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76ers are dead sadly, sadly,

4:51

the closest six game series in the history

4:53

of the sport, the mix ended up

4:55

winning the series by one point, it was an

4:57

awesome series. Yeah, it was a great series. It

4:59

came down to the last seconds of the last,

5:01

you know, game six, obviously, we didn't get we

5:04

were robbed of a game seven, I wanted a

5:06

game seven so bad. I wanted a game. And

5:08

so bad. I know, we're not supposed to look

5:10

ahead in the playoffs. I wanted

5:12

a game seven, I wanted the Sixers truly

5:14

to win the series. I wanted

5:16

them to advance. I wanted Celtic Sixers

5:19

at some point down the

5:21

line looking ahead. And I feel like we're robbed

5:23

of that. But credit the next the next day,

5:25

well, the next and they're a very good team.

5:28

Well, coach fun to watch it.

5:30

They're they're just dogs. They just

5:33

dominate the offensive glass. They

5:35

they they are a mirror image

5:37

of their coach Jalen Brunson had

5:39

a tough first

5:41

what couple games. He then finished the last

5:43

four games of this series 39 points 47

5:45

points 40 points 41 points. Yeah,

5:49

crazy. Controlled the whole game controlled it also I

5:51

noticed that I think Tibbs might be going bald.

5:54

Have you noticed that? You just noticed that

5:56

I'm Thibodeau I think he's going I think I he's

5:58

been going for a while. It's probably reached the

6:01

time like I didn't notice until now because

6:03

he's always had a little bit of hair

6:05

on there He's got the he's got the

6:07

like couple couple strands that are Swooped

6:09

over to give you the illusion of hair. No. Yeah,

6:11

I know I've For okay seven

6:13

years. Yeah, but it's time Tom. Yeah, Doc

6:16

Rivers also. Doc Rivers both Well,

6:19

he's got the line and then

6:21

there's just nothing on top. Yeah, it's like

6:23

it's it's almost like Like

6:26

when when they basically you know when manifest destiny

6:28

and we started making states out west I think

6:30

I was gonna do we should make this

6:32

one a rectangle. Yeah, he's Utah Utah. He's

6:34

you Porter yeah,

6:36

no, but Tom Tom is I probably the goat

6:38

of it's time to come home Yeah, but it's

6:41

also never but he's not gonna do it. Yeah,

6:43

because he's that's what he he doesn't care He

6:45

cares about basketball. Yeah, that's it. If he's getting

6:47

a haircut. That's the less time that he's grinding

6:49

foam Yeah, I did see one Knicks fan. That

6:51

was really impressed This was I think

6:54

maybe over the weekend Tom

6:56

Thibodeau was pumping gas at a gas station. Somebody

6:58

took a picture and they're like, oh my god,

7:00

Tom Thibodeau gritty guy even pumps his own gas That's

7:03

wild. Yeah that man pump. Yeah,

7:05

I'm gas. That's not it's crazy. That must be a

7:07

New Jersey Knicks fan I guess so. Yeah, they don't

7:10

pump their own gas. Yeah, it was it was a

7:12

great series I wish we would had another game. I

7:14

I liked it back and forth between New York and Philly,

7:17

too I like the fact that New York is all in

7:19

it's good. It's a it's a good sports down when

7:21

they have a good team That's cooking. Oh, yeah, so

7:23

I'm I'm excited for the city of New York I

7:26

feel bad for the city of Philadelphia,

7:28

however Happy

7:30

Tobias Harris is no longer your problem day

7:33

max. Yeah max also you said

7:37

At the end of the game. This one feels different. I

7:39

agree with you, but I didn't hear your reasoning. So a

7:42

mode on us Well,

7:45

first of all, this is the first Off-season

7:47

where we have cap space and we have

7:49

some room to make some a

7:52

difference in our line on James Maybe

7:54

LeBron James man. Oh Ronnie to Villanova, which

7:57

I don't necessarily obviously

8:00

It would be nice to get Paula George and

8:02

LeBron James and even if we don't like just

8:04

using that Tobias money to go get guys like

8:06

Dante like the role players that The

8:09

Knicks had who are really good that going to get

8:11

guys like that who can surround and beat and hit

8:13

shots Which to be fair tonight

8:15

all the role players were fantastic So I can't

8:18

even really complain about that except for Tobias Harris

8:20

Yeah, zero points last game is a six error

8:22

and the Knicks role players were not good Yeah

8:24

They had five they had five points off the

8:27

bench like their starters did every so like that

8:29

was something that like going into this year Going

8:31

like going into the night. That's what that was

8:33

like the silver lining like in

8:35

the back of your head and It also

8:38

feels different like I

8:40

know Joe Ellen Bead gets a ton of

8:42

shit. He had a great series He had a

8:44

fantastic series minus all the WWE shit minus

8:46

the WWE shit Yes, yes

8:49

minus the WWE shit, but he was

8:51

really good tonight closeout game That's

8:54

a huge gripe that he's had against him in his

8:56

whole career agreed is that he's been terrible and closeout

8:58

games He was fantastic tonight 39 points Absolute

9:01

dog third quarter like really kept us in

9:03

it when maxi couldn't really do anything The

9:06

end of the game maxi kind of maxi was

9:08

the one that hit the big-end one to

9:10

tie it up And we just made

9:13

plays in this series that

9:15

were very different than past

9:17

Sixers losses a lot of other times

9:19

It was like we we choked we

9:21

choked the Celtic series We choked the Hawks

9:23

series and you go into the offseason be

9:25

like what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? like

9:29

Last year we're like we're gonna lose James Harden. We're gonna

9:31

be a worse team next year How are we gonna come

9:33

back from this? It

9:40

was like a rational Reasoned

9:42

max that we were getting sorry and you know

9:44

what and you might I don't think that we

9:47

were I don't think that Worse this year personal

9:49

growth for max because in in that moment max

9:51

wanted to jump through the glass and strangle Hank

9:53

We did a microphone cord. Yeah max took a

9:55

deep breath composed himself. I think he's on the

9:57

right track Hank Please don't do that again I

10:00

apologize, sorry Max. But

10:03

it also was a very funny you

10:05

were. Incorrect. Yes, well yes, Joel and

10:07

Bead missed 50% of the season, so yes. Technically

10:11

they won less games this year than they did the

10:13

year prior. Correct. So good job

10:15

Hank. Didn't go as far as the playoffs. Well yeah, when you're

10:18

the 7th seed and you have to go to the 2th seed

10:20

in the first round, it's not exactly the same. Right. So

10:23

maybe you get a little bit of context one

10:25

time Hank. Well maybe, you know, if you build

10:27

a team for us, someone that's not made out

10:29

of class and they wouldn't miss half the regular

10:31

season, then they could go and have a better

10:33

season. These are all fair. These are all fair.

10:35

You started to cut your mic, you keep your

10:37

mic. I actually think it's fair points on all

10:40

sides. No it's not. It's really good. Hank is

10:42

upset that I'm acting rationally right now and he wants

10:44

me to get angry and I'm not going to do it. And you're

10:46

not going to do it. We're not even going to bring up the

10:48

butt crack. The butt crack was

10:50

bad. It wasn't that bad. It

10:52

wasn't that bad. I see more of your ass on a daily basis.

10:54

Yeah. I think watching this

10:56

series, there were so many things that

10:58

were not Sixer-like that happened. I

11:01

agree with you. The way that you're, I think

11:03

you're 100% right and it's

11:05

all positive stuff. Like I think that this is

11:07

something that you can build off of. You're being,

11:10

people want you

11:12

to be sad and angry and yes there

11:15

is that part of it, but

11:17

with the cap space and the

11:19

way they fought in this series, especially

11:22

Joe OMB like having injuries, illnesses, everything

11:24

and Tyrese Maxie kind of taking that

11:26

next step of like, oh fuck, he

11:29

is a killer. I agree

11:31

with you. It

11:33

sucks that the Sixer's lost, but

11:35

you're looking to next year being like, okay, this, if

11:38

we can add this one piece, we

11:41

might be in a really good spot next year. So

11:44

a fair point and people want you to

11:46

be, you're being, you're being real. You've

11:48

always been real. Yeah, no, I don't like, this is

11:50

how I'm feeling right now. I could go on, I

11:53

like do this whole act of like getting

11:55

really angry and just like, this is how I'm

11:57

feeling right now about it. When the podcast ends

11:59

in your. You know going to sleep, you know

12:01

scrolling Twitter and you see all the videos of

12:03

Knicks fans walking out of your home stadium Yelling

12:06

fucking bead you're that is that

12:09

gonna anger you? Yeah, it sucks.

12:11

But yes. Yes that will anger me What about

12:13

that? What do you want me to say? I

12:15

was just curious. No, I was I was asking

12:17

questions just curious journey us Max

12:23

Jalen Brunson is this

12:27

Obviously it was hard for you to root against your Nova

12:29

guys, but there were moments in this

12:31

series where it felt like This

12:33

relationship with Jalen Brunson might not recover

12:35

because you were getting very angry.

12:37

He does a really good job of Being

12:40

try young of stopping in the

12:42

lane of getting contact of finishing through

12:44

contact He's not one of those guys

12:46

that one of my least favorite things

12:48

that happens the NBA is guys who

12:50

constantly look for contact But aren't trying

12:52

to actually finish the basketball. He does

12:54

both exceptionally well How

12:57

are you feeling about your Nova Knicks

13:00

in that relationship Josh Hart also just

13:02

an absolute dog? He's never seen an

13:04

offensive rebound that he didn't think you

13:07

get How are you feeling?

13:09

Um, it's I Need

13:12

like two days. Yeah, and also

13:14

like I was getting very mad about the

13:16

Brunson plays but it's

13:18

also not necessarily me getting mad at

13:20

Brunson if He is

13:23

such a he is such a savvy acts like a guy

13:25

who's played in the league for 15 years

13:28

and knows the game So well, like he

13:30

knows he's getting those calls right? He should

13:32

continue to to try

13:34

to get those calls but if

13:36

the league has made an emphasis on Taking

13:39

away that play and then just

13:41

continuing to give it to him time and time

13:43

again It was very frustrating for me to see

13:45

yeah And I agree with you that

13:47

maxi does not get the same calls that Brunson gets

13:50

Brunson I think the difference is that

13:52

Brunson he plays a little bit more

13:54

under control when he's driving He

13:56

seems like he's got his feet under him

13:58

when maxi drives sometimes He's so fast. Yeah,

14:01

he'll run and he'll just start flying through the

14:03

air and it looks like he got hit by

14:05

a car I know I think that

14:07

I think that Tyree actually kind of played me. We

14:09

don't know maybe we don't know We don't know. Maybe

14:11

but you forgot about that Matt Hank when you tell

14:13

you they were worse Kelly

14:15

Oubre might have gotten hit by a car, but he

14:18

also might not have gotten hit by a car act

14:20

I don't know and he also crashes Lambo a couple

14:22

weeks ago Schrodinger's wreck, but that one was real I

14:24

think but but max what I'm saying is like that's

14:27

something that he can work on Because

14:29

right now he's just focused on getting getting the shot

14:31

off getting to the basket He'll learn

14:33

with more time and I think he'll

14:35

eventually start to get those calls because this was a

14:37

postseason Where max he stepped up and

14:40

it's like, okay, this is an emerging

14:42

superstar right now. I think it's all it's

14:44

just a type of player too, like jail

14:46

brothers are just so good and he his

14:48

his body control and knows exactly when a

14:50

guy has is in a bad

14:52

position and Like

14:54

when we're talking to Caruso about it on Monday

14:56

his angles like if you know if you just

14:58

shift a little bit He knows okay I have

15:00

you and I also can get you in a

15:03

position where you're gonna you're gonna leave your feet

15:05

I'm gonna get a foul and I also can score I

15:08

think right I think Max you learn some of

15:10

that But I know I move on I think

15:12

that that's there's there two different games And I

15:14

don't think that he they should switch like maxi

15:17

at times. Yes looks out of

15:19

control, but he knows Exactly

15:21

the positioning of like where he is in relation

15:24

to the basket and where exactly he needs to

15:26

put the ball on the glass For it to

15:28

go in right There's so many times where like

15:30

he will he all put up a shot around

15:32

the rim and it'll have zero angle

15:34

to it But he knows exactly where to

15:37

put it and what spin to put on it for

15:39

it to go in So it's kind of like it's

15:41

a little bit of controlled chaos that I think

15:43

for maxi and I think that's part of what makes him Really

15:45

good anyway. He wasn't great tonight. He was

15:47

not he had a bad. Yeah, he was

15:50

bad He looks a little lost in the

15:52

beginning of the game. His shot was way

15:54

off Yeah, Hank actually winced when I said

15:56

emerging superstar and maxi and we forgot to

15:58

say buddy healed and buddy healed He

16:00

finally shot. He finally shot and

16:02

they went in the buddy

16:04

healed game So also campaign game camp well

16:06

every game is a campaign game per campaign.

16:09

He tried to get his revenge against Villanova

16:11

Yeah Story

16:15

in the final they brought that up in the broadcast.

16:17

Yeah Great storyline if

16:19

you win, so I imagine that there's some listeners

16:21

out there that winced as well You you do

16:24

not think that maxi is an emerging superstar. No,

16:26

no. No, he is. He's young enough. He's good.

16:28

He's got potential Maybe

16:31

get him out of Philly and he'll really you know, take the

16:33

next step. Hmm. I Mean

16:37

there's maxis better than Jalen Brown for

16:39

sure And I for

16:42

you would trade Jalen Brown for tires

16:44

immediately trade offer for right now You

16:46

have somebody Photoshop maxis face with the

16:48

soul patch on to it onto that

16:50

guy trade offer No

16:55

I did find that trade. Yeah,

16:57

Hank. I think and I think you take that trade I

17:00

think Brad sees take that trade. Yeah,

17:02

maybe with their current contracts, but not

17:05

off pure skill I mean max

17:07

is gonna get a max max contract this summer

17:09

Chill Brown to sound like the biggest contract in

17:11

NBA history and he was about to get traded.

17:13

Yeah, hmm Good

17:16

good recap of the series max

17:18

I'm proud of you Yeah,

17:20

that's just that's just genuinely how I'm feeling right

17:23

now. I'm sure some Sixers fans will be all

17:25

fake fan Why aren't you why aren't you

17:27

crying like this is just how

17:29

I'm feeling right now. Yeah different and it also feels

17:33

Like the right team won this series. I know

17:35

that you might disagree But you know, we had

17:37

the game to fiasco We also had game five

17:40

which was crazy and it feels like it all

17:42

kind of evened out and the Knicks were

17:44

just a better team Inside this series

17:46

like it just and you could say injury you

17:48

say whatever you want But I think that when

17:50

you have that result where you're like Yeah,

17:53

if they kept on playing if they played a

17:55

million seven game series I think the Knicks would

17:57

take four before the Sixers every time in

17:59

this iteration No every

18:01

time if they play the series a

18:03

million in this exact setup with in

18:05

bead hurt sick Everything

18:08

I just think the Knicks were

18:10

like a million times. They get okay. Maybe not

18:12

a million times I'm sorry. I think if it

18:14

was a 10 series series.

18:16

Yeah, I think I think the

18:18

Knicks would win I'd

18:20

say like six. I think they'd win. Yeah

18:22

out of 10. I never get yeah, I

18:24

agree. I agree with attacking a ten series

18:27

nine Was

18:30

one one they want four games before

18:32

the yeah, but like probably nine But

18:34

to say probably I do that series

18:37

a million Shut

18:39

up about a million also called a hyperbole nine

18:42

hundred thousand out of a million also a Ten

18:44

series series is a ridiculous format to be an

18:47

11 series. Do you think the right team

18:49

won this series? the The

18:53

Knicks played very hard the better team the Knicks

18:55

played very very right team won this series I'm

18:57

sorry to say it a million

18:59

times is wrong. I strike a million times from the record

19:02

When do we fucking do next played very when we

19:04

do some antics police here? It's crazy.

19:07

Thank back me up I think part of it

19:09

too. It's kind of sad to see as it's

19:11

unfolded, but I Think

19:14

Max is just you know resigned to losing these

19:16

games Yeah, he's numb. He was a little

19:18

green. Oh, he came on the podcast and

19:20

he was excited and he wanted to you

19:22

know It's over be passionate Philly fan and

19:24

now he just knows like he's

19:26

gonna lose every time he watching the gambling cave He's

19:28

like I always lose in here. Yeah,

19:30

he's in here. He wants to over.

19:33

He's happy that he doesn't have to Yeah,

19:35

it's like yeah, he wasn't gonna win the title

19:37

So it was like yeah, he wanted to win

19:40

this series, but the loss was coming eventually Yeah

19:42

The what used to be a bright sunshine a

19:44

day when he got to the playoffs it turns

19:46

out that light is a free train He did

19:48

have a bounce in his step today though. It

19:50

was nice to see him bouncing around He kind

19:52

of floats when he's got that going does it

19:54

was it was good yesterday I literally spent from

19:57

morning until I went to sleep consuming

20:00

all Tyreese maxi content. I would

20:02

listen to every podcast that talked

20:04

about him. I watched every ESPN

20:06

high like YouTube highlight and

20:08

it was like so much fun to just

20:11

be like yeah that's I mean we say

20:13

it a million times if you're sports suck

20:16

rooting for sports suck your team is not

20:18

going to win 99% of the time. Yeah.

20:20

So you got to enjoy the ride and

20:22

you got to enjoy the big wins when

20:24

they happen. Speaking of Hank

20:28

we'll talk about the Bucks Pacers but Hank you've

20:31

taken down the heat for one

20:35

easy win easy two wins. Yeah

20:37

didn't even break a sweat didn't

20:39

even break a sweat. You held

20:41

them to what under 90 points

20:43

you scored over 100 again just

20:46

demolition players for like last 10 minutes

20:48

of the game. Yeah the you're going

20:50

to be fresh. Every other team in

20:53

the East is like injured or you

20:55

know Giannis is out and Pete is

20:57

out. Well yeah

20:59

the whole Sixers team is out. No I'm that's

21:01

what I'm saying they're out of the playoffs. He

21:03

wasn't talking about injuries. Yeah Giannis is out of

21:05

the playoffs as well. Got it. You

21:08

still going to be measured.

21:11

So by game sour plus

21:15

a little cocky. I'm

21:18

positive vibes. I've always been positive vibes.

21:20

I'm just you know calm cool collected

21:22

but but I have

21:25

I have an offer for you. You're going to kill the

21:27

East what do you got because we do

21:29

need cocky Hank back. So

21:32

I'm willing to negotiate on one point.

21:36

If cocky

21:38

Hank does not make a return in this next series.

21:41

Sounds like a ransom. He's

21:43

negotiating. If he doesn't come

21:45

back. OK I'll put this way. If

21:47

cocky Hank does come back we

21:50

won't release the Hank and Drake May t-shirt.

21:55

OK. Do

21:57

you want that t-shirt out. I

22:00

mean that pictures coming out and like no no

22:02

no no no I'd like I've not updated there

22:04

is it now a Bruins flag in a lease

22:06

flag in the bad guys want to release that

22:08

and and start that I will not will come

22:10

back oh my but I know you're gonna hold

22:12

it over my head no matter what like it's

22:14

one of those things where if you're gonna do

22:16

it this way if you're just I'm not like

22:18

no we're gonna I don't keep asking to do

22:20

stuff and if you don't do it we'll release

22:22

a picture fucking release it no I want I listen

22:25

to go shoot I'm not I don't I'm throwing

22:28

the picture side I just want cocky hank

22:30

because you know I

22:32

know we all

22:35

know the Celtics are going to

22:37

the finals you know the East is a

22:39

cakewalk here we go the cakewalk it should

22:41

be they should lose one maybe two games

22:43

what did I say original yeah yeah whatever

22:46

you said seven and a half it's gonna

22:49

be it should be three the over under

22:51

should be three maybe one series next next

22:53

game which are you putting the Cavs with

22:56

a magic next yeah come on

22:58

I where where do they even

23:00

show these games yeah NBA

23:02

TV yeah like that playing the NBA

23:04

TV they're barely even televised on the

23:06

plane game yeah people like logging into

23:09

their parents YouTube account oh man kid

23:11

all right thanks back here's the thing

23:13

Hank I fully understand when like all

23:15

we want is cocky Hank for the

23:17

rest of the Eastern Conference playoffs once

23:19

you get to the final you

23:22

can be you can deal with the finals however

23:24

you want to because that's a totally different beast

23:26

and there's a lot of really good teams in

23:28

the West the East is a

23:30

joke right now the East is a joke and

23:32

as much as this fun as it is to

23:35

beat up on Philly and Philly fans in the

23:37

playoffs it has kind of gotten a little bit

23:39

I guess stale just because it's happened you know

23:41

over and they're done that yeah Knicks fans oh

23:44

they're high freshman here riding high right now they

23:46

got the whole yeah I know

23:48

shit it would be great for them to

23:50

beat Indiana probably in like seven

23:52

games and

23:54

then get all excited everyone's hyped up the garden

23:56

buzzin and then just come out and smoke yeah

23:58

we got the big out against the big

24:01

asshole. Yeah, come on. Yeah,

24:03

I'm back. I want Knicks fans chanting

24:05

we want Hank after they win game one against

24:07

Indiana. It is ridiculous that they, I think it

24:10

was after game two they said we want Boston.

24:13

Yeah, I mean I love Knicks fans worse.

24:15

I mean they're all bored, delusional, and silly.

24:17

No, but here's what's crazy about how likable

24:19

this Knicks team is, how hard they play,

24:22

is they have turned the city of New

24:24

York into an underdog. Which is

24:26

so hard to do. Knicks fans fucking suck

24:29

now. I'm talking about the team. I like your

24:31

fans. I'm talking about the Knicks, just the team,

24:34

not the fans. The team is fun

24:36

to watch, they're easy to root for. So there are

24:38

gonna be a lot of casuals. Are they? I think

24:40

so, yeah. They play hard. I don't think

24:42

New York's easy to root for in any sport. I think they're

24:45

playing the Celtics. Like people are rooting for the Knicks. Yeah,

24:48

I just like, I mean listen,

24:50

when the Knicks are good, like New York

24:52

is a basketball town first. And it's like,

24:55

they're never good. Right, but they're good now.

24:58

And, oh, not good. Yeah, he just fucking... It

25:00

must feel so good for Hank, like you're letting

25:02

it all out. Yeah, you're back. Like I see

25:04

it on your face, you're back. Well I just

25:07

had to... You are who you are. The heat,

25:09

like the heat, the heat. The heat got you

25:11

scared. I have had our number, that game two

25:13

game, and it's like, no, no, no, like we

25:16

just can't be happening. I got rattled. And then,

25:18

you know, the last two games, back

25:20

to that as well. So I said it had to

25:22

be three blows to get through the series. We did.

25:25

Our guy, Derek White, has been insane. Everything just

25:27

opens up. Yeah, the whole team has played well.

25:29

And Porzingis, don't even play

25:31

him against whatever, the Cabricks. Just

25:35

let him rest fully healthy for Knicks

25:38

or Indiana. The

25:41

Cabricks. The Mavericks

25:43

in the Cab? The Cabricks. The

25:46

Cajick. The

25:49

Cajicks. The Maviliers. The

25:53

Magiliers. It's

25:55

good to have you back. Yeah, it feels really good. You

25:57

know how like killer whales, they're dorsal fin, curly. over

26:00

when they're in captivity. That was Hank's tokate.

26:02

He's just been flown across

26:04

the country, now his dorsal fins up. Yeah,

26:06

he was a dog with his tail between

26:08

his legs. Now he's wagging his tail again,

26:11

ready to go play some ball. You're like

26:13

Miss Peaches. Yeah, mobile Miss Hank. Let me

26:15

take it. Let me kiss that tummy. Oh,

26:18

no. It's so good. It feels like a weight just

26:20

came off your shoulder because I understand the heat were

26:22

the boogie man for you. They're scary

26:24

in the fact that nothing makes sense with

26:26

the heat. But now, dude,

26:30

the magic, the Cavs. Yeah,

26:32

like you said, again, the

26:36

finals is a problem. I'm not looking

26:38

past the finals whatsoever. That's going to be a whole

26:40

different issue. We just got to hope that we

26:43

get in there well rested, poor

26:46

Zengas comes back healthy, and

26:48

the next two series in the West

26:50

are just seven games, seven games, seven games, seven

26:53

games. Yeah, you're rooting for injuries again. You're not

26:55

rooting for injuries. Absolutely want to end the record.

26:58

I want every team at full health. Okay, that's

27:00

big of you. Speaking of

27:02

full health, the Bucks are out. Giannis

27:05

never played in this series. It feels like

27:07

he was pretty close. If they got into

27:09

a game seven, he might have. Dame

27:11

came back, and the

27:13

Pacers, I mean, the Pacers played with their food

27:15

on, what was it, Tuesday night? Yeah, yeah. They

27:17

thought they could just roll out and win that

27:20

game without Dame and Giannis there. And

27:22

credits the Bucks for showing fight there, but

27:25

the Pacers are fun. They run up

27:27

and down. Hela Burton's very fun. Yeah,

27:30

they're just a fun young team. We have a lot

27:32

of that going on in the playoffs right now, and

27:34

now the Bucks, I feel like, have a lot of

27:36

questions. A lot of questions. Because the Bucks,

27:39

Giannis is still one of the

27:41

best players in the NBA, but

27:44

there's a, nah, I don't want to

27:46

die. You know what? I'm not going to get into it, because the Packers

27:48

fans are Bucks fans, and I don't, some

27:50

people could say. Wait, why

27:52

don't you text it to me, and then I'll say it.

27:54

Okay, all right. Okay. In the meantime, I'll just say that

27:56

they do have a lot of weird decisions they have to

27:58

make, because they don't know. what they're gonna

28:00

do with this new iteration of the Bucks team where

28:03

they got Dame they sacrificed defense but then Dame gets

28:05

injured, Giannis gets injured so you don't really know what

28:07

you have you don't know what pieces you truly need

28:09

next year because there wasn't a big enough sample of

28:11

work against the best teams to say where your team's

28:13

really deficient so who knows what they're gonna do they're

28:15

gonna throw a dart at the wall and figure out

28:17

whether they want to run it back whether they want

28:20

to make a big change I don't know I know

28:22

what the Bucks are gonna do but credit

28:24

to the Pacers very fun team to watch but

28:29

Hank's not worried Pat Bev, built ass,

28:31

Pat Bev ball to face emotional,

28:35

Pat Bev is an emotional guy well no he's just having

28:37

a catch I thought that was just like a cool moment

28:39

that even after they lost he was like you know sharing

28:42

a catch with one of the fans, that's a fan

28:44

for life now yeah they're like Pat Bev just giving

28:46

him a souvenir, threw me a chest pass yeah I

28:48

did Hal Burton said the reporter asked like hey I

28:51

saw you and Pat Bev exchange

28:53

words at the end like anything you want to share and

28:56

Hal Burton just goes, just came up to me and

28:58

said good series some people could ask, so if he

29:00

has something he wants to say the other thing I

29:02

wanted to say earlier about the Bucks is

29:04

that some people could argue that the Bucks championship

29:06

was a fluke because it was off the bubble

29:08

and all the teams that had to play a

29:10

long season deep into the next year got bounced

29:13

and the Nets got injured and beating Chris Paul

29:15

isn't that impressive some

29:17

people would say I disagree with

29:19

those people yeah I disagree, that was

29:21

a real championship but now the Bucks

29:23

do have some questions because it

29:26

felt like after they won their first titles like oh this

29:28

is gonna be the Bucks on top of the East for

29:30

a while now and they've had

29:32

again injuries this year were very very

29:34

important because anytime you lose Giannis and

29:37

it was last year too because Giannis

29:39

got hurt and that but two back-to-back

29:41

first round exits for this Bucks team

29:44

has a lot of people being like well what's going

29:46

on here is Doc the answer? I

29:48

don't know see that's another thing we don't know

29:51

that's probably not I'm gonna say probably he's not

29:53

the answer with Giannis you always are gonna be

29:55

contending but You

29:57

went all in with this Dean Lillard thing. Again,

30:00

The injuries are not demented, diminishing

30:02

the injuries, but. If. You're bucks

30:04

and you're definitely did. Do they have some big

30:07

questions that are com so that's our central or

30:09

if you're the bucks Gm do you go based

30:11

off the sample size you had of Dame and

30:13

yon is playing together this year and what that

30:15

looked like and then use that to figure out

30:17

where you gonna do in the off season the

30:19

movie have to make. While I mean because like

30:21

we didn't get to see them in the playoffs

30:23

together. And so you don't know

30:25

how they stack up against the best

30:27

teams when you guys are both competing

30:30

your hardest right? or like it's a

30:32

buchanan have to take a guess it

30:34

may. also were they had a a

30:36

disappointing weird year and they still were

30:38

playing for the two seed in the

30:40

last week of the season. Certified put

30:42

into perspective, are still going to be

30:44

okay with the on as as he

30:46

sat fucking good early his vast wages

30:48

Reggie Miller yeah lucrative pace is why

30:50

we did. I think that's our first

30:52

Ah series win in like ten. Years.

30:55

I. Think that's I think that's ah,

30:57

recall owls first win since he

30:59

won it all. With. The

31:01

mass. Allowed. Ensure. A.

31:03

Looks out of that's been it's been a minute.

31:06

Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's gonna be a lot of

31:08

Reggie Miller talk. Hanks, right? Yeah, Pacers, Next Pacers.

31:10

Next You think that Gottlieb was ever like Reggie

31:12

Miller? It needs to fix a mechanical flaw in

31:14

his shooting. Never going to be

31:16

good. I actually thought to Gottlieb. Got.

31:19

And fair sheet for that. Was.

31:21

That he's the easiest target. Average? yeah,

31:24

but. Yeah. Anyone.

31:26

Else the dog Gottlieb. So the if you

31:28

miss into gottlieb basically was like Ah Kim

31:30

Clarke shot. Is. Bad mechanics, do

31:33

you think they'll try to work on

31:35

that? Doug Gottlieb is

31:37

gonna get shit on no matter what. Every

31:40

single professional athlete works on

31:42

their mechanics constantly. Tom Brady,

31:44

Like constantly is working was working

31:46

on projects. Tiger Woods is changes

31:48

swing three times as that question

31:50

isn't crazy. There. Might be a

31:52

better way. A more efficient way to shoot

31:54

says he going right for Caitlin Park. That's

31:57

it's. nothing. she's bad as it incredible others.

32:00

Image Tire sending a swingers was taught him

32:02

up. I think the implication every time was

32:04

that it was broken. Yeah, it's not

32:06

run a broken at ease at least.

32:08

should have phrased better live there, could

32:10

maybe be away for her to become

32:12

even better have issued Yeah Dhabi great

32:14

when for night and like every every

32:16

single professional athlete works on stuff like

32:18

that constantly. Sauna. Your I've

32:21

I recall his first series win

32:23

since when eleven overs or runs

32:25

first year. While hit.

32:28

Wait, No, I am scenery now. He

32:30

wants to play ah series in Twenty

32:32

Twenty One. Check that double

32:34

to oh no maybe not. I see. So

32:36

yeah, we last year. You're right. I see.

32:39

Yes. Six First round exit unrein. Yes,

32:41

Six Misplaced. Yeah. some. Wow. That's a

32:43

long time for really good coach. Ah

32:46

see accredited his. They're fun. They're young

32:48

to fun. They run. Of. Of

32:50

Washington's around and you miss shots on

32:52

them? Your fox? Ah, I'm. Also.

32:56

Clippers. Mavericks. Luca.

32:59

And credible caped Kyrie Greg Incredible Game

33:01

Attic we called those. Yes,

33:04

Credits us for saying that Kyrie Irving

33:06

and Lugar donde since we're gonna play

33:08

well we know ball with know we

33:10

know ball and then of the clippers

33:12

are stuck again just being like we

33:14

had the we had the opposite James

33:16

Harden. that one we I thought maybe

33:18

the extra rest but nope nope you're

33:20

in own batters Classic James Classic James

33:22

Harden I think Nick right had a

33:24

stat that he has the most games

33:26

in playoff history with ten shots in

33:28

under ten points and it's like yeah

33:30

it's like. Thirty. Of at this

33:32

is gonna be a Legacy game and corner right now

33:35

this is James Harden Legacy game and by that I

33:37

mean. I hope he scores lessons

33:39

and police not. He added the i think

33:41

declare i think the Mazur gonna win the

33:43

series if Luke is so good. If James

33:45

Horn goes out there and and drops eight

33:47

points that's the medicine as the greatest playoff

33:49

not care of all time. Yeah. That.

33:52

That one clip of Kyrie just

33:54

like. Cruising. Through every

33:56

one. So easy like he. It.

33:59

was so crazy to watch because Kyrie is such

34:01

a good ball handler. His body

34:03

was somehow out of control but his ball

34:05

handling stayed in control the whole time. Yeah,

34:07

he knows exactly what he was doing. He

34:10

processes things at such a fast speed. It's

34:13

insane. If you watch him operate in real time,

34:15

you have no idea how he gets the

34:17

ball in the basket. It

34:19

was so chaotic and it still

34:21

worked. I love watching Luca. He

34:24

does lead the league in bitching at everyone

34:27

but that's just part of his game. I think he's

34:29

one of those guys that needs to yell at fans

34:31

and refs to get going. He'll yell at the ref

34:33

after he makes a wide open three pointer. I try

34:35

to figure out what he's screaming about. I can't figure

34:38

it out. He likes to have it

34:40

be him against the world. That

34:42

game 6 and also

34:44

the magic Cavaliers game

34:47

6 is Friday night.

34:50

We'll see if we can finish those

34:52

series. It does suck that we're getting to

34:54

Kentucky Derby Saturday. We're only going to

34:56

have one NBA game. Yeah, that's tough. It's

34:59

for us. We have the nuggets

35:01

and the wolves playing your game

35:04

one. Hockey game seven. Hockey game

35:06

seven. Oh, Hank, should we talk

35:08

about it? Yeah. Have a

35:10

conversation. Bruins. The Bruins were up 3-1 in the series,

35:12

huh? Then Austin Matthews

35:14

not playing. What happened

35:16

last year in the first round? What were you

35:18

guys up? The Bruins were up 3-1, I

35:21

believe. Yeah, fights

35:23

sweeted out the stat that they're 0-6

35:25

in their last closeout, six closeout games.

35:27

But the Leafs are 2-9 in their

35:29

last 11 game sevens on the road.

35:31

Right, but that means they've won twice. Yeah.

35:35

Correct. 0-6? 0-6

35:37

in two years is almost impossible. Yeah, pretty

35:39

crazy hard. That's really crazy.

35:41

Shocking. And with Austin Matthews out. I

35:44

think the Bruins are going to win this game. Me too. Because

35:46

I think... are you in the house? I'll be in the building.

35:48

Oh, wow. So there you go.

35:51

That's all you need. Hank, did

35:53

you want the Bruins to win this game? Of

35:55

course not. Good question. Good question, Max. I guess I want the

35:57

Bruins to win. I Heard a rumor. I Heard a rumor that

35:59

before the game... It started Hanks up with

36:01

her know about went away they are

36:03

being a journalist you know he's also

36:05

the rabbit got the gun body. Ah

36:09

crap, Max's up your ass. Your

36:11

buddies power got time to zero

36:13

in this six years of his

36:15

Phillies are best even that Major

36:17

Leagues raining. So. That affects.

36:20

There's a rumor when he won eleven. Hold

36:22

on. Hold. On to have to add

36:24

around. I just wanna. Because.

36:26

This is the zags dream scenario. He's

36:28

got celebrates and dollars delays Fraser Centers

36:31

for? Yeah. Just so we're clear what

36:33

divisional in a different also in of

36:35

different Bally's division. Yeah, they're twenty and

36:37

not. We have more wins and more

36:40

losses. So different. That

36:42

about baseball. Ah

36:44

so hey, there was a

36:46

rumor. That. Before this game started

36:49

started by masses like how wait wait wait know

36:51

it. Can I get this? Before.

36:53

The game started. Hague said. Would

36:56

it be wrong if I wanted to bruins

36:58

to lose this game so I could go

37:00

to game seven? Fact.

37:03

Or fiction. That. I tried

37:05

to make sense for sec please. Tell.

37:08

Users asking questions at all I was doing.

37:10

yeah. And he didn't say

37:12

he was really said would it be wrong

37:14

We were at Houghton will do a group

37:16

of fans and there was ah. I.

37:19

Said they can internet forget who was

37:21

around outright tests I what his sports

37:23

fandom was like right? was kind of

37:25

like of attack with psych. Pop.

37:27

Quiz as an intern around, so could you add

37:29

to that question? Of course

37:31

it's bad. Yeah, it's horrible. You never job.

37:33

Right now. You're upset that you're going to

37:36

go to game seven on. Saturday.

37:39

Yeah. I was when I was reader for the Bruins win

37:41

that game. was upset when they loss has upset when will

37:43

he scored. Ah, Die what

37:46

I'd do I wish we were live for

37:48

when that the lead smile as i can

37:50

go see my like sorry know. I'm

37:54

using our. Exile.

37:56

Exile Exile Or dollars Your natural

37:58

reaction was like, yes, No. What

38:01

would you say? Oh no. No. No.

38:05

Uh... I was the only one watching

38:07

the game. Shut up, Max. You're watching, like, everyone else

38:09

was focused on the next six. I was actually watching

38:11

the Bruins. Locked in. Yeah, you were locked in

38:13

to see if you could go to game seven. That

38:16

has nothing to do with it. That's just a coincidence. It's

38:18

a coincidence, Max. Like, I will

38:21

be in Boston. It is a Saturday night. We do

38:23

have a great partner at Game Time that will be

38:25

helping me get in the game. I'm going to promote

38:27

the company. Hank, you're a company man. This is a

38:29

real thing. This is a work trade. This is a

38:32

work trade. Hank always does the company first. When

38:34

did you first inquire about getting tickets to games? After

38:36

the game. Really? Confirmed.

38:39

I'll show you the text. After the point

38:41

one second that was put back on the

38:43

clock? After well after. Okay. Hmm. Interesting.

38:47

Um, okay. Only... I had one other thing. Go

38:50

look up your text. 944 PM. Okay.

38:53

The game ended at 947 PM. No,

38:56

it didn't. That just made that up. I'm

38:58

looking at it right now. Where? Let

39:00

me see your computer. Computer froze. Hold on. I can

39:02

find it. Okay. Max,

39:05

can you look it up? Yeah, let

39:07

me pull this up real quick. Okay. Um...

39:11

947 PM, yeah. Mmm.

39:15

So you might have inquired a little early there? Nope.

39:18

There, uh, Joseph Wohl was awesome.

39:21

Their goalie was so good. Yeah, they took him

39:23

like a period to even get a shot

39:25

on goal, but... They played well.

39:28

Uh, let's see. Let's see.

39:31

Let's see, Hank. Game

39:33

seven. Final.

39:36

The Leafs posted a final at 945, so

39:39

he might be right. Of

39:43

course I'm right. Wow, Hank. He's...

39:46

I think he's... I think he's not guilty. Thank

39:49

you. Yeah. So

39:51

that was the first thing on his mind. Yes,

39:53

that's true. Good point. Good point. He couldn't have

39:56

done it faster. But wait, Hank. What time did

39:58

you say, Hank? You're absolutely right, Max. You could

40:00

have done it faster. I think Hank said 944. He said

40:02

9- Oh, I thought you said 947. What time

40:04

did you say 947? No, no, I said 947. Hank said 944.

40:07

What time did you say the text? Oh,

40:10

so you're guilty. Yeah, you guys are guilty. Guilty.

40:13

Guilty. The game was over. They

40:15

had to make a fucking whole ass graphic and

40:17

get it. You scored a goal. That's

40:20

when the Bruins were rolling 945? No, they scored

40:22

a goal. At 945? You're

40:24

going to make me do my work? No, I'm

40:26

on it right now. Right now, Boston Bruins 944. No,

40:29

that's your PFT's line. I swear to God,

40:31

look at- Because there was 0.1

40:33

seconds left in the game. Yeah, yeah, the game

40:35

wasn't over. The game wasn't over. Big Cat right

40:37

there. All right. Yep, 944. Bruins

40:41

tweeted out, Hank- Yeah, no. The liar.

40:43

The liar. No, it was an ass. The

40:46

liar. I

40:49

waited till- whatever. Okay,

40:51

so Hank's very excited that the Bruins are going to game

40:53

seven. Hank's very excited. He's

40:56

going to game seven. I'm excited to have

40:58

a chance to advance. Bruins going

41:00

to play well. Reverse

41:02

the curse. Oh, Max, I have one last thing to give anything

41:04

to say to Jerry O'Connell. He's all up

41:06

your ass. Yeah, no, it was a master class

41:08

that he put on me tonight and I

41:11

didn't really know how to respond to it. I

41:14

didn't know he was an X fan, number one, but

41:17

he's been on my ass and congrats to

41:19

him. He graduated- Here's your loss, real say,

41:21

O'Connell. Just me and you, friction

41:23

boy. Just

41:25

me and you, friction boy. What

41:29

do you think? Friction boy? Friction boy.

41:31

Wait, we got this one. It's my favorite.

41:34

James Bay! Put

41:36

your legs back, James! He

41:42

also- he also- Jerry is so

41:44

committed to this show. He even

41:47

used Max's Little League pronunciation of his

41:49

name in this one. Yeah,

41:53

yeah! Maxie Delankey!

41:56

Little Youth's mom! Little

41:59

Youth's mom! Using it as one

42:01

word is also taking the key to a new level.

42:05

People are also tweeting at me that on

42:07

his talk show today that he was talking

42:09

shit on. Good. I

42:11

never saw the clip of it. I'm imagining

42:14

his fans that go to see Jerry Hillcottle's

42:16

talk show. He's taking like 30

42:18

seconds to just rub one in Max DeLente's

42:20

face. And they're just so

42:22

confused. But Jerry's loving every second. Yeah, if

42:24

someone could find that clip. Are you small?

42:27

Let's just give... Hank, that's what you have

42:29

to look forward to. You

42:31

versus Jerry. Oh my God. Yeah. Jerry

42:34

be all up your ass. Well, they gotta get past the Pacers. We might have to

42:36

get him out of here. Yeah. You

42:39

gotta get past whoever you're playing. The Khadjic. I

42:42

think if you combine the teams, you probably win. Yeah. This

42:46

cocky hanko just building them up, building them up. Build them up.

42:49

All right, he's not picking up. He's

42:51

probably just... He's probably running around

42:53

the streets. All right. We'll have him on

42:55

though if you play the... If it's self-explanation

42:58

next. Last thing I had... Dion

43:01

Sanders should probably stay off Twitter. Yeah.

43:05

The thing about Dion is when

43:08

Colorado's winning and everything's

43:10

working, he's super entertaining. He

43:12

gets people talking about college football, which is good.

43:14

Yeah. New rivalries forming. That's

43:17

good. He also

43:19

has been going after former players on Twitter. Not great.

43:21

Which is not a good look for a coach. And

43:23

then what I didn't like is he's now... He'll

43:29

backtrack his way into using

43:31

a quote from the Bible. That then

43:34

also justifies why he's hating on this

43:36

19-year-old kid. Right. Dion

43:39

wants to be treated like a player

43:41

sometimes. Right. Like the man. You've

43:44

got the player mentality. You've got the player mentality. But you

43:46

also have to be a good

43:48

person to the players that you come across that

43:50

you might not even... Like he inherited that guy

43:52

as the guy that's on the team. And then

43:54

to be cyberbullying him

43:56

over his stats and stuff like that.

43:59

Yeah. should probably stop doing that. Yeah,

44:01

I mean we are Dionne fans, people

44:03

know that, we're biased in that respect, so

44:06

when we say that he's going too far and

44:08

should stay off Twitter, you know that he's gone

44:11

probably well too far to stay off Twitter.

44:13

Way too far. Just one of

44:15

those things like, what are you winning right

44:17

here, Dionne? There's nothing to

44:20

gain from doing that. I understand

44:22

defending your son, but other

44:24

than that, let your sons do it. Like

44:27

I think Shidora Sanders is like, well actually that was

44:29

a little weird too. Because he

44:31

was talking, because he's the coach's son and he's

44:33

talking shit to a former player, and I'm like,

44:36

oh you must have been mid because we didn't

44:38

even remember you. And that seems like it's stupid

44:40

too. Making it clear that the two of them

44:43

had talked about this guy. Right, right. Yeah.

44:46

So yeah. And that kid, he was one of the guys that

44:48

tried to stick around. Yeah. Tried to like

44:50

adapt to Dionne's system, the new regime, and he

44:52

tried to make it work and apparently Dionne just

44:54

wouldn't give him the time of day, which that's

44:57

also reality in college football. If the

44:59

coach doesn't think that you're good enough to play, you're

45:01

going to be treated like less than nothing. Might as

45:03

well be invisible. But then to have

45:05

that same coach dunk on you online later,

45:08

that seems like it should be

45:10

beneath any college coach. Yeah, he

45:12

should stay off Twitter and

45:15

maybe learn the lesson that it's not

45:17

nothing, you don't win on this. You

45:20

lose, you lost. He lost in that exchange.

45:23

All right, anything else? Oh, Justin Fields

45:25

might return kicks. Yeah. I'm

45:27

pulling in somewhere, I was just smiling. I told you. I

45:30

hope he doesn't. Maybe Lamar? He would be electric,

45:33

but I hope he doesn't, because why would he ever do

45:35

that? I think, I don't know, maybe. He's not. Just

45:37

get the ball in his hands. I like watching him

45:39

run. He's not, I

45:42

still think he's going to play at some point

45:44

this season for the Steelers, but even if he

45:46

doesn't play, being a backup

45:49

and being like, I'm not returning kicks, because

45:51

what will happen is Justin Fields will return

45:53

a touchdown and then he will be boxing

45:55

to return kicks. I think it's going to be the quarter L

45:57

Patterson. Yeah. So, the one thing I'm looking

45:59

for, forward to a lot about this. Actually, there's

46:01

a lot of things I'm looking forward to about this

46:04

NFL season. I wish it started tomorrow. I agree. I'm

46:06

starting to get the itch. I can't wait for it.

46:08

I haven't been at Me Too. Been this exciting in

46:10

years for the NFL season. I'm starting to get really

46:12

close to sending out my first. I can't wait for

46:15

college football tweet. It has to come organic. It has

46:17

to be when I'm just daydreaming and just thinking like,

46:19

damn, I can't wait for this. So one thing I'm

46:21

really excited about though is with the new kickoff rules,

46:24

watching teams absolutely screw it up. Oh, yeah. And

46:27

like everyone's going to think that they've got a

46:29

new system, a new way that they can take

46:31

advantage of the new kickoff, and half

46:33

of them are going to feel hilariously. Yes.

46:36

And that's what I'm looking forward to watching. Yes. It's going to

46:38

be great. Some coach thinking that it's cooking. It's going to be

46:40

great. Yeah. Okay. Happy we

46:42

got Cocky Hank back. Happy

46:46

Max is dealing with this somewhat

46:49

well. I'm happy Max isn't sad. Are

46:52

you sad? I mean, I'm definitely sad. We've

46:55

seen sad Max before, and this pales in

46:57

comparison. It's different. It's different.

46:59

Yeah. And I'm happy. Max

47:01

earlier was like, would it be bad if I wanted a sixer to lose this

47:03

or this would be over? Did you say

47:06

that's true? That is not true. What

47:08

time did you say that? I think you did say at one point,

47:10

I just want to get it. I just want to be out of

47:12

here. I was talking about

47:14

your like the physical space. Oh, occupying.

47:16

Yeah, he was like, probably I hate

47:18

that gambling game. I will

47:20

never have a win in that way. I don't want to

47:23

be here anymore. You have had wins there. Name

47:25

one. Oh, that's a good

47:27

question. Oh, no, no, no. That

47:30

was the worst. That was the

47:32

worst. That was the worst win. That was seven point

47:34

favor. That was the worst win in

47:36

the history of wins. Oh, you beat the Cowboys

47:38

in there. That's the only game. I had one

47:40

game in my mind. That's the only one. What

47:43

about when you guys took a

47:45

lead in the NLCS? Lost.

47:48

Yeah, but you had wins. Not

47:51

in that room. To get there. Yeah,

47:54

actually, that room's been really bad because I was even

47:56

thinking like the series. The Cowboys

47:58

game's the only one. The Braves was

48:01

the old office. Yeah big Dom

48:03

game. They lost that game

48:05

by a lot. Oh, I forgot what a

48:07

lot Alright, let's not play that remember that

48:09

was the Niners Evo just run I

48:14

thought they won the big Dom game. Yeah,

48:16

really good interviews coming up Yeah We have

48:18

so Randy Moss talking Kentucky Derby Keith Yandell

48:20

one of our also good friends talking some

48:22

puck and then we have a Weird

48:26

brainstorming session for fire fest that I thought was very

48:28

yeah, it takes a lot of a lot of twists

48:30

and turns We need some help. We need I need

48:32

some help with my words and I also we need

48:34

some help on an idea and How

48:36

to make it funny Let's kick

48:38

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48:40

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Okay, here he is Randy Moss. Okay, we now welcome on a very,

51:00

very, very, very special guest. He's one

51:13

of our favorite guests long

51:15

time. I mean, we say this

51:17

every year Randy Moss, but uh,

51:19

the, I think

51:21

you were probably the first three months

51:23

of pardon my take history. You had,

51:26

you had no obligation to give two idiots

51:29

a shot and hop on this podcast as

51:31

it was kind of a bit at first

51:33

and then we became friends. But I can't

51:35

tell you every single time we get to

51:37

Kentucky Derby week, the amount of people

51:39

who tweet me being like Randy Moss, right?

51:41

Randy Moss, Randy Moss. So it's

51:44

great to see you. It is Kentucky Derby week.

51:47

Um, I have a question that's

51:49

not horse related first. Superbowl

51:51

week. Did boomer and Gio try

51:53

to steal our bit? Do they steal our bit?

51:58

Boomer and Gio. had no damn

52:00

idea who they were getting, right? I was

52:03

there to help, you know, promote horse racing.

52:05

They asked me to come and all that.

52:08

You know, they thought they were getting Randy Moss

52:10

the football player. And who wouldn't want Randy Moss

52:12

the football player on Super Bowl week as opposed

52:15

to, you know, the OG white ball Randy Moss?

52:17

Yep. But yeah, it

52:19

was, it went viral. It went viral

52:21

that week when they realized at

52:23

the last minute who they were going

52:25

to be getting. So it was pretty funny.

52:28

That wasn't a bit then. I wasn't sure. I

52:30

wasn't sure. We're just going to do the yeah,

52:32

because I think the first time we had you

52:35

on, we might have asked you only like Minnesota

52:37

Vikings and New England Patriots related questions. But

52:40

yeah, it's good to have you back on. The

52:42

very first time I was on, we played

52:44

race source or porn star. Yeah,

52:46

you were really good at that game. You're really good

52:48

at that. Yeah, you knew your porn star. Yeah, you're

52:50

a porn guy. And after

52:53

that, my wife told me you will never

52:55

go on part of my game again. And

52:59

now she's a big fan. Oh, you want

53:01

her over. It's a beautiful story. It's a

53:04

beautiful story. All right. So it is Kentucky

53:06

Derby week. Let's start with the

53:08

guy that looms over everything. Every single

53:10

Kentucky Derby week. It is Bob Baffert

53:12

who will not be involved. His

53:15

horse, Muth, who probably would be,

53:17

you could tell me would be very much

53:19

in the running to win this race will

53:22

not be there. What's

53:24

the latest? I read a story last night

53:26

that essentially was like Bob Baffert just isn't

53:28

sorry enough. So

53:31

you tell us from your angle

53:33

what's happening and what will

53:35

happen going forward and is there that

53:37

feeling that not an asterisk but there's

53:40

a horse out there, a three year old that

53:42

could compete in this race that won't be in

53:44

this race. So Bob Baffert

53:46

had a couple of horses that would have been

53:48

in this year's Kentucky Derby in

53:50

a normal year. Muth won the Arkansas

53:52

Derby. He probably would be the third

53:54

betting choice, the third favorite if he

53:56

were here. And he also had another

53:58

horse who had finished. second imagination

54:01

in the Santa Anita version. So you would

54:03

have had two horses kind of

54:05

front and center. I mean, we know, we all

54:07

know that because of the Medina

54:09

spirit disqualification in 2021

54:12

Churchill Downs ruled him off for two years. Right.

54:15

That was the deal. Two years. If

54:18

he had no more medication violations after

54:20

two years, then he'd be welcomed back

54:22

to Churchill Downs. And then last July,

54:24

suddenly kind of out of the blue,

54:27

Churchill Downs said that they were extending the

54:30

band from two years to three years as

54:32

a justification. They cited a comment

54:35

that Baffert made on

54:37

Fox in an interview saying that they had to

54:39

do anything over again. He would

54:41

do everything exactly the same. And that apparently

54:44

angered Churchill Downs. In my

54:46

opinion, the reason

54:48

why Churchill Downs extended the band,

54:51

they didn't tell me this, I'm reading the tea leaves here.

54:54

This is the 150th anniversary of the

54:56

Kentucky Derby. It means a

54:59

lot to Churchill Downs,

55:01

this 150th anniversary. I

55:03

think they realized that if Baffert had

55:06

come back to the Kentucky Derby this

55:08

year, he would be one

55:11

of the main stories. Bob

55:13

Baffert being back would almost

55:15

overshadow the storyline of the

55:17

150th Kentucky Derby. And

55:20

I didn't think that after all was said

55:22

and done, they wanted that to

55:24

happen. And I don't

55:26

think they wanted the possibility of Bill

55:29

Carstangen, the head of Churchill Downs, presenting

55:32

the trophy for the 150th Derby to

55:34

Bob Baffert in

55:36

the winner's circle. Okay, that makes sense

55:39

in theory. But if you're looking at it from a

55:41

perspective of what's going to get the most buzz going,

55:43

what's going to get the most people to tune in,

55:45

what's going to be the biggest story, you

55:48

could argue that Bob Baffert coming back to Bad

55:50

Boy Returns, it's like a wrestling storyline, Bad Boy

55:52

Returns, 150th anniversary, if he does happen to

55:56

win, that feels like that is a win for

55:58

horse racing overall, if that happens. I

56:01

think you're absolutely right and what wins for horse

56:03

racing in my opinion is the best horses being

56:05

in the Kentucky Derby and this year All the

56:07

best three-year-olds are not in the Kentucky Derby. So

56:10

that's where I come down on it

56:12

Also, I also love the idea that

56:14

this dynamic between Bob Baffert and Churchill Downs

56:16

is just exactly that at the tension

56:18

scene in Breakfast Club Yeah, where he just

56:21

says one thing like another yeah, I'll

56:23

say sorry and really mean it and

56:25

then he'd be back Yeah,

56:27

and now that this thing was in court

56:29

up until like a week ago because the

56:31

owner of move I Challenged

56:34

the extra year suspension not Baffert.

56:36

It was Amherst Zidane who owned

56:39

Medina Spirit and he also owned

56:41

move Amherst Zidane pointed

56:43

out that He

56:45

played he took Churchill Downs at

56:47

their word That if

56:49

Baffert had no more medication violations that they

56:51

would be they would welcome me back after

56:53

two years And he said I went

56:55

out bought ten million dollars worth of horses on

56:58

the assumption that Baffert would get to train my horses

57:00

If they made it to the Kentucky Derby and then

57:03

I got the rug pulled out from underneath them. Yeah

57:06

But he filed that lawsuit very very

57:08

late in the game just four weeks

57:11

Before the Derby right after the horse won the

57:13

Arkansas Derby. So yeah, I think the timing is

57:15

what did him in more than anything Yeah So

57:18

it does lead us to an interesting Kentucky

57:20

Derby Like you said not all the best

57:22

three-year-olds are in this race and I was

57:24

looking at it last night Fierceness

57:27

who is going to be the favorite on

57:29

Kentucky. He's favorite right now Micro poli

57:31

shout out micro poli our guy who

57:34

helped us get Rick patino on the podcast, but

57:36

fierceness looks like He's

57:39

a class above everyone else in terms of speed

57:41

like the speed ratings for a lot of these

57:43

horses are just not What

57:45

it doesn't look like what a Kentucky

57:47

Derby should normally look like is

57:49

this a situation? Where fierceness like

57:51

you have to include them in your bets

57:54

and this horse is just better than everyone

57:56

else. I If

57:58

all the horses run their best

58:00

races. Fierceness wins the

58:02

race hands down. Calent wise,

58:05

Fierceness is probably three or four

58:07

lengths better than any other horse in

58:09

the field. But right now

58:11

you mentioned that Fierceness is the favorite. I hope

58:13

this music's not too loud behind me. I'm in

58:15

the new paddock by the way. No, you're good.

58:17

It looks good. Right? See? Yeah.

58:19

I always want to give you guys up close

58:22

and personal. Like remember when I got under the

58:24

saw webbing at the Bretonys and the ones that

58:26

he made. Yeah. Yeah. So that's why

58:28

I'm in the paddock. Anyway, back to

58:31

Fierceness. The only drawback

58:34

about Fierceness who is right now

58:36

an eight to five favorite is

58:38

that he's had a couple of races on his form

58:41

where he was terrible. The

58:44

Holy Ball, the race before the Florida Derby,

58:46

he had a little bit of an excuse

58:48

but he still underperformed. And

58:51

you know, there's that inconsistency

58:53

in his form that

58:56

is making a lot of people look

58:58

elsewhere especially at the eight to five

59:00

price. And he's running 17th

59:02

in the 17th position, right? Yeah,

59:05

but that's good. He's

59:07

a speed horse and he

59:09

doesn't want to be down inside where his hand

59:11

is forced. So if they

59:14

could have picked their post position, they would have

59:16

picked 16, 17, 18, somewhere

59:19

out there. So that worked perfectly for them. He's

59:21

had a scratch. He was 17 now he's 16.

59:25

There may even be more another scratch who

59:27

knows but they wanted to be outside. So

59:29

that's a good thing. But if you it

59:31

on paper and I know

59:33

you know the Kentucky Derby, you don't often get

59:36

to say this on paper, it

59:38

looks essentially like a two horse race

59:40

between Fierceness and a horse belt Sierra

59:42

Leone. And right now Sierra Leone is

59:44

six to one. Right. So

59:47

I think Fierceness is the most

59:49

likely winner. But the

59:51

discrepancy of eight to five and six to

59:54

one is very, very

59:56

tempting, given Fierceness is inconsistency

59:58

from the past. Alright, so you

1:00:01

mentioned, so he's gonna be running out of 16,

1:00:03

but he will be wearing the 17 silks,

1:00:06

right? Correct, correct. 17 saddle-town

1:00:08

number. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. Uh,

1:00:11

yes, 17 saddle-town number, correct. Okay,

1:00:13

so we are superstitious guys, and you probably

1:00:15

know this as well. 17,

1:00:18

the number 17 has never won the Kentucky

1:00:20

Derby. 44 years, never won the Kentucky Derby.

1:00:22

How does that not play into this, Randy?

1:00:25

It has nothing whatsoever to do with it.

1:00:27

Come on, it has to be something, it

1:00:29

has to be something. It's,

1:00:31

it's just coincidence. 18 is

1:00:33

one, right? 18 would be worse than

1:00:35

17. 19 is one, 20 is one.

1:00:39

Exactly. Rich Strike wore, what, 21 or 22? I think he

1:00:41

wore 21. You're

1:00:43

proving why 17 is unlucky. Yeah, you're making our

1:00:46

point for us. 44 is not a, 44 years

1:00:49

is not a coincidence. You

1:00:51

guys are gonna, or hit me on jinxes? Yeah,

1:00:53

yeah. I mean, the fact that he's wearing

1:00:55

17, but he's, he's racing out of 16th position, that's

1:01:01

not going to be a win for 17 though, even

1:01:03

if he does win, right? Officially in the record books,

1:01:05

we're still going to say the 17th position

1:01:07

has not won. Yeah. Okay, well, how

1:01:09

about looking at it this way? All right, 15 is

1:01:11

one, 16 is one, 18, 19, 20. 17 is badly overdue. Oh,

1:01:17

I don't know. I don't know about that. You're trying to

1:01:19

time the market. Yeah, I don't know about that. Advisors

1:01:21

say not to do that. I think that's a bad

1:01:23

idea. I think it's a bad idea. All

1:01:25

right, so Sierra Leone, the second

1:01:28

favorite, talk

1:01:30

to me about this horse, because this horse, I watched

1:01:32

a couple of races that

1:01:34

this horse has run, and the

1:01:37

MO for this horse is going to slow

1:01:39

start, finish strong, which

1:01:41

you don't, isn't always easy when it comes to Kentucky

1:01:44

Derby with the amount of horses in the field and

1:01:46

the traffic that could be there. So are you concerned

1:01:48

at all about the fact that traffic is going to

1:01:50

be a problem? I think it might be a little

1:01:52

muddy. You never want the mud in your eyes. Are

1:01:55

you worried at all about Sierra Leone coming

1:01:58

from the back in a... huge,

1:02:00

huge field? No. Okay.

1:02:03

No, I'm not worried at all. And, and here's

1:02:05

why. The first

1:02:08

of all, if you go back historically and you look

1:02:10

at the Kentucky derbies, I go back and look at

1:02:12

the last 30 years, if you have access to the

1:02:14

charts and things like that, and this

1:02:16

whole mantra that has developed over the

1:02:18

years of the 20 horse

1:02:21

field in the Kentucky Derby, making it

1:02:23

a rough race, making it a crap

1:02:25

shoot, the best horse doesn't win. They

1:02:27

get stopped in traffic. It's

1:02:29

all BS probably 70 to

1:02:31

80% of the horses that win

1:02:34

the Kentucky Derby. If you go back and look at the

1:02:36

charts and you ask yourself in hindsight,

1:02:39

was this horse the best horse

1:02:41

in the race? Right. Looking back

1:02:43

in hindsight, it's all,

1:02:45

it's usually yes. Despite the

1:02:47

traffic, despite the running style part

1:02:50

two to that, there should

1:02:52

be a fairly contentious early pace. It

1:02:54

almost always is in the Kentucky Derby.

1:02:56

And when that happens, it

1:02:59

spreads out the horses, right? They're going

1:03:01

kind of fast early. So it creates

1:03:03

more gaps all the way back to

1:03:05

the last place horse. There's more of a

1:03:07

gap between first and last when the pace is kind

1:03:10

of fast. And that means a

1:03:12

little less traffic for the come from behinders

1:03:14

back there to have to navigate through to

1:03:16

get to the front. And you've also got,

1:03:18

you know, 20 of

1:03:20

the best jockeys in the United States and some

1:03:22

of the best jockeys in the world. So

1:03:25

typically they can, they can find a way

1:03:27

to do it. The cream usually rises to

1:03:29

the top. So in terms of the jockeys,

1:03:32

what's one jockey that you're looking at this

1:03:34

week that will get the most out of

1:03:36

their horse and provide good value maybe on,

1:03:38

on whatever the betting line closes at. There

1:03:40

might be a long shot, but they've got a great jockey that

1:03:42

might work their way into the top three. Never,

1:03:45

ever, ever handicapped the jockeys in

1:03:47

the Kentucky Derby. Because

1:03:49

they're all good. They're

1:03:52

all good. The difference between Joel

1:03:54

Rosario and I read our

1:03:56

teams and Tyler Gaffling at

1:03:59

home and Jose. A or T's

1:04:01

and Flavian Pratt is so

1:04:03

minute, right? There may be

1:04:05

a very slight difference in between

1:04:08

one and the other if they get into

1:04:10

a particular situation in the race. But you

1:04:12

never can predict if that situation is going

1:04:14

to transpire or not. They're

1:04:16

so evenly matched that you just

1:04:18

have to go into it with the assumption that you're

1:04:20

going to get a good ride or she's going to

1:04:23

run up to its potential and just focus on the

1:04:25

horse and not the rider. Now,

1:04:28

I think we do this every single year, Randy.

1:04:31

We try to talk ourselves into

1:04:33

a Japanese horse who won in

1:04:35

the UAE or the Saudi Arabia

1:04:38

Derby. We do this every single

1:04:40

year. So this year, forever

1:04:42

young, what are

1:04:44

we telling ourselves? I'm sick of basically being

1:04:46

sold on these Japanese horses flying all the

1:04:48

way around the world and then coming here

1:04:51

and everybody like, watch out for them. It

1:04:53

never works out. Tell me

1:04:56

how this is going to be different this year. Well,

1:04:58

there's really only been one

1:05:01

of them that had a legitimate chance and

1:05:03

that was last year at Dermis Sotogake. And,

1:05:06

you know, he ran six.

1:05:09

He ran okay. He put himself in good

1:05:11

position at the top of the stretch. I

1:05:13

thought he was going to be good enough

1:05:15

to win and he wasn't. So,

1:05:18

you know, the sample size is not all that

1:05:20

big. This year, forever young is

1:05:22

the most accomplished with any Japanese horse that's

1:05:25

ever come over here. He's

1:05:27

a perfect five for five lifetime, but

1:05:29

I've got two concerns about forever young

1:05:31

that would keep me from being super

1:05:34

confident in him. Right? Gallop wise, he's as

1:05:36

good as any of them except Fiercen. But

1:05:40

he traveled 5,000 miles to

1:05:42

get from Japan to Saudi Arabia.

1:05:45

He won the Saudi Derby. Then he hopped

1:05:47

over to Dubai, not very far. He won

1:05:49

the UAE Derby. Then he traveled 7,000 miles

1:05:53

to get here after he

1:05:55

won the UAE Derby. His Japanese

1:05:57

trainer through a translator was quoted

1:05:59

as saying. that when he made

1:06:01

the trip from Tokyo to Saudi

1:06:03

Arabia, he did not travel well.

1:06:06

The travel bothered him. And

1:06:08

it took him a while to get

1:06:10

back into his rhythm. With

1:06:13

this source, the travel over was

1:06:15

delayed by a week because of

1:06:17

logistical problems from Dubai to the

1:06:20

United States, right? He

1:06:22

had to fly from Dubai to Frankfurt,

1:06:24

from Frankfurt to Chicago, Chicago, a 42-hour

1:06:26

quarantine into a van, six hours to

1:06:29

turn the lounge. If

1:06:31

he didn't travel well from Saudi, from

1:06:33

Japan to Saudi, it concerns me

1:06:37

that, you know, he's going to be a little

1:06:39

bit less than 100% because of the travel all

1:06:41

the way into here. The other thing, the

1:06:44

trainer seems to be borderline

1:06:48

obsessive about

1:06:50

keeping this horse out of

1:06:52

this kickback spray in his face.

1:06:56

And if he tries to do that in the Kentucky

1:06:58

Derby with 20 horses, the only

1:07:00

way to do it would be to take him to

1:07:02

the far outside. And

1:07:04

in that case, he would have an impossibly

1:07:06

wide trip and he'd be completely screwed. So

1:07:09

because of those two factors, I'm

1:07:12

not as confident about forever young

1:07:14

running well as I

1:07:16

was last year with German Saudi guys.

1:07:18

But he is a very, very talented,

1:07:21

very, very determined and accomplished trainer. Another

1:07:24

crazy story is that Jason Wirth actually owns one

1:07:26

of these racehorses or he owns at least like

1:07:28

10% of one of the horses, right? Is it

1:07:30

Dornak or Dornak? Yeah, Dornak. Dornak

1:07:32

breaks from post position number one. He'll probably

1:07:34

set the early base. Yeah,

1:07:37

Jason is just now sort of getting

1:07:39

started in the horse business, just dabbling

1:07:41

in it. And

1:07:43

you know, it's such a long shot for someone

1:07:45

to just buy a few horses and not spend

1:07:47

an astronomical amount of money. And yet

1:07:50

have a horse in the Kentucky Derby. Yeah. I

1:07:53

talked to him yesterday back there in the barn area. He's

1:07:55

over the moon about it. A really good guy. He

1:07:58

realizes how lucky. gotten right off

1:08:00

the bat. Yeah, that's crazy to just get started. I think he's

1:08:02

been doing this for like three years and he has a horse

1:08:04

in the Derby in the third year. It's

1:08:06

insane. Now is the horse, is it

1:08:09

a filly? No,

1:08:11

it's a horse who actually happens

1:08:13

to be a full brother, meaning

1:08:15

the same sire and the

1:08:18

same dam as Mage,

1:08:21

last year's Kentucky Derby winner. It's

1:08:23

never happened that two horses

1:08:25

out of the same sire and mare both

1:08:27

won the Kentucky Derby. It's a

1:08:29

historic history of Dornak to manage to go wire to

1:08:32

wire from the inside. The odds are in the manning

1:08:34

brothers. Is there any

1:08:36

nepotism concerns? Do you think that Mage

1:08:38

maybe told him, hey, this is how

1:08:40

you want to run the race? Are

1:08:42

we worried about that? I mean, the

1:08:45

nepotism with Seattle Slough throughout the years

1:08:47

has been ridiculous. Maybe

1:08:50

they hooked up a little FaceTime with Mage

1:08:52

and Dornak here in the week before the

1:08:54

Kentucky Derby, right? All right, dumb question. Do

1:08:56

they know their brothers? No.

1:08:59

Like if they see each other, are they like, yo, you look

1:09:01

like me? Well, who

1:09:04

knows, right? No

1:09:07

one has any idea if a horse

1:09:09

would actually recognize that. There

1:09:12

are some people who believe, and

1:09:14

I can't argue with them necessarily. I mean, you

1:09:16

can't factor this into your hand at that, but

1:09:18

there are some people who believe that horses can

1:09:20

be in the paddock, right? Before they

1:09:22

even get to the racetrack, and you

1:09:24

can have eight or 10 horses together in the paddock,

1:09:27

and they're getting ready to, which is where I am,

1:09:29

obviously, right here, by the way, and they're getting ready

1:09:31

to go out and run in a race. And some

1:09:33

people believe that one horse can look at another horse

1:09:35

and say, oh, shit, I can't

1:09:37

beat that horse. Mentally

1:09:40

weak. I love it. Yeah.

1:09:43

Yeah. I know. Well,

1:09:45

what about- Who knows? I believe that now. I

1:09:47

absolutely believe that. Horses can

1:09:50

have friends. I know that. Can they

1:09:52

have enemies like rivals or their horses that look

1:09:54

at another specific horse and be like, I fucking

1:09:56

hate that horse. I'm going to run faster. You

1:09:58

know, this is it. It's funny that you

1:10:00

would say that when I first started coming to

1:10:03

Kentucky, I took a trip to,

1:10:05

uh, to some farms in

1:10:07

Lexington and I went to a spin

1:10:09

thrift farm, big farm, and

1:10:11

they had a firm, the triple crown

1:10:14

winner there. Who was a

1:10:16

very entertaining horses. He was said to

1:10:18

be one of the most intelligent horses, uh,

1:10:20

good horses that ever lived, right? A

1:10:23

very, very smart horse. He

1:10:25

actually used to play a game where the tour

1:10:27

of people would be up, including me would

1:10:29

be up at the fence, watching him in the back

1:10:31

of the grassy paddock. And then he

1:10:33

would come charging full speed right at the people.

1:10:36

And it looked like he was going to just run right

1:10:38

into the fence and he would wait till they scattered and

1:10:41

ran away. And then he would come to a screeching stop

1:10:43

and just really entertained him to be able

1:10:46

to scatter the people like that. Well, his

1:10:48

sire was in the paddock

1:10:51

next door, exclusive native. And

1:10:53

the guy that took care of them told me

1:10:55

that they hated each other. I

1:11:00

would try to, they would try to fight

1:11:02

over the fence and they would sometimes race each

1:11:04

other up and down the fence line, but

1:11:06

they did not like each other at all. So it

1:11:08

was like a little, uh, what do you call that?

1:11:10

Adipus? Adipus complex. Yeah. I

1:11:13

like that. No love lost between the

1:11:15

two. All right. So talking about the

1:11:17

whole field, give us some, uh, long

1:11:20

shots that you are

1:11:22

looking at, maybe including in

1:11:24

your, uh, exotics. I I'll throw one out there

1:11:26

that maybe you could tell me is stupid, but uh,

1:11:29

the horse mystic Dan just looking at the speed

1:11:31

figures is probably the second fastest horse if they

1:11:33

all ran their top speed that they've run in

1:11:36

the past. Um, is that stupid to

1:11:38

include him in anything? Uh,

1:11:41

wait until you see the racetrack

1:11:43

condition on Saturday, the, the, the

1:11:46

speed figure you're talking about was,

1:11:48

uh, in Arkansas at Oakland park at a

1:11:51

trade, a race called the Southwest States, where

1:11:53

it was a muddy racetrack. And

1:11:56

he absolutely ran a freakishly good

1:11:58

race coming down. on the stretch.

1:12:00

He came back next start on a fast

1:12:03

race track in the Arkansas Derby and wasn't

1:12:05

nearly as effective. Now that's

1:12:07

not a lot of evidence, just two races to

1:12:09

say that Man this World's Love is a muddy

1:12:11

race track, but it's supposed to rain.

1:12:14

Friday it's supposed to rain maybe Saturday morning.

1:12:17

If the track is muddy, it's for the Kentucky

1:12:19

Derby and Bistic Dan

1:12:21

is sitting on the board at 35 to 1, you

1:12:25

could do a whole lot worse than to make

1:12:27

that assumption. Okay, and then what else? What

1:12:29

other horses should we have our eyes on

1:12:31

where you're like, okay, this horse is

1:12:33

something you want to include? Yeah, two

1:12:36

of the mid price long shots that I like. 16 to

1:12:39

1 right now in the bedding is a

1:12:41

horse called Just a Touch, who

1:12:43

was second to Sierra Leone in

1:12:46

the bluegrass. And he's a horse that's getting better and better

1:12:48

and better. He's only had three races, just

1:12:51

like Just a Five years ago.

1:12:53

So he's very inexperienced, theoretically improving.

1:12:56

And then at, he's 16 to 1. And

1:12:58

then at 17 to 1, there's a horse

1:13:00

called Honor Marie, who

1:13:02

was second in the Louisiana Derby, who

1:13:05

had already shown last year that

1:13:07

he loves Churchill Down. And

1:13:10

he's looked really good here in workouts

1:13:12

in the morning. Just a Touch is up

1:13:14

close to the face. Honor Marie will be back there

1:13:16

with Sierra Leone towards the back of

1:13:18

the pack. But both those horses, I think have

1:13:20

a really good chance, you know, to

1:13:22

sort of sneak into the trifectas

1:13:25

and the superfectives. So the horse that right now

1:13:27

has a third best odds, maybe, I don't know

1:13:29

what the scratches are, but catching freedom is right

1:13:32

now, I think eight to one. I don't

1:13:34

know if that's current. But we haven't

1:13:36

talked about him. He seems to be right

1:13:39

in the conversation. What do you think about him? He

1:13:42

ran a really good race to win the Louisiana

1:13:44

Derby, right? Honor Marie was second. He beat Honor

1:13:46

Marie by a length in there. They were last

1:13:48

and next to last in the

1:13:50

early part of the race. So just

1:13:52

like Sierra Leone, you know, those horses

1:13:54

will all be way back at the

1:13:56

back of the pack. I think they found out

1:13:58

something in that race about He didn't

1:14:00

break very well, and he had never

1:14:03

been that far back before, and that was the best race of

1:14:05

his life. And I think they

1:14:07

found out that's the way he wants to run. But

1:14:09

he's still going to have to improve, I think,

1:14:12

from that race into

1:14:14

the Kentucky Derby, but no, he's

1:14:16

definitely not without a chance. So

1:14:19

you're in the new paddock right now. I know

1:14:21

that they've changed the track up a little bit,

1:14:23

aren't they? They nerfed the track. They made it

1:14:25

softer. They're trying to not have a

1:14:27

repeat of what happened last year. What changes

1:14:30

have been made to the actual surface of the track? It's

1:14:33

the composition of the track. It's

1:14:35

the percentages of sand, silt, and

1:14:37

clay. They bought some new

1:14:39

equipment to take care of the track a little bit

1:14:41

better. One

1:14:44

of the things that's going to be interesting, I

1:14:46

think, is that there's a higher percentage of clay,

1:14:48

apparently, in the track. And

1:14:50

if you know anything about farming or whatever, I don't,

1:14:52

or whatever it is, clay

1:14:54

holds moisture more than sand

1:14:56

and silt. This track

1:14:58

was always known as a track

1:15:00

that dried very, very quickly because

1:15:03

it had a higher percentage of sand. And

1:15:06

now with more clay in the track, there is

1:15:08

at least some concern with the trainers back there

1:15:10

that if it rains Friday and it

1:15:13

rains Saturday morning that the track may not

1:15:15

dry as quickly on Kentucky Derby Day as

1:15:17

it has in the past. That

1:15:20

might be the most immediate impact that we see.

1:15:23

Yeah. Talking

1:15:25

about Friday, you usually give us something on the

1:15:27

Kentucky Oaks. You will be

1:15:29

on the broadcast. We'll see you all weekend. So

1:15:31

what do you think in Kentucky Oaks for people

1:15:33

who want to start on Friday? Look, I'll give

1:15:35

you some horses to bet Friday

1:15:38

and Saturday, right? Okay. In

1:15:41

the Kentucky Oaks, we'll start with the Kentucky Oaks on Friday.

1:15:44

I have a very tough time

1:15:46

separating the five for

1:15:49

Pito, Anna, and the 13 just FYI. Right

1:15:53

now for Pito, Anna is the favorite in the

1:15:55

early betting. Just FYI is, you

1:15:57

know, it's almost a coin for it. horses.

1:16:00

So I would play exactly as back and forth between

1:16:03

those two right now just at my eyes I think

1:16:05

five to one which will be a great price

1:16:07

for her. The horse I like

1:16:09

the most in the two days for betting

1:16:11

purposes is running on Saturday

1:16:13

in the seventh race, a race

1:16:15

called the Distaff Turf Mile and

1:16:18

her name is Koppes. C-O-P-P-I-C-E.

1:16:21

She breaks from number

1:16:23

11 in the seventh

1:16:26

race on Saturday. Her first race in the

1:16:28

United States and the

1:16:30

reviews of this horse back

1:16:32

at the barn in the mornings have

1:16:34

been absolutely glowing and

1:16:36

a lot of those European horses come over here

1:16:38

and pick up against the American horses

1:16:40

when they switch into the turf. And

1:16:43

then a few races later the tenth race is

1:16:45

a race called the Churchill Down

1:16:47

States, the seven furlong sprint. I'm

1:16:50

not positive this

1:16:52

horse is fast enough to win but

1:16:54

it's gonna be 12 or 15 to 1 and the horse

1:16:58

could be right there and I'm

1:17:00

gonna bet it the horses name is Trackmate. Okay.

1:17:03

Trackmate number seven in

1:17:06

the in the tenth race on Saturday.

1:17:09

Okay all right I like that. I

1:17:12

like that endorsement of it I'm not sure this horse is

1:17:14

fast enough to win but I'm gonna bet on it. Yeah

1:17:16

at that price yeah you know numbers

1:17:19

wise he can win in his last race

1:17:21

at Oakland Park it was just an allowance

1:17:23

race you watch that race and

1:17:25

you're like whoa I mean he's

1:17:27

streaked around horses coming to the

1:17:29

stretch and then drew off and

1:17:31

won. They thought Dwayne Lucas trains him he's

1:17:34

had blinkers twice he won both those

1:17:36

races last race he just he

1:17:38

really gave you that sort of wow factor when you

1:17:40

watch them run and this is not the

1:17:43

toughest Churchill Down States that we've seen over the year so I

1:17:45

think he's got a really good chance to

1:17:48

be right there. When you go blinkers on

1:17:50

are we basically saying that the horse is

1:17:52

just not mentally tough? Yeah.

1:18:00

But typically, typically that

1:18:02

the horse is too distracted.

1:18:04

Right. Right. The

1:18:06

horse is looking at the other horses. The horse is looking at the crowd. You

1:18:09

know, the horses, especially in the infield, if it

1:18:11

can take the derby. Oh, look over there. Holy

1:18:13

cow. Look at that. You know, and he's not,

1:18:15

and he's not focused on what he's doing in

1:18:17

front of him. Right. So

1:18:20

the blinkers sort of help him not look at anything

1:18:22

else except what's inside right there. The

1:18:24

other thing is that sometimes horses, what, what

1:18:26

the blinkers will do when they

1:18:29

sharpen the focus, it makes

1:18:31

horses often run faster early,

1:18:35

for whatever reason. I guess it's because they're

1:18:37

just, they're, they're more focused. Yeah. And

1:18:39

so if some horses just have trouble early in

1:18:41

the race and they drop too far back, trainers

1:18:44

will put blinkers on the horse, hoping that

1:18:46

it makes them show more speed. And oftentimes

1:18:48

it works. Now, in terms

1:18:50

of horse racing technology, have we ever

1:18:52

thought about, you know how like outfielders

1:18:55

would wear the, the, the sunglasses that

1:18:57

you can flip on and off. Have

1:19:00

we thought about doing blinkers where it's like you can

1:19:02

have the blinkers on for the first start of the

1:19:04

race and then you can flip them off at

1:19:06

the end. Has that, I think I

1:19:08

might've just invented a new thing. You

1:19:11

may have before, you know it, you

1:19:13

may have those, you may have eye black under

1:19:15

the horse's eyes. I like that. You don't know.

1:19:18

Yeah. I mean, but what, what you do see

1:19:20

in horse racing, that's, that's, that's pretty funny is

1:19:23

that some horses are claustrophobic

1:19:26

and they don't want to go into the starting gate. This

1:19:28

happens in Europe more than it does in the United States.

1:19:31

So they'll put a hood on them, a complete hood,

1:19:33

no eye holes. They can't

1:19:36

see anything and they'll put them in the gate

1:19:38

and they'll load them in the gate and they'll keep

1:19:40

that hood on them. And the jockey will have his

1:19:42

hand on top of the hood. And

1:19:45

as soon as the gate opens, he'll throw the hood

1:19:47

off, throw it behind

1:19:49

him. And then the horse, the horse

1:19:51

will go on. The day that the jockey forgets

1:19:53

to take the hood off, that should be very

1:19:55

interesting. Yeah. It sounds like

1:19:58

they're, they're taking the horse hostage and then. You're

1:20:00

like, okay, you're free, try to get away. And

1:20:02

then it runs out. That's actually a smart move.

1:20:04

What about this? What about if you were to

1:20:06

take, have a horse and have it trained with

1:20:08

a really fat jockey for a while. And then

1:20:10

on race day, here's your real jockey. He weighs

1:20:12

150 pounds less. It's like a

1:20:14

batting donut. Yeah, a batting donut. Yeah. Yeah,

1:20:17

it's like swinging a leaded bat or something like that. Yeah,

1:20:20

there was a trainer named Larry Jones who's still praying for us

1:20:22

every now and then. He's had some

1:20:24

really good horses over the years. He had hard spawn. He

1:20:26

was second in the confecte dirty way back when. Larry

1:20:29

weighs about 170 pounds or whatever. We

1:20:33

would like to breeze his horses and

1:20:35

get on them in the morning. And

1:20:38

that was a little part of the theory. Yeah. Thought

1:20:41

it would strengthen them up a little bit, right? And

1:20:44

then in the afternoon you put on your 110 pound rider and

1:20:48

boom. You don't see that very

1:20:50

often though. Yeah. Did it

1:20:52

work? I hate it, but we won a lot of races. Okay, that's

1:20:54

a smart move. Yeah. It's a very

1:20:56

smart move. What kind of minimum weight a jockey has to be? Minimum

1:20:59

or maximum? Minimum. Is

1:21:01

there a minimum? Well, I mean,

1:21:03

typically nowadays you don't

1:21:05

see many races at all where

1:21:08

the minimum weight is any lower than like

1:21:10

112, 113 pounds,

1:21:12

right? So if you do happen to have

1:21:14

a super duper lightweight

1:21:16

jockey like Pat Day used

1:21:18

to be, right? Pat Day

1:21:20

was a natural lightweight. Like

1:21:23

I'm talking like 105 pounds or something

1:21:25

like that. So when Pat would ride and

1:21:27

it's worth it to carry 115 pounds they

1:21:30

just put 10 pounds of lead weight into

1:21:33

the saddle so that he

1:21:35

can carry the amount of weight that he's

1:21:37

required to carry. As far as a maximum

1:21:39

weight, typically nowadays

1:21:42

it's very difficult for a jockey to ride.

1:21:45

It'd be weighs more than 117, 116 pounds. Okay.

1:21:50

Because they're overweight. They're overweight on too many

1:21:52

races. Yeah. But

1:21:55

yeah. That's the way that works. I'm

1:21:57

just thinking like what, you

1:21:59

know, like maybe a seven-year-old on a horse. Yeah.

1:22:03

Would they just be able to dominate? Yeah, just

1:22:05

riding, just standing on him, maybe. Yeah, like a

1:22:07

50-pound, seven-year-old. Have we thought about getting yokits involved

1:22:09

in American horse racing? We know he loves horses.

1:22:11

And I feel like this would be right up

1:22:13

his alley. He's in the playoffs, obviously, so he

1:22:15

can't do it now, but getting him involved, owning

1:22:18

a horse, and then he would ride on the

1:22:20

back of the horse to train it, and

1:22:22

then put a jockey on that horse is gonna be

1:22:24

so fast. Hey,

1:22:27

we got Jason Wirth this year, you know, Aaron

1:22:30

Rodgers will probably be here, Tom Brady will be

1:22:32

here. So yeah, I mean, it's

1:22:34

good to man these athletes involved in the

1:22:36

camp. Yeah, all right, last question. This has

1:22:38

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1:22:49

little interesting for the triple crown. I'll actually be

1:22:52

there for the Belmont, which is gonna be at

1:22:54

Saratoga. Is that gonna change,

1:22:56

yeah, hopefully I'll see you. Is that gonna

1:22:58

change any of the horses that are in

1:23:00

the triple crown? You know, cause I know

1:23:02

you can obviously race the Preakness in Belmont,

1:23:05

even if you're not in the Kentucky Derby,

1:23:07

but the fact that it's in a different

1:23:09

place, in a different track, does that change

1:23:11

the dynamic in how trainers are playing this

1:23:13

out? Not the

1:23:15

fact that it's at a different track, but

1:23:18

the fact that it's at a different distance.

1:23:21

Yeah. Because the Belmont is

1:23:23

being run at Saratoga this year, they

1:23:26

don't feel comfortable running it at

1:23:28

a mile and a half, because then you'd have to start

1:23:31

it halfway around the turn. And

1:23:33

now it's been done in the past when the Belmont

1:23:35

was run at Aqueduct, a few way back when, in

1:23:38

the sixties I think, when they were, the first

1:23:40

time they were rebuilding Belmont Park. They

1:23:42

ran at a mile and a half and they started it

1:23:44

on the turn with no problem. So because they felt it

1:23:46

was important to keep that mile and a half distance. But

1:23:49

this year, next year, the

1:23:52

New York authorities have decided that it would be

1:23:54

better to run the Belmont Six at a mile

1:23:56

and a quarter, which completely

1:23:58

changes the dynamic. the Triple Crown.

1:24:01

Belmont was always known as the test

1:24:03

of the champion because of that

1:24:06

mile and a half distance that was the undoing

1:24:08

of so many horses that were trying to sweep the Triple

1:24:10

Crown. It's much to me the

1:24:13

distances of the races and the Belmont especially

1:24:15

being a mile and a half, it's

1:24:18

much more important to keep that

1:24:20

tradition than the amount of

1:24:22

time between the Derby and the Britney and

1:24:25

the Britney and the Belmont. But

1:24:27

at a mile and a quarter I think you're

1:24:29

going to see a lot more trainers want

1:24:31

to run in the Belmont states than

1:24:34

if it were still a mile and a half. If

1:24:37

someone wins the Triple Crown this year

1:24:39

or next year we're going to just

1:24:41

forever be like Asterix bubble championship different.

1:24:43

You're right. Yes absolutely.

1:24:46

I think that's unfortunate. Yeah but on the other

1:24:48

hand you're going to get more horses running in

1:24:50

the other races which is good right? Well

1:24:53

more in the Belmont. Yeah. Yeah.

1:24:56

Man Saratoga is incredible. Oh

1:24:59

yeah. Yeah and that's

1:25:01

going to be quite the spectacle. I wish

1:25:03

I could see you there. I'm not going

1:25:05

to be there. Okay. Fox says the Belmont

1:25:07

states nowadays but it's going to

1:25:09

be like really really something special to

1:25:11

see. Okay. All right. So Randy thank

1:25:14

you as always. We'll talk to you

1:25:16

before the Preakness. We're

1:25:18

excited. We're very excited for the Kentucky Derby.

1:25:20

It's like the official start of summer in

1:25:22

my mind and look at

1:25:24

that scene. It looks beautiful. It's nice

1:25:26

paddock. And good luck on TV

1:25:29

on Friday and Saturday and I know you'll look

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great. You got a good outfit I'm sure picked

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out and we'll talk to you in a couple

1:25:35

weeks. All right guys. Thanks

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talk some puck Yans

1:28:07

talk to you. Yeah.

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Yeah, you guys went over

1:28:11

last podcast You saying very very very

1:28:14

special guests and I get fucking nothing

1:28:16

Yeah, and actually on this episode people are

1:28:18

gonna listen to this after they listen to

1:28:20

Randy Moss. I think I gave him four

1:28:22

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1:28:25

you got Any

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various do you think you should get? None,

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but like I don't know fake one

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Those two. Uh, yans before we talk about

1:28:38

some of these second round matchups You

1:28:41

were texting me yesterday and he He

1:28:44

said he wishes he had memes phone number.

1:28:47

Oh, we could have texted him and

1:28:49

asked How many games you

1:28:51

really thought the Islanders are gonna win? So what we

1:28:53

should might as well do it right now because you

1:28:55

you were dealing with Frankie Borrelli and Islanders fans Yeah,

1:28:58

they thought that a

1:29:00

4-1 loss of the Hurricanes in that first

1:29:02

round series. They were right there Which

1:29:06

is insane. It means there. Yeah me. He's

1:29:08

here. Hey, I wanted his phone numbers because

1:29:10

I wanted to be friends with them I

1:29:12

love memes, but Second,

1:29:15

but like it's like Borrelli's making this

1:29:17

big deal having stew finer coming to

1:29:20

his restaurant watch games Like you they

1:29:22

had zero chance of winning that series

1:29:24

zero and do

1:29:26

I love the fact that they? Did it in

1:29:29

heartbreaking fashion? Yes. I love it. Cuz you know,

1:29:31

I played for the Rangers. I hate the Islanders

1:29:33

but The fact that they

1:29:35

thought that they I'd rather not be in the

1:29:37

playoffs then think that you're gonna win a series

1:29:39

or think you're Gonna win a game like it's

1:29:42

just it's it's just typical

1:29:44

thinking of you know, the Borrelli type

1:29:46

fan Yeah, that all right. You hated

1:29:48

the Islanders. Is that common? Like do

1:29:51

most players if it's their rival?

1:29:53

They actually have a hatred of them Well,

1:29:56

I think when you play a

1:29:58

team, you know you play a team so

1:30:00

much you're in the same division you're you know a

1:30:02

couple miles away and when you

1:30:04

play the island especially back then when

1:30:06

they were at Nassau Coliseum it was

1:30:08

the worst hotel the worst food the

1:30:11

walk to the rink is brutal so

1:30:13

it's just there's nothing fun about going

1:30:15

to that town to play a game

1:30:17

but great fans loyal

1:30:19

passionate but you know

1:30:22

they they're hanging on to their 1970s a little

1:30:25

bit too long. Yeah yeah all right

1:30:27

so memes what do you say to that are you do

1:30:29

you think you were right there? I do

1:30:32

think we're right there. That's crazy

1:30:34

people talking. How memes? Game two

1:30:36

we probably should have won so

1:30:38

it should have been 2-2 going

1:30:41

in to get game. So that's

1:30:43

one win yeah that one all

1:30:45

right and then it would have been

1:30:47

coming back to the island 3-2 okay would have won

1:30:49

that they wouldn't we would have stole one game seven.

1:30:51

Okay all right so that's how they would have done

1:30:54

it. All right so my bad maybe they would have

1:30:56

won it. They would have

1:30:58

got a pass right to the finals if they

1:31:00

won that series. Yeah all right so so let's

1:31:02

start with let's start with the East because you

1:31:04

just mentioned your former team the Rangers they beat

1:31:07

the Capitals very quickly it was

1:31:10

seven days exactly which I

1:31:12

was trying to help PFT be in like if you're out

1:31:14

in seven days you just were never in the playoffs don't

1:31:16

remember. Are we at the point is

1:31:18

it early enough to do the rest-versa-rust thing are

1:31:20

we worried that the Rangers they played four games

1:31:22

then they're gonna take a week off and now

1:31:24

they got to get back out there do they

1:31:26

lose a little bit of their you

1:31:29

know momentum going into the next round?

1:31:32

I don't think so I think I

1:31:34

think rest is such a big component

1:31:36

especially now during playoffs anytime you can

1:31:38

get it is huge at

1:31:40

the end of every series pretty much

1:31:43

every guy's banged up going through something

1:31:45

whether it's a you know bruises or

1:31:47

you know stuff that's broken guys are

1:31:49

battling through it so I

1:31:51

think the rest component is huge anytime you

1:31:53

can get it especially during the playoffs because

1:31:56

you don't know if you're gonna get it next series

1:31:58

or the series after and You know,

1:32:00

they might have a slow first period but

1:32:03

Carolina's gonna have some rest to Probably

1:32:06

take the under in that first game. Okay,

1:32:08

so the the Rangers is there penalty kill

1:32:10

as good as it looked Or is it

1:32:12

just that the Capitals are atrocious? I think

1:32:15

a little bit of both You didn't

1:32:17

you didn't see the Capitals power play that you used

1:32:19

to see in the last What

1:32:21

20 years with Ovi? Yeah, you

1:32:24

know, they did a good good job of

1:32:26

eliminating him You

1:32:28

know, I don't think he had his best series that

1:32:30

he's ever had and I'm sure he would be the

1:32:32

first guy to tell You that but You

1:32:35

know a lot of hard work from that team at the end of this

1:32:37

season to try to get in they might have been Out of gas, but

1:32:40

I do think that the Rangers PK and

1:32:42

their power play the special teams are great

1:32:44

They got a lot of they got a lot of dogs

1:32:46

out there just guys that are willing to pay the price

1:32:49

block shots playoff time that's

1:32:51

what it's all about and Guys

1:32:53

sacrificing themselves and I think the Rangers are one

1:32:55

of the best teams at doing that and you

1:32:57

know They got the guys that want a PK

1:32:59

and then when you have such a good power

1:33:01

play like they do it just makes your Your

1:33:04

PK look even better with Ovi specifically.

1:33:06

I I've watched a lot of

1:33:09

him this year. I've watched his entire career In

1:33:12

the playoffs. He looked like a different guy entirely I'm

1:33:14

I it was to a point where I started to

1:33:16

get concerned like is this the new Ovi? Is this

1:33:18

just who he is now because he seemed to hit

1:33:20

a wall this year So maybe it was he's out

1:33:22

of gas by the end of season But the

1:33:24

way that he played it was completely foreign to

1:33:26

me as somebody that's seen this guy's entire career

1:33:29

Haven't seen that type of play from

1:33:31

Ovi ever. And so now I'm worried

1:33:34

Next year looking forward is this just gonna be

1:33:36

Ovi trotting him out there Trying to

1:33:38

get him out on power plays until he gets the record and then

1:33:41

then the franchise is just kind of treading water For

1:33:43

the next season or maybe two seasons Yeah,

1:33:46

I think it could I think it could be a

1:33:48

little of that but yeah there were a few plays

1:33:50

during that series when you know, I

1:33:52

know when I was with the Rangers we played

1:33:54

the Washington and you

1:33:57

know a lot of times like he'll come down the wall like

1:33:59

he's usually in his spot up there hitting a

1:34:01

one-timer but if there's a loose puck and you're a

1:34:03

D-man going to get it, he's usually running you through

1:34:06

the glass. I didn't see

1:34:08

much of that out of him but it's

1:34:11

like you guys said before on the

1:34:13

show, Father Time is undefeated. I

1:34:17

don't know if they had the best team to

1:34:20

support him as well. I think they were

1:34:22

lucky to get in with obviously the goal

1:34:24

differentials everyone's been talking about. You

1:34:28

can see him, especially he'll put

1:34:30

his 20 games together where he just

1:34:32

goes on heaters, plays well, plays hard

1:34:34

but I think the days

1:34:36

of where he's running guys through the boards, a

1:34:39

force to be reckoned with out there, those might

1:34:41

be limited but I think when it comes to

1:34:43

goal scoring, I think he could do it until

1:34:46

he's 45 years old because he's

1:34:48

got one of those shots where no one wants to block

1:34:50

it whether you're a defenseman or a goalie, you don't want

1:34:52

to get hit by it. I

1:34:56

think you're still going to see him

1:34:58

scoring goals and getting opportunities but I think

1:35:01

the rest of that stuff made him so

1:35:03

effective with being a force

1:35:05

out there, scary to play against. People

1:35:08

don't realize he's probably 250 pounds,

1:35:11

especially when playoffs come at the end of the year,

1:35:13

you're eating a lot of chicken parm during the season.

1:35:17

He's probably playing at 250 running guys

1:35:20

and not a fun man to play

1:35:22

against. Last question

1:35:24

about the Rangers, Matt Rempe who electrified

1:35:27

the NHL when he came

1:35:29

up, was fighting every single night, he

1:35:31

turned down a fight in this series with Tom

1:35:33

Wilson. Does that matter at all

1:35:35

in the locker room going forward? Like hey dude, it's

1:35:38

the playoffs or was it simply the Rangers were

1:35:40

going to win that series no matter what, don't

1:35:43

waste your fights in this series? Yeah

1:35:45

I think a little bit of both. The key

1:35:47

thing to fighting is time and place

1:35:49

and you talk to guys like this

1:35:51

or guys like this, you

1:35:54

can hurt a team's moment, your own team's momentum,

1:35:56

you can help another team's momentum. If you're up

1:35:58

by a goal it's usually an unwritten. in law

1:36:00

that you don't fight. The other

1:36:02

team's fighters probably going to try to fight you to

1:36:04

get his team going a little bit. But that's when

1:36:07

you kind of shake it off and say, no, no, no,

1:36:09

wait till it's tied or whatever. But usually

1:36:11

when fights like that happen, especially in playoffs,

1:36:13

it's usually a little more organic. Whether

1:36:16

a guy gets ran from behind or stuck in

1:36:18

the face. But I think the

1:36:20

days of where guys are just tapping shim

1:36:22

pads at the red line and saying, hey,

1:36:24

we're going this shift, I think that's kind

1:36:26

of done, especially during playoffs. Because it's

1:36:29

all about momentum for your team. I

1:36:31

can't remember exactly the play. Was

1:36:33

it at home or on the road? I think

1:36:36

it was game three and either three or four.

1:36:38

But Wilson was trying to get after him a

1:36:40

couple of times in this series. And the Raiders

1:36:42

were up one. Especially on the road, too. You

1:36:46

don't need to fight on the road because you're just

1:36:48

going to get the other team's crowd into it at

1:36:50

home. You're probably looking for it a little more. But

1:36:52

on the road, you don't need to get the other

1:36:54

team's crowd into it. Especially

1:36:57

PFT will be taking his shirt off and

1:37:00

waving it around like Petey Pablo. Another

1:37:03

dumb question about Rempe. So he

1:37:05

comes up and he fights. I can't remember. It was like four

1:37:07

or five of the first games that he

1:37:09

played. In the locker room,

1:37:12

is there anyone like, hey, dude, we get it? We

1:37:14

love you. You're good? After the

1:37:16

third fight, they're like, hey, you're good with

1:37:18

us. We know you're the tough guy now.

1:37:21

We're good going forward. You're our guy. Or

1:37:23

was he like, I'm just going to keep fighting

1:37:25

until everyone here says to me personally that

1:37:27

they love me? It's

1:37:31

a good way to get the

1:37:33

graces of your teammates is by going out

1:37:35

and fighting, especially when you're a young player

1:37:37

trying to make a name for yourself. But

1:37:41

I don't think he needs to do it. And

1:37:43

you'll see during playoffs, he won't be doing it as

1:37:45

much. He'll be playing. And

1:37:47

he's a scary guy to play

1:37:50

against. He's six, seven, flies

1:37:52

around. So I think he's more effective getting

1:37:55

it on the floor checks, scaring D-men, making

1:37:58

plays when he can. But at

1:38:01

the end of the day, the fighting stuff

1:38:03

in playoffs is going to be more

1:38:05

organic. Yeah, how

1:38:07

do you usually initiate a fight? Is it

1:38:09

you want to go? Yeah,

1:38:13

you want one. A lot of guys say you

1:38:15

want one. Yeah. You want a shot

1:38:17

at the belt. That's what I used to say. How

1:38:20

many fights did you lock? Not

1:38:23

many. Maybe eight, seven,

1:38:26

eight, and 16 years. Is

1:38:28

there a good way to turn down a fight, or do you just

1:38:30

skate away? Like, can you say, not right now, I can't do it

1:38:32

right now. I'm busy. I used to

1:38:35

always say either my hand hurts or

1:38:38

a coach won't let me. Coach,

1:38:41

go ahead. Coach,

1:38:44

go ahead. Coach, go ahead. Okay, other series in

1:38:46

the East that hasn't been finished. Do you want

1:38:48

to... I know that we have game six tonight.

1:38:50

We're taping this in the afternoon. Is

1:38:53

there any way the Leafs can win this and take it

1:38:55

to seven and then possibly feel this? Because

1:38:58

it felt like they were dead, especially with Austin

1:39:00

Matthews out. Like, they're yelling

1:39:02

at each other on the bench. Like,

1:39:04

is there any chance the Leafs can somehow get

1:39:06

this to seven and maybe win? I

1:39:10

don't know. A lot of it, it has a

1:39:12

little bit of a feeling of last year when

1:39:15

the Bruins lost to the

1:39:17

Panthers with, you know, missing a

1:39:19

couple goals. Or, Marchand missed last year. I

1:39:21

think Coyle missed one this year. So, it

1:39:23

has a little bit of that same feeling.

1:39:25

But I think Toronto played

1:39:28

their best game last game.

1:39:30

And I thought the Bruins were not very

1:39:32

good at all. They was a sloppy game.

1:39:34

Not a lot of... It looked like the

1:39:37

ice that the parquet was still down. Like,

1:39:39

pucks were bouncing everywhere. So, I

1:39:41

don't think they can pull this one off. I

1:39:43

think the Bruins have the leadership, the veteran presence

1:39:45

in that locker room that they'll be able to,

1:39:48

you know, win one of two. But if

1:39:50

they lose tonight, man, it's going to get

1:39:53

a little testy in the waters in

1:39:55

Boston. Do you think maybe Ryan Whitney turned

1:39:57

the series around with the Photoshop that he

1:39:59

personally... created and put out there online and the leaf

1:40:01

saw that and they're like fuck this we're gonna go out there

1:40:03

and win. Oh I didn't even

1:40:05

see that. Oh you didn't see the photoshop. Why

1:40:09

don't you think I want you to...

1:40:11

Maybe yeah he would be great. Since

1:40:14

Yanno so he knows what not to share online. It

1:40:16

would be great if Yanno's the one who created it.

1:40:18

He's just like Kaiser Soze he's like I don't even

1:40:21

have a computer. He's

1:40:23

masterminding all these AI images. Yeah

1:40:25

I wouldn't put it past you. Out

1:40:28

West so the Dallas