much, but maybe Freddie will smile.

54:59

And that's that's all.

55:00

That's all that I'm looking for now. Three

55:04

in the books.

55:05

Yeah, I mean I the tank

55:08

is something nice to root for

55:11

in the abstract if it gets you, you know, a

55:13

certain player at a certain position

55:15

in the draft. But today, I don't know

55:17

how you show up at your lett Stadium or even

55:19

watch it at home and see the Patriots playing

55:21

the Chiefs and not hope that they win. And you

55:24

know, last week's Thursday Night

55:26

went against the Steelers didn't change your draft

55:28

order. You know, you're still in the same spots.

55:30

A little bit of wiggle, a little wiggle room. So

55:32

it's all right, Jose, I'm with you. I'm

55:36

picking them to win today. You know, it's

55:38

a little tipping up my hand.

55:40

I've been saying it for a weeks. What did because I had

55:42

to step out to do my chin wagon? Yeah, how

55:44

to go by the way, was Jesse's prediction.

55:46

Chiefs get right, get right here.

55:48

Yeah, they stopped the stupid mistakes, and there

55:51

was a score. I refuse to give an

55:53

actual score at.

55:54

A little He didn't refuse. I think,

55:57

yeah, he I think maybe

56:00

you couldn't remember you said he predicted it in the

56:02

Kansas City Tribune, which he plugged, or

56:04

the Kansas City Star excuse

56:07

me, which he plugged a lot while I was here.

56:09

That is a company man, right there. Good job,

56:11

Jesse newall. I liked like Deuce

56:13

and I I really I enjoyed

56:15

our time with Jesse.

56:16

I thought too.

56:17

I mean I was ready to just let him stay the whole show, and

56:19

you know I have to.

56:21

I noticed that I was getting well, he pipped

56:23

when I left. I just kept till

56:25

I look over. You

56:27

know, Deuce was like this

56:30

guy, hey, we love

56:32

him. You can't you can't hear it. But

56:34

you see through the glass too, right,

56:38

just waving aside Paul's empty chair. But

56:41

I could see were

56:43

you in here?

56:43

When I asked him about if Taylor Swip was a distraction.

56:47

No, thank god no,

56:50

But I would say, just getting like a guy in here, and usually

56:52

it'll it feels a little rush when they're on the phone. But but you really

56:54

just get a sense of what the feel was. And I mean,

56:56

of all the weeks to get a feel for how things were in Kansas

56:58

City, this is a really good one. I thought he had a lot

57:00

of insight. I just and I said, Paul,

57:03

I think you were out, But I just said so much of what he said kind

57:05

of just reminded me of like the Patriots after

57:07

a while and maybe kicking butt. Nobody really likes him anymore.

57:09

Everyone want to complain about them, and you know, just some of

57:11

the issues that they're having sustaining well.

57:13

And that was like, you know, when I came in, it was like in the

57:16

middle of Patty's call and he was talking

57:18

about and I totally agree, Like it was

57:21

embarrassing how much they complained last week.

57:24

This is how everybody thought about you,

57:26

yep, for all those years. Yeah, because

57:28

on the few occasions that you actually

57:30

lost games, it was always the Rep's fault.

57:33

And I can give you a chapter in verse a million different

57:35

examples. They never got beat by anybody.

57:37

It was always like that.

57:39

Snake cleat snakeman, he

57:41

doesn't like.

57:43

You know, he right right,

57:45

and and that and that was kind of always the way

57:47

and that's how everybody else viewed

57:50

you, and now

57:52

we're doing and that's what like I like I

57:54

said, I thought it was embarrassing the extent that

57:56

that that read and mahomes they went last

57:58

week. Come on, no, they wouldn't

58:01

stop.

58:01

Paul from your perspective, I mean, you know, complaining

58:04

about rest stuff aside, like when did you start to

58:06

feel kind of a shift from the Patriots being

58:08

that underdog, you know, everybody's American

58:10

team in one?

58:12

Two?

58:12

You know, three was right when it was when they just started

58:15

rolling after they won.

58:16

Because I'll be honest here, when

58:18

they won the first one and then didn't make the playoffs

58:21

the next year, I sort of thought, well,

58:23

it all came together. They got a million breaks, we

58:25

know, all the different breaks

58:27

they got down the stretch of that season to win games,

58:30

and not the least of which was the Jets

58:32

beating the Raiders to make the Raiders have to come

58:34

here for the playoffs and give you the

58:36

buye and all that stuff. And

58:38

then they didn't make the playoffs the next year. I was like, that was kind of

58:40

a fluke. And then three they go fourteen

58:42

and two and roll through the

58:44

playoffs, win another

58:46

super Bowl.

58:47

That was it.

58:48

And four they

58:50

weren't the scrappy underdog anymore, even though they tried

58:52

to paint themselves as one. They were favored on

58:55

the road of the AFC Championship

58:57

game against a fifteen to one team.

59:00

Yeah, that's how good they were.

59:04

But nobody thought they could do it. No, no believed

59:07

And as Willia mcginnia said

59:09

to me, Paul, you might have wrote

59:11

written that, but you didn't really believe it. Yeah,

59:13

And I was like, I can, I can show you my prediction. Right,

59:16

you didn't believe it. You said that we were favored,

59:18

but you didn't really believe it.

59:19

What was it? And what was They had a lot of fun with us. What

59:21

was the line in the Super Bowl that year? I

59:25

don't know.

59:28

I had to like that was also that was also

59:30

the one super Bowl that I did not attend.

59:32

Oh did you get married or something?

59:33

Well, Will was born, that's

59:36

a good reason. Yeah.

59:37

Also, I think one of the biggest things

59:39

from Jesse that I liked was how he, you know, kept

59:41

talking about their self inflicted wounds

59:43

and all the things that they were doing and how they weren't able to overcome

59:46

them.

59:46

And I laughed, because he's just like.

59:48

You know, people are looking at us like eight and five, like we

59:50

don't want to hear it.

59:52

We have bigger problems.

59:53

But to hear that, Like he kept pointing

59:55

to those turnovers

59:57

and how they weren't able to overcome it. That's weird,

1:00:00

Holmes. Not able to overcome an interception

1:00:02

and still win the game. Yeah, and not have

1:00:04

any fourth quarter comebacks.

1:00:06

It's it's new territory for them. But I

1:00:08

do like the I did like that. Jesse

1:00:11

said, you know, after all the complaining that Mahomes

1:00:13

and Reid were doing, he thought

1:00:15

of this and one

1:00:17

of the guys on our station, on your station there,

1:00:20

Paul, it was Fred. It was the first one

1:00:22

to say it. I think on a Monday of

1:00:24

last week. He's like, Mahomes

1:00:26

isn't really that mad at the officials,

1:00:28

He's mad at his receivers.

1:00:30

Yeah.

1:00:30

I totally agree.

1:00:31

And that's what like, if you want to say, why

1:00:33

can't they overcome these things?

1:00:35

That's it. Yeah, because he constantly

1:00:38

is putting his team in position to win these games

1:00:40

and his teammates are letting him down.

1:00:42

Yeah.

1:00:44

Jeff is in Maine and he is on the Patriots

1:00:46

pre Game Show Field by Duncan Jeff, what's

1:00:48

going on?

1:00:51

Hey, Hey Jeff, I don't

1:00:53

know if you guys have gone over an actis yet. I just a

1:00:55

few minutes ago, but

1:00:59

Booty is inactive again.

1:01:03

He wasn't on the injury report on Friday.

1:01:06

I have been, maybe

1:01:09

against my better judgment, championing

1:01:12

for him to get some more playing time.

1:01:15

But from the team's

1:01:17

view, if he's practicing

1:01:20

and preparing so

1:01:22

badly that they won't play him with

1:01:25

their first and second

1:01:27

string receivers at his natural position

1:01:29

at the Z was Born and Juju

1:01:32

both out. If they're not willing

1:01:34

to play him when he's

1:01:36

their third string and those two are

1:01:38

out, shouldn't wouldn't from their

1:01:40

point of view, they just want to cut him. I

1:01:42

mean, if he's not good enough to be their third string

1:01:45

Z in a three receiver set,

1:01:47

I don't understand why they're

1:01:50

keeping him. I don't know what's

1:01:52

going on there, but it just it seems

1:01:54

to me like they don't even view

1:01:56

him.

1:01:56

As an NFL receiver.

1:01:58

Yeah, I mean, it's a fair, fair point, fair

1:02:00

question.

1:02:02

I would argue that to Mario Douglas

1:02:04

is that I think he's the zy, But

1:02:07

that's semantics, I

1:02:10

continue to say, Mike, and I think

1:02:12

you're with me. I was extremely

1:02:15

unimpressed with Kai Shawn Booty throughout training

1:02:17

camp.

1:02:17

I thought there were.

1:02:18

An occasional flash play or two that

1:02:20

he made that seemed to generate a lot of attention,

1:02:24

but on a consistent basis, I didn't see him

1:02:26

getting open. I didn't see him catching the ball. I didn't see

1:02:28

him making a lot of plays.

1:02:29

I feel like that the same thing happened at LSU.

1:02:31

I feel like he had those moments where he showed

1:02:34

that he could be a top round

1:02:36

pick, and then there are other moments where you're like, forget that

1:02:38

he's even out there.

1:02:39

He had one absolute

1:02:41

monster game at LSU that sort

1:02:43

of carried his career.

1:02:44

There wasn't it the Tennessee

1:02:46

preseason game where he had the nice catch in the

1:02:49

one of the preseason games.

1:02:50

It might have been Green Bay. But yeah, but you know, that's

1:02:52

what I'm saying. He has a flash play here or there,

1:02:56

that's it.

1:02:56

I mean, it's kind of similar to how I felt about Malie

1:02:59

Cunningham, that these guys make a couple of plays

1:03:01

in the preseason that aren't fully viewed, and you

1:03:03

know, then everybody kind of just

1:03:05

gloms onto them of like that one play is what

1:03:07

they could be if they could just get playing time. I mean, for whatever

1:03:10

reason. Look, Jalen Rager is

1:03:12

above him right now, and that's basically what it boils

1:03:14

down.

1:03:15

That's the one that you know, I would point

1:03:17

to, not necessarily any slot

1:03:19

stuff, but if Rager,

1:03:21

who has been an afterthought for

1:03:23

two months.

1:03:24

Two catches, and he's gotten some chances.

1:03:27

And I do agree is that, Jeff, I

1:03:30

do agree with Jeff that have they

1:03:32

just decided that, you know this, this guy's not really

1:03:35

an NFL player because he can't seem

1:03:37

to get on the field.

1:03:38

I mean even Kasiki, who we probably would point to as well,

1:03:40

he's kind of a receiver. I mean, he's not even really

1:03:42

getting any attention either, but he's active every

1:03:44

week. Jeff had Sorry, Jeff.

1:03:46

I will say after an active I

1:03:49

meant to say, like tomorrow, Douglas being back

1:03:51

today.

1:03:52

Is huge, Yeah, I mean I just I

1:03:54

just am excited to give Zappi a little bit more to work

1:03:56

with today. And I mean I think that, to me is the key

1:03:58

line from the Patriots today is can the offense

1:04:00

put together a consistent game? Can you know, Zappi

1:04:03

continue to make strides. I think, you know, over

1:04:05

the last four games. I don't know how much you can learn. I think the

1:04:07

defense is pretty good. But if you see significant

1:04:10

strides from Zappi and you see the offense start to

1:04:12

come together a little bit here in the final four games,

1:04:14

I think that that's I think it's significant.

1:04:16

I would love to see him, you know, have

1:04:19

some kind of a rapport with the Mario

1:04:21

Douglas out there today, because, let's face

1:04:23

it, as good and dynamic a player as he is,

1:04:25

he's not a just get it up there in

1:04:27

his general direction, he's gonna come down with it.

1:04:29

He's not that type of receiver. If

1:04:31

you get it to him, he can make good things happen

1:04:33

after the catch.

1:04:34

But you guys will have to tell me what happens, because

1:04:36

I'm going to be watching, like my hands

1:04:39

over my face every time he's out there. Yeah,

1:04:41

Like, I just get worried about guys that have two

1:04:43

concussions in like six weeks and back out

1:04:45

there, Like I worry about those things.

1:04:47

I know, And everybody says, why is he always worried? He's

1:04:49

always concerned about something. Yeah, I've

1:04:51

seen guys careers end early with multiple

1:04:53

concussions, and I worry. I think he's a promising

1:04:56

player. We're gonna step

1:04:58

side and then we're going to continue.

1:05:00

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1:05:03

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1:05:10

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that's true.

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She might be onto something.

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There, but how do I know it's going to

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be relevant in that game? Yeah?

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And today, Russell Wilson, I mean, I

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don't know, Samara, I'm not showing

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up for that game.

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Did she get mud and the tires?

1:12:05

Is that what happened? Anybody

1:12:08

who's been been in Mississippi being stuck

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in the mud? That's right,

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that's right. Welcome

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back to the Patriots

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pregame show, fuel by Dunkin at ju Led

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Stadium. Glorious day, wondering about

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the rain coming in later. It's going to be nasty

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around here tomorrow. And yes I am a cocker

1:12:28

duty weather man.

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Now he's going for the button.

1:12:31

Yeah it

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is.

1:12:34

Uhh did you tell did you tell Hardy when

1:12:36

somebody called in and gave him some guff about the

1:12:38

email reading.

1:12:39

That Now

1:12:41

you got some criticism for being too theatrical.

1:12:43

When you read that it was theatrical

1:12:46

after Fred, after Fred called you out for just

1:12:48

reading the emails plainly, and you you you

1:12:51

played it up a little bit. Now you're getting criticized

1:12:53

for can't you just read the emails?

1:12:55

Can be so theatrical? All right, well let's let's

1:12:58

let's see how I do with this one. This is Amber

1:13:00

from Arizona. Hey, y'all,

1:13:04

today is my first time seeing the Patriots

1:13:06

in person, and I'm super excited.

1:13:09

I'm making my family listen to the pregame

1:13:12

show right now to get excited

1:13:14

for the game, and just wanted to say, keep

1:13:16

up the good work.

1:13:17

Love listening to y'all.

1:13:20

Thanks Amber from a

1:13:22

Z.

1:13:24

That was that an Arizona accent?

1:13:26

Yeah? I wasn't really good.

1:13:27

It wasn't.

1:13:27

I don't know, dog, A little pitchy, little pitchy

1:13:30

dog.

1:13:30

I thought that was it?

1:13:33

Is it really, Miss Arizona? Get out of here, Miss

1:13:35

Arizona. That's not exactly like

1:13:38

Miss Montana either, I mean Miss Arizona.

1:13:42

Bring it. Yeah, hold on a second,

1:13:44

I just.

1:13:45

Want Arizona, State Arizona.

1:13:47

Quick google here of Amber

1:13:50

miss Arizona and see what. Oh

1:13:52

she is a delight she's a delight.

1:13:55

Look at her. She's a the practically

1:13:58

America's.

1:13:58

Sweetheart, right, rocking

1:14:01

Patriots unfiltered T shirts for us.

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Oh, there you go. That's fantastic, that's awesome.

1:14:05

Well, that's that's really really nice. Thank you, Amber.

1:14:07

I have no idea if you sound like that, but.

1:14:10

It sounded right.

1:14:11

I appreciate, appreciate you. Listen, stop

1:14:13

on.

1:14:13

Most people sound like that.

1:14:15

He appreciate you. Yeah. Why don't you escort

1:14:18

her into this studio? I mean, is as nice as

1:14:20

it was having Jesse Nowle here from the Kansas

1:14:22

City Star. How about miss Arizona?

1:14:25

Could you give her an escort through the concourse there?

1:14:27

Matt I could?

1:14:28

Yeah, I mean I don't think that's allowed

1:14:30

near women.

1:14:32

What fifty yards?

1:14:33

Wo? Wow? That seemed

1:14:36

really unfair, Erica.

1:14:39

In Virginia, you don't have to talk to Duce if

1:14:41

you don't want to, Erica, I wouldn't blame you.

1:14:45

Not.

1:14:47

Yeah, how about that?

1:14:49

Sorry?

1:14:49

What you got for us today? Erica?

1:14:52

I got a couple of things. Still

1:14:54

there.

1:14:54

Oh, she just stepped down, she pregame warm ups.

1:14:58

Well, I just need to know she's watch

1:15:00

Silence of the Lambs yet, because now my best friend

1:15:02

needs to know.

1:15:03

I'm going to say, no, she did.

1:15:04

I'm gonna guess she did. She probably

1:15:07

stay on it all of her off days. We're

1:15:09

probably spent watching Laura in order or sleeping or

1:15:12

sleeping.

1:15:13

Yeah.

1:15:14

Well, anyway, Hey, is there a chance

1:15:16

that we see a booty

1:15:20

uh somehow and get them

1:15:22

to play next year? Because I mean, obviously

1:15:24

we're not going.

1:15:24

To see him.

1:15:25

I mean what, Yeah, I think

1:15:27

he's got I mean, he'll have a chance to come back and compete. I mean

1:15:30

maybe, I mean, I that's all. That's

1:15:32

way down the list though of what what is this

1:15:35

organization going to look like at that point?

1:15:36

You know?

1:15:36

But I mean I would say, generally speaking, you've

1:15:39

had a guy who's stuck around, and I mean you've you've you've

1:15:41

put a little bit of time into him. I don't think, you

1:15:43

know, like our last caller, that he necessarily has a death

1:15:45

sentence. But I don't know. I mean,

1:15:47

it's it's you don't you're not in the position where, hey, we're

1:15:49

good, we don't need any receivers. Like I just think anybody

1:15:51

with some talent that you've that you put some time into,

1:15:53

keep them around until you have to get rid of them.

1:15:56

True, So I'm all right, and

1:15:58

then there is uh day, is there

1:16:00

a point in winning today?

1:16:03

Is there a point in it?

1:16:05

I think you can get something out of winning, absolutely,

1:16:08

and particularly when you play in a good team with

1:16:10

you know, with a good you know, a good history.

1:16:12

Yeah. I think any time you win, you

1:16:15

know what I mean, it's better than losing. As

1:16:17

Lush would say, it's.

1:16:18

Just hard to balance because I mean, how you know how many Patriots Sands

1:16:20

would love nothing more than to you know, be a thorn in

1:16:22

the paid and the chief side of trying to get playoff

1:16:25

seating and all that, and you know, I mean, look, it

1:16:27

all comes down to the draft position. I get it. But you know

1:16:29

it's still it's this is a good team that that would probably

1:16:31

feel draft aside pretty good to you

1:16:33

know, beat an old rival somebody like that.

1:16:35

And that's how I would feel about it.

1:16:36

Like, I don't think it necessarily has to mean anything

1:16:38

going forward in terms of culture or you

1:16:41

know, a better outlook for next season. But

1:16:44

I don't worry, Like at the end of the year, the draft

1:16:46

position is going to be what it is. But I've said this a million

1:16:49

times. You can't play the games to

1:16:51

worry about draft position. You can't go out there

1:16:54

and intentionally try to lose.

1:16:55

You have to try. You have to try to win the games.

1:16:57

This draft position, because we're so fall

1:17:00

in already, right.

1:17:01

Yeah, I mean,

1:17:03

I think there is something to

1:17:05

be said for the

1:17:07

win in terms of what it would mean for Belichick

1:17:09

as a team as a whole. No,

1:17:12

I mean, but for the head coach, both

1:17:14

personally for him in terms

1:17:16

of, you know, the wins and and what it

1:17:18

could mean to maybe holding

1:17:21

on to the idea of getting his job here

1:17:23

again next year if that's what he wants. Yeah, of course.

1:17:25

I just think here's he needs

1:17:28

what fifteen more, sixteen more wins, sixteen

1:17:32

to break the record to break, So any you

1:17:34

know, any wins that he can get meaningful

1:17:36

for him.

1:17:37

Yes, Erica, thanks to the call, appreciate it.

1:17:39

We're going to go to David New York. What's up, David?

1:17:41

Thanks for joining us.

1:17:44

Hey, guys, what's it going?

1:17:45

Hey?

1:17:46

Really good?

1:17:47

Hey, So I had a two part question

1:17:50

here.

1:17:51

The first part is how do you guys feel about

1:17:54

the fans who are wanting to lose

1:17:56

these games and

1:17:59

for a better draft position. And then my second part

1:18:01

to this question is how does the fan and you feel

1:18:03

about that. Do you want this team to keep winning? Do

1:18:06

you want to get that better draft pick, you know, short

1:18:08

term pain for long term gain. Yeah, and

1:18:10

then I'll take it off there.

1:18:12

Thank guys. I mean, I think we're all

1:18:14

all conflicted because you know, and

1:18:16

you do have a little bit of breathing room. That's why I like last week

1:18:18

the last one, I didn't get too upset because they're in the same spot.

1:18:20

And you know, I don't know, I just I

1:18:22

do think that there's a there's a fine

1:18:24

line with every draft pick that you drop down, and especially

1:18:27

when you need a quarterback and we know there's

1:18:29

you know, a couple of guys the top that you'd love

1:18:31

to, you know, have a choice.

1:18:32

Between Drake may or Caleb BOMs.

1:18:34

I don't know if those one of those guys is you know the answer

1:18:36

and who you have to pick, but would love to have the

1:18:38

choice and be in that department. You don't want

1:18:40

to be fourth fifth overall and you see

1:18:42

the top two quarterbacks go. And then as we've discussed,

1:18:45

you're kind of all right, well, I'm going to talk myself

1:18:47

into you know, Pennix or Daniel's or you know those

1:18:49

guys who are who very well may be good players, and but

1:18:51

I think you just you'd love to have the choice. So I'm conflicted,

1:18:54

like everybody is. I just try not to think

1:18:56

about it, and you know, go into each game. I'd love to just

1:18:58

see them fight hard. And if they come out on the bottom,

1:19:00

all right, well that's the silver lining, is that they're staying

1:19:02

down there.

1:19:03

Fanboy and me, I would rather

1:19:06

the draft pick lose. But I

1:19:08

know it doesn't work like. It doesn't work like that in a vacuum,

1:19:10

Like you have to try to win the game as

1:19:12

the players and the organization, right.

1:19:14

And if Bill already knows,

1:19:17

you know, or feels in his heart, if hearts he's

1:19:19

not coming back next year, then yes,

1:19:22

of course he's going to try and win every game

1:19:24

on the way out, A for his record, and

1:19:26

B what am I doing them any favors for

1:19:29

by you know, losing games

1:19:31

and improving their draft position, you know, making

1:19:34

another team in the league that much better that

1:19:36

I am going to have to somehow compete against

1:19:39

either head to head or just you

1:19:41

know, in a in a playoff race next

1:19:43

year. If Bill already has his sight

1:19:46

set on another team, so either

1:19:48

either way, it it behooves

1:19:51

Bill to win today.

1:19:53

Can I ask this a general question? This is just kind of

1:19:55

a general philosophical question that I just

1:19:57

don't feel like we've jumped in on. Is why

1:19:59

did offense get worse this year?

1:20:03

That he was going to be so heavy. That's

1:20:05

a really good question. It was supposed

1:20:08

to be better with Bill O's and taking over

1:20:10

as the offense.

1:20:11

I think there's probably a lot of reasons. I think

1:20:13

it starts that the quarterback has played worse. I

1:20:16

think as the as the year. You know, he

1:20:19

wasn't very good last year. I don't think he was very I

1:20:22

don't think he was great his first year either.

1:20:23

I think he got off to a.

1:20:24

Promising start slowly declined.

1:20:28

I think he's been worse now. So

1:20:31

I think it starts with that they don't

1:20:34

have a lot of weapons. I don't ignore

1:20:36

that. I don't I don't ignore the offensive

1:20:38

line issues that they've had. I think for

1:20:40

a myriad of reasons started in the offseason

1:20:43

with not addressing the offensive line.

1:20:45

They didn't bring in any tackles, and

1:20:47

mac Jones just hasn't played well. I mean, it's

1:20:50

very simplistic, and there's probably a ton

1:20:53

of complicated reasons why those

1:20:55

things have happened.

1:20:56

But no, you're I mean, you're right, it's just that's, i

1:20:58

mean, just boiled down to its most you know, general

1:21:00

thing. It was just we spent so much time last year complaining

1:21:02

about Matt Patricia and the decision that they made with the offense.

1:21:04

And there's no question that you know that that

1:21:07

that that was a bad move and that that did not work. But

1:21:09

I just don't think anybody you know, could have said,

1:21:11

all right, like I mean, I kind of considered

1:21:14

generally the offensive line in the weapons

1:21:16

probably kind of a wash, right. I mean, I'll listen to

1:21:18

Jacoby hurt, like it's certainly

1:21:21

having a guy that Mac trusted and not having

1:21:23

that that hurts. But you know, at the

1:21:25

same time, it's you know, John Huferb gets sicky

1:21:27

whatever.

1:21:28

You know, not and not as much help from the

1:21:30

defense as they got last That's a great point,

1:21:32

Paul.

1:21:32

They haven't scored this h and I'm not even.

1:21:34

Talking about like the direct I think they had eight direct

1:21:36

touchdowns, but they had a lot of

1:21:38

turnovers they created last year, and they've been

1:21:41

very average in terms of forcing turnovers this year.

1:21:43

That's like look at you know, all of a sudden, you scored twenty

1:21:45

one the other night. Well one of them was

1:21:47

on an eleven yard drive, you know,

1:21:50

pick six basically. Yeah, So when

1:21:52

you're not getting any of those and you have to you

1:21:54

know, it's hard.

1:21:55

Yeah, I just I mean, I think what I'm as, we're trying

1:21:57

to, like, you know, parse out everything of what's Bill, what's

1:21:59

Mack, every et cetera. It's like, you know, what what

1:22:02

do we lay at Bill's feet for this season? In terms

1:22:04

of the offense? You know what I mean, we can certainly say they should

1:22:06

have gone out and you know, really made sure the offensive

1:22:09

line was was you know, satisfied,

1:22:11

satisfactorily built on the edges, and you

1:22:13

know, they could have done more.

1:22:14

We would like to see somebody different than Juju.

1:22:16

But you know, at the same time, it's just it's

1:22:18

hard to just kind of basically swap Matt Patricia

1:22:21

for Bill O'Brien, who, look has done

1:22:23

it here, has done it in college, he did it with you know,

1:22:25

in Houston a little bit. He's gotten functional offense.

1:22:27

Everyone has every reason to believe that this guy knows

1:22:30

how to coach an offensive football team, and somehow

1:22:32

it got worse. That's just you know, at the heart

1:22:34

of it, it's a simple question, but we

1:22:37

just don't really ask.

1:22:38

Yeah, it's hard to wrap your head around. And the more you talk

1:22:40

about it, the less you end up blaming.

1:22:42

I think Bill Belichick for it, which you

1:22:44

know he's not thought of as being an offensive

1:22:46

minded head coach to begin with. But

1:22:49

you know, I think Paul hit on it right away. It's well,

1:22:52

I think Mac played worse. And you

1:22:54

know, you want to go back even a year before

1:22:56

that, the expectation was

1:22:59

after his first year, said well, what's

1:23:01

going to happen this year? You know it'll be Mac's

1:23:04

second year, He's gonna play better. And

1:23:06

I remember raising my hand early on and saying,

1:23:08

there's no indicat it doesn't what if he doesn't,

1:23:11

And we started to see the beginning of that. What

1:23:13

I did not see coming was that that

1:23:16

trend would continue into his

1:23:18

third year and that because that is really hamstrung

1:23:21

the team.

1:23:22

Yeah, I am.

1:23:23

Do you say, well, just like even if you go.

1:23:25

Back to last year the Patricia judge

1:23:28

here, and there was a period

1:23:30

after Mac got healthy when

1:23:32

he came back. I don't

1:23:35

know if it was the middle or whatever, But down

1:23:37

the stretch of the season he

1:23:40

did a better job of protecting the ball, avoiding

1:23:43

turnovers. And they weren't great offensively

1:23:45

by any stretch of the imagination, but they were a little

1:23:48

bit better.

1:23:49

You know.

1:23:49

I even think of the last game of the year in Buffalo.

1:23:52

You know, they just they've gotten a shootout. They can't

1:23:54

win a shootout, but he I mean, it wasn't

1:23:56

like this, Well you're scoring six points

1:23:59

in the game, you know, on a consistent basis,

1:24:02

and it got worse. Yeah, like

1:24:04

this, the first ten twelve games

1:24:06

this year were worse than by

1:24:08

far the last say,

1:24:11

seven or eight games last year.

1:24:13

And like when I go back, I just I think if there were

1:24:15

something to discuss with Bill's kind of

1:24:17

role in this season was that.

1:24:19

I don't think we ever thought he actually believed

1:24:21

in.

1:24:21

Matt, you know, I mean, even going back to last year, where Mac

1:24:24

can play in this league, like it constantly felt like

1:24:26

Bill had been trying to push the right buttons

1:24:29

with him to get the play

1:24:31

that they thought maybe they could get out of him. But

1:24:33

I just wonder if they knew a

1:24:36

that they might not get Mac back and get

1:24:38

him really on track and be how they really felt about

1:24:40

Zappi last offseason because by I think

1:24:42

we all kind of went through camp. Zappi's

1:24:45

fine. We saw him last year. He can be a fine backup quarter

1:24:47

He gets cut everyone with surprise.

1:24:49

You know.

1:24:49

I think the question for me in regards

1:24:51

to all this is could they have done something on

1:24:53

the quarterback market? Could they have gotten And I mean, I

1:24:55

don't know if these guys were but you know we're seeing what like minshe

1:24:58

was doing, like one of these like veteran guys who was out

1:25:00

there that says, look, if it all falls apart

1:25:02

with Mac and we kind of have a suspecion, sneaking

1:25:05

feeling that Zappi's not going to be great

1:25:07

for Bill O'Brien's offense for whatever reason.

1:25:10

You know, maybe they could have made a move and had at least some

1:25:12

kind of veteran to go to. Maybe maybe that's the

1:25:14

avenue. But I don't know. It's a tough question.

1:25:16

Dumbpack All right, eight five five

1:25:18

Pats five hundred web radio at Patriots

1:25:22

dot com. I'll get

1:25:24

to some more emails here. I'll

1:25:27

just I'll read the no I'll try and do this

1:25:29

one. You got some

1:25:31

electric electronic mail I do.

1:25:33

It's from Joe in Weymouth formerly

1:25:37

Beautiful Osprey, Florida. Guys and Gal,

1:25:40

I want to keep Bill because I do not

1:25:42

believe his coaching is the issue.

1:25:45

I'm not blind and I recognize he is also

1:25:47

responsible for the talent. So there's

1:25:49

no need to attack me on that point. And

1:25:51

I know I'm in the minority on these points.

1:25:54

However, what happens if Bill completely

1:25:56

out coaches read today? Does that

1:25:59

move any of you who want

1:26:01

Bill gone? And Okay,

1:26:03

so in a vacuum this one

1:26:06

game, Joe, No, But

1:26:09

I have to say it again from my

1:26:11

standpoint and also trying to put myself

1:26:13

in the shoes of ownership. If

1:26:16

they win this game today, the Patriots do,

1:26:19

and they win a prime time game,

1:26:22

another primetime game on Christmas

1:26:24

Eve, and then they beat the Bills

1:26:27

in Buffalo, you'd have to be inhuman

1:26:30

not to start second guessing yourself. And

1:26:32

Paul, I understand what you said earlier.

1:26:34

It's fine at the end of the season. You

1:26:37

know, what does it matter? How did you play in

1:26:39

the first thirteen games? Yes, of

1:26:41

course you're right. I get all

1:26:43

of that, but we're

1:26:46

not dealing with robots here, and we're

1:26:48

also dealing with an ownership that all

1:26:50

things being equal, the last thing they

1:26:53

want to do is move on from Bill

1:26:55

Belichick after having to do that with Tom

1:26:57

Brady or making that decision,

1:26:59

they don't want to do this again.

1:27:00

I'm not sure about that one. But I'm

1:27:03

not here to take anyone's opinions away from by

1:27:05

the way, like you know, he was like, you know, don't attap me.

1:27:07

I don't.

1:27:08

I mean, I'm not telling you I never have, but

1:27:11

I mean, Mike's opinion, your opinion,

1:27:13

my opinion. Let's face it, they're all worth the same nothing

1:27:16

right, It's just our thoughts. So I'm

1:27:18

not here to tell you like you want

1:27:21

to put something into like I would

1:27:23

also wonder what, like what's the definition

1:27:26

of out coached, what's the definition

1:27:28

of the out coach? Like, So

1:27:30

let's just say the Chiefs play a typical twenty

1:27:33

twenty three Chiefs game and Kadarius Tony

1:27:35

drops three passes and the Watson

1:27:37

kid is not where we're supposed to be three times, and

1:27:40

the Chiefs end up losing I

1:27:43

don't know, twenty four to

1:27:45

twenty.

1:27:45

Yeah, they should have coached.

1:27:46

So that's exactly the same game that Kansas City's

1:27:49

played every game, but you're gonna deem it Bill

1:27:51

out coached him because you think that the

1:27:53

Chiefs are way better than the Patriots, right

1:27:57

totally. So that that's like, I

1:28:02

just wonder, what does it look like when you say, like, oh,

1:28:04

he just totally out coached Andy Reid today,

1:28:06

What does that look like?

1:28:06

I don't know, We'll find out after the.

1:28:09

I mean, you know, like I mean, I wouldn't even I would

1:28:12

just start with like their special teams not make a potentially

1:28:14

game losing play today, like you know, did their

1:28:16

special thank you for bringing up coaching those

1:28:19

kind of things like that, Like that's you know, do they

1:28:21

not have too many men on the field?

1:28:23

Penalties? You know the Patriots and there and

1:28:25

they just there's been a lot of things that has not

1:28:27

looked like a good coach, well coached team. There's been a lot

1:28:29

of mistakes that had it has.

1:28:32

A one year thing. This is like

1:28:34

a four year sample now. Sloppy,

1:28:38

sloppiness, and that

1:28:41

to me, like I get it, like x'es

1:28:44

and o's, I don't think there are too many guys

1:28:46

that that do x's and o's better than Bill Belichick.

1:28:48

I get it. And I think that's what people are clinging

1:28:50

to. But there's so much more to it than that, so

1:28:53

much more.

1:28:54

It's interesting when you're talking. I mean, we've had a lot of conversation

1:28:56

on you know, if if they were to get a new coach

1:28:58

and you know a lot of desire for and

1:29:01

you know, offensive whiz and we need an offensive

1:29:03

whiz. And I just I look at, you know a little

1:29:05

bit, what the Raiders are doing, a little what the Texans are doing,

1:29:07

Like is there just something to be said for having

1:29:09

a head coach that maybe necessarily isn't an Ex's

1:29:12

and O's wiz, but it's just a guy that players

1:29:14

want to play for.

1:29:15

And that's another one. Like so like you look

1:29:17

at like these these league wide things and we

1:29:19

we every week and I do it too.

1:29:21

I love it. I have a notebook that's basically one

1:29:24

week snapshots. Like that's what we do.

1:29:26

You know, you guys have the sound of Sundays on

1:29:28

the sports Hub hardy, but you sort of bounce around

1:29:30

the league, right, you know.

1:29:31

You do more read and react. But yeah, okay,

1:29:33

okay, all right, read and react, all right, So like

1:29:37

everybody does it and you should. It's fun.

1:29:39

That's why That's what makes the NFL different is that you

1:29:41

can take one game and make so Aidan

1:29:44

O'Connell for the Raiders was

1:29:46

the very worst rated passer

1:29:48

in football before the Thursday

1:29:51

night game. What do you think

1:29:53

that game had more more to do with the Raiders

1:29:56

or the Chargers?

1:29:58

The Chargers stuff play.

1:30:00

So now suddenly, and I just what you said,

1:30:03

Mike, I'm seeing on Twitter like this

1:30:05

is what happens when you get a young, a young quarterback

1:30:07

and you believe in you have a he's been

1:30:10

terrible. He had one game

1:30:13

where they scored sixty three points against the

1:30:15

team that was utterly

1:30:17

determined to get their coach

1:30:20

fired. That's

1:30:22

what happened on Thursday night. I'm sorry you don't lose

1:30:25

the game sixty three to twenty one because

1:30:27

you just had this wonderful game plan and

1:30:29

your quarterback played out of his mind. They

1:30:32

had help a lot of it from the other

1:30:34

team, and they had no business, they had no

1:30:36

interest in being there. Like we

1:30:40

can get lost and say like, oh, he look

1:30:42

at him, Look look at how they're playing for him.

1:30:44

Like right, but the

1:30:46

season's over right, Well, and that's

1:30:48

I mean, and I mean, at that point, you know to Houston

1:30:51

too, But it's like they didn't want to play for charges,

1:30:53

didn't want to play for their coach. You know, I just think we're so

1:30:56

what did you think of.

1:30:57

The just out of curiosity, what do we think of the

1:30:59

effort in the New Worlds game this

1:31:01

year for the Patriots? So

1:31:04

when the season was still a season, they

1:31:07

quit in the second half in Dallas, they

1:31:10

basically quit right after the first pick six in

1:31:12

the New Orleans game, right, But

1:31:15

they're playing hard from now, So you know,

1:31:17

let's keep them for old time sake. You know, we'll

1:31:19

make them Tessio and we'll say, you know, we'll get them

1:31:21

off the hook for old time sake. Like, if

1:31:24

you want to keep them, then

1:31:27

keep them, But don't keep them

1:31:29

because they played hard when they were two and ten.

1:31:32

Like that's what I don't get.

1:31:33

Yeah, and that I mean to be to be clear, like not

1:31:35

the not the point I was making.

1:31:37

This was a hearty thing. Oh

1:31:39

no, no, it's look, Paul, you

1:31:41

look at the totality of the season, and

1:31:43

nothing should change if you made up your mind,

1:31:45

And I think you were right to make up your mind after that.

1:31:48

Oh, here he.

1:31:48

Comes, the destroyer of World's Bailey zappy.

1:31:51

Yeah, and I'm and I'm totally I'm

1:31:53

totally with you.

1:31:55

Eric in the background there, Sarah, you got a lot of a lot of

1:31:57

Patriots Dot Com presence in that

1:32:00

focus.

1:32:02

I have to say, you know, just just

1:32:04

getting Zapi gets a little more attention these days

1:32:06

in the locker room.

1:32:07

He's a rent but I just he's a really likable guy.