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Hello, I'm Simon Le

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Bon and you are listening

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to the Pantheon Network. Yeah,

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that'd be interesting. Man,

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Jason bottom out there while they're at it. All

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the kids out there. I'd

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rather you know what? Who'd be a fun one?

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Alex Van Halen. I was going to say,

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we're going to be fun. Get

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that fat ass behind those drums because

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you know that guy can play.

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Yes, he can. Hell, he

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can even drop. He could drop out and go

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sing and play guitar while Dave goes back

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on the drums. You know what? Yeah, that'd be perfect.

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Maybe we just stumbled across. That is

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the perfect replacement. One, he can

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do the job. Two, Taylor

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loved to come out and fucking rock some Van

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Halen. You know

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what I mean? And he would just do the vocals. Now

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you got a guy who can hammer those Eddie solos

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and shit. Fuck. It's official.

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I'm making it here. The Wolfgang

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Van Halen is the new drummer for

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the Foo Fighters.

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I can't wait to see that on Blabbermouth. Yeah.

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good down here myself It

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was damn near

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fucking 90 No, I was in a safe office

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Although

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I was going to take a walk but then I kind of got busy doing

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stuff and then realized I never took a launch I

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honestly thought, even though it was predicted

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to hit about 80, 82 something like that,

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that I thought it would still be kind of a cooler 82

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but it

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got real warm at work before they turned on the A.C.

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and then when I got home, I took

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a stroll with the wife around I don't know, we just went

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for a 10 block walk or something and

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I was like, I'm literally uncomfortably

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warm It's

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on the middle of July Your

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body's not ready for this yet It's not,

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man, it's not

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Well, let me open up with, how was your Eastern,

3:40

Gene? It

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was, I guess, a typical one You know,

3:47

grandkids come over, Easter

3:49

egg hunt I did some

3:51

podcast work and

3:54

then it was kind of a smooth sail into

3:57

the beginning of the week How about

3:59

you? It was pretty typical.

4:01

It actually was we scrambled it together last minute.

4:03

We weren't gonna do anything and then Wednesday

4:06

the kids started texting Amy

4:08

and talked about hey, could we we'd like to come over?

4:11

So yeah, we did that saw the grandbaby for a little

4:13

bit Fucker

4:15

is gonna be a little musician. I'm pretty sure at some

4:17

point. I'm gonna have to get it Let him hit

4:19

the drum kit down here But

4:22

here's the thing

4:24

It's weird to me that we actually celebrate

4:26

Easter Oh because

4:29

unlike any like Maybe

4:32

it's cuz I was raised proper religious

4:34

wise in the sense of like Easter to me

4:36

is very much a religious holiday and For

4:39

anybody that doesn't pay attention to every episode of

4:42

this show. I am just not a religious person. I'm

4:44

not anti religion I don't I really identify

4:46

as an atheist or anything like that to me. It's it's it's

4:49

like not liking Taylor Swift That's what church

4:51

was like to me And then

4:53

the short version is that like

4:54

I was told By

4:56

my parents growing up that once I got to

4:58

confirmation age It's like hey if you

5:01

if you stick with confirmation We will

5:03

let you decide from that point on whether you want to go again,

5:06

and I haven't looked back I

5:08

just churches not my bag, but Easter

5:10

growing up was not one of those holidays like Christmas

5:13

You know I get that everybody celebrates Christmas

5:15

We all get together and buy fucking presents and change

5:17

things and if you don't go to church Nobody's

5:19

really calling you on your bullshit But to

5:21

me Easter was always religious and

5:24

it was weird because it was like there was two factions

5:26

basically You know in my little life

5:28

Lutheran and Catholic So half

5:30

the kids came with some dirt smudged on their

5:32

forehead on Friday before

5:35

Easter

5:36

And then you weren't you thought it was kind of weird-looking

5:38

But also like he felt left out like why

5:40

didn't I get some muds much to grasp my

5:42

forehead? But the thing is like

5:45

I never looked forward to Easter It

5:47

was fun to keep the color eggs and the easter

5:49

egg hunt is fine But it was always wrapped around

5:51

a ton of extra

5:53

church Dressing

5:56

up and hanging out with grandma more than you

5:59

not very fun. Where Christmas, yeah, you kind

6:02

of deal with that stuff too, but you get

6:04

a full damn day of playing with presents that

6:06

you've been staring at for weeks and you've just been

6:08

fantasizing over. It's just, so

6:11

yeah, to me, Easter is very

6:13

much religious. But we do celebrate it because Amy

6:15

likes to and likes to have the kids

6:18

over and toys. And yeah, but it's fucking

6:20

eggs, bunnies, peeps,

6:22

and ham every year. And

6:25

I just had

6:26

Easter baskets. So I

6:29

don't know. I know you're

6:31

not the most religious guy in the world, but clearly you're doing

6:33

the same thing over on at the Vogelhold household

6:35

there.

6:36

It's pretty much more the celebration

6:39

of the spring than it is an actual religious

6:41

activity. You've personally rebranded

6:44

it then. Pretty much,

6:46

yeah. I've co-opted it for my

6:48

own purposes. And I don't

6:50

recall if we've talked about this, so I apologize

6:53

if we have. We've

6:55

just talked about so many things, Gene. I can't keep it all

6:57

straight. You've

6:59

got some miles between us. Some things

7:02

like the names of your children. That's going

7:04

to take me some work. But

7:07

I don't recall you, your mom was not like

7:09

go to church every Sunday or do I have

7:11

that wrong? No, my mom was

7:13

go to the bar every Saturday night and sleep through

7:16

church on Sunday. But

7:18

what she was nice enough to put me on the bus

7:20

to the Baptist church.

7:22

So that way I could find religion

7:25

or more so let mommy sleep.

7:28

So I was out of the house. So

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that was my upbringing. But

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the odd thing is I don't, the only thing I remember

7:37

about those formative years with

7:40

regards to Easter was more about

7:42

the sparkle. Yes,

7:46

it was that stuff. I remember even

7:49

going, I have a memory that sticks with me

7:51

to this day that there was a trailer

7:53

park across from the trailer park I grew up in.

7:56

I mean that's how classy we were out there in Burnsville

7:58

on the elf fringes there.

7:59

We had two trailer parks across the street

8:02

from each other, two separate owners,

8:04

you know, constant, you know, gang

8:06

battles. So, but

8:09

at one point they had a Easter gathering

8:12

and they had, I

8:13

don't know who organized it and maybe it was the

8:15

actual management of the, uh, the whole, uh,

8:18

the park, but they had

8:20

an

8:21

event. And I remember going there, even

8:23

though we didn't live in that park, we

8:25

snuck across the road and we snuck

8:27

in

8:28

and became part of this event. And I

8:30

just remember scrambling for candy and

8:32

it was like one of the best days of my life

8:35

because I got a bunch of candy.

8:39

Now, the funny thing is I didn't

8:41

really,

8:42

maybe they didn't do a good job of expressing

8:45

the whole Easter thing to me in my, those

8:48

years when I was going to a Baptist church, it

8:50

wouldn't be until I was a, uh,

8:54

I wasn't age, I was a witness, but I was studying with

8:56

the Jehovah's witnesses. I had run

8:58

away from home and then when my mom and

9:00

I got back together and my aunt said, boy,

9:02

you know what you guys need?

9:04

You need Jehovah's witnesses. So

9:06

we started going, she started drinking on Friday.

9:10

What's up. Don't Jehovah's go to the church on Sunday

9:13

or Saturday?

9:14

No, they're, they're Sunday, but they'll do

9:16

like a Wednesday thing on occasion. But we were thinking

9:18

on Seventh day Adventist, sorry. Uh,

9:21

but

9:21

I think the Jehovah's people, that's their

9:23

holy day too is Saturday. They're supposed to

9:25

celebrate in Easter. It'd be like me celebrating

9:28

Hanukkah.

9:29

Although I actually have a background in Easter,

9:31

so does my wife as far as the, the

9:34

Christian faith, but I'm

9:36

not going to celebrate Hanukkah. I believe as

9:38

much in

9:39

Christianity as I do Judaism.

9:44

Well, maybe you have to give Judaism a try. You

9:47

mentioned candy. Uh, see now

9:49

I, so you're,

9:51

are you snipped? Oh yeah.

9:53

Yeah. You're cut. Yeah. Yeah. Well, so you're, you're,

9:56

you're part of the way there. Well, I guess,

9:58

yeah. Just a few steps. in a lot of

10:00

reading of a book called the, what is it? What's their book? The

10:02

Torah? The Torah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not

10:04

really interested. They have horrible hair.

10:07

Yeah. They run Hollywood

10:10

though. I like to do that. But

10:12

the, uh, when we start, we were with the witnesses.

10:15

That's where they had a real big emphasis

10:17

on it. However, you

10:19

know what it is? We had a Jehovah's Witness

10:21

kid in our, in every,

10:23

every party, birthday,

10:26

Christmas, Easter, like a little Valentine's

10:29

day. That fucker had to go home. Yeah.

10:32

You can't participate. However, a shitty thing

10:34

to do to a kid, man.

10:35

Easter is when they celebrate. Now there are

10:38

no, there's no eggs. There's

10:40

none of that. None of those trappings. It's

10:42

basically just a

10:44

real hardcore religious,

10:46

uh, activity for, for

10:48

them. So that's what I really

10:51

kind of learned the ins and outs of, Oh, this is

10:53

what this is all about, but it

10:55

didn't win me over. I still wanted Easter

10:57

eggs and I wanted the bunnies

10:59

and all that. Maybe the candy was better.

11:02

Then, you know, like there was some kind of payoff,

11:05

you know, with trick or treating, you got way

11:07

better candy and you had fun getting

11:09

it,

11:10

you know, so you kind of got to top that you

11:12

have to be better than what you take home

11:14

from, from, uh, Halloween.

11:16

And then to make it worth sitting through

11:19

an

11:19

extra long sermon at church,

11:22

you know, that we'll see.

11:24

That's where I got lucky. I didn't have

11:26

that. And, but then again, my

11:28

mother wasn't putting together Easter baskets either. I

11:31

had no idea about that whole tradition. The

11:33

Easter baskets I had as a kid are

11:36

nothing compared to what we gave our kids. I actually

11:38

had to cut it off because I think Gary was 28 years

11:40

old and I, we hadn't seen him for like seven

11:42

months and I'm pretty sure he was just coming up

11:44

for that fucking Easter bag, that

11:47

swag. And I'm like, all right, we're done.

11:49

And now we got a grandson. So it's back baby.

11:51

It's, oh

11:52

yeah, full on. He got one last

11:55

year, man. He was like six weeks old.

11:59

Well, how about that Easter candy clearly sucks

12:02

more than Halloween candy,

12:04

right? Well,

12:05

there's less variety. Although, you know, the

12:08

companies are getting more involved. You know, they got the recesses,

12:11

got the eggs out and they got the, you know, everybody's

12:13

trying to get more competitive in that market because

12:15

it is another, another holiday where

12:18

everybody's going to eat a bunch of garbage and they're going

12:20

to buy a bunch of stuff. And

12:22

just another Hallmark holiday in a fashion,

12:24

other though this one's tied to religious

12:28

activity. Or well, and it is for,

12:30

it's the Passover for the Jewish

12:34

faith. Zombie Jesus. It

12:36

is better than

12:38

Valentine's Day candy,

12:41

which is really just that pasty, kind of almost

12:43

a Pepto-bismol texture stuff.

12:45

But I would put it, I thought, well,

12:47

do we count Christmas? Christmas is more about sweets

12:50

than it is like a pre-packaged

12:52

candy. But if we count just that, I would

12:55

go Halloween, Christmas,

12:57

Easter, Valentine's

12:59

Day, as far as your candy holidays. You

13:02

nailed it. That's it. That's

13:04

the, that's got to be everybody's

13:07

idea of the perfect candy rankings.

13:10

Fair enough. We'll

13:12

see if we get any blow, pushback

13:14

on that. Well, the important thing though, it sounds like the kids

13:16

had fun.

13:18

Oh yeah. You know, well. How long

13:21

of a sermon from grandpa Gene did they

13:23

have to sit there? They got, they got

13:25

zero. I basically, I was working on podcast

13:28

editing and then my wife said they're going to go

13:30

pick, they're going to go find eggs now. So then I had

13:32

to put the headphones down and

13:34

go

13:35

actually participate a little bit more. And

13:37

yeah, the youngest grandchild

13:40

was not too into it. She doesn't like getting dirty. She

13:42

wasn't too into the grass. She's

13:44

young. So

13:45

therefore she's a

13:47

year, a little over a year, not too

13:49

much into it.

13:50

Yeah. Leo's not really walking yet.

13:52

So the East Amy did

13:54

throw out Easter eggs for much to

13:57

my chagrin and without discussing it with me,

13:59

if you can believe that. and she put out Easter

14:01

eggs for her kid, the Gary

14:03

and Jade, the adult children.

14:07

And there was like money and stuff in them. So I'm like, well,

14:09

I was gonna say, did you do the money? Where did that come from?

14:12

So yeah, and again, now that would

14:14

have definitely tainted my experience growing, or

14:16

changed my experience, I should say. If I had

14:18

had this stuff, but we had Easter

14:20

baskets, but they

14:22

were slightly larger than a

14:24

big Mac. They weren't these gigantic

14:26

things, you know? I

14:28

liked coloring eggs, boiling them, and then

14:30

eating the hard boiled eggs. That was probably my favorite part growing

14:33

up. And I hated doing

14:35

the church. So pretty

14:37

much always, still do. And did it seem

14:40

like in our youth that the bunnies were always

14:42

solid and it was rare they were hollow? Yeah,

14:44

that's definitely been a cost saving measure

14:47

over the years. Yeah, I

14:49

tell you what, you know,

14:51

give me an option. If

14:53

I go to the store, I better see,

14:55

at the very least 50-50.

14:58

And I guarantee you the solid ones will probably sell

15:00

out quicker. Yeah, like Truth In Avertising,

15:03

you know, go ahead and charge an extra $5, but you

15:05

make sure it says on that thing, hollow or solid.

15:08

Right, exactly. I'll pay the up

15:10

charge. But

15:13

I wanna know what I'm getting into.

15:15

Turn in heat, have no conscience,

15:18

no resistance. You

15:21

gotta see the big reaction,

15:24

no resistance. Sub-brain

15:27

sex, new way of life. Your heart

15:29

and your throat and the other side.

15:32

Your real piss and piss and blood. Piss

15:36

enough for seven days. No

15:40

resistance. No

15:43

resistance. No,

15:46

children. You

15:53

can't control them. You wanna walk in the way, in

15:55

the way. You're always gonna walk

15:57

away. Children. You

16:00

get the drugs

16:02

while they're running

16:04

away Children in heat

16:06

and young little kids who

16:12

see them burning They

16:15

all change the name to Chicago

16:19

No resistance, no

16:22

resistance, no resistance

16:24

Children in heat and

16:28

young little kids who can't

16:35

control them while they're walking

16:37

away Children in heat and young little

16:40

kids who see

16:47

them burning They're always

16:49

gonna run away Children

16:52

in heat and young little

16:56

kids who are

16:59

running away Children in

17:01

heat and young little kids

17:07

who can't control

17:09

them while they're

17:11

walking away Yeah,

17:27

I think that's it. It's rules recently and it has shortened the

17:29

games. Now, when was the last time...

17:32

Yes. I got two questions for you. So the first

17:34

one is when was the last time you closed the bar

17:37

and you actually heard last call?

17:40

Back in my band days. Okay, so you...

17:43

But as of... How about this? Just

17:46

as a social evening, like you weren't gigging,

17:48

you weren't playing, you were just at a bar till close. Probably

17:51

around that same time, a little bit earlier I'd say maybe 2018. Going

17:54

to see other people's bands perform. Fair enough.

17:57

That counts. What about this? When

17:59

was the last time you...

17:59

got liquored up at a sporting event?

18:02

Oh, I refuse to. I can't afford that. OK. So

18:05

now it's been a long

18:08

time for me on both of them. Probably

18:11

I was in a band the last time

18:13

I was in a band. Even in Nashville,

18:16

we left before they closed.

18:19

Because I went pretty hard pretty much every weekend

18:21

that we do that. But I don't think I've ever stayed till actual

18:23

bar close. And hotel

18:25

bars do not count. They close in at 11 or something

18:27

like that. But in

18:29

the late 20s, early 30s, I was

18:34

going to basically every Viking game. And

18:39

if there was 10 games, I was drunk

18:41

by third quarter at eight of them. So

18:44

I have some experience there. But it was a little more

18:46

affordable, believe it or not. The

18:49

last, I think, half a dozen times I've been

18:51

to a sporting event, I haven't had a drink. Just

18:54

because you get to that point where it's like, I just,

18:58

well, first of all, I'm older. I don't necessarily need

18:59

it. I'd rather get something to eat before

19:02

the game and just go watch the game. But

19:04

here's where I'm going. Basically,

19:06

liquor sales and football cut off at the third quarter.

19:09

Hockey, I think it's just they have a certain

19:12

little buffer period into the third period. You

19:14

can still get a drink, but then they cut them off. And

19:16

in baseball, it's been traditionally the seventh

19:19

inning. After the seventh inning, you can no longer get

19:21

an alcoholic drink. The idea is they

19:23

want people to sober up a little bit before they get

19:25

in their cars and drive home.

19:27

Not a bad rule, but they've changed

19:30

the rules in baseball now that the games are going too fast.

19:33

And people are like,

19:35

well, what the hell, man? I'm

19:37

only on beer three. I usually get five.

19:40

So they've changed the rules. Now you get to through the

19:42

eighth inning. And

19:45

I saw an article from Deadspin

19:47

that basically blamed it on the alcoholics. And

19:50

I'm like, no, this is

19:52

all about the mighty dollar, baby. There

19:55

are people who sign leases, multi-year

19:57

leases

19:57

to be one of the concessions at these states. stands

20:00

for this one reason for

20:02

those 81 twins home games,

20:04

right? And they're suddenly seeing a

20:07

whatever the dollar amount

20:08

gone because the game is

20:10

going too fast. And now suddenly they have

20:13

like recourse to go, we need to negotiate

20:15

renegotiate the terms of our agreement

20:18

because I'm not getting what I paid for,

20:20

uh, initially. So yeah,

20:22

they, they've, uh, I think they,

20:25

I think major league baseball teams are

20:27

trying to get ahead of that and go, you

20:29

know what? Let's just sell longer. I agree.

20:32

I agree wholeheartedly with that whole statement.

20:35

That's there's,

20:35

there's no way it was done

20:38

for anything more than just the almighty

20:40

dollar. Well, anyway, I don't know. Like

20:42

I said that because if it was up to the fans, Baco, they'd be

20:44

serving that they'd be serving a 10th inning.

20:46

It was up to the fans. It would cost more than $5

20:48

to get a beer. That

20:51

too. Exactly. Even that, or you

20:53

at least get a punch card. Once you get so many beers,

20:55

your next one's free. Oh man. I still

20:58

like that thing that I saw at a, at a county

21:00

fair in Rushford, Minnesota,

21:02

uh, where basically like

21:04

if you, if you go up to the beer vendor with 10

21:07

empty cups, you get a free beer.

21:10

And what that did was make sure

21:10

that nobody littered.

21:12

There was no cleanup crew. You saved on all

21:14

that stuff. The place looks better and

21:17

you know, some of your really desperate

21:19

drunks, they go around picking up that way guys

21:21

like you and me can just throw those fuckers on the ground.

21:23

And then, uh, LC is scooping

21:25

up behind us or maybe Nate, maybe I should take

21:27

a cheap shot at your co-host, uh, needs scooping

21:29

up behind us to take it to get his free

21:31

beer.

21:33

Nate doesn't drink though. So that's okay.

21:35

Do it just on the, to keep the earth clean. Yeah.

21:37

And then let's let's face it at

21:40

a county fair in Southern Minnesota, they're not going to have

21:42

anything else he's going to drink. Uh, yeah,

21:44

most likely they did that. Actually a Bach Fest

21:47

down in Newell, Minnesota at the shells brewery.

21:49

They had the same thing. You'd collect all the,

21:52

all of the, uh, the cups.

21:54

And I don't remember how many you had to turn in

21:56

to get a free one, but

21:57

I basically was not going to be there long

21:59

enough.

21:59

drink that much,

22:01

it was more for group events. So I would

22:03

just hand my cups to people that

22:05

I saw that were collecting

22:07

and help them get

22:09

liver

22:10

damage. I'm not sure, because

22:13

the enormity of the beer drink might have made this

22:17

more cost prohibitive as something to offer.

22:19

Maybe you just changed the volume of cup. But

22:22

why aren't it like, I remember Ozfest, you basically

22:24

left that at the end of it, it was just

22:26

a sea of fucking beer cups.

22:29

If you were doing that all day, even if

22:31

you said it was 50, people would be picking

22:34

those fuckers up to go get that, at the

22:36

time, a $4 beer. God, was

22:38

it that cheap? Oh yeah. Oh, I still

22:40

have

22:40

a written budget somewhere for my Ozfest.

22:43

Nice. Get that autographed? Who's

22:47

going to autograph it to me? Wally

22:53

the beer man? $35 for car insurance, $20 for groceries, $200

22:55

for beer at Ozfest. Ah,

23:01

I got you. I had the priorities

23:04

right. I'm going

23:06

to shift gears on some of these other topics I wanted

23:08

to get into. Metallica

23:10

has got their new record coming up. By the time this episode

23:12

comes out, their

23:15

album, 72 Seasons

23:17

Will Be Out,

23:21

they were on Howard Stern.

23:24

They were talking about the

23:27

snippet I watched was basically the creation of the Inter

23:29

Sandman riff and how Kirk initially

23:31

wrote it and what Lars suggested they change it to.

23:33

The conversation just, it

23:38

connected with me in a way that I think maybe you

23:40

can appreciate because it's on a guitar level sense.

23:43

And also being in a band where you're like, you're

23:45

doing things a lot. You're playing a song

23:48

over and over again, right? Where he basically says,

23:51

so we decided to repeat that main riff three

23:53

times or four times or whatever it is.

23:55

He knows how to play it and

23:58

he played it. He's not going to...

23:59

fuck it up but he just at the top of it at the

24:02

three times or four times who fucking

24:04

cares. I think something like that might seem

24:06

odd to somebody who

24:08

doesn't go through that it's almost like like how do you not remember

24:10

what album your song is on because I'm a nerd

24:13

who that's all I care about. I

24:15

think as it's weird as a musician how like

24:17

that does sometimes how how your brain works

24:20

is like

24:21

whatever it's however many times I play

24:23

it is how long it is I just

24:25

it's that muscle memory. Yeah

24:27

it's instinct it's you've done it enough

24:29

to where you could be thinking about did

24:31

I turn off the stove and then dad

24:33

and then you're right

24:36

back to repeating that riff however many more times

24:38

you don't need to know because it's just built India

24:41

especially how many thousands of times they've played

24:43

it. God

24:44

well even for myself that song that

24:47

was a great thing you get the analogy about the

24:49

stove. Well you and I like whipped

24:52

it out for a bit on Sun's out Mike's out the

24:55

I think the Andy Shell was sick episode where

24:58

we just basically played guitar and you know

25:01

played one minute of songs for an hour. It's

25:04

still one of my favorite episodes I think it's a blast to listen

25:06

to you but that song in particular

25:09

by the time I was in an organized band and we were

25:11

doing covers and we said you know we might as well do

25:13

it we all know how to fucking play

25:14

it. We don't nobody has to go home and

25:17

learn it. Nobody has to show anybody and

25:19

we could never pull it together because everybody

25:22

got so damn bored. That is definitely like one

25:24

of those songs that like your mind drifts

25:26

away and

25:27

now while you might be able to talk

25:29

to the most of my memory I'm sure I could you know

25:32

not miss a part or anything like that. What

25:34

happens is if you aren't already like Metallica

25:36

tight at it you'll never get there

25:39

if you're already sick of it because there was a lot of

25:41

other songs when we were doing covers that like after

25:43

we learned them and got good at them

25:45

I'd be like just zoning

25:48

off about some random bullshit and also I'm

25:50

like oh wait a second was that the second chorus

25:53

I'd I've just been flowing through

25:55

the song singing it playing it

25:58

and I don't even know if I'm supposed to sing or

25:59

it's going to a guitar solo next. I

26:03

think I've had those moments too where I basically

26:06

just start looking at the other guys going, okay, I'm going to

26:08

see where they go because

26:09

I'm

26:12

on another planet at the moment. I, I got

26:14

too deep into thought on this one and I totally

26:16

lost track. I'm out. I'm a train off

26:18

the track here. Let's see what the wood happens

26:20

and you know, sometimes you hit a sour note or

26:22

something, you make a wrong transition. You're

26:25

going to the course and they're going to the lead and

26:27

you're just like, Oh, okay.

26:28

Hit the riff over and over again and let

26:31

the lead

26:32

guitar player do his work. You know, so be it, but

26:35

that's the beauty of live music. You

26:37

know, you're, you're taking those chances.

26:39

Yeah. Yeah. No backing tracks with Chrysler.

26:43

It was too expensive. It

26:46

must be super easy and cheap to do now

26:48

because everybody's doing it. Yeah. Definitely cost-effective.

26:51

I was talking to, um, Oh,

26:54

it was Christian from a Pantheon, our,

26:56

our overlords here at Cobra wisdom fire. When

26:58

we were in Nashville, he's in a band. When you

27:01

mentioned his name, do you have to play like that?

27:04

Music behind you or anything? Um,

27:06

no, but going forward, that's all that's going to happen.

27:08

Thank you, Gene. Uh, that's a wonderful idea. Uh,

27:11

so yeah, Christian, he's in a cover band,

27:14

um, uh, or a band

27:16

of some sort. You know, I, I, I, the point

27:19

is that they're losing gigs to other bands and

27:21

like, he's not like he's not night ranger.

27:24

You know what I mean? You know, not like the big guys.

27:26

Uh, so

27:28

he's talking bar bands and they're losing gigs to

27:30

bands that are using basically all fucking

27:33

everything's not real. And

27:36

I'm like, really the fuck is going on,

27:38

man? It's like, I, I'm just, you know

27:40

what it is? Stupid fans.

27:42

Well, yeah, there, there is such

27:45

an apathetic view to this that I

27:47

don't get. Why doesn't

27:50

this matter to you? I

27:52

don't care if you got it. It was a free cover

27:54

band night or you paid $1,000

27:56

for a meet and greet with Motley

27:59

crew this

27:59

This one aspect of it should

28:02

matter.

28:03

And this is the, cause we're not talking about using

28:05

studio magic to pitch correct

28:08

and all this stuff. You're literally saying like, these

28:10

are dancers holding cardboard guitars. The

28:13

drums, yeah, he's hitting them, but we ain't hearing

28:15

it.

28:16

So I just don't get it. As

28:18

long as it entertains the people that

28:21

are paying for the drinks,

28:23

and the drunker they are, the better you sound

28:26

even if it is prerecorded.

28:28

I just, I don't,

28:32

I don't even know if that's- It's not right. Yeah.

28:35

Yeah. We struggle

28:37

to wrap our minds around it because it was something, it'd

28:40

be something we wouldn't entertain doing.

28:42

Right. No, yeah, I mean- And I wouldn't

28:44

entertain even going to one of those shows. If I found

28:46

the band was doing stuff like that, I'd be like, well,

28:48

what's the point of that? I want to hear talented

28:51

people perform songs that maybe I'll

28:53

enjoy.

28:54

Or maybe a new flavor or something to

28:56

it.

28:57

Right, yeah. Or the singer sings

29:00

a little bit differently. It's like, damn, that's actually

29:02

pretty cool. I like the rasp in his voice. Maybe

29:05

that was missing from the original, whatever

29:07

it might be. But obviously you're not gonna replace

29:09

that. But

29:11

it's

29:12

part of the live show. It's part of the, if

29:16

things go wrong. I mean, there's been times where

29:18

I've been at shows where it's like, I know

29:20

this part's coming up with a song and I can't wait

29:23

to see what they do with it, but I'm also

29:25

maybe a little bit nervous because here's

29:27

a chance where you can make or break

29:29

your band or at least this song. And

29:32

if you shit the bed, I might leave. Yeah.

29:37

["I'm Not Going

29:40

To Work"] ["I'm

29:56

Not Going To Work"] Don't

30:01

cry to me oh baby, you're

30:04

sitting down now don't cry

30:06

to me oh baby,

30:09

I seen you come and I was, don't cry to

30:11

me oh baby,

30:13

don't cry to me oh baby,

30:17

don't cry to me oh baby, don't

30:19

cry to me oh baby, don't

30:22

let me down now don't

30:24

cry to me oh good boy Don't

30:34

cry to me oh baby, don't

30:36

cry to me oh baby,

30:40

don't cry to me oh buddy, don't cry to me oh baby, don't cry to me oh baby, don't

30:49

cry to me oh

30:53

baby, if you want

30:57

me, and I sell from

30:59

the get

31:01

it yum, my daddy Yama Don't

31:04

cry to me oh baby, don't try

31:06

to me oh baby and

31:09

I will be

31:11

happy to tell my love up and down Don't

31:24

cry to me, ten don't cry to me Oh baby, yeah I

31:32

have to get right to the start And is it worth your pain?

31:40

Yeah,

31:44

how about the opposite end?

31:46

You know you've been on the stage you performed

31:48

Is there ever been that moment or those songs?

31:50

Because there's a handful that like There

31:53

are certain

31:55

moments I would have like if I'm gonna

31:57

fuck up tonight these are the three spots

32:00

that are highest on the

32:02

probability chart. You know what I mean?

32:05

And then like a little bit of nerve kicks

32:07

in because like, Oh my God, it's in 20 seconds.

32:09

I got to do that part that 50% of

32:11

the time I botched. Uh, did

32:13

you have anything like that?

32:16

Definitely.

32:17

But that's also a moment where your mind is

32:19

focused. Yeah. Laser. You're not thinking about,

32:22

did I get the laundry done before I left the house?

32:25

It's completely in the moment.

32:27

Like here comes that part,

32:29

but you got to also make sure you're not over

32:32

stressing yourself about it because you will fuck

32:34

yourself up. If you're convincing yourself

32:36

that you're going to do that and

32:38

sometimes you just got to kind of Jedi that thing, man.

32:41

Just let it flow. Let it go. You've been rehearsing

32:43

it

32:43

and

32:44

let your fingers do the work and get through

32:46

it. And there are times where, yeah, maybe a squawk

32:48

a note or something. And then there's times where you get to the

32:50

other side of that you hit the ski ramp and you

32:52

land and you hit that perfect landing and you're

32:55

like, fuck yeah, man, that was awesome. And

32:57

all the, all the bands are looking and you're kind of getting each other.

32:59

The high, high fives. You look at each other like, yeah,

33:01

did you see that? Yeah, we did it. Yeah.

33:04

There was one that I found

33:06

basically, I just punted on after

33:09

a few because, uh, on this, I'll,

33:11

I'll, I'll explain here in a second, but you talked about like landing

33:13

the perfect thing

33:14

as opposed to crashing. I basically

33:16

crashed out of the gates on this almost every

33:19

time we played it live. And it's the solo for Detroit

33:21

rock city. I have played the shit

33:23

out of that. Right. But it's the, that, the,

33:26

that very first note, basically

33:29

that done on a,

33:31

so every band I've been in that played that I

33:33

would be the second guitar that came in harmony on

33:36

the second half. Right. And it's

33:38

just that, just that beginning done.

33:40

And, if I hit that,

33:43

everything was fine. But, and

33:45

we got to the point with Jesus Christ, or like

33:48

I was like almost always hitting in practice.

33:50

We're good. We're good. We're good. And then

33:52

every time we went live, it's like my

33:55

just mind fucked myself. It was like,

33:58

I was

33:58

like, I would just not play

34:01

and like let treble finish the solo. So

34:03

what we ended up doing, cause we liked playing the song,

34:06

we made a medley. We went right into Deuce

34:08

right there instead of doing the solo.

34:13

Art medley is awesome to cover up

34:15

your... Yeah, I enjoy medleys

34:17

and I think they're fun for the audience cause it's a quick

34:19

way to like spend seven, eight minutes and

34:22

hit three kind of like bangers. But

34:25

that one was definitely a clever way to

34:28

work around something that for whatever reason, when

34:30

I was standing in front of one person, 50 people, 100

34:34

people, I just couldn't do it. I

34:36

could do it by myself, I could do everything. I'd

34:39

stand in front of a mirror and do it. I could replicate it with

34:41

a loud stereo.

34:43

Like I'm alive, I'm in fucking

34:46

Detroit stage, you know? But once

34:48

it got real,

34:49

I just, my mind said, you ain't doing this, fucker.

34:52

You can't pull this shit off.

34:55

What do you think you're doing, man? You

34:57

can't do this. Hey! So

35:00

how long were you squawking it on stage before you

35:02

finally said, you know what, let's medley this

35:04

bitch. As far as just,

35:06

you say squawk. No, these were,

35:08

to me a squawk known as like something that like most

35:11

people won't even notice. Your bandmates

35:14

notice, but the audience doesn't. I

35:16

would basically like this, if anybody's

35:18

got video, we have to pull it down bad.

35:22

I would say three or four times we gave it a shot.

35:25

And then I said, that's enough. I'm

35:27

not, let's try

35:29

this. That way we can still play the song, we get the bulk

35:32

of it, and then also we kick in to deuce. Did you

35:34

do other

35:35

dual guitar work than in other songs? You

35:37

know, I'm trying to think about that. There had to be a couple other,

35:39

oh you know what, American

35:42

band. Do, do,

35:44

do, do, do, do, do,

35:47

do, do, do, do. No

35:49

Thin Lizzy?

35:50

We didn't ever touch on Thin Lizzy.

35:53

There's a couple Chrysler tunes where there's a

35:55

couple of dual harmony parts that are just

35:57

kind of like, you know, melodic kind of.

35:59

almost the Thin Lizzy kind of stuff, but

36:02

yeah, it wasn't the dual

36:05

harmony for whatever reason.

36:06

I just mind-fucked myself to the point that

36:09

I got really cowardice with it. Did

36:12

you ever try where you started

36:14

the section?

36:15

Yeah, and that wasn't good. I didn't

36:18

like it. Oh, damn. I'm

36:20

starting to help you out. The problem there is

36:22

that it was in a different position that I would

36:25

basically have to relearn it

36:27

because it's

36:30

basically the same notes, but it's played much

36:32

differently because it's a brilliantly

36:35

written piece because it isn't just a note-for-note

36:37

octave difference. The

36:43

octaves go on both sides of each other, if

36:45

that makes sense to the listener. Probably to you, it does.

36:49

One note, it's high, and another note, it's a low. It's

36:51

depending on which guitar

36:53

part you're playing.

36:56

For the real nerd, there's actually

36:58

four guitars on the studio version,

37:01

and they're all playing their own different little

37:04

octave part. I learned that back

37:06

in the day just when I was just

37:08

killing time, trying to learn how to play

37:10

guitar.

37:11

That was really fun, for

37:14

whatever reason. It is what it is.

37:16

It's almost

37:18

embarrassing because it's a kiss song because that

37:20

shit is basically my DNA. Once

37:24

I get it,

37:25

I'm usually basically good to go for

37:27

quite a while. I find now

37:29

that it's been almost 10 years that

37:31

I do have to relearn things if I want to jam it

37:33

a little bit. I'll remember a bulk,

37:36

but that's a little different than what I'm talking

37:38

about.

38:02

Oh, and the gnarly

38:05

sighs Oh,

38:11

and the fight of

38:13

the man will die

38:18

Oh, and the

38:20

trust is vast Dead

38:25

right through, coming round Dead

38:34

right through Dead

38:43

right through, coming

38:45

round Dead

38:49

right through, coming

38:52

round Dead

38:59

right through, coming round I'd

39:04

like to

39:04

welcome Gene Vogel to the program from

39:07

the Disciples

39:10

of the Watch podcast. I never gave you a proper

39:12

introduction. Fuck it. There it is.

39:13

Everybody knows you.

39:15

You've been on so damn much. I would

39:18

think so. Third mic. Anyway,

39:21

one of you guys' recent episodes,

39:23

you were kind enough to ask me to chime in on, which was

39:25

ranking

39:27

all the dancing records. You've been a bonnet to these episodes, and

39:29

as it's grown, you've drawn in more polls

39:32

to come up with a algorithm to give you a different ranking.

39:37

I'll

39:40

all what I did with the grunge

39:42

ranking. I took everybody that was

39:44

a guest on Whatever, Never Mind and

39:46

saved that for the very end. That

39:48

was a little more drawn out. We didn't really

39:51

get a result until the last episode. But

39:53

you do this basically in kind of a

39:56

smaller version of that. But I was taken

39:59

aback

39:59

by Gene Vogel.

39:59

two things. One, do

40:02

you not know how to pronounce these record names? I

40:05

was like screaming out the window. I think

40:08

I ran over three squirrels while

40:10

you're trying to pronounce a loose

40:13

a few. Luckily,

40:15

we got lots of squirrels in our area, so we're

40:17

good. I didn't notice

40:19

anything. The other thing was I was a little

40:22

miffed that ... I actually

40:24

understand the logic, but I think when you look

40:26

at the bigger picture, it should have been included

40:28

in that as the Danzig EP, Thrall

40:31

Demon Sweat Live. Now,

40:33

there is another record that you didn't even bring up.

40:36

He has a Lost

40:38

Tracks 2CD set,

40:40

which I would not have included, by the way.

40:44

For die-hard Danzig fans,

40:45

it's great. First of all, one disc is

40:47

almost all

40:49

unreleased stuff from the original

40:52

four records.

40:54

You have that classic lineup, Chuck Biscuit, Siri Yvonne,

40:56

and John Christ.

40:59

The rest of it is pretty good. Here's

41:02

my argument, and then I'm going to kick it to you to kick

41:04

back at me here. You probably

41:07

wouldn't have been doing that episode if it wasn't for

41:10

the Thrall EP. I'll call it from here

41:12

forward. It was the

41:14

one that broke the band. It got them on MTV.

41:17

That's the mother version that everybody is used

41:19

to seeing. That video is played nonstop.

41:22

It really catapulted Danzig

41:26

into his own stratosphere.

41:29

I've read a couple interviews. I like the way he put it.

41:31

It was the first time in his career where

41:34

it's like people caught up to what he was doing

41:36

while he was still doing it. In other words,

41:39

the Misfits never had any commercial

41:41

success or any of the marketing

41:43

success they have now while they're the Misfits.

41:46

Same with Sam Hayne. That became a little more popular

41:49

after the

41:49

fact. Danzig was the one thing he did that

41:51

actually got popular while he was still doing it. If

41:54

it were not for the CP,

41:56

you're probably doing a

41:58

ranking for records.

41:59

It helped to shine a light on

42:02

the work that they were doing.

42:04

Or that had been done. Cause this is where there are

42:06

three albums in at this point, right?

42:08

Yeah, the, this is between how

42:10

the gods kill and a four P.

42:13

Correct. So he's

42:15

already got a following that he's

42:17

building. Obviously there's people who's coming from,

42:20

from his previous works. If they're into it, then

42:22

they're following him with this as well. I'm

42:24

obviously it's not going to completely appeal

42:27

to everybody because it's, it is different

42:29

than what he had done in his previous works. But

42:31

his voice is very distinctive

42:33

and some people are drawn to that. And

42:35

that helps.

42:37

Now for me, my fandom began

42:39

when the second album was out and

42:42

I have a feeling, and I'm not positive on this.

42:46

What was the fidge? Well, yeah, loose a pitch.

42:50

You had a couple of different ones in there. It's like later

42:52

on you hit it with loose a few, but like when you're actually

42:55

talking about the record for the first time, it

42:57

was kind of fun listening to that. Yeah. And I'm pretty sure it's

42:59

just dead red death red Sabbath. Not

43:02

that same sub ao. So Bay of, okay.

43:04

So I look at the way that one I'm

43:06

going to say

43:07

might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure. So,

43:11

okay. Understandable. So, but

43:14

my fandom began before the

43:16

EP

43:17

and then obviously everything exploded because

43:19

of the EP more people were paying

43:21

attention to it and such. So definitely

43:24

if anybody who hasn't checked out the

43:26

disciples of the watch program

43:28

that breaks down the Danzig basically

43:30

counting kind of down from 10 to one and going

43:33

through everything is

43:35

definitely worth the listen. It was a lot of fun.

43:38

Part of me wanted to be kind of offended

43:40

by the final ranking. I think I told you this when

43:43

we talked last weekend, but

43:45

yes, it's I you

43:47

literally read my words back to me. I'm like,

43:49

it is really, you can make an argument

43:51

for the one, two and three honestly,

43:55

and I'd probably be okay with it. I was surprised

43:57

though when you did the, the average.

43:59

ranking that the debut record moved

44:02

to three. So that

44:04

was a little bit of a weird. But yeah, back to Thrall.

44:06

Come on. This thing fucking peaked

44:09

while

44:10

Nirvana, Alice

44:12

in Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden were

44:14

dominating everything. And Tara. All.

44:17

Yeah. What's your point there?

44:19

I just was mentioning Pantera. You were talking

44:21

about the grunge stuff and

44:23

it's like, well, there was still a

44:25

few bands out there still doing it. They're

44:27

still having success in Pantera. The

44:29

band that already had success, Danzig, hadn't.

44:33

Guns N' Roses did okay in the early stages of

44:35

grunts. Tesla, their biggest record is

44:37

the five-man acoustical jam. Again, a band

44:39

that already had kind of cracked

44:43

that barrier of pop

44:46

culture. Nobody was talking about

44:48

Danzig.

44:49

None of his records went gold.

44:51

When I say nobody,

44:53

I don't mean that figuratively. He probably had a decent

44:56

touring career with playing clubs and

44:58

things like that. But Danzig,

45:01

basically, his biggest fucking moment

45:05

that took him from don't know who he is

45:07

to love this shit

45:08

was right in the heart of grudge. And he's wearing tight black

45:11

pants, no shirt, fucking a

45:13

ridiculous belt buckle. He is not

45:16

fucking fitting the mold

45:18

of grunge on any level

45:20

other than to be different. You know what

45:22

I mean? It was a breath of fresh air to people,

45:24

I think, when you and I first heard him. Well,

45:26

anyway, Gene,

45:29

you're my boy. You said, you know what? You

45:32

agreed to come on so we can just talk about this record

45:34

as a way to, I don't know, is this

45:36

you making it up to me? Or maybe

45:39

you're just, what do they call it, pandering to me? No,

45:44

you set out the bat signal. You said

45:46

you needed somebody up and I stepped

45:48

up to the plate. Frankly, your show gave me material

45:51

for today. There you go. Thank you

45:53

very much. And all the best to you, Nate. Love

45:55

to listen to some of your comments. And yeah, it

45:57

was kind of cool when he talked about that.

45:59

the way how the God

46:02

skill comes off live was actually a highlight of

46:04

that episode for me too. Other

46:07

than that, I just basically blacked out and

46:09

tell you said, Bakko said, and then that was all

46:11

I was like. Yeah, the ears burnt

46:13

up again. That's

46:16

why I tried to fit that in as much as I can, even if you're

46:18

not contributing a list. Oh, well, I should listen more

46:20

often then. All

46:22

right, so Thrall, Demon's Sweat Live, is

46:24

the EP from Danzig. It

46:27

came out on May 25th, 1993.

46:29

Now, a story I remember that I couldn't find

46:32

going looking back is that like they

46:34

came back from a Japanese tour and a drummer,

46:36

Chuck Biscuits, was apparently needing

46:39

it of some cash. So the idea

46:41

was to do this and throw this together quick

46:43

to get kind of advanced from the record company. The

46:45

record company balked at it, with the record

46:47

company being Rick Rubin. He says, nobody

46:50

buys EPs and Danzig countered

46:52

with Metallica just dropped,

46:54

whatever, a few years prior to this, that Garage

46:57

Day is saying, and it went like double platinum. And

46:59

so Rick says,

47:00

let's give it a shot.

47:02

Now that might be kind of like one of those like, you

47:06

know, folklore kind of stories where we come up with

47:08

a cool PR reason for why we did something.

47:10

It kind of has that vibe to it. But all

47:13

right, so break it down. The first three songs

47:15

are all studio recordings. You said it very

47:17

well. They basically went in and recorded live as a band

47:20

with Danzig coming in and hitting the vocals after

47:22

the fact. And they

47:24

am punching in like guitar souls and stuff with

47:26

the second half, the next four

47:29

songs. So seven total,

47:30

uh, being live tracks of just kind of

47:32

a, uh, I think it's actually a good representation

47:35

because there's no, like,

47:37

you're not getting how the gods kill. You're not getting,

47:40

you know, twisted cane. Uh, you're

47:42

not getting, uh, uh, killer

47:44

wolf for, you know, one of the bigger songs.

47:46

They're all fairly deep except for mother,

47:50

which is probably even at that point, probably

47:52

his biggest song. Do you own the CD

47:55

gene? I thought I did

47:57

either. I loaned it to somebody and never got it back

47:59

or I lost.

47:59

track of it. So tell me if you know this. Back

48:02

in the day on CD players, I think it

48:04

was called an index. So if it said track

48:07

one, it said track one, like dot one or

48:09

like, so it was like one dot one or one

48:11

dash one, depending on the brand of CD player

48:14

you had. And there was

48:16

ways that bands, they very

48:18

rarely took advantage of, but you could put

48:20

hidden songs in there. Like you couldn't go, cause

48:22

you could go up to your CD player and go, I'm going to skip to track

48:25

three. But anytime you did that, you would skip

48:27

over any indexing unless you had one of those early

48:29

CD

48:29

players that actually had an index button.

48:33

My first CD player did not a single one after

48:35

it did. This is

48:37

tied to that similar technology, but did you

48:39

know that there is a remixed

48:42

version of the original studio recording of

48:44

mother at the end of this and

48:47

it's called mother 93 and it came out

48:49

because it came out in 93 and

48:53

it's the 93rd track on the CD,

48:55

but

48:56

you cannot skip to it.

48:58

You have to play it. If you skip it, it'll

49:00

go one through seven and then start over. There is a,

49:02

there is a way around that. Okay. Well, depending on your CD

49:04

player, uh, you fast forward.

49:07

Well, right. Yeah.

49:09

But then you're holding your fast forward button down until you

49:11

get to you're familiar with what I'm talking about then. And you

49:13

know, this existed in there. Okay. So,

49:15

so for people listening at home, basically you have

49:17

to listen to six minutes and 66 seconds

49:20

of silence

49:22

and it just, and you, you watch

49:24

your CD player, it'll slowly count from eight

49:27

to 93 and then at 93 plays

49:30

the studio version of mother. I thought that was amazing.

49:32

I love the, just the, the secret angle

49:35

of that, uh, that almost Easter egg thing

49:37

before we talked about Easter eggs on DVDs

49:40

and CDs and podcasts.

49:42

Yeah. It was that quote unquote hidden track.

49:44

Yeah. Yeah. And it really

49:46

wasn't hidden cause not basically hidden tracks. Uh,

49:49

for the most part are just the only reason

49:51

it's hidden cause they didn't print the name on the album

49:53

cover.

49:54

You can just skip, skip to it. You know

49:57

what I mean? Uh, that's the one you just couldn't.

49:59

Yeah.

49:59

being fast forwarding to me isn't

50:02

really a workaround. You're still playing a

50:04

fucking bunch of dead space. Yeah,

50:06

you're speeding up the process, but it's still,

50:09

that's the only way. You can't just put

50:11

the CD in and go, I wanna hear that,

50:13

and go bam to 93. Now

50:16

overall, are you a fan of these buried

50:18

tracks hidden after a bunch of dead

50:20

space or whatnot? Yep, 100%.

50:24

Yeah, see, I didn't have time for that. I

50:26

was glad when MP3's eliminated all that BS.

50:28

Come on. The

50:31

magic, the art, the... In

50:35

this case, I'm gonna give a pass because

50:37

like you said,

50:39

six minutes, 66 seconds of dead

50:42

space. And then in 1993, you're

50:44

getting the...

50:46

1993, did they do anything to

50:48

it differently, musically, or was it just

50:51

basically covering copies? It's basically a

50:53

remastered, let's just call it that. Yeah,

50:55

there's nothing too special about that,

50:57

other than that it's, you have to

51:00

go through the process, and

51:02

if you're an impatient little dweeb who

51:05

can't fucking deal with anything, you're

51:07

gonna miss it. And that's the other thing, is that like,

51:09

you're gonna get it, and a lot of people

51:12

aren't. And that's what's kinda neat about it.

51:14

The cover, it's just kinda some

51:17

naked beast stabbing with big

51:19

boobs, so it's female, wearing that

51:21

weird Danzig skull, with the Danzig skull

51:25

floating in the background too, with a

51:27

big old, I don't know, certainly a sword, maybe a

51:29

giant dagger

51:30

killing some sort of man beast. I'd

51:33

say that's a short sword. Okay, short sword,

51:36

all right, fair enough. And another

51:38

one of the weird Danzig album names, Thrall

51:42

is the first three songs, and Demon Sweat Live

51:44

is the live tracks. Of the

51:46

four tracks, before we go track

51:48

by track, I will tell you, the three

51:51

of them are my preferred versions of

51:53

listening to these songs. Oh

51:56

really? One exception being Mother, I prefer the studio

51:58

version. All right, so it opens.

51:59

up with a song called I it's coming down.

52:32

It's

52:35

coming down.

52:40

It's coming down.

52:46

You know, I should have

52:46

asked you, you know, as tribute to the whatever

52:49

never remember in the mind series to come up with

52:51

a rating system. Do you have some kind of weird Danzig

52:53

rating system you want to just randomly throw as we go

52:55

here?

52:56

Like, what do we call it?

52:59

I give this five shirtless

53:01

Danzig's. Oh,

53:03

damn it. I

53:04

can't believe I didn't think of that. You

53:06

got a different one we can go with it. No,

53:08

that works. Out of, we're

53:11

talking out of five? Yeah, five out of five

53:13

for me. I'll just kick it to you. It's coming

53:15

down. You're giving that five out of five shirtless

53:18

Danzig's? Yeah.

53:19

Oh, wow.

53:21

I can't go that high. I'm gonna go three and a half shirtless

53:24

Danzig's.

53:25

Maybe a shirt, three shirtless Danzig in the

53:27

shirtless Eerie. Well,

53:32

that might bring it up to a four and a half. I think you're as

53:34

much taller. Yeah,

53:38

we didn't pregame. I don't know what they

53:40

will. You know what? We'll let the listeners kind

53:42

of decide how it makes sense as we go. But I

53:45

love this song. I think it's a great tune. It's

53:47

called marine down.

53:49

It is. I

53:50

would like to have seen this get a little bit more attention

53:53

like

53:53

do, do, uh, like they would have done

53:56

with a Danzig two or Danzig three. Give

53:58

it a, you know, a little more

53:59

polish because yeah it definitely is a song that

54:02

could use or that was definitely

54:04

worthy this could have been on a full

54:06

length album it's a good song. Just

54:09

as far as the output of it

54:11

and the sound of it I could use a little bit more

54:14

less drip down

54:16

version from my ears. I

54:18

wonder how much Rick Rubin

54:20

actually committed to the production of this because

54:23

while I do think that like

54:25

when Danzig started I think that first

54:27

Danzig record is the beginning

54:29

of the sound that people often identify

54:31

with Rick Rubin and I'm including like the

54:33

Red Hat Chili Peppers, Blood Sugar, Sex

54:35

Magic you know what I mean? That kind of flat

54:38

guitar not

54:41

a ton of saturation with effects on the vocals

54:43

delivered like not a lot of overdubbing

54:46

on his vocals are very clean

54:48

and clear you know a big reason by people like

54:50

that Johnny Cash thing but at this

54:52

point

54:53

it almost seems like Rick Rubin will just stamp

54:55

his name on anything that comes out on his record.

54:59

I gotta believe the engineer Bruno

55:01

Tataglia

55:03

that's like me

55:06

reading a Danzig title for you

55:08

or something like that whatever

55:10

I gotta believe he probably had a lot more input

55:13

than Rick but I really don't know. Probably

55:18

there's one thing here I noticed it says

55:20

the unsattered version of the It's Coming Down

55:22

music video was banned by music

55:24

channels including a tune due to its

55:27

sexually explicit

55:29

content.

55:30

The music

55:32

video depicts various acts of bondage,

55:35

sadomasochism and cock and

55:37

ball torture which I think isn't that

55:40

what basically MTV became

55:42

known for

55:43

years later all of that? The whole band

55:45

video thing is kind of funny to me because

55:48

we just talked about Kiss Asylum but I know that

55:50

supposedly the Who Wants to Be

55:52

Lonely music video is banned and

55:54

my joke was it was banned because that song sucks

55:56

and they don't want to play it. Not

55:59

for any overt section.

55:59

spirituality, but I remember like

56:02

shares video turn back time

56:05

Yeah, that was yeah, that was a that was

56:07

a time filler It

56:11

filled something but yeah like it literally wouldn't

56:13

be shown until like 7 p.m But

56:16

then it would be shown like basically every 45 minutes I

56:19

didn't realize there was a time limit on that one

56:21

that

56:21

it could be shown till later in the evening for whatever

56:23

reason I know that actually happened Now

56:26

maybe it made that like MTV top 10

56:28

video list when it was popular They would squeeze

56:31

it in there and

56:32

the Madonna video that I always

56:34

like to talk about masturbating to You

56:38

have to narrow that down yeah, I'm gonna have yeah, there's been

56:40

a few the one God

56:43

where she like makes out with black Jesus Like

56:47

not like a prayer like a prayer like a prayer.

56:49

Thank you I was scrambling there for

56:51

that one I know is also kind of an evening video

56:54

that we get played a ton just not like

56:56

not till 7 p.m Well that one got

56:58

a lot of backlash because Jesus was

57:00

a not a honky exactly Jesus

57:04

was accurately represented

57:06

as someone who may have come from the region Jesus is known

57:08

for

57:11

Listen to the beginning part we talked about Easter people It

57:15

all ties together full

57:17

circle baby. Well, let's get into track

57:19

to the violet fire

57:44

Oh I'm

58:24

gonna

58:26

go

58:26

four tiny Danzigs.

58:32

I'm

58:34

a little less hyped on this one. I'm gonna go

58:37

three

58:37

tiny Danzigs on

58:39

this one. I think this is

58:41

a great tune man. It's

58:43

no it's no it's coming down. Let's just say

58:45

that. Well it's the second track

58:48

you know I mean it's coming down kicks you in the

58:50

face and gets things riled up and now

58:52

it's like valid fire. That

58:54

was a good impersonation you just did there. You should

58:56

cut an album. I did. I threw

58:59

it on the Edie Rivon the part two of

59:01

my interview. If you listen to part two of my

59:03

Rivon I've told the story before but for anybody

59:05

who hasn't there is a version of Twist

59:07

to Cane

59:08

that I recorded everything you're

59:10

listening to guitar bass drums and

59:13

vocals.

59:14

That one means a lot to me because while

59:16

I was wrapping up a bass guy was done recording

59:19

I was doing mixing I got a phone call this

59:21

is gonna be a little sad gene

59:22

but this is just why this will never not

59:25

be the edge to my memory so I'm not looking

59:27

for a sympathy here this is it's been a while that

59:29

was when I found out my father died. It

59:31

was February 14th 2009. I was mixing my wife is at work

59:34

on Valentine's

59:37

Day. I was mixing my recording of

59:41

Twist to Cane. Anyway I threw it on the meeting

59:43

that interview.

1:00:04

the interview and someone asked what

1:00:06

version of that was they hadn't heard it before. He

1:00:09

said I don't know probably from the Sam Hain

1:00:11

box set. I'm like

1:00:13

I apparently can pull off Danzig

1:00:16

clean enough that Eryvon thinks it might

1:00:18

be from an actual

1:00:20

Danzig recording. So yeah. Well

1:00:23

done. I can do a little Danzig.

1:00:25

Yes you can. Well

1:00:27

let's get into the next song Trouble. This is the Elvis

1:00:29

Presley cover we talked about. This is from a movie

1:00:32

is all I found out on Wikipedia. Oh

1:00:35

it's right. Trying to find it here.

1:00:38

I can't remember the name of the movie. Oh King

1:00:40

Creole. King Creole Elvis

1:00:43

sings. They'll

1:00:44

be looking for trouble. Yeah

1:00:47

Danzig has been known as evil Elvis.

1:00:49

He's worn his Elvis fandom on his sleeve.

1:00:53

Unlike a lot of people because I expected to just

1:00:55

fucking hate it. I actually think Danzig

1:00:58

sings Elvis which is the most recent output

1:01:00

is not that bad.

1:01:02

I mean that's his glowing of a review I'll

1:01:05

give it to give you about it. But the

1:01:07

music seems to be recorded well and he sounds

1:01:09

decent.

1:01:10

I would have loved to hear him do Elvis

1:01:14

probably around this time though when

1:01:16

he's you know still got basically at the top of his game

1:01:18

vocally and he can really deliver it as

1:01:21

only evil Elvis can.

1:01:22

Yeah it

1:01:25

would have definitely benefited from being caught

1:01:27

when his voice was strong. This is a cool tune for

1:01:29

the longest time I had no idea was an Elvis cover because I

1:01:32

don't listen to Elvis. Oh

1:01:34

really. That's

1:01:35

interesting. Yeah I knew it

1:01:38

was an Elvis song before or

1:01:40

I knew Elvis covered it. You knew this song

1:01:42

prior to Danzig is what you're telling me.

1:01:44

Yes. Yeah because like you open the CD

1:01:46

there's nothing

1:01:48

just pictures so. Oh songwriting

1:01:50

credits anything like that. So nothing

1:01:53

to really tip you off. You know I

1:01:55

wasn't terribly surprised when I found out at

1:01:58

first I was kind of taken aback

1:01:59

I thought, well, actually, if I just picture

1:02:02

Elvis singing that, that kind of makes sense. The

1:02:04

music is going to sound a little different, which of course I

1:02:07

would eventually find out that it did. Well,

1:02:09

that wraps up. You didn't give your rating

1:02:11

on that. Oh, fair enough. How

1:02:13

about you kick off the rating on this one?

1:02:16

Oh, okay. I will give this 2.5

1:02:18

Chuck Biscuits.

1:02:22

Yeah, I'm going to go 4 Chuck Biscuits on this. All

1:02:26

these three songs average

1:02:28

out to just over a 4 on whatever

1:02:31

rating scale we're using there. So yeah,

1:02:35

I dig it a lot, man. I think these are

1:02:39

three standout studio recordings from

1:02:41

the classic Land With The Band. All right,

1:02:44

well, let's get into the Demon

1:02:46

Sweat Live version. This was recorded on Halloween

1:02:50

in 1992 at Irvine Meadows, California. So

1:02:56

the first song here comes off of, I believe,

1:02:59

God, I'm going off of memory here, Snakes

1:03:01

of Christ. That is off of Holly God's Kill,

1:03:03

yeah? No, that is Lucifuge. That is Lucifuge, okay.

1:03:49

I

1:03:49

like when bands

1:03:51

capture live moments throughout years.

1:03:54

Rush is very good about that. They've got a ton

1:03:56

of live albums

1:03:57

and they've

1:03:58

captured these

1:03:59

moments and it's nice where you can

1:04:02

you can kind of pick an era of Rush

1:04:04

and pull it a live album and enjoy

1:04:06

that

1:04:07

moment in time.

1:04:09

I wish Danzig, I wish a lot of other bands would

1:04:12

would take advantage of that. Did you ever hear

1:04:14

the double CD live album

1:04:16

from Danzig?

1:04:20

I want to say yes. I think I think Nate and

1:04:22

I

1:04:24

listened to it.

1:04:25

That's pretty good but it's been

1:04:27

a lesson if memory serves it's not just

1:04:29

the original four. It's a combination of like

1:04:32

just shortly after and I was gonna

1:04:35

say yeah I was like I thought it was a compilation

1:04:37

of something. Anyway for another episode. And

1:04:39

it sounds I think it's hard to get. Yeah it

1:04:41

took me a while to get mine. I finally stumbled across

1:04:44

to it and it's a punch out copy too.

1:04:46

You know what I mean? So it has that little giant

1:04:50

paper punch hole in it but I was

1:04:52

like fuck I missed the opportunity to combine

1:04:54

it at the time.

1:04:55

By the way yeah people if

1:04:57

Danzig releases a box of something

1:05:02

go get it where it comes out right away

1:05:04

because it's gonna be gone quick

1:05:06

and like because I know that Samhain box

1:05:09

that goes for hundreds

1:05:11

of dollars and

1:05:13

even though he really re-released

1:05:16

all the Samhain stuff on CD

1:05:18

in the late 90s right

1:05:21

around the time that he did that tour with just Danzig and

1:05:23

Samhain

1:05:25

and those CDs actually

1:05:27

go for a decent kind of money not

1:05:29

hundreds but you know if you can get 20

1:05:32

bucks for a used CD that that's pretty good

1:05:34

it's somewhere in that range but.

1:05:36

Right and the problem is is if you want to add

1:05:38

to your collection later on you get then you're paying premium

1:05:41

prices so it's best to get it with

1:05:43

some of that stuff

1:05:45

get it right away because yeah you

1:05:47

may be hurting later on

1:05:50

if you decide you want to add it. Yeah

1:05:52

Snakes of Christ that's that's one of Danzig's

1:05:55

top songs for me. Of course it's off the

1:05:58

top album.

1:05:59

Yeah,

1:06:00

I'll give this one

1:06:03

five sweaty eerie Yeah,

1:06:07

and we did lose a huge on your second appearance

1:06:09

on the show for Halloween Yes,

1:06:13

and so god I should have put that together better just

1:06:15

shows that the lack of preparation from bakko today

1:06:18

I'm bringing my B game. Sorry Jane. That's okay.

1:06:20

I prefer this over

1:06:23

the the studio version But just

1:06:25

because it has a little more fire to it. You know

1:06:27

what I mean? There's just an energy there and and

1:06:30

it does really come across well I

1:06:32

like I said,

1:06:33

what did you give it five

1:06:35

five sweaty? I'm gonna

1:06:37

give it five sweaty ear evons as well.

1:06:40

This is just

1:06:41

This is

1:06:43

this and it's so cool too because it's

1:06:45

really just not

1:06:46

If you are funny, you know at Danzig for the first time

1:06:49

these are kind of deeper kind of tracks, man So

1:06:51

well done. The next one is am I

1:06:54

demon which comes off the debut record?

1:06:59

I I

1:07:44

Am I demon

1:07:44

I'm gonna give this one This

1:07:46

gives me a four John

1:07:49

Christ armbands. I'm right there with

1:07:52

you. I got four

1:07:53

John Christ armbands as well Do

1:07:55

you prefer this version or the studio version?

1:07:58

I think the studio version I think it's little

1:08:02

bit faster

1:08:03

here and I think I like the swagger

1:08:05

of the original. I've

1:08:08

already been on record. I do prefer these first

1:08:11

three songs on Live Side over their studio

1:08:14

counterparts and I'm really not a live album guy

1:08:16

so that's

1:08:18

a pretty big compliment at least

1:08:20

from my perspective.

1:08:23

So yeah, I prefer this over the studio but

1:08:25

the studio version is pretty awesome too. Next

1:08:28

up we have Sistanuz.

1:08:34

What do

1:08:38

you give this

1:08:40

one

1:08:44

Gene? This for me

1:08:46

would be...

1:08:51

We're

1:08:54

running out of metaphors.

1:08:57

I'm trying to come up with something

1:08:59

that's apropos. Let's

1:09:03

go with three bloody belt

1:09:05

buckles. Wow! Three,

1:09:07

huh?

1:09:09

Yes. Man, I love this tune. It

1:09:11

gets five bloody buckles from me. This

1:09:15

version especially is better than that. This is

1:09:17

the one that's off of How The Gods Kill. That

1:09:21

version's pretty cool. The staccato,

1:09:23

almost percussive way he plays the guitar,

1:09:25

John Christ. This

1:09:27

is evil

1:09:32

Elvis.

1:09:41

Such a cool melodic

1:09:43

song and it's just a hard

1:09:46

left turn from what you're getting at this

1:09:48

point.

1:09:50

Does it count as a ballad? Is this a ballad?

1:09:52

Yeah, I was going to say it's pretty ballady. So

1:09:55

it's like this? What is it? A dark evil

1:09:57

way.

1:09:58

to

1:10:00

do her alive is this in this. Are

1:10:02

you thinking

1:10:05

steel heart? I'll never let you go. Like it's

1:10:07

there you go. That's what I'm thinking.

1:10:10

You nailed it. You know, you keep bringing it up and I

1:10:12

want to point this out. John Christ,

1:10:15

does he get enough love?

1:10:16

Not really. But my gut

1:10:18

feeling is that there might be something to

1:10:20

that. Like as a player, Jesus,

1:10:23

what do

1:10:25

you think? Like they haven't been the same sound wise

1:10:27

since he left. I

1:10:29

think Glenn plays a lot of

1:10:31

guitar in the studio,

1:10:33

what they do now. And I think Glenn

1:10:36

just isn't that good. Like

1:10:38

he can, he can hammer out and write the song, right?

1:10:41

But then you slip in old John to actually

1:10:44

polish her up and you know, keep her on

1:10:46

time. You know, there's singers who do

1:10:48

that. They will write and then they basically

1:10:50

say, okay, here's my road. Now you take

1:10:53

it and you put your magic sauce on it

1:10:55

and then make it what we create.

1:10:57

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's very common

1:10:59

in songwriting to have kind of like, as far as

1:11:01

musically, the melody and

1:11:03

the skeleton, like the cores. And

1:11:06

then you kind of pretty it up with, with people who are

1:11:08

more talented than in you as, as a musician.

1:11:12

So well, sometimes it's a nuances in the way

1:11:14

they play. And I think John's got 100% and you

1:11:16

get Glenn can our dance. Glenn

1:11:18

will, it cannot

1:11:21

duplicate that. Nobody can duplicate

1:11:23

that. No, Glenn can kind of get back that Sam

1:11:25

Hain vibe probably. Cause I know he played

1:11:27

a little bit on that too.

1:11:30

And that's probably, and I think Tommy Victor

1:11:32

is his, his main guy in the studio now,

1:11:35

but I don't know what, cause what's,

1:11:37

what's his band? Um,

1:11:39

wrong, wrong. I don't

1:11:41

hear prong in his playing with

1:11:44

Danzig. And so I'm like,

1:11:46

God, I think maybe Tommy just comes in and hits a

1:11:48

solo. That sounds like Glenn tune the guitar for

1:11:51

him. No, he's got the, uh, the pinch

1:11:53

harmonics. He's very good at

1:11:55

that, which was great unlike skin

1:11:57

carver. But then, uh,

1:11:59

like Nate said,

1:11:59

the next album, it seemed like every song

1:12:02

had to have a lot of pinch harmonics

1:12:04

to where it was so watered down that it lost

1:12:06

its effect. Absolutely, yeah, I agree with that take

1:12:08

too. Well, this thing wraps up with what basically

1:12:11

catapults

1:12:12

Danzig into the,

1:12:13

as long as I just keep

1:12:16

being Danzig, I'll probably never have to have

1:12:18

a real job again, and that is the live

1:12:20

version of Mother.

1:12:30

Mother, tell your

1:12:32

children how to walk

1:12:35

my way. Tell your children how

1:12:37

to hear my words, what

1:12:44

they mean, what they say. Mother,

1:12:46

can you keep them in

1:12:51

the dark for life? Get out

1:12:55

of the world, Mother. I'm gonna

1:12:57

take you down the road tonight. I'm gonna

1:13:00

show you my

1:13:02

world. Mother,

1:13:12

Mother. I'm gonna find you, Mother. And

1:13:21

if you wanna

1:13:24

find me with me, I can show

1:13:26

you what I'm gonna do.

1:13:42

I heard Mother and Twisted Cane

1:13:46

on MTV, I heard Saw, whatever,

1:13:48

those two black and white videos, a very similar shot,

1:13:51

and I was blown away by both. I bought the cassette

1:13:53

the next time I was at a Best Buy,

1:13:55

and I literally, they're

1:13:57

track one on side one and

1:13:59

side too

1:14:01

and I would play those two songs

1:14:04

and nothing else for the longest time. You

1:14:07

damaged your cassette. Yeah,

1:14:10

I was like fast forward like I'd either rewind

1:14:13

and listen to the song a couple times and then

1:14:15

fast forward and listen to the other song a couple times or

1:14:17

I would just go back and forth but yeah it was very

1:14:19

cumbersome. I really wish CD I

1:14:22

had bought the CD because I didn't have a CD player at this point

1:14:25

but I wanted to hear it in my truck because I love cranking

1:14:27

it and just like driving around my little Chevy.

1:14:31

But eventually I get around to listen to the rest

1:14:33

of the record and it's basically a

1:14:36

perfect album but this song mother,

1:14:38

the first time I heard that it was,

1:14:40

this was the first song I've ever heard by Danzig. I heard

1:14:42

it from the first record. I heard it on MTV

1:14:45

and it was like

1:14:46

what the fuck. I didn't know this was

1:14:49

the guy from the Misfits. I may have heard

1:14:51

of the Misfits probably because

1:14:53

of T-shirts and Metallica. They wore Sam Heen

1:14:55

and Misfits shirts. It wasn't long before

1:14:57

I knew all that stuff but it would

1:15:00

be much longer before I'd hear any of it. It

1:15:02

wasn't like it isn't today kids and those

1:15:04

records were not going to be found too easily

1:15:07

in southern Minnesota but

1:15:09

this version of it came out and it kind of

1:15:11

rekindled. Like when this blew up

1:15:13

it was like wait a second

1:15:15

I love Danzig and now everybody else loves

1:15:17

Danzig too and now we can talk about

1:15:19

Danzig and we can do all this stuff and it

1:15:22

won't stop me from getting laid and

1:15:24

it was all cool again. So

1:15:28

this is really cool and I don't know if you know

1:15:30

this but the audio in the video

1:15:32

is not the same as the audio in the CD. That sounds

1:15:35

familiar. I don't know how many times I recorded

1:15:37

it but what you hear in the CD is not what

1:15:39

you hear in the music video. They're both live versions

1:15:42

of mother but one is kind of

1:15:44

almost put

1:15:45

together as a video like a presentation

1:15:48

and this is what they recorded

1:15:50

for the show. What was your ranking on that?

1:15:53

Is it my turn?

1:15:56

Oh God let's see here. Well

1:15:58

it's going to get a little bit of a of five

1:16:00

but we have to decide it gives five evil

1:16:03

Elvis's out of five I'm gonna go four

1:16:05

and a half evil Elvis's I'm gonna I'm

1:16:07

gonna bring it down a bit on the song in general just

1:16:09

as version just this version I

1:16:11

like the song a lot as well and luckily

1:16:14

I

1:16:15

think I've done

1:16:16

a very good fairly good job of avoiding

1:16:19

it on being overplayed

1:16:21

on the radio same to where I can

1:16:23

still enjoy the song when it comes up I

1:16:25

don't think I got it I mean yes it got a good

1:16:28

good amount of run but it's not like it's not

1:16:30

like smoke in the water and it's not like enter

1:16:33

Sandman where it was

1:16:35

correct it didn't get that

1:16:37

lovely abused yeah yeah

1:16:40

so it had its moment and I think

1:16:42

that helps to keep it fresh for those of us who

1:16:44

who enjoyed the song before it blew up

1:16:47

and want to still enjoy the song

1:16:49

years later and not feel like oh my

1:16:51

god I'm going to this again you know

1:16:54

going through well I don't have that problem I guess so

1:16:56

much with

1:16:57

smoke in the water but I get a little bit of that

1:16:59

with with like an enter Sandman I

1:17:02

actually don't think smoking the water is that good of a song

1:17:05

it's iconic but yeah

1:17:08

it's just it's not even big one correct

1:17:10

the top 20 for my deep purple list but but

1:17:14

back to this tune I you know what

1:17:16

I think you make a good point I'm gonna push

1:17:18

mine back to a four and a half because

1:17:20

this is the one track of the live stuff

1:17:22

that I prefer the

1:17:24

studio version over the live version

1:17:26

which if I'm gonna give it a five it goes

1:17:28

to the studio it takes a half point down it's 4.5

1:17:31

for me as well evil elvis evil

1:17:34

elvis says yes and then yeah

1:17:36

actually I really enjoy track 8 through

1:17:40

92 which is just 6 minutes and 66 seconds

1:17:42

of perfect silence it's actually

1:17:44

my wife's favorite song of all dancing

1:17:47

so oh

1:17:50

that's good how many

1:17:53

exposed breasts would would

1:17:54

she give this oh

1:17:56

man five

1:17:58

five exposed breasts It's

1:18:02

an awkward number but I'll accept it. Those blank songs you're

1:18:04

saying, not this song yet. Yes.

1:18:07

Yes, that moments of silence.

1:18:10

Just really though,

1:18:13

it's been so long. Guys like you and I kind of take

1:18:15

this for granted but the lyrical message in

1:18:17

this and the melody are

1:18:19

just,

1:18:20

it's like this combination of just something

1:18:22

that's so perfect and that guitar

1:18:25

tone, that just kind of like clean

1:18:27

but dirty thing you haven't really heard before

1:18:29

like

1:18:33

I just and then mother tell

1:18:35

you children not to walk my way just

1:18:37

that whole it is so

1:18:40

campy but

1:18:43

it's the same way it delivers

1:18:45

on a level that doesn't sound that

1:18:47

corny.

1:18:48

I just I don't know I think it's amazing. Right.

1:18:51

Didn't the band bring these songs to

1:18:53

the studio and they were a little bit

1:18:55

happier and Rick

1:18:56

Robyn told him to slow them down. I've heard

1:18:58

something like that. Yeah. I don't know

1:19:00

if this I don't know which songs are all of them, you know,

1:19:02

but yeah, he definitely had that like have

1:19:05

you tried pulling it down a little bit

1:19:07

and slowing it and God if

1:19:09

you act an upbeat version

1:19:12

of this thing. No, this

1:19:14

is no and that's the thing. That's

1:19:16

another thing I wanted to if that's if there's

1:19:18

truth to that I would definitely like

1:19:21

to give root root Reuben credit for having

1:19:23

the foresight to go. You know what you guys got

1:19:25

something here

1:19:26

but you're just not quite hitting

1:19:28

your mark. Let's dial it down

1:19:30

a little bit. I know biscuits I think was

1:19:32

pissy about it. He didn't care much for the

1:19:35

idea. I think he wanted to keep it a little bit more happy

1:19:37

and keep it more towards the punk side

1:19:40

of

1:19:40

of things but

1:19:42

it hit man. Well Gene as

1:19:44

always it's always good to talk to you. I don't know when

1:19:46

the oh crap I just saw you a few

1:19:48

days ago whenever that's coming out. So people check out

1:19:50

my life with in four songs with Baco

1:19:54

on Gene's disciples of the watch podcast

1:19:57

with slobber knockers and

1:19:59

sons out mics.

1:19:59

out and then we did the whole kiss thing. It

1:20:02

was like a heavy saturation with Jean

1:20:04

and Baco. So it's

1:20:06

good to have you back and

1:20:09

just. It's good to be back. Although you

1:20:11

know what you need a little trim man. The

1:20:13

hair is getting a little sloppy. You're growing it out again. Yeah

1:20:16

I figured I'd play around with a little bit and

1:20:18

see

1:20:19

see either if I get sick of it or

1:20:21

you know who knows maybe I'll discover some new hairstyle

1:20:23

that's gonna

1:20:24

give me more squish. Well

1:20:27

Jean this has been a blast. Thank you for

1:20:29

entertaining me on my love for

1:20:31

all things Dan Zag. You know we don't talk a lot

1:20:33

of Dan Zag on the show because you

1:20:35

know whatever it's just not Elsie's thing

1:20:37

which is which is cool. But I

1:20:40

did absolutely love your episode. It was a lot

1:20:42

of fun to listen to and I really

1:20:44

enjoy those episodes in general. But

1:20:47

so anyway yeah like

1:20:49

I said I've already invited myself

1:20:52

on for the kiss episode which you've not

1:20:54

even decided

1:20:54

you want to do and eventually

1:20:56

we should talk some black Sabbath. It'd be fun to rank those

1:20:59

records even though we kind of went through the whole thing and once

1:21:01

already but kind of tighten it up and do it the

1:21:03

Jean Vogel style.

1:21:04

Yeah we only kind of talked about

1:21:06

them and didn't really put them right.

1:21:09

We just went chronological and shared thoughts.

1:21:12

So

1:21:13

yeah we definitely got to do that. Well

1:21:15

thanks again Jean. Always good to catch up with you. I'm

1:21:17

sure we'll be talking soon and fuck it's record star day

1:21:19

in a week. So we have something to

1:21:22

banter about. Also Wasp coming to

1:21:24

Minneapolis. We're going to be actually

1:21:27

going to a show together together.

1:21:30

So I'll look forward to that. But yeah let's

1:21:32

get the hell out of here. What do you think? Absolutely. All

1:21:34

right. Rock is not dead. Just having

1:21:36

a conversation with your mother.

1:22:00

Help me, I can show

1:22:02

you what is right Turn

1:22:05

your brain

1:22:08

up, not on my own Swell open, anything

1:22:11

you want to hide Help me, I can show you

1:22:14

what is

1:22:16

right Oh

1:22:48

Thank you

1:22:57

I'd be curious to see how they pull it off,

1:22:59

but

1:23:00

I wouldn't be going there expecting Ozzy's

1:23:03

performance to be noteworthy

1:23:05

Unless it's a complete

1:23:07

train wreck, or

1:23:08

maybe they're going to have like puppeteers up on

1:23:11

the lighting rigs And they're going to kind of move them

1:23:13

around the stage Like a fucking

1:23:15

marionette Yes Now

1:23:18

that I wouldn't pay to see Now we're talking, now

1:23:21

yeah, that's like, you know, because

1:23:23

Elsie's always been the big

1:23:25

advocate of the

1:23:27

hologram But I'm more, you know

1:23:30

what, maybe they can do that with

1:23:32

Mick Mars Get him back in Mount LeCoure,

1:23:35

get someone to

1:23:37

hold the strings and make him look a little

1:23:39

more animated Oh,

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