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are we doing, guys? Everybody good? Are you guys? Pumpkin spice?

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Gentlemen? No, No, I'm not. Can't say that I am

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either. It means I think how many men are pumpkin spice. I don't

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want to gender realize, but it seems like something that Yeah, I mean

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working I get controversy on the podcast burns he's mad about something. I'm mad

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that I apparently had a health scare you guys didn't tell me about behind my

1:07

back. We'll get to that. We'll get to that. We'll get to

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these up, but let's stay on the pumpkin spice deal for a minute.

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I am not My wife used to be big time. I think she's moved

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off a little bit. She's found something that she likes more consistently. But

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I mean, it is dangerous to generalize. But that's what parents spars about.

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We're gonna get right on the edge controversial topics that chips coggins. That's

1:30

entire life. I can't I can't say that I've ever had coffee with a

1:34

dude, and I've said I'd like my large light rose please with a little

1:38

bit of ice because I'm six and it burns my tongue otherwise I gotta let

1:41

it. Have you ever noticed I don't drink this coffee until, like thou well, I think, yeah, I'm like, I have to put ice

1:48

in my soup. It just hurts my mouth. But I've never had you

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know a buddy of mine, Go and I'll have a medium pumpkin spice latte.

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Please. I've never had that happen to me. But maybe I'm wrong. I've never had a cup of coffee. That's right, I remember this.

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I mean, why do we do? But how's he tired? He

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goes to bed at eight fifteen every night? We know why he's not tired.

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You got you're late today? I beat him by about fifteen minutes because, man, I bet that didn't make him feel good. I was in

2:13

the car on the phone. Yeah that's what he says. Yeah, he

2:15

was just late getting in charged charging charging chip, I got the charger in

2:20

the car. No structure, no structure ever for you. How can he

2:23

be tired? He's goes to bed at eight fifteen? Again, I don't

2:27

want to assume. So ten thirty lights out? Phones down? Are you

2:32

charged? Charging? Are you a scroller in bed? Not really good for

2:38

you? Really? That just crushes me. Yeah, that's the point.

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You're charging on the nightstand or out on the kitchen college right next to me. Okay, never know, you never know, you never know what's going

2:52

to happen. You gotta have your phone ready to go, how would you have your phone downstairs? Some people do that too, so they don't scroll.

2:58

Then they'll use an alarm clock to wake up, which I actually think is a decent idea. A lot of people do that with their teenagers.

3:04

So your phones are out in the kitchen, We'll charge them for the next

3:07

day, and then they know that I dropped the ball on that one.

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I'm they've turned out okay. Yeah, they're doing okay. So what do

3:15

we want to start with? You know, we're moments away. We did

3:20

our little pre production meeting and burns. I don't even know how it came

3:23

up burns. He asked, how's your health? I said, I think I'm pretty good. I just asked how you were doing. I've lost I've

3:28

lost a lot of weight in the last few weeks. I'm eating healthy, I'm cleaning it up. I'm the State Fair detox is underway. Been working

3:35

out. I'm sure you can tell the last the last few days. I

3:37

feel fresh. I'm sleeping. Your swollen, as the kids would say, you're looking, I'm trying to get lean. I don't even I've been swollen

3:44

for too long in my life. I'm trying to lean out when you see

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me on the sidelines and chapel hill. I want to go guards. He looks leaner. And Mike Grim's mom, Mike Grim's mom on Saturday actually said

3:54

she's a very blunt critic historically said, Kenzie looks like you've lost a little

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weight. I said, thank you, Missus Grim, I have. And it's nice to have that recognize and I hope, yeah, that's somebody around

4:05

here noticed missus Guard has it. But it's nice that Missus Grim has so.

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But you say, how's your health? And then I find out you

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two apparently we're calling you know you were worried doctor Sheldon Burns, doctor David

4:17

Olsen, doctor Dave Jewison to make sure that I'm okay? What what?

4:23

What point was I not okay? You had the incident? What was that

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in March? Yees six months in March. Yeah, to catch people up.

4:30

I ended up in the emergency room. I thought having a stroke.

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You're trying to do the top five at five and yeah, m I A

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no big deal. I just thought I was having a stroke for two hours.

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It's really not that big. We're trying to make sure you don't get

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to that point in your life again and it was because you had what twenty

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one jobs that you have to do now you're down to twenty. Yeah, it was a tough stretch. It was a tough stretch of bad travel and

4:53

a lot of things going. And you were there in the at the at

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the fair. Right, you're on this preview stuff you got in that you

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might be a little bit susceptible to things like that. So now we have

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to ask. And you know why we asked, because we care. I

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appreciate that. How bad did I look? That's what I want to know.

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You look tired? Well, yeah, it was during the fair and

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there's a lot going on. I can't remember. Was it when we did

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where were we? It was probably the pre Nebraska episode. I think that's

5:20

what it was. And you were expecting to get somewhere and we're like,

5:23

and we just said, I hope he doesn't have another episode, and he's

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just God, we were let's talking behind your check and I'm like, you

5:32

know, horrible, I hope he doesn't have another episode. But let's not

5:36

check with him. We're checking. Let's just hold, let's just leave itself.

5:46

Were these texts? I want to see the text? No person does

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in person? I hope he doesn't have another episode. Maybe I finally have

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my own T shirt. Maybe I finally have my own T shirt here.

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Well, thank you, because we care. I appreciate it. That's the

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that's our view of this. Yeah, because we care. The fair is

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always a little tricky. The first game is always a little tricky. Kids.

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And what's added is my wife is back at work around that time now

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because she's a teacher. So that's probably what it was. But as of

6:15

now, I haven't had another episode. I feel great. If I was

6:19

my phone, I feel like i'd be close to feel like I'm pretty well

6:23

charged, and I'm excited to get to North Carolina this weekend. Yeah,

6:28

we're all going to be going. So what was the next? I hope he doesn't have another episode. Then was like, well, see you later.

6:39

We'll check out. Hope he's here. I mean, can someone else

6:43

hit can someone else hit record if he if he's gonna miss a pot or

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two, Yeah, we'll just leave it up the chip at that point man, all right, Well, yeah, thank you, thanks for your concern,

6:50

and yeah, if you see me in Chapel Hill, just check in

6:56

on me and then maybe maybe do a little follow up so yeah, I'm

6:59

good. I'm good, I feel great. I'm glad that you guys care. I'm glad that you noticed that I was a little tired and let me

7:03

know that, I let me know the next time. Good. I feel

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like I'm getting sleep. Ran three miles today, still will workout yesterday?

7:11

Good. Yeah, I'm trying. You were in three miles jogged. I

7:14

mean running is loose. And we were talking about my running with John Randall

7:17

at the Lifetime Fitness by my house when I was running like five point over

7:21

there. I don't want to make sure he sneaked that on. I don't

7:25

really know John Randall, but I know everybody that does, like we like

7:28

know each other kind of text more than people know. We don't. I may have golfed with them one time at one of the charity deals. Speaking

7:34

of me looking in bad shape. That reminds me when I golfed with Joe's

7:38

Censor and Ed McDaniel in a golf event and Joe Sensor told Ed McDaniel that

7:42

I was a two time state tennis champion. This is like fifteen years ago,

7:45

so how bad it is? And Ed McDaniel was like, when looking

7:49

at me, I'm like, yeah, you know what we call that emotional

7:53

damn. Yeah, I shut it down a little bit ed, all right,

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Sorry Eddie. Yeah, I can't push tires like John Randall. But

7:59

this was like two thousand and six. I mean we're talking like five years

8:03

removed. It's not even like now, did you just go home and sit in a dark room and contemplate life? No, I mean it wasn't like

8:09

it's snuck up on me that I didn't look very good, and now I

8:13

preemptively do it when someone I can tell someone kind of looks at me,

8:16

I go, it was twenty years ago, twenty plus years ago, relaxing. Yeah, yeah, I was seventeen eighteen nineteen. Let's just chill a

8:22

little bit, all right, people wanted to. Some weeks we get right

8:26

to the content. Other weeks we don't. I think mostly because of the

8:30

we're going on tangents here. The football stuff on the Gopher side was pretty

8:33

straightforward. This past weekend. They outlast Eastern Michigan. They dominate Eastern Michigan.

8:39

They run the ball fifty six times I think was the final carry,

8:43

a week after they couldn't run the ball at all against Nebraska. Burnsy Will

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start with you your general reactions to the Gophers and Eastern Michigan. As the

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Gophers go to two and oh on the season and one to oh in the

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Eastern Michigan championship season, Flick wanted to make a point in that game.

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I think all the listeners know RTB stands for row the boat, but it

9:03

also stands for run the ball, And I can tell you at certain points

9:07

last week during practice, maybe it stood for RTFB run the FFing ball.

9:11

Yes, And I think the head coach came out and he said as much

9:15

yesterday in the press conference that he wanted to instill something on his team because,

9:20

yes, Minnesota's still going to throw more this year, but if they can't really get anything going on the ground game, Chipper, it's gonna be

9:26

a long year. Yeah. I mean I wrote that callum. I think

9:31

it's well established my criticism of PG modern of modern offense. But the call

9:37

my road is like, at the risk of sounding you know, two faced

9:43

here, it was the right approach. Like they had to get that running

9:48

game going. They had to me, it's more about just feeling good about

9:52

it and having some confidence about being able to and figuring out all right,

9:54

who's gonna be your guys, what's gonna be your pecking order as you're running

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at your running back room. I think we're starting to see that right with

10:03

Darius Taylor, but more so too, I think that was a clear shot

10:07

to his offensive line that let's go, you need to be more physical and

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this is this is still klick Manus's offense. But you know, forty four

10:18

passes to twenty five runs is not gonna work. I mean, that's just

10:20

at two point two yards for carry's not gonna work. So I was fine

10:24

with it as long as that was an outlier and that was intentional. It

10:26

was just a one game thing to get that. They're not saying they're you

10:31

know, they're gonna go back to throwing at forty four times, but don't

10:35

go back to fleck Bald. You know, circa the last couple of years,

10:39

well a year ago, like November, once Athan started, once he

10:43

started to play, once he brought him back against Nebraska. Obviously after Wisconsin,

10:48

I said that what Athan has shown last season was never should a quarterback

10:52

at Minnesota have a passing line of ten of fifteen for one hundred and seventeen

10:58

yards. Said those days should be over. So I'm exactly with you,

11:03

Chip. It felt like it felt so different than any ten of fifteen that

11:07

we've ever had, like a Tanner Morgan ten of fifteen or a Mitch Leidner

11:11

ten of fifteen or a Chris Traveler one of seven. Because when they needed

11:15

to throw, they just threw it. I mean, Corey Crews would catch it, Daniel Jacks mccatch a Brevin would get a pass interference like they were.

11:20

It didn't stop them from just good. Yeah, they exactly. And

11:24

it looked easy, and it looked like, Okay, this is what we're

11:28

gonna do this game. And so I had, like Burnsy and I talked

11:31

at halftime, and what did I tell you, speaking of mental health job,

11:35

I go down the steps. You know, he's in row one, which makes him mad. He's in row one, and I see him over

11:41

his right shoulder. He's on tweet deck. And what did I say to you, Burnsy? Just leave it alone, Leave it alone, because he's

11:46

arguing with someone who's mad about the offense that they didn't punch it in and

11:50

that they were kicking field goals. And I said, you're not gonna win.

11:54

You're not gonna win this battle at halftime, take a breather, and

11:56

because I had, they were never in any danger of losing that game.

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And it's pretty obvious from what PJ said yesterday, what he said to me

12:05

postgame, and what he did with Darius Taylor, which I don't think I've

12:09

told you guys about. He wanted to run the ball in the end zone.

12:15

He didn't want to throw a fade to Brevin span Ford, he didn't want to do the play to Daniel Jackson. He wanted to run. And

12:20

when he said postgame with me, if I wasn't so stubborn, we probably would have been able to throw that tells me I was trying to make a

12:26

point. Like you said that, I wanted to run the ball. And

12:28

after Kellig Mann has snuck it in on maybe that last touchdown, Darius Taylor,

12:33

who's having an awesome game and we'll talk about him in a minute,

12:35

comes over and Fleck lights him up about we gotta get the ball in the

12:41

end zone. If we're there at the two or the three, we hand

12:43

it to you, get it in the end zone, and I'm cleaning it

12:46

up a little bit. But I thought so that to me was interesting,

12:50

like he wants those guys that he wanted that mentality, and again, they

12:52

were never in any danger of losing the game. So I don't mind knowing

12:56

that you can win throwing the ball, and we know what Athan can do

13:00

that. If you have to figure this thing out, go do it.

13:03

So I had no problems with the offense on Saturday. Long term, I

13:05

didn't either. And it's interesting he's mentioned he mentioned Moe a couple of times

13:11

since the game. He's like, years past, we're getting rest when we

13:13

give the Moi Scort or Seth Green or clearly it was so obvious what PJ

13:20

was doing is like he's trying to instill a mindset and get that side going

13:26

because I think they feel comfortable they can throw the ball right agen, but

13:31

they could not run the ball against Nebraska, And you're just not gonna win

13:37

at a high enough level one Diamentially, you're not gonna do it one way,

13:39

you're not gonna do it the other way. They need both of them, and so I was fine with it. I mean, I understand,

13:46

if you followed this program, you knew exactly what PJ was doing in that

13:50

game, and I was fine with it. They ran eleven plays from the

13:52

Eastern Michigan eleven yard liner closer. Fifteen of them were passes, or excuse

13:58

me, fifteen of them are runs. Three were passes. And that's where

14:00

flex said yesterday that math didn't work out. Fifteen runs. You said eleven,

14:03

and now you just added up eighteen. Can we start over? All?

14:05

Right, let's start over. I thought she took like Calculus three.

14:09

It could cut once against. His elementary school education is failing him. Don't

14:15

hit it? Did you not? Did you not take enough milk? What

14:18

is wrong with your Braine plays eighteen plays essentially from first and goal from the

14:24

ten yard lighting in. Fifteen of them were runs, three or past Yeah,

14:26

that's on purpose, That's what was. I got on the headset and

14:33

Greg would call a pass and it'd be like, nope, in this instance,

14:37

I need to instill something. Yeah, he said that. Yes,

14:39

I asked him about Hitset more and he said no, it was nothing about

14:45

them. But I was in a hitset more than I've ever been. It was like he was saying, this is what I want. Yeah. Well

14:50

it was clearly and I don't blame him. I think it was the right

14:52

thing. Well, because they're still trying to figure out because if in the

14:54

years past, if you gave him of the ball three times on first and

14:58

goal, he was going to score scoring. But you're seeing that Darius Taylor

15:03

is still figuring it out. It's like third year ever playing running back.

15:07

Sean Tyler to me, isn't a goal line back. But if neither one

15:11

of them are proficient near the goal line, and Bryce Williams is out and

15:13

Zach Evans is buried somewhere in the doghouse, like they have a lot to

15:18

figure out there. Even yesterday with the offensive line too, Yeah, I

15:20

mean that's where Fleck came out and said, yeah, we're gonna be playing

15:24

Greg Johnson, the true freshman from Prior Lake, and he will not red

15:26

shirt. Yeah, So it's I think it's interesting that they still do not

15:35

know what they want their offensive line to be in terms of personnel or maybe

15:39

yes, your best five right. Well, that's where I had heard before

15:43

the game on Saturday that Greg Johnson had got a lot of work in practice

15:48

with the starters, and then Fleck ultimately went with the same five. But

15:50

then for him to say what he said on Monday that we're gonna make some

15:54

changes. I think it was a last gasp for some of those older guys

15:58

that are getting their feet wet and if they didn't perform up to the standard,

16:03

which you can go read flex quotes. I mean he was he was

16:06

pretty pointed about it. I don't think he's incredibly happy with those guys up

16:08

front yet that if a true freshman is going to come in and be playing

16:11

now, he's very gifted, But I don't know that I wanted him to

16:15

get his feet wet on the road at North Carolina for the first time.

16:18

But it kind of is what it is. I mean, they do have issues in the red zone, though, now how much of that maybe?

16:23

I mean they had issues against Nebraska, Yeah, I mean different defense,

16:27

better defense. We're going to talk about how they held on for dear life

16:30

as long as they could in Colorado. I mean made it a game.

16:33

So I guess this is my question to you two, if you don't think

16:36

it's a big issue, is how much of it? Because I think that they've scored a touchdown on thirty seven point five percent of their red zone possessions,

16:42

which obviously not very efficient, how much of that is fleck against Eastern

16:48

Michigan being stubborn. How much of that is the offense Nebraska? I always

16:53

said offense Eastern Michigan. I was said, Fleck being stubborn. Yeah,

16:56

and it's too weird. Are you going into North Carolina? It isn't the

17:00

right word, but it bears paying attention to. It's it's like a it's

17:03

a thing like now when they get into the red zone. And by the

17:06

way, I think they will against North Carolina. I watched a little bit of North Carolina against app State earlier today while I was on the treadmill.

17:14

I just feel good. I feel so good, you know, I'm glad.

17:17

I haven't run me even running last time. Last time he ran it

17:22

was into a kayak the night before. Yeah, that's probably the night before

17:26

your wedding. Gonta run a mile since like middle school, it was a

17:30

short sprint. It's it's gonna be a thing to watch now, Okay,

17:34

if it is this PJ and you were being stubborn. Let's see what happens

17:37

against North Carolina. We'll see if Brevan's ready to go and available right,

17:41

and we'll see what you do with Daniel Jackson and Corey used a six seventh

17:47

tight end down there. I mean, I think they're aware of him, like I think they will, especially as Harbow was his position coach last year.

17:55

But again, we have a lot riding on the assumption, and we're

17:59

making an assumption of rational coaching, which is a tough thing to do in

18:03

college and NFL, that they're going to then flip the switch well on Saturday

18:07

against North Carolina because they have to. Yeah, and you know it's PJ

18:14

could afford to be stubborn because of the opponent you have, Joe ROSSI.

18:18

Yeah, and you know you weren't in danger of losing that game right now,

18:22

You're facing a much better team and so let's see, you know,

18:26

more creativity and let's see the balance and let's see a mix of plays,

18:30

and I think they will. I think that was again, I think it

18:33

was just intentional on him saying, you know, because it just stuck with

18:37

me that he's mentioned like two or three times that when we had moved,

18:41

Yeah, we were scoring, we got down there. They want that to

18:45

be an option with this team too, and not just have to pass it

18:48

all the Yeah, they want to figure out who the guy is, which

18:51

back it is that can get the mare I think it's Darius Taylor. I think it's I was. He's a physical specimen. He is powerful. Feel

18:59

the sample sized. No, it's not Sean Tyler. They wanted to be

19:02

Darius Taylor. But that's even where postgame you heard Fleck talk about he hit

19:07

as good as he was, he ran too high, didn't run behind his

19:10

pads. He's got to use his two hundred and fifteen pound frame. I

19:12

would agree that in theory it's it's certainly Darius Taylor. But again it's his

19:18

third year ever playing running back. Yeah, someone who covered him back in

19:21

high school. So he's still got a lot to learn here, which is

19:23

I'm fine with because he looked damn good thing that you're gonna tell people your

19:29

compidence, Well, I said, the way the he hits the hole or

19:33

that the pile just kind of keeps moving and his his body type is like,

19:37

you remind me a lot of and don't you know, but he reminded

19:41

me a lot of Gary Russell, just kind of how that pile just moved with him and he always got yards. I didn't. I didn't know he

19:48

was that powerful, like he really fights hard for yards. But then the

19:52

other thing he took some hits. He uh, you said, a patient

19:56

through the hole, and he would like great footwork and way and until he

20:00

found his spot and then hit it heat. You know, you want to

20:03

see it gets better defenses. But man, he looks like he's got the

20:08

all the things that you heard about as him as a recruit. I mean,

20:11

he's got a running style that compliments Sean Tyler. So where with Sean

20:15

Tyler is very i would say jittery, both in lack of patience but also

20:21

how quickly he can accelerate and get the top speed. Yeah, and then

20:25

you have Darius who's more I'm going to say the word plotting, but he's

20:30

obviously more than a plotter. But he's more patient. Especially again, your

20:33

first true game in college football, getting carries thirty three carries for like one

20:37

hundred and ninety something yards, and he wanted to come out a couple of times and they're like, Nope, you're the guy because the other guy's fumbling.

20:41

We'll talk about him in a second of the problem because Sean Tyler had

20:45

you know, that was the other thing. Burns and I talked about it after I talked him off the Twitter ledge, he said, how how much

20:49

longer does the ball is the program? Let Sean Tyler to keep dropping it,

20:53

because like I think on his first run, first or second run,

20:56

he dropped it on in the next drive of the first quarter again and I

21:02

was thinking the same thing, like, man, that's not not ideal.

21:06

And it took one more and that was the one that Eastern Michigan got and

21:11

his night was done. But not before he ran for I mean, he did some really good things before that. Burnsy he just couldn't hang on to

21:15

the balls five and a half yards to carry ninety three yards on seventeen.

21:19

He's he was efficient and within that It's not like he broke one long one

21:22

and then everything else was short. I mean, it looked a lot better

21:26

for Sean Tyler being able to get in space. But the Paul is the

21:29

program, man, I just can't miss it. I mean, that's where

21:33

I don't cannot miss it. I don't think that flex is gonna penalize him

21:37

too much just because of what the situation is in the running back room.

21:41

I mean, the name of the literal podcast is pair and spare. They do not have a pair and a spare right now. If Darius Taylor and

21:48

you got Sean Tyler's fumble issues. Bryce Williams is hurt, Zach Evans is

21:52

in Narnia somewhere, and then it's like, are you gonna go to Jordan

21:57

Newben has a walk on Tyler Newban's younger brother. I'm not incredibly sure,

22:00

but Fleck, I think if he had more depth in that room, maybe

22:04

Sean Tyler doesn't get as many touches this upcoming Saturday. But I just don't

22:08

think they can go away from him. No you can't. I mean,

22:11

you gotta give another chance. You would hope that a veteran got the message

22:15

right, hold on to the ball right, don't be so loose with it.

22:18

So that was probably his Hey, I'm not kidding here, like Taylor's

22:23

gonna pass you on the depth chart here if this is a problem, right,

22:26

we don't want to give him thirty three carries, but we will if we need to correct. Essentially, is Bryce Williams. We know the severity

22:34

of that. You know. I went back and watched the Nebraska game to

22:37

try and figure it out, and I think the last play that Bryce was

22:40

on the field, he got banked up somehow because he came off tap in

22:42

his helmet kind of looked like he had a little bit of a limp to

22:45

him now watching him in warmups. He also had a little bit of a

22:49

limp to him on Saturday, so I don't know what that means for his

22:52

availability. I think I'm also worried about Brevin. I was gonna ask,

22:56

what do we know about that? You know nothing? I mean, even

22:59

Fleck yesterday, Cody Lindenberg questionable, maybe iffable, iffable. I mean,

23:04

I'm optimistic that Cody plays this weekend. I mean Joe Rossi said last week

23:08

he was in correct. So it's a game time decision going into Saturday's LEA.

23:12

He probably could buy him another week, and that's what they need to

23:15

do because that North Carolina offense, as much talk as Drake may gets,

23:19

that running game has been incredible for them. Busical back who took one like

23:25

sixty three. He's really good. Yeah, And that's where if you're gonna

23:29

make a ward out of anything defensively from Minnesota right now. Stopping the run

23:33

has been a little bit different this year than compared to the last couple of

23:37

years. Ah Samson Evans six point six yards a carry. Jeff Simms was

23:41

again the quarterback run is what's gotten him a little bit. Yeah, and

23:45

that's where Drake may can extend places with his legs. But even Joe Rossi

23:48

in the Eastern Michigan game, why did Fleck do what he did? Because

23:52

Eastern Michigan had four total yards in the second half, right first down.

23:56

Because Joe Rossi's one of the best in college football as second half adjustments scifically,

24:00

that's how Minnesota has won nine games each of the last three full seasons.

24:03

Their second half adjustments have always been so good. Like last year,

24:07

in the third quarter they were plus sixty points compared to their opponents because of

24:12

how good adjustments have been for Flecking staff. Ten zero was the third quarter

24:17

score this past weekend against Eastern Michigan. And it was interesting at halftime when

24:22

I asked PJ about the defense, and I think Eastern Michigan had just gotten

24:26

their second field goal drive and just so we got to calm down. Yeah,

24:30

we just gotta calm down. We're all over the place, we're doing

24:32

these things. We got to calm down. Which I appreciate his candor, because you guys know how halftime interviews came. PJA never really gives a boring

24:37

one, thank god. But I thought that was, you know, on

24:41

the way out, saying, we got to calm them down. We'll tweak

24:44

a couple of things, but guys just need to chill for a minute. Well it was weird, Like I just felt like their linebackers were kind of

24:52

skittish, that's what he was talking. Yes, they were very jittery,

24:56

especially Yahelegue. I mean there was a run towards their sidelight where it's like,

25:00

yeah, if he just doesn't stop his feed, it's fourth and four

25:03

and they don't end up getting a Yeah, it's a whole. So that's

25:06

where hopefully Lindeberg coming back. But that was also the Kyler ball game. Yeah, he could have had four sacks if not wiped two wiped out by

25:12

penalties, another one wiped out. But he hits the quarterbacks arms, it's

25:15

coming forward. He's got a motor. He yeah, he gets after it.

25:19

I mean that's where I remember talking to the new defensive line coach Wentston

25:23

delighted Budir in the spring, and he was like the thing with Kyler Boss,

25:27

he's already one hundred percent. So every day or energy and effort I'm

25:30

telling you got to get the one on nine, one, one, ten.

25:33

But that's the thing from game one game when you got edge pressure with

25:37

John Joyner, Dalen Logan running, Danny Striggo. Game two you had Kyler

25:41

bad even I think Devin Eastern. Yeah, he had thirty year kid from

25:45

Chokolpe. Did he have a sack or he had a pressure? He had,

25:48

yeah, and he had I think he was consistently getting penetration in the

25:52

backfield. Yeah, So you're hoping that in game three against one of the

25:55

best quarterbacks in college football, that those two things can a pair together where

26:00

the interior can compliment the end and you can get some pressure on one of

26:03

the best quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean Bob just I mean how hard he

26:07

plays. Yep, that jumps out two sacks. But it just like he

26:14

seemed like he was always in the backfield. You know, he just just

26:19

really plays hard, which is impressive. And if they can do that now

26:25

of a sudden, you know, that opens up Joe Rossi's creativity and different

26:30

things he can do. So I I you know what, one touchdown in

26:33

two games, I don't care who you play any college football and it was

26:37

a play yeah, yeah, essentially stopped playing. Yeah, it works,

26:42

all right, So we'll put Eastern Michigan to bed. I'm gonna have some

26:45

of this coffee, which is outstandingly lukewarm. It's perfect for me, burns.

26:48

I want you to know, I'm also a guy who cannot drink things

26:52

hot, like my wife makes fun of me to the point where she's like,

26:55

it's cold. At this point, it's not. It's not a preference, it's a necessity. That's is exactly how I view it. It burns

27:02

my mouth. It burns my mouth, which I wish. I wish you

27:04

walked in here right now and you could tell her that's there's someone else on

27:07

this planet because you thinks I'm insane. No, someday, Well, the

27:10

next time I see her, I'll bring it up again. I'll bring it up with her. All right, Well, pause here, we'll come back.

27:15

We'll talk about the Gophers and North Carolina. Quick time out to talk

27:19

about our friends at Jack's Cafe. Second year that the great people at Jack's

27:23

Cafe have decided to jump on with the Parent of Spare podcast Bill also two

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for two in terms of turning Parent of Spare listeners into Gopher ticket holders without

27:33

standing parking as well. We appreciate Jack's Cafe taking care of the parent of

27:37

Spare Squad got a nice tweet from the guys that took in the game there

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Yeah, I'll be taking my family there here in a few weeks for a nice little dinner. But the nice thing about Jack's is you can make

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going to go there for a Saturday or Sunday brunch, whether you want to go there for a Tuesday Wednesday dinner, or whatever it may be. In

28:22

Chip's favorite part, obviously the free and ample parking in northeast Minneapolis. So

28:26

whether you you're going there for the atmosphere, how simple it is to make

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reservations or parking chipper Jack's Cafe. Was that the winning answer? The parking,

28:34

I think it was, Yeah, yes, yes. I want to

28:37

give a shout out the Bill. I mean, obviously the restaurant's grade, food service, everything about it. But for Bill to give away two tickets

28:45

really good and parking and great tickets and parking by the stadium just tells you

28:49

what a Friendius is podcast and what a great guy he is. Ninety years

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Jack's Cafe has been a Minneapolis institution, and they've got a great new website

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and I'm just okay, And you just look how happy the people are that are sitting here. They look so happy. Dude in Patagonia is cutting a

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out the menu for when they're open, or the website for when they're open

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as well. Jack's Cafe jax Cafe dot com. Well, it's the game,

29:34

guys, that once was scheduled and then the Gophers paid eight hundred thousand

29:40

dollars to get out of it. In the Jerry Kill era, Jerry of

29:44

course had nothing to do with that, as he said multiple times, I

29:47

had nothing to do with that. I don't make the schedule, and poor Norwood Tigue and I only say that in this occasion for poor Norwood Teague was

29:53

left holding the bag saying I did it because he wanted me too. But

29:59

we got it back the North Carolina game. We're supposed to have it, like eight years ago. Somebody down there said let's let's fire up that old

30:06

rivalry again. So the Gophers are heading to Chapel Hill this Saturday, and

30:10

all of us are going to be there. Yes, the parent of spare is going on the road burns. He's burning us on Friday night. He's

30:15

got the family. You two are more than welcome to go to a local

30:18

tavern ducks fly together. Yeah, but hey, you gotta get chipp in

30:22

bed. I mean, he's got a bedtime. Well, that's that's why.

30:25

I mean, yeah, do you nine, so eleven thirty eastern,

30:30

that's when you'll go to that. It's plenty of time to hit the town.

30:32

Eleven thirty eastern. It's a two thirty central kick, have a couple

30:36

of triple hazies. You got a little bit of time there. I've got

30:38

TV earlier in the morning. So that is that's that's times model. It's

30:44

at times modified my nightlife depending on where we're going or the night before.

30:48

But the parent of Spare Squad is coming, is going to Chapel So if

30:52

you're get together, yeah, if you're rolling around, if you're hanging around

30:55

Chapel Hill on Friday night, tweet at us, come find us. We'll be around. I know the Go for Radio crew has a dinner somewhere and

31:02

then we'll just be spilling around Chapel Hill and seeing you know, we're Michael

31:06

Jordan and Dean Smith and you know all these guys. I was Kenny Smith

31:11

and I'm going on the list, Sam Perkins, Antoine Jamison, this is

31:14

yours. I worked there during Max's first Mac Brown's first stint. I used

31:18

to work in North Carolina cover games there in the late nineteen nineties and great

31:23

place to go watch a game. I'm excited. I've never been there.

31:26

I can't imagine until North Carolina joins the Big Ten we're ever going to go

31:30

back. But what do we know about these tar Heels Burnsey. They're very

31:34

explosive on offense, and they're led by one of the best quarterbacks in the

31:37

country and Drake May It doesn't sound like they're all world receiver who's been the

31:42

topic of conversation with NC doublea ineligibility versus eligibility with Waivers. Tess Walker is

31:48

going to play in this game, even though I think he's filing like a

31:51

lawsuit. Yeah, they're still working on it, And honestly, I don't

31:55

blame him because this one we don't have to spend a ton of time on

31:57

it. But I know you have to draw the line somewhere with all these

32:00

transfers and all these things, but this one seems it's a tough beat for

32:04

this kid who committed somewhere, never played there because of COVID transferred to Kent

32:08

State. His coach then Lee used to go be with coach Prime transfers to

32:13

North Carolina and they said nope, to transfer is not going to work,

32:16

and the rule kind of changed too, even after he committed to North Carolina.

32:20

That's a tough l I don't blame them for being ridiculous. Yeah,

32:24

Mac has every right to be angry about his statement, essentially lighting on fire.

32:30

Shame on you, NCAA, shame on you. Very pointed. So

32:34

anyway, he's not gonna play Tess Walker. They also have a wide receiver

32:37

who's pretty good who's been injured. Correct, Do they expect he's going to

32:39

be back? I think there's optimism there. They got a couple of tight

32:42

ends that are really gifted. But the thing that worries me as much as

32:45

it is Drake May, who is probably the best quarterback they faced since it's

32:52

been a couple of years. I mean, they're gonna face some really good

32:54

ones this year between Drake May, J. J. McCarthy, Kyle mccordy

33:00

at Ohio State, and then you've obviously got the transfers all across the Big

33:02

Ten West. But their running game is really good. Omari and Hampton twenty

33:07

six carries, two hundred and thirty four yards, three touchdown Saturday against Appalachian

33:10

State. It's incredibly explosive. It's incredibly efficient. Minnesota's run defense has looked

33:16

fine, it hasn't looked elite like we've seen in recent years. Now they're

33:21

going to be very much tested on Saturday. But I think the name of

33:23

the game for this entire if Minnesota is going to have a shot, which

33:27

I think they're a touchdown underdog, is explosive place both limiting Drake May and

33:32

that North Carolina offense and then offensively. I asked PG about it yesterday.

33:37

That was funny, Yeah, he was. He was thrilled about that.

33:39

How do you get more explosive place? Get more explosive? It's like,

33:44

well, which you know you wouldn't be asking me that last year, but we changed from twenty to twenty five yards? Did you know that? I'm

33:50

well aware? Why do you think I asked the question, Oh, I

33:52

didn't know. I don't know. I didn't know. If you knew that they changed their qualifications. I don't think he knew that I knew. But

33:58

the point regardless is the chess matches well. For the amount of times I

34:02

come into a press conference with someone now from whether it's a coordinator or a

34:07

fleck, I mean, you remember the Charlie Sheen incident. Yeah, I

34:09

wasn't there for it, but I even Joe Rossie walks into the press conference

34:14

last Wednesday, he takes two steps in the room, looks at me, and he goes, oh Burns, this here, shocked never usually comes if

34:20

it's not on Zoe. I'm like, what did I do to deserve this level of Okay, I'm getting I'm getting sidetracked because I'm thinking about the Northwestern

34:28

in that we're saving that for the For Minnesota's offense, it's generating these explosives.

34:32

I don't think they have a single play over twenty five yards via passing

34:37

or running right now. Now they're in the they've got to I think five

34:39

between twenty and twenty five. But you gotta be more explosive if you're gonna

34:45

be able to keep up with the Well, i mean first game they didn't

34:50

even really try, right, I mean they didn't throw the ball down the

34:52

field that much. It was all short and intermediate. Obviously last week they

34:57

just said I think that's a start to Yeah, last week, you take

35:01

three shots and well that's what they as gonna say the past in affairs calls.

35:06

If you complete those gonna beat So maybe this is, you know, maybe this is the week where we see the more see that game plan that

35:13

we saw against Wisconsin where they took shots down the field. I will say, in watching the first half or so of app the Appalachian State game,

35:20

I haven't watched the South Carolina game yet, I intend to. I think

35:24

the Gophers will be able to do whatever they choose to do defensively or offensively

35:30

against North Carolina. Shots were there for Appalachian State. Applelachian State ran the

35:35

ball really well, five yards of carry against North Carolina. They had like

35:39

nine sacks against South Carolina. We know what that was about. The chain

35:43

gang guy was eating a hot dog and that was why South Carolina could.

35:46

I told all the chan guys about that. By the way, they loved

35:49

it. They hadn't seen it sometime, like, well, you guys aren't paying attention, like I'm worried about you. But so I think this to

35:55

me, I think the Gophers can do what they want to do in games

36:00

like this, which is what PJ wants to do. Control the clock, limit the possessions. They just have to score touchdowns because I do think North

36:07

Carolina obviously can do both. I mean, they ran the ball so well,

36:10

three hundred nineteen yards rushing. That's a lot when you have a guy

36:15

who's to be a first round pick at quarterback. If you can run the ball like that, and you're gonna have probably this number two overall pick next

36:20

spring. And they take they took some shots too, they didn't hit on very many, but like they're one of those offenses. Just for my untrained

36:27

eye, it's like we're gonna do some stuff, but like you're always on

36:30

edge, like is this the time they're gonna go deep and try to catch you in something? So all hands are gonna have to be on deck there.

36:35

But just watching the North Carolina defense, like I think, I think

36:39

the Gophers can kind of do what they want to keep the game where they

36:44

need it to not have to worry about scoring forty Yeah. I mean, and Joe Rossie always says comes on that he thinks explosive plays is the most

36:52

important stat in football. Yeah, And who am I to disagree with jor Rossi if he says that, I agree with him. Yeah, And it

36:57

makes sense because if he said, you look at the statistics when they you

37:00

know, when you get exposed to plays you're going to score most times.

37:05

So what's what it comes down to is Rossi's defense hasn't allowed twenty or more

37:09

points in their last eight games where I think North Carolina has scored, and

37:14

they're gonna be one of the most explosive offenses they play all year. That's

37:17

certainly going to be put to the test. But explosive plays and turnovers.

37:21

I mean, if Minnesota loses the ball twice, I have a hard time

37:24

believing that they're gonna win a football game, especially on the road against a

37:28

ranked opponent. But offense has got to generate explosive plays to guards these point.

37:34

You allowed nearly five hundred yards of total offense to app State last week

37:37

at home. I think Minnesota is going to be able to be efficient. But then the red zone. Two. When you get into the red zone,

37:43

yep, you're gonna have to hit at a much higher clip than the thirty seven percent which they've been I'm excited to see. I haven't been this

37:51

excited for a Joe Rossi matchup since Mike Sanford versus Joe. What's the T

37:57

shirt? I can't because he was in the podcasting game out in Boise.

38:02

Yeah, that's what he's He was at the Boulder game the other day because

38:06

he still lives there. They don't didn't move the family, Mike Sandford, the old OC that we're talking about. But I am excited to see what

38:13

Joe Rossi has cooked up for this very good. Like this is a hell

38:15

of a test. This is a hell of a test, and I'm excited

38:19

about it. There's gonna be a ton of going for fans there. It's gonna be fun. Don't you think Lindenberg's back? Yes, I think Lindenberg's

38:23

back. I'm hopeful that span Ford is all right now again five minutes down

38:29

on the field and then another fifteen to twenty time in the tent, which

38:34

we'll see. And if he's not there, I know there's been a lot

38:36

of fans who aren't happy with his usage through two games. Sure, but

38:40

you still need him out there. He's such a mismatch nightmare. So there's

38:45

hopeful. I'm hopeful he'll be back. But I do think if Minnesota is

38:49

going to win this game as a touchdown underdog, you're gonna have to score

38:52

at least twenty eight points because I think Rossi is obviously gonna limit them ideally,

38:58

But I still think North Carolina is going to score twenty five, twenty

39:00

eight, Yeah, thirty one points potentially. You would think so because they're

39:04

just I mean, they've got a lot, They've got a lot, a

39:06

lot. I mean, that's a good team. They can beat you a couple of weeks. It's a good offense. If it's like thirteen points,

39:12

then don't you just after the game double Joe Rossi's salary and say, by

39:16

the way, we've also announced that we now pay him two million dollars and

39:21

we're not paying him a million. Here, your guy, interim president,

39:24

Jeff Hettinger, the little Hormel guy they've offered spam, is kicking in another

39:30

million. Rossi got an extra one hundred and fifty thousand after this game.

39:34

And it's two million dollars now for Joe Rossie because then then he's like in

39:37

Jim Leonard territory and all your guys that you like, all your defensive coordinators,

39:42

Phil Parkers face flush. It was anything else we want to talk about

39:45

Gopher related before we pivot the last handful of minutes and talk about some other

39:49

stuff. I'm still upset about the Northwestern We're gonna we're waiting on that.

39:52

Just you just asked what that's going for golfers north All right, we'll get

39:58

to it. I see his anger. It was announce so stupid. What

40:01

Burns he's talking about? Because I I'm trying to go one to oh in

40:05

the North Carolina Podcast championship season, I'm not looking ahead of Northwestern, which

40:08

is next Saturday. The Gophers and Northwestern on Monday. You know, two

40:14

weeks out is typically when the Big Ten announces the TV times will be a

40:17

six thirty PM kick from venerable Ryan Field. Ridiculous in Evanston, Illinois.

40:24

Ridiculous and of all the PHAs to set Ryan Burns his thirty one year old

40:30

Times five self. He's now he's scratching his beard, He's got his hands

40:36

over his face. You're not happy with the six thirty. Why don't you

40:39

want to see wildcat football under the lights? He's having a built down.

40:43

You tweet him like, when I saw the game times come out, it's

40:47

ridiculous. There's a there's only one game at eleven AM and there's four at

40:52

six thirty. That's ridiculous. TV partners have other ideas in the afternoon.

40:57

Who's the big noon game. It's Rutgers versus Michigan. Okay, so Michigan

41:01

gets the entire time slats of themselves and then Minnesota's in there with three other

41:06

games. But who is clamoring for Northwestern under the lights? Like the Big

41:14

ten network? He stop it, there's there's another game on Big ten Network

41:17

at that same exact It's ridiculous, like you're telling me you couldn't have had

41:22

three games at eleven, say two at two thirty and then two or three.

41:27

It's personal or professional, it's bolt's financial. I already tell the real

41:30

reason that you're mad. So and we're going to talk about this. Stop

41:35

it. Tell the real reason you're mad that it's a six thirty. You

41:37

do hotel reservation like two days before, non refundable for Friday night, thinking

41:46

there's not a shot. This thing isn't at eleven am. You've been saying

41:51

forever it's going to be an eleven because who's clamoring for Northwestern under the how

41:57

many fans are going to be there? Four thousand, probably more than would

41:59

be there at eleven. YEA, their homework's done for the night. Yeah,

42:04

they got their Saturday studies done and maybe they walk over, they see

42:07

the lights and go, what's over there? Is there a concert? And then they walk over and that they see it's football, and maybe they want

42:12

to watch three night games in the first four weeks Michigan. So I'm you

42:19

just don't want to go. No, I'm going regardless. But now I

42:22

don't want to go Friday night. What's the point to have it just in

42:27

Chicago all day? In Chicago? Evanston's a nice little town. I yeah,

42:35

get on the purple line. You're just saying that because your lovely daughter lives. I know it's not Oakdale, but that's right. Here's lots of

42:44

unpack here, all right. See. Now, I also got to fly

42:46

out Sunday morning. Sunday is the big word day. He's also mad about

42:51

that. He wanted to He wanted to want to come back home and he

42:57

can't do that now. So you were going to fly out Saturday, right,

43:00

Yeah, take the last flight out because you'd be doing. Let's let's

43:02

get a nineteenerary him for Friday and let's write it out to him, like

43:07

you know what time is? Do you have your Are you a museum guy?

43:13

I can't. I mean, what's the museum. Oh, I don't think he's a museum guys. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna don't

43:19

think he's a guy. I'm not ripping him for it. I'm just that's

43:22

my observation. That's my observation. He's not a runner because running along the

43:29

lakes. That's true. Okay, so that's true. So the night games

43:35

are Iowa Penn State CBS, that's the light out, Ohio State, Notre

43:38

Dame NBC. That's a big one. And what's the fourth one? Because

43:43

you meant six thirty? I saw it on the tweet. Is it Indiana

43:45

and Akron or Nebraska? In a lot tech? Either way, you're on

43:49

BT. It's just why didn't they put this game? Get in priced?

43:52

By the way, Memorial Stadium, Illinois, Florida Atlantic that day is three

43:57

dollars if you want to go watch the dollars According to ESPN, how about

44:01

Wisconsin to Purdue to get in prices twenty that's a Friday night game on FS

44:06

one. We're jumping ahead, but I gotta ask you about something in the

44:10

year of twenty twenty three, how are you stuck with a non refundable hotel?

44:16

What are you doing. I know I'm gonna have to call today,

44:19

which I hate calling you. Try Millennium. You tried to save eight dollars

44:22

on the buy it now? Just I mean any hotel I've booked recently.

44:28

We're in the We're all about flexibility and COVID and you can cancel anything and

44:31

get your money back to save nine dollars and twelve cents? Did you get

44:36

the nonrefundable bit? What don't you look at me like a disappointed father.

44:46

Well, that's a good place to stay in because there's most like two hotels

44:50

and evans. Yes, but it's not a place where you need to do like a like some of these college towns. You want to go to Penn

44:54

State, it's like a two week minimum and there's four hundred dollars a night.

45:00

I haven't and these guys don't even know there's a football game going on. So that's where would you be more? Would you be more amenable if

45:07

you knew you had an easy refundable hotel? I mean yes, But now

45:12

I got a call and say, hey, can you move me? I don't like calling. I'm a millennial. I don't explaining the situation. Yeah,

45:16

you don't need to do anything. Just keep yes, just go,

45:22

just keep the rum booking extra night, try the second hotel in Chicago.

45:28

I thought about that, but it's not a good date day night. It'd

45:31

be better if it was a two thirty or an eleven and then your wife's

45:35

there, then you have the night this because I thought about that briefly for

45:37

a second too, but it's that's not gonna work. I mean, my

45:40

wife grew up in Kenosha. Going to Chicago is nothing for her. It

45:44

has no value. She could have done that. She did that the first eighteen years of her life, what she wanted to do. Maybe she can

45:50

give you some tips on how you can kill the time that you're now so mad that you have to kill. We can hang out if you want to

45:54

go, have lunch and everything. You're not going anymore. You that on

45:59

us about yeah, no past his bedtime. I mean he can't do before

46:06

the time came out. He can't do too many night games. We know that. But I think you're most mad that you can't fly home Saturday.

46:13

Yes, and your room. Somehow, you're the one guy in the last

46:17

five years that has booked and non refundable. You're gonna make me. Look,

46:22

I don't have to pull this up. I'm pretty sure it's nonrefundable, which is why I'm also well, if it was. If it's not,

46:27

then you've completely overreacted. So I don't think there's either way. It's you've

46:30

completely mangled this situation. Either it's nonrefundable, which is stupid because you should

46:36

things change? Are you? Did you change your flight already? He doesn't

46:40

have his flight there yet, he had any flights? Well, mister organized,

46:45

now he's stressed. Chimp would have had this book, you know, January one, twenty twenty three. Yeah, I do that. I don't

46:53

know what I'm doing for Northwestern yet. Yeah, it's like two bucks.

47:00

It's not that much. Yeah, that's The flights of Chicago right now are pretty reasonable. So you're gonna be okay there. Maybe that will help soften

47:06

the blow of this nonrefundable room, I think. So if you get your

47:09

money back, you're gonna fly Saturday. You know. I'm gonna do a

47:15

little correction here. I just pulled up the reservation says I can modify it.

47:17

So this whole thing, well, let's see, let's do a lot.

47:21

I'm not gonna do this lot. We're gonna do a lit on the podcast. We don't have a ton else to talk to. I mean,

47:25

melt Tucker is suspended. That's interesting. That's just nothing but trouble. Do

47:30

you think that's going to be a good job eventually when it opens up on I think their first college should be PJ. Fleck. That's what I would

47:37

do if it was Michigan State. His name is not anywhere, but that's

47:40

what I would do if I were them. Make him say no to come

47:43

in to bring in his wife home. She wore any she went to the

47:46

Michigan State Western Michigan Game War, Michigan State stuff stories well documented. She'd

47:51

have but I mean, I'd hate it. But they need a guy that's going to provide a little bit of stability, cultural sustainability, not get yourself

47:57

in trouble. That's why I bring some order to that. I don't want

48:00

that, obviously, but that's what I would do. All right, Burns, he's modifying his reservation here. You can do it. So what are

48:07

you mad about? I don't know. Just now you're even no, I

48:10

look stupid. That's what I'm meaning about. Now you're you look you are

48:15

literally somehow the oldest person on this podcast because you are incorrectly mad about something

48:21

that you like. I'm still don't have all the details. I'm not furious

48:24

like I was, but I'm still upset that, like in the way this

48:28

was also put to me because I asked some people, why the heck is

48:30

this game at six thirty. It's the only shot that Northwestern had of getting

48:35

a night game unless it was November, and we all know the Big Tens.

48:37

I remember the night policy where the opposing team has to agree to it.

48:42

They're never going to do that Northwestern, right, So this was the

48:45

only chance they had to get a to get a night game. I have

48:47

no problem. I mean, it's the same price for me to just change

48:52

it from Friday Saturday. It's from Saturday Sunday. Oh, you were only

48:55

one day, so now you're gonna fly in Saturday morning. Yeah, okay,

49:00

like you were about delays. Okay, it's a flight to Chicago.

49:05

Well what I always do because I have to worry about him. If I'm

49:09

doing day of I do like the first one, and then if if it

49:13

goes pear shaped, I can drop and still get there. Yeah six hours.

49:15

If something happened, Yeah, so you'll take a morning flight and then

49:20

I'll take like a neon flight home on Sunday so I can do go for

49:22

football Sunday. Thank you for your contributions, and I'm really sorry that you

49:27

had to go through all of this. I was just sorry we had to

49:30

go through the listener. It is probably just like this guy. You had

49:34

me nervous. Well, I still I still have you nervous because I haven't

49:37

number one book to flight and the fact that I'm flying in day of God

49:40

gives that biggest battles to his bravest soldiers. So I'm glad that we were

49:46

on my shoulders every single day as opposed to you guys just wondering if I

49:50

was going to be okay and never saying anything. I thought, let's get

49:54

this out in the open. You're missing the larger point here is that we

49:58

care, but right, but you can't get pass on the whole Northwestern you

50:04

looked that bad. We truly would have said something that day. You just

50:07

looked tired, which I've also learned it wasn't so bad. We're like,

50:10

yeah, we need an intervention, like we're gonna set you down. We're

50:13

not going to do the scale A one to ten, four, four,

50:17

and you didn't say anything. I was actually go say six, but yeah,

50:22

what's the what's the right line today? To me? A six or

50:27

seven? I would have said nine. I would have said something, I set you down. Well, which what you guys are talking about two different

50:30

numbers? Well his numbers are oh okay? Yeah. If it would have

50:36

thought I was a six, you thought five, five? I thought you

50:38

were a four on the way to ten. Yes, if I would have

50:43

thought you were a six, I would have said something to you that day.

50:45

Number one. I don't know about your ranking scale number two. I'm

50:49

which, what's the right number then? For so I know for myself,

50:52

like as I look at myself and go my four or five or six? Well ten is this was a PA spares the spars out. Haven't you sat

51:02

through enough eleven o'clock kicks? In Evanston? I love eleven o'clock, twelve

51:07

eleven o'clock kicks. Look, but we've done that enough. There, we

51:10

know what that is. Let's try something different. Is this the longest a

51:14

Go For football team has gone into the season before an eleven am game,

51:16

which will be Louisiana from Ocoming, But the fifth game of the season is

51:22

the first time they get an eleven am kick, much to your chagrin,

51:27

I like eleven am. I thank you. It's because Chip and I are

51:30

the same person. He's I can't believe. I'm like angry and mad.

51:36

He's become became a fifth year old, I know, like more than more and it's like not understanding technology, not like it's amazing. I'm only have

51:43

to walk in through. He's been married less than a year and he's already

51:46

the old married guy. It's crazy. You gotta relax. I'm sweating.

51:51

You gotta relax. I got so upset, I'm sweating. All right, let's talk about some other things. Sorry you all had to go through that,

51:57

but we there's some things you need to address. You just need to

52:00

get out of the way. So justin looking tired and me not understanding how

52:04

to modify a reservation, Chip looking looks You've given me. Look. I

52:12

may have only been married now nine months, but I know what a look

52:15

looks like, and you give me. Yes, you've given me a few

52:17

of those. All right, melt Tucker. It was just a couple of

52:22

years ago. Tuck is coming, says it all. I mean, really,

52:30

it's an unfortunate double meaning. Now you can google the details if you

52:34

want, but that's what they were saying. Tuck is coming, and now

52:37

he's going because he's been suspended with pay Don't be mad at me, don't

52:42

laugh at me. It's wasn't my phrase, guys, wasn't my phrase.

52:46

I didn't make it have a second meaning. But melt Tucker, the ninety

52:50

five million dollars coach at Michigan State, this isn't funny. The serious conversation

52:58

is now suspended because is depending on who you believe. If you believe him,

53:02

he had a consensual, long distance, appropriate phone conversation relationship with Brenda

53:10

Tracy, who is a sexual violence advocate, sexual assault survivor who goes around

53:17

and talks to you know, all kinds of groups, but certainly football programs

53:21

about her experience and how to first of all, be on the lookout for

53:25

him, not do it. The impact that all that has, and you

53:30

can again google all the details, and if you're a college football fan, you already know most of them. But if you listen to her side,

53:36

it's one thing. Mel Tucker, after being suspended now is completely firing back

53:42

and even if you want to believe his side, put himself in a ridiculously

53:45

stupid situation irresponsibly, and now he's probably gonna watch seventy eighty million dollars just

53:53

burn into flames and will probably never coach again. If you believe what he's

53:59

saying it, I think you put it like a long, long statement, which Brenda fired back at him last night, about when you're in the position

54:06

that he's in, that every football coach and you know America, especially Power

54:13

five and the visibility, and you don't put yourself in those positions. It's

54:19

incredibly stupid. I mean, he's gonna light I believe his buyout, it's

54:22

seventy five million dollars. He's gonna light all of that on fire, more

54:27

than likely. And I think the hearing is gonna be October fifth and six,

54:30

And that's where Brenda Tracy said last night on the Twitter machine. I'll

54:34

be there, Yeah, I'll be taking the stand. I'll be open for

54:37

cross examination, and I hope you do the same. Yeah, which that sounds there's no chance he keeps his job at zero, which especially at that

54:45

school, it's amazing. They just it just keeps happening, whether it's Larry

54:51

Nasser or whether it's what was going on with D'Antonio, Like, it's ridiculous,

54:55

it's ridiculous. Seventy five million dollars. He is going to light into

55:00

the ether on fire because he was trying to think of how to make this

55:07

family friendly. We can't. Again, if you know the details, yes,

55:12

if you're listening to this pod, you know the details because you're a

55:14

college football fan. I mean, it's just we don't need to say anything that's gonna get ourselves in trouble. No, it's bad, it's not appropriate.

55:22

He was he was marrying right, however much he described it. And

55:24

people's personal lives are their personalized whatever. But an egregious lack of judgment,

55:30

just a bone headed just so stupid. And that's at its best, Yeah,

55:36

at its worst, it's exactly what Brenda Tracy is describing. It's traumatizing,

55:39

it's triggering, it's harassment. It's even to his team, Uh as

55:46

well. Yeah, and we'll have more time to talk about this. Who

55:51

actually I haven't thought. Who's who's taking over his head coach Harlan Barnett and

55:54

then Mark D'Antonio is now a special assistant to the program. Is that official

56:00

now, I believe trying to But if and when that job becomes open,

56:04

I'll have plenty of time to talk about it the rest of the season.

56:07

That is a good job, especially with divisions going away. They have two

56:10

very prominent boosters in that program, one being the Rocket mortgage guy they have.

56:15

It's a great it's a great job, especially with the recruiting base.

56:22

I mean, I think that would be one where, well, it's going

56:25

to get some attention and it's not like the program is going to hit hit

56:30

with sanctions where you lose a bunch of scarships. So it's like the structure

56:34

is going to be The other note I want to put in here to get

56:37

your opinion on is if you are a player at Michigan State right now,

56:40

so if and when melt Tucker gets fired on fifth or the sixth, well

56:45

once number one, once that happens, you have thirty days then to hit

56:49

the portal and you can transfer. But the more the thing I want to

56:52

stress, I guess maybe from a Minnesota standpoint, how many players after four

56:58

games just stop playing to preserve their red shirt knowing that if, if and

57:01

when Tucker gets fired, they can remain get that extra year of eligibility back.

57:07

Yeah, I mean there might be some. I always think about the there's so many factors are going to you know, because the new guy is

57:15

gonna want hit like school, do you like do you have a girlfriend there? Do you like your classes? How far are you? You know,

57:19

there's all kinds of things. I mean, you're a starter, You're gonna

57:21

go somewhere else where you you know. It's I'm sure they'll probably be some,

57:24

but I don't know that it's going to be some big mass exodus.

57:29

It's certainly to me gonna be interested in following October because Minnesota. I think

57:32

Minnesota plays them last weekend of October, which my birthday. Probably Tucker will

57:37

be fired by then. And how many players are still going to be how

57:43

many hit the portal, how many don't? What does it look like?

57:45

It's certainly gonna be a talking point going into it, so we'll continue to

57:49

follow that. I know some people were wondering what man Michigan State didn't really

57:52

do anything until this USA Today report outlined anything. From what I understand,

57:57

Michigan State athletics knew nothing. They did not know that what I read if

58:00

that's true. But because it was a Title nine investigation, which is supposed

58:07

to, by design, I think, remain relatively discreet obviously for witness intimidation

58:14

and people that are involved in all those things. I don't know it well enough to know, but maybe they knew there was an investigation, but they

58:21

didn't know exactly what stint of it, what was entailed. Obviously melt Tuckers

58:23

had to meet with this committee at time or two, so he obviously knew

58:27

what was coming down. But this the lid was kept because it does Michigan

58:30

State no good to cover this up given what they've been dealing with correctly.

58:34

So yeah, so I do want to try to give them the benefit of

58:37

the doubt a little bit on that that. I think, by design, the Title nine office is supposed to remain completely independent from everything, and everything

58:45

is supposed to be under wraps. I read a tweet somewhere, and that's not to say it's acre, but but I think I did read that UH

58:52

school officials were not aware of the contents of this right and then once they

58:55

read it, they said, well, this guy can't be coaching for us

58:59

right now, and that's why he's not seventy five million dollars because you're thinking

59:04

with the wronghead. Yeah, exactly right. Let's spin around the Big ten

59:07

quickly. Certainly the Big Ten West. Wisconsin takes an all at Washington State,

59:10

and it wasn't particularly close. I know they made a game of it

59:13

a little bit. You guys were watching it up in the press box. I was checking in on the score at halftime and things. But what did

59:19

we see from the Badgers out there against the coops? I said it from

59:22

week one. I just I'm not I don't see it with this quarterback.

59:27

Wisconsin's good. They shouldn't have been anointed. I think we all said that

59:32

it shouldn't have been annointed. Laziness, laziness, laziness. Big ten media

59:37

that that doesn't even look at the West and national media who just want,

59:42

you know, knows that Barry Alvarez in the Rose Ball Hall of Fame.

59:45

I mean, that's a look better in the second half. The run,

59:49

but thirty one points and they couldn't run the football. That was the other

59:52

thing. Malucy and Brayland Allen go wild in game one against Buffalo. They

59:57

were held in check in game two on the road at Washington State in Iowa

1:00:00

against Iowa State. There's another Iowa Iowa State game. Another pick six for

1:00:05

the hot guys right where I was. Offense, still so much talk that

1:00:09

Again, I feel bad to an extent for Kaid McNamara, the Iowa quarterback,

1:00:13

because he's clearly not at one hundred percent and I don't think he will

1:00:15

be at one hundred percent at any point this season with that, but I

1:00:19

assume I think it's a quad injury. Okay, but they're not good on

1:00:23

offense. Still, they'll the formula hasn't changed and they're two in l Yeah,

1:00:30

I mean, and the West still goes through Iowa. Yeah, yeah, yes, even more so now that we've seen with st I thought that

1:00:36

before the season. Yeah, Iowa was the team to be given their schedule

1:00:40

and given what they have and given what they are. Coach Prime, you

1:00:47

and I walked in together, Chipper with the voice of the Gophers Mike Grim

1:00:51

as we were walking into the game, and I on Saturday, I'm obsessed

1:00:55

with what's happening in Boulder. Like I love everyone, College of Falling.

1:01:00

I just I love when a dormant fan base because I've seen it. You

1:01:05

know, it was Minnesota for example, like just you know, having the

1:01:07

Penn State game and everything that happened with nineteen. But like when something just

1:01:13

doesn't come out of nowhere because everybody was excited about Dion being there and curious,

1:01:17

but when it's worked out so well, so quickly, and they've got

1:01:22

a lot more games to play, including in a couple of weeks, Like

1:01:24

I just work in us even before the end of the Yeah, I just

1:01:28

think it's so fun to see that Stadi impact and know what that city's about.

1:01:31

And for me, somehow, I'm just so romantic about the mountains.

1:01:36

I just can't what a time that must be for everybody out there right now.

1:01:40

Brewster. Yeah, the people have been in that campus understand like that

1:01:44

is a fun place to be and now you have this, you know,

1:01:47

whirlwind that just has hit this campus. And I mean, the thing is,

1:01:52

I think that we've all seen the first two weeks. He brought a

1:01:57

lot of talent with him. The thing that the only thing that bothers me

1:02:00

about that whole thing is everybody. I feel like there's too much talk about

1:02:05

how Shadur Sanders and Travis Hunter weren't good players because they went to Jackson State

1:02:09

like Travis Hunter was the number one recruiting the entire Sanders was a four star

1:02:15

quarterback that had offers from everybody in the SEC. Like, these are really

1:02:20

good players. I think Sanders tremendous. Yeah, he's great. Seneca Wallace.

1:02:22

Yeah, Where will Colorado finish in the recruiting rankings next spring? Top

1:02:31

twenty, February Top twenty, top ten? That's that's a tough par I

1:02:37

mean, I think because you think of the the Georgias and the Alabama's and

1:02:40

the House States and the but if you're somewhere in the world you're just paying

1:02:45

attention to that, they're taking notice. I mean there they are. I

1:02:50

mean, top twenty for Colorado is a weight recruiting class in year one?

1:02:52

Well, how do they judge it? Now, Bernsie, because I'm thinking

1:02:55

how many more transfers are they going to get? Yeah, I'm not even

1:02:59

think about the high school kids. Well, that's the thing for Deon is how many high school kids do you take versus Well? I wonder what he'll

1:03:05

do though, I wonder what will this be his emo? Like I'm just

1:03:07

taking transfers or is he going to really be a hard Well, I think

1:03:12

given that he's making it work with like seventy new guys. He's not going

1:03:15

to be worried about. I can imagine the five stars he could get. But also when the coach is a bigger star than you, and he doesn't

1:03:22

mean he's got a security guard that's wearing the shirts that says, f around

1:03:27

and find out. So wait see that. Yeah, his halftime interview with

1:03:32

Jenny Taft, he's got two of his own security guys. And I was

1:03:36

talking to Mark McElroy, you know pj's guy, and I said, did

1:03:38

you see deon security guy? And he goes no. I said, he's

1:03:40

wearing his shirts that says f around and find out. And Officer Mark he's

1:03:45

got like full police gear out. I mean he's got the body cam and

1:03:47

the guns and the taser. I mean he's got everything. And I'm like,

1:03:51

that's what all of this says. Like when I see you and your

1:03:53

vest, Dion's guy just cuts right through it and puts it on the shirt,

1:03:58

F around and find out. Like I think, I mean, if

1:04:01

if a DNS point would be if if Travis it was good enough for Travis

1:04:04

Hunter, Dude, it's good enough for you. Yeah, Like so I don't think he needs to worry about it. I mean, I don't think

1:04:09

he needs to worry about players running the program, which sometimes they do when

1:04:14

they're talented. No, no, no, no, I'm not talking about I'm saying, like top twenty is really good. Yeah, No, I'm

1:04:18

just saying, uh, is he gonna be Is he gonna hit high school

1:04:23

recruiting really hard and try to go get right? I would say, person,

1:04:27

he's been transfers. I think that's the thing he's trying to figure out.

1:04:30

The other thing in this that the thing needs to be talked about is Sean Lewis, the former Kent State head coach. The offensive courts the way

1:04:36

he's been able to get on the same page with Sanders through the first two

1:04:41

weeks, to really get that thing humming. I mean Sanders, like,

1:04:45

like I said, it's tremendous. I mean, he is a top ten quarterback in college football through the first two weeks. Certainly there was a play

1:04:50

early in the second half because Nebraska really hung in. I mean, their

1:04:54

quarterback is awful, their offense is obviously not good. Their defense gave them

1:05:00

every opportunity to try to do something, and I think that color is how

1:05:03

I feel a little bit about the Gopher game as well. Yeah, but

1:05:06

there was a play in the I think early third quarter where Nebraska dials up

1:05:11

a perfect blitz. It's like a third down in seven or third it might

1:05:15

even longer, and Sanders gets out of it, scrambles, tells Hunter to

1:05:20

go, Yeah, grows thirty five yards, a guy is in good coverage,

1:05:26

Hunter catches it, and you're just like, yeah, when you have

1:05:29

a good quarterback and the best player on the field, Because people are gonna wonder, well, how how long can they keep this up? When they

1:05:33

play USC you see in Oregon and all these schools. I have no idea

1:05:36

if they'll win, but I know when you have a good quarterback and the

1:05:40

best player on the field, you've got a chance. Like just right there

1:05:45

and you've got a chance. Uh yeah, because I mean Hunters just crazy

1:05:48

good. And they were even even able to take some snaps off him in

1:05:53

the second half there, especially the way he's going two ways. You mentioned

1:05:56

Nebraska. How much are Nebraska fans thinking, how did rule and trust this

1:06:02

offense with a guy who can't pass. I can't pass, he can't hang

1:06:06

out of the football. I mean, he lost two. I mean he

1:06:12

fumbled back, missed a handoff through another pick. He can't stop turning the

1:06:15

ball over. And that's where he's trying. The thing that if I was

1:06:19

a Nebraska fan I struggle with is Rule is trying to sell PJ. Fleck

1:06:25

Year zero. But Nebraska fans see it the same way we do. Where

1:06:30

this team is talented. Yeah, this team can win games, especially defensively.

1:06:34

It's your quarterback who has eight turnovers and eight quarters. That is the

1:06:39

reason why you are where you are. I mean that's the I guess the

1:06:44

vibe I've gotten from them is that Rules trying to has been talking all week

1:06:47

about selling this year zero thing, but no one's buying it because of how

1:06:50

good I mean you think about it. Sam's cost him this game. They

1:06:56

go over game he did right cost him and I don't know if you know

1:07:00

tarnovers. Yeah, I think Colorado is probably still better than him. But I mean their defense was on the field like one hundred plays. Yeah it

1:07:06

was. He's just gonna get You're get worn down, especially at altitude.

1:07:10

Yeah, but anything else we need to discuss. Guys. I'm glad that

1:07:15

you can change your hotel. How about your Jayhawks. Yeah, that's the

1:07:18

quarterbacks good. That's when I talk about creative system that that coach lighthold.

1:07:24

Jalen Daniels is special. He's good. He's he's good. He is I

1:07:27

mean, we'll talk about extending plays with sanders like Jalen Daniels. I mean

1:07:31

that Illinois team also has a lot to figure out. Yeah, that was

1:07:36

your sneaky team Burns. Yeah, they're it's like Johnny Newton on their defensive

1:07:41

line and then Keith Randolph is m i A. The rest of that front

1:07:44

seven can't figure out how to generate pressure. It's yeah, they get Kansas

1:07:48

handled him pretty well. Yeah, that team Illinois defense also has to lead

1:07:53

college football and extracurricular activities. And really, they're down. I haven't seen

1:07:59

my three touchdowns in the second half, and they are. They get hit

1:08:02

with like two unsportsman lights because they're John I'm thinking myself, what are you

1:08:08

doing? Like you can jaw, but you're down three touchdowns and it's because

1:08:12

of you on defense? Like what are we even talking about here? Yeah?

1:08:16

Your guy Jimmy Sabrowski though, yeah, I mean he's I think it's

1:08:19

fun stepped out to me the first couple of weeks. They're a lot of

1:08:25

really good quarterbacks in college football this year. Yeah, a lot exciting.

1:08:27

Welcome to the portal exciting. Yeah. And the Gophers get to see you

1:08:30

one on Saturday, and we'll see you all there. We will be there.

1:08:32

We will see you all there. Your hotel situation good for Chapel Hill.

1:08:36

Yeah, it flights, books, everything's good. Thanks again for checking

1:08:43

into my health. Appreciate that you guys have felt skinny legend justin I feel

1:08:47

great. I feel I felt good for worries for me. Yeah. Now

1:08:50

emotionally, I'm all I can think about. What you know? Is Ed

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McDaniel just causing you significant emotional Damn? No, I had none. I

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just I always remember the face that he made like that doesn't add up.

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And I said, I know Ed. It was a different time. It

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was a different pushing in the chair that means we gotta go, We gotta

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go, He's gotta go. I start your day a hundred percent. Always

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book nonrefundable rooms. If there's one thing we can do, save yourself some

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banks is twenty twenty three. You don't need to save eight dollars because you

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think your plans are set in Stone. Things can always change. Thirty kickoff.

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If you remember anything from today, book refundable rooms that you can change

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until like midnight, the day before you're supposed to check in. Hotels are

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fine with that. That's the lesson. Thanks to Jack's Cafe Jaxcafe dot com

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appreciate their support. Hope they still support us after this episode. But if

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listening. Everybody, tell a friend, Subscribe, leave a rating, leave

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a review, and we'll talk to you next week on the Pair in a Spare podcast